New look for wocommunity.org
Hello everyone, wocommunity.org finally have a brand new look! Thanks to the efforts of one of our community member, Sophiacom (www.sophiacom.fr). Everything is much cleaner now, especially the Screencasts page. More stuff is coming soon in the Community section : personal and organization profiles, and WO projects listing. Again, thanks to Sophiacom for the new look. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
mailing from quartz and a direct action
I have a direct action that runs from a curl job, but I would like to be able to run the same job as a quartz job. Somehow I can not seem to find the magic combination, as mailing from the DA works perfect, but when I call the DA from a quartz job, the whole thing fails. Does anyone have a code example that combines a quartz job with a direct action to send a HTML email component? Johan Henselmans jo...@netsense.nl ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
Nice Job! With Kind Regards, Dennis Gaastra, Chief Technology Officer, WEBAPPZ® Systems, Inc. On 2010-02-01, at 4:35 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: Hello everyone, wocommunity.org finally have a brand new look! Thanks to the efforts of one of our community member, Sophiacom (www.sophiacom.fr). Everything is much cleaner now, especially the Screencasts page. More stuff is coming soon in the Community section : personal and organization profiles, and WO projects listing. Again, thanks to Sophiacom for the new look. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects_lists%40webappz.com This email sent to webobjects_li...@webappz.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Does switching to servlet deployment serve a purpose?
The biggest things you lose is the built in load balancing and the javamonitor. You will need to spawn your own instances and load balance them externally. Deployment turns into a single war file that is easy to do. It is much easier to deploy a war versus setting up a wo deployment. The other big gain is support for non wo supported platforms like Linux, solaris, and windows Dov Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Hugi Thordarson h...@karlmenn.is wrote: Hi all! Quick question. We're currently running a WO deployment architecture (wotaskd and JavaMonitor). Some of our developers are adamant about switching to using a servlet container for WO applications, specifically they want to switch to Glassfish. So, basically my questions are: 1) Is there anything gained by this change? 2) Is there anything lost by this change? 3) Does anyone here have experience running WO on Glassfish? 3) To sum it up: Should I care? Cheers, - hugi ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/drosenberg%40inquira.com This email sent to drosenb...@inquira.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: mailing from quartz and a direct action
When you say you're running the DA using a Quartz job, I'm guessing they're both running in the same application and you're using Quartz to send an http request. If that's the case, the most likely cause for your fault is that you're not running with concurrent request handling enabled, thus causing your app to deadlock (quartz invokes the direct action and waits for a response that will never come, since the request handling thread is busy waiting for your Quartz-invoked request to finish). Run your application with WOAllowConcurrentRequestHandling=true. Alternately (and much better) move your logic out of direct action classes so Quartz can invoke your methods without sending a HTTP-request. If this is not your problem, a better description than the whole thing fails would help us help you :). Cheers, - hugi // Hugi Thordarson // http://hugi.karlmenn.is/ On 1.2.2010, at 16:42, Johan Henselmans wrote: I have a direct action that runs from a curl job, but I would like to be able to run the same job as a quartz job. Somehow I can not seem to find the magic combination, as mailing from the DA works perfect, but when I call the DA from a quartz job, the whole thing fails. Does anyone have a code example that combines a quartz job with a direct action to send a HTML email component? Johan Henselmans jo...@netsense.nl ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is This email sent to h...@karlmenn.is ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Does switching to servlet deployment serve a purpose?
Thanks for the reply Dov. Apparently Glassfish has a very nice GUI, so I understand it will replace JavaMonitor nicely. However, I have no idea if mod_servlet allows for load balancing. Why is a war file easier to deploy than a woa? And we don't gain anything platform-wise, WO runs fine on most any platform regardless of whether you're deploying your apps as servlets or not (we run CentOS Linux). Cheers, - hugi The biggest things you lose is the built in load balancing and the javamonitor. You will need to spawn your own instances and load balance them externally. Deployment turns into a single war file that is easy to do. It is much easier to deploy a war versus setting up a wo deployment. The other big gain is support for non wo supported platforms like Linux, solaris, and windows Dov Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Hugi Thordarson h...@karlmenn.is wrote: Hi all! Quick question. We're currently running a WO deployment architecture (wotaskd and JavaMonitor). Some of our developers are adamant about switching to using a servlet container for WO applications, specifically they want to switch to Glassfish. So, basically my questions are: 1) Is there anything gained by this change? 2) Is there anything lost by this change? 3) Does anyone here have experience running WO on Glassfish? 3) To sum it up: Should I care? Cheers, - hugi ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/drosenberg%40inquira.com This email sent to drosenb...@inquira.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Does switching to servlet deployment serve a purpose?
