Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro
Hi Michael, On 24/10/2011, at 10:48 AM, Michael Hawkins wrote: Hi Ronni, My first concern with iCloud is whether or not I can control what is sent to and stored on iCloud. I personally, don’t sync ‘Documents Data’. I have iWork on my Mac, but I don’t have iWork for iOS (Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS), so I can’t see a reason why I would use this feature. At the moment I also don’t have ‘Photo Stream’ selected in System Preferences iCloud. Also on my iPad iPhone I have iCloud Backup OFF: Settings iCloud Storage Backup - iCloud Backup is OFF I backup on my computer, and of course I have a good Backup Strategy backing up my computers. In other words, if when using Pages I save a document to a specified folder on my MacBook, will that document be automatically sent to and saved on iCloud? Do you have the iWork for iCloud apps? ( Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS) The way I read the documentation, you have to physically drag and drop any iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document from your computer into one of the iWork apps on icloud.com, as explained below under “Documents in the Cloud”. I would not want that to happen. I want to choose what I send to iCloud, as I prefer to have information about matters I'm working on kept on a computer which is kept under lock and key in my office rather than on a server located who-knows-where, and potentially accessible by any-one with hacking skills. iCloud is for iDevices … iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch. All that goes to iCloud is data already on your iDevice ( iPhone, iPad) and new documents created in iCloud capable apps such as iWork apps. iCloud is only going to sync iDevices, not the computer. All that is synced from on your computer would be data contained in iTunes such as your Address Book, iCal, Mail, Safari bookmarks, reminders, Notes. Michael, I don’t wish to sound rude or sarcastic, but have you read all the Apple Documentation for iCloud? I have enough trouble getting my head around all the documentation re iCloud Apple’s Security Privacy, but you are in the profession that understands all the ‘fine print’. http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/documents.html /Quote: Documents in the Cloud. And on your Mac or PC. iCloud makes it easy to move Pages, Keynote, and Numbers documents between your computer and your iOS devices. Just sign in to icloud.com/iwork in any modern web browser, and all your iWork for iOS documents will be there — complete with your most recent edits. Click a document to download it in iWork ’09, Microsoft Office, or PDF format. You can also drag and drop any iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document from your computer into one of the iWork apps on icloud.com, and it automatically appears on all your iOS devices, ready for you to review, edit, or present. /End Quote: iCloud automatically stores your 'iWork for iOS' documents and keeps them up to date across all your iOS devices and on icloud.com/iwork. You can easily move your iWork documents between your iOS device and your computer by using www.icloud.com/iwork. www.icloud.com/iwork If you keep photos in iPhoto then you can enable PhotoStream to save your iPhoto library and new photos made with your iDevice's camera (if it has one.) iCloud is not a general storage alternative like DropBox, for example. http://www.apple.com/support/icloud/documents/ http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4942 My second concern is the loss of data and documents stored on iCloud if I cease to subscribe to iCloud. Apple's warning about that is followed by the assurance that the data and documents would be available on other devices which are connected to iCloud (including any device I reconnect to iCloud). That indicates to me that the documents and data are removed from (or never saved) on any device used to connect to iCloud. Have I misunderstood things? You would still have your data documents on your Mac iDevices, you would no longer have access to them on iCloud. iCloud Security: iCloud secures your content by encrypting it when sent over the Internet, storing it in an encrypted format, and using secure tokens for authentication. iCloud security and privacy overview http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4865 iCLOUD TERMS AND CONDITIONS http://www.apple.com/legal/icloud/en/terms.html 'Take Control of iCloud’ ebook is a very good $15.49 AUD investment http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/icloud Cheers, Ronni -Original Message- From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Reply-To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:52:15 +0800 To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro Hi Michael, No-one is forcing you to use iCloud, you don¹t have to use if it you don¹t wish to, it¹s entirely your choice. I don¹t think you understand what iCloud is. I have used
Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro
Thanks Ronni, I think at this stage I'll simply make sure that calendar entries are the same on the iPhone and on the computer, and, after a while, have a go at mastering contacts on the phone and contacts on the computer. As far as that goes, I haven't been able to resolve conflicts between Address Book and Entourage and Address Book and Outlook so I suspect it'll be a while before I attempt to do that between devices. It all started going wrong some years ago when I used Mark/Space and lost silent numbers that were listed on my phone but weren't in contacts in Entourage, or in Address Book. Although I have Pages for iOS, I'll continue to lug my laptop home rather than attempt to use my iPhone ofr word processing. Thanks again, your help is invaluable. Michael. - Original Message - From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Monday, 24 October, 2011 4:24:40 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro Hi Michael, On 24/10/2011, at 10:48 AM, Michael Hawkins wrote: Hi Ronni, My first concern with iCloud is whether or not I can control what is sent to and stored on iCloud. I personally, don’t sync ‘Documents Data’. I have iWork on my Mac, but I don’t have iWork for iOS (Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS), so I can’t see a reason why I would use this feature. At the moment I also don’t have ‘Photo Stream’ selected in System Preferences iCloud. Also on my iPad iPhone I have iCloud Backup OFF: Settings iCloud Storage Backup - iCloud Backup is OFF I backup on my computer, and of course I have a good Backup Strategy backing up my computers. In other words, if when using Pages I save a document to a specified folder on my MacBook, will that document be automatically sent to and saved on iCloud? Do you have the iWork for iCloud apps? ( Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS) The way I read the documentation, you have to physically drag and drop any iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document from your computer into one of the iWork apps on icloud.com, as explained below under “Documents in the Cloud”. I would not want that to happen. I want to choose what I send to iCloud, as I prefer to have information about matters I'm working on kept on a computer which is kept under lock and key in my office rather than on a server located who-knows-where, and potentially accessible by any-one with hacking skills. iCloud is for iDevices … iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch. All that goes to iCloud is data already on your iDevice ( iPhone, iPad) and new documents created in iCloud capable apps such as iWork apps. iCloud is only going to sync iDevices, not the computer. All that is synced from on your computer would be data contained in iTunes such as your Address Book, iCal, Mail, Safari bookmarks, reminders, Notes. Michael, I don’t wish to sound rude or sarcastic, but have you read all the Apple Documentation for iCloud? I have enough trouble getting my head around all the documentation re iCloud Apple’s Security Privacy, but you are in the profession that understands all the ‘fine print’. http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/documents.html /Quote: Documents in the Cloud. And on your Mac or PC. iCloud makes it easy to move Pages, Keynote, and Numbers documents between your computer and your iOS devices. Just sign in to icloud.com/iwork in any modern web browser, and all your iWork for iOS documents will be there — complete with your most recent edits. Click a document to download it in iWork ’09, Microsoft Office, or PDF format. You can also drag and drop any iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document from your computer into one of the iWork apps on icloud.com, and it automatically appears on all your iOS devices, ready for you to review, edit, or present. /End Quote: iCloud automatically stores your 'iWork for iOS' documents and keeps them up to date across all your iOS devices and on icloud.com/iwork. You can easily move your iWork documents between your iOS device and your computer by using www.icloud.com/iwork. www.icloud.com/iwork If you keep photos in iPhoto then you can enable PhotoStream to save your iPhoto library and new photos made with your iDevice's camera (if it has one.) iCloud is not a general storage alternative like DropBox, for example. http://www.apple.com/support/icloud/documents/ http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4942 My second concern is the loss of data and documents stored on iCloud if I cease to subscribe to iCloud. Apple's warning about that is followed by the assurance that the data and documents would be available on other devices which are connected to iCloud (including any device I reconnect to iCloud). That indicates to me that the documents and data are removed from (or never saved) on any device used to connect to iCloud. Have I
Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro
Hi Michael, How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac http://connectedhq.com/blog/2011/05/24/how-to-sync-iphone-address-book-and-microsoft-entourage-for-mac/ Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 24/10/2011, at 8:51 PM, michael.hawkins michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au wrote: Thanks Ronni, I think at this stage I'll simply make sure that calendar entries are the same on the iPhone and on the computer, and, after a while, have a go at mastering contacts on the phone and contacts on the computer. As far as that goes, I haven't been able to resolve conflicts between Address Book and Entourage and Address Book and Outlook so I suspect it'll be a while before I attempt to do that between devices. It all started going wrong some years ago when I used Mark/Space and lost silent numbers that were listed on my phone but weren't in contacts in Entourage, or in Address Book. Although I have Pages for iOS, I'll continue to lug my laptop home rather than attempt to use my iPhone ofr word processing. Thanks again, your help is invaluable. Michael. - Original Message - From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Monday, 24 October, 2011 4:24:40 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro Hi Michael, On 24/10/2011, at 10:48 AM, Michael Hawkins wrote: Hi Ronni, My first concern with iCloud is whether or not I can control what is sent to and stored on iCloud. I personally, don’t sync ‘Documents Data’. I have iWork on my Mac, but I don’t have iWork for iOS (Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS), so I can’t see a reason why I would use this feature. At the moment I also don’t have ‘Photo Stream’ selected in System Preferences iCloud. Also on my iPad iPhone I have iCloud Backup OFF: Settings iCloud Storage Backup - iCloud Backup is OFF I backup on my computer, and of course I have a good Backup Strategy backing up my computers. In other words, if when using Pages I save a document to a specified folder on my MacBook, will that document be automatically sent to and saved on iCloud? Do you have the iWork for iCloud apps? ( Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS) The way I read the documentation, you have to physically drag and drop any iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document from your computer into one of the iWork apps on icloud.com, as explained below under “Documents in the Cloud”. I would not want that to happen. I want to choose what I send to iCloud, as I prefer to have information about matters I'm working on kept on a computer which is kept under lock and key in my office rather than on a server located who-knows-where, and potentially accessible by any-one with hacking skills. iCloud is for iDevices … iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch. All that goes to iCloud is data already on your iDevice ( iPhone, iPad) and new documents created in iCloud capable apps such as iWork apps. iCloud is only going to sync iDevices, not the computer. All that is synced from on your computer would be data contained in iTunes such as your Address Book, iCal, Mail, Safari bookmarks, reminders, Notes. Michael, I don’t wish to sound rude or sarcastic, but have you read all the Apple Documentation for iCloud? I have enough trouble getting my head around all the documentation re iCloud Apple’s Security Privacy, but you are in the profession that understands all the ‘fine print’. http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/documents.html /Quote: Documents in the Cloud. And on your Mac or PC. iCloud makes it easy to move Pages, Keynote, and Numbers documents between your computer and your iOS devices. Just sign in to icloud.com/iwork in any modern web browser, and all your iWork for iOS documents will be there — complete with your most recent edits. Click a document to download it in iWork ’09, Microsoft Office, or PDF format. You can also drag and drop any iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document from your computer into one of the iWork apps on icloud.com, and it automatically appears on all your iOS devices, ready for you to review, edit, or present. /End Quote: iCloud automatically stores your 'iWork for iOS' documents and keeps them up to date across all your iOS devices and on icloud.com/iwork. You can easily move your iWork documents between your iOS device and your computer by using www.icloud.com/iwork. www.icloud.com/iwork If you keep photos in iPhoto then you can enable PhotoStream to save your iPhoto library and new photos made with your iDevice's camera (if it has one.) iCloud is not a general storage alternative like DropBox, for example. http://www.apple.com/support/icloud/documents/ http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4942 My second concern is the loss of data
Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro
How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac Step 1. Export everything from Entourage. Step 2. Import Everything into Apple Mail, Address Book, iCal. Step 3. Live happy in the knowledge that it all just works better (and syncs better), and is easier to keep updated across one set of Apps, then the other. :) Step 4. Live happy in the knowledge that Time Machine backups for Apple work sooo much better then Entourage with it's one file for everything file system (especially when things fall over). Honestly,...I can say that Mail, Address Book and iCal all work better the Entourage did. And this is coming from someone that used Entourage since Office 2004 and before that Eudora. It took me a bit to move from Eudora to Entourage and it took me a bit to move from Entourage to Apple Mail. but I wouldn't go back now! (I was running both Entourage 2004 and Mail for the last 6 months getting used to it. Twice the work to look after both, but I could see the little things that needed adjusted and things that worked better or how to work them better. Plus I'm pedantic with getting it right the first time :o) All my folders came across, everything stayed intact. I know only have to look after Address Book and iCal (where as before I was doing both Address Book, iCal and Entourage's Address Book because sometimes the syncing fell over,...and when you have to go out to do a 9 hour job for a client to fix their fallen over Entourage Database problems,..you start to realise how bad a program it really is underneath.) Plus Mail, Address Book and iCal sync so much nicer with iDevices. Sorry,...I couldn't resist :)) Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** On 24/10/2011, at 10:05 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Michael, How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac http://connectedhq.com/blog/2011/05/24/how-to-sync-iphone-address-book-and-microsoft-entourage-for-mac/ Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 24/10/2011, at 8:51 PM, michael.hawkins michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au wrote: Thanks Ronni, I think at this stage I'll simply make sure that calendar entries are the same on the iPhone and on the computer, and, after a while, have a go at mastering contacts on the phone and contacts on the computer. As far as that goes, I haven't been able to resolve conflicts between Address Book and Entourage and Address Book and Outlook so I suspect it'll be a while before I attempt to do that between devices. It all started going wrong some years ago when I used Mark/Space and lost silent numbers that were listed on my phone but weren't in contacts in Entourage, or in Address Book. Although I have Pages for iOS, I'll continue to lug my laptop home rather than attempt to use my iPhone ofr word processing. Thanks again, your help is invaluable. Michael. - Original Message - From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Monday, 24 October, 2011 4:24:40 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro Hi Michael, On 24/10/2011, at 10:48 AM, Michael Hawkins wrote: Hi Ronni, My first concern with iCloud is whether or not I can control what is sent to and stored on iCloud. I