OT RE: [wdvltalk] Illegal?

[J.R. Pitts]

This is offtopic...not even close...

The only reason I answer is to try and prevent you from doing something that
would get you jailed (in the States, at least).

Unless one of the provisions of your contract allows you to disable network
access for non-payment (unlikely) then this is illegal and unethical.

The only payment it would expedite is your bail payment, and perhaps lawsuit
payoff.

If they aren't paying, then quit working.

J.R.

-Original Message-
From: Nick Vidler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 8:02 AM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] Illegal?


HI

I have a customer that I built a network for, then maintained for several
months. I am still under contract to the company for a day a month
maintenance. The problem is they haven't paid me for a few months and no
amount of calls or e-mails gets more than a promise to raise a cheque. I
have the capability to VPN in to the server and lock all the users out, in
the perhaps misguided assumption that this would expedite payment. Is this
legal? I am still technically the system administrator although unpaid
recently. I am worried that if I did this I might be up for some sort of
hacking charge. Any advice or similar situations?

Nick Vidler
Web Developer.

Adacel Technologies (Europe) Limited,
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[wdvltalk] RE: Looking for instant messanger script

[J.R. Pitts]

Here, I compiled it for you... http://www.aol.com/downloads/aim.exe   ;~#)


j/k...


I don't know of any, and based on the nature of ASP, I don't see that it
would be reasonable. Both sides would have to initiate a reload of any page,
or have them timed to reload. Neither would be a pretty solution.

The nature of IM requires a connectioned protocol...and of course, ASP and
jscript even are connection-less, out-of-scope processes.

Pretty sure you're gonna need Java, at the minimum.

J.R. Pitts
http://www.wjponline.com



-Original Message-
From: Diane Schips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:29 PM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] Looking for instant messanger script


Hi all,

I'm looking for a simple Instant Messenger script for ASP.  I just want two
people, both of whom are logged into the site to be able to initiate and
carry on conversations with each other.  Can this be done, or is it a very
complicated thing.


Diane
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www.GreenFireHerbs.com




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[wdvltalk] RE: FrontPage Form Question

[J.R. Pitts]

After reading the other answers, let me clarify


ASP and FrontPage extensions CAN exist on the same server, and within the
same site. A fully functional ASP page can call an HTM page with fully
functional FrontPage components, and vice versa; you can even use frames to
display an HTM and ASP at the same time.

But, each individual file will only get processed by a single engine.

J.R. Pitts
http://www.wjponline.com



-Original Message-
From: jmwcruiser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:55 AM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] FrontPage Form Question


HI all-

I know this isn't a FrontPage group but I asked my question on the FP
newsgroup and got no answer so I thought I would try here.
I have created a form in FP that works fine as a .htm page. However the
page/form needs to be in the password protected area as a .asp page. When I
change the extension to .asp the form no longer works (I get no
acknowledgement page and no email of the form results).

I did a Google search but couldn't not find any answers.

Anyone got any ideas on what the problem might be and how to fix it?

Please don't suggest I quit using FrontPage -- that is what this client
wants so they can do small updates. I don't use any other FP components, but
the form handler is useful.

Thanks
Janet



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[wdvltalk] RE: FrontPage Form Question

[J.R. Pitts]

The FrontPage extension processor doesn't process ASP pages.

You know how when you look at the code you'll see comments in there marked
 or something like that?

Just like the ASP engine has to look at the file and process everything
between the <% %>'s the FP Extension engine has to go through it and process
everything between the delimeters it uses (I'm not really sure what they
are.)

Your page can either get processed by the FPExt processor, or by the ASP
processor, not both; it depends on the file extension. There is no way to
force a file through both processors. I assume MS has good technical reason
for that.

You'll have to either use the security built into FrontPage, or preferably,
move to all ASP and write your own form handlers.

After all, this _is_ a developers' group.

J.R. Pitts
http://www.wjponline.com






-Original Message-
From: jmwcruiser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:55 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] FrontPage Form Question


HI all-

I know this isn't a FrontPage group but I asked my question on the FP
newsgroup and got no answer so I thought I would try here.
I have created a form in FP that works fine as a .htm page. However the
page/form needs to be in the password protected area as a .asp page. When I
change the extension to .asp the form no longer works (I get no
acknowledgement page and no email of the form results).

I did a Google search but couldn't not find any answers.

Anyone got any ideas on what the problem might be and how to fix it?

Please don't suggest I quit using FrontPage -- that is what this client
wants so they can do small updates. I don't use any other FP components, but
the form handler is useful.

Thanks
Janet



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[wdvltalk] RE: Random display of .JPGs on an HTML page

[J.R. Pitts]

Yep. Exact. Even the variables are named the same. But you knew that.

Guess you REALLY learned it...correct.

J.R.



-Original Message-
From: Peter Vidal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 7:59 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: Random display of .JPGs on an HTML page



"Let me get this straight.
You used the concept she presented, used an old javascript manual you had
and applied the concept and then BAM! You ended up with the EXACT code that
I sent you in the link?

OOOkay.

J.R."

Jajajaja!  Well JR, technically, that may be possible.  In terms of order of
events, let's say that I was not capable of checking you recommendations
because
I was actually testing the code.  What I normally do is that I collect all
the
emails from the thread and analyze the recommendations one by one, but on
this
case, I never got a chance to check yours before I started to work on mine.

If I ended up with the EXACT code, then I think I have learned this approach
well... correct?

Thank you all!
Peter Vidal
Pall Aeropower Corp.
SR Programmer Analyst
WWW.Pall.com
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior
spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive
with our frail and feeble mind."
Albert Einstein



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[wdvltalk] RE: Random display of .JPGs on an HTML page

[J.R. Pitts]

u...huh?

Let me get this straight.
You used the concept she presented, used an old javascript manual you had
and applied the concept and then BAM! You ended up with the EXACT code that
I sent you in the link?

OOOkay.

J.R.

-Original Message-
From: Peter Vidal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:54 PM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: Random display of .JPGs on an HTML page



"She assumed you were using ASP, which- based on your response- you haven't
a
clue about (it's a server-side technology)"

You are right, J.R.  At the beginning it was complicated in terms of the
coding
but I grab the concept she presented and I used an old Javascript manual I
have
and applied the concept and thenBAM!  I got it!

I did this:





var theImages = new Array()

theImages[0] = 'PictureHeader_1.jpg'
theImages[1] = 'PictureHeader_2.jpg'
theImages[2] = 'PictureHeader_3.jpg'
theImages[3] = 'PictureHeader_4.jpg'

var j = 0
var p = theImages.length;
var preBuffer = new Array()
for (i = 0; i < p; i++){
   preBuffer[i] = new Image()
   preBuffer[i].src = theImages[i]
}
var whichImage = Math.round(Math.random()*(p-1));
function showImage(){
document.write('');
}







showImage();





Peter Vidal
Pall Aeropower Corp.
SR Programmer Analyst
WWW.Pall.com
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior
spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive
with our frail and feeble mind."
Albert Einstein



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[wdvltalk] RE: Am I out of touch? (web sizes)

[J.R. Pitts]

In your email...

-Original Message-
From: Ross Clutterbuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:18 AM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: Am I out of touch? (web sizes)


I'm sorry, I *have* to see this site now...how unprofessional would it be of
you to share an URL J.R.?

Pretty pretty please?

MOU


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[wdvltalk] RE: Am I out of touch? (web sizes)

[J.R. Pitts]

Not even a flash you can skip out of of.

It is just a bunch of jpg's that get swapped out in a slide show. But they
all must load before the page shows.



-Original Message-
From: Cheryl D. Wise [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 4:24 PM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: Am I out of touch? (web sizes)


Nope, time hasn't passed you by. Anyone who puts up a 1.1mg home page hasn't
a clue. Bad enough to put it on an internal page that people have to either
click a link or use a bookmark to get to but dropping that on them
unexpectedly is nuts.

What is it? Some sort of Flash or other media file?


Cheryl D. Wise
Certified Professional Web Developer
MS-MVP-FrontPage
www.wiserways.com
mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
713.353.0139 Office

-Original Message-----
From: J.R. Pitts

Without giving away the site I'm talking about, which is a competitor of one
of my clients...

Their home page is 1.1Mb. It takes about 25 seconds to download on my
broadband connection.

Am I out of touch to think that is ridiculous? The clientele is the entire
population, as it is a political web site.

Makes me happy that half of everybody won't wait around for the show, but I
just want some assurance that time hasn't passed me by.


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[wdvltalk] Am I out of touch? (web sizes)

[J.R. Pitts]

Without giving away the site I'm talking about, which is a competitor of one
of my clients...

Their home page is 1.1Mb. It takes about 25 seconds to download on my
broadband connection.

Am I out of touch to think that is ridiculous? The clientele is the entire
population, as it is a political web site.

Makes me happy that half of everybody won't wait around for the show, but I
just want some assurance that time hasn't passed me by.

Thanks,

J.R.


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[wdvltalk] RE: help with secure site

[J.R. Pitts]

Sent this yesterday, but it never came through...

"secure" is this context means that communications between your "user agent"
(browser) and the server are encrypted.

They are encrypted using an cipher based on an electronic key (certificate)
registered at a third-party certificate issuer, such as verisign, geotrust,
equifax. The certificate issuer is saying that the person at the other end
is who they say they are.

So verisign (or whomever) is saying that they've checked out superseeds.com
and that it is indeed owned and operated by Super Seeds, Corporation and not
by Suck Your Account Dry, Inc. out of China. You believe verisign because
they are just so darn trustworthy.

An expired cert just means the company hasn't paid their yearly renewal fee.

So, in your situation, you are communicating over an encrypted connection
with superseeds, but you have to believe them that they are in fact a
legitimate company.

The thing to note is that seeing a lock doesn't necessarily mean anything;
anyone can install a dummy certificate on their server (or even their
2000/XP Workstation running IIS). Of course, it will pop up an error about
unrecognized certificate issuer.

J.R. Pitts
http://www.wjponline.com

-Original Message-
From: Steve Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] help with secure site


Can someone help me understand "secure" websites?

On this site: http://www.superseeds.com/herb_seeds.htm , when I go to check
out I get a message saying that their secure certificate has expired. They
claim this is true, but that the connection is still "secure". On my pc in
IE6, I see a "closed lock", but in IE5 on mac I don't. On sites that I know
to be secure, I see the "closed lock" on both systems.

Can anyone explain to me if the site IS secure, and (if it is), how could it
be if the certificate has expired?

Many thanks!
steve

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[wdvltalk] RE: SCR and a JS problem: http://www.gojohnniego.com/

[J.R. Pitts]

That didn't seem to work...

IE is reporting the error in on line 58 char 3...which is

gSafeOnload[i]();

Error is that an object is expected.

I'm not good enough with js to know why this throws an error, but still
works.

Any other ideas?

Thanks




-Original Message-
From: Gerenday, Perry (P.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:07 PM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: SCR and a JS problem:
http://www.gojohnniego.com/


J.R. Pitts wrote:
>>> Both work (the slideshow and the scroll) but a javascript error comes
up. Can anyone help me with that? <<<

J.R.

Looks to me like the location of this script call is out of order:

SafeAddOnload(runSlideShow());

You're calling "runSlideShow()" before you have written it.
Move the call to a point after the runSlideShow() function and I bet it will
stop throwing an error.