On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Dov Rosenberg wrote: The biggest things you lose is the built in load balancing and the javamonitor. You will need to spawn your own instances and load balance them externally. That seems like a rather big drawback. Deployment turns into a single war file that is easy to do. It is much easier to deploy a war versus setting up a wo deployment. With the full embedding now available in WOProject, I suspect that a fully embedded .woa may now be easier to deploy. You do still need to deploy the web server resources in a separate step. The other big gain is support for non wo supported platforms like Linux, solaris, and windows The only thing not cross platfom is mod_webobjects and that is fairly easy to build and mDimension kindly hosts several pre-built versions: http://webobjects.mdimension.com/wonder/mod_WebObjects/Apache2.2/ From what I have seen, the only real reasons to use servlet deployment are: - access to things like jsp tagging - deployment on hosting services that don't support WO (which would be most of them...) - deployment in a mixed environment where servlet deployment has been mandated as the standard At least as of a couple years ago, ITMS was using standard WO deployment. They need all the bang they can get, so if servlet was better I expect they would have used that. Chuck On Feb 1, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Hugi Thordarson h...@karlmenn.is wrote: Hi all! Quick question. We're currently running a WO deployment architecture (wotaskd and JavaMonitor). Some of our developers are adamant about switching to using a servlet container for WO applications, specifically they want to switch to Glassfish. So, basically my questions are: 1) Is there anything gained by this change? 2) Is there anything lost by this change? 3) Does anyone here have experience running WO on Glassfish? 3) To sum it up: Should I care? Cheers, - hugi ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/drosenberg%40inquira.com This email sent to drosenb...@inquira.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: FrontBase 5
Resurrecting the Is FrontBase Dead?!!? thread... I reported a rather minor bug in 4.x last Friday. It was fixed as of Monday morning and they gave me a patched version to download. They are definitely still very much in the game, they've just been busy. Chuck On Jan 7, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Just got an email from Geert at FrontBase that FB5 should be out in a week or two ... So, FB lives :) ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Does switching to servlet deployment serve a purpose?
The biggest things you lose is the built in load balancing and the javamonitor. You will need to spawn your own instances and load balance them externally. That seems like a rather big drawback. Indeed. I have however not checked out how this is handled by Glassfish. I imagine there must be some sort of a load balancing architecture somewhere, however. Deployment turns into a single war file that is easy to do. It is much easier to deploy a war versus setting up a wo deployment. With the full embedding now available in WOProject, I suspect that a fully embedded .woa may now be easier to deploy. You do still need to deploy the web server resources in a separate step. Indeed. We embed everything. And since we're not operating under heavy load, we have the luxury of being able to ignore WS resources and just use app resources. It's disgusting, I know - but as long as we can spare the cycles... :). The other big gain is support for non wo supported platforms like Linux, solaris, and windows The only thing not cross platfom is mod_webobjects and that is fairly easy to build and mDimension kindly hosts several pre-built versions: http://webobjects.mdimension.com/wonder/mod_WebObjects/Apache2.2/ From what I have seen, the only real reasons to use servlet deployment are: - access to things like jsp tagging - deployment on hosting services that don't support WO (which would be most of them...) - deployment in a mixed environment where servlet deployment has been mandated as the standard At least as of a couple years ago, ITMS was using standard WO deployment. They need all the bang they can get, so if servlet was better I expect they would have used that. Yeah, that's pretty much what I figured. As usual, it mostly boils down to politics, I can't find any actual technical reasons to switch deployment environments. Thanks! Cheers, - hugi ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: FrontBase 5
Is it true that the electronic licenses for Version 4 are the same as those for Version 5? Thanks. With Kind Regards, Dennis Gaastra, Chief Technology Officer, WEBAPPZ® Systems, Inc. On 2010-02-01, at 11:17 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: Resurrecting the Is FrontBase Dead?!!? thread... I reported a rather minor bug in 4.x last Friday. It was fixed as of Monday morning and they gave me a patched version to download. They are definitely still very much in the game, they've just been busy. Chuck On Jan 7, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Just got an email from Geert at FrontBase that FB5 should be out in a week or two ... So, FB lives :) ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects_lists%40webappz.com This email sent to webobjects_li...@webappz.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: FrontBase 5
Besides, FrontBase just plain rocks. It does nothing besides just being there and working exactly as it should. - hugi On 1.2.2010, at 19:17, Chuck Hill wrote: Resurrecting the Is FrontBase Dead?!!? thread... I reported a rather minor bug in 4.x last Friday. It was fixed as of Monday morning and they gave me a patched version to download. They are definitely still very much in the game, they've just been busy. Chuck On Jan 7, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Just got an email from Geert at FrontBase that FB5 should be out in a week or two ... So, FB lives :) ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is This email sent to h...@karlmenn.is ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Simple Image Button Question
Assuming you are using Wonder and WO 5.4, how do you do a rollover with a wo:imagebutton? Thanks in advance, Johnny ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Does switching to servlet deployment serve a purpose?
