Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[D Tim Cummings]

When I was first trying out eclipse, I was on a multi user machine with eclipse 
in /Applications.  I couldn't work out why sometimes a user could install 
plugins and sometimes a user couldn't.  As a Mac user I never expected it to be 
important which user had installed the original application in /Applications.   
 I thought eclipse was just flakey and so I stayed with XCode which didn't have 
these problems.  

Later I worked out the problem, installed eclipse in ~/Applications  and 
haven't had a problem since.

Tim

On 08/10/2010, at 12:53 AM, John Huss wrote:

> I have put eclipse into /Applications forever and I've never had a single 
> problem with permissions.  I think that is a non-issue.
> 
> John
> 
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran Kelleher  wrote:
> David,
> 
> I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)
> 
> In summary 2 good reasons for installing in ~/Applications, considering that 
> novice/intermediate users are the ones we are trying to make life easy 
> for.
> 
> 1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep writeable in user dir. Prevent permission 
> issues that 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.
> 
> 2) Painless migrations to new machines
> 
> -Kieran
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
> > I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. Why 
> > would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and 
> > running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure 
> > ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
> >
> > If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can move 
> > it.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
> >
> >> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
> >>
> >> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
> >> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
> >>
> >> -j
> >>
> >> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> >>
>  I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and 
>  forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my 
>  home directory instead.
> 
>  If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home 
>  directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
> >>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
> >>>
> >>> ms
> >>
> >
> 
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Re: ERMBatchSizeControl problem with embedded listings

[David Holt]

On 2010-10-07, at 12:54 PM, David LeBer wrote:

> 
> On 2010-10-07, at 3:53 PM, David Holt wrote:
> 
>> I actually think that this is what it should be doing:
> 
> Yeah, it should.
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Any objection to me submitting a patch?
> 
> Nope.

http://issues.objectstyle.org/jira/browse/WONDER-606


> 
>> 
>> d
>> 
>> On 2010-10-07, at 12:47 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
>> 
>>> It's pluralizing just fine for me. Maybe it's the Canadian localized 
>>> pluralization?
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:39 PM, David Holt wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 ERMBatchSizeControl doesn't seem to be pluralizing "item" either. This is 
 why I was trying to get ERModernMoviesDemo to run to see if it is just my 
 project, or if there is something else going on.
 
 
 
 Are you seeing "items" or "item"?
 
 David
 
 
 On 2010-10-07, at 4:15 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
 
> Hi D2Wers,
> 
> When I try to change the number of results in an embedded listing I get  
> "Attempt to insert null object into an  
> com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary." (full stack trace below).  I've 
> checked several places where I'm displaying toMany relationships and it 
> throws the error in all of them. If it is not embedded, just a listing of 
> objects that match a query then it works as expected.
> 
> It appears that the ERMBatchSizeControl returns null for d2wContext() 
> when it's tied to an embedded listing.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> Oct 07 06:47:09 TotalViewAdminD2W[9191] (TVWApplication.java:283) ERROR 
> er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication  - Uncaught exception: Attempt to 
> insert null object into an  com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary.
> Extra info: {
>   "D2W-SubTask" = "null";
>   "D2W-PageConfiguration" = "ListEmbeddedCCCommunicationIdentity";
>   "CurrentComponent" = 
> "er.modern.directtoweb.components.ERMDBatchSizeControl";
>   "PreviousPageList" = (
>   "QuerySamsStudent",
>   "ListSamsStudent",
>   "InspectSamsStudent"
>   );
>   "D2W-PropertyKey" = "null";
>   "D2W-DisplayPropertyKeys" = (
>   "communication.communicationDate",
>   "role.displayName",
>   "identity.firstname",
>   "identity.lastname",
>   "communication.subject"
>   );
>   "CurrentPage" = "er.modern.look.pages.ERMODTabInspectPage";
>   "Current Account" = "10193338";
>   "URL" = 
> "/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TotalViewAdminD2W.woa/ajax/hV8rQV1q1R2BMjuPYav2xw/5.0.3.5.1.2.3.0.1.0.0.3.3.0.1.3.1263925117.0.1.3.0.1.0.1.3.0.1.3.1.2.0.0.0.0.1.2.3.1.0.3.3.1.1.9.1.0.1.1.0.9";
>   "CurrentComponentHierarchy" = (
>   "er.modern.look.pages.ERMODTabInspectPage",
>   
> "er.modern.directtoweb.components.repetitions.ERMDInspectPageRepetition",
>   "er.directtoweb.components.relationships.ERDList",
>   "er.directtoweb.embed.ERXD2WList",
>   "er.directtoweb.components.ERD2WSwitchComponent",
>   "er.modern.look.pages.ERMODListPage",
>   "er.modern.directtoweb.components.ERMDBatchSizeControl"
>   );
>   "D2W-EntityName" = "CCCommunicationIdentity";
>   "D2W-ComponentName" = "ERD2WDisplayString";
>   "Headers" = {
>   "user-agent" = "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 
> 10_6_4; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 
> Safari/533.18.5";
>   "cookie" = "__utmc=188508456; 
> __utma=188508456.1010180370.1286383408.1286383408.1286383408.1; 
> __utmz=188508456.1286383408.1.1.utmcsr=(direct)|utmccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none)";
>   "origin" = "http://10.0.1.8:9191";;
>   "accept" = "text/javascript, text/html, application/xml, 
> text/xml, */*";
>   "referer" = 
> "http://10.0.1.8:9191/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TotalViewAdminD2W.woa/wo/hV8rQV1q1R2BMjuPYav2xw/3.0.3.5.1.2.3.0.1.0";;
>   "content-type" = "application/x-www-form-urlencoded; 
> charset=UTF-8";
>   "accept-encoding" = "gzip, deflate";
>   "content-length" = "27";
>   "x-prototype-version" = "1.6.1";
>   "original_context_id" = "5";
>   "x-requested-with" = "XMLHttpRequest";
>   "host" = "10.0.1.8:9191";
>   "accept-language" = "en-us";
>   "connection" = "keep-alive";
>   };
>   "Current User" = "Reed Ckeade";
> }
> 
> IllegalArgumentException: Attempt to insert null object into an  
> com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary.
>  at com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary.(NSDictionary.java:170)
>  at 
> er.modern.directtoweb.components.ERMDBatchSizeControl.setNumberOfObjectsPerBatch(ERMDBatchSizeControl.java:177)
> ... skipped 21 stack elements
>  at 
> ognl.helperfunc

Re: ERMBatchSizeControl problem with embedded listings

[David LeBer]

On 2010-10-07, at 3:53 PM, David Holt wrote:

> I actually think that this is what it should be doing:

Yeah, it should.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Any objection to me submitting a patch?

Nope.

> 
> d
> 
> On 2010-10-07, at 12:47 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
>> It's pluralizing just fine for me. Maybe it's the Canadian localized 
>> pluralization?
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:39 PM, David Holt wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> ERMBatchSizeControl doesn't seem to be pluralizing "item" either. This is 
>>> why I was trying to get ERModernMoviesDemo to run to see if it is just my 
>>> project, or if there is something else going on.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Are you seeing "items" or "item"?
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2010-10-07, at 4:15 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>>> 
 Hi D2Wers,
 
 When I try to change the number of results in an embedded listing I get  
 "Attempt to insert null object into an  
 com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary." (full stack trace below).  I've 
 checked several places where I'm displaying toMany relationships and it 
 throws the error in all of them. If it is not embedded, just a listing of 
 objects that match a query then it works as expected.
 
 It appears that the ERMBatchSizeControl returns null for d2wContext() when 
 it's tied to an embedded listing.
 
 Dave
 
 
 Oct 07 06:47:09 TotalViewAdminD2W[9191] (TVWApplication.java:283) ERROR 
 er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication  - Uncaught exception: Attempt to 
 insert null object into an  com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary.
 Extra info: {
"D2W-SubTask" = "null";
"D2W-PageConfiguration" = "ListEmbeddedCCCommunicationIdentity";
"CurrentComponent" = 
 "er.modern.directtoweb.components.ERMDBatchSizeControl";
"PreviousPageList" = (
"QuerySamsStudent",
"ListSamsStudent",
"InspectSamsStudent"
);
"D2W-PropertyKey" = "null";
"D2W-DisplayPropertyKeys" = (
"communication.communicationDate",
"role.displayName",
"identity.firstname",
"identity.lastname",
"communication.subject"
);
"CurrentPage" = "er.modern.look.pages.ERMODTabInspectPage";
"Current Account" = "10193338";
"URL" = 
 "/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TotalViewAdminD2W.woa/ajax/hV8rQV1q1R2BMjuPYav2xw/5.0.3.5.1.2.3.0.1.0.0.3.3.0.1.3.1263925117.0.1.3.0.1.0.1.3.0.1.3.1.2.0.0.0.0.1.2.3.1.0.3.3.1.1.9.1.0.1.1.0.9";
"CurrentComponentHierarchy" = (
"er.modern.look.pages.ERMODTabInspectPage",

 "er.modern.directtoweb.components.repetitions.ERMDInspectPageRepetition",
"er.directtoweb.components.relationships.ERDList",
"er.directtoweb.embed.ERXD2WList",
"er.directtoweb.components.ERD2WSwitchComponent",
"er.modern.look.pages.ERMODListPage",
"er.modern.directtoweb.components.ERMDBatchSizeControl"
);
"D2W-EntityName" = "CCCommunicationIdentity";
"D2W-ComponentName" = "ERD2WDisplayString";
"Headers" = {
"user-agent" = "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 
 10_6_4; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 
 Safari/533.18.5";
"cookie" = "__utmc=188508456; 
 __utma=188508456.1010180370.1286383408.1286383408.1286383408.1; 
 __utmz=188508456.1286383408.1.1.utmcsr=(direct)|utmccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none)";
"origin" = "http://10.0.1.8:9191";;
"accept" = "text/javascript, text/html, application/xml, 
 text/xml, */*";
"referer" = 
 "http://10.0.1.8:9191/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TotalViewAdminD2W.woa/wo/hV8rQV1q1R2BMjuPYav2xw/3.0.3.5.1.2.3.0.1.0";;
"content-type" = "application/x-www-form-urlencoded; 
 charset=UTF-8";
"accept-encoding" = "gzip, deflate";
"content-length" = "27";
"x-prototype-version" = "1.6.1";
"original_context_id" = "5";
"x-requested-with" = "XMLHttpRequest";
"host" = "10.0.1.8:9191";
"accept-language" = "en-us";
"connection" = "keep-alive";
};
"Current User" = "Reed Ckeade";
 }
 
 IllegalArgumentException: Attempt to insert null object into an  
 com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary.
   at com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary.(NSDictionary.java:170)
   at 
 er.modern.directtoweb.components.ERMDBatchSizeControl.setNumberOfObjectsPerBatch(ERMDBatchSizeControl.java:177)
  ... skipped 21 stack elements
   at 
 ognl.helperfunction.WOHelperFunctionKeyValueAssociation.setValue(WOHelperFunctionKeyValueAssociation.java:21)
   at er.ajax.AjaxInPlaceEditor.handleRequest(AjaxInPlaceEditor.java:168)
  ... skipped

Re: ERMBatchSizeControl problem with embedded listings

[David Holt]

