Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro

[Daniel Kerr]

Yeh I have a very large and exact/precise folder structure for clients, 
suppliers, other folders.  All with Mail going back for years. 
The structure all stayed and works very well. :)

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 4s (possibly dictated)

---
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MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>

** For Everything Apple **

On 25/10/2011, at 9:38 AM, Michael Hawkins  
wrote:

> My added wrinkle is that I've been trying to move from Entourage to
> Outlook (as in Office 2011) and now to Mail. I put my faith in MicroSoft
> for the transition from Entourage to Outlook. I've found that Entourage
> was much easier to use than Outlook for things such as setting up folders
> so emails would be "filed" where they belong.
> 
> Call me old fashioned but I find it much easier to try and arrange
> correspondence as if it is letters kept in a file for a client (new file
> for each matter) with the files stored in a filing cabinet.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ronda Brown 
> Reply-To: WAMUG Mailing List 
> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 06:11:46 +0800
> To: WAMUG Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and
> MacBook Pro
> 
>> Hey Daniel,
>> 
>> How many years have I been saying you should move from Entourage to Apple
>> Mail? ;-)
>> Did it take Apple Mail in Lion to finally convince you to?
>> 
>> Mail, Address Book & iCal all work beautifully together ... All generic
>> Apple Applications!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 24/10/2011, at 10:15 PM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>> 
>>>> How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac
>>> 
>>> Step 1. Export everything from Entourage.
>>> Step 2. Import Everything into Apple Mail, Address Book, iCal.
>>> Step 3. Live happy in the knowledge that it all just works better (and
>>> syncs better), and is easier to keep updated across one set of Apps,
>>> then the other. :)
>>> Step 4. Live happy in the knowledge that Time Machine backups for Apple
>>> work sooo much better then Entourage with it's "one file for everything"
>>> file system (especially when things fall over).
>>> 
>>> Honestly,...I can say that Mail, Address Book and iCal all work better
>>> the Entourage did.
>>> And this is coming from someone that used Entourage since Office 2004
>>> and before that Eudora. It took me a bit to move from Eudora to
>>> Entourage and it took me a bit to move from Entourage to Apple Mail. but
>>> I wouldn't go back now!  (I was running both Entourage 2004 and Mail for
>>> the last 6 months getting used to it. Twice the work to look after both,
>>> but I could see the little things that needed "adjusted" and things that
>>> worked better or how to work them  better. Plus I'm pedantic with
>>> getting it right the first time :o)
>>> 
>>> All my folders came across, everything stayed intact. I know only have
>>> to look after Address Book and iCal (where as before I was doing both
>>> Address Book, iCal and Entourage's Address Book because sometimes the
>>> syncing "fell over",...and when you have to go out to do a 9 hour job
>>> for a client to fix their fallen over Entourage Database problems,..you
>>> start to realise how bad a program it really is underneath.)
>>> Plus Mail, Address Book and iCal sync so much nicer with iDevices.
>>> 
>>> Sorry,...I couldn't resist :))
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Kerr
>>> MacWizardry
>>> 
>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>> Email: 
>>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> **For everything Macintosh**
>>> 
>>> On 24/10/2011, at 10:05 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>> 
>>>> How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> <http://connectedhq.com/blog/2011/05/24/how-to-sync-iphone-address-book-
>>>> and-microsoft-entourage-for-mac/>
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ronni
>>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>>>> 
>>>> On 24/10/2011, at 8:51 PM, "michael.hawkins"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Ronni, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I

Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Lloyd

It is possible to get Outlook 2011 back to a format that Mail recognises but 
it's quite complicated and requires other paid software. 
I've done it for clients and got it to work no problems :)

I've gotta have some tricks that keep me in a job :) lol :)

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 4s (possibly dictated)

---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>

** For Everything Apple **

On 25/10/2011, at 9:48 AM, Lloyd White  wrote:

> Hi Daniel,
> 
> If only there were a way to export from Outlook (part of Office for Mac
> 2011) in a form that Mail would recognise and import.
> Currently it only recognises Entourage which I dumped this year. To get it
> back I would have to reinstall Office 2008 (I think).
> 
> Lloyd
> 
> 
> 
> On 24/10/11 10:15 PM, "Daniel Kerr"  wrote:
> 
>>> How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac
>> 
>> Step 1. Export everything from Entourage.
>> Step 2. Import Everything into Apple Mail, Address Book, iCal.
>> Step 3. Live happy in the knowledge that it all just works better (and
>> syncs better), and is easier to keep updated across one set of Apps, then
>> the other. :)
>> Step 4. Live happy in the knowledge that Time Machine backups for Apple
>> work sooo much better then Entourage with it's "one file for everything"
>> file system (especially when things fall over).
>> 
>> Honestly,...I can say that Mail, Address Book and iCal all work better
>> the Entourage did.
>> And this is coming from someone that used Entourage since Office 2004 and
>> before that Eudora. It took me a bit to move from Eudora to Entourage and
>> it took me a bit to move from Entourage to Apple Mail. but I wouldn't go
>> back now!  (I was running both Entourage 2004 and Mail for the last 6
>> months getting used to it. Twice the work to look after both, but I could
>> see the little things that needed "adjusted" and things that worked
>> better or how to work them  better. Plus I'm pedantic with getting it
>> right the first time :o)
>> 
>> All my folders came across, everything stayed intact. I know only have to
>> look after Address Book and iCal (where as before I was doing both
>> Address Book, iCal and Entourage's Address Book because sometimes the
>> syncing "fell over",...and when you have to go out to do a 9 hour job for
>> a client to fix their fallen over Entourage Database problems,..you start
>> to realise how bad a program it really is underneath.)
>> Plus Mail, Address Book and iCal sync so much nicer with iDevices.
>> 
>> Sorry,...I couldn't resist :))
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>> 
>> 
>> **For everything Macintosh**
>> 
>> On 24/10/2011, at 10:05 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Michael,
>>> 
>>> How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <http://connectedhq.com/blog/2011/05/24/how-to-sync-iphone-address-book-a
>>> nd-microsoft-entourage-for-mac/>
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>>> 
>>> On 24/10/2011, at 8:51 PM, "michael.hawkins"
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks Ronni, 
>>>> 
>>>> I think at this stage I'll simply make sure that calendar entries are
>>>> the same on the iPhone and on the computer, and, after a while, have a
>>>> go at mastering contacts on the phone and contacts on the computer. As
>>>> far as that goes, I haven't been able to resolve conflicts between
>>>> Address Book and Entourage and Address Book and Outlook so I suspect
>>>> it'll be a while before I attempt to do that between devices.
>>>> 
>>>> It all started going wrong some years ago when I used Mark/Space and
>>>> lost silent numbers that were listed on my phone but weren't in
>>>> contacts in Entourage, or in Address Book.
>>>> 
>>>> Although I have Pages for iOS, I'll continue to lug my laptop home
>>>> rather than attempt to use my iPhone ofr word processing.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks again, your help is invaluable.
>>>> 
>>>> Michael.
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Ronda Brown&

Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro

[Lloyd White]

Hi Daniel,

If only there were a way to export from Outlook (part of Office for Mac
2011) in a form that Mail would recognise and import.
Currently it only recognises Entourage which I dumped this year. To get it
back I would have to reinstall Office 2008 (I think).

