Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-24 Thread Paul Hoadley
Hi Joe,

On 25/02/2011, at 1:28 PM, Joe Kramer wrote:

> WOlastic is no longer supported by Ubermind.  Here's the info that I got from 
> our engineer who was behind WOlastic:

Thanks a lot for that.  The topic has come up a couple of times on the list 
lately, and it's handy to have that confirmed.


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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-24 Thread Joe Kramer
Hi Paul and gang,

WOlastic is no longer supported by Ubermind.  Here's the info that I got
from our engineer who was behind WOlastic:

The original intent of WOlastic was to quickly deploy secure WO applications
> into the cloud. -- Public AMI's that were prepackaged were probably great
> for the time but now it doesn't seem as relevant as you could probably
> script the entire process with official AMI's that are maintained by the
> major Linux distros.  I'll probably take down the Public AMI's later this
> week that I initially put up for WOlastic.  I did a couple updates to the
> AMI's, they were barely used, so I stopped supporting them.


 Thanks,

Joe

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On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Paul Hoadley  wrote:

> I agree with Jesse's sentiment, but just to fill in some blanks...
>
> On 24/02/2011, at 1:32 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote:
>
> > do NOT use WOLastic
>
> WOlastic _seems_ to be abandonware.  It doesn't look like their website has
> been updated since mid-2009, and their AMIs seem to be of a similar vintage.
>  WOlastic may work just fine (I have no idea, I've never tried it), but if I
> was starting from scratch I would prefer to use something that hasn't been
> obviously abandoned.
>
> (Is anyone from Ubermind on the list?  It would be useful to get
> confirmation that WOlastic has, indeed, been abandoned.)
>
> > check out simon's install scripts
>
> Simon McLean has put up some scripts you can use as a starting point for
> automating your own deployments to EC2:
>
>
> http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Automated+Deployment+on+Amazon+EC2
>
> I haven't used those particular scripts, but eyeballing them they _seem_ to
> be dependent on the pre-rolled appserver AMIs, also supplied by Simon.
>
> (Simon, can you confirm that?  Is the numbered list of "steps taken" at the
> top out of sync with what's actually happening with launch.sh?  launch.sh
> requires an AMI ID, but it's not clear whether the example used
> (ami-38c33651) is a pristine Amazon Linux image (that ID doesn't match
> anything current) or one of your pre-rolled appserver images.  It looks like
> helloworld-userdata.sh is doing some of the work that used to be done in
> wo-install.sh, is that right?  Actually, I see that wo-install.sh is still
> being fetched and run.  In that case, it's not clear to me what that
> particular image is, and why it would be listed as a "Public WO AMI" on the
> other wiki page.)
>
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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Paul Hoadley
On 24/02/2011, at 12:01 PM, Simon wrote:

> ps. the pre-rolled ami i put up some time ago should also be
> considered defunct. i'll remove it from the wiki now...


Great.  Remove that whole section ("Public WO AMIs"), as there don't seem to be 
_any_ that are maintained any more.  Jesse, scratch what I suggested about 
reverting your changes to the table, we'll just kill the whole section.


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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Paul Hoadley
Hi Jesse,

On 24/02/2011, at 11:50 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote:

> On Feb 23, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Paul Hoadley wrote:
> 
>> I haven't used those particular scripts, but eyeballing them they _seem_ to 
>> be dependent on the pre-rolled appserver AMIs, also supplied by Simon.
> 
> It does work with public AMIs - not simon dependent.

Thanks for confirming.

> The install scripts are designed to illustrate a process by which a clean 
> instance of whatever compatible sort gets a consistent installation
> 
> I'll let Simon elaborate as he is the originator
> 
> But maybe two pages of documentation should be combined? Here's some AMIs 
> that also run WO, which might better just be part of the EC2 page you refer 
> to?
> 
> http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+on+Amazon+EC2
> 
> I'd like to get the docs clear for all to enjoy, so let me know what people 
> think about moving this all to a single page or whatever is clear.

I completely agree, go ahead.  There is no benefit to the current two page 
setup.

