Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

[Jeevan Jose]

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Eduardo Testart 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I was thinking, it is possible to create some sort of hall of fame
> from/for
> > Wikipedia? It would be nice that stories like this one get a place to
> stay
> > in time.
> >
>
> Many wikis have a project-space page to commemorate deceased
> Wikipedians[1].  There also exists a putative central location on Meta, but
> it's underutilized.  Nonetheless, because I agree this was a eulogy worth
> sharing, I have now pasted it there[2].
>
>Asaf
>

An admin added the username to
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

[Arun Ramarathnam]

On 5 March 2015 at 20:37, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)  wrote:

> Wikiuser:BabuG


Thanks Viswa for sharing the contributions and life of Babug - His story
has been truly inspiring and touching. It is people like him, their passion
and their lives that would continue to inspire the rest of us to stay
focused on contributing to wikipedia. It gives a whole different meaning
and purpose to these voluntary contributions.

Surely a stalwart like him would be dearly missed. Condolences to his
family and all wikimedians.

Perhaps we should consider starting a project or an award in his memory for
the malayalam community.

regards
Arun
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

[Andreas Kolbe]

Dear Viswa,

Thank you for letting us know, and for writing such a beautiful text in
memory of your friend. Please send my condolences to his son.

Much love,
Andreas

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:07 PM, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) 
wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians all over the world,
>
> One of our stalwarts at ml Wikimedia community, Wikiuser:BabuG
>  (
> https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Babug)  expired yesterday night.
>
> Despite having paralyzed due to a severe stroke and severely affected by
> several subsequent health problems, he was guided to Wikipedia by his son,
> Dr. Ajay, another prominent Malayalam Wikipedian, as a possible remedy to
> escape perpetual loneliness.
>
> His real world name was G. Balachandran.He was born on 14th October 1938 in
> a small village off North Parur, Ernakulam District, Kerala, the
> Southernmost state of India.He  joined the Armed Forces Engineering College
> and then continued to serve the Indian Armed forces for long many years.
>
> He started contributing to Wikimedia, particularly to Malayalam Wikipedia,
> in the year 2008.
>
> His initial contributions to Malayalam Wikipedia were based upon a
> pulp-converted digital Encyclopedia, released by the Government through
> GFDL licence then.  He continued to create even more full-featured articles
> on his own, later. By 2014 October 18 - the day he edited last in
> Wikipedia- he had 1935 full-blown articles initiated and expanded by
> himself in ml.wikipedia.org. Besides, he also contributed more than 350
> images to Wikimedia commons and a handsome  amount of contributions to
> Wikisource, Wikidata and Wiktionary.
>
> He always attributed his renewed energy and life's aspirations to the
> Wikimedia mission, for having returned to a meaningful life after a 20-year
> long and frustrating solitude while constrained to an immobile chair. Ever
> since 2008, he stood up and started walking and moving around. His was an
> extreme example for us in Malayalam WP to showcase how Wikipedia can change
> lives.
>
> In almost all our Wikipedia Outreach sessions, we utilized this great
> example to motivate and excite the newcomers to WP.
>
> Tory Read mentioned about BabuG thus, in a document
> , a  review
> on the state of Indian Wikimedia Communities, in 2011:
>
> G. Balachandran, a septuagenarian who lives outside of Ernakulum in Kerala
> > state, said that working on Malayalam Wikipedia helped him recover after
> a
> > stroke left him paralyzed. “He’s much sharper now,” said his wife
> Jagadamma
> > K. “He’s made a lot of new friends, and that’s been good for his health.”
>
>
> For us in Malayalam Wikipedia, today is a black day, for having lost a
> great beacon on our voyage to ultimate openness and freedom in knowledge
> and wisdom.
>
>
> Yet, we feel, BabuG has made his life stamped immortal for ever and has
> shown us the pathway we should follow in continuing our humble
> contributions to the ultimate cause of mankind.
>
>
> -ViswaPrabha
> (On behalf of Malayalam Wikimedia Community)
> http://ml.wikipedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

[Katy Love]

Thank you for this tribute and for sharing more about BabuG. I appreciated
the chance to learn about him, how he came to Wikipedia, and the depth of
his experience on the sites. His story inspires me.