I actually think that this is what it should be doing:Any objection to me submitting a patch?dOn 2010-10-07, at 12:47 PM, David Avendasora wrote:It's pluralizing just fine for me. Maybe it's the Canadian localized pluralization?DaveOn Oct 7, 2010, at 3:39 PM, David Holt wrote:Hi all,ERMBatchSizeControl doesn't seem to be pluralizing "item" either. This is why I was trying to get ERModernMoviesDemo to run to see if it is just my project, or if there is something else going on.Are you seeing "items" or "item"?DavidOn 2010-10-07, at 4:15 AM, David Avendasora wrote:Hi D2Wers,When I try to change the number of results in an embedded listing I get  "Attempt to insert null object into an  com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary." (full stack trace below).  I've checked several places where I'm displaying toMany relationships and it throws the error in all of them. If it is not embedded, just a listing of objects that match a query then it works as expected.It appears that the ERMBatchSizeControl returns null for d2wContext() when it's tied to an embedded listing.DaveOct 07 06:47:09 TotalViewAdminD2W[9191] (TVWApplication.java:283) ERROR er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication  - Uncaught exception: Attempt to insert null object into an  com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary.Extra info: {	"D2W-SubTask" = "null";	"D2W-PageConfiguration" = "ListEmbeddedCCCommunicationIdentity";	"CurrentComponent" = "er.modern.directtoweb.components.ERMDBatchSizeControl";	"PreviousPageList" = (		"QuerySamsStudent",		"ListSamsStudent",		"InspectSamsStudent"	);	"D2W-PropertyKey" = "null";	"D2W-DisplayPropertyKeys" = (		"communication.communicationDate",		"role.displayName",		"identity.firstname",		"identity.lastname",		"communication.subject"	);	"CurrentPage" = "er.modern.look.pages.ERMODTabInspectPage";	"Current Account" = "10193338";	"URL" = "/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TotalViewAdminD2W.woa/ajax/hV8rQV1q1R2BMjuPYav2xw/5.0.3.5.1.2.3.0.1.0.0.3.3.0.1.3.1263925117.0.1.3.0.1.0.1.3.0.1.3.1.2.0.0.0.0.1.2.3.1.0.3.3.1.1.9.1.0.1.1.0.9";	"CurrentComponentHierarchy" = (		"er.modern.look.pages.ERMODTabInspectPage",		"er.modern.directtoweb.components.repetitions.ERMDInspectPageRepetition",		"er.directtoweb.components.relationships.ERDList",		"er.directtoweb.embed.ERXD2WList",		"er.directtoweb.components.ERD2WSwitchComponent",		"er.modern.look.pages.ERMODListPage",		"er.modern.directtoweb.components.ERMDBatchSizeControl"	);	"D2W-EntityName" = "CCCommunicationIdentity";	"D2W-ComponentName" = "ERD2WDisplayString";	"Headers" = {		"user-agent" = "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_6_4; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Safari/533.18.5";		"cookie" = "__utmc=188508456; __utma=188508456.1010180370.1286383408.1286383408.1286383408.1; __utmz=188508456.1286383408.1.1.utmcsr=(direct)|utmccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none)";		"origin" = "http://10.0.1.8:9191";		"accept" = "text/_javascript_, text/html, application/xml, text/xml, */*";		"referer" = "http://10.0.1.8:9191/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TotalViewAdminD2W.woa/wo/hV8rQV1q1R2BMjuPYav2xw/3.0.3.5.1.2.3.0.1.0";		"content-type" = "application/x-www-form-urlencoded; charset=UTF-8";		"accept-encoding" = "gzip, deflate";		"content-length" = "27";		"x-prototype-version" = "1.6.1";		"original_context_id" = "5";		"x-requested-with" = "XMLHttpRequest";		"host" = "10.0.1.8:9191";		"accept-language" = "en-us";		"connection" = "keep-alive";	};	"Current User" = "Reed Ckeade";}IllegalArgumentException: Attempt to insert null object into an  com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary.  at com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary.(NSDictionary.java:170)  at er.modern.directtoweb.components.ERMDBatchSizeControl.setNumberOfObjectsPerBatch(ERMDBatchSizeControl.java:177)     ... skipped 21 stack elements  at ognl.helperfunction.WOHelperFunctionKeyValueAssociation.setValue(WOHelperFunctionKeyValueAssociation.java:21)  at er.ajax.AjaxInPlaceEditor.handleRequest(AjaxInPlaceEditor.java:168)     ... skipped 232 stack elements  at er.ajax.AjaxRequestHandler.handleRequest(AjaxRequestHandler.java:17)     ... skipped 1 stack elements  at er.extensions.appserver.ajax.ERXAjaxApplication.dispatchRequest(ERXAjaxApplication.java:50001)     ... skipped 1 stack elements  at com.k12.totalview.app.TVWApplication.dispatchRequestImmediately(TVWApplication.java:50001)  at com.k12.totalview.app.Application.dispatchRequestImmediately(Application.java:50001)     ... skipped 1 stack elements  at com.k12.totalview.app.TVWApplication.dispatchRequest(TVWApplication.java:213)  at com.k12.totalview.app.Application.dispatchRequest(Application.java:42)  ... skipped 3 stack elements ___Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.Webobjects-dev mailing list  (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com)Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.comThis email sent to programming...@mac.com 

Re: ERMBatchSizeControl problem with embedded listings

[David Avendasora]

It's pluralizing just fine for me. Maybe it's the Canadian localized 
pluralization?

Dave

On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:39 PM, David Holt wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> ERMBatchSizeControl doesn't seem to be pluralizing "item" either. This is why 
> I was trying to get ERModernMoviesDemo to run to see if it is just my 
> project, or if there is something else going on.
> 
> 
> 
> Are you seeing "items" or "item"?
> 
> David
> 
> 
> On 2010-10-07, at 4:15 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
>> Hi D2Wers,
>> 
>> When I try to change the number of results in an embedded listing I get  
>> "Attempt to insert null object into an  
>> com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary." (full stack trace below).  I've 
>> checked several places where I'm displaying toMany relationships and it 
>> throws the error in all of them. If it is not embedded, just a listing of 
>> objects that match a query then it works as expected.
>> 
>> It appears that the ERMBatchSizeControl returns null for d2wContext() when 
>> it's tied to an embedded listing.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> Oct 07 06:47:09 TotalViewAdminD2W[9191] (TVWApplication.java:283) ERROR 
>> er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication  - Uncaught exception: Attempt to 
>> insert null object into an  com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary.
>> Extra info: {
>>  "D2W-SubTask" = "null";
>>  "D2W-PageConfiguration" = "ListEmbeddedCCCommunicationIdentity";
>>  "CurrentComponent" = 
>> "er.modern.directtoweb.components.ERMDBatchSizeControl";
>>  "PreviousPageList" = (
>>  "QuerySamsStudent",
>>  "ListSamsStudent",
>>  "InspectSamsStudent"
>>  );
>>  "D2W-PropertyKey" = "null";
>>  "D2W-DisplayPropertyKeys" = (
>>  "communication.communicationDate",
>>  "role.displayName",
>>  "identity.firstname",
>>  "identity.lastname",
>>  "communication.subject"
>>  );
>>  "CurrentPage" = "er.modern.look.pages.ERMODTabInspectPage";
>>  "Current Account" = "10193338";
>>  "URL" = 
>> "/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TotalViewAdminD2W.woa/ajax/hV8rQV1q1R2BMjuPYav2xw/5.0.3.5.1.2.3.0.1.0.0.3.3.0.1.3.1263925117.0.1.3.0.1.0.1.3.0.1.3.1.2.0.0.0.0.1.2.3.1.0.3.3.1.1.9.1.0.1.1.0.9";
>>  "CurrentComponentHierarchy" = (
>>  "er.modern.look.pages.ERMODTabInspectPage",
>>  
>> "er.modern.directtoweb.components.repetitions.ERMDInspectPageRepetition",
>>  "er.directtoweb.components.relationships.ERDList",
>>  "er.directtoweb.embed.ERXD2WList",
>>  "er.directtoweb.components.ERD2WSwitchComponent",
>>  "er.modern.look.pages.ERMODListPage",
>>  "er.modern.directtoweb.components.ERMDBatchSizeControl"
>>  );
>>  "D2W-EntityName" = "CCCommunicationIdentity";
>>  "D2W-ComponentName" = "ERD2WDisplayString";
>>  "Headers" = {
>>  "user-agent" = "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 
>> 10_6_4; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 
>> Safari/533.18.5";
>>  "cookie" = "__utmc=188508456; 
>> __utma=188508456.1010180370.1286383408.1286383408.1286383408.1; 
>> __utmz=188508456.1286383408.1.1.utmcsr=(direct)|utmccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none)";
>>  "origin" = "http://10.0.1.8:9191";;
>>  "accept" = "text/javascript, text/html, application/xml, 
>> text/xml, */*";
>>  "referer" = 
>> "http://10.0.1.8:9191/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TotalViewAdminD2W.woa/wo/hV8rQV1q1R2BMjuPYav2xw/3.0.3.5.1.2.3.0.1.0";;
>>  "content-type" = "application/x-www-form-urlencoded; 
>> charset=UTF-8";
>>  "accept-encoding" = "gzip, deflate";
>>  "content-length" = "27";
>>  "x-prototype-version" = "1.6.1";
>>  "original_context_id" = "5";
>>  "x-requested-with" = "XMLHttpRequest";
>>  "host" = "10.0.1.8:9191";
>>  "accept-language" = "en-us";
>>  "connection" = "keep-alive";
>>  };
>>  "Current User" = "Reed Ckeade";
>> }
>> 
>> IllegalArgumentException: Attempt to insert null object into an  
>> com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary.
>>   at com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary.(NSDictionary.java:170)
>>   at 
>> er.modern.directtoweb.components.ERMDBatchSizeControl.setNumberOfObjectsPerBatch(ERMDBatchSizeControl.java:177)
>>  ... skipped 21 stack elements
>>   at 
>> ognl.helperfunction.WOHelperFunctionKeyValueAssociation.setValue(WOHelperFunctionKeyValueAssociation.java:21)
>>   at er.ajax.AjaxInPlaceEditor.handleRequest(AjaxInPlaceEditor.java:168)
>>  ... skipped 232 stack elements
>>   at er.ajax.AjaxRequestHandler.handleRequest(AjaxRequestHandler.java:17)
>>  ... skipped 1 stack elements
>>   at 
>> er.extensions.appserver.ajax.ERXAjaxApplication.dispatchRequest(ERXAjaxApplication.java:50001)
>>  ... skipped 1 stack elements
>>   at 
>> com.k12.totalview.app.TVWApplication.dispatchRequestImmediately(TVWApplication.java:50001)
>>   at

Re: ERExcelLook returning Garbage

[David Avendasora]

Oo! First productive work with the new display? 

On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:37 PM, David LeBer wrote:

> 
> On 2010-10-07, at 3:33 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
>> I just added David's rule to the Excel Look rule file and it works exactly 
>> as expected. Ramsey, can you go ahead and add it and commit?
> 
> I've got it queued up to commit.
> 
> Should I hold off?
> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:27 PM, David Holt wrote:
>> 
>>> Maybe because the look framework came before Click-to-open?
>>> 
>>> d
>>> 
>>> On 2010-10-07, at 12:25 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote:
>>> 
 Is there some reason that is not in the rule file for the excel look 
 framework?
 
 Ramsey
 
 On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:22 PM, David Holt wrote:
 
> You've got click to open enabled.
> 
> You need to disable it, or use a rule such as:
> 
> 10 : pageConfiguration like '*Excel*' => clickToOpenEnabled = "false" 
> [com.webobjects.directtoweb.BooleanAssignment]
> 
> David
> 
> On 2010-10-07, at 12:19 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
>> I just added the ability to list page to an Excel file by adding 
>> ERExcelLook to my ERModernD2W app, but the spreadsheet that is almost 
>> entirely full of garbage. Below is a screen shot. I'm pretty sure it's 
>> getting the right datasource as you can read at least a few of the 
>> column names.
>> 
>> Any pointers as to where to start looking?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
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Re: ERMBatchSizeControl problem with embedded listings

[David Holt]

Forget it, I see what is happening. Item is tied to the number of items in the 
list, not to the number in the box to the left. Nothing to see here, move 
along. :-)