(Aside: The original intent of the table on the "Deploying on Amazon EC2" page 
was to list _pre-rolled_ appserver images.  ami-de91bbaa, for example, is an 
image of an appserver that's ready to go, out of the box, as were the WOlastic 
images (which, I agree, are probably best removed).  IMHO, you should remove 
the two you've added below it, and change the explanatory text back to reflect 
that the table lists appserver images, not images from which an appserver could 
possibly be made, as the latter is a long list.  For one thing, ami-38c33651 is 
not current according to the list here: http://aws.amazon.com/amazon-linux-ami/ 
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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Simon
> I haven't used those particular scripts, but eyeballing them they _seem_ to 
> be dependent on the pre-rolled appserver AMIs, also supplied by Simon.

nope. they are designed to be used with a scratch linux ami. we use
amazon linux. the ami id's are likely to be different because amazon
used to change them as they updated them. i don't think they do that
anymore.

but basically the scripts should work with any RHEL compatible linux distro.

simon

ps. the pre-rolled ami i put up some time ago should also be
considered defunct. i'll remove it from the wiki now...
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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Jesse Tayler

On Feb 23, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Paul Hoadley wrote:

> I haven't used those particular scripts, but eyeballing them they _seem_ to 
> be dependent on the pre-rolled appserver AMIs, also supplied by Simon.


It does work with public AMIs - not simon dependent.

The install scripts are designed to illustrate a process by which a clean 
instance of whatever compatible sort gets a consistent installation

I'll let Simon elaborate as he is the originator

But maybe two pages of documentation should be combined? Here's some AMIs that 
also run WO, which might better just be part of the EC2 page you refer to?

http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+on+Amazon+EC2

I'd like to get the docs clear for all to enjoy, so let me know what people 
think about moving this all to a single page or whatever is clear.


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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Paul Hoadley
I agree with Jesse's sentiment, but just to fill in some blanks...

On 24/02/2011, at 1:32 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote:

> do NOT use WOLastic

WOlastic _seems_ to be abandonware.  It doesn't look like their website has 
been updated since mid-2009, and their AMIs seem to be of a similar vintage.  
WOlastic may work just fine (I have no idea, I've never tried it), but if I was 
starting from scratch I would prefer to use something that hasn't been 
obviously abandoned.

(Is anyone from Ubermind on the list?  It would be useful to get confirmation 
that WOlastic has, indeed, been abandoned.)

> check out simon's install scripts

Simon McLean has put up some scripts you can use as a starting point for 
automating your own deployments to EC2:

http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Automated+Deployment+on+Amazon+EC2

I haven't used those particular scripts, but eyeballing them they _seem_ to be 
dependent on the pre-rolled appserver AMIs, also supplied by Simon.

(Simon, can you confirm that?  Is the numbered list of "steps taken" at the top 
out of sync with what's actually happening with launch.sh?  launch.sh requires 
an AMI ID, but it's not clear whether the example used (ami-38c33651) is a 
pristine Amazon Linux image (that ID doesn't match anything current) or one of 
your pre-rolled appserver images.  It looks like helloworld-userdata.sh is 
doing some of the work that used to be done in wo-install.sh, is that right?  
Actually, I see that wo-install.sh is still being fetched and run.  In that 
case, it's not clear to me what that particular image is, and why it would be 
listed as a "Public WO AMI" on the other wiki page.)


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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Martin Samm
we use it to do manage 2 environments (test and live).

Within that we add config for each node (app server, db, web server) and
then use puppet to manage all the dependencies (s/w and refs to each other)
as well as URL handling etc etc.

The, here, is that adding a node is a matter of adding to ec2, installing
puppet on it amend puppet config and then refreshing each node to a) tell
them about the new node and b) get the new node to install all the requisite
s/w onto itself.

Its great for ensuring all the nodes are consistent. I would say the learnig
curve is quite steep; i inherited the initial setup so had a basis to learn.

Now i've got a handle in it, its great.



On 23 February 2011 22:19, Jesse Tayler  wrote:

>
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Martin Samm wrote:
>
> > We then use Puppet to automate installing an array of required packages
> etc.
>
> oh?
>
> got scripts or examples?
>
> sounds like an approach we might want to document
>
> the examples we have require just a few dependancies - is Puppet good for a
> larger docket or good for revision control?
>
>
>


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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Jesse Tayler

On Feb 23, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Martin Samm wrote:

> We then use Puppet to automate installing an array of required packages etc.

oh?

got scripts or examples?

sounds like an approach we might want to document

the examples we have require just a few dependancies - is Puppet good for a 
larger docket or good for revision control?


