iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Hi Ronni, success and partial failure. The Mon library worked perfectly and iPhoto opened, upgraded etc. Anticipating a failure on the Matt library, I didn't copy that one across until I had achieved the success with the Mon library. I then did the Matt library and it failed in the same manner as I have outlined over the last week or so, The photo library needs to be upgraded to work with this version of iPhoto, so I shut it down. I then went back to see if iPhoto would still open the new, Mon library, which it did. I then diced the old Mon library, From the Home Folder/Pictures and installed the new Mon library in the same location. I again fired up iPhoto and the Mon library is now working in it! As I had mentioned previously the Matt library was a partially recovered library from the previous mess up about 2 months ago and i found another Matt full library in Aperture. Once I had iPhoto up and running I checked to see if I could access Aperture in iPhoto by pressing the Option key at launch. I did this and selected the Aperture library and once it was running in iPhoto I checked it for completeness, which it was. I then determined that the cause of the problem had to be the iPhoto Matt Library, not just because it failed in the first import and upgrade, but it must have been corrupt before that, as when I bought the two new libraries across today, one worked instantly under the new conditions (Mon), the other repeated the same failure pattern (Matt). So I diced both the Matt Libraries, the one I copied across and the one I had in Home Folder/Pictures. (In case I was rash I still have a copy of it on the ext HD backup). I think I will leave things as they are as I still have all my photo's and once I learn how to access them through the Aperture-iPhoto transfer, I will have access to the Matt file in iPhoto which is what I wanted in the first place 2 months ago. The only thing I am unsure of is when to do a backup? Thanks very much again for all your help. Rest assured after this lot I don't intend to do any upgrades for a very long time! Take care. Matt On 18/08/2012, at 12:00 PM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au wrote: Message: 2 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:40:25 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: f64cf5e6-20ae-4ca3-937f-1c8e5f9aa...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, Comment in situ below. On 17/08/2012, at 12:04 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, thanks for the reply. I thought I would answer the two questions before I follow all the instructions, even though it probably makes sense to do what you suggest anyway, but being cautious I will wait. 1. Both these iPhoto Library's on your iMac (Lion - iPhoto 9.3.2) failed to Upgrade in iPhoto and therefore won't open in iPhoto? - Yes. 2.Both these iPhoto Library's on your MBP (Lion - iPhoto 9.3.2) have upgraded in iPhoto and therefore open correctly in iPhoto? - No. The MPB has one entirely separate library. I only mentioned it as a point of reference to show that I had followed your instructions carefully, completely and successfully two days earlier and iPhoto worked. Then I did the exact same two days later and iPhoto failed. The only time anything from the MBP library has been in contact with either of the iMac Libraries, was an import of one event to the Matt library. I have trashed the Test iPhoto Library. The App store issue fixed itself when 10.8 installed itself, as I expected it to do, that is how I was able to run the Software Updates after the installation. Do you want me to still carry on with the same instructions? Yes, if what you have mentioned previously is correct. You mention you have a backup of your MBP that has these two iPhoto (working) Library's on it. Cheers, Ronni On 15/08/2012, at 4:56 PM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au wrote: Message: 1 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:07:43 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: 1d8f846c-bc2c-42d0-a198-90d3dac87...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Ok Matt, From the information you have now given below, this is my understanding... is it correct please? 1. Both these iPhoto Library's on your iMac (Lion - iPhoto 9.3.2) failed to Upgrade in iPhoto and therefore won't open in iPhoto? 2.Both these iPhoto Library's on your MBP (Lion - iPhoto 9.3.2) have upgraded in iPhoto and therefore open correctly in iPhoto? If this is the situation, let's look at trying to solve this another way. You mention you have a backup of your MBP that has these two iPhoto (working) Library's on it. What I suggest you do is: A) First trash the Test iPhoto Library on your iMac. B
iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Hi Ronni, thanks for the reply. I thought I would answer the two questions before I follow all the instructions, even though it probably makes sense to do what you suggest anyway, but being cautious I will wait. 1. Both these iPhoto Library's on your iMac (Lion - iPhoto 9.3.2) failed to Upgrade in iPhoto and therefore won't open in iPhoto? - Yes. 2.Both these iPhoto Library's on your MBP (Lion - iPhoto 9.3.2) have upgraded in iPhoto and therefore open correctly in iPhoto? - No. The MPB has one entirely separate library. I only mentioned it as a point of reference to show that I had followed your instructions carefully, completely and successfully two days earlier and iPhoto worked. Then I did the exact same two days later and iPhoto failed. The only time anything from the MBP library has been in contact with either of the iMac Libraries, was an import of one event to the Matt library. I have trashed the Test iPhoto Library. The App store issue fixed itself when 10.8 installed itself, as I expected it to do, that is how I was able to run the Software Updates after the installation. Do you want me to still carry on with the same instructions? Take care. Matt On 15/08/2012, at 4:56 PM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au wrote: Message: 1 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:07:43 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: 1d8f846c-bc2c-42d0-a198-90d3dac87...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Ok Matt, From the information you have now given below, this is my understanding... is it correct please? 1. Both these iPhoto Library's on your iMac (Lion - iPhoto 9.3.2) failed to Upgrade in iPhoto and therefore won't open in iPhoto? 2.Both these iPhoto Library's on your MBP (Lion - iPhoto 9.3.2) have upgraded in iPhoto and therefore open correctly in iPhoto? If this is the situation, let's look at trying to solve this another way. You mention you have a backup of your MBP that has these two iPhoto (working) Library's on it. What I suggest you do is: A) First trash the Test iPhoto Library on your iMac. B) Quit iPhoto.app if it is open 1. Copy the two iPhoto Library's from the SuperDuper backup of the MBP to your Main Hard Drive on iMac to (a different folder than the current iPhoto Library's). (i.e don't place them in your Home Folder Pictures where you currently have your iPhoto Library's) 2. Do a File Get Info on both these Library's and check you have Open with iPhoto.app and sharing Permissions: matt (Me) has 'Read Write' access 3. Open each Library with iPhoto.app Hold down the option (or alt) key and launch iPhoto. From the resulting Window Menu select 'Choose Library' Make sure you choose one of the Library's you have just copied to your Hard Drive... To be sure you select the correct Library, the location of the Library you select will show under the Window Menu 3. It will open and update the Library (and 'hopefully' open correctly) If it works, drag the damaged Library's to the Trash and put each of the 'new' Library's in their place (Home Folder Pictures) 4. Check that both of the 'new' Library's open correctly and everything is there. 5. If so you can Empty the trash. More comments in situ below: On 14/08/2012, at 10:40 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, No I realise you are busy and have no problems waiting, I will be busy, as I referred in my post to Adrian, down at PMH with my daughter for the next 2 days so I wont be doing anything on the computer anyway, so there is no rush. Now, I did not set up Aperture and iPhoto. It is just that after losing virtually all of the photo's I had in iPhoto Library Matt, when I did the upgrade about 2 months or so ago, (that Matt library is now 7.34GB and was 37.85GB - It was good fortune that a few days later I found I had a copy of it sitting in Aperture, otherwise 30GB of photo's would have been lost), I read that if I upgraded from 10.6.8 to 10.8 then the Matt photo's that I now have in Aperture could be accessed in iPhoto. I did not merge any libraries or interfere with any App's. I had had an on ongoing problem trying to get access to the App store for a couple of years on my iMac, this is where this installation is occurring, so I had to redownload 10.8 on my MBP, stick it on a USB stick and run the software update from it to the iMac. I then Repaired Permissions and Ran Software Update. We need to fix this issue in another Subject Post to WAMUG. As the whole update was about Aperture and iPhoto, I started on them in alphabetical order. I opened Aperture and ran its library upgrade and everything worked out fine, without a hitch. I then went to do the same to iPhoto and have posted the results. I did not merge the Aperture Library with either
Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Hi Matt, Comment in situ below. On 17/08/2012, at 12:04 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, thanks for the reply. I thought I would answer the two questions before I follow all the instructions, even though it probably makes sense to do what you suggest anyway, but being cautious I will wait. 1. Both these iPhoto Library's on your iMac (Lion - iPhoto 9.3.2) failed to Upgrade in iPhoto and therefore won't open in iPhoto? - Yes. 2.Both these iPhoto Library's on your MBP (Lion - iPhoto 9.3.2) have upgraded in iPhoto and therefore open correctly in iPhoto? - No. The MPB has one entirely separate library. I only mentioned it as a point of reference to show that I had followed your instructions carefully, completely and successfully two days earlier and iPhoto worked. Then I did the exact same two days later and iPhoto failed. The only time anything from the MBP library has been in contact with either of the iMac Libraries, was an import of one event to the Matt library. I have trashed the Test iPhoto Library. The App store issue fixed itself when 10.8 installed itself, as I expected it to do, that is how I was able to run the Software Updates after the installation. Do you want me to still carry on with the same instructions? Yes, if what you have mentioned previously is correct. You mention you have a backup of your MBP that has these two iPhoto (working) Library's on it. Cheers, Ronni On 15/08/2012, at 4:56 PM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au wrote: Message: 1 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:07:43 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: 1d8f846c-bc2c-42d0-a198-90d3dac87...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Ok Matt, From the information you have now given below, this is my understanding... is it correct please? 1. Both these iPhoto Library's on your iMac (Lion - iPhoto 9.3.2) failed to Upgrade in iPhoto and therefore won't open in iPhoto? 2.Both these iPhoto Library's on your MBP (Lion - iPhoto 9.3.2) have upgraded in iPhoto and therefore open correctly in iPhoto? If this is the situation, let's look at trying to solve this another way. You mention you have a backup of your MBP that has these two iPhoto (working) Library's on it. What I suggest you do is: A) First trash the Test iPhoto Library on your iMac. B) Quit iPhoto.app if it is open 1. Copy the two iPhoto Library's from the SuperDuper backup of the MBP to your Main Hard Drive on iMac to (a different folder than the current iPhoto Library's). (i.e don't place them in your Home Folder Pictures where you currently have your iPhoto Library's) 2. Do a File Get Info on both these Library's and check you have Open with iPhoto.app and sharing Permissions: matt (Me) has 'Read Write' access 3. Open each Library with iPhoto.app Hold down the option (or alt) key and launch iPhoto. From the resulting Window Menu select 'Choose Library' Make sure you choose one of the Library's you have just copied to your Hard Drive... To be sure you select the correct Library, the location of the Library you select will show under the Window Menu 3. It will open and update the Library (and 'hopefully' open correctly) If it works, drag the damaged Library's to the Trash and put each of the 'new' Library's in their place (Home Folder Pictures) 4. Check that both of the 'new' Library's open correctly and everything is there. 5. If so you can Empty the trash. More comments in situ below: On 14/08/2012, at 10:40 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, No I realise you are busy and have no problems waiting, I will be busy, as I referred in my post to Adrian, down at PMH with my daughter for the next 2 days so I wont be doing anything on the computer anyway, so there is no rush. Now, I did not set up Aperture and iPhoto. It is just that after losing virtually all of the photo's I had in iPhoto Library Matt, when I did the upgrade about 2 months or so ago, (that Matt library is now 7.34GB and was 37.85GB - It was good fortune that a few days later I found I had a copy of it sitting in Aperture, otherwise 30GB of photo's would have been lost), I read that if I upgraded from 10.6.8 to 10.8 then the Matt photo's that I now have in Aperture could be accessed in iPhoto. I did not merge any libraries or interfere with any App's. I had had an on ongoing problem trying to get access to the App store for a couple of years on my iMac, this is where this installation is occurring, so I had to redownload 10.8 on my MBP, stick it on a USB stick and run the software update from it to the iMac. I then Repaired Permissions and Ran Software Update. We need to fix this issue in another Subject Post to WAMUG. As the whole update was about
Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
misleading and costly. All the Library's; Aperture iPhoto since upgrading have the 'Flower icons'. The iPhoto.app icon is still the 'Ocean View Palm tree' I don't have Aperture installed but I image it's Application icon has not changed either. I noticed on the link that is says that I can open iPhoto libraries in Aperture, but as Aperture is working and iPhoto is not I am loath to try this, as a bird in the hand. I hope that covers everything. I am amazed at the difference in the installation between the two computers. I did the MBP first and the iMac two days later and it is as if I have installed two different systems. Something must have been amiss with the iMac's system prior to doing the upgrade to Lion, or something with the Lion upgrade. Thanks for your ongoing help. You're welcome. Matt Cheers, Ronni On 14/08/2012, at 5:34 PM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au wrote: Message: 3 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:27:19 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: c323fde1-9323-4f0b-9e86-e71bd4d24...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, I haven't forgotten about you. I'm a bit under the pump at the moment work wise (no time to sleep or eat... (Daniel Kerr Syndrome)! I need to find time to go through all your emails as to what I have already suggested, and give your problem more thought before I can give anymore suggestions :-( One thing I'm not clear on is how you setup Aperture iPhoto to share Library's. Did you Merge the Library's or what? They are two entirely separate Libraries. Either app can open either Library. You can choose to merge them, but unless you explicitly choose to do so, they remain separate. http://www.apertureexpert.com/tips/2012/6/16/understanding-the-iphoto-93-and-aperture-33-unified-library.html Cheers, Ronni -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Hi Adrian, thanks for the reply. I did have a look into the Package Content and the iPhoto Library still appears to be intact. I am not sure if I would be able to open a new library if I created one as yesterday when I created/or tried to create a rebuild library iPhoto still would not open. So following Ronni's post today, as I don't have any other user accounts, I will wait until she get back to me. (I will be in PMH all day Wed Thurs). Once again thanks for your help Adrain, hope the family tree is going well. Matt On 13/08/2012, at 6:38 PM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au wrote: Message: 3 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:38:24 +0800 From: iCloud adrianske...@me.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: 379b0ffc-61eb-4db5-8cbc-63a6a2d8a...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, Have you had a look inside to see if the pictures are in tact. Right click the iPhoto Library Show Package Content. There should be a folder called Originals or in Aperture its called Masters the photos should be in there. From there you should be able to drag/copy the folder out and import them into a new Library. I expect that you would just get the pictures without any captions etc. that may have been applied to them. Regards, Adrian adrianske...@me.com http://www.skehan.id.au/ -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Hi Matt, I haven't forgotten about you. I'm a bit under the pump at the moment work wise (no time to sleep or eat... (Daniel Kerr Syndrome)! I need to find time to go through all your emails as to what I have already suggested, and give your problem more thought before I can give anymore suggestions :-( One thing I'm not clear on is how you setup Aperture iPhoto to share Library's. Did you Merge the Library's or what? They are two entirely separate Libraries. Either app can open either Library. You can choose to merge them, but unless you explicitly choose to do so, they remain separate. http://www.apertureexpert.com/tips/2012/6/16/understanding-the-iphoto-93-and-aperture-33-unified-library.html Cheers, Ronni On 14/08/2012, at 4:28 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Adrian, thanks for the reply. I did have a look into the Package Content and the iPhoto Library still appears to be intact. I am not sure if I would be able to open a new library if I created one as yesterday when I created/or tried to create a rebuild library iPhoto still would not open. So following Ronni's post today, as I don't have any other user accounts, I will wait until she get back to me. (I will be in PMH all day Wed Thurs). Once again thanks for your help Adrain, hope the family tree is going well. Matt On 13/08/2012, at 6:38 PM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au wrote: Message: 3 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:38:24 +0800 From: iCloud adrianske...@me.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: 379b0ffc-61eb-4db5-8cbc-63a6a2d8a...