RE:[wdvltalk] is this site good? [user interest]
Now we're really thick into Web Usability. Thus, I really have to state what I believe is generally true: 1. Web sites are increasingly expected to be "stand alone" corporate entities, as more users discover the web site first, and know nothing about the "brick and mortar" operation, especially the non-nationals, those who do not reside in the country of origin of the company. 2. In database direct marketing, our universal guideline was that each promotion piece had to, ideally, contain at least a brief synopsis of the primary sales pitch: the USP (unique sales proposition), the major benefit of the product, and the reason to Act Now, and not wait. The web site can be viewed as part of the complete sales bundle advanced to target audiences. 3. E-commerce web sites should indeed *not* assume that all web visitors are "pre-sold" and just want more information about the product and order forms. This would be a huge error. Yet the web site may not need to go into a long, detailed sales pitch, due to the rightly expressed impatience and hurry of users, which I constantly stress and a Major Reality of Users. Users are largely trained to skip irrelevant details and go straight to the About Us, Contact, Order Now, or whatever they're most interested in doing at the web site. = Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: RE:[wdvltalk] is this site good? [photos]
Steven, Just pursuing the photo question. I have books of funny poems for sale; what would be an appropriate photo? Simply people laughing? Joseph > I had said: > > ...it is a Proven Fact, proven by A/B split testing, > > that photos of product in use, by typical customer, > > solving a problem or gaining a benefit by using > > product, out performs ads or promotions with no > photo > > or with photo of product alone. > > Then Amanda B. replied: > > The research you're citing is for "ads or promotions". > It is worth > noting that the photo needs for a site that expects > its shoppers to > already *want* its products can be very different. As > one of the > earlier posters noted, if I already am convinced that > I want your > sparkly kohl eye pencil, then showing me close ups of > the available > tips and colors is going to produce a lot more sales > than showing me a > little picture of some lady holding one. This is > certainly MY > experience as a shopper--I go to a site knowing what I > want, and > wanting to learn details, not be re-sold. > > In usability, as in all things, context is everything. > Amanda Birmingham > > > And now I add this: > > 1. Not everyone who goes to an e-commerce web site is > "pre-sold", e.g. for cosmetics, for beauty, for this > specific beauty product, for buying anything at all > anywhere. > > 2. In a global market, the WORLD wide web, there are > some people who don't even know what commercial > cosmetics are. They either don't use any make up, or > they use home made make up, like berries, roots, etc. > > 3. The photo of the products, the varieties of > cosmetics, is important for customers who have passed > through preliminary stages of sales preparation. > > But that photo should be relegated to a subservient > location further down the main index page, or even > deeper into the site. > > The lead photo at top of home page should be something > on the order of an extremely handsome guy gawking or > subtly staring at a woman as she shines with the > radiance of the company's cosmetics...either she's > applying some to herself, or we see her slipping them > back into her purse, or whatever. > > Many different ways to do it, but Product in Use for > Solving a Problem/Gaining a Benefit is the proven > superior photo in advertising and, by transference, in > web sites. > > I feel this principle is as relevant to this web site > as it is for a Coty print ad in Cosmo. > > But I submit to the wisdom of the actual user, the > target audience, a real woman... > > ...if I don't, my wife might injure me. > > :^) > > > = > Steven Streight > Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer > Blogologist > Digital Media Artist > Virtual Instrument Music Composer > > http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com > http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com > http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com > EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ >Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: RE:[wdvltalk] is this site good?