David


On 2010-10-07, at 12:39 PM, David Holt wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> ERMBatchSizeControl doesn't seem to be pluralizing "item" either. This is why 
> I was trying to get ERModernMoviesDemo to run to see if it is just my 
> project, or if there is something else going on.
> 
> 
> 
> Are you seeing "items" or "item"?
> 
> David
> 
> 
> On 2010-10-07, at 4:15 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
>> Hi D2Wers,
>> 
>> When I try to change the number of results in an embedded listing I get  
>> "Attempt to insert null object into an  
>> com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary." (full stack trace below).  I've 
>> checked several places where I'm displaying toMany relationships and it 
>> throws the error in all of them. If it is not embedded, just a listing of 
>> objects that match a query then it works as expected.
>> 
>> It appears that the ERMBatchSizeControl returns null for d2wContext() when 
>> it's tied to an embedded listing.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> Oct 07 06:47:09 TotalViewAdminD2W[9191] (TVWApplication.java:283) ERROR 
>> er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication  - Uncaught exception: Attempt to 
>> insert null object into an  com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary.
>> Extra info: {
>>  "D2W-SubTask" = "null";
>>  "D2W-PageConfiguration" = "ListEmbeddedCCCommunicationIdentity";
>>  "CurrentComponent" = 
>> "er.modern.directtoweb.components.ERMDBatchSizeControl";
>>  "PreviousPageList" = (
>>  "QuerySamsStudent",
>>  "ListSamsStudent",
>>  "InspectSamsStudent"
>>  );
>>  "D2W-PropertyKey" = "null";
>>  "D2W-DisplayPropertyKeys" = (
>>  "communication.communicationDate",
>>  "role.displayName",
>>  "identity.firstname",
>>  "identity.lastname",
>>  "communication.subject"
>>  );
>>  "CurrentPage" = "er.modern.look.pages.ERMODTabInspectPage";
>>  "Current Account" = "10193338";
>>  "URL" = 
>> "/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TotalViewAdminD2W.woa/ajax/hV8rQV1q1R2BMjuPYav2xw/5.0.3.5.1.2.3.0.1.0.0.3.3.0.1.3.1263925117.0.1.3.0.1.0.1.3.0.1.3.1.2.0.0.0.0.1.2.3.1.0.3.3.1.1.9.1.0.1.1.0.9";
>>  "CurrentComponentHierarchy" = (
>>  "er.modern.look.pages.ERMODTabInspectPage",
>>  
>> "er.modern.directtoweb.components.repetitions.ERMDInspectPageRepetition",
>>  "er.directtoweb.components.relationships.ERDList",
>>  "er.directtoweb.embed.ERXD2WList",
>>  "er.directtoweb.components.ERD2WSwitchComponent",
>>  "er.modern.look.pages.ERMODListPage",
>>  "er.modern.directtoweb.components.ERMDBatchSizeControl"
>>  );
>>  "D2W-EntityName" = "CCCommunicationIdentity";
>>  "D2W-ComponentName" = "ERD2WDisplayString";
>>  "Headers" = {
>>  "user-agent" = "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 
>> 10_6_4; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 
>> Safari/533.18.5";
>>  "cookie" = "__utmc=188508456; 
>> __utma=188508456.1010180370.1286383408.1286383408.1286383408.1; 
>> __utmz=188508456.1286383408.1.1.utmcsr=(direct)|utmccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none)";
>>  "origin" = "http://10.0.1.8:9191";;
>>  "accept" = "text/javascript, text/html, application/xml, 
>> text/xml, */*";
>>  "referer" = 
>> "http://10.0.1.8:9191/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TotalViewAdminD2W.woa/wo/hV8rQV1q1R2BMjuPYav2xw/3.0.3.5.1.2.3.0.1.0";;
>>  "content-type" = "application/x-www-form-urlencoded; 
>> charset=UTF-8";
>>  "accept-encoding" = "gzip, deflate";
>>  "content-length" = "27";
>>  "x-prototype-version" = "1.6.1";
>>  "original_context_id" = "5";
>>  "x-requested-with" = "XMLHttpRequest";
>>  "host" = "10.0.1.8:9191";
>>  "accept-language" = "en-us";
>>  "connection" = "keep-alive";
>>  };
>>  "Current User" = "Reed Ckeade";
>> }
>> 
>> IllegalArgumentException: Attempt to insert null object into an  
>> com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary.
>>   at com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary.(NSDictionary.java:170)
>>   at 
>> er.modern.directtoweb.components.ERMDBatchSizeControl.setNumberOfObjectsPerBatch(ERMDBatchSizeControl.java:177)
>>  ... skipped 21 stack elements
>>   at 
>> ognl.helperfunction.WOHelperFunctionKeyValueAssociation.setValue(WOHelperFunctionKeyValueAssociation.java:21)
>>   at er.ajax.AjaxInPlaceEditor.handleRequest(AjaxInPlaceEditor.java:168)
>>  ... skipped 232 stack elements
>>   at er.ajax.AjaxRequestHandler.handleRequest(AjaxRequestHandler.java:17)
>>  ... skipped 1 stack elements
>>   at 
>> er.extensions.appserver.ajax.ERXAjaxApplication.dispatchRequest(ERXAjaxApplication.java:50001)
>>  ... skipped 1 stack elements
>>   at 
>> com.k12.totalvi

Re: ERExcelLook returning Garbage

[Ramsey Gurley]

Go ahead D.

Non Dave

On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:37 PM, David LeBer wrote:



On 2010-10-07, at 3:33 PM, David Avendasora wrote:

I just added David's rule to the Excel Look rule file and it works  
exactly as expected. Ramsey, can you go ahead and add it and commit?


I've got it queued up to commit.

Should I hold off?



Thanks!

Dave

On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:27 PM, David Holt wrote:


Maybe because the look framework came before Click-to-open?

d

On 2010-10-07, at 12:25 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote:

Is there some reason that is not in the rule file for the excel  
look framework?


Ramsey

On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:22 PM, David Holt wrote:


You've got click to open enabled.

You need to disable it, or use a rule such as:

10 : pageConfiguration like '*Excel*' => clickToOpenEnabled =  
"false" [com.webobjects.directtoweb.BooleanAssignment]


David

On 2010-10-07, at 12:19 PM, David Avendasora wrote:

I just added the ability to list page to an Excel file by  
adding ERExcelLook to my ERModernD2W app, but the spreadsheet  
that is almost entirely full of garbage. Below is a screen  
shot. I'm pretty sure it's getting the right datasource as you  
can read at least a few of the column names.


Any pointers as to where to start looking?

Thanks,

Dave

  
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Re: ERMBatchSizeControl problem with embedded listings

[David Holt]

Hi all,ERMBatchSizeControl doesn't seem to be pluralizing "item" either. This is why I was trying to get ERModernMoviesDemo to run to see if it is just my project, or if there is something else going on.Are you seeing "items" or "item"?DavidOn 2010-10-07, at 4:15 AM, David Avendasora wrote:Hi D2Wers,When I try to change the number of results in an embedded listing I get  "Attempt to insert null object into an  com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary." (full stack trace below).  I've checked several places where I'm displaying toMany relationships and it throws the error in all of them. If it is not embedded, just a listing of objects that match a query then it works as expected.It appears that the ERMBatchSizeControl returns null for d2wContext() when it's tied to an embedded listing.DaveOct 07 06:47:09 TotalViewAdminD2W[9191] (TVWApplication.java:283) ERROR er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication  - Uncaught exception: Attempt to insert null object into an  com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary.Extra info: {	"D2W-SubTask" = "null";	"D2W-PageConfiguration" = "ListEmbeddedCCCommunicationIdentity";	"CurrentComponent" = "er.modern.directtoweb.components.ERMDBatchSizeControl";	"PreviousPageList" = (		"QuerySamsStudent",		"ListSamsStudent",		"InspectSamsStudent"	);	"D2W-PropertyKey" = "null";	"D2W-DisplayPropertyKeys" = (		"communication.communicationDate",		"role.displayName",		"identity.firstname",		"identity.lastname",		"communication.subject"	);	"CurrentPage" = "er.modern.look.pages.ERMODTabInspectPage";	"Current Account" = "10193338";	"URL" = "/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TotalViewAdminD2W.woa/ajax/hV8rQV1q1R2BMjuPYav2xw/5.0.3.5.1.2.3.0.1.0.0.3.3.0.1.3.1263925117.0.1.3.0.1.0.1.3.0.1.3.1.2.0.0.0.0.1.2.3.1.0.3.3.1.1.9.1.0.1.1.0.9";	"CurrentComponentHierarchy" = (		"er.modern.look.pages.ERMODTabInspectPage",		"er.modern.directtoweb.components.repetitions.ERMDInspectPageRepetition",		"er.directtoweb.components.relationships.ERDList",		"er.directtoweb.embed.ERXD2WList",		"er.directtoweb.components.ERD2WSwitchComponent",		"er.modern.look.pages.ERMODListPage",		"er.modern.directtoweb.components.ERMDBatchSizeControl"	);	"D2W-EntityName" = "CCCommunicationIdentity";	"D2W-ComponentName" = "ERD2WDisplayString";	"Headers" = {		"user-agent" = "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_6_4; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Safari/533.18.5";		"cookie" = "__utmc=188508456; __utma=188508456.1010180370.1286383408.1286383408.1286383408.1; __utmz=188508456.1286383408.1.1.utmcsr=(direct)|utmccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none)";		"origin" = "http://10.0.1.8:9191";		"accept" = "text/_javascript_, text/html, application/xml, text/xml, */*";		"referer" = "http://10.0.1.8:9191/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TotalViewAdminD2W.woa/wo/hV8rQV1q1R2BMjuPYav2xw/3.0.3.5.1.2.3.0.1.0";		"content-type" = "application/x-www-form-urlencoded; charset=UTF-8";		"accept-encoding" = "gzip, deflate";		"content-length" = "27";		"x-prototype-version" = "1.6.1";		"original_context_id" = "5";		"x-requested-with" = "XMLHttpRequest";		"host" = "10.0.1.8:9191";		"accept-language" = "en-us";		"connection" = "keep-alive";	};	"Current User" = "Reed Ckeade";}IllegalArgumentException: Attempt to insert null object into an  com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary.  at com.webobjects.foundation.NSDictionary.(NSDictionary.java:170)  at er.modern.directtoweb.components.ERMDBatchSizeControl.setNumberOfObjectsPerBatch(ERMDBatchSizeControl.java:177)     ... skipped 21 stack elements  at ognl.helperfunction.WOHelperFunctionKeyValueAssociation.setValue(WOHelperFunctionKeyValueAssociation.java:21)  at er.ajax.AjaxInPlaceEditor.handleRequest(AjaxInPlaceEditor.java:168)     ... skipped 232 stack elements  at er.ajax.AjaxRequestHandler.handleRequest(AjaxRequestHandler.java:17)     ... skipped 1 stack elements  at er.extensions.appserver.ajax.ERXAjaxApplication.dispatchRequest(ERXAjaxApplication.java:50001)     ... skipped 1 stack elements  at com.k12.totalview.app.TVWApplication.dispatchRequestImmediately(TVWApplication.java:50001)  at com.k12.totalview.app.Application.dispatchRequestImmediately(Application.java:50001)     ... skipped 1 stack elements  at com.k12.totalview.app.TVWApplication.dispatchRequest(TVWApplication.java:213)  at com.k12.totalview.app.Application.dispatchRequest(Application.java:42)  ... skipped 3 stack elements ___Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.Webobjects-dev mailing list  (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com)Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.comThis email sent to programming...@mac.com ___
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Re: ERExcelLook returning Garbage

[David LeBer]

On 2010-10-07, at 3:33 PM, David Avendasora wrote:

> I just added David's rule to the Excel Look rule file and it works exactly as 
> expected. Ramsey, can you go ahead and add it and commit?

I've got it queued up to commit.

Should I hold off?

> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:27 PM, David Holt wrote:
> 
>> Maybe because the look framework came before Click-to-open?
>> 
>> d
>> 
>> On 2010-10-07, at 12:25 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote:
>> 
>>> Is there some reason that is not in the rule file for the excel look 
>>> framework?
>>> 
>>> Ramsey
>>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:22 PM, David Holt wrote:
>>> 
 You've got click to open enabled.
 
 You need to disable it, or use a rule such as:
 
 10 : pageConfiguration like '*Excel*' => clickToOpenEnabled = "false" 
 [com.webobjects.directtoweb.BooleanAssignment]
 
 David
 
 On 2010-10-07, at 12:19 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
 
> I just added the ability to list page to an Excel file by adding 
> ERExcelLook to my ERModernD2W app, but the spreadsheet that is almost 
> entirely full of garbage. Below is a screen shot. I'm pretty sure it's 
> getting the right datasource as you can read at least a few of the column 
> names.
> 
> Any pointers as to where to start looking?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dave
> 
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Re: ERExcelLook returning Garbage

[David Avendasora]

I just added David's rule to the Excel Look rule file and it works exactly as 
expected. Ramsey, can you go ahead and add it and commit?

Thanks!

Dave

On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:27 PM, David Holt wrote:

> Maybe because the look framework came before Click-to-open?
> 
> d
> 
> On 2010-10-07, at 12:25 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote:
> 
>> Is there some reason that is not in the rule file for the excel look 
>> framework?
>> 
>> Ramsey
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:22 PM, David Holt wrote:
>> 
>>> You've got click to open enabled.
>>> 
>>> You need to disable it, or use a rule such as:
>>> 
>>> 10 : pageConfiguration like '*Excel*' => clickToOpenEnabled = "false" 
>>> [com.webobjects.directtoweb.BooleanAssignment]
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> On 2010-10-07, at 12:19 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
>>> 
 I just added the ability to list page to an Excel file by adding 
 ERExcelLook to my ERModernD2W app, but the spreadsheet that is almost 
 entirely full of garbage. Below is a screen shot. I'm pretty sure it's 
 getting the right datasource as you can read at least a few of the column 
 names.
 