Politics was our biggest motivator. Our software is deployed on customers servers and it was not an option to install a WO runtime everywhere. Its not ideal but deploying in a Tomcat type environment seems to work pretty well even when our app is scaled to pretty high loads Dov On 2/1/10 2:51 PM, Hugi Thordarson h...@karlmenn.is wrote: The biggest things you lose is the built in load balancing and the javamonitor. You will need to spawn your own instances and load balance them externally. That seems like a rather big drawback. Indeed. I have however not checked out how this is handled by Glassfish. I imagine there must be some sort of a load balancing architecture somewhere, however. Deployment turns into a single war file that is easy to do. It is much easier to deploy a war versus setting up a wo deployment. With the full embedding now available in WOProject, I suspect that a fully embedded .woa may now be easier to deploy. You do still need to deploy the web server resources in a separate step. Indeed. We embed everything. And since we're not operating under heavy load, we have the luxury of being able to ignore WS resources and just use app resources. It's disgusting, I know - but as long as we can spare the cycles... :). The other big gain is support for non wo supported platforms like Linux, solaris, and windows The only thing not cross platfom is mod_webobjects and that is fairly easy to build and mDimension kindly hosts several pre-built versions: http://webobjects.mdimension.com/wonder/mod_WebObjects/Apache2.2/ From what I have seen, the only real reasons to use servlet deployment are: - access to things like jsp tagging - deployment on hosting services that don't support WO (which would be most of them...) - deployment in a mixed environment where servlet deployment has been mandated as the standard At least as of a couple years ago, ITMS was using standard WO deployment. They need all the bang they can get, so if servlet was better I expect they would have used that. Yeah, that's pretty much what I figured. As usual, it mostly boils down to politics, I can't find any actual technical reasons to switch deployment environments. Thanks! Cheers, - hugi ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/drosenberg%40inquira.com This email sent to drosenb...@inquira.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
Merci Pascal. But I want to add: a big round of applause for Pascal who makes a tremendous job for the WOCommunity. Everybody knows that the community would be harmless without the contributors to Wonder, the mailing list, ... But today is the Pascal day ;-) Philippe PS: Aline, our graphic designer works closely with Pascal so special thanks to her from me. On 1 févr. 2010, at 13:35, Pascal Robert wrote: Hello everyone, wocommunity.org finally have a brand new look! Thanks to the efforts of one of our community member, Sophiacom (www.sophiacom.fr). Everything is much cleaner now, especially the Screencasts page. More stuff is coming soon in the Community section : personal and organization profiles, and WO projects listing. Again, thanks to Sophiacom for the new look. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/prabier%40mac.com This email sent to prab...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
Bravo to both of them. This has been a big improvement to the site. Thank you! On Feb 1, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Philippe Rabier wrote: Merci Pascal. But I want to add: a big round of applause for Pascal who makes a tremendous job for the WOCommunity. Everybody knows that the community would be harmless without the contributors to Wonder, the mailing list, ... But today is the Pascal day ;-) Philippe PS: Aline, our graphic designer works closely with Pascal so special thanks to her from me. On 1 févr. 2010, at 13:35, Pascal Robert wrote: Hello everyone, wocommunity.org finally have a brand new look! Thanks to the efforts of one of our community member, Sophiacom (www.sophiacom.fr). Everything is much cleaner now, especially the Screencasts page. More stuff is coming soon in the Community section : personal and organization profiles, and WO projects listing. Again, thanks to Sophiacom for the new look. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/prabier%40mac.com This email sent to prab...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
Wow - Great site! I never knew there existed all those videos. Very timely as I learn wonder and ajax. Thanks On Feb 1, 2010, at 6:35 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: Hello everyone, wocommunity.org finally have a brand new look! Thanks to the efforts of one of our community member, Sophiacom (www.sophiacom.fr). Everything is much cleaner now, especially the Screencasts page. More stuff is coming soon in the Community section : personal and organization profiles, and WO projects listing. Again, thanks to Sophiacom for the new look. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/james%40jimijon.com This email sent to ja...@jimijon.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
Those videos were there for a long time, but only in the podcasts feed. The plan is to allow people to upload podcasts (or at least the URL to a podcast) themselves so that people don't have to wait after me :-) Wow - Great site! I never knew there existed all those videos. Very timely as I learn wonder and ajax. Thanks On Feb 1, 2010, at 6:35 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: Hello everyone, wocommunity.org finally have a brand new look! Thanks to the efforts of one of our community member, Sophiacom (www.sophiacom.fr). Everything is much cleaner now, especially the Screencasts page. More stuff is coming soon in the Community section : personal and organization profiles, and WO projects listing. Again, thanks to Sophiacom for the new look. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