Steven, that is a kind comment for which I thank you. But it did produce a set of answers which together were very thorough and therefore answered my, as you point out, too general question. While it can be a little uncomfortable at times I would rather get a full answer which shows weaknesses before problems arise. So I don't want to discourage anyone from frankness; and, as became apparent, I hadn't paid enough attention before seeking judgement! And I am hoping to get back now to some coding after a spell where I have been unable to concentrate on it. Joseph > Joseph Harris: let me joke with you half-seriously in > good will and sympathy. > > Next time, consider using a subject line of: "Dig that > crazy floating shopping cart!" > > instead of "is this site good?" > > I feel sorry for you, because I think you mainly > wanted to draw attention to the floating shopping > cart, but people keep swarming other details of that > site. > > You are so kind to keep saying, "yeah, I know, but I > was real impressed with that floating shopping cart > even on a visited page..." etc. [paraphrased] > > I just had to stick up for you and comment on your > kind heartedness and patience. > > you is cool. > > = > Steven Streight > Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer > Blogologist > Digital Media Artist > Virtual Instrument Music Composer > > http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com > http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com > http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com > EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] is this site good? [photos]
I have to agree with Stephen the web is not print! It is not television. It is its own media and "rules" that work in those mediums do not directly translate to the web. People browse magazine for the articles and are attracted (hopefully) to the ads. While people go to the web to look for information on products. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com Office: 713-353-0139 -Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill > > Many different ways to do it, but Product in Use for Solving a > Problem/Gaining a Benefit is the proven superior photo in advertising > and, by transference, in web sites. > > I feel this principle is as relevant to this web site as it is for a > Coty print ad in Cosmo. You make dire assumptions when transposing one medium onto another. The web is like no other medium and you have your work cut out for you if you wish to draw corollaries. - Stephen _ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] is this site good? [photos]
I just have to jump in here. You would be surprised how many people making themselves up in berries and roots (though the all-natural, handmade make-up market is not quite that primitive) make purchases on the web, though they wouldn't be going to THAT website. Most packaging and supplies are generally purchased online. Most people don't have the option of wild harvesting anymore, especially if organic herbs are used. This is totally beside the point, I know, but I couldn't let it pass. Believe it or not, this is a growing industry. Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:25 AM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] is this site good? [photos] Steven Streight wrote: > 2. In a global market, the WORLD wide web, there are > some people who don't even know what commercial > cosmetics are. They either don't use any make up, or > they use home made make up, like berries, roots, etc. How many people making themselves up in berries and roots do you suppose are making purchases on the web? The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] is this site good? [photos]
-Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill [m] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:25 AM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] is this site good? [photos] Steven Streight wrote: > 2. In a global market, the WORLD wide web, there are some people who > don't even know what commercial cosmetics are. They either don't use > any make up, or they use home made make up, like berries, roots, etc. How many people making themselves up in berries and roots do you suppose are making purchases on the web? > 3. The photo of the products, the varieties of cosmetics, is important > for customers who have passed through preliminary stages of sales > preparation. > > But that photo should be relegated to a subservient location further > down the main index page, or even deeper into the site. You're ignoring the fact that for most businesses their "click and order" operations are an extension of their "brick and mortar" ones. Brand identity has generally been established beforehand and online outlets are provided as an additional method of generating revenue for those who find it more convenient to shop that way. Thus, it wastes the consumers time to feed them sales pitches when they simply want to purchase. Businesses on the web that don't fit into this paradigm tend to be of the Amazon variety, eTailers with only logistics installations (if that) and no physical retail shops. However, even in the instance of the Amazons of the world, companies who's brand identity did not precede their web presence, you won't find them doing a lot of selling. They simply have what you're looking for, always available in a few clicks, at better prices than most and can have it on your doorstep in a matter of days. Almost all users of the web have a sense of immediacy about their usage, contributing to the fabled short attention span of the web user. Whether it is searching for information or products, they want what they want instantly, with little cruft, introduce it and you stand the chance of losing them. > The lead photo at top of home page should be something on the order of > an extremely handsome guy gawking or subtly staring at a woman as she > shines with the radiance of the company's cosmetics...either she's > applying some to herself, or we see her slipping them back into her > purse, or whatever. > > Many different ways to do it, but Product in Use for Solving a > Problem/Gaining a Benefit is the proven superior photo in advertising > and, by transference, in web sites. > > I feel this principle is as relevant to this web site as it is for a > Coty print ad in Cosmo. You make dire assumptions when transposing one medium onto another. The web is like no other medium and you have your work cut out for you if you wish to draw corollaries. - Stephen == Spam proves that indeed "Product in Use for Solving a > Problem/Gaining a Benefit " does work on the web. Savvy consumers who know to skip the "Benefit" and go to the specs are our best hope. Even then, though, the masters of illusion will get you now and then. The rule "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" always needs to be foremost when dealing with advertising. drew The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] is this site good? [photos]