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, Have you had a look inside to see if the pictures are in tact. Right click the iPhoto Library Show Package Content. There should be a folder called Originals or in Aperture its called Masters the photos should be in there. From there you should be able to drag/copy the folder out and import them into a new Library. I expect that you would just get the pictures without any captions etc. that may have been applied to them. Regards, Adrian adrianske...@me.com http://www.skehan.id.au/ -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Hi Ronni, No I realise you are busy and have no problems waiting, I will be busy, as I referred in my post to Adrian, down at PMH with my daughter for the next 2 days so I wont be doing anything on the computer anyway, so there is no rush. Now, I did not set up Aperture and iPhoto. It is just that after losing virtually all of the photo's I had in iPhoto Library Matt, when I did the upgrade about 2 months or so ago, (that Matt library is now 7.34GB and was 37.85GB - It was good fortune that a few days later I found I had a copy of it sitting in Aperture, otherwise 30GB of photo's would have been lost), I read that if I upgraded from 10.6.8 to 10.8 then the Matt photo's that I now have in Aperture could be accessed in iPhoto. I did not merge any libraries or interfere with any App's. I had had an on ongoing problem trying to get access to the App store for a couple of years on my iMac, this is where this installation is occurring, so I had to redownload 10.8 on my MBP, stick it on a USB stick and run the software update from it to the iMac. I then Repaired Permissions and Ran Software Update. As the whole update was about Aperture and iPhoto, I started on them in alphabetical order. I opened Aperture and ran its library upgrade and everything worked out fine, without a hitch. I then went to do the same to iPhoto and have posted the results. I did not merge the Aperture Library with either of the two iPhoto Libraries Matt Mon, there is also a Test iPhoto Library sitting there which is dated 1 Nov 2010 which doesn't have any photo's in it. I did not choose to merge them, I don't want to merge them. I don't particularly care about the Matt library as I have mentioned that is the one that was partially recovered from the debacle last time and I have the entire contents of that library in Aperture. If it doesn't ruin things, I could probably chuck it, if told how to. The Mon library on the other hand is essential as that is only stored in iPhoto and on the Backup. I looked at the link you supplied and it is a little misleading. It show images of the iPhoto and Aperture Libraries Icons, Pre upgrade: Ocean view and Palm tree sunset (iPhoto) Snow covered Volcano (Aperture) Then the same iPhoto and Aperture Libraries Icons, Post upgrade: both a large Pink Flower. When I look at any icon that I have of an Aperture or iPhoto library in finder it has a large Pink Flower, this includes the Matt Mon libraries that wont upgrade, the Test iPhoto Library which has never been opened since Nov 2010 and all the Aperture and iPhoto libraries on my Backup HD which were backed up before I downloaded the 10.8 system upgrade and had only been connected to check out the icons? So in effect Libraries as old as 2010 are being assigned Post upgrade Icons and that could be very misleading and costly. I noticed on the link that is says that I can open iPhoto libraries in Aperture, but as Aperture is working and iPhoto is not I am loath to try this, as a bird in the hand. I hope that covers everything. I am amazed at the difference in the installation between the two computers. I did the MBP first and the iMac two days later and it is as if I have installed two different systems. Thanks for your ongoing help. Matt On 14/08/2012, at 5:34 PM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au wrote: Message: 3 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:27:19 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: c323fde1-9323-4f0b-9e86-e71bd4d24...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, I haven't forgotten about you. I'm a bit under the pump at the moment work wise (no time to sleep or eat... (Daniel Kerr Syndrome)! I need to find time to go through all your emails as to what I have already suggested, and give your problem more thought before I can give anymore suggestions :-( One thing I'm not clear on is how you setup Aperture iPhoto to share Library's. Did you Merge the Library's or what? They are two entirely separate Libraries. Either app can open either Library. You can choose to merge them, but unless you explicitly choose to do so, they remain separate. http://www.apertureexpert.com/tips/2012/6/16/understanding-the-iphoto-93-and-aperture-33-unified-library.html Cheers, Ronni -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Thanks Matt for the extra info, I'll get back to you when possible. I hope all goes well at PMH. Kind Regards, Ronni On 14/08/2012, at 10:40 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, No I realise you are busy and have no problems waiting, I will be busy, as I referred in my post to Adrian, down at PMH with my daughter for the next 2 days so I wont be doing anything on the computer anyway, so there is no rush. Now, I did not set up Aperture and iPhoto. It is just that after losing virtually all of the photo's I had in iPhoto Library Matt, when I did the upgrade about 2 months or so ago, (that Matt library is now 7.34GB and was 37.85GB - It was good fortune that a few days later I found I had a copy of it sitting in Aperture, otherwise 30GB of photo's would have been lost), I read that if I upgraded from 10.6.8 to 10.8 then the Matt photo's that I now have in Aperture could be accessed in iPhoto. I did not merge any libraries or interfere with any App's. I had had an on ongoing problem trying to get access to the App store for a couple of years on my iMac, this is where this installation is occurring, so I had to redownload 10.8 on my MBP, stick it on a USB stick and run the software update from it to the iMac. I then Repaired Permissions and Ran Software Update. As the whole update was about Aperture and iPhoto, I started on them in alphabetical order. I opened Aperture and ran its library upgrade and everything worked out fine, without a hitch. I then went to do the same to iPhoto and have posted the results. I did not merge the Aperture Library with either of the two iPhoto Libraries Matt Mon, there is also a Test iPhoto Library sitting there which is dated 1 Nov 2010 which doesn't have any photo's in it. I did not choose to merge them, I don't want to merge them. I don't particularly care about the Matt library as I have mentioned that is the one that was partially recovered from the debacle last time and I have the entire contents of that library in Aperture. If it doesn't ruin things, I could probably chuck it, if told how to. The Mon library on the other hand is essential as that is only stored in iPhoto and on the Backup. I looked at the link you supplied and it is a little misleading. It show images of the iPhoto and Aperture Libraries Icons, Pre upgrade: Ocean view and Palm tree sunset (iPhoto) Snow covered Volcano (Aperture) Then the same iPhoto and Aperture Libraries Icons, Post upgrade: both a large Pink Flower. When I look at any icon that I have of an Aperture or iPhoto library in finder it has a large Pink Flower, this includes the Matt Mon libraries that wont upgrade, the Test iPhoto Library which has never been opened since Nov 2010 and all the Aperture and iPhoto libraries on my Backup HD which were backed up before I downloaded the 10.8 system upgrade and had only been connected to check out the icons? So in effect Libraries as old as 2010 are being assigned Post upgrade Icons and that could be very misleading and costly. I noticed on the link that is says that I can open iPhoto libraries in Aperture, but as Aperture is working and iPhoto is not I am loath to try this, as a bird in the hand. I hope that covers everything. I am amazed at the difference in the installation between the two computers. I did the MBP first and the iMac two days later and it is as if I have installed two different systems. Thanks for your ongoing help. Matt On 14/08/2012, at 5:34 PM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au wrote: Message: 3 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:27:19 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: c323fde1-9323-4f0b-9e86-e71bd4d24...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, I haven't forgotten about you. I'm a bit under the pump at the moment work wise (no time to sleep or eat... (Daniel Kerr Syndrome)! I need to find time to go through all your emails as to what I have already suggested, and give your problem more thought before I can give anymore suggestions :-( One thing I'm not clear on is how you setup Aperture iPhoto to share Library's. Did you Merge the Library's or what? They are two entirely separate Libraries. Either app can open either Library. You can choose to merge them, but unless you explicitly choose to do so, they remain separate. http://www.apertureexpert.com/tips/2012/6/16/understanding-the-iphoto-93-and-aperture-33-unified-library.html Cheers, Ronni -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Hi Ronni, I tried iPhoto Library Manager on iPhoto Library Matt. I ran it and
got the following message from iPhoto Library Manager:
Error - Apple event timed out ('core'/'getd' (returnID 1)
{ = object specifier: {objectClass = 'ikwd';
keyForm = 'indx'; keyData = 'abso'(36206C6C6136);
container = (null(}; rtyp = 'obj '})
With the option button - OK
I pressed OK and nothing really happened. I did note that in iPhoto Library
Manager, a new iPhoto Library had been created called, Rebuilt Library.