It is really great to see the community support. Well done, everyone! David On 1-Feb-10, at 2:40 PM, Philippe Rabier wrote: Merci Pascal. But I want to add: a big round of applause for Pascal who makes a tremendous job for the WOCommunity. Everybody knows that the community would be harmless without the contributors to Wonder, the mailing list, ... But today is the Pascal day ;-) Philippe PS: Aline, our graphic designer works closely with Pascal so special thanks to her from me. On 1 févr. 2010, at 13:35, Pascal Robert wrote: Hello everyone, wocommunity.org finally have a brand new look! Thanks to the efforts of one of our community member, Sophiacom (www.sophiacom.fr). Everything is much cleaner now, especially the Screencasts page. More stuff is coming soon in the Community section : personal and organization profiles, and WO projects listing. Again, thanks to Sophiacom for the new look. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/prabier% 40mac.com This email sent to prab...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx %40mac.com This email sent to programming...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
The design is pretty nice! I like it. But you still couldn't get rid of that defensive slogan on the Why WO? page. It should say Because it rocks!. Not mention any other stuff ... This whole page is so negative. I'd say that needs some serious rewrite ... cug On 1. Feb, 2010, at 4:35 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: Hello everyone, wocommunity.org finally have a brand new look! Thanks to the efforts of one of our community member, Sophiacom (www.sophiacom.fr). Everything is much cleaner now, especially the Screencasts page. More stuff is coming soon in the Community section : personal and organization profiles, and WO projects listing. Again, thanks to Sophiacom for the new look. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/guido.neitzer%40gmail.com This email sent to guido.neit...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
On 02/02/2010, at 11:43 AM, Guido Neitzer wrote: The design is pretty nice! I like it. But you still couldn't get rid of that defensive slogan on the Why WO? page. It should say Because it rocks!. Not mention any other stuff ... This whole page is so negative. I'd say that needs some serious rewrite ... Yep. (+1 for Guido to rewrite it ;-) with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
I would, but ... I'm not a native english speaker and it shows. It shows quite often especially when I write something. I'll come up with something and will send it to a group for discussion, though. cug On 1. Feb, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote: On 02/02/2010, at 11:43 AM, Guido Neitzer wrote: The design is pretty nice! I like it. But you still couldn't get rid of that defensive slogan on the Why WO? page. It should say Because it rocks!. Not mention any other stuff ... This whole page is so negative. I'd say that needs some serious rewrite ... Yep. (+1 for Guido to rewrite it ;-) with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
Le 10-02-01 à 19:43, Guido Neitzer a écrit : The design is pretty nice! I like it. But you still couldn't get rid of that defensive slogan on the Why WO? page. It should say Because it rocks!. Not mention any other stuff ... This whole page is so negative. I'd say that needs some serious rewrite ... You are the third one who said that :-) Now that I'm on medicine and my brain is wreck, I'm more positive and I created a wiki page where people can put their ideas and comments about that page. http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOCOM/Why+WebObjects cug On 1. Feb, 2010, at 4:35 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: Hello everyone, wocommunity.org finally have a brand new look! Thanks to the efforts of one of our community member, Sophiacom (www.sophiacom.fr). Everything is much cleaner now, especially the Screencasts page. More stuff is coming soon in the Community section : personal and organization profiles, and WO projects listing. Again, thanks to Sophiacom for the new look. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/guido.neitzer%40gmail.com This email sent to guido.neit...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
It think the facts are good, but you are right: from a sales point of view it looks at it from the wrong direction. As a quick example, But it’s in Java! Yes, it’s Java, but it’s not J2EE. You don’t have to deal with EJB, J2EE containers, Struts and the like. WebObjects uses Java for its best features : major code libraries (JavaMail, Jakarta projects, etc.) and portability. Java on the Web, Done Right! Enjoy working in a clean and elegantly designed set of coherent, consistent frameworks. Delight in spending your time implementing features instead of fussing with infrastructure. You don’t have to deal with EJB, J2EE containers, Struts and the like. There is no need to hand edit XML and use dependancy injection to get the pieces to co- operate. Of course, WebObjects has full access to the universe of Java libraries (JavaMail, Jakarta projects, etc.) and the portability Java developers depend on. On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote: The design is pretty nice! I like it. But you still couldn't get rid of that defensive slogan on the Why WO? page. It should say Because it rocks!. Not mention any other stuff ... This whole page is so negative. I'd say that needs some serious rewrite ... cug On 1. Feb, 2010, at 4:35 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: Hello everyone, wocommunity.org finally have a brand new look! Thanks to the efforts of one of our community member, Sophiacom (www.sophiacom.fr). Everything is much cleaner now, especially the Screencasts page. More stuff is coming soon in the Community section : personal and organization profiles, and WO projects listing. Again, thanks to Sophiacom for the new look. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/guido.neitzer%40gmail.com This email sent to guido.neit...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