My condolences and sympathies are with you, BabuG's family, and the
Malayalam community on this difficult day.

Katy

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:07 AM, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) 
wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians all over the world,
>
> One of our stalwarts at ml Wikimedia community, Wikiuser:BabuG
>  (
> https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Babug)  expired yesterday night.
>
> Despite having paralyzed due to a severe stroke and severely affected by
> several subsequent health problems, he was guided to Wikipedia by his son,
> Dr. Ajay, another prominent Malayalam Wikipedian, as a possible remedy to
> escape perpetual loneliness.
>
> His real world name was G. Balachandran.He was born on 14th October 1938 in
> a small village off North Parur, Ernakulam District, Kerala, the
> Southernmost state of India.He  joined the Armed Forces Engineering College
> and then continued to serve the Indian Armed forces for long many years.
>
> He started contributing to Wikimedia, particularly to Malayalam Wikipedia,
> in the year 2008.
>
> His initial contributions to Malayalam Wikipedia were based upon a
> pulp-converted digital Encyclopedia, released by the Government through
> GFDL licence then.  He continued to create even more full-featured articles
> on his own, later. By 2014 October 18 - the day he edited last in
> Wikipedia- he had 1935 full-blown articles initiated and expanded by
> himself in ml.wikipedia.org. Besides, he also contributed more than 350
> images to Wikimedia commons and a handsome  amount of contributions to
> Wikisource, Wikidata and Wiktionary.
>
> He always attributed his renewed energy and life's aspirations to the
> Wikimedia mission, for having returned to a meaningful life after a 20-year
> long and frustrating solitude while constrained to an immobile chair. Ever
> since 2008, he stood up and started walking and moving around. His was an
> extreme example for us in Malayalam WP to showcase how Wikipedia can change
> lives.
>
> In almost all our Wikipedia Outreach sessions, we utilized this great
> example to motivate and excite the newcomers to WP.
>
> Tory Read mentioned about BabuG thus, in a document
> , a  review
> on the state of Indian Wikimedia Communities, in 2011:
>
> G. Balachandran, a septuagenarian who lives outside of Ernakulum in Kerala
> > state, said that working on Malayalam Wikipedia helped him recover after
> a
> > stroke left him paralyzed. “He’s much sharper now,” said his wife
> Jagadamma
> > K. “He’s made a lot of new friends, and that’s been good for his health.”
>
>
> For us in Malayalam Wikipedia, today is a black day, for having lost a
> great beacon on our voyage to ultimate openness and freedom in knowledge
> and wisdom.
>
>
> Yet, we feel, BabuG has made his life stamped immortal for ever and has
> shown us the pathway we should follow in continuing our humble
> contributions to the ultimate cause of mankind.
>
>
> -ViswaPrabha
> (On behalf of Malayalam Wikimedia Community)
> http://ml.wikipedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

[Asaf Bartov]

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Eduardo Testart  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I was thinking, it is possible to create some sort of hall of fame from/for
> Wikipedia? It would be nice that stories like this one get a place to stay
> in time.
>

Many wikis have a project-space page to commemorate deceased
Wikipedians[1].  There also exists a putative central location on Meta, but
it's underutilized.  Nonetheless, because I agree this was a eulogy worth
sharing, I have now pasted it there[2].

   Asaf

[1] some are listed here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deceased_editors#See_also
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deceased_editors

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

[Sydney Poore]

Thank you for sharing the history of  G. Balachandran's work on Wikipedia,
and his death. Condolences for your loss.