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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Martin Samm
Jesse,

we're running on a couple of Ubuntu AMIs; one is now a bit old and defunct
but we've recently switched to

ami-88f504e1

this is

Ubuntu Lucid Lynx LTS

We then use Puppet to automate installing an array of required packages etc.

regards

Martin

On 23 February 2011 22:02, Jesse Tayler  wrote:

> I've done some updating of the wiki page, if anyone has validated other
> AMIs you can list them or send to me and I'll list them - also any
> suggestions, comments or ideas.
>
> http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+on+Amazon+EC2
>
>
> http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Automated+Deployment+on+Amazon+EC2
>
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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Jesse Tayler
I've done some updating of the wiki page, if anyone has validated other AMIs 
you can list them or send to me and I'll list them - also any suggestions, 
comments or ideas.

http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+on+Amazon+EC2

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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Kevin Hinkson


On Feb 23, 2011, at 17:53, Paul Hoadley  wrote:

> Hi Kevin,
> 
> On 24/02/2011, at 3:25 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone have any recommendations as to which AMI to use in the US (east 
>> or west). The ami used in Simon's example works fine but is only available 
>> in the EU. It looks to me like a basic 64 bit Amazon Linux AMI on EBS. Can I 
>> use the current 64 bit base ami or should I be using another? 
> 
> In my opinion, you should choose from these:
> 
> http://aws.amazon.com/amazon-linux-ami/

Thanks. 

> 
> These are Linux-based images produced by Amazon, and they claim they will 
> keep them up-to-date and secure. I have several WO applications deployed to 
> instances running one of those AMIs.
> 
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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Paul Hoadley
Hi Kevin,

On 24/02/2011, at 3:25 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:

> Does anyone have any recommendations as to which AMI to use in the US (east 
> or west). The ami used in Simon's example works fine but is only available in 
> the EU. It looks to me like a basic 64 bit Amazon Linux AMI on EBS. Can I use 
> the current 64 bit base ami or should I be using another? 

In my opinion, you should choose from these:

http://aws.amazon.com/amazon-linux-ami/

These are Linux-based images produced by Amazon, and they claim they will keep 
them up-to-date and secure. I have several WO applications deployed to 
instances running one of those AMIs.


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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Jesse Tayler
I've had no troubles using AMIs of the same Unix variant, right now, I have 
this in the US region:

ami-38c33651

It's a "tiny" instance which works great for testing, but I've noticed the 
memory overhead is so low -- that if you try to launch more than one 
application instance, you'll be unceremoniously killed by the Java VM and 
you'll not even get a backtrace. scary until you realize.

I've used various sizes and locations EU and US by altering my setup scripts 
successfully and without much trouble at all.

I'll try to capture some of this on the wiki pages later today.


On Feb 23, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:

> 
> Does anyone have any recommendations as to which AMI to use in the US (east 
> or west). The ami used in Simon's example works fine but is only available in 
> the EU. It looks to me like a basic 64 bit Amazon Linux AMI on EBS. Can I use 
> the current 64 bit base ami or should I be using another? 
> 
> On 2011-02-23, at 11:09 AM, James Cicenia wrote:
> 
>> Simons scripts with a small amount of editing worked great. And I now love 
>> amazon.. More than my old Xserves which had performed flawlessly
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Jesse Tayler  wrote:
>> 
>>> do NOT use WOLastic
>>> 
>>> those pages should get taken down, it is not a good way to setup
>>> 
>>> check out simon's install scripts or check back in threads about amazon to 
>>> see how to get that working.
>>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:
>>> 
 Kevin
 
 Try to do a sudo passwd on the root account.
 
 Paul
 On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:
 
> Hi,
> I setup an Amazon EC2 instance using the WOlastic image listed here 
> (ami-0be80962):http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+on+Amazon+EC2
> However, I have not been able to find the su password for this image so I 
> can drop to root. This question was also asked on the google groups 
> support page referenced on the WOlastic website.
> 
> Has anyone else used this image and happens to know what the root 
> password is?
> 
> I should also mention that I have been able to get all my webobjects apps 
> running on the instance and backed by postgres on Amazon EBS and the 
> reason I need root is to setup Virual Hosts in Apache. If that approach 
> is wrong or anyone knows of a better way to setup the hosts other than on 
> the EC2 image, please let me know.
> 
> I would also be grateful for any other advice for using Amazon AWS.
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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Kevin Hinkson

Does anyone have any recommendations as to which AMI to use in the US (east or 
west). The ami used in Simon's example works fine but is only available in the 
EU. It looks to me like a basic 64 bit Amazon Linux AMI on EBS. Can I use the 
current 64 bit base ami or should I be using another? 