Perry Gerenday
http://www.webinitiative.net


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[wdvltalk] SCR and a JS problem: http://www.gojohnniego.com/

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http://www.gojohnniego.com/

I am about ready to lock the layout and create the CMS functions, but
first...

Does this look okay on platforms other than W2K/IE6 and W2K/Opera6?

I don't necessarily care that it looks exactly the same, only presentable.


Also, on the first page, two different javascripts are running
window.onload, so I am using the SafeOnLoad from about.com


Both work (the slideshow and the scroll) but a javascript error comes up.
Can anyone help me with that?

Thanks,

J.R.


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[wdvltalk] RE: Why does this overlap? (...or Why Does IE suck?)

[J.R. Pitts]

Thanks, I'll give it a shot.

The entire "quirks" mode of CSS for layout is why I still use tables for
layout.

J.R.


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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: Why does this overlap? (...or Why Does IE suck?)


One problem you have is the use of the xml prolog. This causes IE6 to act in
quirks mode (making it like IE5.5). Remove that and see what happens.

I'd suggest a review of the standards for the use of tables:
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/tables.html

Validator says there are a number of xhtml errors. Those need to be fixed as
well before why can be solved.

Actually, if you want to use the table for layout, change the doctype to
just html not xhtml. You might even validate then. This is not a layout
which calls for a table so you're just complicating things by using xhtml.
Misuse css for style only and some of your problems will probably just
resolve themselves.

drew


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Subject: [wdvltalk] Why does this overlap? (...or Why Does IE suck?)

on http://gojohnniego.com/endorsements.asp

On some widths in IE, words on the right side of the center (main) content
column will overlap into the td cell next to it. You can see this by slowing
reducing the width of your viewing window.

I've tried fixing this with various margin settings, but it always seems to
happen. I've even wrapped it up in a margined DIV.

This doesn't happen in Opera.

My next is to add a blank td in, but I'd like to know WHY this happens, as
I've run into it before.

Thanks.

J.R.


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[wdvltalk] Why does this overlap? (...or Why Does IE suck?)

[J.R. Pitts]

on http://gojohnniego.com/endorsements.asp

On some widths in IE, words on the right side of the center (main) content
column will overlap into the td cell next to it. You can see this by slowing
reducing the width of your viewing window.

I've tried fixing this with various margin settings, but it always seems to
happen. I've even wrapped it up in a margined DIV.

This doesn't happen in Opera.

My next is to add a blank td in, but I'd like to know WHY this happens, as
I've run into it before.

Thanks.

J.R.


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[wdvltalk] RE: Coding help

[J.R. Pitts]

In Opera, it doesn't Vscroll, but there are gaps in the banner.

I didn't look close, but try changing the 100% td cell in the top table to
an "*" width.

J.R. Pitts
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-Original Message-
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Subject: [wdvltalk] Coding help


Hi everyone,

When you can, take a look at:

http://www.wstewart.com/designs/wvfamily/index.php

For some reason, the page stretches past the browser edge in 800x600 and
in 1024x768.  I have looked at the code and can't find what is wrong.

If you check out:

http://www.wstewart.com/designs/wvfamily/index.php?p=mission.php

it maintains the proper boundaries.

Can anyone tell me why?

Please note:  Because it is a work in progress most links do not work.

Thanks for the help!

Will Stewart


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[wdvltalk] Re: validations not working in opera

[J.R. Pitts]

One of the fields ("Amount") actually has a validation on it that is
supposed to fire (and does, in IE and Moz) onChange, so you wouldn't have to
submit to check that.

If you can give me an idea about why its not firing, it may be applicable to
the others.

Thanks,

J.R.




-Original Message-
From: Matthew Macdonald-Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:26 AM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: validations not working in opera


Any chance you could set up a development version so I don't get
charged? if I click on the button to trigger the vlidations, you get the
money, and that ain't right! :p

How 'bout an exact copy of the page that doesn't actually link off to
anywhere?

Matt

On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 04:30, J.R. Pitts wrote:
> I posted this on the javascript list and got no takers, so :
>
> On page
>
> https://www.gojohnniego.com/contribute2.asp
>
> I have several functions to validate the entries that seem to work fine in
> IE and Moz, but don't fire in Opera.
>
> Would someone take a look and tell me why and how to fix?
>
> THIS PAGE IS LIVE. If you click on Enter and submit valid information,
your
> card will be charged. So, unless you wish to contribute to the campaign
> (which we would welcome :) ) use caution.
>
> Thanks,
>
> J.R. Pitts
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[wdvltalk] validations not working in opera

[J.R. Pitts]

I posted this on the javascript list and got no takers, so :

On page

https://www.gojohnniego.com/contribute2.asp

I have several functions to validate the entries that seem to work fine in
IE and Moz, but don't fire in Opera.

Would someone take a look and tell me why and how to fix?

THIS PAGE IS LIVE. If you click on Enter and submit valid information, your
card will be charged. So, unless you wish to contribute to the campaign
(which we would welcome :) ) use caution.

Thanks,

J.R. Pitts

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[wdvltalk] RE: What mistake I have made?

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Posting this to the wrong list?

-Original Message-
From: Yumin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 1:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] What mistake I have made?


Hello all:

  I have a desk-top win2k-pro and a lap-top winXP-home, they are connected
simply
by a crossover cable for exchange files. This home network has been working
well
for months. Now I upgrade the winXP-home to winXP-pro and found the home
network
doesn't work again. The Lap-top side always says:

   "  zWorkgroup is not accessible. You might not have permission
 to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of
 this server to find out if you have access permission.

 The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently
 available. "


  Who could tell me what work I had missed? Thanks!


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[wdvltalk] RE: Kinda Silly Really: Setting up mail server behind Cable Modem/Router

[J.R. Pitts]

Exactly what port do you plan on routing the incoming mail to? The router is
blocking all of them.

You have to open the incoming mail port (110) and (if using NAT) redirect
all port 110 traffic to the appropriate private ip address. Oh, just re-read
that you have an MX to your server, so I assume you aren't using NAT. Just
open port 110.

J.R. Pitts
http://www.wjponline.com


-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 7:22 PM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] Kinda Silly Really: Setting up mail server behind
Cable Modem/Router


Hi all, I am trying to work out setting up a Mail Server while connecting to
the internet through a router and cable modem. The outgoing mail system
works fine but no incoming mail can be received (Port 110 blocked by ISP
maybe? or router? i dont know). I am using Apache Web server with JAMES for
the email server and it seems the configuration is fine. i have made an MX
(as well as a CNAME resolving to mail.c-omputersolutions.com) record with my
registrar pointing to my servers IP for the mail server and it seems to work
fine for outgoing but not incoming. is it the router? or cable modem? and if
so can i route the incoming mail to a different port?




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[wdvltalk] Re: Video WebCast

[J.R. Pitts]

AHA! SO THERE YOU ARE!!!

Sorry. I have a sick, and often inappropriate sense of humor.

-Original Message-
From: Diane Schips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: Video WebCast


Here's a scenario you may not have considered.  My ex-husband left 2 1/2
weeks before our daughter was born.  He saw her once when she was 3 1/2.  He
had come to court asking for visitation (Get this!  He wanted to take her
with him back to FL - we live in NY - to spend two weeks with him and his
new family!  This is the first she had ever seen him, and I never met the
new wife!) as blackmail/punishment for my attempting to collect child
support.  I even had a letter from him that said he would drop the
visitation request if I gave him a notarized statement that he wasn't the
father!  Well, the judge wouldn't let him take her with him, I supervised a
visit that afternoon (the only time they ever spent together), he never
showed any further interest in seeing her.  It may have had something to do
with the judge telling him that my statement wouldn't be enough, that a
paternity test would have to be done.

Soon after, he started threatening to kidnap her.  While I didn't exactly go
into hiding, I also didn't make it easy to find me.  My number wasn't listed
in the phone book for example.  My daughter's school always knew to be
especially careful about who to release her to.  The last thing I would have
wanted was for her picture to show up on any school website.

Then there's the ex-boyfriend who put me in the hospital when I tried to
leave him.  I haven't seen him in years, but I would really rather not
increase the chances of him finding out where my family and I are now.  This
would have been especially true when my daughter was little.

(I finally found a GOOD man, and am happily married.)

This could be a two edged sword of course.  Kidnapped children may be found
by someone seeing them on a website.  But there are also too many valid
reasons why a parent wouldn't want to advertise to any interested party:
Here I am!  Here are my children!  Be they ex-spouses, ex boy-girl friends,
other estranged family members, etc.  There are many crazy people in the
world, and too many of us meet our share.  Should the affected children not
be able to play school sports or otherwise participate in school events
because their parents refuse to sign a consent to video them?

Diane

-Original Message-
From: Peter MacGregor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:51 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: Video WebCast

I'll second that, Diane

I've done a school website for a Primary School in East Sussex (about 100
kids 4-11) and the Headmistress even had some photos of school sports
activities specially taken with all the kids looking _away_ from the camera
- or in class with their faces turned down towards their desks, or taken
from the back of the room!

The result in this case is that you see lots of kids - but no-one can see
if they are a happy bunch or not. (I thought that would be important for
parents wanting t choose a school and said so). To me they look as though
they are terrified of looking up in case the teacher get's mad at them!

They have even made me sign an undertaking not to publish the URL of the
site on any of my publicity material or client lists! Since it was only one
site of a number I've done, I didn't worry too much.

I know there are some nasty people out there that prey on little kids, (and
I won't say what I'd do to them - very slowly and very painfully, being a
parent myself) but I really think this is PC gone too far. How can anyone
possibly make contact with any child through this site? Individual kids
(nor the teachers for that matter) don't have their own email at school,
they are not named anywhere on the site and apart from hanging around
outside the school no-one couldn't contact them. Anyone hanging around
would soon get the strong arm of the law on their collar as the Police
Station is just 100 yards along the road and one of the uniformed PCs is
always hovering around at start and finish times - plus there is a school
crossing patrol lady as well watching what's going on. Every child has to
be collected by an adult known to the teachers every day (school rule). If
the known adult doesn't arrive, the child stays at school until the
teachers are satisfied the person collecting them is authorised to do so.

Peter MacGregor




At 11:06 26/08/2003, you wrote:
>I've found this discussion interesting, mainly because here in the UK most
>education authorities are advising schools to ban the use of video and
>still cameras at school events, because of the legal repercussions. They
>ask that the parent of every child in every video/photo give written
>consent before their children are filmed/photographed. Some parents are
>hotly in favour -"I don't want my child filmed by parents I don't know"

[wdvltalk] RE: CSS

[J.R. Pitts]

Not that ANYBODY asked me, or that ANYONE cares, but this whole
thread...this is why I still use tables for layout.

J.R. Pitts

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Stephen Caudill wrote:
>   Btw Jan, it seems like you've recovered from your funk quite smashingly!
I think we all have little periods like that, for me putting my brain to
task on something new always helps, which you've definitely been doing and
it shows.  Keep it up!
>
> -Stephen
> http://www.mechavox.com
>

Thanks for the compliments Stephen.

Jan
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[wdvltalk] RE: search engines and divs

[J.R. Pitts]

In general, anything you do that is clearly intended solely to influence
search engine ranking that doesn't improve the user experience is frowned
upon and might get you banned from the big search monsters.