Warm regards,
Sydney
User:FloNight

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Wikipedian in Residence
at Cochrane Collaboration

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:07 AM, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) 
wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians all over the world,
>
> One of our stalwarts at ml Wikimedia community, Wikiuser:BabuG
>  (
> https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Babug)  expired yesterday night.
>
> Despite having paralyzed due to a severe stroke and severely affected by
> several subsequent health problems, he was guided to Wikipedia by his son,
> Dr. Ajay, another prominent Malayalam Wikipedian, as a possible remedy to
> escape perpetual loneliness.
>
> His real world name was G. Balachandran.He was born on 14th October 1938 in
> a small village off North Parur, Ernakulam District, Kerala, the
> Southernmost state of India.He  joined the Armed Forces Engineering College
> and then continued to serve the Indian Armed forces for long many years.
>
> He started contributing to Wikimedia, particularly to Malayalam Wikipedia,
> in the year 2008.
>
> His initial contributions to Malayalam Wikipedia were based upon a
> pulp-converted digital Encyclopedia, released by the Government through
> GFDL licence then.  He continued to create even more full-featured articles
> on his own, later. By 2014 October 18 - the day he edited last in
> Wikipedia- he had 1935 full-blown articles initiated and expanded by
> himself in ml.wikipedia.org. Besides, he also contributed more than 350
> images to Wikimedia commons and a handsome  amount of contributions to
> Wikisource, Wikidata and Wiktionary.
>
> He always attributed his renewed energy and life's aspirations to the
> Wikimedia mission, for having returned to a meaningful life after a 20-year
> long and frustrating solitude while constrained to an immobile chair. Ever
> since 2008, he stood up and started walking and moving around. His was an
> extreme example for us in Malayalam WP to showcase how Wikipedia can change
> lives.
>
> In almost all our Wikipedia Outreach sessions, we utilized this great
> example to motivate and excite the newcomers to WP.
>
> Tory Read mentioned about BabuG thus, in a document
> , a  review
> on the state of Indian Wikimedia Communities, in 2011:
>
> G. Balachandran, a septuagenarian who lives outside of Ernakulum in Kerala
> > state, said that working on Malayalam Wikipedia helped him recover after
> a
> > stroke left him paralyzed. “He’s much sharper now,” said his wife
> Jagadamma
> > K. “He’s made a lot of new friends, and that’s been good for his health.”
>
>
> For us in Malayalam Wikipedia, today is a black day, for having lost a
> great beacon on our voyage to ultimate openness and freedom in knowledge
> and wisdom.
>
>
> Yet, we feel, BabuG has made his life stamped immortal for ever and has
> shown us the pathway we should follow in continuing our humble
> contributions to the ultimate cause of mankind.
>
>
> -ViswaPrabha
> (On behalf of Malayalam Wikimedia Community)
> http://ml.wikipedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

[Eduardo Testart]

Hi all,

I was thinking, it is possible to create some sort of hall of fame from/for
Wikipedia? It would be nice that stories like this one get a place to stay
in time.

Just a though...
El mar. 5, 2015 12:08 PM, "ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)" 
escribió:

> Dear Wikimedians all over the world,
>
> One of our stalwarts at ml Wikimedia community, Wikiuser:BabuG
>  (
> https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Babug)  expired yesterday night.
>
> Despite having paralyzed due to a severe stroke and severely affected by
> several subsequent health problems, he was guided to Wikipedia by his son,
> Dr. Ajay, another prominent Malayalam Wikipedian, as a possible remedy to
> escape perpetual loneliness.
>
> His real world name was G. Balachandran.He was born on 14th October 1938 in
> a small village off North Parur, Ernakulam District, Kerala, the
> Southernmost state of India.He  joined the Armed Forces Engineering College
> and then continued to serve the Indian Armed forces for long many years.
>
> He started contributing to Wikimedia, particularly to Malayalam Wikipedia,
> in the year 2008.
>
> His initial contributions to Malayalam Wikipedia were based upon a
> pulp-converted digital Encyclopedia, released by the Government through
> GFDL licence then.  He continued to create even more full-featured articles
> on his own, later. By 2014 October 18 - the day he edited last in
> Wikipedia- he had 1935 full-blown articles initiated and expanded by
> himself in ml.wikipedia.org. Besides, he also contributed more than 350
> images to Wikimedia commons and a handsome  amount of contributions to
> Wikisource, Wikidata and Wiktionary.
>
> He always attributed his renewed energy and life's aspirations to the
> Wikimedia mission, for having returned to a meaningful life after a 20-year
> long and frustrating solitude while constrained to an immobile chair. Ever
> since 2008, he stood up and started walking and moving around. His was an
> extreme example for us in Malayalam WP to showcase how Wikipedia can change
> lives.
>
> In almost all our Wikipedia Outreach sessions, we utilized this great
> example to motivate and excite the newcomers to WP.
>
> Tory Read mentioned about BabuG thus, in a document
> , a  review
> on the state of Indian Wikimedia Communities, in 2011:
>
> G. Balachandran, a septuagenarian who lives outside of Ernakulum in Kerala
> > state, said that working on Malayalam Wikipedia helped him recover after
> a
> > stroke left him paralyzed. “He’s much sharper now,” said his wife
> Jagadamma
> > K. “He’s made a lot of new friends, and that’s been good for his health.”
>
>
> For us in Malayalam Wikipedia, today is a black day, for having lost a
> great beacon on our voyage to ultimate openness and freedom in knowledge
> and wisdom.
>
>
> Yet, we feel, BabuG has made his life stamped immortal for ever and has
> shown us the pathway we should follow in continuing our humble
> contributions to the ultimate cause of mankind.
>
>
> -ViswaPrabha
> (On behalf of Malayalam Wikimedia Community)
> http://ml.wikipedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF February 2015 Metrics & Activities Meeting: Thursday, March 5, 19:00 UTC