I highlighted the button adjacent to it and it said: An iPhoto library
database has not yet been created in this library folder. Opening this library
in iPhoto will cause the library database to be created Info for Rebuilt
Library - Location /Users/matt/Pictures/Rebuilt Library
I ran iPhoto and a Window What photo library do you want iPhoto to use
opened. Rebuild library was not there. A box on the bottom LHS said Other
Library, I clicked it, it took me to the Pictures folder list and in it I found
a file called Rebuilt Library, Inside it was com.apple.iPhoto.plist. I could
only click on the file Rebuilt Library and the options were Open or Cancel, I
pressed Open and nothing happened, no sounds no change of colour.
I presume this failure is because of the error happening above, anyway I left
it in that situation all day in case it was running and only cancelled it just
now. I did check on Spotlight and there was only one result for Rebuilt Library
and it was the one in Pictures.
I am sorry that I have created this problem for you and I feel terrible
interrupting your normal work, particularly as this seems very drawn out .
Matt
On 13/08/2012, at 7:51 AM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au wrote:
Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:39:10 +0800
From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com
Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au
Message-ID: 5654ecc5-71a6-47df-8281-12d2ca37c...@mac.com
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Ok Matt,
Something is seriously wrong with the Library then, it is possibly in the
loop of upgrading like it did in Snow Leopard and I got you to delete files
so the upgrade could complete.
A last resort before deleting any files.
Download iPhoto Library Manager http://www.fatcatsoftware.com/iplm/
and use its rebuild function. This will create a new library based on data in
the albumdata.xml file. Not everything will be brought over - no slideshows,
books or calendars, for instance - but it should get all your albums and
keywords back.
Because this process creates an entirely new library and leaves your old one
untouched, it is non-destructive, and if you're not happy with the results
you can simply return to your old one.
I have to sign off from WAMUG support as I must get my Clients work finished
prepare for tomorrow.
Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad
On 12/08/2012, at 5:59 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
Hi Ronni, I have just tried that and basically had the same result as the
same two attempts before.
Once I press Rebuild, it flashed into the your library needs to be Upgraded,
I pressed to accept that and I now I have the iPhoto is unable to open this
library window with the Quit option and the Grey Spinning Wheel, which has
started this time at 5.55pm.
Matt.
On 12/08/2012, at 5:36 PM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au
wrote:
Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:31:09 +0800
From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com
Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
To: wamug@wamug.org.au
Message-ID: dc7a40d7-003f-48b2-ad9e-f50913452...@mac.com
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Hi Matt,
Have you tried the last option I gave you if the other options didn't fix
your iPhoto Library?
1. Hold down the command and option (or alt) keys while launching iPhoto.
It will show you a Window with 'Photo Library First Aid'
2. Choose 'Rebuild Database'
See if that can complete and you can then Upgrade the iPhoto Library.
Cheers,
Ronni
On 12/08/2012, at 2:14 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
Hi Ronni, there are two libraries, one of them is the recovered iPhoto
Library Matt and the other is an iPhoto Library Mon. The Matt was the
problematic library and the one that I found I had a virtual complete copy
of in Aperture. I have had no problems with the Mon library (and I am not
sure if it is/has been converted as my wife uses it and is never on the
computer and I may have left it alone after the debacle with the Matt one.
I will have to look at it one day and if this ML gets sorted I may try and
see if it is on iPhoto or save looking to open it for a very very rainy
day, oh God it's raining today!)
The Grey Spinning Wheel was spinning until about 11pm last night, when I
decided to go to bed and closed the system down. It had been
Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Hi Matt,
Have you had a look inside to see if the pictures are in tact.
Right click the iPhoto Library Show Package Content. There should be a
folder called Originals or in Aperture its called Masters the photos should
be in there. From there you should be able to drag/copy the folder out and
import them into a new Library. I expect that you would just get the pictures
without any captions etc. that may have been applied to them.
Regards,
Adrian
adrianske...@me.com
http://www.skehan.id.au/
On 13/08/2012, at 6:02 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
Hi Ronni, I tried iPhoto Library Manager on iPhoto Library Matt. I ran it and
got the following message from iPhoto Library Manager:
Error - Apple event timed out ('core'/'getd' (returnID 1)
{ = object specifier: {objectClass = 'ikwd';
keyForm = 'indx'; keyData = 'abso'(36206C6C6136);
container = (null(}; rtyp = 'obj '})
With the option button - OK
I pressed OK and nothing really happened. I did note that in iPhoto Library
Manager, a new iPhoto Library had been created called, Rebuilt Library.
I highlighted the button adjacent to it and it said: An iPhoto library
database has not yet been created in this library folder. Opening this
library in iPhoto will cause the library database to be created Info for
Rebuilt Library - Location /Users/matt/Pictures/Rebuilt Library
I ran iPhoto and a Window What photo library do you want iPhoto to use
opened. Rebuild library was not there. A box on the bottom LHS said Other
Library, I clicked it, it took me to the Pictures folder list and in it I
found a file called Rebuilt Library, Inside it was com.apple.iPhoto.plist. I
could only click on the file Rebuilt Library and the options were Open or
Cancel, I pressed Open and nothing happened, no sounds no change of colour.
I presume this failure is because of the error happening above, anyway I left
it in that situation all day in case it was running and only cancelled it
just now. I did check on Spotlight and there was only one result for Rebuilt
Library and it was the one in Pictures.
I am sorry that I have created this problem for you and I feel terrible
interrupting your normal work, particularly as this seems very drawn out .