I don't have links, but all the big guys, especially Google are on record
that the best way to improve your rank is to improve your site: add more
relevant content; organize it better using standard HTML (ie...use Header
tags).

How sophisticated are their bots at sniffing out CSS tricks? Don't know, and
they aren't saying. But you can assume you aren't the first to think of
anything.

my $.03,

J.R. Pitts

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Hi folks,
A web client of mine suggested putting divs on his pages that contain
keywords and links, but with the div having  coordinates which put it off
the viewable page (negative numbers). Anyone know if this is frowned on by
search engines? I can't find comment on it anywhere.

Thanks,

steve miller

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[wdvltalk] RE: Pie Charts in ASP pages

[J.R. Pitts]

http://www.serverobjects.com/comp/Aspimage.htm

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Hello all,

I need to add a Pie Chart to an ASP page.  The data needs to be current but
not real time.  Any thoughts?

TIA,
Bill Mais


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[wdvltalk] Re: FW: centering a page

[J.R. Pitts]

I went back and tried it again, and it works on my test case (don't know
what I screwed up before.)

Thanks,

J.R.

PS...I still don't think I'll be using CSS for layout on client sites very
soon. Still too unpredictable.

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J.R.,
When I downloaded your page & stylesheet to my machine and set it up with
the auto-width margins centering, it seems to works fine (IE 6 on
Win2k).  I did have to change the example's width and id specified for the
main container element to match those of your page; all I did was replace
the body and FullContainer formatting in your stylesheet with

body {
 margin:50px 0px; padding:0px;
 text-align:center;
 }

#FullContainer {
 width:700px;
 margin:0px auto;
 text-align:left;
 padding:15px;
 }

Let me know if you want me to send you a screenshot.  What browser are you
testing on?

Amanda


At 11:03 PM 3/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>Thanks Amanda, but it didn't work. I tried both methods, and several
>combinations and permutations thereof.
>No dice.
>
>Hopefully someone will be able to help.
>
>http://64.37.97.190/center.html
>
>J.R.
>
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>
>
>Hi,
>Horizontal centering can be done purely with CSS.  Check out
>http://bluerobot.com/web/layouts/ and read the  "Related Info at BlueRobot"
>snippet at the bottom of the page ... it has links to two methods.
>
>HTH,
>Amanda Birmingham
>Web Application Developer


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[wdvltalk] Re: FW: centering a page

[J.R. Pitts]

Thanks Amanda, but it didn't work. I tried both methods, and several
combinations and permutations thereof.
No dice.

Hopefully someone will be able to help.

http://64.37.97.190/center.html

J.R.

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Hi,
Horizontal centering can be done purely with CSS.  Check out
http://bluerobot.com/web/layouts/ and read the  "Related Info at BlueRobot"
snippet at the bottom of the page ... it has links to two methods.

HTH,
Amanda Birmingham
Web Application Developer


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[wdvltalk] FW: centering a page

[J.R. Pitts]

Jim,

I am returning this to the list, so in case some one else might help...I
didn't realize with the last message you had gone offlist.

Yeah, if I wrap it in a table, all is well; but what I failed to mention
(sorry) was that I was explicitly trying to NOT use tables. Everyone keeps
talking about this "table-less design crap" so I thought I'd give it a try.

This is for a personal fun page, so it doesn't have to be real
cross-browser, but I just wanted to give DIVs as layout a try.

Any other ideas? Anyone? CSS gurus?

(example of problem is at web address below)

J.R.




Thanks for your response.

I did put it up so you can see.

Start at http://64.37.97.190/center.html

Thanks,

J.R.
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Subject: centering a page


hey there JR had to be something simple like this:
wrap the whole darn thing into a table and align='center' the table!  see if
that works. my 'puter is at 800 x 600 so i can't view it bigger (without all
my desktop icons re-arranging, lol). but it looks like it's working.
see ex. attached.   hope that works!

~Jim


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[wdvltalk] CSS help needed in centering a page

[J.R. Pitts]

Take the following simplified air code, in which I've removed everything
except the DIV tags:



  




  
  
  
  
  
  
  




This creates a page that displays correctly, with all the DIVs showing up in
the right place. The only problem is that the whole thing is flush left.

I want it centered. I had hoped that wrapping everything up in the
"FullContainer" DIV would allow me to center it, and have everything else
move over accordingly. But when I center "FullContainer", "Banner" acts
appropriately (since its first and the widest), but the other DIVs center
themselves with respect to the window.

What should happen (in my mind) is that InfoCard and Left should line up
flush with the left side of Banner.


How can I do this?

Thanks,

J.R.


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[wdvltalk] RE: CNN.com - Scientists: Internet speed record smashed - Mar. 7, 2003

[J.R. Pitts]

>>Wonder if this is faster than the speed of light?

??

Since it IS light, how could it possibly by faster than itself?

If they figured out how to get light to travel faster than itself...now THAT
would really be something.

Sorry. Just picking. I can't figure out my CSS-P problem so I'm ornery.

J.R.



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- Mar. 7, 2003


Now that's what I call high-speed internet access!!! Thought some of you
would find this interesting. Wonder if this is faster than the speed of
light?

Mary Rusinko - Omaha, NE

+++

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/03/07/speed.record/index.html

Scientists: Internet speed record smashed
By Jeordan Legon
CNN
Friday, March 7, 2003 Posted: 1:50 PM EST (1850 GMT)



RELATED
• Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

(CNN) -- Offering a glimpse of a faster digital future, researchers
announced they have set a new Internet speed record.

Scientists at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center used fiber-optic
cables to transfer 6.7 gigabytes of data -- the equivalent of two DVD
movies -- across 6,800 miles in less than a minute.

Pushing the tech envelope
The team was able to transfer uncompressed data at 923 megabits per
second for 58 seconds from Sunnyvale, California, to Amsterdam,
Netherlands. That's about 3,500 times faster than a typical Internet
broadband connection.

"By exploring the edges of Internet technologies' performance envelope,
we are improving our ... ability to implement new networking
technologies," said Les Cottrell, assistant director of the Stanford
Linear Accelerator Center, a national laboratory operated by Stanford
University for the U.S. Department of Energy.

The experiment could "bring high-speed data transfer to practical
everyday applications, such as doctors at multiple sites sharing and
discussing a patient's [heart test results] to diagnose and plan
treatment," he added.

On average, the amount of information that can be transferred over the
Internet has doubled every year since 1984, scientists said. That trend
is expected to continue.

Breaking their record
FACT BOX
The data was sent via fiber-optic cables from Sunnyvale, California, to
Chicago, Illinois. From Chicago, the data was relayed to Geneva,
Switzerland, and from there on to Amsterdam, Netherlands. The information
traveled the 6,800 miles in less than a minute.

Already, Cottrell said he and other scientists have conducted further
experiments that break their own record. But those tests have not been
certified by Internet2, a consortium of 200 universities researching the
future of the Internet, and they must wait for further confirmation
before an announcement, he said.

Initially, Stanford Linear Accelerator Center employees expect to use the
faster data transfer speeds to share massive amounts of research
collected by physicists studying the fundamental building blocks of
matter. But in the long term, Internet users and businesses could benefit
from the findings.

"Imagine ... being able to download two full-length, two-hour movies
within a minute," Cottrell said. "That changes the whole idea of how
media is distributed."

Getting there won't be easy, said Harvey Newman, a physics professor at
the California Institute of Technology who participated in the center's
research.

Allowing clean transfers
You have this inversion where the limitations on advances will not be
the speed of the Internet but rather the speed of your computer.
-- Harvey Newman, California Institute of Technology


Scientists were able to get 93 percent efficiency out of their
record-setting connection because they didn't have to share bandwidth,
they received donated equipment in excess of $1 million and they changed
the setting of Internet protocols to allow faster data transfers, Newman
said.

Even if they could transfer vast amounts of data tomorrow at reasonable
prices, Newman noted that present-day computers are unable to handle such
loads.

"You have this inversion where the limitations on advances will not be
the speed of the Internet but rather the speed of your computer," he
said.

Scientists said the finding announced Thursday hopefully will help
researchers develop a clearer plan for faster online technologies.

"We don't have a vision of the future of the Internet yet," Newman said.
"It's a whole new world for which you can see the first few ideas, but we
don't really know what it will be about."

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[wdvltalk] RE: Linux

[J.R. Pitts]

linuxiso.org has them all. Or close to it.

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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:22 PM
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Hi list,

Well, after reading the article Ken sent on the list,
can anyone recommend a url to get a 'good' distribution
of Linux, (security enhanced, red-hat based, etc.?).

I've already searched, and there are so many websites
that distribute free versions, I would really appreciate
the list's help in this decision.

Jan

http://www.jdvisions.com
Web Development and Design


Subject: A must read
From: zazen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:35:22 +1100
X-Message-Number: 3

This link was posted on the marketing list for Open Office (open
source version of StarOffice).  It is a must read - very perceptive
and insightful.

http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit029.html

enjoy!

Ken
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[wdvltalk] RE: Alt tag question

[J.R. Pitts]

Sherry,

I seem to remember you using DW as your editor; it should make site-wide
changes easier.

Validating against Bobby or W3C can be frustrating, but it gets more
natural. For instance, I just checked a new site I'm doing against the Bobby
validator that someone else sent you and got all the way up to Priority 3
before an error right out of the box. Lucky.

Compliance with standards is important of course, but let me tell you what I
do before even worrying about validating. I use the Opera browser. With it I
can hit "g" and turn off all graphics. Then "Ctrl-G" turns off the style
sheet.

In half a second this gives me:

A real good idea of what blind users can "see" of my page,

A real good idea of what search engines think of my page, and

A real good idea of what mobile (phone, PDA) devices get from my page.

Unless someone specifically requests a particular compliance, I probably
spend more time worrying about how my page passes this "test" than I do the
actual validator.

J.R.



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Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 6:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: Alt tag question


JR,
I just went in and did a Find in the HTML and put alt tags on the two
spacers on
the page. I feel like a genius. Now I realize I need to do that sitewide. It
must be maddening to rely on alt tags and have some be anonymous and not
know
what they are.

JR, it's probably going to be a cold day in hell before I make it past the
W3C
validator. I tried both Bobby and W3C with dismal results. I go back from
time
to time (in my Voluminous Spare Time with all my Extra Energy) and peck away
at
it. You will all KNOW the exact time and day I ever pass this site through
W3C.
For my first trick, I do need to overcome my fear, paw through my "web tips"
file for the advice folks here have given me and write that DOCTYPE
statement.

I'm about ready to start doing a CSS tutorial so I can add the font,
something
and something else CSS style indicators to my mix. (I can never remember the
names of two of the three CSS labels/attributes/directions/tags NN 4.7
supports.) I've been putting this off for a lng time. I need to make
some
content changes first (like updating the "What's New" page--or renaming it
"MCCD--A Historical Perspective").

Before you even ask, I use NN 4.7 as my default browser, as does almost
everyone
else in what's laughingly known as my Real Life. I also, after consulting
with a
friend who works for Burlington Coat Factory, decided to do what they do and
create the site for the lowest common denominator. If it's good enough for
Burlington, it's good enough for me. I figure that way everyone (my boss,
for
one) can use the site. I'm not hindered by the boredom of repetitive
tables--too
busy trying not to drown in a sea of nearly incomprehensible technology--so
that's not a factor for me.