 Any pointers as to where to start looking?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Dave
 
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Re: ERExcelLook returning Garbage

[David Holt]

Maybe because the look framework came before Click-to-open?

d

On 2010-10-07, at 12:25 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote:

> Is there some reason that is not in the rule file for the excel look 
> framework?
> 
> Ramsey
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:22 PM, David Holt wrote:
> 
>> You've got click to open enabled.
>> 
>> You need to disable it, or use a rule such as:
>> 
>> 10 : pageConfiguration like '*Excel*' => clickToOpenEnabled = "false" 
>> [com.webobjects.directtoweb.BooleanAssignment]
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> On 2010-10-07, at 12:19 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
>> 
>>> I just added the ability to list page to an Excel file by adding 
>>> ERExcelLook to my ERModernD2W app, but the spreadsheet that is almost 
>>> entirely full of garbage. Below is a screen shot. I'm pretty sure it's 
>>> getting the right datasource as you can read at least a few of the column 
>>> names.
>>> 
>>> Any pointers as to where to start looking?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
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Re: ERExcelLook returning Garbage

[David Avendasora]

I knew I had heard of this before, but my googling didn't turn it up.

Thanks!!!

Dave

On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:22 PM, David Holt wrote:

> You've got click to open enabled.
> 
> You need to disable it, or use a rule such as:
> 
> 10 : pageConfiguration like '*Excel*' => clickToOpenEnabled = "false" 
> [com.webobjects.directtoweb.BooleanAssignment]
> 
> David
> 
> On 2010-10-07, at 12:19 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
>> I just added the ability to list page to an Excel file by adding ERExcelLook 
>> to my ERModernD2W app, but the spreadsheet that is almost entirely full of 
>> garbage. Below is a screen shot. I'm pretty sure it's getting the right 
>> datasource as you can read at least a few of the column names.
>> 
>> Any pointers as to where to start looking?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dave
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Re: ERExcelLook returning Garbage

[Ramsey Gurley]

Is there some reason that is not in the rule file for the excel look  
framework?


Ramsey

On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:22 PM, David Holt wrote:


You've got click to open enabled.

You need to disable it, or use a rule such as:

10 : pageConfiguration like '*Excel*' => clickToOpenEnabled =  
"false" [com.webobjects.directtoweb.BooleanAssignment]


David

On 2010-10-07, at 12:19 PM, David Avendasora wrote:

I just added the ability to list page to an Excel file by adding  
ERExcelLook to my ERModernD2W app, but the spreadsheet that is  
almost entirely full of garbage. Below is a screen shot. I'm pretty  
sure it's getting the right datasource as you can read at least a  
few of the column names.


Any pointers as to where to start looking?

Thanks,

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Re: ERExcelLook returning Garbage

[David Holt]

See also:

http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Additional+tips+for+ERExcelLook

And David's screencast if you haven't had the chance.

David

On 2010-10-07, at 12:22 PM, David Holt wrote:

> You've got click to open enabled.
> 
> You need to disable it, or use a rule such as:
> 
> 10 : pageConfiguration like '*Excel*' => clickToOpenEnabled = "false" 
> [com.webobjects.directtoweb.BooleanAssignment]
> 
> David
> 
> On 2010-10-07, at 12:19 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
>> I just added the ability to list page to an Excel file by adding ERExcelLook 
>> to my ERModernD2W app, but the spreadsheet that is almost entirely full of 
>> garbage. Below is a screen shot. I'm pretty sure it's getting the right 
>> datasource as you can read at least a few of the column names.
>> 
>> Any pointers as to where to start looking?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dave
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Re: ERExcelLook returning Garbage

[David Holt]

You've got click to open enabled.

You need to disable it, or use a rule such as:

10 : pageConfiguration like '*Excel*' => clickToOpenEnabled = "false" 
[com.webobjects.directtoweb.BooleanAssignment]

David

On 2010-10-07, at 12:19 PM, David Avendasora wrote:

> I just added the ability to list page to an Excel file by adding ERExcelLook 
> to my ERModernD2W app, but the spreadsheet that is almost entirely full of 
> garbage. Below is a screen shot. I'm pretty sure it's getting the right 
> datasource as you can read at least a few of the column names.
> 
> Any pointers as to where to start looking?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dave
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[David Avendasora]

Emacs!
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Pascal Robert]

Le 2010-10-07 à 12:21, John Huss a écrit :

> 
> what are the other seven?
> 
> They are less relevant to this conversation, but I think they are something 
> like:
> 
> 4) Thou shalt not use Maven
> 5) Thou shalt not use Jar frameworks
> 6) Thou shalt not develop on Windows
> 7) Thou shalt not use WO 5.4... oops, nevermind

8) Thou shalt not use MacRoman or ISO-Latin-1

> Someone else will have to help with the rest.  :-)
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Mark Ritchie]

On 7/Oct/2010, at 9:37 AM, Christos Konidaris wrote:
> a) for All Users (put it in /Applications),
> b) for this User only (put it in ~/Applications) ?

Um, option a) is asking for troubles because of the previous mentioned 
permissions problems when multiple users attempt to install/update plugins.  
YMMV,
M.

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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Ricardo J. Parada]

If he wants to move it somewhere else then he's probably an advanced user.
When I install Eclipse it ends up in my ~/Downloads folder.  Then I drag it to 
where I want it to reside in /Developer/Applications.  I have write permissions 
to that folder.

I've seen the Finder ask the user to authenticate when copying things into 
/Applications where the user doing the copy does not have enough permissions to 
do it.


On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Christos Konidaris wrote:

> My thought exactly. The new user would not be sure if it will break something 
> by moving things around.
> 
> -ck
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:45 PM, John Huss wrote:
> 
>> YOU CAN DO THAT???
>> 
>> ;-)
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Ricardo J. Parada  wrote:
>> 
>> If someone wants it somewhere else, then maybe they can just drag it from 
>> ~/Applications to wherever they want to put it in.
>> 
>> :-)
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Christos Konidaris wrote:
>> 
>>> How about making it a preference in the installer, something like: 
>>> 
>>> a) for All Users (put it in /Applications),
>>> b) for this User only (put it in ~/Applications) ?
>>> 
>>> This way the user should be in control, so everybody is happy and kittens 
>>> will be spared.
>>> 
>>> -ck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>>> 
 Doesn't mean we need to be complicit in their terrible life decisions. 
 And, I would wager that developers would be tend to be more discerning 
 with respect to permissions. I think this is officially a religious 
 argument at this point. I nominate that Jeremy just does whatever makes 
 him feel good  with the knowledge that I'll kill a kitten if he 
 puts it in /Applications.
 
 Should we switch over to debating optimal code formatter preferences and 
 curly brace placement?
 
 ms
 
 On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:12 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
 
> How do 99% of all Mac users run? I'm guessing as admin users (there's a 
> little evil in all of us). 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Mike Schrag  wrote:
> 
>> That's because you either made it world-writable or you run as an admin 
>> user, either of which is kind of evil.
>> 
>> ms
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM, John Huss wrote:
>> 
>>> I have put eclipse into /Applications forever and I've never had a 
>>> single problem with permissions.  I think that is a non-issue.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran Kelleher  
>>> wrote:
>>> David,
>>> 
>>> I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)
>>> 
>>> In summary 2 good reasons for installing in ~/Applications, considering 
>>> that novice/intermediate users are the ones we are trying to make life 
>>> easy for.
>>> 
>>> 1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep writeable in user dir. Prevent 
>>> permission issues that 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.
>>> 
>>> 2) Painless migrations to new machines
>>> 
>>> -Kieran
>>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>>> 
>>> > I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. 
>>> > Why would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users 
>>> > up and running install in a place other than the normal 
>>> > /Applications? Sure ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
>>> >
>>> > If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can 
>>> > move it.
>>> >
>>> > Dave
>>> >
>>> > On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
>>> >>
>>> >> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
>>> >> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
>>> >>
>>> >> -j
>>> >>
>>> >> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>>> >>
>>>  I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and 
>>>  forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it 
>>>  to my home directory instead.
>>> 
>>>  If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home 
>>>  directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
>>> >>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ms
>>> >>
>>> >
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Christos Konidaris]

My thought exactly. The new user would not be sure if it will break something 
by moving things around.

-ck

On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:45 PM, John Huss wrote:

> YOU CAN DO THAT???
> 
> ;-)
> 
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Ricardo J. Parada  wrote:
> 
> If someone wants it somewhere else, then maybe they can just drag it from 
> ~/Applications to wherever they want to put it in.
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Christos Konidaris wrote:
> 
>> How about making it a preference in the installer, something like: 
>> 
>> a) for All Users (put it in /Applications),
>> b) for this User only (put it in ~/Applications) ?
>> 
>> This way the user should be in control, so everybody is happy and kittens 
>> will be spared.
>> 
>> -ck
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>> 
>>> Doesn't mean we need to be complicit in their terrible life decisions. And, 
>>> I would wager that developers would be tend to be more discerning with 
>>> respect to permissions. I think this is officially a religious argument at 
>>> this point. I nominate that Jeremy just does whatever makes him feel good 
>>>  with the knowledge that I'll kill a kitten if he puts it in 
>>> /Applications.
>>> 
>>> Should we switch over to debating optimal code formatter preferences and 
>>> curly brace placement?
>>> 
>>> ms
>>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:12 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>>> 
 How do 99% of all Mac users run? I'm guessing as admin users (there's a 
 little evil in all of us). 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Mike Schrag  wrote:
 
> That's because you either made it world-writable or you run as an admin 
> user, either of which is kind of evil.
> 
> ms
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM, John Huss wrote:
> 
>> I have put eclipse into /Applications forever and I've never had a 
>> single problem with permissions.  I think that is a non-issue.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran Kelleher  
>> wrote:
>> David,
>> 
>> I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)
>> 
>> In summary 2 good reasons for installing in ~/Applications, considering 
>> that novice/intermediate users are the ones we are trying to make life 
>> easy for.
>> 
>> 1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep writeable in user dir. Prevent 
>> permission issues that 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.
>> 
>> 2) Painless migrations to new machines
>> 
>> -Kieran
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>> 
>> > I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. 
>> > Why would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up 
>> > and running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? 
>> > Sure ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
>> >
>> > If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can 
>> > move it.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
>> >
>> >> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
>> >>
>> >> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
>> >> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
>> >>
>> >> -j
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>> >>
>>  I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and 
>>  forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it 
>>  to my home directory instead.
>> 
>>  If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home 
>>  directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
>> >>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
>> >>>
>> >>> ms
>> >>
>> >
>> 
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[John Huss]

YOU CAN DO THAT???

;-)

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Ricardo J. Parada  wrote:

>
> If someone wants it somewhere else, then maybe they can just drag it from
> ~/Applications to wherever they want to put it in.
>
> :-)
>
>
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Christos Konidaris wrote:
>
> How about making it a preference in the installer, something like:
>
> a) for All Users (put it in /Applications),
> b) for this User only (put it in ~/Applications) ?
>
> This way the user should be in control, so everybody is happy and kittens
> will be spared.
>
> -ck
>
>
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>
> Doesn't mean we need to be complicit in their terrible life decisions. And,
> I would wager that developers would be tend to be more discerning with
> respect to permissions. I think this is officially a religious argument at
> this point. I nominate that Jeremy just does whatever makes him feel good
>  with the knowledge that I'll kill a kitten if he puts it in
> /Applications.
>
> Should we switch over to debating optimal code formatter preferences and
> curly brace placement?
>
> ms
>
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:12 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>
> How do 99% of all Mac users run? I'm guessing as admin users (there's a
> little evil in all of us).
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Mike Schrag  wrote:
>
> That's because you either made it world-writable or you run as an admin
> user, either of which is kind of evil.
>
> ms
>
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM, John Huss wrote:
>
> I have put eclipse into /Applications forever and I've never had a single
> problem with permissions.  I think that is a non-issue.
>
> John
>
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran Kelleher < 
> kelleh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)
>>
>> In summary 2 good reasons for installing in ~/Applications, considering
>> that novice/intermediate users are the ones we are trying to make life easy
>> for.
>>
>> 1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep writeable in user dir. Prevent
>> permission issues that 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.
>>
>> 2) Painless migrations to new machines
>>
>> -Kieran
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>>
>> > I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default.
>> Why would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and
>> running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure
>> ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
>> >
>> > If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can
>> move it.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
>> >
>> >> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
>> >>
>> >> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do
>> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
>> >>
>> >> -j
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>> >>
>>  I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and
>> forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my home
>> directory instead.
>> 
>>  If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home
>> directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
>> >>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
>> >>>
>> >>> ms
>> >>
>> >
>>
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Ricardo J. Parada]

If someone wants it somewhere else, then maybe they can just drag it from 
~/Applications to wherever they want to put it in.

