Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: {W&P} Bush & Treaties....

2001-12-15 Thread Ezeditor


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In a message dated 12/12/01 11:45:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
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<< > In a message dated 12/11/01 1:12:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 > 
 > << Some one born in a upperclass family will always vote for right wing 
 > partys. >>
 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 > Obviously this man has never heard of the Kennedys
 > 
 > LG
-=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- 
Sorry, I forgot about the Kennedys! Let's say nearly always! >>
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Still not good enough!

Let's say 50% go one way and 50% go the other way ... depending on where they 
think they'll end up making the most money with the least amount of effort.

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In a message dated 12/12/01 10:17:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I don't like peppermint. Sorry. >>
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So  you get Peach Schnapps, or Apple Schnapps or . what else do they 
have?

LG


I know, Mr. Make everybody happy, is suddenly picky. janice


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The patience that a society needs to endure and try and try agains to make the bums to honest citizen is demanding, but the other way of dealing with the problem leads in most countrys to caos. In the poor countrys of africa no social programs excist. There the agenda of the rich and powerful is allowed to work in full freedom. The only way to survive for those that don't have friends and relatives to help is starvation or illigal activity. You don't really want the USA to go down that path? If not there has to be a ballance.

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I have to disagree. In this country, if you are willing you can work hard and make as good a life as you want. Everyone makes choices. I chose not to stay married after my children were grown. If I had stayed married I would have a much easier life financially, but I would have to live with a man that I frankly could hardly stand to look at another day. I choose to leave. I could have made him sell our house and give me half the money. I chose not to. I could have made him give me part of his pension. He can retire at 55 from his civil service job at 80% of his pay. I just wanted to get away. He did not want me to go. So I did not think it was fair to leave AND take his money. Though I worked most of our marriage I did not get more than a year of college and am going to school again and working now. I am willing to live with my choices. But I do not ask any one to pay for my choices and I do not want to pay for some bum too lazy to work, or illegal immigrants or drug addicts or alcoholics who made bad choices. If I didn't pay so much in taxes because I am single with no small children, I would be able to live a little better. But there are so many people living off the government, it keeps my taxes high. Not to mention taxes on gas, the phone the lights et. I am not asking for anything from someone else. I just want to keep more of what I WORK FOR. Janice


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Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: {W&P} Bush & Treaties....

2001-12-12 Thread Ezeditor


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In a message dated 12/12/01 10:07:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< And here I had the picture of you sitting by the fire with peppermint 
schnapps keeping you warm. While I just have my dog Bob to keep me warm. 
janice
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I don't like peppermint. Sorry. >>
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So  you get Peach Schnapps, or Apple Schnapps or . what else do they 
have?

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In a message dated 12/11/01 8:12:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< But I did hear today that they arrested some Taliban wannabe in Oregon 
today. Went to terrorist day camp and had pictures of Osama or something. >>
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I wouldn't be a bit surprised ... we have some real idiots up here ... I 
think it has something to do with the UofO in Eugene -- they share a strong 
bond with the UofC in Berkley and attract a similiar type of students and 
professors ...

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Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: {W&P} Bush & Treaties....

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In a message dated 12/11/01 6:08:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Now you know why California became a nicer place in which to live ... a lot 
of them moved to Oregon.  :)

LG



And here I was going to say that all the good Californians went north. But I did hear today that they arrested some Taliban wannabe in Oregon today. Went to terrorist day camp and had pictures of Osama or something. janice


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In a message dated 12/11/01 2:58:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< This is the group that didn't want to detain anyone for questioning about 
the 
 terrorist attacks? Sound like a real bunch of patriots you have up there.  >>

Well, .

Now you know why California became a nicer place in which to live ... a lot 
of them moved to Oregon.  :)

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Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: {W&P} Bush & Treaties....

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Still liberal? -- Yes and No... At least one of the houses is Republican 
controlled, which puts a nice little damper on the governor and his cronies 
... And in all honesty, a lot of them wear the "name" of liberal because it 
helps them to get elected, but they're more what I would call moderates...

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This is the group that didn't want to detain anyone for questioning about the terrorist attacks? Sound like a real bunch of patriots you have up there. janice


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In a message dated 12/9/01 2:54:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
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<< Really. My Son who is too the right of Reagan lived in OR. for a few years 
 and said the entire gov. Up there is liberal. Is it still? janice >>

As Uncle George, one of my subscribers said, "A conservative in Oregon??? I 
don't believe it!" 

Actually most of the state is conservative ... the liberals are congregated 
in the Willamette Valley, between Portland and Eugene ... and so is the 
population. Most of the people I know are conservatives, and a good portion 
of them don't even bother to vote because they don't think it will do any 
good going up against those "damn liberals". Which is the wrong attitude to 
have ...