[Praveena Maharaj]

REMINDER: This meeting starts in 30 minutes.


On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Praveena Maharaj 
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> The next WMF metrics and activities will take place on Thursday, March 5,
> 2015 at 7:00 PM UTC (11 AM PST). The IRC channel is #wikimedia-office on
> irc.freenode.net and the meeting will be broadcast as a live YouTube
> stream.
>
> Each month at the metrics meeting, we will:
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

[Alex Wang]

Thanks so much for this great tribute. Inspiring.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Andrew Lih  wrote:

> Condolences to the community. I let the Signpost folks know, and there will
> be a writeup on this coming shortly.
>
> -Andrew
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Pine W  wrote:
>
> > Viswa,
> >
> > Thank you so much for letting us know of this editor's inspiring story.
> We
> > are sorry to lose such an exemplary Wikimedian. I hope in his passing he
> > had the satisfaction of feeling that in his late years he made the world
> a
> > better place.
> >
> > Please contact me off-list if you would like this email to appear in the
> > Signpost.
> >
> > Condolances to his family and the Malayalam Wikimedia community.
> >
> > Pine
> > On Mar 5, 2015 7:08 AM, "ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Wikimedians all over the world,
> > >
> > > One of our stalwarts at ml Wikimedia community, Wikiuser:BabuG
> > >  (
> > > https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Babug)  expired yesterday night.
> > >
> > > Despite having paralyzed due to a severe stroke and severely affected
> by
> > > several subsequent health problems, he was guided to Wikipedia by his
> > son,
> > > Dr. Ajay, another prominent Malayalam Wikipedian, as a possible remedy
> to
> > > escape perpetual loneliness.
> > >
> > > His real world name was G. Balachandran.He was born on 14th October
> 1938
> > in
> > > a small village off North Parur, Ernakulam District, Kerala, the
> > > Southernmost state of India.He  joined the Armed Forces Engineering
> > College
> > > and then continued to serve the Indian Armed forces for long many
> years.
> > >
> > > He started contributing to Wikimedia, particularly to Malayalam
> > Wikipedia,
> > > in the year 2008.
> > >
> > > His initial contributions to Malayalam Wikipedia were based upon a
> > > pulp-converted digital Encyclopedia, released by the Government through
> > > GFDL licence then.  He continued to create even more full-featured
> > articles
> > > on his own, later. By 2014 October 18 - the day he edited last in
> > > Wikipedia- he had 1935 full-blown articles initiated and expanded by
> > > himself in ml.wikipedia.org. Besides, he also contributed more than
> 350
> > > images to Wikimedia commons and a handsome  amount of contributions to
> > > Wikisource, Wikidata and Wiktionary.
> > >
> > > He always attributed his renewed energy and life's aspirations to the
> > > Wikimedia mission, for having returned to a meaningful life after a
> > 20-year
> > > long and frustrating solitude while constrained to an immobile chair.
> > Ever
> > > since 2008, he stood up and started walking and moving around. His was
> an
> > > extreme example for us in Malayalam WP to showcase how Wikipedia can
> > change
> > > lives.
> > >
> > > In almost all our Wikipedia Outreach sessions, we utilized this great
> > > example to motivate and excite the newcomers to WP.
> > >
> > > Tory Read mentioned about BabuG thus, in a document
> > > , a
> > review
> > > on the state of Indian Wikimedia Communities, in 2011:
> > >
> > > G. Balachandran, a septuagenarian who lives outside of Ernakulum in
> > Kerala
> > > > state, said that working on Malayalam Wikipedia helped him recover
> > after
> > > a
> > > > stroke left him paralyzed. “He’s much sharper now,” said his wife
> > > Jagadamma
> > > > K. “He’s made a lot of new friends, and that’s been good for his
> > health.”
> > >
> > >
> > > For us in Malayalam Wikipedia, today is a black day, for having lost a
> > > great beacon on our voyage to ultimate openness and freedom in
> knowledge
> > > and wisdom.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yet, we feel, BabuG has made his life stamped immortal for ever and has
> > > shown us the pathway we should follow in continuing our humble
> > > contributions to the ultimate cause of mankind.
> > >
> > >
> > > -ViswaPrabha
> > > (On behalf of Malayalam Wikimedia Community)
> > > http://ml.wikipedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ciritical level for addiction to Wikipedia