:-)


On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Christos Konidaris wrote:

> How about making it a preference in the installer, something like: 
> 
> a) for All Users (put it in /Applications),
> b) for this User only (put it in ~/Applications) ?
> 
> This way the user should be in control, so everybody is happy and kittens 
> will be spared.
> 
> -ck
> 
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> 
>> Doesn't mean we need to be complicit in their terrible life decisions. And, 
>> I would wager that developers would be tend to be more discerning with 
>> respect to permissions. I think this is officially a religious argument at 
>> this point. I nominate that Jeremy just does whatever makes him feel good 
>>  with the knowledge that I'll kill a kitten if he puts it in 
>> /Applications.
>> 
>> Should we switch over to debating optimal code formatter preferences and 
>> curly brace placement?
>> 
>> ms
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:12 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>> 
>>> How do 99% of all Mac users run? I'm guessing as admin users (there's a 
>>> little evil in all of us). 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Mike Schrag  wrote:
>>> 
 That's because you either made it world-writable or you run as an admin 
 user, either of which is kind of evil.
 
 ms
 
 On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM, John Huss wrote:
 
> I have put eclipse into /Applications forever and I've never had a single 
> problem with permissions.  I think that is a non-issue.
> 
> John
> 
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran Kelleher  
> wrote:
> David,
> 
> I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)
> 
> In summary 2 good reasons for installing in ~/Applications, considering 
> that novice/intermediate users are the ones we are trying to make life 
> easy for.
> 
> 1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep writeable in user dir. Prevent 
> permission issues that 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.
> 
> 2) Painless migrations to new machines
> 
> -Kieran
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
> > I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. 
> > Why would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up 
> > and running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? 
> > Sure ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
> >
> > If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can 
> > move it.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
> >
> >> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
> >>
> >> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
> >> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
> >>
> >> -j
> >>
> >> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> >>
>  I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and 
>  forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to 
>  my home directory instead.
> 
>  If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home 
>  directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
> >>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
> >>>
> >>> ms
> >>
> >
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Christos Konidaris]

How about making it a preference in the installer, something like: 

a) for All Users (put it in /Applications),
b) for this User only (put it in ~/Applications) ?

This way the user should be in control, so everybody is happy and kittens will 
be spared.

-ck


On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

> Doesn't mean we need to be complicit in their terrible life decisions. And, I 
> would wager that developers would be tend to be more discerning with respect 
> to permissions. I think this is officially a religious argument at this 
> point. I nominate that Jeremy just does whatever makes him feel good  
> with the knowledge that I'll kill a kitten if he puts it in /Applications.
> 
> Should we switch over to debating optimal code formatter preferences and 
> curly brace placement?
> 
> ms
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:12 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
>> How do 99% of all Mac users run? I'm guessing as admin users (there's a 
>> little evil in all of us). 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Mike Schrag  wrote:
>> 
>>> That's because you either made it world-writable or you run as an admin 
>>> user, either of which is kind of evil.
>>> 
>>> ms
>>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM, John Huss wrote:
>>> 
 I have put eclipse into /Applications forever and I've never had a single 
 problem with permissions.  I think that is a non-issue.
 
 John
 
 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran Kelleher  
 wrote:
 David,
 
 I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)
 
 In summary 2 good reasons for installing in ~/Applications, considering 
 that novice/intermediate users are the ones we are trying to make life 
 easy for.
 
 1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep writeable in user dir. Prevent 
 permission issues that 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.
 
 2) Painless migrations to new machines
 
 -Kieran
 
 On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
 
 > I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. 
 > Why would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up 
 > and running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure 
 > ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
 >
 > If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can 
 > move it.
 >
 > Dave
 >
 > On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
 >
 >> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
 >>
 >> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
 >> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
 >>
 >> -j
 >>
 >> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
 >>
  I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and 
  forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to 
  my home directory instead.
 
  If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home 
  directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
 >>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
 >>>
 >>> ms
 >>
 >
 
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[John Huss]

> what are the other seven?
>

They are less relevant to this conversation, but I think they are something
like:

4) Thou shalt not use Maven
5) Thou shalt not use Jar frameworks
6) Thou shalt not develop on Windows
7) Thou shalt not use WO 5.4... oops, nevermind

Someone else will have to help with the rest.  :-)
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Mike Schrag]

Taking system administration guidelines from Quark probably goes in the 
bad-life-decision bucket. An application that writes into its own application 
folder is fundamentally flawed. Eclipse SHOULD have a base install that is 
read-only and then write any custom things into ~/Library/Application 
Support/Eclipse. I'll grant that in the scheme of things, it might not be that 
big of a deal, but that doesn't make it right.

ms

On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Theodore Petrosky wrote:

> my 2 cents about /Applications
> 
> I manage a network with mostly Managed Mobil Users. These are people working 
> in Quark, Indesign. I had to make the /Applications/Quarkxpress world 
> writable or it wouldn't work correctly.
> 
> I don't know that this is so 'bad'.
> 
> Ted
> 
> --- On Thu, 10/7/10, David LeBer  wrote:
> 
>> From: David LeBer 
>> Subject: Re: TurnKey Installer Components
>> To: woproject-...@objectstyle.org
>> Cc: "WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List" 
>> Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 11:21 AM
>> 
>> On 2010-10-07, at 11:18 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>> 
>>> Doesn't mean we need to be complicit in their terrible
>> life decisions. And, I would wager that developers would be
>> tend to be more discerning with respect to permissions. I
>> think this is officially a religious argument at this point.
>> I nominate that Jeremy just does whatever makes him feel
>> good  with the knowledge that I'll kill a kitten if
>> he puts it in /Applications.
>>> 
>>> Should we switch over to debating optimal code
>> formatter preferences and curly brace placement?
>> 
>> I vote for Jeremy to not put it in /Applications because I
>> like kittens... a lot. I also vote for someone to put an
>> alias on the desktop 'cause I really want to see Mike punch
>> EVERYONE in the face.
>> 
>> Loading up on popcorn and getting comfy, this should be
>> good.
>> 
>>> 
>>> ms
>>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:12 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>>> 
 How do 99% of all Mac users run? I'm guessing as
>> admin users (there's a little evil in all of us). 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Mike Schrag 
>> wrote:
 
> That's because you either made it
>> world-writable or you run as an admin user, either of which
>> is kind of evil.
> 
> ms
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM, John Huss wrote:
> 
>> I have put eclipse into /Applications
>> forever and I've never had a single problem with
>> permissions.  I think that is a non-issue.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran
>> Kelleher 
>> wrote:
>> David,
>> 
>> I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree
>> with Mike and others. ;-)
>> 
>> In summary 2 good reasons for installing
>> in ~/Applications, considering that novice/intermediate
>> users are the ones we are trying to make life easy for.
>> 
>> 1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep
>> writeable in user dir. Prevent permission issues that
>> 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.
>> 
>> 2) Painless migrations to new machines
>> 
>> -Kieran
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David
>> Avendasora wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm pretty against ~/Applications.
>> Nothing installs there by default. Why would we make an
>> installer that's targeted at getting new users up and
>> running install in a place other than the normal
>> /Applications? Sure ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not
>> _normal_.
>>> 
>>> If they're advanced enough to want it
>> in ~/Applications then they can move it.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy
>> Matthews wrote:
>>> 
 I had no idea what I was getting
>> myself intoheh.
 
 This is for newbies...generally
>> speaking, so we'll do ~/Applications...maybe offer a
>> choice...dunno yet.
 
 -j
 
 On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike
>> Schrag wrote:
 
>> I was the same until
>> recently when I switched to a new machine and forgot to copy
>> over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my
>> home directory instead.
>> 
>> If eclipse kept it's
>> plugins and other global config in my home directory I would
>> have no reason to keep it there also.
> welcome to one of the
>> longest-standing debates in eclipse history
> 
> ms
 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Mike Schrag]

> Just for my education, now.
> 
> So when I setup my clean machine from Apple, I should not use the default 
> user and be create a separate user?  not not give the new user admin rights?
yep -- the user i setup when i create a machine is "Administrator," then I make 
a regular user who does not have administrator privileges.

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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Jeremy Matthews]

That's the more secure way...

So...I've managed a few macs in my day, and created custom imageslots of IT 
work.

Generally speaking, you don't let "business" users run as admins. Not that they 
CAN"T do admin things (with an admin account ID and password), just that 
they're not an admin off the bat.
More secure. Slightly more work.

For SOHO's or individualswell, different story. 
Some of those folks don't understand why there is a need for a second 
accountor what this mysterious thing called "root" is...so its less stress 
just to tell them to be careful and not do silly things (which sometimes works).

-j

On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:03 PM, Paul D Yu wrote:

> Just for my education, now.
> 
> So when I setup my clean machine from Apple, I should not use the default 
> user and be create a separate user?  not not give the new user admin rights?
> 
> Paul
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:50 AM, John Huss wrote:
> 
>> 3) Thou shalt not run as an admin user
>> 
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[André Mitra]

what are the other seven?

On 2010-10-07, at 11:50 AM, John Huss wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Mike Schrag  wrote:
>  I think this is officially a religious argument at this point.
> 
> Mike's commandments:
> 
> 1) Thou shalt not write to /Applications
> 2) Thou shalt not put an alias on the desktop
> 3) Thou shalt not run as an admin user
> 
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Paul D Yu]

Just for my education, now.

So when I setup my clean machine from Apple, I should not use the default user 
and be create a separate user?  not not give the new user admin rights?

Paul
On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:50 AM, John Huss wrote:

> 3) Thou shalt not run as an admin user
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Jeremy Matthews]

Well, quite frankly I don't care for kittens.
Allergic, in fact.

:)

On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:

> Doesn't mean we need to be complicit in their terrible life decisions. And, I 
> would wager that developers would be tend to be more discerning with respect 
> to permissions. I think this is officially a religious argument at this 
> point. I nominate that Jeremy just does whatever makes him feel good  
> with the knowledge that I'll kill a kitten if he puts it in /Applications.
> 
> Should we switch over to debating optimal code formatter preferences and 
> curly brace placement?
> 
> ms
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:12 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
>> How do 99% of all Mac users run? I'm guessing as admin users (there's a 
>> little evil in all of us). 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Mike Schrag  wrote:
>> 
>>> That's because you either made it world-writable or you run as an admin 
>>> user, either of which is kind of evil.
>>> 
>>> ms
>>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM, John Huss wrote:
>>> 
 I have put eclipse into /Applications forever and I've never had a single 
 problem with permissions.  I think that is a non-issue.
 
 John
 
 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran Kelleher  
 wrote:
 David,
 
 I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)
 
 In summary 2 good reasons for installing in ~/Applications, considering 
 that novice/intermediate users are the ones we are trying to make life 
 easy for.
 
 1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep writeable in user dir. Prevent 
 permission issues that 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.
 
 2) Painless migrations to new machines
 
 -Kieran
 
 On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
 
 > I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. 
 > Why would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up 
 > and running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure 
 > ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
 >
 > If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can 
 > move it.
 >
 > Dave
 >
 > On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
 >
 >> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
 >>
 >> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
 >> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
 >>
 >> -j
 >>
 >> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
 >>
  I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and 
  forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to 
  my home directory instead.
 
  If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home 
  directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
 >>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
 >>>
 >>> ms
 >>
 >
 
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[John Huss]

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Mike Schrag  wrote:

>  I think this is officially a religious argument at this point.
>

Mike's commandments:

1) Thou shalt not write to /Applications
2) Thou shalt not put an alias on the desktop
3) Thou shalt not run as an admin user

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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Theodore Petrosky]

my 2 cents about /Applications

I manage a network with mostly Managed Mobil Users. These are people working in 
Quark, Indesign. I had to make the /Applications/Quarkxpress world writable or 
it wouldn't work correctly.

I don't know that this is so 'bad'.