Finally, how very ironic that I, of all people, should be the person who
asks an
on-topic question. I'm sure my peers who now me over time are quite amused
by
this, as I often forget what list I'm on and zig when I should zag. I
haven't a
clue what they're discussing but I often hear terms like PHP, MySQL, ASP and
.net bandied about. I think maybe you've come on board at a time in which
other
things have crept in. I don't understand most of them, either.

Thank you for your advice. I totally love this list. Someday I may actually
understand its content.

Sherry

"J.R. Pitts" wrote:

> I looked at your site and all the alt tags are showing up, except for your
> spacer images.
>
> Isn't bobby the accessibility validator? You won't even make it past the
W3C
> validator until you get rid of your *margin specs (move to style sheet)
and
> add a DOCTYPE declaration.
>
> Not that you asked, but in general, the page looks good.
>
> And thanks for the "ONTOPIC"! Between virus info, Home Networking, Win XP,
> etc ad nausem, I had figured this list was becoming very
"unsubscribe-able".
>


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[wdvltalk] RE: Alt tag question

[J.R. Pitts]

I sent this once but it didn't show up. I apologize to everyone if this
duplicates.

I looked at your site and all the alt tags are showing up, except for your
spacer images. You should specify an alt for those to (the name attribute
doesn't cover it.)

A shot in the dark about why they don't show up on your machine. Do you
maybe have a previous version cached? Try reloading to see if it helps.

Isn't bobby the accessibility validator? You won't even make it past the W3C
validator until you get rid of your *margin specs (move to style sheet) and
add a DOCTYPE declaration.

Not that you asked, but in general, the page looks good.

And thanks for the "ONTOPIC"! Between virus info, Home Networking, Win XP,
etc ad nausem, I had figured this list was becoming very "unsubscribe-able".


J.R.


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[wdvltalk] RE: Alt tag question

[J.R. Pitts]

I looked at your site and all the alt tags are showing up, except for your
spacer images. You should specify an alt for those to (the name attribute
doesn't cover it.)

A shot in the dark about why they don't show up on your machine. Do you
maybe have a previous version cached? Try reloading to see if it helps.

Isn't bobby the accessibility validator? You won't even make it past the W3C
validator until you get rid of your *margin specs (move to style sheet) and
add a DOCTYPE declaration.

Not that you asked, but in general, the page looks good.

And thanks for the "ONTOPIC"! Between virus info, Home Networking, Win XP,
etc ad nausem, I had figured this list was becoming very "unsubscribe-able".


J.R.


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From: sherry young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 12:51 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] Alt tag question


Wow, I'm actually asking a question. On topic, even.

I'm working on the district website, after a prolonged rest period. One
nagging question I'd love an answer to is: Why don't my alt tags all show up
on the page? If/when you go to the index page:

the alt tags for the rectangular buttons at the top, labeled "town
officials"
and "professionals" (and probably several other tags but I'm not quick
enough
to catch them before they load) do not appear, despite the fact they
certainly
have been tapped into my DW and seem to appear in the HTML.

I did notice, when I ducked under the hood this morning (cursing myself as I
did so for taking that prolonged rest) that the "educator" image is called
"Image191" on Line 108. I don't know if that's a JS thing or not, but it
does
not look consistent with the rest of the code and consistency is, I've
decided, my dearest friend in web development.

I thank anyone who cares to take a look and shed some light on this matter.
I'll never pass Bobby (Bobbie?), for one thing, until I get the alt tags to
actually show up.

Sherry from New Hampshire


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[wdvltalk] RE: Passing and saving form variables

[J.R. Pitts]

You could create a new form that had hidden values like you say. It's
appears you are creating an letter where you are wanting to preview what it
will actually look like. If so, that is probably your best bet. If you are
just wanting them to approve of their entries, you could post the page to
itself, post the results back into themselves.

ie.

">

Another, more involved option, if the first paragraph describes accurately
what you are wanting to do, is use javascript to interactively build the
letter clientside based on a form on the bottom of the screen (using
onChange event handlers.) Maybe a little gangly, but so is using three pages
to process one form.

J.R.



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Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 5:42 PM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] Passing and saving form variables


I am passing form values to a "preview" page so that the person can
preview the result, then choose to submit (which takes you to the
processing page) or edit (which takes you back).  So on the "preview
page" I have code such as
dim strDearName = Request.Form("txtDearName")

Now I am having problems passing the values on to the final page once
the person approves and hits "Submit".  Do I need to just add hidden
fields down in the new  that has the values from above?  Or
is there an easier way.  I'm coding this in ASP.

Hope this isn't too confusing.  Thanks in advance for any assistance!!

Todd



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[wdvltalk] RE: Why won't this SQL work in Jet ADO?

[J.R. Pitts]

Alright, you asked for it... ;)
Additional question at the end.


strSource="SELECT [users].[id] as id, [users].[name] as username,
[rights].[object] as object, [tblEditableObjects].[Title] as title,
[rights].[rite] as rite FROM users " & _

"INNER JOIN (rights LEFT JOIN tblEditableObjects ON [rights].[object] =
[tblEditableObjects].[Name]) " & _
"ON [users].[login] = [rights].[userid] " & _
"WHERE [users].[id]=" & request.QueryString("id")
DBOpen()

if NOT adRST.eof then
response.Write(adRST.eof & "," & adRST.recordcount)
response.Write("Edit Rights for ")
response.Write(adRST.fields.item("username"))
response.Write("")
%>
<% while not adRST.eof
response.Write(adRST.recordcount)
response.Write("Rights for:")
response.Write(adRST.fields.item("object"))
response.Write(" '")
response.Write(adRST.fields.item("title"))
response.Write("'")
adRST.movenext
   wend
end if %>


The actual database work is handled by the DBOpen fx:


'EXPECTS: strSource (SQL command); Set strCursType, strCursLoc, strLockType
if not defaults.
Function DBOpen
on error resume next   'for next line
if adRST.State>0 then  ' this SHOULDN'T happen!
response.Write("alert('Error. DB Left Open! " & 
adRST.Source &
"')")
DBClose()
end if
on error goto 0
dim objErr
if sysDebug then
response.Write("--Function
DBOpen()-strSource=" & strSource & "")
end if
Set adRST = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset")
adRST.ActiveConnection = "Provider=" + strProvider + ";Data Source=" +
strDataSource +";"
adRST.CursorType = strCursType
adRST.CursorLocation = strCursLoc
adRST.LockType = strLockType
adRST.Source = strSource
adRST.Open()
'reset these settings to default, so I don't have to set them unless
non-default needed
strCursType = adOpenForwardOnly
strCursLoc  = adUseServer
strLockType = adLockReadOnly
strProvider = sysDBProvider
strDataSource = sysCMSFileSpec
strCmdType = adCmdUnknown

if sysDebug then
if not adRST.eof then
response.Flush()
response.Write("Returned data:")
astrDebug=adRST.getrows()
adRST.movefirst
response.Write("astrDebug is " & ubound(astrDebug,1) & 
" by " &
ubound(astrDebug,2) & "")
response.Flush()
for i=0 to (ubound(astrDebug,1))
for j=0 to (ubound(astrDebug,2))
response.Write(astrDebug(i,j) & " ")
next
response.Write("")
next
response.Write("--End--")
else
response.Write("---| NO DATA 
RETURNED
|---")
end if
response.Write("- END OF DBOpen()-")
end if
end function





When I run the page, if I turn sysDebug on, in the relevant section I get

--Function DBOpen()-
strSource=SELECT [users].[id] as id, [users].[name] as username,
[rights].[object] as object, [tblEditableObjects].[Title] as title,
[rights].[rite] as rite FROM users INNER JOIN (rights LEFT JOIN
tblEditableObjects ON [rights].[object] = [tblEditableObjects].[Name]) ON
[users].[login] = [rights].[userid] WHERE [users].[id]=4

Edit Rights for
Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights
for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for:
''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for:
''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for:
''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for:
''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for:
''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for:
''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for: ''Rights for:

repeating until the script times out.



As you can see from my debug routines, after the  "Function DBOpen-"
line I should get either a "Returned data" message or a "No returned data"
message. But I get none of the response.writes, not even the "ENd of DBOpen"

And the "Rig

[wdvltalk] RE: Refresh main window on closing popup window.

[J.R. Pitts]

I could be way off base here (just awoke, no coffee yet), but can you open
your window with showModalDialog? Then the next line in your script could be
your reload.

J.R.


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Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:56 AM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] Refresh main window on closing popup window.


Hi all can some body please point out the correct method to go about
refreshing/reloading the main window after you have closed a popup window.

I am uploading thumbnail images from inside the popup, then returning to a
list page showing the thumbnail images. Problem is at the moment I close
the pop up with window.close() this is ok but you have to refresh the main
original window to see the image you have just U/L. I tried putting
onGotFocus in the body tag to run window.location.reload() but this puts
it into a bad loop.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Stephen


code to open popup:

var window1 = null

  function InfoWindow(page, width, height)
  {
   var string =
"width="+width+",height="+height+",resizable=1,scrollbars=1";
if (!window1  || window1.closed)
 {
 window1 = window.open(page, "",string);
 if (window1.opener) window1.opener = window
}
   else
{
  window1.focus()
  window1.location = page
}
return false; // for onclick
  }

***
launched from href:

"
onclick="InfoWindow('/asp/admin/Upload_Image.asp?ID=<%=rs("HID")%>', 400,
400);return
false">

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[wdvltalk] RE: Need CSS Fix, please...

[J.R. Pitts]

Thanks. I see the error of my ways.

J.R.

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Caudill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: Need CSS Fix, please...


J.R.,
  You had extra padding and margins added to your ".youttable a:hover"
style.  I eliminated this and added:

.youthtable a{
border: transparent 1px;
}

to compensate for the addition of borders on mouseover and its not jumping
around anymore.

the style for ".youttable a:hover" should be:

.youthtable a:hover {
text-decoration: none;
background-color: #FF;
border: 1px solid #9933CC;
}

You dont need a box model hack, just remember that margins and padding take
up physical space and if they are only there on hover, you will push your
design around.

HTH,
Stephen Caudill


J.R. Pitts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> I need a fix for the menu in the middle. It works correctly in Opera,
> not in IE6. It should somewhat approximate XP menu mouseovers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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[wdvltalk] Need CSS Fix, please...

[J.R. Pitts]

I could probably figure this out, but I have ALOT of ASP coding still to do,
so I ask for help from somebody who can just look at it and know.

check out the site:

www.fbcpc.com/beta  password is 'gobucs'

Choose 'Music Ministry' then 'Youth Music'

I need a fix for the menu in the middle. It works correctly in Opera, not in
IE6. It should somewhat approximate XP menu mouseovers.

I remember something about a box model hack, but don't know how to use it
here.

Feel free to look around and make other comments/suggestions. You can edit,
if you like. Just remember, not all the coding is done.

Thanks,

J.R.


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[wdvltalk] RE: Flash and corporate sites

[J.R. Pitts]

Well, I diabled my plugin, and the page markup I got, in its entirety is
this:













The result is basically a black border, then a white border, big red box.

Viva la Flash!

J.R.



-Original Message-
From: Cheryl D. Wise [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:32 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: Flash and corporate sites


What a mess. Since I do have flash installed I was trying to determine from
the code what the visitor would see if they didn't have flash installed.
Frameset upon nested frameset and not a single  tag that I could
find.