Lloyd



On 24/10/11 10:15 PM, "Daniel Kerr"  wrote:

>> How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac
>
>Step 1. Export everything from Entourage.
>Step 2. Import Everything into Apple Mail, Address Book, iCal.
>Step 3. Live happy in the knowledge that it all just works better (and
>syncs better), and is easier to keep updated across one set of Apps, then
>the other. :)
>Step 4. Live happy in the knowledge that Time Machine backups for Apple
>work sooo much better then Entourage with it's "one file for everything"
>file system (especially when things fall over).
>
>Honestly,...I can say that Mail, Address Book and iCal all work better
>the Entourage did.
>And this is coming from someone that used Entourage since Office 2004 and
>before that Eudora. It took me a bit to move from Eudora to Entourage and
>it took me a bit to move from Entourage to Apple Mail. but I wouldn't go
>back now!  (I was running both Entourage 2004 and Mail for the last 6
>months getting used to it. Twice the work to look after both, but I could
>see the little things that needed "adjusted" and things that worked
>better or how to work them  better. Plus I'm pedantic with getting it
>right the first time :o)
>
>All my folders came across, everything stayed intact. I know only have to
>look after Address Book and iCal (where as before I was doing both
>Address Book, iCal and Entourage's Address Book because sometimes the
>syncing "fell over",...and when you have to go out to do a 9 hour job for
>a client to fix their fallen over Entourage Database problems,..you start
>to realise how bad a program it really is underneath.)
>Plus Mail, Address Book and iCal sync so much nicer with iDevices.
>
>Sorry,...I couldn't resist :))
>
>Kind regards
>Daniel
>---
>Daniel Kerr
>MacWizardry
>
>Phone: 0414 795 960
>Email: 
>Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>
>
>**For everything Macintosh**
>
>On 24/10/2011, at 10:05 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael,
>> 
>> How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac
>> 
>> 
>><http://connectedhq.com/blog/2011/05/24/how-to-sync-iphone-address-book-a
>>nd-microsoft-entourage-for-mac/>
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 24/10/2011, at 8:51 PM, "michael.hawkins"
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Ronni, 
>>> 
>>> I think at this stage I'll simply make sure that calendar entries are
>>>the same on the iPhone and on the computer, and, after a while, have a
>>>go at mastering contacts on the phone and contacts on the computer. As
>>>far as that goes, I haven't been able to resolve conflicts between
>>>Address Book and Entourage and Address Book and Outlook so I suspect
>>>it'll be a while before I attempt to do that between devices.
>>> 
>>> It all started going wrong some years ago when I used Mark/Space and
>>>lost silent numbers that were listed on my phone but weren't in
>>>contacts in Entourage, or in Address Book.
>>> 
>>> Although I have Pages for iOS, I'll continue to lug my laptop home
>>>rather than attempt to use my iPhone ofr word processing.
>>> 
>>> Thanks again, your help is invaluable.
>>> 
>>> Michael.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Ronda Brown" 
>>> To: wamug@wamug.org.au
>>> Sent: Monday, 24 October, 2011 4:24:40 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing /
>>>Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi
>>> Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S
>>>and MacBook Pro
>>> 
>>> Hi Michael,
>>> 
>>> On 24/10/2011, at 10:48 AM, Michael Hawkins wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Ronni,
>>>> 
>>>> My first concern with iCloud is whether or not I can control what is
>>>>sent
>>>> to and stored on iCloud.
>>> 
>>> I personally, don’t sync ‘Documents & Data’. I have iWork on my Mac,
>>>but I don’t have iWork for iOS (Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers
>>>for iOS), so I can’t see a reason why I would use this feature.
>>> At the moment I also don’t have ‘Photo Stream’ selected in System
>>>Preferences > iCloud.
>>> 

Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro

[Michael Hawkins]

My added wrinkle is that I've been trying to move from Entourage to
Outlook (as in Office 2011) and now to Mail. I put my faith in MicroSoft
for the transition from Entourage to Outlook. I've found that Entourage
was much easier to use than Outlook for things such as setting up folders
so emails would be "filed" where they belong.

Call me old fashioned but I find it much easier to try and arrange
correspondence as if it is letters kept in a file for a client (new file
for each matter) with the files stored in a filing cabinet.

Regards,

Michael.

-Original Message-
From: Ronda Brown 
Reply-To: WAMUG Mailing List 
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 06:11:46 +0800
To: WAMUG Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and
MacBook Pro

>Hey Daniel,
>
>How many years have I been saying you should move from Entourage to Apple
>Mail? ;-)
>Did it take Apple Mail in Lion to finally convince you to?
>
>Mail, Address Book & iCal all work beautifully together ... All generic
>Apple Applications!
>
>Cheers,
>Ronni
>Sent from Ronni's iPad
>
>On 24/10/2011, at 10:15 PM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>
>>> How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac
>> 
>> Step 1. Export everything from Entourage.
>> Step 2. Import Everything into Apple Mail, Address Book, iCal.
>> Step 3. Live happy in the knowledge that it all just works better (and
>>syncs better), and is easier to keep updated across one set of Apps,
>>then the other. :)
>> Step 4. Live happy in the knowledge that Time Machine backups for Apple
>>work sooo much better then Entourage with it's "one file for everything"
>>file system (especially when things fall over).
>> 
>> Honestly,...I can say that Mail, Address Book and iCal all work better
>>the Entourage did.
>> And this is coming from someone that used Entourage since Office 2004
>>and before that Eudora. It took me a bit to move from Eudora to
>>Entourage and it took me a bit to move from Entourage to Apple Mail. but
>>I wouldn't go back now!  (I was running both Entourage 2004 and Mail for
>>the last 6 months getting used to it. Twice the work to look after both,
>>but I could see the little things that needed "adjusted" and things that
>>worked better or how to work them  better. Plus I'm pedantic with
>>getting it right the first time :o)
>> 
>> All my folders came across, everything stayed intact. I know only have
>>to look after Address Book and iCal (where as before I was doing both
>>Address Book, iCal and Entourage's Address Book because sometimes the
>>syncing "fell over",...and when you have to go out to do a 9 hour job
>>for a client to fix their fallen over Entourage Database problems,..you
>>start to realise how bad a program it really is underneath.)
>> Plus Mail, Address Book and iCal sync so much nicer with iDevices.
>> 
>> Sorry,...I couldn't resist :))
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>> 
>> 
>> **For everything Macintosh**
>> 
>> On 24/10/2011, at 10:05 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Michael,
>>> 
>>> How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac
>>> 
>>> 
>>><http://connectedhq.com/blog/2011/05/24/how-to-sync-iphone-address-book-
>>>and-microsoft-entourage-for-mac/>
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>>> 
>>> On 24/10/2011, at 8:51 PM, "michael.hawkins"
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks Ronni, 
>>>> 
>>>> I think at this stage I'll simply make sure that calendar entries are
>>>>the same on the iPhone and on the computer, and, after a while, have a
>>>>go at mastering contacts on the phone and contacts on the computer. As
>>>>far as that goes, I haven't been able to resolve conflicts between
>>>>Address Book and Entourage and Address Book and Outlook so I suspect
>>>>it'll be a while before I attempt to do that between devices.
>>>> 
>>>> It all started going wrong some years ago when I used Mark/Space and
>>>>lost silent numbers that were listed on my phone but weren't in
>>>>contacts in Entourage, or in Address Book.
>>>> 
>>>> Although I have Pages for iOS, I'll continue to lug my laptop home
>>>>rather than attempt to use my iP

Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro

[Daniel Kerr]

ar as 
>>>> that goes, I haven't been able to resolve conflicts between Address Book 
>>>> and Entourage and Address Book and Outlook so I suspect it'll be a while 
>>>> before I attempt to do that between devices.
>>>> 
>>>> It all started going wrong some years ago when I used Mark/Space and lost 
>>>> silent numbers that were listed on my phone but weren't in contacts in 
>>>> Entourage, or in Address Book.
>>>> 
>>>> Although I have Pages for iOS, I'll continue to lug my laptop home rather 
>>>> than attempt to use my iPhone ofr word processing.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks again, your help is invaluable.
>>>> 
>>>> Michael.
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Ronda Brown" 
>>>> To: wamug@wamug.org.au
>>>> Sent: Monday, 24 October, 2011 4:24:40 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / 
>>>> Hong Kong / Urumqi
>>>> Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and 
>>>> MacBook Pro
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>> 
>>>> On 24/10/2011, at 10:48 AM, Michael Hawkins wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Ronni,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My first concern with iCloud is whether or not I can control what is sent
>>>>> to and stored on iCloud.
>>>> 
>>>> I personally, don’t sync ‘Documents & Data’. I have iWork on my Mac, but I 
>>>> don’t have iWork for iOS (Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for 
>>>> iOS), so I can’t see a reason why I would use this feature.
>>>> At the moment I also don’t have ‘Photo Stream’ selected in System 
>>>> Preferences > iCloud.
>>>> 
>>>> Also on my iPad & iPhone I have iCloud Backup OFF:   Settings > iCloud > 
>>>> Storage & Backup - iCloud Backup is OFF
>>>> I backup on my computer, and of course I have a good Backup Strategy 
>>>> backing up my computers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In other words, if when using Pages I save a document to a specified
>>>>> folder on my MacBook, will that document be automatically sent to and
>>>>> saved on iCloud?
>>>> 
>>>> Do you have the iWork for iCloud apps? ( Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, 
>>>> Numbers for iOS)
>>>> The way I read the documentation, you have to physically drag and drop any 
>>>> iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document from your computer into one of the 
>>>> iWork apps on icloud.com, as explained below under “Documents in the 
>>>> Cloud”.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I would not want that to happen. I want to choose what I send to iCloud,
>>>>> as I prefer to have information about matters I'm working on kept on a
>>>>> computer which is kept under lock and key in my office rather than on a
>>>>> server located who-knows-where, and potentially accessible by any-one with
>>>>> hacking skills.
>>>> 
>>>> iCloud is for iDevices … iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch.
>>>> 
>>>> All that goes to iCloud is data already on your iDevice ( iPhone, iPad) 
>>>> and new documents created in iCloud capable apps such as iWork apps. 
>>>> iCloud is only going to sync iDevices, not the computer. 
>>>> 
>>>> All that is synced from on your computer would be data contained in iTunes 
>>>> such as your Address Book, iCal, Mail, Safari bookmarks, reminders, Notes.
>>>> 
>>>> Michael, I don’t wish to sound rude or sarcastic, but have you read all 
>>>> the Apple Documentation for iCloud?
>>>> I have enough trouble getting my head around all the documentation re 
>>>> iCloud & Apple’s Security & Privacy, but you are in the profession that 
>>>> understands all the ‘fine print’.
>>>> 
>>>> <http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/documents.html>
>>>> /Quote:
>>>> "Documents in the Cloud. And on your Mac or PC.
>>>> iCloud makes it easy to move Pages, Keynote, and Numbers documents between 
>>>> your computer and your iOS devices.
>>>>   Just sign in to icloud.com/iwork in any modern web browser, and all 
>>>> your iWork for iOS documents will be there — complete with your most 
>>>> recent edits. Click a document to download it in iWo

Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro

[Ronda Brown]

Hey Daniel,

How many years have I been saying you should move from Entourage to Apple Mail? 
;-)
Did it take Apple Mail in Lion to finally convince you to?

Mail, Address Book & iCal all work beautifully together ... All generic Apple 
Applications!

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 24/10/2011, at 10:15 PM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:

>> How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac
> 
> Step 1. Export everything from Entourage.
> Step 2. Import Everything into Apple Mail, Address Book, iCal.
> Step 3. Live happy in the knowledge that it all just works better (and syncs 
> better), and is easier to keep updated across one set of Apps, then the 
> other. :)
> Step 4. Live happy in the knowledge that Time Machine backups for Apple work 
> sooo much better then Entourage with it's "one file for everything" file 
> system (especially when things fall over).
> 
> Honestly,...I can say that Mail, Address Book and iCal all work better the 
> Entourage did.
> And this is coming from someone that used Entourage since Office 2004 and 
> before that Eudora. It took me a bit to move from Eudora to Entourage and it 
> took me a bit to move from Entourage to Apple Mail. but I wouldn't go back 
> now!  (I was running both Entourage 2004 and Mail for the last 6 months 
> getting used to it. Twice the work to look after both, but I could see the 
> little things that needed "adjusted" and things that worked better or how to 
> work them  better. Plus I'm pedantic with getting it right the first time :o)
> 
> All my folders came across, everything stayed intact. I know only have to 
> look after Address Book and iCal (where as before I was doing both Address 
> Book, iCal and Entourage's Address Book because sometimes the syncing "fell 
> over",...and when you have to go out to do a 9 hour job for a client to fix 
> their fallen over Entourage Database problems,..you start to realise how bad 
> a program it really is underneath.)
> Plus Mail, Address Book and iCal sync so much nicer with iDevices.
> 
> Sorry,...I couldn't resist :))
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
> 
> 
> **For everything Macintosh**
> 
> On 24/10/2011, at 10:05 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Michael,
>> 
>> How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac
>> 
>> <http://connectedhq.com/blog/2011/05/24/how-to-sync-iphone-address-book-and-microsoft-entourage-for-mac/>
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 24/10/2011, at 8:51 PM, "michael.hawkins" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Ronni, 
>>> 
>>> I think at this stage I'll simply make sure that calendar entries are the 
>>> same on the iPhone and on the computer, and, after a while, have a go at 
>>> mastering contacts on the phone and contacts on the computer. As far as 
>>> that goes, I haven't been able to resolve conflicts between Address Book 
>>> and Entourage and Address Book and Outlook so I suspect it'll be a while 
>>> before I attempt to do that between devices.
>>> 
>>> It all started going wrong some years ago when I used Mark/Space and lost 
>>> silent numbers that were listed on my phone but weren't in contacts in 
>>> Entourage, or in Address Book.
>>> 
>>> Although I have Pages for iOS, I'll continue to lug my laptop home rather 
>>> than attempt to use my iPhone ofr word processing.
>>> 
>>> Thanks again, your help is invaluable.
>>> 
>>> Michael.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Ronda Brown" 
>>> To: wamug@wamug.org.au
>>> Sent: Monday, 24 October, 2011 4:24:40 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / 
>>> Hong Kong / Urumqi
>>> Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and 
>>> MacBook Pro
>>> 
>>> Hi Michael,
>>> 
>>> On 24/10/2011, at 10:48 AM, Michael Hawkins wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Ronni,
>>>> 
>>>> My first concern with iCloud is whether or not I can control what is sent
>>>> to and stored on iCloud.
>>> 
>>> I personally, don’t sync ‘Documents & Data’. I have iWork on my Mac, but I 
>>> don’t have iWork for iOS (Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS), 
>>> so I can’t see a reason why I would use this feature.
>>> At the moment I also don’t have ‘Photo Stream’ sel

Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro

[Daniel Kerr]

> How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac

Step 1. Export everything from Entourage.
Step 2. Import Everything into Apple Mail, Address Book, iCal.
Step 3. Live happy in the knowledge that it all just works better (and syncs 
better), and is easier to keep updated across one set of Apps, then the other. 
:)
Step 4. Live happy in the knowledge that Time Machine backups for Apple work 
sooo much better then Entourage with it's "one file for everything" file system 
(especially when things fall over).