Ted

--- On Thu, 10/7/10, David LeBer  wrote:

> From: David LeBer 
> Subject: Re: TurnKey Installer Components
> To: woproject-...@objectstyle.org
> Cc: "WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List" 
> Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 11:21 AM
> 
> On 2010-10-07, at 11:18 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> 
> > Doesn't mean we need to be complicit in their terrible
> life decisions. And, I would wager that developers would be
> tend to be more discerning with respect to permissions. I
> think this is officially a religious argument at this point.
> I nominate that Jeremy just does whatever makes him feel
> good  with the knowledge that I'll kill a kitten if
> he puts it in /Applications.
> > 
> > Should we switch over to debating optimal code
> formatter preferences and curly brace placement?
> 
> I vote for Jeremy to not put it in /Applications because I
> like kittens... a lot. I also vote for someone to put an
> alias on the desktop 'cause I really want to see Mike punch
> EVERYONE in the face.
> 
> Loading up on popcorn and getting comfy, this should be
> good.
> 
> > 
> > ms
> > 
> > On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:12 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
> > 
> >> How do 99% of all Mac users run? I'm guessing as
> admin users (there's a little evil in all of us). 
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >> 
> >> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Mike Schrag 
> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> That's because you either made it
> world-writable or you run as an admin user, either of which
> is kind of evil.
> >>> 
> >>> ms
> >>> 
> >>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM, John Huss wrote:
> >>> 
>  I have put eclipse into /Applications
> forever and I've never had a single problem with
> permissions.  I think that is a non-issue.
>  
>  John
>  
>  On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran
> Kelleher 
> wrote:
>  David,
>  
>  I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree
> with Mike and others. ;-)
>  
>  In summary 2 good reasons for installing
> in ~/Applications, considering that novice/intermediate
> users are the ones we are trying to make life easy for.
>  
>  1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep
> writeable in user dir. Prevent permission issues that
> 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.
>  
>  2) Painless migrations to new machines
>  
>  -Kieran
>  
>  On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David
> Avendasora wrote:
>  
>  > I'm pretty against ~/Applications.
> Nothing installs there by default. Why would we make an
> installer that's targeted at getting new users up and
> running install in a place other than the normal
> /Applications? Sure ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not
> _normal_.
>  >
>  > If they're advanced enough to want it
> in ~/Applications then they can move it.
>  >
>  > Dave
>  >
>  > On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy
> Matthews wrote:
>  >
>  >> I had no idea what I was getting
> myself intoheh.
>  >>
>  >> This is for newbies...generally
> speaking, so we'll do ~/Applications...maybe offer a
> choice...dunno yet.
>  >>
>  >> -j
>  >>
>  >> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike
> Schrag wrote:
>  >>
>   I was the same until
> recently when I switched to a new machine and forgot to copy
> over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my
> home directory instead.
>  
>   If eclipse kept it's
> plugins and other global config in my home directory I would
> have no reason to keep it there also.
>  >>> welcome to one of the
> longest-standing debates in eclipse history
>  >>>
>  >>> ms
>  >>
>  >
>  
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[David LeBer]

On 2010-10-07, at 11:18 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:

> Doesn't mean we need to be complicit in their terrible life decisions. And, I 
> would wager that developers would be tend to be more discerning with respect 
> to permissions. I think this is officially a religious argument at this 
> point. I nominate that Jeremy just does whatever makes him feel good  
> with the knowledge that I'll kill a kitten if he puts it in /Applications.
> 
> Should we switch over to debating optimal code formatter preferences and 
> curly brace placement?

I vote for Jeremy to not put it in /Applications because I like kittens... a 
lot. I also vote for someone to put an alias on the desktop 'cause I really 
want to see Mike punch EVERYONE in the face.

Loading up on popcorn and getting comfy, this should be good.

> 
> ms
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:12 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
>> How do 99% of all Mac users run? I'm guessing as admin users (there's a 
>> little evil in all of us). 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Mike Schrag  wrote:
>> 
>>> That's because you either made it world-writable or you run as an admin 
>>> user, either of which is kind of evil.
>>> 
>>> ms
>>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM, John Huss wrote:
>>> 
 I have put eclipse into /Applications forever and I've never had a single 
 problem with permissions.  I think that is a non-issue.
 
 John
 
 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran Kelleher  
 wrote:
 David,
 
 I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)
 
 In summary 2 good reasons for installing in ~/Applications, considering 
 that novice/intermediate users are the ones we are trying to make life 
 easy for.
 
 1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep writeable in user dir. Prevent 
 permission issues that 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.
 
 2) Painless migrations to new machines
 
 -Kieran
 
 On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
 
 > I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. 
 > Why would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up 
 > and running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure 
 > ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
 >
 > If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can 
 > move it.
 >
 > Dave
 >
 > On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
 >
 >> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
 >>
 >> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
 >> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
 >>
 >> -j
 >>
 >> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
 >>
  I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and 
  forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to 
  my home directory instead.
 
  If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home 
  directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
 >>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
 >>>
 >>> ms
 >>
 >
 
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Mike Schrag]

Doesn't mean we need to be complicit in their terrible life decisions. And, I 
would wager that developers would be tend to be more discerning with respect to 
permissions. I think this is officially a religious argument at this point. I 
nominate that Jeremy just does whatever makes him feel good  with the 
knowledge that I'll kill a kitten if he puts it in /Applications.

Should we switch over to debating optimal code formatter preferences and curly 
brace placement?

ms

On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:12 AM, David Avendasora wrote:

> How do 99% of all Mac users run? I'm guessing as admin users (there's a 
> little evil in all of us). 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Mike Schrag  wrote:
> 
>> That's because you either made it world-writable or you run as an admin 
>> user, either of which is kind of evil.
>> 
>> ms
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM, John Huss wrote:
>> 
>>> I have put eclipse into /Applications forever and I've never had a single 
>>> problem with permissions.  I think that is a non-issue.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran Kelleher  wrote:
>>> David,
>>> 
>>> I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)
>>> 
>>> In summary 2 good reasons for installing in ~/Applications, considering 
>>> that novice/intermediate users are the ones we are trying to make life easy 
>>> for.
>>> 
>>> 1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep writeable in user dir. Prevent permission 
>>> issues that 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.
>>> 
>>> 2) Painless migrations to new machines
>>> 
>>> -Kieran
>>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>>> 
>>> > I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. Why 
>>> > would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and 
>>> > running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure 
>>> > ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
>>> >
>>> > If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can 
>>> > move it.
>>> >
>>> > Dave
>>> >
>>> > On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
>>> >>
>>> >> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
>>> >> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
>>> >>
>>> >> -j
>>> >>
>>> >> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>>> >>
>>>  I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and 
>>>  forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to 
>>>  my home directory instead.
>>> 
>>>  If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home 
>>>  directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
>>> >>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ms
>>> >>
>>> >
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Mike Schrag]

> I agree with John. I understand that there could -possibly- be issues with 
> permissions in /Applications, but I've never run into them, and I don't 
> recall anyone posting to the list with those types of problems.
> 
> I can write to my Eclipse directory just fine in /Applications. Installing 
> plugins has never required me to authenticate or adjust the permissions.
> 
> I just don't see the justification for the installer to behave differently 
> than how every other installer (other than Xcode) behaves; present the user 
> with an install location that is defaulted to /Applications, but allows them 
> to choose a different location.  
It has to behave differently because eclipse sucks. You've never had 
permissions issues because your permissions are wrong because they HAVE to be 
wrong for eclipse to work properly. It's not that there's possibly a 
permissions problem, it's that there just IS a permissions problem. Apps that 
install with defaults that are unsafe are kind of uncool. We should default to 
safety even if that means it's slightly off. I like to think that our new users 
aren't retarded and can cope with having our app in a different folder 
initially. If THEY want to move and figure out what that means, that's up to 
them, but we shouldn't put them in a compromised situation out-of-the-box.

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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[David Avendasora]

How do 99% of all Mac users run? I'm guessing as admin users (there's a little 
evil in all of us). 

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Mike Schrag  wrote:

> That's because you either made it world-writable or you run as an admin user, 
> either of which is kind of evil.
> 
> ms
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM, John Huss wrote:
> 
>> I have put eclipse into /Applications forever and I've never had a single 
>> problem with permissions.  I think that is a non-issue.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran Kelleher  wrote:
>> David,
>> 
>> I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)
>> 
>> In summary 2 good reasons for installing in ~/Applications, considering that 
>> novice/intermediate users are the ones we are trying to make life easy 
>> for.
>> 
>> 1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep writeable in user dir. Prevent permission 
>> issues that 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.
>> 
>> 2) Painless migrations to new machines
>> 
>> -Kieran
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>> 
>> > I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. Why 
>> > would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and 
>> > running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure 
>> > ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
>> >
>> > If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can move 
>> > it.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
>> >
>> >> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
>> >>
>> >> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
>> >> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
>> >>
>> >> -j
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>> >>
>>  I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and 
>>  forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my 
>>  home directory instead.
>> 
>>  If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home 
>>  directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
>> >>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
>> >>>
>> >>> ms
>> >>
>> >
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[David Avendasora]

I agree with John. I understand that there could -possibly- be issues with 
permissions in /Applications, but I've never run into them, and I don't recall 
anyone posting to the list with those types of problems.

I can write to my Eclipse directory just fine in /Applications. Installing 
plugins has never required me to authenticate or adjust the permissions.

I just don't see the justification for the installer to behave differently than 
how every other installer (other than Xcode) behaves; present the user with an 
install location that is defaulted to /Applications, but allows them to choose 
a different location.  

Dave

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM, John Huss  wrote:

> I have put eclipse into /Applications forever and I've never had a single 
> problem with permissions.  I think that is a non-issue.
> 
> John
> 
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran Kelleher  wrote:
> David,
> 
> I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)
> 
> In summary 2 good reasons for installing in ~/Applications, considering that 
> novice/intermediate users are the ones we are trying to make life easy 
> for.
> 
> 1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep writeable in user dir. Prevent permission 
> issues that 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.
> 
> 2) Painless migrations to new machines
> 
> -Kieran
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
> > I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. Why 
> > would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and 
> > running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure 
> > ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
> >
> > If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can move 
> > it.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
> >
> >> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
> >>
> >> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
> >> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
> >>
> >> -j
> >>
> >> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> >>
>  I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and 
>  forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my 
>  home directory instead.
> 
>  If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home 
>  directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
> >>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
> >>>
> >>> ms
> >>
> >
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Mike Schrag]

That's because you either made it world-writable or you run as an admin user, 
either of which is kind of evil.

ms

On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM, John Huss wrote:

> I have put eclipse into /Applications forever and I've never had a single 
> problem with permissions.  I think that is a non-issue.
> 
> John
> 
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran Kelleher  wrote:
> David,
> 
> I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)
> 
> In summary 2 good reasons for installing in ~/Applications, considering that 
> novice/intermediate users are the ones we are trying to make life easy 
> for.
> 
> 1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep writeable in user dir. Prevent permission 
> issues that 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.
> 
> 2) Painless migrations to new machines
> 
> -Kieran
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
> > I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. Why 
> > would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and 
> > running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure 
> > ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
> >
> > If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can move 
> > it.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
> >
> >> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
> >>
> >> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
> >> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
> >>
> >> -j
> >>
> >> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> >>
>  I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and 
>  forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my 
>  home directory instead.
> 
>  If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home 
>  directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
> >>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
> >>>
> >>> ms
> >>
> >
> 
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Re: Delete of parent object triggers delete of to-one destination object

[Ricardo J. Parada]

Correct.  I got rid of that flattened attribute and things work as expected 
now.  The cascade delete no longer happens.


On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:29 AM, Timo Hoepfner wrote:

> Hi Ricardo,
> 
> you mean Message.mimeType is a flattened attribute to 
> Message.mimeContent.mimeType? An this is causing the unwanted cascade delete?
> 
> Sounds scary...
> 
> Timo
> 
> Am 06.10.2010 um 18:20 schrieb Ricardo J. Parada:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks Chuck... You lead me to the problem.
>> 
>> My Message entity has a mimeType property derived from mimeContent.mimeType. 
>>  So it seems that is the reason why EOF is deleting the mimeContent to-one 
>> when I delete the parent Message.
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 5, 2010, at 8:26 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
>> 
>>> Is there another relationship with Owns Destination or Cascade Delete set 
>>> on it.  Those are the only things that I can think of that would make EOF 
>>> delete an EO.  Could it be happening in your code?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> On Oct 5, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Ricardo J. Parada wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 When I remove a child from a many-to-many relationship in the parent and 
 delete the child I see EOF deletes the child in the database and  the 
 corresponding record in the join table.  That's great.  However, the child 
 object has a to-one called mimeContent and I'm also seeing a delete for 
 the destination object:
 
 DELETE FROM MIME_CONTENT WHERE MIME_CONTENT_ID = ?" withBindings: 
 1:26954(NeededByEOF0)
 1 row(s) deleted
 
 I'm trying to figure out why this record is being deleted.  I already 
 checked the "Own Destination" for the mimeContent to-one and it's not set. 
  The "Delete Rule" is set to "No Action".   So I don't quite understand 
 why it's getting deleted.  I don't want it to be deleted.
 
 Any ideas?
 
 Thanks,
 Ricardo
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[David Avendasora]

I don't 

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On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:24 AM, John Huss  wrote:

> How many of you who gave an opinion actually USE the all-in-one installer? 
> Probably not many?