I'm actually glad you posted this site because I'm having to fill in for
another teacher the end of the week in the multimedia class. Topic
appropriate and in appropriate uses of multimedia primarily flash on
websites.

This will make a great example of a very inappropriate use. Got any more or
any great uses of flash, shockwave or other multimedia?

Cheryl D. Wise
WiserWays
Office: 713.353.0139
Mobile: 713.412.0406
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


> -Original Message-
> From: David Blakey
>
> Someone commented recently on how a number of corporate sites have
> elementary coding problems.
>
> If you do not have Flash installed, then try going to
> www.coke.co.nz.  This
> is CocaCola's NZ site.
>


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[wdvltalk] RE: Site critique - Chamber of Commerce

[J.R. Pitts]

XHTML 2? Guess I'm behind again.

Geez, Yeah, I understand the subtle distinction, but sounds like some people
in the association are getting anal! ;)

J.R.

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Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: Site critique - Chamber of Commerce


Hi J.R.,

> The  is the line break, and it is NOT deprecated.

It's gone for good in XHTML 2 - instead of doing

  'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
  Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
  All mimsy were the borogroves,
  And the mome raths outgrabe.

You'll be doing

  "Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
  The jaws the bite, the claws that catch!
  Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
  The frumious Bandersnatch!"

The idea is that *lines* are structural, whereas line *breaks* are
presentational: a subtle but important distinction.

Cheers
Jon

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[wdvltalk] RE: Site critique - Chamber of Commerce

[J.R. Pitts]

Well, first, the  tag is for bold. And it is not necessarily deprecated.


The  is the line break, and it is NOT deprecated.


Not sure if there is a list on w3c of depracated tags or not.

J.R.

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Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: Site critique - Chamber of Commerce


Do you think there's a list on the w3c site of deprecated tags? Seems as if
there should be... Do you suppose I would find it under the term "deprecated
tags"?

If the  tag is going to go the way of the dodo bird, how do I make a
one-line
break?  I *know* someone (one of the Cheryls???)
just told me this recently but I seem to have misfiled it. I was *sure* I'd
remember it, too, because I use the  tag a lot as I mostly don't like the
double spaces produced by . Now that I know it's becoming obselete
(though I
don't understand why) I can see why it's not done by my DW 3.0 software so
I'll
stop kicking poor old DW around for that trait.

Thanks, J.R.
Sherry

"J.R. Pitts" wrote:

> means a tag used to be in the official standards but is in the process of
> being removed.
>


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[wdvltalk] RE: Site critique - Chamber of Commerce

[J.R. Pitts]

means a tag used to be in the official standards but is in the process of
being removed.

Still official, so user agents should continue to render it, but its use in
new development is frowned upon, as it will be OBSOLETE in the future.

once a tag goes obsolete, I believe, agents need no longer render it to be
considered "standard"


That's my interpretation, so w3c.org for a better one.

J.R.



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Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:17 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: Site critique - Chamber of Commerce


Okay, time for another one of my world famous dopey questions: What does it
mean
for a tag to be "deprected"? I've heard this term many times before and have
been hoping to figure it out through contextual cues. I've met with a
stunning
lack of success using this approach so it's time to ask directly: what's a
deprecated tag?

Thank you to anyone who answers.
Sherry

"Trusz, Andrew" wrote:

>  Deprecated  and  all over the place.


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[wdvltalk] RE: Image of GB Map

[J.R. Pitts]

>>>I don't see a terms and conditions link anywhere, but that doesn't mean
>>>they're free for the taking - might be worth checking with about.com that
>>>they're OK to use.


But I would take the word "free" in the page title to mean its probably okay
;)

J.R.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: Image of GB Map


Hi Jim,

> Bit of a longshot, but I need a flat map of great britain
> without all of the roads or hills & mountains shown to use on the web.

If you only want the outline, how's this?
  http://geography.about.com/library/blank/blxuk.htm

You could probably stick blobs for major cities on there without getting
them too much out of place ;-)

They have outlines for most countries at
  http://geography.about.com/library/blank/blxindex.htm

I don't see a terms and conditions link anywhere, but that doesn't mean
they're free for the taking - might be worth checking with about.com that
they're OK to use.

Cheers
Jon

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[wdvltalk] Re: A recap

[J.R. Pitts]

J.R. Pitts, SWM, 35, Plant City, Florida.

First computer experience: walked into a Radio Shack and typed "Jason Pitts
loves Kristin Horak" on a Model 1 Level 1. Got scared because I didn't know
how to get it off the screen and was afraid she'd see it. (BACKSPACE YOU
MORON!)

Started BASIC programming and kept bumping into RAM limits. First the 4K,
then 16K, 48K, and 64K. Kept coding-- doing extremely well in then-popular
"programming contests", even at the national level-- through 1st year in
college or so. Then got interested in networking. I was one of the first 10
Novell CNE's in Florida, and at the time, the youngest CNE in the world. I
was like 20 at the time; now I hear of 12 year olds doing it.

First computer job was as a junior is HS, installing/running/coding software
for an insurance company. Continued in various computers jobs, specializing
in networking, until I opened my own business about 9 years ago. I
sell/support computers and networks, but am moving into more services.

Started web paging probably '95 or so. I have done several sites for profit,
mostly static sites. A couple of lite database search/retrievals. Do the
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[wdvltalk] RE: IIS Permissions & FSO

[J.R. Pitts]

It's too early in the morn for me to swallow your code. Well, I asked for
it, didn't I?

Are the SQL commands what are actually being created, or what you think is
being created?

I would add some response.writes to the "fso stuff" loop to determine if and
how long the loop is active. Maybe a counter just previous to the
rs.movenext and output the variables your using.

Sorry, not much help.

J.R.


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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: IIS Permissions & FSO



Everything works great .. if you are a member of ISS, but if you are in
a lesser NT User Group then it gets caught in a loop when it is writing to
the file. The process has to be killed. Upon checking the file the only
thing written to the file are the field names which the page knows from the
first page (w/form).



post code


- Here's the code

<%@ Language=VBScript %>
<%Response.Buffer = True %>
  




Year to Year Expenditure Comparison Results

<%
Session.Timeout = 1400
Server.ScriptTimeout = 4000
On Error Resume Next

dbName = ""
strFieldNames = ""
strOrderBy = ""
strOrder = ""
fileCreated = false

If Request.Form("agencyNum") <> "" Then
  agencyNum = Request.Form("agencyNum")
Else
  agencyNum = 0
End IF

If Request.Form("chkDBName") <> "" Then
  databaseArray = Split(Request.Form("chkDBName"), ",", -1, 1)
End If

'get fields and set order
If Request.Form("chkFieldName") <> "" Then
  strFieldNames = Request.Form("chkFieldName")
  For i = 1 to 4
If Request.Form("orderBy"&i&"") <> "" Then
  If strOrderBy = "" then
strOrderBy = strOrderBy & Request("orderBy"&i&"")
  else
strOrderBy = strOrderBy & "," & Request("orderBy"&i&"")
  end if
End If
  Next
  If strOrderBy <> "" then
orderByArray = Split(strOrderBy, ",", -1, 1)
  End If
  For x  = 0 to UBound(orderByArray)
if InStr(strFieldNames,orderByArray(x)) then
  If strOrder = "" then
strOrder = strOrder & orderByArray(x)
  else
strOrder = strOrder & "," & orderByArray(x)
  end if
end if
  Next
End If

fieldNameArray = Split(strOrder, ",", -1, 1)
If strOrder <> "" then
  strOrder = strOrder & ", "
end if

strSQL = ""
strSQL = "CREATE TABLE #Yr_Yr_Exp_Compare ("
  For k = 0 to UBound(fieldNameArray)
strSQL = strSQL & "[" & fieldNameArray(k) & "] [char] (10)
NULL, "
Next
strSQL = strSQL &"[ObjClcd] [char] (7) NULL, "
strSQL = strSQL & " [Amt] [money] NULL, " & _
  "[Year] [int])"
'Response.Write (""& strSQL & "")
'Response.End
MyConn.Execute(strSQL)

strSQL = ""

For i = 0 to UBound(databaseArray)
  yr = right(databaseArray(i),2)
  if i = UBound(databaseArray) then
dbName = databaseArray(i)
  end if
  strSQL = "INSERT INTO #Yr_Yr_Exp_Compare " & _
  "SELECT "
For k = 0 to UBound(fieldNameArray)
  strSQL = strSQL & fieldNameArray(k) & ","
Next
strSQL = strSQL &" "& databaseArray(i) & ".dbo.vExpAgncy"&
agencyNum & ".ObjClcd AS ObjClcd,"
strSQL = strSQL & " Sum(Amt) AS SumOfAmt, " & _
yr & " AS Year" & _
   " FROM "& databaseArray(i) & ".dbo.vExpAgncy"& agencyNum
strSQL = strSQL &" GROUP BY "& strOrder
strSQL = strSQL &" "& databaseArray(i) & ".dbo.vExpAgncy"&
agencyNum & ".ObjClcd"
  'Response.Write (""& strSQL & "")
  MyConn.Execute(strSQL)
  If Err.Number <> 0 Then
Session("errmsg") = "That agency number is not valid! "&
Err.Description
Response.Redirect ("yr_to_yr_exp_comparisons.asp")
Err.Clear
  End If
Next

'Response.End
strSQL = ""
strSQL = "SELECT P1.*" & _
" FROM (SELECT "
For k = 0 to UBound(fieldNameArray)
  strSQL = strSQL & "#Yr_Yr_Exp_Compare."&fieldNameArray(k)& ",
"
Next
strSQL = strSQL & " #Yr_Yr_Exp_Compare.ObjClcd, " & _
dbName&".dbo.ttbObjNames.ObjName, "
For j = 0 to UBound(databaseArray)
  yr = right(databaseArray(j),2)
  if j < UBound(databaseArray) then
strSQL = strSQL & " SUM(CASE #Yr_Yr_Exp_Compare.Year WHEN "&
yr &" THEN #Yr_Yr_Exp_Compare.Amt ELSE 0 END) AS FY"&yr &","
  else
strSQL = strSQL & " SUM(CASE #Yr_Yr_Exp_Compare.Year WHEN "&
yr &" THEN #Yr_Yr_Exp_Compare.Amt ELSE 0 END) AS FY"&yr
  end if
Next
strSQL = strSQL & " FROM #Yr_Yr_Exp_Compare " & _
" LEFT OUTER JOIN " & dbName &".

[wdvltalk] RE: colour in Opera

[J.R. Pitts]

Kinda... just means the code (or in this case: markup) was typed without
testing that it actually works. And the fragment of course means it won't
work on its own.

Echoing the previous post regarding www.w3schools.com ... it is an extremely
valuable resource for most things web dev related. It's where I learned ASP.

J.R.

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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: colour in Opera


J.R.
Is that anything like air guitar?
S.

"J.R. Pitts" wrote:

> You'll have to use a stylesheet...something like the below air code
fragment:


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[wdvltalk] RE: colour in Opera

[J.R. Pitts]

Joseph,

Opera is a very standards-based browser. And neither color (for the HR
element) or bordercolor (for the table element) exist in the standards
document (see www.w3.org). Since the tags don't "exist", Opera ignores them,
just as you would expect an older browser that didn't understand a newer tag
to do.