Matt
On 13/08/2012, at 7:51 AM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au
wrote:
Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:39:10 +0800
From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com
Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au
Message-ID: 5654ecc5-71a6-47df-8281-12d2ca37c...@mac.com
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Ok Matt,
Something is seriously wrong with the Library then, it is possibly in the
loop of upgrading like it did in Snow Leopard and I got you to delete files
so the upgrade could complete.
A last resort before deleting any files.
Download iPhoto Library Manager http://www.fatcatsoftware.com/iplm/
and use its rebuild function. This will create a new library based on data
in the albumdata.xml file. Not everything will be brought over - no
slideshows, books or calendars, for instance - but it should get all your
albums and keywords back.
Because this process creates an entirely new library and leaves your old one
untouched, it is non-destructive, and if you're not happy with the results
you can simply return to your old one.
I have to sign off from WAMUG support as I must get my Clients work finished
prepare for tomorrow.
Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad
On 12/08/2012, at 5:59 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
Hi Ronni, I have just tried that and basically had the same result as the
same two attempts before.
Once I press Rebuild, it flashed into the your library needs to be
Upgraded, I pressed to accept that and I now I have the iPhoto is unable
to open this library window with the Quit option and the Grey Spinning
Wheel, which has started this time at 5.55pm.
Matt.
On 12/08/2012, at 5:36 PM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au
wrote:
Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:31:09 +0800
From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com
Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
To: wamug@wamug.org.au
Message-ID: dc7a40d7-003f-48b2-ad9e-f50913452...@mac.com
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Hi Matt,
Have you tried the last option I gave you if the other options didn't fix
your iPhoto Library?
1. Hold down the command and option (or alt) keys while launching iPhoto.
It will show you a Window with 'Photo Library First Aid'
2. Choose 'Rebuild Database'
See if that can complete and you can then Upgrade the iPhoto Library.
Cheers,
Ronni
On 12/08/2012, at 2:14 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
Hi Ronni, there are two libraries, one of them is the recovered iPhoto
Library Matt and the other is an iPhoto Library Mon. The Matt
Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Hi Matt,
I'll get back to you in a couple of days, I will be busy with clients tomorrow
and part of Wed.
Try opening Library Matt in another Admin. User Account on your Mac.
Let me know the result and I'll get back to you when I am able to.
Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad
On 13/08/2012, at 6:02 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
Hi Ronni, I tried iPhoto Library Manager on iPhoto Library Matt. I ran it and
got the following message from iPhoto Library Manager:
Error - Apple event timed out ('core'/'getd' (returnID 1)
{ = object specifier: {objectClass = 'ikwd';
keyForm = 'indx'; keyData = 'abso'(36206C6C6136);
container = (null(}; rtyp = 'obj '})
With the option button - OK
I pressed OK and nothing really happened. I did note that in iPhoto Library
Manager, a new iPhoto Library had been created called, Rebuilt Library.
I highlighted the button adjacent to it and it said: An iPhoto library
database has not yet been created in this library folder. Opening this
library in iPhoto will cause the library database to be created Info for
Rebuilt Library - Location /Users/matt/Pictures/Rebuilt Library
I ran iPhoto and a Window What photo library do you want iPhoto to use
opened. Rebuild library was not there. A box on the bottom LHS said Other
Library, I clicked it, it took me to the Pictures folder list and in it I
found a file called Rebuilt Library, Inside it was com.apple.iPhoto.plist. I
could only click on the file Rebuilt Library and the options were Open or
Cancel, I pressed Open and nothing happened, no sounds no change of colour.
I presume this failure is because of the error happening above, anyway I left
it in that situation all day in case it was running and only cancelled it
just now. I did check on Spotlight and there was only one result for Rebuilt
Library and it was the one in Pictures.
I am sorry that I have created this problem for you and I feel terrible
interrupting your normal work, particularly as this seems very drawn out .
Matt
On 13/08/2012, at 7:51 AM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au
wrote:
Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:39:10 +0800
From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com
Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au
Message-ID: 5654ecc5-71a6-47df-8281-12d2ca37c...@mac.com
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Ok Matt,
Something is seriously wrong with the Library then, it is possibly in the
loop of upgrading like it did in Snow Leopard and I got you to delete files
so the upgrade could complete.
A last resort before deleting any files.
Download iPhoto Library Manager http://www.fatcatsoftware.com/iplm/
and use its rebuild function. This will create a new library based on data
in the albumdata.xml file. Not everything will be brought over - no
slideshows, books or calendars, for instance - but it should get all your
albums and keywords back.
Because this process creates an entirely new library and leaves your old one
untouched, it is non-destructive, and if you're not happy with the results
you can simply return to your old one.
I have to sign off from WAMUG support as I must get my Clients work finished
prepare for tomorrow.
Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad
On 12/08/2012, at 5:59 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
Hi Ronni, I have just tried that and basically had the same result as the
same two attempts before.
Once I press Rebuild, it flashed into the your library needs to be
Upgraded, I pressed to accept that and I now I have the iPhoto is unable
to open this library window with the Quit option and the Grey Spinning
Wheel, which has started this time at 5.55pm.
Matt.
On 12/08/2012, at 5:36 PM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au
wrote:
Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:31:09 +0800
From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com
Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
To: wamug@wamug.org.au
Message-ID: dc7a40d7-003f-48b2-ad9e-f50913452...@mac.com
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Hi Matt,
Have you tried the last option I gave you if the other options didn't fix
your iPhoto Library?
1. Hold down the command and option (or alt) keys while launching iPhoto.
It will show you a Window with 'Photo Library First Aid'
2. Choose 'Rebuild Database'
See if that can complete and you can then Upgrade the iPhoto Library.