Probably zero.

>  Who is the target audience for this?  

New users.

> Where would they expect to find it?

Find the eclipse install? In /Applications, unless they specified elsewhere 
during the install.

The installer itself? On the front page of the WOCommunity website, on the 
front page of the wiki, and as the very first item on the How to install WO 
wiki page.

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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[John Huss]

I have put eclipse into /Applications forever and I've never had a single
problem with permissions.  I think that is a non-issue.

John

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran Kelleher  wrote:

> David,
>
> I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)
>
> In summary 2 good reasons for installing in ~/Applications, considering
> that novice/intermediate users are the ones we are trying to make life easy
> for.
>
> 1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep writeable in user dir. Prevent permission
> issues that 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.
>
> 2) Painless migrations to new machines
>
> -Kieran
>
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>
> > I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. Why
> would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and
> running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure
> ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
> >
> > If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can
> move it.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
> >
> >> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
> >>
> >> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do
> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
> >>
> >> -j
> >>
> >> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> >>
>  I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and
> forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my home
> directory instead.
> 
>  If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home
> directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
> >>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
> >>>
> >>> ms
> >>
> >
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Kieran Kelleher]

David,

I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)

In summary 2 good reasons for installing in ~/Applications, considering that 
novice/intermediate users are the ones we are trying to make life easy for.

1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep writeable in user dir. Prevent permission 
issues that 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.

2) Painless migrations to new machines

-Kieran

On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:

> I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. Why 
> would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and 
> running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure 
> ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
> 
> If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can move it.
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
> 
>> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
>> 
>> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do ~/Applications...maybe 
>> offer a choice...dunno yet.
>> 
>> -j
>> 
>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>> 
 I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and forgot 
 to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my home 
 directory instead. 
 
 If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home directory 
 I would have no reason to keep it there also.
>>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
>>> 
>>> ms
>> 
> 

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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Andrew R. Kinnie]

I think a double-clickable wrapper is a rocking idea.

On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:00 AM, David LeBer wrote:

> On a complete tangent:
> 
> Mike's wo setup script is AWESOME.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyone want a double-clickable wrapper built around this?
> 
> On 2010-10-07, at 9:54 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:
> 
>> I have not shared MY development machine(s) with other people for as long as 
>> I can remember, so I've installed Eclipse in /Applications.  Not that I'm 
>> advocating for this...
>> 
>> Do you guys actually share your machines with other developers?
>> 
>> Paul
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Timo Hoepfner wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree with Dave on this one.
>>> 
>>> Timo
>>> 
>>> Am 07.10.2010 um 13:54 schrieb David Avendasora:
>>> 
 I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. Why 
 would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and 
 running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure 
 ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
 
 If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can move 
 it.
 
 Dave
 
 On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
 
> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
> 
> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
> 
> -j
> 
> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> 
>>> I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and 
>>> forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my 
>>> home directory instead.
>>> 
>>> If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home 
>>> directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
>> 
>> ms
> 
 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> ;david
> 
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Kieran Kelleher]

Yep, same here ... keeping everything (Eclipse, WO Roots with different 
versions, framework install locations, etc.) means painless migrations to new 
machines, which for speed-thirsty devs can mean once per year usually.

On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:55 PM, Q wrote:

> 
> On 07/10/2010, at 10:38 AM, Stephen R. Smith wrote:
> 
>> FWIW - I'm also a /Developer/Applications fan.
>> 
>> I'm the only user on my machines, so I don't use ~/Applications at all. 
>> Office and Photoshop aren't really dev apps, so they logically belong in 
>> /Applications. Conversely, Xcode and Eclipse aren't really general purpose 
>> apps, so they go in /Developer/Applications. My WO53, WO54 environments are 
>> in /Developer/WebObjects/
>> 
> 
> I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and forgot to 
> copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my home directory 
> instead. 
> 
> If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home directory I 
> would have no reason to keep it there also.
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Pascal Robert]

Le 2010-10-07 à 10:24, John Huss a écrit :

> How many of you who gave an opinion actually USE the all-in-one installer?  
> Probably not many?  

I don't.

> Who is the target audience for this?  

People new to WebObjects.

> Where would they expect to find it?

From wocommunity.org and the wiki.

I looked at the answers from the individual survey for people who have 3 years 
or less of experience with WebObjects, and they said that the main problems 
they had while learning WO was the lack of good documentation for the current 
toolset, and some said they struggled to install everything correctly, so if 
people come out with better ways to help new people, that's good.

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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[John Huss]

How many of you who gave an opinion actually USE the all-in-one installer?
 Probably not many?  Who is the target audience for this?  Where would they
expect to find it?

John
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Mike Schrag]

btw -- a little pro-tip ... download the eclipse tar.gz yourself and drop it in 
~/Sites, then change the script to point to 
http://localhost/~you/eclipsetar.gz. then you can spit out new eclipse 
folders really quickly -- you just take the hit to download plugins (which 
isn't too bad).

ms

On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:00 AM, David LeBer wrote:

> On a complete tangent:
> 
> Mike's wo setup script is AWESOME.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyone want a double-clickable wrapper built around this?
> 
> On 2010-10-07, at 9:54 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:
> 
>> I have not shared MY development machine(s) with other people for as long as 
>> I can remember, so I've installed Eclipse in /Applications.  Not that I'm 
>> advocating for this...
>> 
>> Do you guys actually share your machines with other developers?
>> 
>> Paul
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Timo Hoepfner wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree with Dave on this one.
>>> 
>>> Timo
>>> 
>>> Am 07.10.2010 um 13:54 schrieb David Avendasora:
>>> 
 I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. Why 
 would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and 
 running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure 
 ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
 
 If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can move 
 it.
 
 Dave
 
 On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
 
> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
> 
> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
> 
> -j
> 
> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> 
>>> I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and 
>>> forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my 
>>> home directory instead.
>>> 
>>> If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home 
>>> directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
>> 
>> ms
> 
 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> ;david
> 
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Mike Schrag]

it's in the "not pretty but gets the job done" category ...

ms

On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:00 AM, David LeBer wrote:

> On a complete tangent:
> 
> Mike's wo setup script is AWESOME.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyone want a double-clickable wrapper built around this?
> 
> On 2010-10-07, at 9:54 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:
> 
>> I have not shared MY development machine(s) with other people for as long as 
>> I can remember, so I've installed Eclipse in /Applications.  Not that I'm 
>> advocating for this...
>> 
>> Do you guys actually share your machines with other developers?
>> 
>> Paul
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Timo Hoepfner wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree with Dave on this one.
>>> 
>>> Timo
>>> 
>>> Am 07.10.2010 um 13:54 schrieb David Avendasora:
>>> 
 I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. Why 
 would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and 
 running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure 
 ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
 
 If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can move 
 it.
 
 Dave
 
 On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
 
> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
> 
> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
> 
> -j
> 
> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> 
>>> I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and 
>>> forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my 
>>> home directory instead.
>>> 
>>> If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home 
>>> directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
>> 
>> ms
> 
 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> ;david
> 
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Mike Schrag]

I don't share my machine (and I kind of doubt anyone does), but it does feel 
dirty to have an installer that puts a writable application into /Applications.

We really only have two choices here:

1) /Applications/Eclipse.app and world(ish) writable

2) ~/Applications/Eclipse.app and slightly untypical (though it actually is 
supported by OS X as a legitimate "Applications" folder)

I lean towards option 2 at this point because it does seem like a writable 
/Applications entry is wrong and unsafe. That we dropped it in ~/Applications 
is just such a small obstacle to overcome -- open the folder at the end of the 
install process, or mention it in the dialog at the end. For that matter, 
people probably use spotlight to launch apps anyway. I don't even know where 
some of my apps are installed because of that.

I'd say just let Jeremy make the call when he makes the installer.

ms

On Oct 7, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:

> I have not shared MY development machine(s) with other people for as long as 
> I can remember, so I've installed Eclipse in /Applications.  Not that I'm 
> advocating for this...
> 
> Do you guys actually share your machines with other developers?
> 
> Paul
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Timo Hoepfner wrote:
> 
>> I agree with Dave on this one.
>> 
>> Timo
>> 
>> Am 07.10.2010 um 13:54 schrieb David Avendasora:
>> 
>>> I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. Why 
>>> would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and 
>>> running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure 
>>> ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
>>> 
>>> If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can move 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
>>> 
 I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
 
 This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
 ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
 
 -j
 
 On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
 
>> I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and 
>> forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my 
>> home directory instead.
>> 
>> If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home 
>> directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
> 
> ms
 
>>> 
>> 
> 

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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[David LeBer]

On a complete tangent:

Mike's wo setup script is AWESOME.



Anyone want a double-clickable wrapper built around this?

On 2010-10-07, at 9:54 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:

> I have not shared MY development machine(s) with other people for as long as 
> I can remember, so I've installed Eclipse in /Applications.  Not that I'm 
> advocating for this...
> 
> Do you guys actually share your machines with other developers?
> 
> Paul
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Timo Hoepfner wrote:
> 
>> I agree with Dave on this one.
>> 
>> Timo
>> 
>> Am 07.10.2010 um 13:54 schrieb David Avendasora:
>> 
>>> I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. Why 
>>> would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and 
>>> running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure 
>>> ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
>>> 
>>> If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can move 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
>>> 
 I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
 
 This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
 ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
 
 -j
 
 On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
 
>> I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and 
>> forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my 
>> home directory instead.
>> 
>> If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home 
>> directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
> 
> ms
 
>>> 
>> 
> 

;david

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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Paul D Yu]

I have not shared MY development machine(s) with other people for as long as I 
can remember, so I've installed Eclipse in /Applications.  Not that I'm 
advocating for this...

Do you guys actually share your machines with other developers?

Paul
On Oct 7, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Timo Hoepfner wrote:

> I agree with Dave on this one.
> 
> Timo
> 
> Am 07.10.2010 um 13:54 schrieb David Avendasora:
> 
>> I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. Why 
>> would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and 
>> running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure 
>> ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
>> 
>> If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can move 
>> it.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
>> 
>>> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
>>> 
>>> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
>>> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
>>> 
>>> -j
>>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>>> 
> I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and forgot 
> to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my home 
> directory instead.
> 
> If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home directory 
> I would have no reason to keep it there also.
 welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
 
 ms
>>> 
>> 
> 

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ERRest, D2WContext, displayPropertyKeys and localizer issue

[Farrukh Ijaz]

Hi,

I'm using ERRest framework and I've integrated the Rule System with the ERRest 
requests. I'm facing a situation and can't think about any possible solution 
out of the box.

In the rules file I've a rule as follows:

100 : (entity.name = 'CascadingMenuItem' and task = 'GET') => 
displayPropertyKeys = (menuTitle,"toParentMenu.menuTitle") 
[com.webobjects.directtoweb.Assignment],

The issue is the value of menuTitle and toParentMenuItem.menuTitle are 
localized keys. I want to get the localized value. So for that I've to modify 
the above rule as follows:

100 : (entity.name = 'MenuItem' and task = 'GET') => displayPropertyKeys = 
(localizedMenuTitle,"toParentMenuItem.localizedMenuTitle") 
[com.webobjects.directtoweb.Assignment],

The localizedMenuTitle takes "localizer" parameter and the above rule works 
okay with in WO Component. Where localizer is automatically passed to the 
method by the framework.

In ERRest, I don't understand how should I handle this.

Any ideas? or may be I've missed some documentation which could help with the 
problem with minimum effort?

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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Timo Hoepfner]

I agree with Dave on this one.

Timo

Am 07.10.2010 um 13:54 schrieb David Avendasora:

I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by  
default. Why would we make an installer that's targeted at getting  
new users up and running install in a place other than the normal / 
Applications? Sure ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.


If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they  
can move it.


Dave

On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:


I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.

This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do ~/ 
Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.


-j

On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine  
and forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I  
moved it to my home directory instead.


If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home  
directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.

welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history

ms






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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[Mike Schrag]

I think Lachlan's point about permissions is the reason to do this ... If you 
put it in /Applications, you WILL run into problems, because the natural 
permissions are to be o-w. Because Eclipse has no concept of privilege 
escalation, it would then be impossible for you to install new plugins without 
actually logging in as your admin user and running eclipse, which is really 
counterintuitive. The only thing you can reasonably do here is give the 
installing user write permission to the app, which means that it should 
probably then be off the ~ hierarchy.

Regardless, I think this is REALLY minor decision and it's gotten way more 
column inches than it deserves.

ms

On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:

> I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. Why 
> would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and 
> running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure 
> ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
> 
> If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can move it.
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
> 
>> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
>> 
>> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do ~/Applications...maybe 
>> offer a choice...dunno yet.
>> 
>> -j
>> 
>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>> 
 I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and forgot 
 to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my home 
 directory instead. 
 