I'm guessing these tags are Microsoft extensions, since if they had existed
in standard HTML 3.2, they would be currently deprecated, and Opera would
probably support them still.

You'll have to use a stylesheet...something like the below air code
fragment:



.therule {
border: solid #CC00CC;
}
.thetable {
border: 2px solid #0066FF;
}






TEXT

MORE TEXT
 cell contents 


J.R.


-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:07 PM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] colour in Opera


I have finally installed Opera, and see why there is some enthusiasm for
it.   I am also at the start of seeing why everyone tears their hair out
about different browsers.   On my site I have box surrounds in gold, which
have come through grey, thoug h the headings in gold are fine.   I also
have red s, which are grey too.   Who is in teaching mode tonight?

Although I am going to bed now!   I will thank anyone able to tell me how
to correct/solve this when I am blearily awake tomorrow.

Joseph

the site is www.smilepoetryweekly.com


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[wdvltalk] RE: ASP FSO

[J.R. Pitts]

If you're not sending HTML or text from your file, then what are you
expecting to see on your browser window?

I suspect your code is working, because if it generated errors, you would
see them.

If nothing else, throw in a response.write("Done") for testing purposes.

J.R.






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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: ASP FSO


No, I'm just running the asp, there's no HTML on the page, but this should
run fine, i've run plenty of test pages before that run fine in this way.

Cheers,
Adam

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 2:02 PM
Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: ASP FSO


You are putting the code below in a standard HTML wrapper, right? You can't
just run code and send nothing to the browser.



 


<% your code %>



If not, then the browser never knows there is a page. It will sit and wait
for HTML markup forever (well, it'll eventually time out.)


If you already have the HTML in there and its not working, try
disambiguating your object. (Server.CreateObject("Sc

J.R.


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From: Adam Cork [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 8:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: ASP FSO


OK, would have made sence,

Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
Set a = fso.CreateTextFile("c:\test.txt", True)
a.WriteLine("This is a test.")
a.Close

straight from the help file.

Running Win2K, IIS

Cheers,
Adam

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From: "J.R. Pitts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 1:46 PM
Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: ASP FSO


Probably is something simple.


But how are we to know?



*post your code!*


J.R.



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Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 7:07 AM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] ASP FSO


Hi list,

Recently there was some mention of the FileSystemObject. I'm trying to run a
script to create a file, i've just taken the example code from the help file
to create a text file and write a single line out to it, just to get it
working, but when i run the page all it does is sit there loading the page
for ages. I'm assuming there's got to be something simple.

Any ideas?

Cheers,
Adam



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[wdvltalk] RE: ASP FSO

[J.R. Pitts]

You are putting the code below in a standard HTML wrapper, right? You can't
just run code and send nothing to the browser.



 


<% your code %>



If not, then the browser never knows there is a page. It will sit and wait
for HTML markup forever (well, it'll eventually time out.)


If you already have the HTML in there and its not working, try
disambiguating your object. (Server.CreateObject("Sc

J.R.


-Original Message-
From: Adam Cork [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 8:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: ASP FSO


OK, would have made sence,

Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
Set a = fso.CreateTextFile("c:\test.txt", True)
a.WriteLine("This is a test.")
a.Close

straight from the help file.

Running Win2K, IIS

Cheers,
Adam

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 1:46 PM
Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: ASP FSO


Probably is something simple.


But how are we to know?



*post your code!*


J.R.



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Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 7:07 AM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] ASP FSO


Hi list,

Recently there was some mention of the FileSystemObject. I'm trying to run a
script to create a file, i've just taken the example code from the help file
to create a text file and write a single line out to it, just to get it
working, but when i run the page all it does is sit there loading the page
for ages. I'm assuming there's got to be something simple.

Any ideas?

Cheers,
Adam



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[wdvltalk] RE: ASP FSO

[J.R. Pitts]

Probably is something simple.


But how are we to know?



*post your code!*


J.R.



-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 7:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] ASP FSO


Hi list,

Recently there was some mention of the FileSystemObject. I'm trying to run a
script to create a file, i've just taken the example code from the help file
to create a text file and write a single line out to it, just to get it
working, but when i run the page all it does is sit there loading the page
for ages. I'm assuming there's got to be something simple.

Any ideas?

Cheers,
Adam



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[wdvltalk] RE: ASP or VBscript problem

[J.R. Pitts]

Ben,

do you have any links to examples of scripts using that implementation?



-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 10:44 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: ASP or VBscript problem


failing that, build your HTML pages as templates and read them in using
the FSO, replacing 'fields' in the mark-up, such [this] and [that], with
real data at run-time.

this has two advantages over Context-Switching and Server-Side HTML
generation: you can continue to build the HTML without interfering with
the ASP, and the ASP code isn't tied down to pay particualr page
layouts, formatting, etc.

hth,

 .ben

> -Original Message-
> From: Furry, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 05 December 2002 15:30
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: ASP or VBscript problem
>
>
> Casey wrote:
> On a separate note, jumping in and out of VBScript causes
> system slowdown, and in the long run you'll have better
> performance if you were to do something like this:
>
> Perry (my alter-ego ) responded:
> H. Not to argue (I'm way too green at asp) but I was
> under the impression that dropping out of asp to implement
> standard html was the preferred method. You don't have to
> write line after line of "Response.write()". What information
> are you basing your statement on?
>
> Casey again:
> I first heard this theory from Greg C. on this list.  Is he
> still around?  Not seen a post from him in a long while.  But
> since then I've had it confirmed by several co-workers as
> well. Yes, writing line after line of response.write is a
> task, but the resulting ASP is cleaner and faster.
>
> Then JR spoke:
> dropping in and out of ASP to static HTML is referred to as
> context switching.
>
> There are two reasons to avoid excessive context switching:
> performance and readability.
>
> First, performance. [snip of example] If you're not
> developing web pages for at least couple hundred users, it
> really won't make a lot of difference. Plus, the new ASP 3.0
> engine and Windows 2000 are more efficient at handling
> context switches, so performance on that platform takes very
> minimal hits, except at extremely high usage/switching rates.
>
> But you also have readability and maintenance. Switching in
> and out of HTML/ASP isn't all that easy on human eyes,
> either. The more <%'s and %>'s there are in a script, the
> more likely you are to miss one or double up on one.
>
> Another thing, having static HTML blocks in your code means
> that a lot of white space (tabs and spaces) get sent with
> your page. using response.write doesn't send extra white
> space. IOW, instead of sending [tab][tab][tab][tab][crlf]
> it only sends the  ... saves 6 characters.
>
> The best compromise, I think, is to keep blocks together as
> much as possible. Don't switch every other line. There is one
> guy who publishes as site that uses an out() function to save
> typing response.write. I think that's just as bad, since
> you're calling a function every time.
>
> Myself personally, I context switch frequently during dev and
> debug, and then go back and wrap as much as possible in
> response.write's.
>
> Tim adds:
> This has been a topic I'm interested in, also.  Developing a
> new site or app with is easier if you do a lot of context
> switching - it's easier to see what code is doing what,
> particularly if you're using an IDE of some sort.  My
> approach is the same as JR's - develop and debug using a lot
> of switching, then go back and add Response.Writes to "block
> up" the code - reduce the switches to perhaps 5 or 10 per
> page or less.  Some pages I completely write with
> Response.Writes (the menu system of our website, for example)
> just because I want it running as fast as possible.  I also
> take the time to go back and View Source from the browser
> after I've converted to Response.Writes, just to make sure
> the HTML is getting indented nicely and looks good.  I am
> different than JR in the fact that I have the ASP kick out
> the extra whitespace to retain the HTML formatting - it's one
> more way to make debugging easier on myself.
>
> A friend of mine looked at this issue pretty hard a few
> months ago, and came to the conclusion that even though
> context switching slows down a page, apparently using
> Response.Writes also takes a lot of time - almost as much as
> a switch would have taken.  In his opinion it wasn't worth
> worrying about context switching unless you had a page coded
> and debugged pretty solidly and then converted the whole
> thing to Response.Writes, in which case of course it gets
> pretty hard to debug, particularly if you are (like me)
> sometimes cranking out client-side Javascript using
> Response.Writes.  :-)
>
> Using an out() function probably just negates the whole idea
> of using Response.Write for speed.  It would be used simply
> for convenience, I think, and you're only saving a few
> characters of typing.  Whi

[wdvltalk] RE: site not resolving

[J.R. Pitts]

*** If one of these hops fails, you'll get three asterisks instead of three
*** times - this indicates that router or host after the previous hop isn't
*** responding. From this you can work out where the problem lies - are you
*** still in your own space? Your ISPs? The target ISPs? The target's? Now
you
*** know who to phone up :-)

Incorrect. If the LAST entry is asterisks then maybe it is failing, but if
there is an entry after the one with the asterisks then it is NOT failing.
If it were, how would the next router be getting anything?

The asterisk entry is just not responding to ICMP Ping requests: in all
probability it's a firewall; outside possibility that it is just too busy to
respond to low-priority pings, but probably a firewall.

This is probably a DNS issue. The TLD nameserver serving Canada might have a
bad/missig entry.

Find out what the IP address is. Try to browse using http://192.168.10.10/
or whatever the IP address. That will absolutely narrow it down to DNS or
connection issue.

J.R.


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[wdvltalk] ASP CMS Security Thoughts...

[J.R. Pitts]

I am setting up a CMS using ASP VBscript and need to implement more than
basic security. Different individuals would need write access to different
pages. Here's what I was thinking.

A table where the rows were users id's, the columns were page id's. The
actual value of the row/column would be a single character. I initially
thought such as (O)wner, (S)upervisor, (E)ditor, and (V)iewer. But now I am
thinking make the char an 8-bit value, which would give me some more
flexibility. I can add or drop columns as necessary as pages are defined or
deleted. (a bit hairy, I know, but pages will be less dynamic that users,
probably)

I want to have rights flow down, which is going to require me to check
another table I already have for heirarchy(sp?).

Sound like I'm on the right track? Anybody have better suggestions or know
of any pitfalls I'm heading for?


Thanks,

J.R.


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[wdvltalk] RE: ASP or VBscript problem

[J.R. Pitts]

You check if the radio group "name" value is equivalent to the "value" value
for the respective button.

ie... if ThePresented is the name of the group, with a button of value Yes
checked, then

If ThePresented = "Yes"

You are basically doing it right, but don't try checking for a null. Check
for known values, if neither exists, you have null.

J.R.

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From: Gerenday, Perry (P.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 5:20 PM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] ASP or VBscript problem


 I have a web form that sends its values to an asp page where the form
receives very simple validation. i.e.: if the input has a value - continue,
if it doesn't - tell the user what to fill in. One of the inputs on the form
is a set of radio buttons; Yes or NO. If the user clicks "Yes" they also
need to fill in a date text box. My question is; how do I tell whether the
radio value is Yes or No? Here is what I'm doing which is not working.

...

<%
ElseIf ThePresented = "" Then %>
Please indicate whether you have presented this issue to someone for
resolution.


<%
ElseIf ThePresented = "Yes" Then %>
The Presented value = Yes.


...

Next I want to validate a date value if "ThePresented" equals Yes, and skip
the validation if "ThePresented" equals NO.


