Re: [wdvltalk] Background Sound on web site
Matthew's raised a good point about cross-platform operability of the background music. As a result, I'd suggest using Flash instead. Have a 1x1 pixel Flash movie dropped in somewhere on the page that streams in an external MP3 and export the Flash movie as low a version number as you can (I think streaming MP3s is about Flash 5) to ensure you don't trigger too many player updates just for background music. However I would strongly recommend putting in some form of playback control to actually turn the music off because unless you do it right and integrate the music with the overal web experience, background music is RIDICULOUSLY annoying. That being said though the really annoying stuff is embedded MIDI files so at least you'd have a decent file using MP3. But I do concur to a degree with Matthew's question of why they want background music anyway. As I mentioned unless you're enhancing the user experience by integrating music into the visuals I would really try to talk these people out of background music. It's really annoying and screams I can use FrontPage so I'm a web designer amateurism. MOU ___ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Background Sound on web site
Quoting Ross Clutterbuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Matthew's raised a good point about cross-platform operability of the background music. As a result, I'd suggest using Flash instead. Just make sure it's flash, not director. There is no director plugin for linux! However I would strongly recommend putting in some form of playback control to actually turn the music off because unless you do it right and integrate the music with the overal web experience, background music is RIDICULOUSLY annoying. That being said though the really annoying stuff is embedded MIDI files so at least you'd have a decent file using MP3. But I do concur to a degree with Matthew's question of why they want background music anyway. As I mentioned unless you're enhancing the user experience by integrating music into the visuals I would really try to talk these people out of background music. It's really annoying and screams I can use FrontPage so I'm a web designer amateurism. You always manage to say what we're thinking without upsetting anyone... ;) Matt. -- Matthew Macdonald-Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodies? The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Background Sound on web site
That is very helpful. I'm using this code cause I found that it would work
under most browsers but never really looked at it. Good point about using
Media player. Thanks
The site is www.bridesnumberone.com/redesign/main.htm
Matthew Macdonald-Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Hoenig, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I'm developing a site for someone and they want a music file to play
when a page loads. I can get it to work on IE, Firefox, and
Netscape using bgsound but it's not working when viewed on a mac.
if (navigator.appName == Microsoft Internet Explorer) {
document.write('bgsound src=music/heart.mp3 LOOP=false');
}
else {
document.write('embed type=application/x-mplayer2
pluginspage=http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/MediaPlayer/;
Name=MediaPlayer src=music/heart.mp3 AutoStart=true
ShowStatusBar=0 ShowControls=0 ShowDisplay=0 volume=1
HEIGHT=1 WIDTH=1 loop=infinitebr');
}
That's the script I'm using??? Do I need to use a different format
(I'm using mp3) ??
What's the web address so I can test it live? I can almost guarantee
that it won't work under linux either. Why? Because you're requesting
Microsoft's Media player. The chances of this being installed on any
operating system other than windows is slim to none, which raises a
few questions:
1) Why are you putting background sound on the website? :oP
2) (and much more seriously) Why not let the operating system decide
what it uses to play the file?
Unfortunately, I can't provide any hints on how to let the operating
system decide, as I've never put sound into the background of the
webpage.
My personal preference under Linux is mplayer, however I know that a
lot of people use Xine, xmms or even (in some extreme cases) Windows
Media Player running under Wine (a windows emulator).