Honestly,...I can say that Mail, Address Book and iCal all work better the 
Entourage did.
And this is coming from someone that used Entourage since Office 2004 and 
before that Eudora. It took me a bit to move from Eudora to Entourage and it 
took me a bit to move from Entourage to Apple Mail. but I wouldn't go back now! 
 (I was running both Entourage 2004 and Mail for the last 6 months getting used 
to it. Twice the work to look after both, but I could see the little things 
that needed "adjusted" and things that worked better or how to work them  
better. Plus I'm pedantic with getting it right the first time :o)

All my folders came across, everything stayed intact. I know only have to look 
after Address Book and iCal (where as before I was doing both Address Book, 
iCal and Entourage's Address Book because sometimes the syncing "fell 
over",...and when you have to go out to do a 9 hour job for a client to fix 
their fallen over Entourage Database problems,..you start to realise how bad a 
program it really is underneath.)
Plus Mail, Address Book and iCal sync so much nicer with iDevices.

Sorry,...I couldn't resist :))

Kind regards
Daniel
---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>


**For everything Macintosh**

On 24/10/2011, at 10:05 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Michael,
> 
> How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac
> 
> <http://connectedhq.com/blog/2011/05/24/how-to-sync-iphone-address-book-and-microsoft-entourage-for-mac/>
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 24/10/2011, at 8:51 PM, "michael.hawkins" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Ronni, 
>> 
>> I think at this stage I'll simply make sure that calendar entries are the 
>> same on the iPhone and on the computer, and, after a while, have a go at 
>> mastering contacts on the phone and contacts on the computer. As far as that 
>> goes, I haven't been able to resolve conflicts between Address Book and 
>> Entourage and Address Book and Outlook so I suspect it'll be a while before 
>> I attempt to do that between devices.
>> 
>> It all started going wrong some years ago when I used Mark/Space and lost 
>> silent numbers that were listed on my phone but weren't in contacts in 
>> Entourage, or in Address Book.
>> 
>> Although I have Pages for iOS, I'll continue to lug my laptop home rather 
>> than attempt to use my iPhone ofr word processing.
>> 
>> Thanks again, your help is invaluable.
>> 
>> Michael.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Ronda Brown" 
>> To: wamug@wamug.org.au
>> Sent: Monday, 24 October, 2011 4:24:40 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / 
>> Hong Kong / Urumqi
>> Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and 
>> MacBook Pro
>> 
>> Hi Michael,
>> 
>> On 24/10/2011, at 10:48 AM, Michael Hawkins wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ronni,
>>> 
>>> My first concern with iCloud is whether or not I can control what is sent
>>> to and stored on iCloud.
>> 
>> I personally, don’t sync ‘Documents & Data’. I have iWork on my Mac, but I 
>> don’t have iWork for iOS (Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS), 
>> so I can’t see a reason why I would use this feature.
>> At the moment I also don’t have ‘Photo Stream’ selected in System 
>> Preferences > iCloud.
>> 
>> Also on my iPad & iPhone I have iCloud Backup OFF:   Settings > iCloud > 
>> Storage & Backup - iCloud Backup is OFF
>> I backup on my computer, and of course I have a good Backup Strategy backing 
>> up my computers.
>>> 
>>> In other words, if when using Pages I save a document to a specified
>>> folder on my MacBook, will that document be automatically sent to and
>>> saved on iCloud?
>> 
>> Do you have the iWork for iCloud apps? ( Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, 
>> Numbers for iOS)
>> The way I read the documentation, you have to physically drag and drop any 
>> iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document from your computer

Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Michael,

How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac

<http://connectedhq.com/blog/2011/05/24/how-to-sync-iphone-address-book-and-microsoft-entourage-for-mac/>

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 24/10/2011, at 8:51 PM, "michael.hawkins"  
wrote:

> Thanks Ronni, 
> 
> I think at this stage I'll simply make sure that calendar entries are the 
> same on the iPhone and on the computer, and, after a while, have a go at 
> mastering contacts on the phone and contacts on the computer. As far as that 
> goes, I haven't been able to resolve conflicts between Address Book and 
> Entourage and Address Book and Outlook so I suspect it'll be a while before I 
> attempt to do that between devices.
> 
> It all started going wrong some years ago when I used Mark/Space and lost 
> silent numbers that were listed on my phone but weren't in contacts in 
> Entourage, or in Address Book.
> 
> Although I have Pages for iOS, I'll continue to lug my laptop home rather 
> than attempt to use my iPhone ofr word processing.
> 
> Thanks again, your help is invaluable.
> 
> Michael.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ronda Brown" 
> To: wamug@wamug.org.au
> Sent: Monday, 24 October, 2011 4:24:40 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / 
> Hong Kong / Urumqi
> Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and 
> MacBook Pro
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> On 24/10/2011, at 10:48 AM, Michael Hawkins wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronni,
>> 
>> My first concern with iCloud is whether or not I can control what is sent
>> to and stored on iCloud.
> 
> I personally, don’t sync ‘Documents & Data’. I have iWork on my Mac, but I 
> don’t have iWork for iOS (Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS), 
> so I can’t see a reason why I would use this feature.
> At the moment I also don’t have ‘Photo Stream’ selected in System Preferences 
> > iCloud.
> 
> Also on my iPad & iPhone I have iCloud Backup OFF:   Settings > iCloud > 
> Storage & Backup - iCloud Backup is OFF
> I backup on my computer, and of course I have a good Backup Strategy backing 
> up my computers.
>> 
>> In other words, if when using Pages I save a document to a specified
>> folder on my MacBook, will that document be automatically sent to and
>> saved on iCloud?
> 
> Do you have the iWork for iCloud apps? ( Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, 
> Numbers for iOS)
> The way I read the documentation, you have to physically drag and drop any 
> iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document from your computer into one of the 
> iWork apps on icloud.com, as explained below under “Documents in the Cloud”.
> 
> 
>> I would not want that to happen. I want to choose what I send to iCloud,
>> as I prefer to have information about matters I'm working on kept on a
>> computer which is kept under lock and key in my office rather than on a
>> server located who-knows-where, and potentially accessible by any-one with
>> hacking skills.
> 
> iCloud is for iDevices … iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch.
> 
> All that goes to iCloud is data already on your iDevice ( iPhone, iPad) and 
> new documents created in iCloud capable apps such as iWork apps. iCloud is 
> only going to sync iDevices, not the computer. 
> 
> All that is synced from on your computer would be data contained in iTunes 
> such as your Address Book, iCal, Mail, Safari bookmarks, reminders, Notes.
> 
> Michael, I don’t wish to sound rude or sarcastic, but have you read all the 
> Apple Documentation for iCloud?
> I have enough trouble getting my head around all the documentation re iCloud 
> & Apple’s Security & Privacy, but you are in the profession that understands 
> all the ‘fine print’.
> 
> <http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/documents.html>
> /Quote:
> "Documents in the Cloud. And on your Mac or PC.
> iCloud makes it easy to move Pages, Keynote, and Numbers documents between 
> your computer and your iOS devices.   
>Just sign in to icloud.com/iwork in any modern web browser, and all your 
> iWork for iOS documents will be there — complete with your most recent edits. 
> Click a document to download it in iWork ’09, Microsoft Office, or PDF 
> format. You can also drag and drop any iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document 
> from your computer into one of the iWork apps on icloud.com, and it 
> automatically appears on all your iOS devices, ready for you to review, edit, 
> or present."
> /End Quote:
> 
> iCloud automatically stores your 'iWork for iOS' documents and keeps them up 
> to date across all your iOS devic

Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro

[michael.hawkins]

Thanks Ronni, 

I think at this stage I'll simply make sure that calendar entries are the same 
on the iPhone and on the computer, and, after a while, have a go at mastering 
contacts on the phone and contacts on the computer. As far as that goes, I 
haven't been able to resolve conflicts between Address Book and Entourage and 
Address Book and Outlook so I suspect it'll be a while before I attempt to do 
that between devices.