personally, don’t sync ‘Documents Data’. I have iWork on my Mac, but I don’t have iWork for iOS (Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS), so I can’t see a reason why I would use this feature. At the moment I also don’t have ‘Photo Stream’ selected in System Preferences iCloud. Also on my iPad iPhone I have iCloud Backup OFF: Settings iCloud Storage Backup - iCloud Backup is OFF I backup on my computer, and of course I have a good Backup Strategy backing up my computers. In other words, if when using Pages I save a document to a specified folder on my MacBook, will that document be automatically sent to and saved on iCloud? Do you have the iWork for iCloud apps? ( Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS) The way I read the documentation, you have to physically drag and drop any iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document from your computer into one of the iWork apps on icloud.com, as explained below under “Documents in the Cloud”. I would not want that to happen. I want to choose what I send to iCloud, as I prefer to have information about matters I'm working on kept on a computer which is kept under lock and key in my office rather than on a server located who-knows-where, and potentially accessible by any-one with hacking skills. iCloud is for iDevices … iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch. All that goes to iCloud is data already on your iDevice ( iPhone, iPad) and new documents created in iCloud capable apps such as iWork apps. iCloud
Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro
Hey Daniel, How many years have I been saying you should move from Entourage to Apple Mail? ;-) Did it take Apple Mail in Lion to finally convince you to? Mail, Address Book iCal all work beautifully together ... All generic Apple Applications! Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 24/10/2011, at 10:15 PM, Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote: How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac Step 1. Export everything from Entourage. Step 2. Import Everything into Apple Mail, Address Book, iCal. Step 3. Live happy in the knowledge that it all just works better (and syncs better), and is easier to keep updated across one set of Apps, then the other. :) Step 4. Live happy in the knowledge that Time Machine backups for Apple work sooo much better then Entourage with it's one file for everything file system (especially when things fall over). Honestly,...I can say that Mail, Address Book and iCal all work better the Entourage did. And this is coming from someone that used Entourage since Office 2004 and before that Eudora. It took me a bit to move from Eudora to Entourage and it took me a bit to move from Entourage to Apple Mail. but I wouldn't go back now! (I was running both Entourage 2004 and Mail for the last 6 months getting used to it. Twice the work to look after both, but I could see the little things that needed adjusted and things that worked better or how to work them better. Plus I'm pedantic with getting it right the first time :o) All my folders came across, everything stayed intact. I know only have to look after Address Book and iCal (where as before I was doing both Address Book, iCal and Entourage's Address Book because sometimes the syncing fell over,...and when you have to go out to do a 9 hour job for a client to fix their fallen over Entourage Database problems,..you start to realise how bad a program it really is underneath.) Plus Mail, Address Book and iCal sync so much nicer with iDevices. Sorry,...I couldn't resist :)) Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** On 24/10/2011, at 10:05 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Michael, How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac http://connectedhq.com/blog/2011/05/24/how-to-sync-iphone-address-book-and-microsoft-entourage-for-mac/ Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 24/10/2011, at 8:51 PM, michael.hawkins michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au wrote: Thanks Ronni, I think at this stage I'll simply make sure that calendar entries are the same on the iPhone and on the computer, and, after a while, have a go at mastering contacts on the phone and contacts on the computer. As far as that goes, I haven't been able to resolve conflicts between Address Book and Entourage and Address Book and Outlook so I suspect it'll be a while before I attempt to do that between devices. It all started going wrong some years ago when I used Mark/Space and lost silent numbers that were listed on my phone but weren't in contacts in Entourage, or in Address Book. Although I have Pages for iOS, I'll continue to lug my laptop home rather than attempt to use my iPhone ofr word processing. Thanks again, your help is invaluable. Michael. - Original Message - From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Monday, 24 October, 2011 4:24:40 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro Hi Michael, On 24/10/2011, at 10:48 AM, Michael Hawkins wrote: Hi Ronni, My first concern with iCloud is whether or not I can control what is sent to and stored on iCloud. I personally, don’t sync ‘Documents Data’. I have iWork on my Mac, but I don’t have iWork for iOS (Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS), so I can’t see a reason why I would use this feature. At the moment I also don’t have ‘Photo Stream’ selected in System Preferences iCloud. Also on my iPad iPhone I have iCloud Backup OFF: Settings iCloud Storage Backup - iCloud Backup is OFF I backup on my computer, and of course I have a good Backup Strategy backing up my computers. In other words, if when using Pages I save a document to a specified folder on my MacBook, will that document be automatically sent to and saved on iCloud? Do you have the iWork for iCloud apps? ( Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS) The way I read the documentation, you have to physically drag and drop any iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document from your computer into one of the iWork apps on icloud.com, as explained below under “Documents in the Cloud”. I would not want that to happen. I want to choose what I send to iCloud, as I prefer to have information about
Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro
: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro Hi Michael, On 24/10/2011, at 10:48 AM, Michael Hawkins wrote: Hi Ronni, My first concern with iCloud is whether or not I can control what is sent to and stored on iCloud. I personally, don’t sync ‘Documents Data’. I have iWork on my Mac, but I don’t have iWork for iOS (Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS), so I can’t see a reason why I would use this feature. At the moment I also don’t have ‘Photo Stream’ selected in System Preferences iCloud. Also on my iPad iPhone I have iCloud Backup OFF: Settings iCloud Storage Backup - iCloud Backup is OFF I backup on my computer, and of course I have a good Backup Strategy backing up my computers. In other words, if when using Pages I save a document to a specified folder on my MacBook, will that document be automatically sent to and saved on iCloud? Do you have the iWork for iCloud apps? ( Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS) The way I read the documentation, you have to physically drag and drop any iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document from your computer into one of the iWork apps on icloud.com, as explained below under “Documents in the Cloud”. I would not want that to happen. I want to choose what I send to iCloud, as I prefer to have information about matters I'm working on kept on a computer which is kept under lock and key in my office rather than on a server located who-knows-where, and potentially accessible by any-one with hacking skills. iCloud is for iDevices … iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch. All that goes to iCloud is data already on your iDevice ( iPhone, iPad) and new documents created in iCloud capable apps such as iWork apps. iCloud is only going to sync iDevices, not the computer. All that is synced from on your computer would be data contained in iTunes such as your Address Book, iCal, Mail, Safari bookmarks, reminders, Notes. Michael, I don’t wish to sound rude or sarcastic, but have you read all the Apple Documentation for iCloud? I have enough trouble getting my head around all the documentation re iCloud Apple’s Security Privacy, but you are in the profession that understands all the ‘fine print’. http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/documents.html /Quote: Documents in the Cloud. And on your Mac or PC. iCloud makes it easy to move Pages, Keynote, and Numbers documents between your computer and your iOS devices. Just sign in to icloud.com/iwork in any modern web browser, and all your iWork for iOS documents will be there — complete with your most recent edits. Click a document to download it in iWork ’09, Microsoft Office, or PDF format. You can also drag and