Oh, my ... That's why my first idea was to say Chunk, please take a look ;-) Seriously, I can invest some time tonight, take a closer look from a different angle and we can discuss that. cug On 1. Feb, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: It think the facts are good, but you are right: from a sales point of view it looks at it from the wrong direction. As a quick example, But it’s in Java! Yes, it’s Java, but it’s not J2EE. You don’t have to deal with EJB, J2EE containers, Struts and the like. WebObjects uses Java for its best features : major code libraries (JavaMail, Jakarta projects, etc.) and portability. Java on the Web, Done Right! Enjoy working in a clean and elegantly designed set of coherent, consistent frameworks. Delight in spending your time implementing features instead of fussing with infrastructure. You don’t have to deal with EJB, J2EE containers, Struts and the like. There is no need to hand edit XML and use dependancy injection to get the pieces to co-operate. Of course, WebObjects has full access to the universe of Java libraries (JavaMail, Jakarta projects, etc.) and the portability Java developers depend on. On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote: The design is pretty nice! I like it. But you still couldn't get rid of that defensive slogan on the Why WO? page. It should say Because it rocks!. Not mention any other stuff ... This whole page is so negative. I'd say that needs some serious rewrite ... cug On 1. Feb, 2010, at 4:35 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: Hello everyone, wocommunity.org finally have a brand new look! Thanks to the efforts of one of our community member, Sophiacom (www.sophiacom.fr). Everything is much cleaner now, especially the Screencasts page. More stuff is coming soon in the Community section : personal and organization profiles, and WO projects listing. Again, thanks to Sophiacom for the new look. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/guido.neitzer%40gmail.com This email sent to guido.neit...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
ServerName outside RR loop?
Is it possible to get at the server name without a request/context? It doesn't seem likely but I thought it worth asking. Right now I'm storing it at the application level when the first request is made. Alternatively, it can be handled by a property. Both of those seem extremely inelegant and I'm hoping for a cleaner solution. Thanks, Jon P.S. I am using Wonder. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
On 02/02/2010, at 12:03 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote: Oh, my ... That's why my first idea was to say Chunk, please take a look ;-) +1 (and for using quoted prose such as, So says Chunk :) lol Seriously, I can invest some time tonight, take a closer look from a different angle and we can discuss that. cug cool. with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
As someone who had to “fight”, often losing, battles for the use of WO in actual projects I would recommend rewriting this page by stating why WO is a great choice on its own (i.e. why it rocks as technology) regardless of which particular development environment one happens to be coming from. If comparisons with other tools (Rails, J2EE, PHP) must be made they can be presented separately and it would be good to write them in the vein of “everything you can do I can do (just as well or) better”. If there is any interest I can try to find time to put something together later this week (this weekend is probably more realistic timeframe). Regards, Haris Pobric Appwerks, LLC Visit us online at http://www.appwerks.com Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Guido Neitzer guido.neit...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, my ... That's why my first idea was to say Chunk, please take a look ;-) Seriously, I can invest some time tonight, take a closer look from a different angle and we can discuss that. cug On 1. Feb, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: It think the facts are good, but you are right: from a sales point of view it looks at it from the wrong direction. As a quick example, But it’s in Java! Yes, it’s Java, but it’s not J2EE. You don’t have to deal with EJB, J2EE containers, Struts and the like. WebObjects uses Java fo r its best features : major code libraries (JavaMail, Jakarta proj ects, etc.) and portability. Java on the Web, Done Right! Enjoy working in a clean and elegantly designed set of coherent, consistent frameworks. Delight in spending your time implementing features instead of fussing with infrastructure. You don’t have t o deal with EJB, J2EE containers, Struts and the like. There is n o need to hand edit XML and use dependancy injection to get the pi eces to co-operate. Of course, WebObjects has full access to the universe of Java libraries (JavaMail, Jakarta projects, etc.) and the portability Java developers depend on. On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote: The design is pretty nice! I like it. But you still couldn't get rid of that defensive slogan on the Why WO? page. It should say Because it rocks!. Not mention any other stuff ... This whole page is so negative. I'd say that needs some serious rewrite ... cug On 1. Feb, 2010, at 4:35 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: Hello everyone, wocommunity.org finally have a brand new look! Thanks to the efforts of one of our community member, Sophiacom (www.sophiacom.fr). Everything is much cleaner now, especially the Screencasts page. More stuff is coming soon in the Community section : personal and organization profiles, and WO projects listing. Again, thanks to Sophiacom for the new look. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/guido.neitzer%40gmail.com This email sent to guido.neit...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hpobric %40mac.com This email sent to hpob...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