On 2011-02-23, at 11:09 AM, James Cicenia wrote:

> Simons scripts with a small amount of editing worked great. And I now love 
> amazon.. More than my old Xserves which had performed flawlessly
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Jesse Tayler  wrote:
> 
>> do NOT use WOLastic
>> 
>> those pages should get taken down, it is not a good way to setup
>> 
>> check out simon's install scripts or check back in threads about amazon to 
>> see how to get that working.
>> 
>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:
>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
>>> Try to do a sudo passwd on the root account.
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 I setup an Amazon EC2 instance using the WOlastic image listed here 
 (ami-0be80962):http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+on+Amazon+EC2
 However, I have not been able to find the su password for this image so I 
 can drop to root. This question was also asked on the google groups 
 support page referenced on the WOlastic website.
 
 Has anyone else used this image and happens to know what the root password 
 is?
 
 I should also mention that I have been able to get all my webobjects apps 
 running on the instance and backed by postgres on Amazon EBS and the 
 reason I need root is to setup Virual Hosts in Apache. If that approach is 
 wrong or anyone knows of a better way to setup the hosts other than on the 
 EC2 image, please let me know.
 
 I would also be grateful for any other advice for using Amazon AWS.
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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Pascal Robert

Le 2011-02-23 à 10:57, Jesse Tayler a écrit :

> Glad to! 
> 
> As I recall, I wasn't able to update their website or blog or contact whoever 
> set it up, but we can make sure our wiki makes it clear it isn't supported.
> 
> Where's a page on a wiki I can alter?
> 
> I'd love to help write up some data about the Simon approach, I've done it 
> here and I'm very happy with the control and result.
> 
> If you know what page I can alter, I'll take a few hours to update it with 
> some facts et al.

http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+on+Amazon+EC2
http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Automated+Deployment+on+Amazon+EC2

> 
> 
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Ramsey Gurley wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jesse,
>> 
>> If they don't work or are out of date, I would suggest making note of that 
>> on the wiki. Whoever put them there was nice enough to do so when it was 
>> relevant, but that person is not obligated to maintain it forever.  If the 
>> info is no longer correct and you know about it, do the community a favor 
>> and update the page when you have the time.  Link to the more relevant stuff 
>> at the top of the old page and/or make note on the page where you know 
>> things have changed and are now wrong.
>> 
>> Pascal and a few others work hard at maintaining the wiki, but it is still a 
>> community effort. They will appreciate your efforts (^_^)
>> 
>> Ramsey
>> 
>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote:
>> 
>>> they don't work and aren't supported -
>>> 
>>> they are leftover and should get removed, but of course whoever put it up 
>>> abandoned it in place so people read it and thing it might work.
>>> 
>>> there have been changes in how you can setup a server, now it is best like 
>>> "Simon says" to use a generic instance and configure it using scripts and 
>>> you're done and you have control.
>>> 
>>> works great.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:06 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:
>>> 
 
 On 2011-02-23, at 11:02 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote:
 
> do NOT use WOLastic
> 
> those pages should get taken down, it is not a good way to setup
 
 Out of curiosity, why is it not a good way to setup?
 
> 
> check out simon's install scripts or check back in threads about amazon 
> to see how to get that working.
> 
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:
> 
>> Kevin
>> 
>> Try to do a sudo passwd on the root account.
>> 
>> Paul
>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I setup an Amazon EC2 instance using the WOlastic image listed here 
>>> (ami-0be80962):http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+on+Amazon+EC2
>>> However, I have not been able to find the su password for this image so 
>>> I can drop to root. This question was also asked on the google groups 
>>> support page referenced on the WOlastic website.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone else used this image and happens to know what the root 
>>> password is?
>>> 
>>> I should also mention that I have been able to get all my webobjects 
>>> apps running on the instance and backed by postgres on Amazon EBS and 
>>> the reason I need root is to setup Virual Hosts in Apache. If that 
>>> approach is wrong or anyone knows of a better way to setup the hosts 
>>> other than on the EC2 image, please let me know.
>>> 
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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Jesse Tayler
Glad to! 

As I recall, I wasn't able to update their website or blog or contact whoever 
set it up, but we can make sure our wiki makes it clear it isn't supported.

Where's a page on a wiki I can alter?

I'd love to help write up some data about the Simon approach, I've done it here 
and I'm very happy with the control and result.