Steven Streight wrote: 2. In a global market, the WORLD wide web, there are some people who don't even know what commercial cosmetics are. They either don't use any make up, or they use home made make up, like berries, roots, etc. How many people making themselves up in berries and roots do you suppose are making purchases on the web? 3. The photo of the products, the varieties of cosmetics, is important for customers who have passed through preliminary stages of sales preparation. But that photo should be relegated to a subservient location further down the main index page, or even deeper into the site. You're ignoring the fact that for most businesses their "click and order" operations are an extension of their "brick and mortar" ones. Brand identity has generally been established beforehand and online outlets are provided as an additional method of generating revenue for those who find it more convenient to shop that way. Thus, it wastes the consumers time to feed them sales pitches when they simply want to purchase. Businesses on the web that don't fit into this paradigm tend to be of the Amazon variety, eTailers with only logistics installations (if that) and no physical retail shops. However, even in the instance of the Amazons of the world, companies who's brand identity did not precede their web presence, you won't find them doing a lot of selling. They simply have what you're looking for, always available in a few clicks, at better prices than most and can have it on your doorstep in a matter of days. Almost all users of the web have a sense of immediacy about their usage, contributing to the fabled short attention span of the web user. Whether it is searching for information or products, they want what they want instantly, with little cruft, introduce it and you stand the chance of losing them. The lead photo at top of home page should be something on the order of an extremely handsome guy gawking or subtly staring at a woman as she shines with the radiance of the company's cosmetics...either she's applying some to herself, or we see her slipping them back into her purse, or whatever. Many different ways to do it, but Product in Use for Solving a Problem/Gaining a Benefit is the proven superior photo in advertising and, by transference, in web sites. I feel this principle is as relevant to this web site as it is for a Coty print ad in Cosmo. You make dire assumptions when transposing one medium onto another. The web is like no other medium and you have your work cut out for you if you wish to draw corollaries. - Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: RE:[wdvltalk] is this site good?
Joseph, Yes, there are always different viewpoints about content & presentation. That's why "listening" in on discussions lists and other people's thoughts are always interesting. Personally, I think an e-commerce site works well if it has the important information on the top of the page. Is the shopping cart information important? Well, that all depends. To some it is, to others, maybe not. No problem about making me reveal my age. I still get carded occasionally, and from far away get mistaken as a kid, so I'm still ok with the slightly under 40 thing! ;-) Ann -Original Message- From: Joseph Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 5:16 PM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: RE:[wdvltalk] is this site good? Ann, Thank you for your comments on the site.You do raise an interesting point; whether 'content' includes the product, which comes from another recent thread (but I'm not seeking to develop it!) Thank you also for pointing out the need for Javascript here. And my apologies for getting you to reveal your age ;-). Joseph The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Is this site good?
I'd not seen pop-up windows apart from called content, though it was IE on another machine. I note the points about tables and HTML issues. I think what interested me most is css used for the shopping basket. I'd not seen it float like that, or even kept on the visited page before. I'd wondered if it was relatively easy to do. Joseph As Ann pointed out, js moves it. You'll find any number of shopping cart schemes in php books, Joseph so if the one on barrym doesn't make sense, implement one of the php versions. It's like anything else -- the first time is an agony. After that it's only painful. drew The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE:[wdvltalk] is this site good? [photos]
I had said: ...it is a Proven Fact, proven by A/B split testing, > that photos of product in use, by typical customer, > solving a problem or gaining a benefit by using > product, out performs ads or promotions with no photo > or with photo of product alone. Then Amanda B. replied: The research you're citing is for "ads or promotions". It is worth noting that the photo needs for a site that expects its shoppers to already *want* its products can be very different. As one of the earlier posters noted, if I already am convinced that I want your sparkly kohl eye pencil, then showing me close ups of the available tips and colors is going to produce a lot more sales than showing me a little picture of some lady holding one. This is certainly MY experience as a shopper--I go to a site knowing what I want, and wanting to learn details, not be re-sold. In usability, as in all things, context is everything. Amanda Birmingham And now I add this: 1. Not everyone who goes to an e-commerce web site is "pre-sold", e.g. for cosmetics, for beauty, for this specific beauty product, for buying anything at all anywhere. 2. In a global market, the WORLD wide web, there are some people who don't even know what commercial cosmetics are. They either don't use any make up, or they use home made make up, like berries, roots, etc. 3. The photo of the products, the varieties of cosmetics, is important for customers who have passed through preliminary stages of sales preparation. But that photo should be relegated to a subservient location further down the main index page, or even deeper into the site. The lead photo at top of home page should be something on the order of an extremely handsome guy gawking or subtly staring at a woman as she shines with the radiance of the company's cosmetics...either she's applying some to herself, or we see her slipping them back into her purse, or whatever. Many different ways to do it, but Product in Use for Solving a Problem/Gaining a Benefit is the proven superior photo in advertising and, by transference, in web sites. I feel this principle is as relevant to this web site as it is for a Coty print ad in Cosmo. But I submit to the wisdom of the actual user, the target audience, a real woman... ...if I don't, my wife might injure me. :^) = Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE:[wdvltalk] is this site good?