On 02/02/2010, at 12:27 PM, Haris Pobric wrote: As someone who had to “fight”, often losing, battles for the use of WO in actual projects I would recommend rewriting this page by stating why WO is a great choice on its own (i.e. why it rocks as technology) regardless of which particular development environment one happens to be coming from. If comparisons with other tools (Rails, J2EE, PHP) must be made they can be presented separately and it would be good to write them in the vein of “everything you can do I can do (just as well or) better”. Really, I'd suggest if other technologies are to be mentioned they are mentioned not in that way either - but simply to allow people who've come from that background to understand a particular concept. e.g., this is similar to Rails migrations framework blah blah... with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
On 1-Feb-10, at 4:58 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Le 10-02-01 à 19:43, Guido Neitzer a écrit : The design is pretty nice! I like it. But you still couldn't get rid of that defensive slogan on the Why WO? page. It should say Because it rocks!. Not mention any other stuff ... This whole page is so negative. I'd say that needs some serious rewrite ... You are the third one who said that :-) Now that I'm on medicine and my brain is wreck, I'm more positive and I created a wiki page where people can put their ideas and comments about that page. http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOCOM/Why+WebObjects I've started tossing up some ideas. Even Chuck's ;-) There's no question that a native English speaker should take responsibility for the final edit. I'll be happy to do it if no-one has any objections. Those that are uncomfortable putting their ideas up on the wiki, or don't have an account, or whatever, please post here and we'll make sure your ideas end up on the wiki for consideration too. David cug On 1. Feb, 2010, at 4:35 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: Hello everyone, wocommunity.org finally have a brand new look! Thanks to the efforts of one of our community member, Sophiacom (www.sophiacom.fr). Everything is much cleaner now, especially the Screencasts page. More stuff is coming soon in the Community section : personal and organization profiles, and WO projects listing. Again, thanks to Sophiacom for the new look. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ guido.neitzer%40gmail.com This email sent to guido.neit...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert% 40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx %40mac.com This email sent to programming...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
Le 10-02-01 à 20:27, Haris Pobric a écrit : As someone who had to “fight”, often losing, battles for the use of WO in actual projects I would recommend rewriting this page by stating why WO is a great choice on its own (i.e. why it rocks as technology) regardless of which particular development environment one happens to be coming from. If comparisons with other tools (Rails, J2EE, PHP) must be made they can be presented separately and it would be good to write them in the vein of “everything you can do I can do (just as well or) better”. Oh yes, this is something I wanted for years... But sadly, every time someone ask for this, nobody replies. We have a comparaison of WO versus RoR made by Mike in the list a couple of months ago, and an old comparaison of .Net versus WO in the wiki. I even thinked of giving a rebate for a WOWODC ticket to anyone who can come up with a fair comparaison of WO vs others. If there is any interest I can try to find time to put something together later this week (this weekend is probably more realistic timeframe). You will make a happy guy down here if you can come up with something :-) Regards, Haris Pobric Appwerks, LLC Visit us online at http://www.appwerks.com Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Guido Neitzer guido.neit...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, my ... That's why my first idea was to say Chunk, please take a look ;-) Seriously, I can invest some time tonight, take a closer look from a different angle and we can discuss that. cug On 1. Feb, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: It think the facts are good, but you are right: from a sales point of view it looks at it from the wrong direction. As a quick example, But it’s in Java! Yes, it’s Java, but it’s not J2EE. You don’t have to deal with EJB, J2EE containers, Struts and the like. WebObjects uses Java for its best features : major code libraries (JavaMail, Jakarta projects, etc.) and portability. Java on the Web, Done Right! Enjoy working in a clean and elegantly designed set of coherent, consistent frameworks. Delight in spending your time implementing features instead of fussing with infrastructure. You don’t have to deal with EJB, J2EE containers, Struts and the like. There is no need to hand edit XML and use dependancy injection to get the pieces to co-operate. Of course, WebObjects has full access to the universe of Java libraries (JavaMail, Jakarta projects, etc.) and the portability Java developers depend on. On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote: The design is pretty nice! I like it. But you still couldn't get rid of that defensive slogan on the Why WO? page. It should say Because it rocks!. Not mention any other stuff ... This whole page is so negative. I'd say that needs some serious rewrite ... cug On 1. Feb, 2010, at 4:35 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: Hello everyone, wocommunity.org finally have a brand new look! Thanks to the efforts of one of our community member, Sophiacom (www.sophiacom.fr ). Everything is much cleaner now, especially the Screencasts page. More stuff is coming soon in the Community section : personal and organization profiles, and WO projects listing. Again, thanks to Sophiacom for the new look. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/guido.neitzer%40gmail.com This email sent to guido.neit...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hpobric%40mac.com This email sent to hpob...