Still liberal? -- Yes and No... At least one of the houses is Republican 
controlled, which puts a nice little damper on the governor and his cronies 
... And in all honesty, a lot of them wear the "name" of liberal because it 
helps them to get elected, but they're more what I would call moderates...

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Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: {W&P} Bush & Treaties....

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In a message dated 12/9/01 11:03:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



Lived in N. Long Beach, then moved out to Hemet.
Escaped back to Oregon in `94.

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Really. My Son who is too the right of Reagan lived in OR. for a few years and said the entire gov. Up there is liberal. Is it still? janice

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Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: {W&P} Bush & Treaties....

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In a message dated 12/9/01 8:19:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
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<< No Southern Calif.  >>

A ...

Lived in N. Long Beach, then moved out to Hemet.
Escaped back to Oregon in `94.

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Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: {W&P} Bush & Treaties....

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<< Thank you so much. Here in CA. when I write to the editor of the paper I 
am 
ripped apart as a racist anti-immigrant right wing wacko. :):) janice >>
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Berkley?

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<< Thank you so much. Here in CA. when I write to the editor of the paper I 
am 
 ripped apart as a racist anti-immigrant right wing wacko. :):) janice >>
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Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: {W&P} Bush & Treaties....

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In a message dated 12/6/01 2:58:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Janice,

Though you couldn't hear it, you have been receiving a standing ovation here 
in Oregon for the last several hours!  :)

LG
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Though you couldn't hear it, you have been receiving a standing ovation here 
in Oregon for the last several hours!  :)

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In a message dated 12/5/01 7:49:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Excuse me?? I am a middle class woman who has worked since I was sixteen 
 years old. I GOT MARRIED and had my children and did not make the taxpayers 
 pay for them. I am now 53 and single. I do not have health insurance. I do 
 not get free medical care. I do not get food stamps or subsidized housing. 
If 
 I get sick I am out of luck. I have not had a checkup in twenty-five years. 
 Because I cannot afford it. But my pay is taxed to pay for unwed mothers and 
 illegal immigrants to get all those things. I am so sorry that you find it 
 uncivilized that I think I should be forced to pay for criminals and 
 irresponsible people to receive these things. I happen to think people 
should 
 be responsible for themselves. And that people who have broken our laws 
 (illegal immigrants) should not be rewarded for it. If you think that is 
 uncivilized so be it. janice >>


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In a message dated 12/5/01 2:56:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
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<< Conservatives is definatelly right, but not in absurdum. And liberal is 
the next step to the left. And I think that is as far as the American partys 
go. I mean the big partys. Not the local ones that has no say in the federal 
politics. Correct me if I'm wrong.  >>
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OK -- starting from one side and working to the other ... in the USA you have:
 -- right-wing whacko conservatives
 -- Right-Wing Conservatives**
 -- conservatives
 -- right-wing moderates
 -- moderates
 -- left-wing moderates
 -- liberals
 -- Left-Wing Liberals**
 -- left-wing whacko liberals

The loud minority in the USA are left-wing liberals ... the silent, but very 
tired majority are divided between right-wing moderates and conservatives ... 
but unfortunately, the left-wing liberal press only gives coverage to the 
right-wing whacko conservatives, so most of the world has a very skewed idea 
of what this country is all about.

I used the ** to designate the 2 catagories the majority of politicians fall 
into. With the understanding that there are no other catagories, you can see 
that conservatives and liberals in the USA are on opposite poles from each 
other.

The party that never runs a candidate for any election is probably the 
largest one in this country, and it definitely affects elections because 
there's no way to be sure which way any of them will vote ... and that's all 
the voters who declare themselves to be "Independant". 

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Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: {W&P} Bush & Treaties....

2001-12-06 Thread Ezeditor


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In a message dated 12/5/01 3:04:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< --Is it not so that those who own all those guns are feeling very unsafe 
in the society and that the fear of the goverment really has very little to 
do with all this? Those guns are used less skilful than when proffesionals 
handle them and accidents happens. If the society is so unsafe... is it still 
a good society? For all americans, not only for the rich? >>

<< and that the fear of the goverment really has very little to do with all 
this >>
> Actually, the fear of government has a LOT to do with it. I can't 
access my files right now, because the server is down, but stored there I 
have some very interesting quotes from an early 20th century U.S. Army 
training manual that are a real eye opener as to how one should feel about 
government and why being a republic is much better than being a democracy ...

Obviously, this was before political correctness took over, when the truth 
could still be told without fear of reprisals...