It all started going wrong some years ago when I used Mark/Space and lost 
silent numbers that were listed on my phone but weren't in contacts in 
Entourage, or in Address Book.

Although I have Pages for iOS, I'll continue to lug my laptop home rather than 
attempt to use my iPhone ofr word processing.

Thanks again, your help is invaluable.

Michael.

- Original Message -
From: "Ronda Brown" 
To: wamug@wamug.org.au
Sent: Monday, 24 October, 2011 4:24:40 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong 
Kong / Urumqi
Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and 
MacBook Pro

Hi Michael,

On 24/10/2011, at 10:48 AM, Michael Hawkins wrote:

> Hi Ronni,
> 
> My first concern with iCloud is whether or not I can control what is sent
> to and stored on iCloud.

I personally, don’t sync ‘Documents & Data’. I have iWork on my Mac, but I 
don’t have iWork for iOS (Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS), so 
I can’t see a reason why I would use this feature.
At the moment I also don’t have ‘Photo Stream’ selected in System Preferences > 
iCloud.

Also on my iPad & iPhone I have iCloud Backup OFF:   Settings > iCloud > 
Storage & Backup - iCloud Backup is OFF
I backup on my computer, and of course I have a good Backup Strategy backing up 
my computers.
> 
> In other words, if when using Pages I save a document to a specified
> folder on my MacBook, will that document be automatically sent to and
> saved on iCloud?

Do you have the iWork for iCloud apps? ( Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, 
Numbers for iOS)
The way I read the documentation, you have to physically drag and drop any 
iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document from your computer into one of the iWork 
apps on icloud.com, as explained below under “Documents in the Cloud”.


> I would not want that to happen. I want to choose what I send to iCloud,
> as I prefer to have information about matters I'm working on kept on a
> computer which is kept under lock and key in my office rather than on a
> server located who-knows-where, and potentially accessible by any-one with
> hacking skills.

iCloud is for iDevices … iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch.

All that goes to iCloud is data already on your iDevice ( iPhone, iPad) and new 
documents created in iCloud capable apps such as iWork apps. iCloud is only 
going to sync iDevices, not the computer. 

All that is synced from on your computer would be data contained in iTunes such 
as your Address Book, iCal, Mail, Safari bookmarks, reminders, Notes.

Michael, I don’t wish to sound rude or sarcastic, but have you read all the 
Apple Documentation for iCloud?
I have enough trouble getting my head around all the documentation re iCloud & 
Apple’s Security & Privacy, but you are in the profession that understands all 
the ‘fine print’.

<http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/documents.html>
/Quote:
"Documents in the Cloud. And on your Mac or PC.
iCloud makes it easy to move Pages, Keynote, and Numbers documents between your 
computer and your iOS devices.  
Just sign in to icloud.com/iwork in any modern web browser, and all your iWork 
for iOS documents will be there — complete with your most recent edits. Click a 
document to download it in iWork ’09, Microsoft Office, or PDF format. You can 
also drag and drop any iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document from your 
computer into one of the iWork apps on icloud.com, and it automatically appears 
on all your iOS devices, ready for you to review, edit, or present."
/End Quote:

iCloud automatically stores your 'iWork for iOS' documents and keeps them up to 
date across all your iOS devices and on icloud.com/iwork. 
You can easily move your iWork documents between your iOS device and your 
computer by using www.icloud.com/iwork. 



If you keep photos in iPhoto then you can enable PhotoStream to save your 
iPhoto library and new photos made with your iDevice's camera (if it has one.)

iCloud is not a general storage alternative like DropBox, for example.

<http://www.apple.com/support/icloud/documents/>

<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4942>

> 
> My second concern is the loss of data and documents stored on iCloud if I
> cease to subscribe to iCloud. Apple's warning about that is followed by
> the assurance that the data and documents would be available on other
> devices which are connected to iCloud (includin

Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Michael,

On 24/10/2011, at 10:48 AM, Michael Hawkins wrote:

> Hi Ronni,
> 
> My first concern with iCloud is whether or not I can control what is sent
> to and stored on iCloud.

I personally, don’t sync ‘Documents & Data’. I have iWork on my Mac, but I 
don’t have iWork for iOS (Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS), so 
I can’t see a reason why I would use this feature.
At the moment I also don’t have ‘Photo Stream’ selected in System Preferences > 
iCloud.

Also on my iPad & iPhone I have iCloud Backup OFF:   Settings > iCloud > 
Storage & Backup - iCloud Backup is OFF
I backup on my computer, and of course I have a good Backup Strategy backing up 
my computers.
> 
> In other words, if when using Pages I save a document to a specified
> folder on my MacBook, will that document be automatically sent to and
> saved on iCloud?

Do you have the iWork for iCloud apps? ( Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, 
Numbers for iOS)
The way I read the documentation, you have to physically drag and drop any 
iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document from your computer into one of the iWork 
apps on icloud.com, as explained below under “Documents in the Cloud”.


> I would not want that to happen. I want to choose what I send to iCloud,
> as I prefer to have information about matters I'm working on kept on a
> computer which is kept under lock and key in my office rather than on a
> server located who-knows-where, and potentially accessible by any-one with
> hacking skills.

iCloud is for iDevices … iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch.

All that goes to iCloud is data already on your iDevice ( iPhone, iPad) and new 
documents created in iCloud capable apps such as iWork apps. iCloud is only 
going to sync iDevices, not the computer. 

All that is synced from on your computer would be data contained in iTunes such 
as your Address Book, iCal, Mail, Safari bookmarks, reminders, Notes.

Michael, I don’t wish to sound rude or sarcastic, but have you read all the 
Apple Documentation for iCloud?
I have enough trouble getting my head around all the documentation re iCloud & 
Apple’s Security & Privacy, but you are in the profession that understands all 
the ‘fine print’.

<http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/documents.html>
/Quote:
"Documents in the Cloud. And on your Mac or PC.
iCloud makes it easy to move Pages, Keynote, and Numbers documents between your 
computer and your iOS devices.  
Just sign in to icloud.com/iwork in any modern web browser, and all your iWork 
for iOS documents will be there — complete with your most recent edits. Click a 
document to download it in iWork ’09, Microsoft Office, or PDF format. You can 
also drag and drop any iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document from your 
computer into one of the iWork apps on icloud.com, and it automatically appears 
on all your iOS devices, ready for you to review, edit, or present."
/End Quote:

iCloud automatically stores your 'iWork for iOS' documents and keeps them up to 
date across all your iOS devices and on icloud.com/iwork. 
You can easily move your iWork documents between your iOS device and your 
computer by using www.icloud.com/iwork. 



If you keep photos in iPhoto then you can enable PhotoStream to save your 
iPhoto library and new photos made with your iDevice's camera (if it has one.)

iCloud is not a general storage alternative like DropBox, for example.

<http://www.apple.com/support/icloud/documents/>

<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4942>

> 
> My second concern is the loss of data and documents stored on iCloud if I
> cease to subscribe to iCloud. Apple's warning about that is followed by
> the assurance that the data and documents would be available on other
> devices which are connected to iCloud (including any device I reconnect to
> iCloud). That indicates to me that the documents and data are removed from
> (or never saved) on any device used to connect to iCloud. Have I
> misunderstood things?