 If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home directory 
 I would have no reason to keep it there also.
>>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
>>> 
>>> ms
>> 
> 
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Re: TurnKey Installer Components

[David Avendasora]

I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. Why would 
we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and running 
install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure ~/Applications is 
_better_ but it's not _normal_.

If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can move it.

Dave

On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:

> I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
> 
> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do ~/Applications...maybe 
> offer a choice...dunno yet.
> 
> -j
> 
> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> 
>>> I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and forgot 
>>> to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my home 
>>> directory instead. 
>>> 
>>> If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home directory I 
>>> would have no reason to keep it there also.
>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
>> 
>> ms
> 

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Re: D2W & an Unmodeled Relationship

[Anjo Krank]

But the "embedded" part in the PC name refers to not having a wrapper. You can 
use the component to  - say - bind a relationship in a plain page and have *it* 
create the wrapper.

Cheers, Anjo

Am 07.10.2010 um 13:48 schrieb David Avendasora:

> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:24 AM, David Holt wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2010-10-07, at 3:07 AM, David Avendasora  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 7:38 PM, David Holt wrote:
>>> 
 
 
 
 On 2010-10-06, at 3:09 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
 
> First of all, the changes to RuleModeler rock in that I could just copy 
> paste your rules below directly into my rule files!
 
 It's a new world!
 
> 
> Second. It doesn't quite work yet. The paging controls are there, but no 
> listing. Hard to explain. Here's a screen shot (yes, I have my own Skin 
> for ERModernD2W)
 
 Your second rule listConfigurationName is named correctly?
>>> 
>>> That was it. I had forgotten to change that. Works perfectly now. Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Out of curiosity, why is it listConfigurationName and not 
>>> listEmbeddedConfigurationName?
>> 
>> The configuration name tells the rule system it's embedded.
> 
> But it is embedded, isn't it? Or am I misinterpreting what Embedded means? Am 
> I the Vizzini of the D2W world?
> 
>> 
>> David
>> 
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
 
 Your priority for these rules is high enough?
 
 You don't have other rules that are overriding the display somehow?
 
 There's nothing in CSS that is hiding the listing?
 
 
> 
> 
> 
> You can see that there are 139 items in the array, but they aren't being 
> displayed.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> On Oct 6, 2010, at 5:08 PM, David Holt wrote:
> 
>> For details see the thread from last week: Re: [Wonder-disc] derived 
>> related non-modeled EO List display
>> 
>> Short answer:
>> 95 : propertyKey = 'distinctPrivileges' => componentName = ERDList 
>> [com.webobjects.directtoweb.Assignment]
>> 95 : propertyKey = 'distinctPrivileges' => listConfigurationName = 
>> ListEmbeddedERPrivilege [com.webobjects.directtoweb.Assignment]
>> 
>> distinctPrivileges is the method
>> I don't know if you need the second rule, it depends where you are 
>> trying to display your array.
>> 
>> d
>> 
>> On 2010-10-06, at 2:01 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm working on a ERModernD2W app and I have a cross-DB toMany 
>>> relationship that I can't model because DB is on a different physical 
>>> server, so I've just created a method that fetches the related object 
>>> by qualifying on the PK. All quite straight-forward.
>>> 
>>> But when I add that method to the list of displayPropertyKeys for my 
>>> entity, the result is the toString() of the NSArray of results. How do 
>>> I get it to treat it like a modeled relationship?
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
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Re: D2W & an Unmodeled Relationship

[David Avendasora]

On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:24 AM, David Holt wrote:

> 
> 
> On 2010-10-07, at 3:07 AM, David Avendasora  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 7:38 PM, David Holt wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2010-10-06, at 3:09 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
>>> 
 First of all, the changes to RuleModeler rock in that I could just copy 
 paste your rules below directly into my rule files!
>>> 
>>> It's a new world!
>>> 
 
 Second. It doesn't quite work yet. The paging controls are there, but no 
 listing. Hard to explain. Here's a screen shot (yes, I have my own Skin 
 for ERModernD2W)
>>> 
>>> Your second rule listConfigurationName is named correctly?
>> 
>> That was it. I had forgotten to change that. Works perfectly now. Thanks!
>> 
>> Out of curiosity, why is it listConfigurationName and not 
>> listEmbeddedConfigurationName?
> 
> The configuration name tells the rule system it's embedded.

But it is embedded, isn't it? Or am I misinterpreting what Embedded means? Am I 
the Vizzini of the D2W world?

> 
> David
> 
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>>> 
>>> Your priority for these rules is high enough?
>>> 
>>> You don't have other rules that are overriding the display somehow?
>>> 
>>> There's nothing in CSS that is hiding the listing?
>>> 
>>> 
 
 
 
 You can see that there are 139 items in the array, but they aren't being 
 displayed.
 
 Dave
 
 
 On Oct 6, 2010, at 5:08 PM, David Holt wrote:
 
> For details see the thread from last week: Re: [Wonder-disc] derived 
> related non-modeled EO List display
> 
> Short answer:
> 95 : propertyKey = 'distinctPrivileges' => componentName = ERDList 
> [com.webobjects.directtoweb.Assignment]
> 95 : propertyKey = 'distinctPrivileges' => listConfigurationName = 
> ListEmbeddedERPrivilege [com.webobjects.directtoweb.Assignment]
> 
> distinctPrivileges is the method
> I don't know if you need the second rule, it depends where you are trying 
> to display your array.
> 
> d
> 
> On 2010-10-06, at 2:01 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm working on a ERModernD2W app and I have a cross-DB toMany 
>> relationship that I can't model because DB is on a different physical 
>> server, so I've just created a method that fetches the related object by 
>> qualifying on the PK. All quite straight-forward.
>> 
>> But when I add that method to the list of displayPropertyKeys for my 
>> entity, the result is the toString() of the NSArray of results. How do I 
>> get it to treat it like a modeled relationship?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
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WOText input has bad encoding?

[Theodore Petrosky]

I have a WOText component on a page to collect some meta data. My clients have 
been merrily using this app for over a month and all of a sudden, over night, 
in the heat of the moment, they added some text, clicked the insert job button 
and nothing happened. 

My AJAX area should have updated with the data but nada. So I check the logs 
and see errors talking about check the 'client-encoding'. Well, everything is 
UTF8 and it has been working for a month.

After a little DA I discovered that if you type in the WOText area everything 
is fine. However, one user started copying and pasting from an internally 
created Acrobat PDF. Then I discovered that copying and pasting was fine except 
if the text in the PDF was 'Styled'.

So I tested by copying one word from the PDF (the text was colored red) and 
pasting it into the WOText. SaveChanges failed with the 'check 
'client-encoding' error. So I typed the same word next to the pasted word and 
same deal. Then I deleted the pasted word and there was gold.

Has anyone seen this behavior before? I am starting to think that it (the 
problem) is connected to just this class of PDFs that the client is creating as 
I can not reproduce it with any pdfs that I have. I will check to see if she is 
using a really old version of Acrobat to open the pdf, but I still don't get it.

Should I be massaging my data before trying to save it?

Ted


  
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Re: D2W & an Unmodeled Relationship

[David Avendasora]

On Oct 6, 2010, at 7:38 PM, David Holt wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> On 2010-10-06, at 3:09 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
>> First of all, the changes to RuleModeler rock in that I could just copy 
>> paste your rules below directly into my rule files!
> 
> It's a new world!
> 
>> 
>> Second. It doesn't quite work yet. The paging controls are there, but no 
>> listing. Hard to explain. Here's a screen shot (yes, I have my own Skin for 
>> ERModernD2W)
> 
> Your second rule listConfigurationName is named correctly?

That was it. I had forgotten to change that. Works perfectly now. Thanks!

Out of curiosity, why is it listConfigurationName and not 
listEmbeddedConfigurationName?

Dave

> 
> Your priority for these rules is high enough?
> 
> You don't have other rules that are overriding the display somehow?
> 
> There's nothing in CSS that is hiding the listing?
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You can see that there are 139 items in the array, but they aren't being 
>> displayed.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 5:08 PM, David Holt wrote:
>> 
>>> For details see the thread from last week: Re: [Wonder-disc] derived 
>>> related non-modeled EO List display
>>> 
>>> Short answer:
>>> 95 : propertyKey = 'distinctPrivileges' => componentName = ERDList 
>>> [com.webobjects.directtoweb.Assignment]
>>> 95 : propertyKey = 'distinctPrivileges' => listConfigurationName = 
>>> ListEmbeddedERPrivilege [com.webobjects.directtoweb.Assignment]
>>> 
>>> distinctPrivileges is the method
>>> I don't know if you need the second rule, it depends where you are trying 
>>> to display your array.
>>> 
>>> d
>>> 
>>> On 2010-10-06, at 2:01 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm working on a ERModernD2W app and I have a cross-DB toMany relationship 
 that I can't model because DB is on a different physical server, so I've 
 just created a method that fetches the related object by qualifying on the 
 PK. All quite straight-forward.
 
 But when I add that method to the list of displayPropertyKeys for my 
 entity, the result is the toString() of the NSArray of results. How do I 
 get it to treat it like a modeled relationship?
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: Ant Build Outside Eclipse

[Joe Kramer]

Yeah... you can just ignore my last message... I cleaned my project from
within Eclipse and then did the "Run As..." > "Ant Build..." and everything
worked fine.

Regards,

Joe

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Joe Kramer  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'm trying to deploy an app for the first time on my own and I'm realizing
> that Eclipse does a lot for me.  If I just try to build the app using "ant
> build" I get the error: "class org.objectstyle.woproject.ant.WOCompile
> cannot be found".  If I then try "ant build -lib /path/to/woproject.jar" I
> get a bunch of compiler errors... something like: "java:9: cannot find
> symbol".  I'm sure both of these have to do with the classpath not being set
> up properly, but I'm not entirely sure how to set this up to work.  Also,
> I've tried doing a "Run As..." > "Ant Build..." on my build.xml file from
> inside Eclipse, but I'm getting all the same compiler errors.   Any help
> would be appreciated.
>
> I'm using Eclipse 3.4/WOLips 3.4.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
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Ant Build Outside Eclipse

[Joe Kramer]

Hi All,

I'm trying to deploy an app for the first time on my own and I'm realizing
that Eclipse does a lot for me.  If I just try to build the app using "ant
build" I get the error: "class org.objectstyle.woproject.ant.WOCompile
cannot be found".  If I then try "ant build -lib /path/to/woproject.jar" I
get a bunch of compiler errors... something like: "java:9: cannot find
symbol".  I'm sure both of these have to do with the classpath not being set
up properly, but I'm not entirely sure how to set this up to work.  Also,
I've tried doing a "Run As..." > "Ant Build..." on my build.xml file from
inside Eclipse, but I'm getting all the same compiler errors.   Any help
would be appreciated.

I'm using Eclipse 3.4/WOLips 3.4.

Thanks,

Joe
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Re: Delete of parent object triggers delete of to-one destination object

[Timo Hoepfner]

Hi Ricardo,

you mean Message.mimeType is a flattened attribute to  
Message.mimeContent.mimeType? An this is causing the unwanted cascade  
delete?


Sounds scary...

Timo

Am 06.10.2010 um 18:20 schrieb Ricardo J. Parada:




Thanks Chuck... You lead me to the problem.

My Message entity has a mimeType property derived from  
mimeContent.mimeType.  So it seems that is the reason why EOF is  
deleting the mimeContent to-one when I delete the parent Message.



On Oct 5, 2010, at 8:26 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:

Is there another relationship with Owns Destination or Cascade  
Delete set on it.  Those are the only things that I can think of  
that would make EOF delete an EO.  Could it be happening in your  
code?



Chuck

On Oct 5, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Ricardo J. Parada wrote:


Hi,

When I remove a child from a many-to-many relationship in the  
parent and delete the child I see EOF deletes the child in the  
database and  the corresponding record in the join table.  That's  
great.  However, the child object has a to-one called mimeContent  
and I'm also seeing a delete for the destination object:


DELETE FROM MIME_CONTENT WHERE MIME_CONTENT_ID = ?" withBindings:  
1:26954(NeededByEOF0)

1 row(s) deleted

I'm trying to figure out why this record is being deleted.  I  
already checked the "Own Destination" for the mimeContent to-one  
and it's not set.  The "Delete Rule" is set to "No Action".   So I  
don't quite understand why it's getting deleted.  I don't want it  
to be deleted.


Any ideas?

Thanks,
Ricardo



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