Hope this is of some help,
Matt
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Re: [wdvltalk] Background Sound on web site
I tried to talk them out of it but she's very adament that she wants background music. I would agree it's very annoying. It's a bridal site and she saw another bridal site that has the music so of course she had to copy them. I looked at the other site and I believe your right it was created in FP. The unfortunate thing is I don't know Flash but would like to learn. Any good sites or examples I could use to do this? I have the software just haven't taken the time to learn it. Ross Clutterbuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew's raised a good point about cross-platform operability of the background music. As a result, I'd suggest using Flash instead. Have a 1x1 pixel Flash movie dropped in somewhere on the page that streams in an external MP3 and export the Flash movie as low a version number as you can (I think streaming MP3s is about Flash 5) to ensure you don't trigger too many player updates just for background music. However I would strongly recommend putting in some form of playback control to actually turn the music off because unless you do it right and integrate the music with the overal web experience, background music is RIDICULOUSLY annoying. That being said though the really annoying stuff is embedded MIDI files so at least you'd have a decent file using MP3. But I do concur to a degree with Matthew's question of why they want background music anyway. As I mentioned unless you're enhancing the user experience by integrating music into the visuals I would really try to talk these people out of background music. It's really annoying and screams I can use FrontPage so I'm a web designer amateurism. MOU ___ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. � The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM � To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Background Sound on web site
You should realize that 90% of the sites created in FrontPage 2003 (and almost as many created in an earlier version) are not sites that rival geocities for worst of the web. The majority are boring table based sites with too many font tags and not enough CSS but otherwise like most websites created in the late 90s on. The main problem with FrontPage is also its strength, it is easy to use and that lets some people live their dreams of excess. Take a look at the output of every site builder I've ever seen and you'll see equally bad sites. I've seen crappy music on load, flashing animated garbage on sites that were hand coded. Granted not as many because it takes more time and effort but I've seen them just as I have on sites created in Dreamweaver. It isn't the tool is the user. Sometimes it takes real talent and hard work to create a site that is as bad as some I've seen (and yes, the particular one I'm thinking of is a FrontPage site but the designer has gone far beyond what FrontPage could easily do adding babelfish translations, SEO optimization by large paragraphs of font size 1 keyword stuffing, incomprehensible navigation, comments made by people who have looked at the site include I clicked around and looked at 5 different pages, what IS this site about, this is despite PayPal buttons all over the place.) Many Flash only sites fall into this same category of unusable and annoying websites just like the worst examples of a FrontPage site. On the other hand I also know sites that if you would never know were created in FrontPage that have clean, elegant and valid code that use CSS for presentation. The pages are checked in a variety of browsers and work cross platform. The people who created them use FrontPage for its site management features and don't have generator or program id meta tags. I'll bet your client uses IE and only IE on Windows to view her sites. Maybe the best thing you can do is to stick with the bgsound onload. That way those of us using a better browser (FF, and even IE 7 for example) won't have to listen to it. g Cheryl D Wise MS MVP FrontPage http://by-expression.com Online instructor led training http://starttoweb.com Aug. 20th session Expression Web Designer and Intro CSS -Original Message- From: Hoenig, Robert I tried to talk them out of it but she's very adament that she wants background music. I would agree it's very annoying. It's a bridal site and she saw another bridal site that has the music so of course she had to copy them. I looked at the other site and I believe your right it was created in FP. The unfortunate thing is I don't know Flash but would like to learn. Any good sites or examples I could use to do this? I have the software just haven't taken the time to learn it. � The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM � To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Background Sound on web site
I would agree. I think Frontpage is a great tool for beginner's and want a low cost tool to publish a web site OR for the advanced user that knows how to manipulate the unnecessary code the FP puts in. I started developing using FP and found it much more advantagous to code using HTML editors (which I know FP has) than design editors. Since moving to .Net using VS is my tool of choice. Nope she uses a MAC and that's why I would like it to work on there. The sound works great in FF and Netscape. Cheryl D Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should realize that 90% of the sites created in FrontPage 2003 (and almost as many created in an earlier version) are not sites that rival geocities for worst of the web. The majority are boring table based sites with too many font tags and not enough CSS but otherwise like most websites created in the late 90s on. The main problem with FrontPage is also its strength, it is easy to use and that lets some people live their dreams of excess. Take a look at the output of every site builder I've ever seen and you'll see equally bad sites. I've seen crappy music on load, flashing animated garbage on sites that were hand coded. Granted not as many because it takes more time and effort but I've seen them just as I have on sites created in Dreamweaver. It isn't the tool is the user. Sometimes it takes real talent and hard work to create a site that is as bad as some I've seen (and yes, the particular one I'm thinking of is a FrontPage site but the designer has gone far beyond what FrontPage could easily do adding babelfish translations, SEO optimization by large paragraphs of font size 1 keyword stuffing, incomprehensible navigation, comments made by people who have looked at the site include I clicked around and looked at 5 different pages, what IS this site about, this is despite PayPal buttons