[Jane Darnell]

Yes I assumed as much - in Catholic circles you often see the word
"confraternity" which may include women, and I understand there are a few
"Co-ed fraternities" these days, but yes I totally agree that translation
remains a tricky thing. I had to chuckle because I am knee-deep in
preparation for the Art&Feminism edit-a-thon and barriers to entry in the
19th-century were male-only art fraternities or "brotherhoods" like the
Pre-Raphaelites in the UK

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Anders Wennersten 
wrote:

> I deeply apologize. It is not easy with wordings when you are non native
> English. I meant to use a word meaning "member of an order" if now Order
> means the same in English as in Swedish. Or member in a collective group
> which share some common insights/experiences.
>
> Of the 45 I mention 6 are female (13%) (yes of course we know each other
> so well). And of course these are just as active, respected etc as the men
>
> Anders
>
>
>
> Jane Darnell skrev den 2015-03-05 15:54:
>
>> Anders,
>> Very ironic to read the word "fraternity" here when we are in the middle
>> of
>> the whole "Inspire campaign" launch, but I assume there are women in that
>> group and they are just "lost in translation"?
>> Jane
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Anders Wennersten <
>> m...@anderswennersten.se>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Very, very interesting to get a perspective from the biggest, svwp being
>>> a
>>> small project.
>>>
>>> You use the word "full member of the community" which I like. I would say
>>> we 45 at svwp could be seen a a fraternity, we know each other rather
>>> well.
>>> It will not be possible in the same way if you are 1144, but probably for
>>> the 215 you mention
>>>
>>> The fraternity  thinking has now for us also been extended into that no
>>> block for more then a few hours (for cooling off)  is allowed for sysops
>>> to  set on senior editors. Full members of community will only be blocked
>>> longer then a day after a discussion by its peers . So no admin
>>> harassment
>>> allowed when you have come into this level of seniority.  (and what the
>>> use
>>> of blocking these, they come back anyway, under the same or another nick)
>>>
>>> Anders
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WereSpielChequers skrev den 2015-03-05 13:59:
>>>
>>>  On the English language Wikipedia we definitely have a phenomenon that
 editors with high edit counts will stay until a major event drives them
 away.

 But the the threshold may not be 38,000 edits, we have 1,444 editor
 accounts that have achieved that, and that may no longer be enough to
 commit you to the site.

 The 14 editors with 500,000 or more edits are all currently active, some
 are still among the most active editors on the site. Though the active
 definition on [[:en:WP:EDITS]] is merely one or more edits in the last
 30
 days.

 Of the 215 most active editors, 32 are inactive for various reasons and
 7
 have anonymised themselves on the list of most active editors (though
 they
 may be active). So 80-85% of our most active editors are still around.
 Possibly more when you allow for the fact that at least one of those 32
 has
 closed that account and now edits from another one.