drop any iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document from your computer into one of the iWork apps on icloud.com, and it automatically appears on all your iOS devices, ready for you to review, edit, or present. /End Quote: iCloud automatically stores your 'iWork for iOS' documents and keeps them up to date across all your iOS devices and on icloud.com/iwork. You can easily move your iWork documents between your iOS device and your computer by using www.icloud.com/iwork. www.icloud.com/iwork If you keep photos in iPhoto then you can enable PhotoStream to save your iPhoto library and new photos made with your iDevice's camera (if it has one.) iCloud is not a general storage alternative like DropBox, for example. http://www.apple.com/support/icloud/documents/ http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4942 My second concern is the loss of data and documents stored on iCloud if I cease to subscribe to iCloud. Apple's warning about that is followed by the assurance that the data and documents would be available on other devices which are connected to iCloud (including any device I reconnect to iCloud). That indicates to me that the documents and data are removed from (or never saved) on any device used to connect to iCloud. Have I misunderstood things? You would still have your data documents on your Mac iDevices, you would no longer have access to them on iCloud. iCloud Security: iCloud secures your content by encrypting it when sent over the Internet, storing it in an encrypted format, and using secure tokens for authentication. iCloud security and privacy overview http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4865 iCLOUD TERMS AND CONDITIONS http://www.apple.com/legal/icloud/en/terms.html 'Take Control of iCloud’ ebook is a very good $15.49 AUD investment http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/icloud Cheers, Ronni -Original Message- From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Reply-To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:52:15 +0800 To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro Hi Michael
Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro
My added wrinkle is that I've been trying to move from Entourage to Outlook (as in Office 2011) and now to Mail. I put my faith in MicroSoft for the transition from Entourage to Outlook. I've found that Entourage was much easier to use than Outlook for things such as setting up folders so emails would be filed where they belong. Call me old fashioned but I find it much easier to try and arrange correspondence as if it is letters kept in a file for a client (new file for each matter) with the files stored in a filing cabinet. Regards, Michael. -Original Message- From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Reply-To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 06:11:46 +0800 To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro Hey Daniel, How many years have I been saying you should move from Entourage to Apple Mail? ;-) Did it take Apple Mail in Lion to finally convince you to? Mail, Address Book iCal all work beautifully together ... All generic Apple Applications! Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 24/10/2011, at 10:15 PM, Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote: How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac Step 1. Export everything from Entourage. Step 2. Import Everything into Apple Mail, Address Book, iCal. Step 3. Live happy in the knowledge that it all just works better (and syncs better), and is easier to keep updated across one set of Apps, then the other. :) Step 4. Live happy in the knowledge that Time Machine backups for Apple work sooo much better then Entourage with it's one file for everything file system (especially when things fall over). Honestly,...I can say that Mail, Address Book and iCal all work better the Entourage did. And this is coming from someone that used Entourage since Office 2004 and before that Eudora. It took me a bit to move from Eudora to Entourage and it took me a bit to move from Entourage to Apple Mail. but I wouldn't go back now! (I was running both Entourage 2004 and Mail for the last 6 months getting used to it. Twice the work to look after both, but I could see the little things that needed adjusted and things that worked better or how to work them better. Plus I'm pedantic with getting it right the first time :o) All my folders came across, everything stayed intact. I know only have to look after Address Book and iCal (where as before I was doing both Address Book, iCal and Entourage's Address Book because sometimes the syncing fell over,...and when you have to go out to do a 9 hour job for a client to fix their fallen over Entourage Database problems,..you start to realise how bad a program it really is underneath.) Plus Mail, Address Book and iCal sync so much nicer with iDevices. Sorry,...I couldn't resist :)) Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** On 24/10/2011, at 10:05 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Michael, How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac http://connectedhq.com/blog/2011/05/24/how-to-sync-iphone-address-book- and-microsoft-entourage-for-mac/ Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 24/10/2011, at 8:51 PM, michael.hawkins michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au wrote: Thanks Ronni, I think at this stage I'll simply make sure that calendar entries are the same on the iPhone and on the computer, and, after a while, have a go at mastering contacts on the phone and contacts on the computer. As far as that goes, I haven't been able to resolve conflicts between Address Book and Entourage and Address Book and Outlook so I suspect it'll be a while before I attempt to do that between devices. It all started going wrong some years ago when I used Mark/Space and lost silent numbers that were listed on my phone but weren't in contacts in Entourage, or in Address Book. Although I have Pages for iOS, I'll continue to lug my laptop home rather than attempt to use my iPhone ofr word processing. Thanks again, your help is invaluable. Michael. - Original Message - From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Monday, 24 October, 2011 4:24:40 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro Hi Michael, On 24/10/2011, at 10:48 AM, Michael Hawkins wrote: Hi Ronni, My first concern with iCloud is whether or not I can control what is sent to and stored on iCloud. I personally, don’t sync ‘Documents Data’. I have iWork on my Mac, but I don’t have iWork for iOS (Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS), so I can’t see a reason why I would use this feature. At the moment I also don’t have ‘Photo Stream’ selected in System Preferences iCloud. Also on my iPad iPhone I have iCloud Backup
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Hi Daniel, If only there were a way to export from Outlook (part of Office for Mac 2011) in a form that Mail would recognise and import. Currently it only recognises Entourage which I dumped this year. To get it back I would have to reinstall Office 2008 (I think). Lloyd On 24/10/11 10:15 PM, Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote: How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac Step 1. Export everything from Entourage. Step 2. Import Everything into Apple Mail, Address Book, iCal. Step 3. Live happy in the knowledge that it all just works better (and syncs better), and is easier to keep updated across one set of Apps, then the other. :) Step 4. Live happy in the knowledge that Time Machine backups for Apple work sooo much better then Entourage with it's one file for everything file system (especially when things fall over). Honestly,...I can say that Mail, Address Book and iCal all work better the Entourage did. And this is coming from someone that used Entourage since Office 2004 and before that Eudora. It took me a bit to move from Eudora to Entourage and it took me a bit to move from Entourage to Apple Mail. but I wouldn't go back now! (I was running both Entourage 2004 and Mail for the last 6 months getting used to it. Twice the work to look after both, but I could see the little things that needed adjusted and things that worked better or how to work them better. Plus I'm pedantic with getting it right the first time :o) All my folders came across, everything stayed intact. I know only have to look after Address Book and iCal (where as before I was doing both Address Book, iCal and Entourage's Address Book because sometimes the syncing fell over,...and when you have to go out to do a 9 hour job for a client to fix their fallen over Entourage Database problems,..you start to realise how bad a program it really is underneath.) Plus Mail, Address Book and iCal sync so much nicer with iDevices. Sorry,...I couldn't resist :)) Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** On 24/10/2011, at 10:05 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Michael, How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac http://connectedhq.com/blog/2011/05/24/how-to-sync-iphone-address-book-a nd-microsoft-entourage-for-mac/ Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 24/10/2011, at 8:51 PM, michael.hawkins michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au wrote: Thanks Ronni, I think at this stage I'll simply make sure that calendar entries are the same on the iPhone and on the computer, and, after a while, have a go at mastering contacts on the phone and contacts on the computer. As far as that goes, I haven't been able to resolve conflicts between Address Book and Entourage and Address Book and Outlook so I suspect it'll be a while before I attempt to do that between devices. It all started going wrong some years ago when I used Mark/Space and lost silent numbers that were listed on my phone but weren't in contacts in Entourage, or in Address Book. Although I have Pages for iOS, I'll continue to lug my laptop home rather than attempt to use my iPhone ofr word processing. Thanks again, your help is invaluable. Michael. - Original Message - From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Monday, 24 October, 2011 4:24:40 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro Hi Michael, On 24/10/2011, at 10:48 AM, Michael Hawkins wrote: Hi Ronni, My first concern with iCloud is whether or not I can control what is sent to and stored on iCloud. I personally, don’t sync ‘Documents Data’. I have iWork on my Mac, but I don’t have iWork for iOS (Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS), so I can’t see a reason why I would use this feature. At the moment I also don’t have ‘Photo Stream’ selected in System Preferences iCloud. Also on my iPad iPhone I have iCloud Backup OFF: Settings iCloud Storage Backup - iCloud Backup is OFF I backup on my computer, and of course I have a good Backup Strategy backing up my computers. In other words, if when using Pages I save a document to a specified folder on my MacBook, will that document be automatically sent to and saved on iCloud? Do you have the iWork for iCloud apps? ( Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS) The way I read the documentation, you have to physically drag and drop any iWork ’09 or Microsoft Office document from your computer into one of the iWork apps on icloud.com, as explained below under “Documents in the Cloud”. I would not want that to happen. I want to choose what I send to iCloud, as I prefer to have information about matters I'm working on kept on a computer which is kept under lock and key in my office rather than on a server
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Hi Lloyd It is possible to get Outlook 2011 back to a format that Mail recognises but it's quite complicated and requires other paid software. I've done it for clients and got it to work no problems :) I've gotta have some tricks that keep me in a job :) lol :) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s (possibly dictated) --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 25/10/2011, at 9:48 AM, Lloyd White lloydwh...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Daniel, If only there were a way to export from Outlook (part of Office for Mac 2011) in a form that Mail would recognise and import. Currently it only recognises Entourage which I dumped this year. To get it back I would have to reinstall Office 2008 (I think). Lloyd On 24/10/11 10:15 PM, Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote: How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac Step 1. Export everything from Entourage. Step 2. Import Everything into Apple Mail, Address Book, iCal. Step 3. Live happy in the knowledge that it all just works better (and syncs better), and is easier to keep updated across one set of Apps, then the other. :) Step 4. Live happy in the knowledge that Time Machine backups for Apple work sooo much better then Entourage with it's one file for everything file system (especially when things fall over). Honestly,...I can say that Mail, Address Book and iCal all work better the Entourage did. And this is coming from someone that used Entourage since Office 2004 and before that Eudora. It took me a bit to move from Eudora to Entourage and it took me a bit to move from Entourage to Apple Mail. but I wouldn't go back now! (I was running both Entourage 2004 and Mail for the last 6 months getting used to it. Twice the work to look after both, but I could see the little things that needed adjusted and things that worked better or how to work them better. Plus I'm pedantic with getting it right the first time :o) All my folders came across, everything stayed intact. I know only have to look after Address Book and iCal (where as before I was doing both Address Book, iCal and Entourage's Address Book because sometimes the syncing fell over,...and when you have to go out to do a 9 hour job for a client to fix their fallen over Entourage Database problems,..you start to realise how bad a program it really is underneath.) Plus Mail, Address Book and iCal sync so much nicer with iDevices. Sorry,...I couldn't resist :)) Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** On 24/10/2011, at 10:05 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Michael, How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac http://connectedhq.com/blog/2011/05/24/how-to-sync-iphone-address-book-a nd-microsoft-entourage-for-mac/ Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 24/10/2011, at 8:51 PM, michael.hawkins michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au wrote: Thanks Ronni, I think at this stage I'll simply make sure that calendar entries are the same on the iPhone and on the computer, and, after a while, have a go at mastering contacts on the phone and contacts on the computer. As far as that goes, I haven't been able to resolve conflicts between Address Book and Entourage and Address Book and Outlook so I suspect it'll be a while before I attempt to do that between devices. It all started going wrong some years ago when I used Mark/Space and lost silent numbers that were listed on my phone but weren't in contacts in Entourage, or in Address Book. Although I have Pages for iOS, I'll continue to lug my laptop home rather than attempt to use my iPhone ofr word processing. Thanks again, your help is invaluable. Michael. - Original Message - From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Monday, 24 October, 2011 4:24:40 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro Hi Michael, On 24/10/2011, at 10:48 AM, Michael Hawkins wrote: Hi Ronni, My first concern with iCloud is whether or not I can control what is sent to and stored on iCloud. I personally, don’t sync ‘Documents Data’. I have iWork on my Mac, but I don’t have iWork for iOS (Keynote for iOS, Pages for iOS, Numbers for iOS), so I can’t see a reason why I would use this feature. At the moment I also don’t have ‘Photo Stream’ selected in System Preferences iCloud. Also on my iPad iPhone I have iCloud Backup OFF: Settings iCloud Storage Backup - iCloud Backup is OFF I backup on my computer, and of course I have a good Backup Strategy backing up my computers. In other words, if when using Pages I save a document to a specified folder on my
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Yeh I have a very large and exact/precise folder structure for clients, suppliers, other folders. All with Mail going back for years. The structure all stayed and works very well. :) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s (possibly dictated) --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 25/10/2011, at 9:38 AM, Michael Hawkins michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au wrote: My added wrinkle is that I've been trying to move from Entourage to Outlook (as in Office 2011) and now to Mail. I put my faith in MicroSoft for the transition from Entourage to Outlook. I've found that Entourage was much easier to use than Outlook for things such as setting up folders so emails would be filed where they belong. Call me old fashioned but I find it much easier to try and arrange correspondence as if it is letters kept in a file for a client (new file for each matter) with the files stored in a filing cabinet. Regards, Michael. -Original Message- From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Reply-To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 06:11:46 +0800 To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro Hey Daniel, How many years have I been saying you should move from Entourage to Apple Mail? ;-) Did it take Apple Mail in Lion to finally convince you to? Mail, Address Book iCal all work beautifully together ... All generic Apple Applications! Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 24/10/2011, at 10:15 PM, Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote: How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac Step 1. Export everything from Entourage. Step 2. Import Everything into Apple Mail, Address Book, iCal. Step 3. Live happy in the knowledge that it all just works better (and syncs better), and is easier to keep updated across one set of Apps, then the other. :) Step 4. Live happy in the knowledge that Time Machine backups for Apple work sooo much better then Entourage with it's one file for everything file system (especially when things fall over). Honestly,...I can say that Mail, Address Book and iCal all work better the Entourage did. And this is coming from someone that used Entourage since Office 2004 and before that Eudora. It took me a bit to move from Eudora to Entourage and it took me a bit to move from Entourage to Apple Mail. but I wouldn't go back now! (I was running both Entourage 2004 and Mail for the last 6 months getting used to it. Twice the work to look after both, but I could see the little things that needed adjusted and things that worked better or how to work them better. Plus I'm pedantic with getting it right the first time :o) All my folders came across, everything stayed intact. I know only have to look after Address Book and iCal (where as before I was doing both Address Book, iCal and Entourage's Address Book because sometimes the syncing fell over,...and when you have to go out to do a 9 hour job for a client to fix their fallen over Entourage Database problems,..you start to realise how bad a program it really is underneath.) Plus Mail, Address Book and iCal sync so much nicer with iDevices. Sorry,...I couldn't resist :)) Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** On 24/10/2011, at 10:05 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Michael, How to Sync iPhone Address Book and Microsoft Entourage For Mac http://connectedhq.com/blog/2011/05/24/how-to-sync-iphone-address-book- and-microsoft-entourage-for-mac/ Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 24/10/2011, at 8:51 PM, michael.hawkins michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au wrote: Thanks Ronni, I think at this stage I'll simply make sure that calendar entries are the same on the iPhone and on the computer, and, after a while, have a go at mastering contacts on the phone and contacts on the computer. As far as that goes, I haven't been able to resolve conflicts between Address Book and Entourage and Address Book and Outlook so I suspect it'll be a while before I attempt to do that between devices. It all started going wrong some years ago when I used Mark/Space and lost silent numbers that were listed on my phone but weren't in contacts in Entourage, or in Address Book. Although I have Pages for iOS, I'll continue to lug my laptop home rather than attempt to use my iPhone ofr word processing. Thanks again, your help is invaluable. Michael. - Original Message - From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Monday, 24 October, 2011 4:24:40 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between
Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro
Hi Michael, How have you setup syncing? Have you setup iCloud on your Mac to Sync Mail, Contacts, Calendars, Reminders, Bookmarks, Notes (Photo Stream if you want it), Documents Data, Back to My Mac Find my Mac in System Preferences ,and then after you received the message “Now setup your Devices” (or similar) iCloud on your iPhone 4S to sync the same? If you are syncing using iCloud, DON’T have syncing of these items in iTunes (Turn them OFF in iTunes) otherwise you will end up with duplicates. You sync from the Cloud … “iCloud”! In iTunes you only sync what iCloud doesn’t … example: Music, Movies, TV Shows, etc Cheers, Ronni 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD OS X 10.7.2 Lion Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance) On 23/10/2011, at 1:44 PM, Michael Hawkins wrote: I want to merge the information I have on my iPhone 4S with the information on my MacBook Pro. How can I set things up so that that happens, rather than having one device overriding the other and deleting whatever is different in the process? MacBook Pro 2.4 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo 6 GB 667 Mhz DDR2 SDRAM OS 10.7.2 iPhone 4S iOS 5.0 (9A334) Modern Firmware 1.0.11 iCloud has left me in a fog. Regards and thanks in advance, Michael Hawkins. Go the Mighty AB's! -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Ronni, I couldn't work out what the warning from Apple meant - the one that says all will be lost and I'll be doomed if in the future I stop using iCloud. I'm very, very reluctant to become a hostage to any service provider or storage host, and I'm even more reluctant to store client information on a cloud. For all I know the server (cloud) could be hosted by Colonel Gaddafi! And so I was conservative and only attempted to sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders and took care to stay away from Documents Data: there was no way I was going lo have them removed from my computer and become inaccessible if I stopped using iCloud. It also seemed to me that Apple set things up so that the device with the most recent information upon it over-rode the device with older information on it. Some of my data goes back to the mid-nineties, especially email addresses. I don't want to risk losing those. Regards, A happy but relieved All Black supporter but didn't the French play well, Michael. On 23/10/2011, at 2:25 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Michael, How have you setup syncing? Have you setup iCloud on your Mac to Sync Mail, Contacts, Calendars, Reminders, Bookmarks, Notes (Photo Stream if you want it), Documents Data, Back to My Mac Find my Mac in System Preferences ,and then after you received the message “Now setup your Devices” (or similar) iCloud on your iPhone 4S to sync the same? If you are syncing using iCloud, DON’T have syncing of these items in iTunes (Turn them OFF in iTunes) otherwise you will end up with duplicates. You sync from the Cloud … “iCloud”! In iTunes you only sync what iCloud doesn’t … example: Music, Movies, TV Shows, etc Cheers, Ronni 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD OS X 10.7.2 Lion Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance) On 23/10/2011, at 1:44 PM, Michael Hawkins wrote: I want to merge the information I have on my iPhone 4S with the information on my MacBook Pro. How can I set things up so that that happens, rather than having one device overriding the other and deleting whatever is different in the process? MacBook Pro 2.4 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo 6 GB 667 Mhz DDR2 SDRAM OS 10.7.2 iPhone 4S iOS 5.0 (9A334) Modern Firmware 1.0.11 iCloud has left me in a fog. Regards and thanks in advance, Michael Hawkins. Go the Mighty AB's! -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro
Hi Michael, No-one is forcing you to use iCloud, you don’t have to use if it you don’t wish to, it’s entirely your choice. I don’t think you understand what iCloud is. I have used iTools, Dot Mac, MobileMe and now the new version of Apple’s Sync/share services iCloud, to sync my Mail Notes, Contacts, Calendars, Bookmarks, use Back to My Mac Find My Mac. So my MBP, iPad iPhone 4S are all in sync in ‘real time’. Any change I make on any device immediately shows on all my other devices. What is iCloud?: iCloud is a web-based offering from Apple that allows users to share music and other kinds of data among their compatible devices using a centralised iCloud account as the conduit for the sharing. It is the name for a collection of apps and services, not of a single function. All iCloud accounts have 5GB of storage by default. Music, photos, apps, and books do not count against that 5GB limit. Only Camera Roll (photos not included in Photo Stream), mail, documents, account info, settings, and app data count against the 5GB cap. How Does It Work?: To use iCloud, users must have an iTunes account. When certain kinds of data are added or updated on compatible devices, they will be automatically uploaded to the user’s iCloud account and then automatically downloaded to the user’s other devices. In this way, iCloud is both a storage tool and a system to keep all your data in sync across multiple devices. With iTunes : When it comes to music, iCloud allows users to automatically sync songs to their compatible devices. First, when you purchase music from the iTunes Store, it is downloaded onto the device you bought it on. When the download is complete, the song is then automatically synced to all of the other devices using the iTunes account via iCloud. Each device will also show a list of all songs purchased via that iTunes account in the past and allow the user to download them, free of charge, to their other devices by clicking a button. All songs will be 256K AAC files. This feature supports up to 10 devices. Apple is referring to these features as 'iTunes in the Cloud.’ With Photos : Using a feature called Photo Stream, photos taken on one device will be automatically uploaded to iCloud and then pushed down to other devices. This feature will work on Mac, PC, iOS, and the Apple TV. It stores the last 1,000 photos on your device and your iCloud account, though the iCloud account retains the photos for only 30 days. No word yet on what happens to them after that. With iBooks : As with other kinds of files, iBooks books can be downloaded to all compatible devices without an extra fee. Using iCloud, iBooks files can be bookmarked so you’re reading from the same place in the book on all devices. With Apps: You’ll be able to see a list of all the apps you’ve purchased via the iTunes account being used with iCloud. Then, on other devices that don’t have those apps installed, you’ll be able to download those apps free or charge. With Documents: With an iCloud account, when you create or edit documents in compatible apps, the document will automatically upload to iCloud and then sync to all devices also running those apps. Apple’s Pages, Keynote, and Numbers apps include this feature already. Third-party developers will be able to add it to their apps. Apple is referring to this feature as 'Documents in the Cloud.’ With Data : Compatible devices will automatically backup music, iBooks, apps, settings, photos, and app data to iCloud over Wi-Fi every day. ICloud also includes a calendar-sharing feature, automatic syncing of contacts in the address books of all compatible devices, and automatic syncing of email messages for devices using Apple’s @me.com email accounts. For New Devices: Since iCloud will have a backup of these files, you will be able to easily download them to new devices when you purchase them. This includes apps and music, but does not require an additional purchase. With Email, Calendars, and Contacts: Since iCloud replaces Apple’s previous MobileMe service, iCloud also offers a number of the web-based apps that MobileMe did. These include web versions of email, address book, and calendar programs that can be accessed through a web browser and will be up to date with any data backed up to iCloud. For all I know the server (cloud) could be hosted by Colonel Gaddafi! I don’t think Gaddafi will be hosting anything where he has gone! Cheers, Ronni 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD OS X 10.7.2 Lion Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance) On 23/10/2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Hawkins wrote: Hi Ronni, I couldn't work out what the warning from Apple meant - the one that says all will be lost and I'll be doomed if in the future I stop using iCloud. I'm very, very reluctant to become a hostage to any service provider or storage host, and I'm even more reluctant to store client information on
Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro
It's an interesting argument. I was wondering how useful iCloud really is if you aren't always in an area saturated with WiFi? What if you're travelling this wide brown land, with WiFi network access once a week? How well does it work? Is iCloud even useful? What if you can't get better than ADSL1 down the wire to your house? If someone could comment on all or some of the above I would be grateful. regards, Robin On 23/10/2011, at 8:52 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Michael, No-one is forcing you to use iCloud, you don’t have to use if it you don’t wish to, it’s entirely your choice. I don’t think you understand what iCloud is. I have used iTools, Dot Mac, MobileMe and now the new version of Apple’s Sync/share services iCloud, to sync my Mail Notes, Contacts, Calendars, Bookmarks, use Back to My Mac Find My Mac. So my MBP, iPad iPhone 4S are all in sync in ‘real time’. Any change I make on any device immediately shows on all my other devices. What is iCloud?: iCloud is a web-based offering from Apple that allows users to share music and other kinds of data among their compatible devices using a centralised iCloud account as the conduit for the sharing. It is the name for a collection of apps and services, not of a single function. All iCloud accounts have 5GB of storage by default. Music, photos, apps, and books do not count against that 5GB limit. Only Camera Roll (photos not included in Photo Stream), mail, documents, account info, settings, and app data count against the 5GB cap. How Does It Work?: To use iCloud, users must have an iTunes account. When certain kinds of data are added or updated on compatible devices, they will be automatically uploaded to the user’s iCloud account and then automatically downloaded to the user’s other devices. In this way, iCloud is both a storage tool and a system to keep all your data in sync across multiple devices. With iTunes : When it comes to music, iCloud allows users to automatically sync songs to their compatible devices. First, when you purchase music from the iTunes Store, it is downloaded onto the device you bought it on. When the download is complete, the song is then automatically synced to all of the other devices using the iTunes account via iCloud. Each device will also show a list of all songs purchased via that iTunes account in the past and allow the user to download them, free of charge, to their other devices by clicking a button. All songs will be 256K AAC files. This feature supports up to 10 devices. Apple is referring to these features as 'iTunes in the Cloud.’ With Photos : Using a feature called Photo Stream, photos taken on one device will be automatically uploaded to iCloud and then pushed down to other devices. This feature will work on Mac, PC, iOS, and the Apple TV. It stores the last 1,000 photos on your device and your iCloud account, though the iCloud account retains the photos for only 30 days. No word yet on what happens to them after that. With iBooks : As with other kinds of files, iBooks books can be downloaded to all compatible devices without an extra fee. Using iCloud, iBooks files can be bookmarked so you’re reading from the same place in the book on all devices. With Apps: You’ll be able to see a list of all the apps you’ve purchased via the iTunes account being used with iCloud. Then, on other devices that don’t have those apps installed, you’ll be able to download those apps free or charge. With Documents: With an iCloud account, when you create or edit documents in compatible apps, the document will automatically upload to iCloud and then sync to all devices also running those apps. Apple’s Pages, Keynote, and Numbers apps include this feature already. Third-party developers will be able to add it to their apps. Apple is referring to this feature as 'Documents in the Cloud.’ With Data : Compatible devices will automatically backup music, iBooks, apps, settings, photos, and app data to iCloud over Wi-Fi every day. ICloud also includes a calendar-sharing feature, automatic syncing of contacts in the address books of all compatible devices, and automatic syncing of email messages for devices using Apple’s @me.com email accounts. For New Devices: Since iCloud will have a backup of these files, you will be able to easily download them to new devices when you purchase them. This includes apps and music, but does not require an additional purchase. With Email, Calendars, and Contacts: Since iCloud replaces Apple’s previous MobileMe service, iCloud also offers a number of the web-based apps that MobileMe did. These include web versions of email, address book, and calendar programs that can be accessed through a web browser and will be up to date with any data backed up to iCloud. For all I know the server (cloud) could be hosted by Colonel Gaddafi! I don’t
Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro
Hi Robin, I also live where I can’t get ADSL2 and I travel around in this beautiful country of ours. With previous MobileMe now iCloud all my devices (Mac, iPhone iPad) are kept in sync. iCloud works on Wi-Fi 3G: Everything you choose to sync will automatically be sent over the Internet to your free iCloud account and then out to all of your iCloud-connected devices. Example: Create a new appointment on your iPhone's calendar, for example, and this is pushed up to iCloud via 3G or Wi-Fi and then bounced along to ensure the calendar on your Mac or iPad is updated accordingly. Cheers, Ronni On 23/10/2011, at 8:57 PM, Robin Belford wrote: It's an interesting argument. I was wondering how useful iCloud really is if you aren't always in an area saturated with WiFi? What if you're travelling this wide brown land, with WiFi network access once a week? How well does it work? Is iCloud even useful? What if you can't get better than ADSL1 down the wire to your house? If someone could comment on all or some of the above I would be grateful. regards, Robin On 23/10/2011, at 8:52 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Michael, No-one is forcing you to use iCloud, you don’t have to use if it you don’t wish to, it’s entirely your choice. I don’t think you understand what iCloud is. I have used iTools, Dot Mac, MobileMe and now the new version of Apple’s Sync/share services iCloud, to sync my Mail Notes, Contacts, Calendars, Bookmarks, use Back to My Mac Find My Mac. So my