You would still have your data & documents on your Mac & iDevices,  you would 
no longer have access to them on iCloud.

iCloud Security:
iCloud secures your content by encrypting it when sent over the Internet, 
storing it in an encrypted format, and using secure tokens for authentication.

iCloud security and privacy overview
<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4865>

iCLOUD TERMS AND CONDITIONS
<http://www.apple.com/legal/icloud/en/terms.html>

'Take Control of iCloud’ ebook is a very good $15.49 AUD investment
<http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/icloud>

Cheers,
Ronni

> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: Ronda Brown 
> Reply-To: WAMUG Mailing List 
> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:52:15 +0800
> To: WAMUG Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and
> MacBook Pro
&g

Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro

[Michael Hawkins]

Hi Ronni,

My first concern with iCloud is whether or not I can control what is sent
to and stored on iCloud.

In other words, if when using Pages I save a document to a specified
folder on my MacBook, will that document be automatically sent to and
saved on iCloud?

I would not want that to happen. I want to choose what I send to iCloud,
as I prefer to have information about matters I'm working on kept on a
computer which is kept under lock and key in my office rather than on a
server located who-knows-where, and potentially accessible by any-one with
hacking skills.

My second concern is the loss of data and documents stored on iCloud if I
cease to subscribe to iCloud. Apple's warning about that is followed by
the assurance that the data and documents would be available on other
devices which are connected to iCloud (including any device I reconnect to
iCloud). That indicates to me that the documents and data are removed from
(or never saved) on any device used to connect to iCloud. Have I
misunderstood things?

Regards,

Michael Hawkins.


-Original Message-
From: Ronda Brown 
Reply-To: WAMUG Mailing List 
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:52:15 +0800
To: WAMUG Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and
MacBook Pro

>Hi Michael,
>
>No-one is forcing you to use iCloud, you don¹t have to use if it you
>don¹t wish to, it¹s entirely your choice.
>
> I don¹t think you understand what iCloud is. I have used iTools, Dot
>Mac, MobileMe and now the new version of Apple¹s Sync/share services
>iCloud, to sync my Mail & Notes, Contacts, Calendars, Bookmarks, use Back
>to My Mac & Find My Mac. So my MBP, iPad & iPhone 4S are all in sync in
>Œreal time¹. Any change I make on any device immediately shows on all my
>other devices.
>
>(SNIP)
>
>How Does It Work?:
>To use iCloud, users must have an iTunes account. When certain kinds of
>data are added or updated on compatible devices, they will be
>automatically uploaded to the user¹s iCloud account and then
>automatically downloaded to the user¹s other devices.
>In this way, iCloud is both a storage tool and a system to keep all your
>data in sync across multiple devices.
>
>(SNIP)
>With Documents:
>
With an iCloud account, when you create or edit documents in compatible
>apps, the document will automatically upload to iCloud and then sync to
>all devices also running those apps. Apple¹s Pages, Keynote, and Numbers
>apps include this feature already. Third-party developers will be able to
>add it to their apps.
>Apple is referring to this feature as 'Documents in the Cloud.¹
>
>With Data
:
>Compatible devices will automatically backup music, iBooks, apps,
>settings, photos, and app data to iCloud over Wi-Fi every day.
>ICloud also includes a calendar-sharing feature, automatic syncing of
>contacts in the address books of all compatible devices, and automatic
>syncing of email messages for devices using Apple¹s @me.com email
>accounts.
>
>(SNIP)
>
>>> For all I know the server (cloud) could be hosted by Colonel Gaddafi!
>
>I don¹t think Gaddafi will be hosting anything where he has gone!
>
>Cheers,
>Ronni
>
>17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 ³Thunderbolt"
>2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
>
>OS X 10.7.2 Lion
>Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
>On 23/10/2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Hawkins wrote:
>
>> Hi Ronni,
>> 
>> I couldn't work out what the warning from Apple meant - the one that
>>says all will be lost and I'll be doomed if in the future I stop using
>>iCloud. I'm very, very reluctant to become a hostage to any service
>>provider or storage host, and I'm even more reluctant to store client
>>information on a "cloud". For all I know the server (cloud) could be
>>hosted by Colonel Gaddafi!
>> 
>> And so I was conservative and only attempted to sync Contacts,
>>Calendars and Reminders and took care to stay away from Documents &
>>Data: there was no way I was going lo have them removed from my computer
>>and become inaccessible if I stopped using iCloud.
>> 
>> It also seemed to me that Apple set things up so that the device with
>>the most recent information upon it over-rode the device with older
>>information on it. Some of my data goes back to the mid-nineties,
>>especially email addresses. I don't want to risk losing those.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> A happy but relieved All Black supporter but didn't the French play
>>well,
>> 
>> Michael.
>> 
>> On 23/10/2011, at 2:25 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Michael,
>>> 
>>> How have you setup syncing?
>>> 
>>> Have 

Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Robin,

I also live where I can’t get ADSL2 and I travel around in this beautiful 
country of ours. 
With previous MobileMe & now iCloud all my devices (Mac, iPhone & iPad) are 
kept in sync.  iCloud works on Wi-Fi & 3G:

Everything you choose to sync will automatically be sent over the Internet to 
your free iCloud account and then out to all of your iCloud-connected devices.

Example: Create a new appointment on your iPhone's calendar, for example, and 
this is pushed up to iCloud via 3G or Wi-Fi and then bounced along to ensure 
the calendar on your Mac or iPad is updated accordingly.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 23/10/2011, at 8:57 PM, Robin Belford wrote:

> It's an interesting argument.
> 
> 
> I was wondering how useful iCloud really is if you aren't always in an area 
> saturated with WiFi?
> 
> What if you're travelling this wide brown land, with WiFi network access once 
> a week?
> How well does it work? Is iCloud even useful?
> 
> What if you can't get better than ADSL1 down the wire to your house?
> 
> If someone could comment on all or some of the above I would be grateful.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Robin
> 
> On 23/10/2011, at 8:52 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Michael,
>> 
>> No-one is forcing you to use iCloud, you don’t have to use if it you don’t 
>> wish to, it’s entirely your choice.
>> 
>> I don’t think you understand what iCloud is. I have used iTools, Dot Mac, 
>> MobileMe and now the new version of Apple’s Sync/share services iCloud, to 
>> sync my Mail & Notes, Contacts, Calendars, Bookmarks, use Back to My Mac & 
>> Find My Mac. So my MBP, iPad & iPhone 4S are all in sync in ‘real time’. Any 
>> change I make on any device immediately shows on all my other devices.
>> 
>> What is iCloud?:
>> iCloud is a web-based offering from Apple that allows users to share music 
>> and other kinds of data among their compatible devices using a centralised 
>> iCloud account as the conduit for the sharing. It is the name for a 
>> collection of apps and services, not of a single function.
>> All iCloud accounts have 5GB of storage by default. Music, photos, apps, and 
>> books do not count against that 5GB limit. Only Camera Roll (photos not 
>> included in Photo Stream), mail, documents, account info, settings, and app 
>> data count against the 5GB cap.
>> 
>> How Does It Work?:
>> To use iCloud, users must have an iTunes account. When certain kinds of data 
>> are added or updated on compatible devices, they will be automatically 
>> uploaded to the user’s iCloud account and then automatically downloaded to 
>> the user’s other devices. 
>> In this way, iCloud is both a storage tool and a system to keep all your 
>> data in sync across multiple devices.
>> 
>> With iTunes
>> :
>> When it comes to music, iCloud allows users to automatically sync songs to 
>> their compatible devices. First, when you purchase music from the iTunes 
>> Store, it is downloaded onto the device you bought it on. When the download 
>> is complete, the song is then automatically synced to all of the other 
>> devices using the iTunes account via iCloud.
>> 
>> Each device will also show a list of all songs purchased via that iTunes 
>> account in the past and allow the user to download them, free of charge, to 
>> their other devices by clicking a button.
>> 
>> All songs will be 256K AAC files. This feature supports up to 10 devices.
>> Apple is referring to these features as 'iTunes in the Cloud.’
>> 
>> With Photos
>> :
>> Using a feature called Photo Stream, photos taken on one device will be 
>> automatically uploaded to iCloud and then pushed down to other devices. This 
>> feature will work on Mac, PC, iOS, and the Apple TV. It stores the last 
>> 1,000 photos on your device and your iCloud account, though the iCloud 
>> account retains the photos for only 30 days. No word yet on what happens to 
>> them after that.
>> 
>> With iBooks
>> :
>> As with other kinds of files, iBooks books can be downloaded to all 
>> compatible devices without an extra fee. Using iCloud, iBooks files can be 
>> bookmarked so you’re reading from the same place in the book on all devices.
>> 
>> With Apps:
>> 
>> You’ll be able to see a list of all the apps you’ve purchased via the iTunes 
>> account being used with iCloud. Then, on other devices that don’t have those 
>> apps installed, you’ll be able to download those apps free or charge.
>> 
>> With Documents:
>> 
>> With an iCloud account, when you create or edit documents in compatible 
>> apps, the document will automatically upload to iCloud and then sync to all 
>> devices also running those apps. Apple’s Pages, Keynote, and Numbers apps 
>> include this feature already. Third-party developers will be able to add it 
>> to their apps.
>> Apple is referring to this feature as 'Documents in the Cloud.’
>> 
>> With Data
>> :
>> Compatible devices will automatically backup music, iBooks, apps, settings, 
>> photos, and app data to iCloud over Wi-Fi every day.
>> ICloud also includes a cal

Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro

[Robin Belford]

It's an interesting argument.


I was wondering how useful iCloud really is if you aren't always in an area 
saturated with WiFi?

What if you're travelling this wide brown land, with WiFi network access once a 
week?
How well does it work? Is iCloud even useful?

What if you can't get better than ADSL1 down the wire to your house?

If someone could comment on all or some of the above I would be grateful.

regards,

Robin

On 23/10/2011, at 8:52 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Michael,
> 
> No-one is forcing you to use iCloud, you don’t have to use if it you don’t 
> wish to, it’s entirely your choice.
> 
> I don’t think you understand what iCloud is. I have used iTools, Dot Mac, 
> MobileMe and now the new version of Apple’s Sync/share services iCloud, to 
> sync my Mail & Notes, Contacts, Calendars, Bookmarks, use Back to My Mac & 
> Find My Mac. So my MBP, iPad & iPhone 4S are all in sync in ‘real time’. Any 
> change I make on any device immediately shows on all my other devices.
> 
> What is iCloud?:
> iCloud is a web-based offering from Apple that allows users to share music 
> and other kinds of data among their compatible devices using a centralised 
> iCloud account as the conduit for the sharing. It is the name for a 
> collection of apps and services, not of a single function.
> All iCloud accounts have 5GB of storage by default. Music, photos, apps, and 
> books do not count against that 5GB limit. Only Camera Roll (photos not 
> included in Photo Stream), mail, documents, account info, settings, and app 
> data count against the 5GB cap.
> 
> How Does It Work?:
> To use iCloud, users must have an iTunes account. When certain kinds of data 
> are added or updated on compatible devices, they will be automatically 
> uploaded to the user’s iCloud account and then automatically downloaded to 
> the user’s other devices. 
> In this way, iCloud is both a storage tool and a system to keep all your data 
> in sync across multiple devices.
> 
> With iTunes
> :
> When it comes to music, iCloud allows users to automatically sync songs to 
> their compatible devices. First, when you purchase music from the iTunes 
> Store, it is downloaded onto the device you bought it on. When the download 
> is complete, the song is then automatically synced to all of the other 
> devices using the iTunes account via iCloud.
> 
> Each device will also show a list of all songs purchased via that iTunes 
> account in the past and allow the user to download them, free of charge, to 
> their other devices by clicking a button.
> 
> All songs will be 256K AAC files. This feature supports up to 10 devices.
> Apple is referring to these features as 'iTunes in the Cloud.’
> 
> With Photos
> :
> Using a feature called Photo Stream, photos taken on one device will be 
> automatically uploaded to iCloud and then pushed down to other devices. This 
> feature will work on Mac, PC, iOS, and the Apple TV. It stores the last 1,000 
> photos on your device and your iCloud account, though the iCloud account 
> retains the photos for only 30 days. No word yet on what happens to them 
> after that.
> 
> With iBooks
> :
> As with other kinds of files, iBooks books can be downloaded to all 
> compatible devices without an extra fee. Using iCloud, iBooks files can be 
> bookmarked so you’re reading from the same place in the book on all devices.
> 
> With Apps:
> 
> You’ll be able to see a list of all the apps you’ve purchased via the iTunes 
> account being used with iCloud. Then, on other devices that don’t have those 
> apps installed, you’ll be able to download those apps free or charge.
> 
> With Documents:
> 
> With an iCloud account, when you create or edit documents in compatible apps, 
> the document will automatically upload to iCloud and then sync to all devices 
> also running those apps. Apple’s Pages, Keynote, and Numbers apps include 
> this feature already. Third-party developers will be able to add it to their 
> apps.
> Apple is referring to this feature as 'Documents in the Cloud.’
> 
> With Data
> :
> Compatible devices will automatically backup music, iBooks, apps, settings, 
> photos, and app data to iCloud over Wi-Fi every day.
> ICloud also includes a calendar-sharing feature, automatic syncing of 
> contacts in the address books of all compatible devices, and automatic 
> syncing of email messages for devices using Apple’s @me.com email accounts.
> 
> For New Devices:
> 
> Since iCloud will have a backup of these files, you will be able to easily 
> download them to new devices when you purchase them. This includes apps and 
> music, but does not require an additional purchase.
> 
> With Email, Calendars, and Contacts:
> 
> Since iCloud replaces Apple’s previous MobileMe service, iCloud also offers a 
> number of the web-based apps that MobileMe did. 
> These include web versions of email, address book, and calendar programs that 
> can be accessed through a web browser and will be up to date with any data 
> backed up t

Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Michael,

No-one is forcing you to use iCloud, you don’t have to use if it you don’t wish 
to, it’s entirely your choice.

 I don’t think you understand what iCloud is. I have used iTools, Dot Mac, 
MobileMe and now the new version of Apple’s Sync/share services iCloud, to sync 
my Mail & Notes, Contacts, Calendars, Bookmarks, use Back to My Mac & Find My 
Mac. So my MBP, iPad & iPhone 4S are all in sync in ‘real time’. Any change I 
make on any device immediately shows on all my other devices.

What is iCloud?:
iCloud is a web-based offering from Apple that allows users to share music and 
other kinds of data among their compatible devices using a centralised iCloud 
account as the conduit for the sharing. It is the name for a collection of apps 
and services, not of a single function.
All iCloud accounts have 5GB of storage by default. Music, photos, apps, and 
books do not count against that 5GB limit. Only Camera Roll (photos not 
included in Photo Stream), mail, documents, account info, settings, and app 
data count against the 5GB cap.