 Sadly our admins have not been so likely to stay with us, only 579 are
 still active as admins, though of the 1500 or so former admins quite a
 few
 still edit.

 Of course the length of tenure for both groups is likely to be unusual.
 The vast majority of en wiki admins were appointed more than 7 years ago
 and it takes time to accumulate a really high edit count. Though we have
 fewer editors with over 100,000 edits than we have active admins, at
 current rates that will change in 2016, in recent months we are seeing
 more
 editors  do their 100,000th edit than become admins. I suspect one of
 our
 problems is that we have fewer ways for newish editors to feel they have
 become an established member of the community. To some extent GLAM, the
 chapters and the education program do this, and of course the good and
 Featured article processes. But we shouldn't be surprised that fewer
 people
 are staying on after their 100th or 1000th edit, as that is the stage in
 their wiki career where they are likely to think that they will never
 become a full member of the community.

 Regards

 Jonathan/WereSpielChequers


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

[Andrew Lih]

Condolences to the community. I let the Signpost folks know, and there will
be a writeup on this coming shortly.

-Andrew


On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Pine W  wrote:

> Viswa,
>
> Thank you so much for letting us know of this editor's inspiring story. We
> are sorry to lose such an exemplary Wikimedian. I hope in his passing he
> had the satisfaction of feeling that in his late years he made the world a
> better place.
>
> Please contact me off-list if you would like this email to appear in the
> Signpost.
>
> Condolances to his family and the Malayalam Wikimedia community.
>
> Pine
> On Mar 5, 2015 7:08 AM, "ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)" 
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Wikimedians all over the world,
> >
> > One of our stalwarts at ml Wikimedia community, Wikiuser:BabuG
> >  (
> > https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Babug)  expired yesterday night.
> >
> > Despite having paralyzed due to a severe stroke and severely affected by
> > several subsequent health problems, he was guided to Wikipedia by his
> son,
> > Dr. Ajay, another prominent Malayalam Wikipedian, as a possible remedy to
> > escape perpetual loneliness.
> >
> > His real world name was G. Balachandran.He was born on 14th October 1938
> in
> > a small village off North Parur, Ernakulam District, Kerala, the
> > Southernmost state of India.He  joined the Armed Forces Engineering
> College
> > and then continued to serve the Indian Armed forces for long many years.
> >
> > He started contributing to Wikimedia, particularly to Malayalam
> Wikipedia,
> > in the year 2008.
> >
> > His initial contributions to Malayalam Wikipedia were based upon a
> > pulp-converted digital Encyclopedia, released by the Government through
> > GFDL licence then.  He continued to create even more full-featured
> articles
> > on his own, later. By 2014 October 18 - the day he edited last in
> > Wikipedia- he had 1935 full-blown articles initiated and expanded by
> > himself in ml.wikipedia.org. Besides, he also contributed more than 350
> > images to Wikimedia commons and a handsome  amount of contributions to
> > Wikisource, Wikidata and Wiktionary.
> >
> > He always attributed his renewed energy and life's aspirations to the
> > Wikimedia mission, for having returned to a meaningful life after a
> 20-year
> > long and frustrating solitude while constrained to an immobile chair.
> Ever
> > since 2008, he stood up and started walking and moving around. His was an
> > extreme example for us in Malayalam WP to showcase how Wikipedia can
> change
> > lives.
> >
> > In almost all our Wikipedia Outreach sessions, we utilized this great
> > example to motivate and excite the newcomers to WP.
> >
> > Tory Read mentioned about BabuG thus, in a document
> > , a
> review
> > on the state of Indian Wikimedia Communities, in 2011:
> >
> > G. Balachandran, a septuagenarian who lives outside of Ernakulum in
> Kerala
> > > state, said that working on Malayalam Wikipedia helped him recover
> after
> > a
> > > stroke left him paralyzed. “He’s much sharper now,” said his wife
> > Jagadamma
> > > K. “He’s made a lot of new friends, and that’s been good for his
> health.”
> >
> >
> > For us in Malayalam Wikipedia, today is a black day, for having lost a
> > great beacon on our voyage to ultimate openness and freedom in knowledge
> > and wisdom.
> >
> >
> > Yet, we feel, BabuG has made his life stamped immortal for ever and has
> > shown us the pathway we should follow in continuing our humble
> > contributions to the ultimate cause of mankind.
> >
> >
> > -ViswaPrabha
> > (On behalf of Malayalam Wikimedia Community)
> > http://ml.wikipedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