all over the place.) Many Flash only sites fall into this same category of unusable and annoying websites just like the worst examples of a FrontPage site. On the other hand I also know sites that if you would never know were created in FrontPage that have clean, elegant and valid code that use CSS for presentation. The pages are checked in a variety of browsers and work cross platform. The people who created them use FrontPage for its site management features and don't have generator or program id meta tags. I'll bet your client uses IE and only IE on Windows to view her sites. Maybe the best thing you can do is to stick with the bgsound onload. That way those of us using a better browser (FF, and even IE 7 for example) won't have to listen to it. g Cheryl D Wise MS MVP FrontPage http://by-expression.com Online instructor led training http://starttoweb.com Aug. 20th session Expression Web Designer and Intro CSS -Original Message- From: Hoenig, Robert I tried to talk them out of it but she's very adament that she wants background music. I would agree it's very annoying. It's a bridal site and she saw another bridal site that has the music so of course she had to copy them. I looked at the other site and I believe your right it was created in FP. The unfortunate thing is I don't know Flash but would like to learn. Any good sites or examples I could use to do this? I have the software just haven't taken the time to learn it. � The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM � To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. � The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM � To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Background Sound on web site
Hoenig, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ink wired: they want a music file to play when a page loads Please talk them out of it. One of the more annoying aspects of surfing is to load a page and then you get BLASTED by music playing at 90 decibels (volume settings never seem to give consistent results across various workstations) with no way to shut it off. If you can't, then I would go to MSDN and get the specs for embedding WMP -- and I would have AutoStart set to false... if the user wants to hear music, he/she can turn it on. Otherwise, you risk having prospective customers shut you down before seeing the products/service offerings. I can get it to work on IE, Firefox, and Netscape using bgsound but it's not working when viewed on a mac. Don't use bgsound -- this gives the user ZERO control over their experience. Rather, embed a player. If WMP is your default, the largest userbase will have it installed. Linux and many Mac users will be spared. I believe Quicktime may be more indigenous to Mac... so your scripting may want to test for the OS and use QT for non-windows users. Another option is to give the user a choice of which player they prefer. Look at sites like MSNBC where you look at video and it asks you to choose your preferred player and bandwidth. Again, putting the user first... the more choices you offer the user, the better their experience would be. And, since I injected a bit of opinion there, I will close with the Dennis Miller disclaimer: That's just my opinion... I may be wrong. -- dwacon(com) The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Background Sound on web site
Hoenig, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ink wired: I don't know Flash but would like to learn There is a tool called SWISH (http://www.swishzone.com/index.php) that is an easy to use tool that exports Flash format files. You can try the trial version and if you like, upgrade to the registered vsn. Hope that helps. -- Dwacon www.dwacon.com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Thanks. I'll take a look at that. Conyers wrote: Hoenig, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ink wired: I don't know Flash but would like to learn There is a tool called SWISH (http://www.swishzone.com/index.php) that is an easy to use tool that exports Flash format files. You can try the trial version and if you like, upgrade to the registered vsn. Hope that helps. -- Dwacon www.dwacon.com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. � The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM � To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Background Sound on web site
Swish is very easy to use and if you need just bits of Flash here and there makes far more sense than tackling the learning curve of Flash 8. Cheryl D Wise MS MVP FrontPage http://by-expression.com Online instructor led training http://starttoweb.com Aug. 20th session Expression Web Designer and Intro CSS -Original Message- From: Hoenig, Robert Thanks. I'll take a look at that. Conyers wrote: Hoenig, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ink wired: I don't know Flash but would like to learn There is a tool called SWISH (http://www.swishzone.com/index.php) that is an easy to use tool that exports Flash format files. You can try the trial version and if you like, upgrade to the registered vsn. � The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM � To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Background Sound on web site
I'm developing a site for someone and they want a music file to play when a
page loads. I can get it to work on IE, Firefox, and Netscape using bgsound
but it's not working when viewed on a mac.
if (navigator.appName == Microsoft Internet Explorer) {
document.write('bgsound src=music/heart.mp3 LOOP=false');
}
else {
document.write('embed type=application/x-mplayer2
pluginspage=http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/MediaPlayer/; Name=MediaPlayer
src=music/heart.mp3 AutoStart=true ShowStatusBar=0 ShowControls=0
ShowDisplay=0 volume=1 HEIGHT=1 WIDTH=1 loop=infinitebr');
}
That's the script I'm using??? Do I need to use a different format (I'm using
mp3) ??
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[wdvltalk] Background Sound on web site
I'm developing a site for someone and they want a music file to play when a
page loads. I can get it to work on IE, Firefox, and Netscape using bgsound
but it's not working when viewed on a mac.
if (navigator.appName == Microsoft Internet Explorer) {
document.write('bgsound src=music/heart.mp3 LOOP=false');
}
else {
document.write('embed type=application/x-mplayer2
pluginspage=http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/MediaPlayer/; Name=MediaPlayer
src=music/heart.mp3 AutoStart=true ShowStatusBar=0 ShowControls=0
ShowDisplay=0 volume=1 HEIGHT=1 WIDTH=1 loop=infinitebr');
}
That's the script I'm using??? Do I need to use a different format (I'm using
mp3) ??
Thanks
Robert
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