If you know what page I can alter, I'll take a few hours to update it with some 
facts et al.



On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Ramsey Gurley wrote:

> Hi Jesse,
> 
> If they don't work or are out of date, I would suggest making note of that on 
> the wiki. Whoever put them there was nice enough to do so when it was 
> relevant, but that person is not obligated to maintain it forever.  If the 
> info is no longer correct and you know about it, do the community a favor and 
> update the page when you have the time.  Link to the more relevant stuff at 
> the top of the old page and/or make note on the page where you know things 
> have changed and are now wrong.
> 
> Pascal and a few others work hard at maintaining the wiki, but it is still a 
> community effort. They will appreciate your efforts (^_^)
> 
> Ramsey
> 
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote:
> 
>> they don't work and aren't supported -
>> 
>> they are leftover and should get removed, but of course whoever put it up 
>> abandoned it in place so people read it and thing it might work.
>> 
>> there have been changes in how you can setup a server, now it is best like 
>> "Simon says" to use a generic instance and configure it using scripts and 
>> you're done and you have control.
>> 
>> works great.
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:06 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2011-02-23, at 11:02 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote:
>>> 
 do NOT use WOLastic
 
 those pages should get taken down, it is not a good way to setup
>>> 
>>> Out of curiosity, why is it not a good way to setup?
>>> 
 
 check out simon's install scripts or check back in threads about amazon to 
 see how to get that working.
 
 On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:
 
> Kevin
> 
> Try to do a sudo passwd on the root account.
> 
> Paul
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I setup an Amazon EC2 instance using the WOlastic image listed here 
>> (ami-0be80962):http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+on+Amazon+EC2
>> However, I have not been able to find the su password for this image so 
>> I can drop to root. This question was also asked on the google groups 
>> support page referenced on the WOlastic website.
>> 
>> Has anyone else used this image and happens to know what the root 
>> password is?
>> 
>> I should also mention that I have been able to get all my webobjects 
>> apps running on the instance and backed by postgres on Amazon EBS and 
>> the reason I need root is to setup Virual Hosts in Apache. If that 
>> approach is wrong or anyone knows of a better way to setup the hosts 
>> other than on the EC2 image, please let me know.
>> 
>> I would also be grateful for any other advice for using Amazon AWS.
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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Ramsey Gurley
Hi Jesse,

If they don't work or are out of date, I would suggest making note of that on 
the wiki. Whoever put them there was nice enough to do so when it was relevant, 
but that person is not obligated to maintain it forever.  If the info is no 
longer correct and you know about it, do the community a favor and update the 
page when you have the time.  Link to the more relevant stuff at the top of the 
old page and/or make note on the page where you know things have changed and 
are now wrong.

Pascal and a few others work hard at maintaining the wiki, but it is still a 
community effort. They will appreciate your efforts (^_^)

Ramsey

On Feb 23, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote:

> they don't work and aren't supported -
> 
> they are leftover and should get removed, but of course whoever put it up 
> abandoned it in place so people read it and thing it might work.
> 
> there have been changes in how you can setup a server, now it is best like 
> "Simon says" to use a generic instance and configure it using scripts and 
> you're done and you have control.
> 
> works great.
> 
> 
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:06 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 2011-02-23, at 11:02 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote:
>> 
>>> do NOT use WOLastic
>>> 
>>> those pages should get taken down, it is not a good way to setup
>> 
>> Out of curiosity, why is it not a good way to setup?
>> 
>>> 
>>> check out simon's install scripts or check back in threads about amazon to 
>>> see how to get that working.
>>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:
>>> 
 Kevin
 
 Try to do a sudo passwd on the root account.
 
 Paul
 On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:
 
> Hi,
> I setup an Amazon EC2 instance using the WOlastic image listed here 
> (ami-0be80962):http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+on+Amazon+EC2
> However, I have not been able to find the su password for this image so I 
> can drop to root. This question was also asked on the google groups 
> support page referenced on the WOlastic website.
> 
> Has anyone else used this image and happens to know what the root 
> password is?
> 
> I should also mention that I have been able to get all my webobjects apps 
> running on the instance and backed by postgres on Amazon EBS and the 
> reason I need root is to setup Virual Hosts in Apache. If that approach 
> is wrong or anyone knows of a better way to setup the hosts other than on 
> the EC2 image, please let me know.
> 
> I would also be grateful for any other advice for using Amazon AWS.
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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Kevin Hinkson

On 2011-02-23, at 11:15 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote:

> they don't work and aren't supported -
> 
> they are leftover and should get removed, but of course whoever put it up 
> abandoned it in place so people read it and thing it might work.
> 
> there have been changes in how you can setup a server, now it is best like 
> "Simon says" to use a generic instance and configure it using scripts and 
> you're done and you have control.
> 
> works great.