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:53 PM, David Holt wrote: On 1-Feb-10, at 4:58 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Le 10-02-01 à 19:43, Guido Neitzer a écrit : The design is pretty nice! I like it. But you still couldn't get rid of that defensive slogan on the Why WO? page. It should say Because it rocks!. Not mention any other stuff ... This whole page is so negative. I'd say that needs some serious rewrite ... You are the third one who said that :-) Now that I'm on medicine and my brain is wreck, I'm more positive and I created a wiki page where people can put their ideas and comments about that page. http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOCOM/Why+WebObjects I've started tossing up some ideas. Even Chuck's ;-) I hate it when I toss chunks. There's no question that a native English speaker should take responsibility for the final edit. I'll be happy to do it if no-one has any objections. Those that are uncomfortable putting their ideas up on the wiki, or don't have an account, or whatever, please post here and we'll make sure your ideas end up on the wiki for consideration too. David cug On 1. Feb, 2010, at 4:35 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: Hello everyone, wocommunity.org finally have a brand new look! Thanks to the efforts of one of our community member, Sophiacom (www.sophiacom.fr). Everything is much cleaner now, especially the Screencasts page. More stuff is coming soon in the Community section : personal and organization profiles, and WO projects listing. Again, thanks to Sophiacom for the new look. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/guido.neitzer%40gmail.com This email sent to guido.neit...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.com This email sent to programming...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
BTW, Gordon Belray (a fellow Canuck) submitted a cool idea for the front page : http://www.fineart.utoronto.ca/wo/ The gears would be links to internal and external pages, so it would be a startup page for everyone. I'm also looking at adding a search box on the Web site, that search box will search an index of the content from the site, the wiki, Apple's documentation (PDFs and JavaDocs), all open source projects (Wonders, Houdah, LEWOStuff), etc. I'm a bit tired of Google who puts WO 3.5 docs on top of WO 5.4 when I do a search, so the search index on wocommunity.org would only index current documentation. Does anyone knows a good index bot in Java (last time I used a bot, it was good old ht://dig)? I'm playing with Lucence Nutch but if somebody have a better alternative, I'm all ears. Hello everyone, wocommunity.org finally have a brand new look! Thanks to the efforts of one of our community member, Sophiacom (www.sophiacom.fr). Everything is much cleaner now, especially the Screencasts page. More stuff is coming soon in the Community section : personal and organization profiles, and WO projects listing. Again, thanks to Sophiacom for the new look. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Profiles on wocommunity.org
Before I'm putting the final touches on the organization and member profiles on wocommunity.org, I would like to know what people would like to put in those profiles. So I added two pages in the wiki that describes what those profiles currently have : http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOCOM/Member+profile http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOCOM/Organization+profile Also coming up is a Projects listing, where you can add a description of open source or free frameworks/code that sits on top of WO. You can add any number of links to the project, for example you can put links to a wiki page, to a Subversion repo, etc. This is done to bring back a bit of what WOCode was. Sample : Books This project was created to hold the code sample from the Professionnal WebObjects 5.0 with Java, Visual Quick Pro WebObjects and WebObjects Developer Guide books. The code sample were updated to WOLips projects and to WebObjects 5.3 and 5.4. Project participants : Pascal Robert Subversion repository : https://services.wocommunity.org/books/ Link name : http://yourproject.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
SIF and WO
Has anyone used SIF, http://www.sifinfo.org, in a WebObjects project? Thanks, Steve ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: SIF and WO
On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Steve Peery wrote: Has anyone used SIF, http://www.sifinfo.org, in a WebObjects project? No, but I have worked with this http://www.acord.org/Pages/ default.aspx which seems at least superficially similar. The Design by Committee aspect can yield a schema that is, er, hard to penetrate. I made some scripts and XSLT to transform the XML into an EOModel. It did not clarify anything, but then you are working with EOF and not XML. Was that the sort of thing you wanted to know? Chuck -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: SIF and WO
I am looking into linking an existing WO Application into a SIF Zone Integration Server. If someone has been down that path, they could make my life easier. If not, I will probably start asking some more specific questions in the near future. Steve On Feb 1, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Steve Peery wrote: Has anyone used SIF, http://www.sifinfo.org, in a WebObjects project? No, but I have worked with this http://www.acord.org/Pages/default.aspx which seems at least superficially similar. The Design by Committee aspect can yield a schema that is, er, hard to penetrate. I made some scripts and XSLT to transform the XML into an EOModel. It did not clarify anything, but then you are working with EOF and not XML. Was that the sort of thing you wanted to know? Chuck -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/speery%40me.com This email sent to spe...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: ServerName outside RR loop?