How Does It Work?:
To use iCloud, users must have an iTunes account. When certain kinds of data 
are added or updated on compatible devices, they will be automatically uploaded 
to the user’s iCloud account and then automatically downloaded to the user’s 
other devices. 
In this way, iCloud is both a storage tool and a system to keep all your data 
in sync across multiple devices.

With iTunes
:
When it comes to music, iCloud allows users to automatically sync songs to 
their compatible devices. First, when you purchase music from the iTunes Store, 
it is downloaded onto the device you bought it on. When the download is 
complete, the song is then automatically synced to all of the other devices 
using the iTunes account via iCloud.

Each device will also show a list of all songs purchased via that iTunes 
account in the past and allow the user to download them, free of charge, to 
their other devices by clicking a button.

All songs will be 256K AAC files. This feature supports up to 10 devices.
Apple is referring to these features as 'iTunes in the Cloud.’

With Photos
:
Using a feature called Photo Stream, photos taken on one device will be 
automatically uploaded to iCloud and then pushed down to other devices. This 
feature will work on Mac, PC, iOS, and the Apple TV. It stores the last 1,000 
photos on your device and your iCloud account, though the iCloud account 
retains the photos for only 30 days. No word yet on what happens to them after 
that.

With iBooks
:
As with other kinds of files, iBooks books can be downloaded to all compatible 
devices without an extra fee. Using iCloud, iBooks files can be bookmarked so 
you’re reading from the same place in the book on all devices.

With Apps:

You’ll be able to see a list of all the apps you’ve purchased via the iTunes 
account being used with iCloud. Then, on other devices that don’t have those 
apps installed, you’ll be able to download those apps free or charge.

With Documents:

With an iCloud account, when you create or edit documents in compatible apps, 
the document will automatically upload to iCloud and then sync to all devices 
also running those apps. Apple’s Pages, Keynote, and Numbers apps include this 
feature already. Third-party developers will be able to add it to their apps.
Apple is referring to this feature as 'Documents in the Cloud.’

With Data
:
Compatible devices will automatically backup music, iBooks, apps, settings, 
photos, and app data to iCloud over Wi-Fi every day.
ICloud also includes a calendar-sharing feature, automatic syncing of contacts 
in the address books of all compatible devices, and automatic syncing of email 
messages for devices using Apple’s @me.com email accounts.

For New Devices:

Since iCloud will have a backup of these files, you will be able to easily 
download them to new devices when you purchase them. This includes apps and 
music, but does not require an additional purchase.

With Email, Calendars, and Contacts:

Since iCloud replaces Apple’s previous MobileMe service, iCloud also offers a 
number of the web-based apps that MobileMe did. 
These include web versions of email, address book, and calendar programs that 
can be accessed through a web browser and will be up to date with any data 
backed up to iCloud.

>> For all I know the server (cloud) could be hosted by Colonel Gaddafi!

I don’t think Gaddafi will be hosting anything where he has gone!

Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.7.2 Lion
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
On 23/10/2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Hawkins wrote:

> Hi Ronni,
> 
> I couldn't work out what the warning from Apple meant - the one that says all 
> will be lost and I'll be doomed if in the future I stop using iCloud. I'm 
> very, very reluctant to become a hostage to any service provider or storage 
> host, and I'm even more reluctant to store client in

Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro

[Michael Hawkins]

Hi Ronni,

I couldn't work out what the warning from Apple meant - the one that says all 
will be lost and I'll be doomed if in the future I stop using iCloud. I'm very, 
very reluctant to become a hostage to any service provider or storage host, and 
I'm even more reluctant to store client information on a "cloud". For all I 
know the server (cloud) could be hosted by Colonel Gaddafi!

And so I was conservative and only attempted to sync Contacts, Calendars and 
Reminders and took care to stay away from Documents & Data: there was no way I 
was going lo have them removed from my computer and become inaccessible if I 
stopped using iCloud.

It also seemed to me that Apple set things up so that the device with the most 
recent information upon it over-rode the device with older information on it. 
Some of my data goes back to the mid-nineties, especially email addresses. I 
don't want to risk losing those.

Regards,

A happy but relieved All Black supporter but didn't the French play well,

Michael.

On 23/10/2011, at 2:25 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Michael,
> 
> How have you setup syncing?
> 
> Have you setup iCloud on your Mac to Sync Mail, Contacts, Calendars, 
> Reminders, Bookmarks, Notes (Photo Stream if you want it), Documents & Data, 
> Back to My Mac & Find my Mac  in System Preferences ,and then after you 
> received the message “Now setup your Devices” (or similar) iCloud on your 
> iPhone 4S to sync the same?
> 
> If you are syncing using iCloud, DON’T have syncing of these items in iTunes  
> (Turn them OFF in iTunes) otherwise you will end up with duplicates.
> You sync from the Cloud  … “iCloud”!  
> 
> In iTunes you only sync what iCloud doesn’t … example: Music, Movies, TV 
> Shows, etc
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
> 
> OS X 10.7.2 Lion
> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
> On 23/10/2011, at 1:44 PM, Michael Hawkins wrote:
> 
>> I want to merge the information I have on my iPhone 4S with the information
>> on my MacBook Pro. How can I set things up so that that happens, rather than
>> having one device overriding the other and deleting whatever is different in
>> the process?
>> 
>> MacBook Pro
>> 2.4 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo
>> 6 GB 667 Mhz DDR2 SDRAM
>> OS 10.7.2
>> 
>> iPhone 4S
>> iOS 5.0 (9A334)
>> Modern Firmware 1.0.11
>> 
>> iCloud has left me in a fog.
>> 
>> Regards and thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Michael Hawkins.
>> Go the Mighty AB's!
>> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Michael,

How have you setup syncing?

Have you setup iCloud on your Mac to Sync Mail, Contacts, Calendars, Reminders, 
Bookmarks, Notes (Photo Stream if you want it), Documents & Data, Back to My 
Mac & Find my Mac  in System Preferences ,and then after you received the 
message “Now setup your Devices” (or similar) iCloud on your iPhone 4S to sync 
the same?

If you are syncing using iCloud, DON’T have syncing of these items in iTunes  
(Turn them OFF in iTunes) otherwise you will end up with duplicates.
You sync from the Cloud  … “iCloud”!  

In iTunes you only sync what iCloud doesn’t … example: Music, Movies, TV Shows, 
etc

Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.7.2 Lion
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
On 23/10/2011, at 1:44 PM, Michael Hawkins wrote:

> I want to merge the information I have on my iPhone 4S with the information
> on my MacBook Pro. How can I set things up so that that happens, rather than
> having one device overriding the other and deleting whatever is different in
> the process?
> 
> MacBook Pro
> 2.4 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo
> 6 GB 667 Mhz DDR2 SDRAM
> OS 10.7.2
> 
> iPhone 4S
> iOS 5.0 (9A334)
> Modern Firmware 1.0.11
> 
> iCloud has left me in a fog.
> 
> Regards and thanks in advance,
> 
> Michael Hawkins.
> Go the Mighty AB's!
> 













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Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro

[Michael Hawkins]

I want to merge the information I have on my iPhone 4S with the information
on my MacBook Pro. How can I set things up so that that happens, rather than
having one device overriding the other and deleting whatever is different in
the process?

MacBook Pro
2.4 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo
6 GB 667 Mhz DDR2 SDRAM
OS 10.7.2

iPhone 4S
iOS 5.0 (9A334)
Modern Firmware 1.0.11

iCloud has left me in a fog.

Regards and thanks in advance,

Michael Hawkins.
Go the Mighty AB's!


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