Cheers,
Ronni
On 12/08/2012, at 2:14 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
Hi Ronni, there are two libraries, one of them is the recovered iPhoto
Library Matt and the other is an iPhoto Library Mon. The Matt was the
problematic library and the one that I found I had a virtual complete
copy of in Aperture. I have had no problems with the Mon library (and I
am not sure if it is/has been converted as my wife uses it and is never
iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Hi Ronni, there are two libraries, one of them is the recovered iPhoto Library Matt and the other is an iPhoto Library Mon. The Matt was the problematic library and the one that I found I had a virtual complete copy of in Aperture. I have had no problems with the Mon library (and I am not sure if it is/has been converted as my wife uses it and is never on the computer and I may have left it alone after the debacle with the Matt one. I will have to look at it one day and if this ML gets sorted I may try and see if it is on iPhoto or save looking to open it for a very very rainy day, oh God it's raining today!) The Grey Spinning Wheel was spinning until about 11pm last night, when I decided to go to bed and closed the system down. It had been running for over 13 hours and was just the same wheel as that that had been spinning in the back ground with the two messages, Before I pressed the Command and Option Keys, so I don't think, hope, it was signifying that any Repair was in process. Anyway I had no choice, my wife was on earlies and was sleeping in the spare room and didn't want the computer on all night, so I had no choice. Yes, iPhoto worked fine in SL, after you fixed it. The bulk of the photo's were missing but I had them covered I discovered later, T.G., in Aperture. That was the main reason for going to the next step to ML to be able to share the photo's between Aperture and iPhoto, which I couldn't do in SL. So basically I was trying to get my SL iPhoto library back by stealth. We have three other iMac's one is running: 10.6.8 and iPhoto 9.2.3, could it be used to confirm the backup Libraries on the SuperDuper backup? Matt On 12/08/2012, at 12:00 PM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au wrote: Hi Matt, Is this the same iPhoto Library that you had all the trouble with in Snow Leopard when it would not upgrade the Library? Did you eventually have it working without any problems in SL? Is the Grey Spinning Wheel still going since 10:20AM, or what happened? Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 11/08/2012, at 5:11 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, I have tried Repair Database and this time it didn't flick/bypass through to the two messages it presented me with the with the The photo library needs to be upgraded to work with this version of iPhoto, appeared. I thought you bewty and I clicked - Upgrade. Then the second message The photo library needs to be upgraded to work with this version of iPhoto appeared again, with the only option - Quit. Now as there is a grey spinning wheel showing under, the message and in light of what occurred on a previous occasion I am loath to closed down iPhoto in case it is actually Repairing the Database, so I have left it spinning away, lest I stuff it up. Oh how I loved my Canon T90 and my Kodak 100. Matt. (I think I may have posted this incorrectly as it came back as Today's Topics: 1. Re: wamug.org.au-wamug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 44 (Matt Falvey)) Message: 6 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:21:08 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: 9955054e-69a7-4e72-9236-2fa191c12...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, I'm away until later today. Choose 'Repair Database' If that doesn't fix your iPhoto Library Choose 'Rebuild Database' Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 10/08/2012, at 7:10 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, I followed your instruction's and the Window showed up instantly. In 2. you stated select the items, they could not be selected together, I could only select each one individually. It looked on you post like select all three, so I tried holding the Command key and selecting them, shift etc. but could not get the three selected together. Anyway I then decided that it must be in descending order and started with Repair Permission and a soon as I did that the two messages came back up again in the same sequence as before and gave me the only option to quit. Matt. Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:23:18 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: f2dab895-90d1-4bf2-8e29-cde1473d0...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, Sounds like your iPhoto Library Database is damaged. Try to Repair Database Rebuild Database. 1. Hold down the command and option (or alt) keys while launching iPhoto. It will take some time to show you a Window with 'Photo Library First Aid' 2. Select: Repair Permissions Repair Database Rebuild Database Let it complete the repairs. Cheers, Ronni -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http
Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Hi Matt, Have you tried the last option I gave you if the other options didn't fix your iPhoto Library? 1. Hold down the command and option (or alt) keys while launching iPhoto. It will show you a Window with 'Photo Library First Aid' 2. Choose 'Rebuild Database' See if that can complete and you can then Upgrade the iPhoto Library. Cheers, Ronni On 12/08/2012, at 2:14 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, there are two libraries, one of them is the recovered iPhoto Library Matt and the other is an iPhoto Library Mon. The Matt was the problematic library and the one that I found I had a virtual complete copy of in Aperture. I have had no problems with the Mon library (and I am not sure if it is/has been converted as my wife uses it and is never on the computer and I may have left it alone after the debacle with the Matt one. I will have to look at it one day and if this ML gets sorted I may try and see if it is on iPhoto or save looking to open it for a very very rainy day, oh God it's raining today!) The Grey Spinning Wheel was spinning until about 11pm last night, when I decided to go to bed and closed the system down. It had been running for over 13 hours and was just the same wheel as that that had been spinning in the back ground with the two messages, Before I pressed the Command and Option Keys, so I don't think, hope, it was signifying that any Repair was in process. Anyway I had no choice, my wife was on earlies and was sleeping in the spare room and didn't want the computer on all night, so I had no choice. Yes, iPhoto worked fine in SL, after you fixed it. The bulk of the photo's were missing but I had them covered I discovered later, T.G., in Aperture. That was the main reason for going to the next step to ML to be able to share the photo's between Aperture and iPhoto, which I couldn't do in SL. So basically I was trying to get my SL iPhoto library back by stealth. We have three other iMac's one is running: 10.6.8 and iPhoto 9.2.3, could it be used to confirm the backup Libraries on the SuperDuper backup? Matt On 12/08/2012, at 12:00 PM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au wrote: Hi Matt, Is this the same iPhoto Library that you had all the trouble with in Snow Leopard when it would not upgrade the Library? Did you eventually have it working without any problems in SL? Is the Grey Spinning Wheel still going since 10:20AM, or what happened? Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 11/08/2012, at 5:11 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, I have tried Repair Database and this time it didn't flick/bypass through to the two messages it presented me with the with the The photo library needs to be upgraded to work with this version of iPhoto, appeared. I thought you bewty and I clicked - Upgrade. Then the second message The photo library needs to be upgraded to work with this version of iPhoto appeared again, with the only option - Quit. Now as there is a grey spinning wheel showing under, the message and in light of what occurred on a previous occasion I am loath to closed down iPhoto in case it is actually Repairing the Database, so I have left it spinning away, lest I stuff it up. Oh how I loved my Canon T90 and my Kodak 100. Matt. (I think I may have posted this incorrectly as it came back as Today's Topics: 1. Re: wamug.org.au-wamug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 44 (Matt Falvey)) Message: 6 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:21:08 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: 9955054e-69a7-4e72-9236-2fa191c12...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, I'm away until later today. Choose 'Repair Database' If that doesn't fix your iPhoto Library Choose 'Rebuild Database' Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 10/08/2012, at 7:10 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, I followed your instruction's and the Window showed up instantly. In 2. you stated select the items, they could not be selected together, I could only select each one individually. It looked on you post like select all three, so I tried holding the Command key and selecting them, shift etc. but could not get the three selected together. Anyway I then decided that it must be in descending order and started with Repair Permission and a soon as I did that the two messages came back up again in the same sequence as before and gave me the only option to quit. Matt. Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:23:18 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: f2dab895-90d1-4bf2-8e29-cde1473d0...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, Sounds like your iPhoto Library Database
iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Hi Ronni, I have just tried that and basically had the same result as the same two attempts before. Once I press Rebuild, it flashed into the your library needs to be Upgraded, I pressed to accept that and I now I have the iPhoto is unable to open this library window with the Quit option and the Grey Spinning Wheel, which has started this time at 5.55pm. Matt. On 12/08/2012, at 5:36 PM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au wrote: Message: 2 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:31:09 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: dc7a40d7-003f-48b2-ad9e-f50913452...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, Have you tried the last option I gave you if the other options didn't fix your iPhoto Library? 1. Hold down the command and option (or alt) keys while launching iPhoto. It will show you a Window with 'Photo Library First Aid' 2. Choose 'Rebuild Database' See if that can complete and you can then Upgrade the iPhoto Library. Cheers, Ronni On 12/08/2012, at 2:14 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, there are two libraries, one of them is the recovered iPhoto Library Matt and the other is an iPhoto Library Mon. The Matt was the problematic library and the one that I found I had a virtual complete copy of in Aperture. I have had no problems with the Mon library (and I am not sure if it is/has been converted as my wife uses it and is never on the computer and I may have left it alone after the debacle with the Matt one. I will have to look at it one day and if this ML gets sorted I may try and see if it is on iPhoto or save looking to open it for a very very rainy day, oh God it's raining today!) The Grey Spinning Wheel was spinning until about 11pm last night, when I decided to go to bed and closed the system down. It had been running for over 13 hours and was just the same wheel as that that had been spinning in the back ground with the two messages, Before I pressed the Command and Option Keys, so I don't think, hope, it was signifying that any Repair was in process. Anyway I had no choice, my wife was on earlies and was sleeping in the spare room and didn't want the computer on all night, so I had no choice. Yes, iPhoto worked fine in SL, after you fixed it. The bulk of the photo's were missing but I had them covered I discovered later, T.G., in Aperture. That was the main reason for going to the next step to ML to be able to share the photo's between Aperture and iPhoto, which I couldn't do in SL. So basically I was trying to get my SL iPhoto library back by stealth. We have three other iMac's one is running: 10.6.8 and iPhoto 9.2.3, could it be used to confirm the backup Libraries on the SuperDuper backup? Matt On 12/08/2012, at 12:00 PM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au wrote: Hi Matt, Is this the same iPhoto Library that you had all the trouble with in Snow Leopard when it would not upgrade the Library? Did you eventually have it working without any problems in SL? Is the Grey Spinning Wheel still going since 10:20AM, or what happened? Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 11/08/2012, at 5:11 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, I have tried Repair Database and this time it didn't flick/bypass through to the two messages it presented me with the with the The photo library needs to be upgraded to work with this version of iPhoto, appeared. I thought you bewty and I clicked - Upgrade. Then the second message The photo library needs to be upgraded to work with this version of iPhoto appeared again, with the only option - Quit. Now as there is a grey spinning wheel showing under, the message and in light of what occurred on a previous occasion I am loath to closed down iPhoto in case it is actually Repairing the Database, so I have left it spinning away, lest I stuff it up. Oh how I loved my Canon T90 and my Kodak 100. Matt. (I think I may have posted this incorrectly as it came back as Today's Topics: 1. Re: wamug.org.au-wamug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 44 (Matt Falvey)) Message: 6 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:21:08 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: 9955054e-69a7-4e72-9236-2fa191c12...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, I'm away until later today. Choose 'Repair Database' If that doesn't fix your iPhoto Library Choose 'Rebuild Database' Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 10/08/2012, at 7:10 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, I followed your instruction's and the Window showed up instantly. In 2. you stated select the items, they could not be selected together, I could only select each
Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Ok Matt, Something is seriously wrong with the Library then, it is possibly in the loop of upgrading like it did in Snow Leopard and I got you to delete files so the upgrade could complete. A last resort before deleting any files. Download iPhoto Library Manager http://www.fatcatsoftware.com/iplm/ and use its rebuild function. This will create a new library based on data in the albumdata.xml file. Not everything will be brought over - no slideshows, books or calendars, for instance - but it should get all your albums and keywords back. Because this process creates an entirely new library and leaves your old one untouched, it is non-destructive, and if you're not happy with the results you can simply return to your old one. I have to sign off from WAMUG support as I must get my Clients work finished prepare for tomorrow. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 12/08/2012, at 5:59 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, I have just tried that and basically had the same result as the same two attempts before. Once I press Rebuild, it flashed into the your library needs to be Upgraded, I pressed to accept that and I now I have the iPhoto is unable to open this library window with the Quit option and the Grey Spinning Wheel, which has started this time at 5.55pm. Matt. On 12/08/2012, at 5:36 PM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au wrote: Message: 2 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:31:09 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: dc7a40d7-003f-48b2-ad9e-f50913452...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, Have you tried the last option I gave you if the other options didn't fix your iPhoto Library? 1. Hold down the command and option (or alt) keys while launching iPhoto. It will show you a Window with 'Photo Library First Aid' 2. Choose 'Rebuild Database' See if that can complete and you can then Upgrade the iPhoto Library. Cheers, Ronni On 12/08/2012, at 2:14 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, there are two libraries, one of them is the recovered iPhoto Library Matt and the other is an iPhoto Library Mon. The Matt was the problematic library and the one that I found I had a virtual complete copy of in Aperture. I have had no problems with the Mon library (and I am not sure if it is/has been converted as my wife uses it and is never on the computer and I may have left it alone after the debacle with the Matt one. I will have to look at it one day and if this ML gets sorted I may try and see if it is on iPhoto or save looking to open it for a very very rainy day, oh God it's raining today!) The Grey Spinning Wheel was spinning until about 11pm last night, when I decided to go to bed and closed the system down. It had been running for over 13 hours and was just the same wheel as that that had been spinning in the back ground with the two messages, Before I pressed the Command and Option Keys, so I don't think, hope, it was signifying that any Repair was in process. Anyway I had no choice, my wife was on earlies and was sleeping in the spare room and didn't want the computer on all night, so I had no choice. Yes, iPhoto worked fine in SL, after you fixed it. The bulk of the photo's were missing but I had them covered I discovered later, T.G., in Aperture. That was the main reason for going to the next step to ML to be able to share the photo's between Aperture and iPhoto, which I couldn't do in SL. So basically I was trying to get my SL iPhoto library back by stealth. We have three other iMac's one is running: 10.6.8 and iPhoto 9.2.3, could it be used to confirm the backup Libraries on the SuperDuper backup? Matt On 12/08/2012, at 12:00 PM, wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au wrote: Hi Matt, Is this the same iPhoto Library that you had all the trouble with in Snow Leopard when it would not upgrade the Library? Did you eventually have it working without any problems in SL? Is the Grey Spinning Wheel still going since 10:20AM, or what happened? Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 11/08/2012, at 5:11 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, I have tried Repair Database and this time it didn't flick/bypass through to the two messages it presented me with the with the The photo library needs to be upgraded to work with this version of iPhoto, appeared. I thought you bewty and I clicked - Upgrade. Then the second message The photo library needs to be upgraded to work with this version of iPhoto appeared again, with the only option - Quit. Now as there is a grey spinning wheel showing under, the message and in light of what occurred on a previous occasion I am loath to closed down iPhoto in case it is actually Repairing the Database, so I have left
iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Hi Ronni, I have tried Repair Database and this time it didn't flick/bypass through to the two messages it presented me with the with the The photo library needs to be upgraded to work with this version of iPhoto, appeared. I thought you bewty and I clicked - Upgrade. Then the second message The photo library needs to be upgraded to work with this version of iPhoto appeared again, with the only option - Quit. Now as there is a grey spinning wheel showing under, the message and in light of what occurred on a previous occasion I am loath to closed down iPhoto in case it is actually Repairing the Database, so I have left it spinning away, lest I stuff it up. Oh how I loved my Canon T90 and my Kodak 100. Matt. (I think I may have posted this incorrectly as it came back as Today's Topics: 1. Re: wamug.org.au-wamug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 44 (Matt Falvey)) Message: 6 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:21:08 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: 9955054e-69a7-4e72-9236-2fa191c12...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, I'm away until later today. Choose 'Repair Database' If that doesn't fix your iPhoto Library Choose 'Rebuild Database' Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 10/08/2012, at 7:10 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, I followed your instruction's and the Window showed up instantly. In 2. you stated select the items, they could not be selected together, I could only select each one individually. It looked on you post like select all three, so I tried holding the Command key and selecting them, shift etc. but could not get the three selected together. Anyway I then decided that it must be in descending order and started with Repair Permission and a soon as I did that the two messages came back up again in the same sequence as before and gave me the only option to quit. Matt. Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:23:18 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: f2dab895-90d1-4bf2-8e29-cde1473d0...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, Sounds like your iPhoto Library Database is damaged. Try to Repair Database Rebuild Database. 1. Hold down the command and option (or alt) keys while launching iPhoto. It will take some time to show you a Window with 'Photo Library First Aid' 2. Select: Repair Permissions Repair Database Rebuild Database Let it complete the repairs. Cheers, Ronni -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Hi Matt, Is this the same iPhoto Library that you had all the trouble with in Snow Leopard when it would not upgrade the Library? Did you eventually have it working without any problems in SL? Is the Grey Spinning Wheel still going since 10:20AM, or what happened? Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 11/08/2012, at 5:11 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, I have tried Repair Database and this time it didn't flick/bypass through to the two messages it presented me with the with the The photo library needs to be upgraded to work with this version of iPhoto, appeared. I thought you bewty and I clicked - Upgrade. Then the second message The photo library needs to be upgraded to work with this version of iPhoto appeared again, with the only option - Quit. Now as there is a grey spinning wheel showing under, the message and in light of what occurred on a previous occasion I am loath to closed down iPhoto in case it is actually Repairing the Database, so I have left it spinning away, lest I stuff it up. Oh how I loved my Canon T90 and my Kodak 100. Matt. (I think I may have posted this incorrectly as it came back as Today's Topics: 1. Re: wamug.org.au-wamug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 44 (Matt Falvey)) Message: 6 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:21:08 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: 9955054e-69a7-4e72-9236-2fa191c12...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, I'm away until later today. Choose 'Repair Database' If that doesn't fix your iPhoto Library Choose 'Rebuild Database' Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 10/08/2012, at 7:10 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, I followed your instruction's and the Window showed up instantly. In 2. you stated select the items, they could not be selected together, I could only select each one individually. It looked on you post like select all three, so I tried holding the Command key and selecting them, shift etc. but could not get the three selected together. Anyway I then decided that it must be in descending order and started with Repair Permission and a soon as I did that the two messages came back up again in the same sequence as before and gave me the only option to quit. Matt. Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:23:18 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: f2dab895-90d1-4bf2-8e29-cde1473d0...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, Sounds like your iPhoto Library Database is damaged. Try to Repair Database Rebuild Database. 1. Hold down the command and option (or alt) keys while launching iPhoto. It will take some time to show you a Window with 'Photo Library First Aid' 2. Select: Repair Permissions Repair Database Rebuild Database Let it complete the repairs. Cheers, Ronni -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Hi Ronni, I followed your instruction's and the Window showed up instantly. In 2. you stated select the items, they could not be selected together, I could only select each one individually. It looked on you post like select all three, so I tried holding the Command key and selecting them, shift etc. but could not get the three selected together. Anyway I then decided that it must be in descending order and started with Repair Permission and a soon as I did that the two messages came back up again in the same sequence as before and gave me the only option to quit. Matt. Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:23:18 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: f2dab895-90d1-4bf2-8e29-cde1473d0...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, Sounds like your iPhoto Library Database is damaged. Try to Repair Database Rebuild Database. 1. Hold down the command and option (or alt) keys while launching iPhoto. It will take some time to show you a Window with 'Photo Library First Aid' 2. Select: Repair Permissions Repair Database Rebuild Database Let it complete the repairs. Cheers, Ronni -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Hi Matt, I'm away until later today. Choose 'Repair Database' If that doesn't fix your iPhoto Library Choose 'Rebuild Database' Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 10/08/2012, at 7:10 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, I followed your instruction's and the Window showed up instantly. In 2. you stated select the items, they could not be selected together, I could only select each one individually. It looked on you post like select all three, so I tried holding the Command key and selecting them, shift etc. but could not get the three selected together. Anyway I then decided that it must be in descending order and started with Repair Permission and a soon as I did that the two messages came back up again in the same sequence as before and gave me the only option to quit. Matt. Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:23:18 +0800 From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com Subject: Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion To: wamug@wamug.org.au Message-ID: f2dab895-90d1-4bf2-8e29-cde1473d0...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Matt, Sounds like your iPhoto Library Database is damaged. Try to Repair Database Rebuild Database. 1. Hold down the command and option (or alt) keys while launching iPhoto. It will take some time to show you a Window with 'Photo Library First Aid' 2. Select: Repair Permissions Repair Database Rebuild Database Let it complete the repairs. Cheers, Ronni -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Hi, I have just upgraded my iMac from 10.6.8 to Mountain Lion following strictly Ronnie's Installing Lion OS X 10.8 instructions. Everything seemed to work fine, apart from iPhoto which when opened gave the notice that it needed to check for updates which it did briefly, then the message window: The photo library needs to be upgraded to work with this version of iPhoto, appeared. I clicked - Upgrade. The the window: iPhoto is unable to open this library appeared with the message:- you have opened this photo library with a newer version of iPhoto. Please quit and use the latest version of iPhoto. One option - Quit. As per the guidelines I had run the software update and the version of iPhoto I have is 9.3.2. (I think 9.3.2 is the latest version of iPhoto, so I don't know how to use any later version). I ran Aperture and that opened and ran upgraded and updated okay. I did an upgrade to 10.8 on my MBP and that worked fine and the iPhoto library on that worked without any problems. As I had issues with iPhoto before and didn't what to look a complete DH, I thought I might see if it was possible to fix the problem so I tried a Full Recovery as that seemed to work for others who had the same problem, https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4148170?start=0tstart=0 (derrick9990) and http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4718 I then did the repair permissions, Software update (all up to date), and tried again, but was presented with the same messages. Oh, I have a complete, Super Duper bootable backup of the HD, this time around. Any ideas as to how to repair it, would be gratefully received. Matt. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: iPhoto doesn't open after Upgrade to Mountain Lion
Hi Matt, Sounds like your iPhoto Library Database is damaged. Try to Repair Database Rebuild Database. 1. Hold down the command and option (or alt) keys while launching iPhoto. It will take some time to show you a Window with 'Photo Library First Aid' 2. Select: Repair Permissions Repair Database Rebuild Database Let it complete the repairs. Cheers, Ronni On 10/08/2012, at 12:23 PM, Matt Falvey mmfal...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi, I have just upgraded my iMac from 10.6.8 to Mountain Lion following strictly Ronnie's Installing Lion OS X 10.8 instructions. Everything seemed to work fine, apart from iPhoto which when opened gave the notice that it needed to check for updates which it did briefly, then the message window: The photo library needs to be upgraded to work with this version of iPhoto, appeared. I clicked - Upgrade. The the window: iPhoto is unable to open this library appeared with the message:- you have opened this photo library with a newer version of iPhoto. Please quit and use the latest version of iPhoto. One option - Quit. As per the guidelines I had run the software update and the version of iPhoto I have is 9.3.2. (I think 9.3.2 is the latest version of iPhoto, so I don't know how to use any later version). I ran Aperture and that opened and ran upgraded and updated okay. I did an upgrade to 10.8 on my MBP and that worked fine and the iPhoto library on that worked without any problems. As I had issues with iPhoto before and didn't what to look a complete DH, I thought I might see if it was possible to fix the problem so I tried a Full Recovery as that seemed to work for others who had the same problem, https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4148170?start=0tstart=0 (derrick9990) and http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4718 I then did the repair permissions, Software update (all up to date), and tried again, but was presented with the same messages. Oh, I have a complete, Super Duper bootable backup of the HD, this time around. Any ideas as to how to repair it, would be gratefully received. Matt. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