Joseph Harris: let me joke with you half-seriously in good will and sympathy. Next time, consider using a subject line of: "Dig that crazy floating shopping cart!" instead of "is this site good?" I feel sorry for you, because I think you mainly wanted to draw attention to the floating shopping cart, but people keep swarming other details of that site. You are so kind to keep saying, "yeah, I know, but I was real impressed with that floating shopping cart even on a visited page..." etc. [paraphrased] I just had to stick up for you and comment on your kind heartedness and patience. you is cool. = Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] is this site good?
Steven, Product Photos: I've been in database direct response marketing since 1978, and have worked for Grey Advertising, Troy Bilt, etc., not to boast, but my point is this: ...it is a Proven Fact, proven by A/B split testing, that photos of product in use, by typical customer, solving a problem or gaining a benefit by using product, out performs ads or promotions with no photo or with photo of product alone. The research you're citing is for "ads or promotions". It is worth noting that the photo needs for a site that expects its shoppers to already *want* its products can be very different. As one of the earlier posters noted, if I already am convinced that I want your sparkly kohl eye pencil, then showing me close ups of the available tips and colors is going to produce a lot more sales than showing me a little picture of some lady holding one. This is certainly MY experience as a shopper--I go to a site knowing what I want, and wanting to learn details, not be re-sold. In usability, as in all things, context is everything. Amanda Birmingham The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Ann, Thank you for your comments on the site.You do raise an interesting point; whether 'content' includes the product, which comes from another recent thread (but I'm not seeking to develop it!) Thank you also for pointing out the need for Javascript here. And my apologies for getting you to reveal your age ;-). Joseph Hi. Just putting my 2¢ in as a woman! Personally, I also find the site colors somewhat garish and the background color kind of hurts my eyes, but then again, I'm slightly under 40, and might not be their target audience. I'm not fond of the design, but I must say it's unique. I know you like the floating shopping cart on the right, but I think placing the cart in another spot would allow more of that valuable screen real estate to be used more effectively. Plus, if JavaScript is turned off, the cart stays at the top of the column. With all that, if I liked their cosmetics, I would still purchase off the site and just ignore the parts of the site like the color that I didn't like, however, I might not surf it as long. Ann Ann Cook Web Designer Duluth Trading Co. http://www.DuluthTrading.com -Original Message- From: Joseph Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:27 AM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: RE:[wdvltalk] is this site good? Steven, Thanks for the response. I think if you viewed it as a teenage girl or woman who still liked to experiment with make-up it would be a perfect example of rudy's assertion that content is the key. Like you I find it garish, but don't agree that there is only an action way of presenting a product. My thoughts were that the site works easily and the floating shopping basket kept important information for a visitor less than a click away. The site is also fast (56k), despite so much graphic content. Everything is easy to find and get to. And for the intended audience attractive. It seems to me a site that both showed well and was likely to convert interest to sales. Joseph The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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> I would not want to copy it, but I was impressed by some aspects of > www.barrym.com (don't ask why I visited it) and particularly by the floating > shopping basket. > > Would you agree this is good design? > > Joseph Harris > > > _ > > > What do you mean by a good design? > > Will it work for the audience it's aimed at? Probably so. Got good content. > If I wanted a new neon kohl pencil, I'd like to see the shades. Having a > model holding a pencil to her eye wouldn't help much. Nice to know there are > 4 new brushes for mascara and what they look like. Can't say the neon nail > paint colors overly impress me. But the site does what it should -- shows > the products in a forthright manner. Most likely a good compliment to other > media ad campaigns and BarryM's reputation (whatever that might be). Colors > work. Flash is useless as usual. > > Technically, it's interesting. CSS is well used. The h1 tags do group > according to subject matter, for example, and are not used for font size > effect. But since there is no doctype, it's wasted effort. Plus there are > popup windows and fixed font sizes galore. Text scaling produces strange > results as a result. And of course the entire thing is a tabled layout with > all the issues that brings to the fore. Good work in a bad framework. > > drew > Thanks drew, I'd not seen pop-up windows apart from called content, though it was IE on another machine. I note the points about tables and HTML issues. I think what interested me most is css used for the shopping basket. I'd not seen it float like that, or even kept on the visited page before. I'd wondered if it was relatively easy to do. Joseph The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Hi. Just putting my 2¢ in as a woman! Personally, I also find the site colors somewhat garish and the background color kind of hurts my eyes, but then again, I'm slightly under 40, and might not be their target audience. I'm not fond of the design, but I must say it's unique. I know you like the floating shopping cart on the right, but I think placing the cart in another spot would allow more