<< Those guns are used less skilful than when proffesionals handle them >>
> I'd have to disagree with that statement. I've never received any 
formal training -- just what I learned from my husband ... but I know that 
guns are NOT toys, that ALL guns are loaded -- even the "unloaded" ones ... 
that you never point a gun at anyone unless you intend to use it ... that 
shooting someone means you want to kill them ... and while I'm much better 
with my 30-30 than I am with a revolver, I can take the caps off of bottles 
at 25' with a .22 pistol.  

LG


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Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: {W&P} Bush & Treaties....

2001-12-05 Thread JaniceSturgill


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In a message dated 12/5/01 3:21:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


"O Lord, grant me the serenity to accept those things I cannot change, the 
strength to change the things I can, and the firepower to make the 
difference!"


I am stealing this one. It is wonderful!janice


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Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: {W&P} Bush & Treaties....

2001-12-05 Thread JaniceSturgill


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In a message dated 12/5/01 3:06:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
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> Yes, and if I drop my glases I would not be able to see any one before they 
> tap me om my shoulder, or wherever! (Se my smiley).
> 
> Claes
> §( :8-)
> 
> 

You are charming.   I don't usually say nice things to people who call me 
uncivilized,
But you seem very nice anyway. :):)janice


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Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: {W&P} Bush & Treaties....

2001-12-05 Thread JaniceSturgill


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> But what can a single (divorced and pensioned), middleaged man do about it? 
> One answere is to now and then tap away and sent my thoughts over the net. 
> Maybe it does some good to someone. I know it does to me.
>  
> Claes
> §( :8-) (portrait)
> 

You sound like a lovely man. Have you always lived in Sweden? Perhaps that is 
why you see things as you do. We are a MUCH younger country than yours. And 
we have STATES the size of your country. If you have not lived here I don't 
know how you could understand. If you read our History, you would know that 
this is a country that was founded by men who had a deep mistrust of 
government. They believed we would be better off taking care of ourselves and 
not letting the government have much power over how we lived. Right now about 
one-third of the people still feel that way. I am one of those people. About 
one-third think that the government is there to take care of them. But the 
government does not have any money of it's own. So it must take it from the 
people to give it to the other people who want to be taken care of. The other 
third of the people don't care what happens. janice


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Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: {W&P} Bush & Treaties....

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In a message dated 12/5/01 3:04:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
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> The standard of a culture is shown by the way it treats is less fortunate 
> members. They are members of that culture, right? So with this attitude I 
> think that you (and your friends alike) are going to create even more 
> unfortunate and in the end violent people. By more guns! You'l need them!
>  
> Claes
> §( :8-)
>  
> 

Excuse me?? I am a middle class woman who has worked since I was sixteen 
years old. I GOT MARRIED and had my children and did not make the taxpayers 
pay for them. I am now 53 and single. I do not have health insurance. I do 
not get free medical care. I do not get food stamps or subsidized housing. If 
I get sick I am out of luck. I have not had a checkup in twenty-five years. 
Because I cannot afford it. But my pay is taxed to pay for unwed mothers and 
illegal immigrants to get all those things. I am so sorry that you find it 
uncivilized that I think I should be forced to pay for criminals and 
irresponsible people to receive these things. I happen to think people should 
be responsible for themselves. And that people who have broken our laws 
(illegal immigrants) should not be rewarded for it. If you think that is 
uncivilized so be it. janice


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Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: {W&P} Bush & Treaties....

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In a message dated 12/5/01 3:05:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< and if I drop my glases I would not be able to see any one before they tap 
me om my shoulder, >>

Haven't got there yet ... being such a young thing! (hahahahaha)
But I need to upgrade to 2.0 reading glasses or go blind trying
to see whats on the screen.  :)

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<< I'm living in the south of Sweden, close to the Capital of Denmark, 
Copenhagen. >>
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Have you been to the Royal Ballet yet to see the special Xmas show?

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In a message dated 12/5/01 3:04:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< --Is it not so that those who own all those guns are feeling very unsafe 
in the society >>
__
My 2¢ ... Actually, I feel very safe because I do own guns. Just like Mr. 
Brite, of Florida, who, I'm sure, is very thankful that he also owns guns.

CORAL SPRINGS, Florida

 21-year-old Carl Lee Reese's luck went from bad to worse when 
 he carjacked a Lexus belonging to Paul Brite, 53. Brite was 
 confronted by the gunman at a carwash and forced to climb into 
 his own trunk. Reese drove off, but pulled to the side of the 
 road a short while later fearing Brite had a cellular phone 
 with him. When he opened the trunk the victim came out 
 brandishing two handguns that he had stored there earlier. 
 The kidnapper refused to comply with several commands to lie 
 on the ground, even after a warning shot. Brite was finally 
 forced to shoot his attacker in the abdomen when Reese reached 
 for his pocket. Police said they do not plan to charge Brite.

LG

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strength to change the things I can, and the firepower to make the 
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