MBP, iPad iPhone 4S are all in sync in ‘real time’. Any change I make on any device immediately shows on all my other devices. What is iCloud?: iCloud is a web-based offering from Apple that allows users to share music and other kinds of data among their compatible devices using a centralised iCloud account as the conduit for the sharing. It is the name for a collection of apps and services, not of a single function. All iCloud accounts have 5GB of storage by default. Music, photos, apps, and books do not count against that 5GB limit. Only Camera Roll (photos not included in Photo Stream), mail, documents, account info, settings, and app data count against the 5GB cap. How Does It Work?: To use iCloud, users must have an iTunes account. When certain kinds of data are added or updated on compatible devices, they will be automatically uploaded to the user’s iCloud account and then automatically downloaded to the user’s other devices. In this way, iCloud is both a storage tool and a system to keep all your data in sync across multiple devices. With iTunes : When it comes to music, iCloud allows users to automatically sync songs to their compatible devices. First, when you purchase music from the iTunes Store, it is downloaded onto the device you bought it on. When the download is complete, the song is then automatically synced to all of the other devices using the iTunes account via iCloud. Each device will also show a list of all songs purchased via that iTunes account in the past and allow the user to download them, free of charge, to their other devices by clicking a button. All songs will be 256K AAC files. This feature supports up to 10 devices. Apple is referring to these features as 'iTunes in the Cloud.’ With Photos : Using a feature called Photo Stream, photos taken on one device will be automatically uploaded to iCloud and then pushed down to other devices. This feature will work on Mac, PC, iOS, and the Apple TV. It stores the last 1,000 photos on your device and your iCloud account, though the iCloud account retains the photos for only 30 days. No word yet on what happens to them after that. With iBooks : As with other kinds of files, iBooks books can be downloaded to all compatible devices without an extra fee. Using iCloud, iBooks files can be bookmarked so you’re reading from the same place in the book on all devices. With Apps: You’ll be able to see a list of all the apps you’ve purchased via the iTunes account being used with iCloud. Then, on other devices that don’t have those apps installed, you’ll be able to download those apps free or charge. With Documents: With an iCloud account, when you create or edit documents in compatible apps, the document will automatically upload to iCloud and then sync to all devices also running those apps. Apple’s Pages, Keynote, and Numbers apps include this feature already. Third-party developers will be able to add it to their apps. Apple is referring to this feature as 'Documents in the Cloud.’ With Data : Compatible devices will automatically backup music, iBooks, apps, settings, photos, and app data to iCloud over Wi-Fi every day. ICloud also includes a calendar-sharing feature, automatic syncing of contacts in the address books of all compatible devices, and automatic syncing of email messages for devices using Apple’s @me.com
Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro
Hi Ronni, My first concern with iCloud is whether or not I can control what is sent to and stored on iCloud. In other words, if when using Pages I save a document to a specified folder on my MacBook, will that document be automatically sent to and saved on iCloud? I would not want that to happen. I want to choose what I send to iCloud, as I prefer to have information about matters I'm working on kept on a computer which is kept under lock and key in my office rather than on a server located who-knows-where, and potentially accessible by any-one with hacking skills. My second concern is the loss of data and documents stored on iCloud if I cease to subscribe to iCloud. Apple's warning about that is followed by the assurance that the data and documents would be available on other devices which are connected to iCloud (including any device I reconnect to iCloud). That indicates to me that the documents and data are removed from (or never saved) on any device used to connect to iCloud. Have I misunderstood things? Regards, Michael Hawkins. -Original Message- From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Reply-To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:52:15 +0800 To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Subject: Re: Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro Hi Michael, No-one is forcing you to use iCloud, you don¹t have to use if it you don¹t wish to, it¹s entirely your choice. I don¹t think you understand what iCloud is. I have used iTools, Dot Mac, MobileMe and now the new version of Apple¹s Sync/share services iCloud, to sync my Mail Notes, Contacts, Calendars, Bookmarks, use Back to My Mac Find My Mac. So my MBP, iPad iPhone 4S are all in sync in real time¹. Any change I make on any device immediately shows on all my other devices. (SNIP) How Does It Work?: To use iCloud, users must have an iTunes account. When certain kinds of data are added or updated on compatible devices, they will be automatically uploaded to the user¹s iCloud account and then automatically downloaded to the user¹s other devices. In this way, iCloud is both a storage tool and a system to keep all your data in sync across multiple devices. (SNIP) With Documents: With an iCloud account, when you create or edit documents in compatible apps, the document will automatically upload to iCloud and then sync to all devices also running those apps. Apple¹s Pages, Keynote, and Numbers apps include this feature already. Third-party developers will be able to add it to their apps. Apple is referring to this feature as 'Documents in the Cloud.¹ With Data : Compatible devices will automatically backup music, iBooks, apps, settings, photos, and app data to iCloud over Wi-Fi every day. ICloud also includes a calendar-sharing feature, automatic syncing of contacts in the address books of all compatible devices, and automatic syncing of email messages for devices using Apple¹s @me.com email accounts. (SNIP) For all I know the server (cloud) could be hosted by Colonel Gaddafi! I don¹t think Gaddafi will be hosting anything where he has gone! Cheers, Ronni 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 ³Thunderbolt 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD OS X 10.7.2 Lion Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance) On 23/10/2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Hawkins wrote: Hi Ronni, I couldn't work out what the warning from Apple meant - the one that says all will be lost and I'll be doomed if in the future I stop using iCloud. I'm very, very reluctant to become a hostage to any service provider or storage host, and I'm even more reluctant to store client information on a cloud. For all I know the server (cloud) could be hosted by Colonel Gaddafi! And so I was conservative and only attempted to sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders and took care to stay away from Documents Data: there was no way I was going lo have them removed from my computer and become inaccessible if I stopped using iCloud. It also seemed to me that Apple set things up so that the device with the most recent information upon it over-rode the device with older information on it. Some of my data goes back to the mid-nineties, especially email addresses. I don't want to risk losing those. Regards, A happy but relieved All Black supporter but didn't the French play well, Michael. On 23/10/2011, at 2:25 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Michael, How have you setup syncing? Have you setup iCloud on your Mac to Sync Mail, Contacts, Calendars, Reminders, Bookmarks, Notes (Photo Stream if you want it), Documents Data, Back to My Mac Find my Mac in System Preferences ,and then after you received the message ³Now setup your Devices² (or similar) iCloud on your iPhone 4S to sync the same? If you are syncing using iCloud, DON¹T have syncing of these items in iTunes (Turn them OFF in iTunes) otherwise you will end up with duplicates. You sync from the Cloud ³iCloud²! In iTunes you only sync what iCloud doesn¹t
Sync Contacts, Calendars and Reminders between iPhone 4S and MacBook Pro
I want to merge the information I have on my iPhone 4S with the information on my MacBook Pro. How can I set things up so that that happens, rather than having one device overriding the other and deleting whatever is different in the process? MacBook Pro 2.4 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo 6 GB 667 Mhz DDR2 SDRAM OS 10.7.2 iPhone 4S iOS 5.0 (9A334) Modern Firmware 1.0.11 iCloud has left me in a fog. Regards and thanks in advance, Michael Hawkins. Go the Mighty AB's! -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