If you can't get it from the request headers, then storing it or using a property are the only options. Chuck On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Jon Nolan wrote: Is it possible to get at the server name without a request/context? It doesn't seem likely but I thought it worth asking. Right now I'm storing it at the application level when the first request is made. Alternatively, it can be handled by a property. Both of those seem extremely inelegant and I'm hoping for a cleaner solution. Thanks, Jon P.S. I am using Wonder. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Haris Pobric wrote: As someone who had to “fight”, often losing, battles for the use of WO in actual projects I would recommend rewriting this page by stating why WO is a great choice on its own (i.e. why it rocks as technology) regardless of which particular development environment one happens to be coming from. If comparisons with other tools (Rails, J2EE, PHP) must be made they can be presented separately and it would be good to write them in the vein of “everything you can do I can do (just as well or) better”. If there is any interest I can try to find time to put something together later this week (this weekend is probably more realistic timeframe). Please do! Chuck Regards, Haris Pobric Appwerks, LLC Visit us online at http://www.appwerks.com Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Guido Neitzer guido.neit...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, my ... That's why my first idea was to say Chunk, please take a look ;-) Seriously, I can invest some time tonight, take a closer look from a different angle and we can discuss that. cug On 1. Feb, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: It think the facts are good, but you are right: from a sales point of view it looks at it from the wrong direction. As a quick example, But it’s in Java! Yes, it’s Java, but it’s not J2EE. You don’t have to deal with EJB, J2EE containers, Struts and the like. WebObjects uses Java for its best features : major code libraries (JavaMail, Jakarta projects, etc.) and portability. Java on the Web, Done Right! Enjoy working in a clean and elegantly designed set of coherent, consistent frameworks. Delight in spending your time implementing features instead of fussing with infrastructure. You don’t have to deal with EJB, J2EE containers, Struts and the like. There is no need to hand edit XML and use dependancy injection to get the pieces to co-operate. Of course, WebObjects has full access to the universe of Java libraries (JavaMail, Jakarta projects, etc.) and the portability Java developers depend on. On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote: The design is pretty nice! I like it. But you still couldn't get rid of that defensive slogan on the Why WO? page. It should say Because it rocks!. Not mention any other stuff ... This whole page is so negative. I'd say that needs some serious rewrite ... cug On 1. Feb, 2010, at 4:35 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: Hello everyone, wocommunity.org finally have a brand new look! Thanks to the efforts of one of our community member, Sophiacom (www.sophiacom.fr ). Everything is much cleaner now, especially the Screencasts page. More stuff is coming soon in the Community section : personal and organization profiles, and WO projects listing. Again, thanks to Sophiacom for the new look. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/guido.neitzer%40gmail.com This email sent to guido.neit...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hpobric%40mac.com This email sent to hpob...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update
Re: New look for wocommunity.org
Does anyone knows a good index bot in Java (last time I used a bot, it was good old ht://dig)? I'm playing with Lucence Nutch but if somebody have a better alternative, I'm all ears. just use google site search ... i think it might be free if you allow ads? ms ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Profiles on wocommunity.org
On Feb 1, 2010, at 6:27 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: Before I'm putting the final touches on the organization and member profiles on wocommunity.org, I would like to know what people would like to put in those profiles. So I added two pages in the wiki that describes what those profiles currently have : http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOCOM/Member+profile http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOCOM/Organization+profile What is Presentation referring to? Also coming up is a Projects listing, where you can add a description of open source or free frameworks/code that sits on top of WO. You can add any number of links to the project, for example you can put links to a wiki page, to a Subversion repo, etc. This is done to bring back a bit of what WOCode was. Sample : Books This project was created to hold the code sample from the Professionnal WebObjects 5.0 with Java, Visual Quick Pro WebObjects and WebObjects Developer Guide books. The code sample were updated to WOLips projects and to WebObjects 5.3 and 5.4. Project participants : Pascal Robert • Subversion repository : https://services.wocommunity.org/books/ • Link name : http://yourproject.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