TIA

Perry Gerenday
www.webinitiative.net

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[wdvltalk] RE: page layout

[J.R. Pitts]

PMJI,

I use CSS all the time for virtually, if not absolutely, all visual markup.

But is CSS-P really there yet? The last time I tried it, it was completely
UN-cross-browser compatible.

I'm not interested in ancient browsers, but still wish to support v4 and
higher of the Big 3. (Okay, maybe Opera doesn't deserve that, but its what I
use, so its important to me.)

If this has changed, then I guess I'll start moving away from tables.

J.R.

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From: John van Rompu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 9:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: page layout



Hi ,

forget tables. You can use frames but htey are messy and issues arise with
search engines etc.

Use style sheets. Use style classes which can allow positioning anywhere you
want.

I have included some code that may help. You are using styles on your divs
you just need to elaborate them a little.

Main Page



Untitled Document





 






Style Sheet

.footer {  float: left; position: relative; visibility: visible; left:
   0px; top: 90%;z-index: 5; border: medium #00 solid}


Thanks,

John


>Subject: page layout
>From: "Mignon Hunter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:37:43 -0600
>X-Message-Number: 11

>Hello list,


>I am trying to figure out a way to make Footer span the total bottom of
>page, to appear under both SideBar and Content divs.  I can get the
>image to appear but it does so at the top of the page.  I could use
>absolute positioning but the Content div will be dynamic and therefore I
>will not know how long the page will be.

>Any advice on this issue will be greatly appreciated.





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[wdvltalk] RE: ASP & JS battleship game

[J.R. Pitts]

A google of "ASP battleship game"

returns some javascript items. Looks all client-side, no server side needed

J.R.

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Subject: [wdvltalk] ASP & JS battleship game


Hiya Folks
can anyone point me in the right direction of a script for an ASP battleship
game?

TIA

jac.

h almost the weekend!! :o)





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[wdvltalk] Re: Access & ASP more details...

[J.R. Pitts]

FINALLY! ;)

I'm glad you got it. I hope I didn't seem short on my last msg to you,
because I certainly didn't mean to.

If you intend on using ASP much, make sure to go through the links I sent
you. They (and my previous BASIC knowledge) are how I learned, along with a
few other ASP sites.

Good luck and hopefully I can be more helpful next time.

J.R.

-Original Message-
From: Ingentus [mailto:ingentus@;eircom.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 6:02 PM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: Access & ASP more details...


J.R. - THANKS for all your patience with me on this issue I know I must have
bugged some people cause I was going on for so long about it.
BUT . I just got it sorted for the moment! Alan my BF got the code
right.

Cheers for all your help

best regards
jac.

- Original Message -
From: "Ingentus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 5:48 PM
Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: Access & ASP more details...


> J.R. I'm sorry if it seemed like I didn't appreciate what you said the
other
> day & in all likelyhood they probably do work but at this stage I'm lost
and
> confused when it comes to sorting this out - my problem: I CAN'T FOR THE
> LIFE OF ME FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PUT THE "SELECT" OR "WHERE" STATEMENTS &
THEN
> HOW TO USE IT SO THAT I CAN GET THE DATA I WANT FROM THE DB TO APPEAR
WHERE
> I WANT IT TO.
>
> so fed up with this.
>
> I've got so much information & help but I don't know what to do with it -
> going round in circles.
>
> I might understand it better if someone could show me the code to do what
I
> want:
> DB table is called page_edits
> 4 columns in that table called Number (Auto Number) UserName, Password,
> Details
> 30 rows in the table.
>
> Now, say you have a HTML page with two HTML tables on it - if you wanted
to
> have the "Details" for row 12 appear in the first HTML table & then in the
> other HTML table have the "Details" of row 26 - how would you code that?
>
> I've more than likely been given the code already by good people like
> yourself J.R. but I don't know how to use it.
> I've been reading ASP for Dummies (how apt!) & SAMS Teach Yourself ASP in
21
> days but although I know how to display the whole table from the DB I
can't
> display selected bits (like the "Details" for any row I choose).
>
> My sincerest apologies for dragging the arse out of this but I just don't
> get it & still need help with it.
>
> best regards
> jac.
>
> -




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[wdvltalk] RE: ACCESS & ASP problem

[J.R. Pitts]

>>This won't take care of the left or right alignment. I ignored that,
>>figuring it was really part of what you needed help on.

Awful nice of me, eh?

I mean, it WASN'T what I thought you needed help on.

J.R.

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[wdvltalk] RE: ACCESS & ASP problem

[J.R. Pitts]

See the below AIR CODE FRAGMENT.

You said you wanted the records in different tables, which I took literally.
If you actually wanted them in different cells of the same table, then move
the  and  tags outside the loop.

This won't take care of the left or right alignment. I ignored that,
figuring it was really part of what you needed help on.

HTH,

J.R.


<%

dim strDBProvider
dim strDSN

strDBProvider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0" ' you said Access earlier, if not,
change this.
strDSN="project"

const adOpenForwardOnly = 0 '# (Default)
const adUseServer = 2 '# (Default)
const adLockReadOnly= 1

Set adRST = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset")
adRST.ActiveConnection = "Provider=" + strDBProvider + ";Data Source=" 
+
strDSN +";"
adRST.CursorType = adOpenForwardOnly
adRST.CursorLocation = adUseServer
adRST.LockType = adLockReadOnly
adRST.Source = "SELECT details FROM page_edits"  'option where, such as
WHERE username=box1 AND password=box1pass
adRST.Open()

while NOT adRST.eof
response.Write("")
response.Write(adRST.fields.Item("details").value)   'can be 
shortcutted
to adRST("details")
response.Write("")
adRST.movenext
wend

adRST.close()

%>

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Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:21 AM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: ACCESS & ASP problem


Hi J.R.
Thanks for trying to help but I'm still unsure as to what I'm supposed to
do...

This is the situation so far:
I have a DB with a table in it called page_edits
In this table there are 2 rows of info, as below:

Number | UserName | Password | Details
1 |   Box1 | box1pass | blah blah blah blah...
2 |   Box2 | box2pass | here here here here here...

What I need to do is to make the "Details" field of row 1 appear say at the
top lefthand side of the page &
the "Details" field of row 2 appear at, say, the bottom right of the same
page (in different HTML tables).

Any idea how I would code this? what SELECT statement would I use to
determine which "Details" field would appear where?
I was using <%=objRS("Details")%> in the  of the HTML table to make the
"Details" field appear & it works fine if I have only one row of info in the
DB table but I need to have many more than just one row in the DB table.

Hope I'm making sense

thanks for your help so far,

jac.






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[wdvltalk] RE: ACCESS & ASP problem

[J.R. Pitts]

OOPS!

Trying to do too many things at once.

OnItems was your recordset name, so

response.write(OnItems.fields.item("Description").value)

Sorry.

J.R.

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Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:32 PM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: ACCESS & ASP problem


If I'm understanding your question properly, you need a where clause.

SELECT Description FROM Items WHERE ItemNumber=2
response.write(Connect.fields.Item("Description").value)

If 2 is stored as number; '2' if as text.


note that

value is the default property of item
item is the default collection of field
and fields is the default collection of a recordset, so

Connect("Description")

will work as a shortcut. But for clarity, and performance (I think) a lot of
people will write it out. The code is probably more portable that way, also.

HTH, Let me know if this wasn't what you were asking.

J.R.


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http://www.ingentus.com/access.htm

Hi everyone
I'm having a serious (seriously Stuck!) problem with an Access DB & ASP -
in this case I thought it would be easier explained with a screen shot & a
URL.

If anyone has the time to have a look I'd really appreciate it as always.

TIA
jac.







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[wdvltalk] RE: ACCESS & ASP problem

[J.R. Pitts]

If I'm understanding your question properly, you need a where clause.

SELECT Description FROM Items WHERE ItemNumber=2
response.write(Connect.fields.Item("Description").value)

If 2 is stored as number; '2' if as text.


note that

value is the default property of item
item is the default collection of field
and fields is the default collection of a recordset, so

Connect("Description")

will work as a shortcut. But for clarity, and performance (I think) a lot of
people will write it out. The code is probably more portable that way, also.

HTH, Let me know if this wasn't what you were asking.

J.R.


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Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:56 PM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] ACCESS & ASP problem


http://www.ingentus.com/access.htm

Hi everyone
I'm having a serious (seriously Stuck!) problem with an Access DB & ASP -
in this case I thought it would be easier explained with a screen shot & a
URL.

If anyone has the time to have a look I'd really appreciate it as always.

TIA
jac.







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[wdvltalk] ETHICS: Should I tell them their web site is insecure?

[J.R. Pitts]

Here's the situation.

Several months ago I was contacted by a potential client about doing a web
site for them. They wanted to provide a service through their web site for
which they would charge and accept payment via credit cards.

Long story shortened: I didn't get the job. I inquired a couple of times,
but was never re-contacted. I figured they just weren't going to do it.

Well, they did do it, but had someone else program it. I was somewhat miffed
that they used someone else.

I was looking around the "free" area and noticed numerous spelling,
grammatical, and other errors. It hit me how unprofessional the job was; and
wondered just exactly how secure it was.

It was _very_ insecure. The web site was wide open to SQL injection cracks.
We're talking script-monkey easy.

There for the taking are all of their customer's names, addresses, id's and
passwords, SSN's, phone numbers, *CREDIT CARD NUMBERS AND EXPIRATION DATES*
with billing addresses.

Do I tell them? My initial reaction was to tell them. My main motivation was
"See what you got? You're gonna get hacked." I can tell them they have a
problem and here's what people can do. If you want me to tell you how to fix
it, that's gonna cost you.

I bounced this off some people whose opinion I deeply respect, but who have
no Internet law knowledge. The consensus is that I _had_ to tell them they
were vulnerable. I wasn't required to fix it for free or tell them why they
were vulnerable; but I had an ethical mandate to alert them, because
innocent people could get hurt.

But, if I tell them, they are going to want to know how I know. I cracked
into their web site. Although I would never use such information, it could
be argued that I performed an illegal activity just by checking.

Other than checking with my lawyer, which I am already going to do, does
anyone have any suggestions? Anyone ever been in  a similar situation.

J.R.


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[wdvltalk] RE: SQL search using bitwise operation?

[J.R. Pitts]

whoops, typo. The public fx should be declared as LONG, not LOG, obviously.
J.R.


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Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 6:11 PM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: SQL search using bitwise operation?


Okay, I did some research...

You say you're in VB. Compiled VB, VB ASP, Access VB?

There is an extension to SQL available in ADO (not DAO) that allows BAND to
work (along with BOR and BXOR). Don't use it.

The best solution is to write a separate function that you can call from
your query.

Public Function AndBit(A As Long, B As Long) As Log
AndBit=A AND B
End Function

strSQL = "SELECT * FROM test WHERE AndBit(bitValue, 1) = 1

bitValue is the field name after you take BJs advice.

I hope that works.

J.R.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 3:49 PM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: SQL search using bitwise operation?


I'm in VB.  I was originally using 'and'.  I was/am comparing to a number -
it seemed that VB was changing the value of bit to a bool when I didn't want
it to.  bit is defined as a long.

Here's mu current string:
strSQL = "SELECT * FROM test WHERE (bit AND 1) = 1"

This is returning an empty recordset when it should be returning all the
records where bit is an odd number.  Remember I have 50 records containing
the numbers 1 - 50.