of that valuable screen real estate to be used more effectively. Plus, if JavaScript is turned off, the cart stays at the top of the column. With all that, if I liked their cosmetics, I would still purchase off the site and just ignore the parts of the site like the color that I didn't like, however, I might not surf it as long. Ann Ann Cook Web Designer Duluth Trading Co. http://www.DuluthTrading.com -Original Message- From: Joseph Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:27 AM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: RE:[wdvltalk] is this site good? Steven, Thanks for the response. I think if you viewed it as a teenage girl or woman who still liked to experiment with make-up it would be a perfect example of rudy's assertion that content is the key. Like you I find it garish, but don't agree that there is only an action way of presenting a product. My thoughts were that the site works easily and the floating shopping basket kept important information for a visitor less than a click away. The site is also fast (56k), despite so much graphic content. Everything is easy to find and get to. And for the intended audience attractive. It seems to me a site that both showed well and was likely to convert interest to sales. Joseph The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Joseph Harris wrote: But my interest was mostly in the idea of a floating shopping basket, and the link layout and accesibility. What floating basket??? Accessibility in Flarsh? Link Layout? They're breaking ground with a vertical navigation? And buttons that don't look have a consistent look? - Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Steven, I don't see your comments as nit-picking, and I agree with you about the garishness. What I was noting was a) an experienced surfer dwelling at the site, and b) the ease of use. > Joseph, I'm sure you know what you're talking about as > far as what you like about this site in question. > > I once mentioned sites I liked, in a usability article > I wrote for an online publication, and the editor > questioned them, even calling them "unusable", one had > frames, so it was a bit violating of usability, but > had many excellant qualities. > > So I know what it's like to express a liking for a > site, then have someone nitpick it, or even express > valid misgivings about the site. > > Product Photos: I've been in database direct response > marketing since 1978, and have worked for Grey > Advertising, Troy Bilt, etc., not to boast, but my > point is this: > > ...it is a Proven Fact, proven by A/B split testing, > that photos of product in use, by typical customer, > solving a problem or gaining a benefit by using > product, out performs ads or promotions with no photo > or with photo of product alone. I do know enough of advertising to recognise the truth of this last; again I was noting the reaction of someone with a realistic view of the net and adverts. So, while the site might do better with those, it was already holding attention - but there are also a couple of site design features (the shopping basket and the link efficiency) that interested me. I'm happy with discussion, and think that having to make a case helps to clarify thinking. Joseph ttp://mail.yahoo.com > > . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ >Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Scott, Thanks for taking the trouble and stying with it. Really my comment to Steven describes (what maybe I should have put with my original question). I think both you and Steven are responding to page design as seen by middle age and post middle age men like us. We have no insight into the young female mind!!! But my interest was mostly in the idea of a floating shopping basket, and the link layout and accesibility. Joseph > I'm afraid that I will have to go along with Steven on this one. It looks > like some gushy teenage girl's idea of a personal site (sorry, > non-gushy-teenager-type ladies, no offense intended), the kind of site she > would refer her AOL buddies to visit while maundering in a chat room. The > color scheme and immediate visual impact of the site was so off-putting that > my first impulse was to click away; I only stayed longer because you asked > for an opinion. > > My opinion: decidedly not impressive, unless the desired impression is one > of distaste. > > Cheers, > Scott > > - Original Message - > From: "Joseph Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:26 PM > Subject: [wdvltalk] Is this site good? > > > >I would not want to copy it, but I was impressed by some aspects of > > www.barrym.com (don't ask why I visited it) and particularly by the > > floating > > shopping basket. > > > > Would you agree this is good design? > > > > Joseph Harris > > > > > > . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . > > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > > use the web interface > > http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ > > Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > > Jupitermedia Corp. > > Attn: Discussion List Management > > 475 Park Avenue South > > New York, NY 10016 > > > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > > > . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ >Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Joseph, I'm sure you know what you're talking about as far as what you like about this site in question. I once mentioned sites I liked, in a usability article I wrote for an online publication, and the editor questioned them, even calling them "unusable", one had frames, so it was a bit violating of usability, but had many excellant qualities. So I know what it's like to express a liking for a site, then have someone nitpick it, or even express valid misgivings about the site. Product Photos: I've been in database direct response marketing since 1978, and have worked for Grey Advertising, Troy Bilt, etc., not to boast, but my point is this: ...it is a Proven Fact, proven by A/B split testing, that photos of product in use, by typical customer, solving a problem or gaining a benefit by using product, out performs ads or promotions with no photo or with photo of product alone. Just my two centavos. = Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Steven, Thanks for the response. I think if you viewed it as a teenage girl or woman who still liked to experiment with make-up it would be a perfect example of rudy's assertion that content is the key. Like you I find it garish, but don't agree that there is only an action way of presenting a product. My thoughts were that the site works easily and the floating shopping basket kept important information for a visitor less than a click away. The site is also fast (56k), despite so much graphic content. Everything is easy to find and get to. And for the intended audience attractive. It seems to me a site that both showed well and was likely to convert interest to sales. Joseph > Joseph: > > What did you like about it? > > I looked at it for 30 seconds and wanted to leave. > > The colors pink and odd gray blue look like, in fact > the whole design looks like they sell baby clothes, > baby stuff. > > An amateurish and immature, teenager's personal page > feel. Maybe that works for them. > > The large cental photo of the cosmetics: this is a > classic blooper, you should never show photos of the > product. > > You should show photos of (1.) the product in use (2.) > by a typical customer (3.) solving a problem or > gaining a benefit with the use of the product. > > Sorry. don't mean to berate your judgment, I just > don't like this site from an instant "blinked" > intuitive reaction to the home page. > > If I spent more time operating it, I might see good > aspects, but the immediate visual impression of a site > is of utmost importance. > > = > Steven Streight > Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer > Blogologist > Digital Media Artist > Virtual Instrument Music Composer > > http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com > http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com > http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com > EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ >Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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I'm afraid that I will have to go along with Steven on this one. It looks like some gushy teenage girl's idea of a personal site (sorry, non-gushy-teenager-type ladies, no offense intended), the kind of site she would refer her AOL buddies to visit while maundering in a chat room. The color scheme and immediate visual impact of the site was so off-putting that my first impulse was to click away; I only stayed longer because you asked for an opinion. My opinion: decidedly not impressive, unless the desired impression is one of distaste. Cheers, Scott - Original Message - From: "Joseph Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:26 PM Subject: [wdvltalk] Is this site good? I would not want to copy it, but I was impressed by some aspects of www.barrym.com (don't ask why I visited it) and particularly by the floating shopping basket. Would you agree this is good design? Joseph Harris . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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-Original Message- From: Joseph Harris [ Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:26 PM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: [wdvltalk] Is this site good? I would not want to copy it, but I was impressed by some aspects of www.barrym.com (don't ask why I visited it) and particularly by the floating shopping basket. Would you agree this is good design? Joseph Harris _ What do you mean by a good design? Will it work for the audience it's aimed at? Probably so. Got good content. If I wanted a new neon kohl pencil, I'd like to see the shades. Having a model holding a pencil to her eye wouldn't help much. Nice to know there are 4 new brushes for mascara and what they look like. Can't say the neon nail paint colors overly impress me. But the site does what it should -- shows the products in a forthright manner. Most likely a good compliment to other media ad campaigns and BarryM's reputation (whatever that might be). Colors work. Flash is useless as usual. Technically, it's interesting. CSS is well used. The h1 tags do group according to subject matter, for example, and are not used for font size effect. But since there is no doctype, it's wasted effort. Plus there are popup windows and fixed font sizes galore. Text scaling produces strange results as a result. And of course the entire thing is a tabled layout with all the issues that brings to the fore. Good work in a bad framework. drew The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Joseph: What did you like about it? I looked at it for 30 seconds and wanted to leave. The colors pink and odd gray blue look like, in fact the whole design looks like they sell baby clothes, baby stuff. An amateurish and immature, teenager's personal page feel. Maybe that works for them. The large cental photo of the cosmetics: this is a classic blooper, you should never show photos of the product. You should show photos of (1.) the product in use (2.) by a typical customer (3.) solving a problem or gaining a benefit with the use of the product. Sorry. don't mean to berate your judgment, I just don't like this site from an instant "blinked" intuitive reaction to the home page. If I spent more time operating it, I might see good aspects, but the immediate visual impression of a site is of utmost importance. = Steven Streight Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer Blogologist Digital Media Artist Virtual Instrument Music Composer http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.streightsite.blogspot.com http://www.arttestexplosion.blogspot.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