Thanks Jesse. I'll take a look at those setup scripts.

> 
> 
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:06 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 2011-02-23, at 11:02 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote:
>> 
>>> do NOT use WOLastic
>>> 
>>> those pages should get taken down, it is not a good way to setup
>> 
>> Out of curiosity, why is it not a good way to setup?
>> 
>>> 
>>> check out simon's install scripts or check back in threads about amazon to 
>>> see how to get that working.
>>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:
>>> 
 Kevin
 
 Try to do a sudo passwd on the root account.
 
 Paul
 On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:
 
> Hi,
> I setup an Amazon EC2 instance using the WOlastic image listed here 
> (ami-0be80962):http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+on+Amazon+EC2
> However, I have not been able to find the su password for this image so I 
> can drop to root. This question was also asked on the google groups 
> support page referenced on the WOlastic website.
> 
> Has anyone else used this image and happens to know what the root 
> password is?
> 
> I should also mention that I have been able to get all my webobjects apps 
> running on the instance and backed by postgres on Amazon EBS and the 
> reason I need root is to setup Virual Hosts in Apache. If that approach 
> is wrong or anyone knows of a better way to setup the hosts other than on 
> the EC2 image, please let me know.
> 
> I would also be grateful for any other advice for using Amazon AWS.
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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Kevin Hinkson

On 2011-02-23, at 11:00 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:

> Kevin
> 
> Try to do a sudo passwd on the root account.

Thanks Paul. That worked.

> 
> Paul
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I setup an Amazon EC2 instance using the WOlastic image listed here 
>> (ami-0be80962):http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+on+Amazon+EC2
>> However, I have not been able to find the su password for this image so I 
>> can drop to root. This question was also asked on the google groups support 
>> page referenced on the WOlastic website.
>> 
>> Has anyone else used this image and happens to know what the root password 
>> is?
>> 
>> I should also mention that I have been able to get all my webobjects apps 
>> running on the instance and backed by postgres on Amazon EBS and the reason 
>> I need root is to setup Virual Hosts in Apache. If that approach is wrong or 
>> anyone knows of a better way to setup the hosts other than on the EC2 image, 
>> please let me know.
>> 
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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Jesse Tayler
they don't work and aren't supported -

they are leftover and should get removed, but of course whoever put it up 
abandoned it in place so people read it and thing it might work.

there have been changes in how you can setup a server, now it is best like 
"Simon says" to use a generic instance and configure it using scripts and 
you're done and you have control.

works great.


On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:06 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:

> 
> On 2011-02-23, at 11:02 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote:
> 
>> do NOT use WOLastic
>> 
>> those pages should get taken down, it is not a good way to setup
> 
> Out of curiosity, why is it not a good way to setup?
> 
>> 
>> check out simon's install scripts or check back in threads about amazon to 
>> see how to get that working.
>> 
>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:
>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
>>> Try to do a sudo passwd on the root account.
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 I setup an Amazon EC2 instance using the WOlastic image listed here 
 (ami-0be80962):http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+on+Amazon+EC2
 However, I have not been able to find the su password for this image so I 
 can drop to root. This question was also asked on the google groups 
 support page referenced on the WOlastic website.
 
 Has anyone else used this image and happens to know what the root password 
 is?
 
 I should also mention that I have been able to get all my webobjects apps 
 running on the instance and backed by postgres on Amazon EBS and the 
 reason I need root is to setup Virual Hosts in Apache. If that approach is 
 wrong or anyone knows of a better way to setup the hosts other than on the 
 EC2 image, please let me know.
 