Diane

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Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:04 PM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: SQL search using bitwise operation?


What environment are you in?

I just did this in Access/VB and it gave the right results. However in VB,
'AND' is the bitwise op, not &.

So maybe you had it right the first time, except that you should have been
comparing to a number instead of a bool.

Is bit defined as a byte? Integer would probably also work; but if stored as
anything else, the bits in bit wouldn't line up right.


J.R.


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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: SQL search using bitwise operation?


My current statement is:

strSQL = "SELECT * FROM test WHERE (bit & 2) = 2"

I have 50 records with bit equaling 1 - 50.  Yet the above statement now
returns an empty recordset.  Maybe my parens are off?

Diane



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Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:55 AM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: SQL search using bitwise operation?


Let me add to my previous answer.

You need to use the bitwise and (&)

ALSO, you compare to an integer value, not bool. So (bit & 2) would return
2.

J.R.

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Subject: [wdvltalk] SQL search using bitwise operation?


I want to search through a table returning all records where, say, bit 2 is
set.  How to I do this?  Say I'm concerned with a field called bit.  I've
tried the following:

strSQL = "SELECT * FROM test WHERE (bit AND 2) = true"

This doesn't work.  What am I doing wrong?

Diane


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[wdvltalk] RE: SQL search using bitwise operation?

[J.R. Pitts]

Okay, I did some research...

You say you're in VB. Compiled VB, VB ASP, Access VB?

There is an extension to SQL available in ADO (not DAO) that allows BAND to
work (along with BOR and BXOR). Don't use it.

The best solution is to write a separate function that you can call from
your query.

Public Function AndBit(A As Long, B As Long) As Log
AndBit=A AND B
End Function

strSQL = "SELECT * FROM test WHERE AndBit(bitValue, 1) = 1

bitValue is the field name after you take BJs advice.

I hope that works.

J.R.

-Original Message-
From: Diane Schips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 3:49 PM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: SQL search using bitwise operation?


I'm in VB.  I was originally using 'and'.  I was/am comparing to a number -
it seemed that VB was changing the value of bit to a bool when I didn't want
it to.  bit is defined as a long.

Here's mu current string:
strSQL = "SELECT * FROM test WHERE (bit AND 1) = 1"

This is returning an empty recordset when it should be returning all the
records where bit is an odd number.  Remember I have 50 records containing
the numbers 1 - 50.

Diane

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:04 PM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: SQL search using bitwise operation?


What environment are you in?

I just did this in Access/VB and it gave the right results. However in VB,
'AND' is the bitwise op, not &.

So maybe you had it right the first time, except that you should have been
comparing to a number instead of a bool.

Is bit defined as a byte? Integer would probably also work; but if stored as
anything else, the bits in bit wouldn't line up right.


J.R.


-Original Message-
From: Diane Schips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:17 AM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: SQL search using bitwise operation?


My current statement is:

strSQL = "SELECT * FROM test WHERE (bit & 2) = 2"

I have 50 records with bit equaling 1 - 50.  Yet the above statement now
returns an empty recordset.  Maybe my parens are off?

Diane



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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: SQL search using bitwise operation?


Let me add to my previous answer.

You need to use the bitwise and (&)

ALSO, you compare to an integer value, not bool. So (bit & 2) would return
2.

J.R.

-Original Message-
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Subject: [wdvltalk] SQL search using bitwise operation?


I want to search through a table returning all records where, say, bit 2 is
set.  How to I do this?  Say I'm concerned with a field called bit.  I've
tried the following:

strSQL = "SELECT * FROM test WHERE (bit AND 2) = true"

This doesn't work.  What am I doing wrong?

Diane


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[wdvltalk] RE: SQL search using bitwise operation?

[J.R. Pitts]

What environment are you in?

I just did this in Access/VB and it gave the right results. However in VB,
'AND' is the bitwise op, not &.

So maybe you had it right the first time, except that you should have been
comparing to a number instead of a bool.

Is bit defined as a byte? Integer would probably also work; but if stored as
anything else, the bits in bit wouldn't line up right.


J.R.


-Original Message-
From: Diane Schips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:17 AM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: SQL search using bitwise operation?


My current statement is:

strSQL = "SELECT * FROM test WHERE (bit & 2) = 2"

I have 50 records with bit equaling 1 - 50.  Yet the above statement now
returns an empty recordset.  Maybe my parens are off?

Diane



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Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:55 AM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: SQL search using bitwise operation?


Let me add to my previous answer.

You need to use the bitwise and (&)

ALSO, you compare to an integer value, not bool. So (bit & 2) would return
2.

J.R.

-Original Message-
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Subject: [wdvltalk] SQL search using bitwise operation?


I want to search through a table returning all records where, say, bit 2 is
set.  How to I do this?  Say I'm concerned with a field called bit.  I've
tried the following:

strSQL = "SELECT * FROM test WHERE (bit AND 2) = true"

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[wdvltalk] RE: SQL search using bitwise operation?

[J.R. Pitts]

Let me add to my previous answer.

You need to use the bitwise and (&)

ALSO, you compare to an integer value, not bool. So (bit & 2) would return
2.

J.R.

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From: Diane Schips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Subject: [wdvltalk] SQL search using bitwise operation?


I want to search through a table returning all records where, say, bit 2 is
set.  How to I do this?  Say I'm concerned with a field called bit.  I've
tried the following:

strSQL = "SELECT * FROM test WHERE (bit AND 2) = true"

This doesn't work.  What am I doing wrong?

Diane


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[wdvltalk] RE: SQL search using bitwise operation?

[J.R. Pitts]

I believe you would need the bitwise "and" (&).

J.R.

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Subject: [wdvltalk] SQL search using bitwise operation?


I want to search through a table returning all records where, say, bit 2 is
set.  How to I do this?  Say I'm concerned with a field called bit.  I've
tried the following:

strSQL = "SELECT * FROM test WHERE (bit AND 2) = true"

This doesn't work.  What am I doing wrong?

Diane


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[wdvltalk] RE: Amen! I am just the messenger so ease up all you diehard fans of NN :)

[J.R. Pitts]

Does this mean Opera wins?

J.R.

-Original Message-
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Subject: [wdvltalk] Amen! I am just the messenger so ease up all you
diehard fans of NN :)


Netscape’s global usage share had dropped to 3.4 percent, down
from 13 percent at this time last year

http://www.statmarket.com/cgi-bin/sm.cgi?sm&feature&week_stat

And so... we lay it to rest. It has been a roller coaster ride
for 5 years but it is time to say a sad goodbye.

Anybody care to say a eulogy?

bob L
owner/programmer
RE-Data.com, LLC
Random Thought For The Day:
Those who complain about the way the ball bounces, are usually
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[wdvltalk] RE: How much security do IP address provide?

[J.R. Pitts]

Using the IP address, the date and time of the incident, and a few court
orders, you MIGHT be able to distinguish an individual, but probably not.
Using a court order to force AOL or some other ISP to turn over logs could
potentially put you in the house or office of the perp, but proving who was
sitting in the chair is difficult. And of course, getting a court order
isn't all that easy either.

THen, what about all the university computer rooms and cafe's that have
access? You can pinpoint the room, but that's about it.

And if the perp is international...

I guess I should give the answer that on the Internet general (not in closed
systems), knowing the IP address has no security benefits.

You could use a cookie to block the machine, but would probably want to
expire it somewhat quickly if your application is likely to be accessed from
public terminals.

J.R.




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Subject: [wdvltalk] How much security do IP address provide?


I have a customer who has an "email this to a friend" page that's being
abused, and he's catching a great of flack over it.  He wants me to record
IP addresses when people sign up for the forum and the email list, etc., and
to provide the IP address in the subject line of the "email this to a
friend" email.  I'm happy to do it, but I was wondering if anyone on this
list had any additional suggestions?
Diane


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[wdvltalk] RE: OT email

[J.R. Pitts]

It's KLEZ/H in all probability. Either you, or someone who has your email,
is infected.

J.R.

-Original Message-
From: Jan Major [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:51 AM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] OT email


Has anyone else been getting weird emails?  No attachments, just the
following:

Subject:Please try again
Date:Sun, 8 Sep 2002 05:39:37 -0400
   From:reqs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

nothing more than that.  This is the 3rd email I have received with
no subject, or content.

Jan
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[wdvltalk] Customer editable web pages.

[J.R. Pitts]

New reader here...

I am familiar with HTML and CSS. I have done a little handcoding in ASP for
very minor data stuff (simple SELECT and INSERTs primarily, and for dynamic
assembly of pages (if ...then... include "content" stuff). Used primarily
Frontpage 2000, but am moving into Dreamweaver MX. PHP seems to be popular
here, but I've never used it. I am primarily VBSCRIPT/ASP.

My question is this: I need some strategic direction in creating web pages
that my customers can update. Its simple enough to create a database to pull
items out of and place into a predetermined cell. But what about when the
customer wants to change font faces, sizes or colors? Wants to insert a
picture? How do you handle that?

I would be interested in how others have solved this problem.

Thanks,


J.R. Pitts
WJP Enterprises, Inc.
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[wdvltalk] RE: Netscape 4 TD Background Colour Problem

[J.R. Pitts]

Ignore my previous response.

NN4 doesn't properly inherit styles between table elements and text
elements.

Look here for examples and workaround.

http://www.codestyle.org/css/FAQ.shtml

J.R.

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Subject: [wdvltalk] Netscape 4 TD Background Colour Problem


I have a problem which I am sure you've all heard before, but never mind.
:-)

I have a table and I am using styles to set the cell background colour and
font. In all browsers other than Netscape 4(.6) this is no problem; in
Netscape 4 however, the background to the text itself is white while the
rest of the cell, not containing any text, has the specified background
colour. The code snippets are:


 .Column1 {background-color: #CC; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,
Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif}
 .Column2 {background-color: #CCFFCC; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,
Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif}

.
.
.

 Collection NameCollection TypeCountyHolder
.
.
.

Any thoughts.

TIA

AHGP


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[wdvltalk] RE: front-end access ODBC-- help!

[J.R. Pitts]

You have to either to change your connection string to reflect a new
location, or recreate (or have your host recreate) the DSN.

J.R.

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Subject: [wdvltalk] front-end access ODBC-- help!


Hi,

Have an access database which is used as a front-end connection with
database on server. Am now getting error message ODBC connection
to odihpn failed.

The server that our database is housed on changed over the weekend
and I suppose that therefore this connection needs to be updated too.

But I have no idea where in the access database connections are
found??

Anyone?

siobhan


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[wdvltalk] RE: Netscape 4 TD Background Colour Problem

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I don't have NN4 loaded so I can't try it, but maybe

background-color : transparent

??


J.R.

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Subject: [wdvltalk] Netscape 4 TD Background Colour Problem


I have a problem which I am sure you've all heard before, but never mind.
:-)

I have a table and I am using styles to set the cell background colour and
font. In all browsers other than Netscape 4(.6) this is no problem; in
Netscape 4 however, the background to the text itself is white while the
rest of the cell, not containing any text, has the specified background
colour. The code snippets are:


 .Column1 {background-color: #CC; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,
Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif}
 .Column2 {background-color: #CCFFCC; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,
Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif}

.
.
.

 Collection NameCollection TypeCountyHolder
.
.
.

Any thoughts.

TIA

AHGP


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