 I would also be grateful for any other advice for using Amazon AWS.
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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread James Cicenia
Simons scripts with a small amount of editing worked great. And I now love 
amazon.. More than my old Xserves which had performed flawlessly

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Jesse Tayler  wrote:

> do NOT use WOLastic
> 
> those pages should get taken down, it is not a good way to setup
> 
> check out simon's install scripts or check back in threads about amazon to 
> see how to get that working.
> 
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:
> 
>> Kevin
>> 
>> Try to do a sudo passwd on the root account.
>> 
>> Paul
>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I setup an Amazon EC2 instance using the WOlastic image listed here 
>>> (ami-0be80962):http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+on+Amazon+EC2
>>> However, I have not been able to find the su password for this image so I 
>>> can drop to root. This question was also asked on the google groups support 
>>> page referenced on the WOlastic website.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone else used this image and happens to know what the root password 
>>> is?
>>> 
>>> I should also mention that I have been able to get all my webobjects apps 
>>> running on the instance and backed by postgres on Amazon EBS and the reason 
>>> I need root is to setup Virual Hosts in Apache. If that approach is wrong 
>>> or anyone knows of a better way to setup the hosts other than on the EC2 
>>> image, please let me know.
>>> 
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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Kevin Hinkson

On 2011-02-23, at 11:02 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote:

> do NOT use WOLastic
> 
> those pages should get taken down, it is not a good way to setup

Out of curiosity, why is it not a good way to setup?

> 
> check out simon's install scripts or check back in threads about amazon to 
> see how to get that working.
> 
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:
> 
>> Kevin
>> 
>> Try to do a sudo passwd on the root account.
>> 
>> Paul
>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I setup an Amazon EC2 instance using the WOlastic image listed here 
>>> (ami-0be80962):http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+on+Amazon+EC2
>>> However, I have not been able to find the su password for this image so I 
>>> can drop to root. This question was also asked on the google groups support 
>>> page referenced on the WOlastic website.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone else used this image and happens to know what the root password 
>>> is?
>>> 
>>> I should also mention that I have been able to get all my webobjects apps 
>>> running on the instance and backed by postgres on Amazon EBS and the reason 
>>> I need root is to setup Virual Hosts in Apache. If that approach is wrong 
>>> or anyone knows of a better way to setup the hosts other than on the EC2 
>>> image, please let me know.
>>> 
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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Jesse Tayler
do NOT use WOLastic

those pages should get taken down, it is not a good way to setup

check out simon's install scripts or check back in threads about amazon to see 
how to get that working.

On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:

> Kevin
> 
> Try to do a sudo passwd on the root account.
> 
> Paul
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I setup an Amazon EC2 instance using the WOlastic image listed here 
>> (ami-0be80962):http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+on+Amazon+EC2
>> However, I have not been able to find the su password for this image so I 
>> can drop to root. This question was also asked on the google groups support 
>> page referenced on the WOlastic website.
>> 
>> Has anyone else used this image and happens to know what the root password 
>> is?
>> 
>> I should also mention that I have been able to get all my webobjects apps 
>> running on the instance and backed by postgres on Amazon EBS and the reason 
>> I need root is to setup Virual Hosts in Apache. If that approach is wrong or 
>> anyone knows of a better way to setup the hosts other than on the EC2 image, 
>> please let me know.
>> 
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Re: Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Paul D Yu
Kevin

Try to do a sudo passwd on the root account.

Paul
On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Kevin Hinkson wrote:

> Hi,
> I setup an Amazon EC2 instance using the WOlastic image listed here 
> (ami-0be80962):http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+on+Amazon+EC2
> However, I have not been able to find the su password for this image so I can 
> drop to root. This question was also asked on the google groups support page 
> referenced on the WOlastic website.
> 
> Has anyone else used this image and happens to know what the root password is?
> 
> I should also mention that I have been able to get all my webobjects apps 
> running on the instance and backed by postgres on Amazon EBS and the reason I 
> need root is to setup Virual Hosts in Apache. If that approach is wrong or 
> anyone knows of a better way to setup the hosts other than on the EC2 image, 
> please let me know.
> 
> I would also be grateful for any other advice for using Amazon AWS.
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Amazon EC2 Image

2011-02-23 Thread Kevin Hinkson
Hi,
I setup an Amazon EC2 instance using the WOlastic image listed here 
(ami-0be80962):http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+on+Amazon+EC2
However, I have not been able to find the su password for this image so I can 
drop to root. This question was also asked on the google groups support page 
referenced on the WOlastic website.

Has anyone else used this image and happens to know what the root password is?

I should also mention that I have been able to get all my webobjects apps 
running on the instance and backed by postgres on Amazon EBS and the reason I 
need root is to setup Virual Hosts in Apache. If that approach is wrong or 
anyone knows of a better way to setup the hosts other than on the EC2 image, 
please let me know.

I would also be grateful for any other advice for using Amazon AWS. ___
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