[Shlomi Fish]

Hi all,

On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 20:37:13 +0530
ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)  wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians all over the world,
> 
> One of our stalwarts at ml Wikimedia community, Wikiuser:BabuG
>  (
> https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Babug)  expired yesterday night.
> 

I'm sorry to read all that. My condolences extend to his family, friends and
the people who collaborated with him online. I should note that I found the
story in the message to be touching and inspiring.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

[Pine W]

Viswa,

Thank you so much for letting us know of this editor's inspiring story. We
are sorry to lose such an exemplary Wikimedian. I hope in his passing he
had the satisfaction of feeling that in his late years he made the world a
better place.

Please contact me off-list if you would like this email to appear in the
Signpost.

Condolances to his family and the Malayalam Wikimedia community.

Pine
On Mar 5, 2015 7:08 AM, "ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)"  wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians all over the world,
>
> One of our stalwarts at ml Wikimedia community, Wikiuser:BabuG
>  (
> https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Babug)  expired yesterday night.
>
> Despite having paralyzed due to a severe stroke and severely affected by
> several subsequent health problems, he was guided to Wikipedia by his son,
> Dr. Ajay, another prominent Malayalam Wikipedian, as a possible remedy to
> escape perpetual loneliness.
>
> His real world name was G. Balachandran.He was born on 14th October 1938 in
> a small village off North Parur, Ernakulam District, Kerala, the
> Southernmost state of India.He  joined the Armed Forces Engineering College
> and then continued to serve the Indian Armed forces for long many years.
>
> He started contributing to Wikimedia, particularly to Malayalam Wikipedia,
> in the year 2008.
>
> His initial contributions to Malayalam Wikipedia were based upon a
> pulp-converted digital Encyclopedia, released by the Government through
> GFDL licence then.  He continued to create even more full-featured articles
> on his own, later. By 2014 October 18 - the day he edited last in
> Wikipedia- he had 1935 full-blown articles initiated and expanded by
> himself in ml.wikipedia.org. Besides, he also contributed more than 350
> images to Wikimedia commons and a handsome  amount of contributions to
> Wikisource, Wikidata and Wiktionary.
>
> He always attributed his renewed energy and life's aspirations to the
> Wikimedia mission, for having returned to a meaningful life after a 20-year
> long and frustrating solitude while constrained to an immobile chair. Ever
> since 2008, he stood up and started walking and moving around. His was an
> extreme example for us in Malayalam WP to showcase how Wikipedia can change
> lives.
>
> In almost all our Wikipedia Outreach sessions, we utilized this great
> example to motivate and excite the newcomers to WP.
>
> Tory Read mentioned about BabuG thus, in a document
> , a  review
> on the state of Indian Wikimedia Communities, in 2011:
>
> G. Balachandran, a septuagenarian who lives outside of Ernakulum in Kerala
> > state, said that working on Malayalam Wikipedia helped him recover after
> a
> > stroke left him paralyzed. “He’s much sharper now,” said his wife
> Jagadamma
> > K. “He’s made a lot of new friends, and that’s been good for his health.”
>
>
> For us in Malayalam Wikipedia, today is a black day, for having lost a
> great beacon on our voyage to ultimate openness and freedom in knowledge
> and wisdom.
>
>
> Yet, we feel, BabuG has made his life stamped immortal for ever and has
> shown us the pathway we should follow in continuing our humble
> contributions to the ultimate cause of mankind.
>
>
> -ViswaPrabha
> (On behalf of Malayalam Wikimedia Community)
> http://ml.wikipedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ciritical level for addiction to Wikipedia

[Anders Wennersten]

I deeply apologize. It is not easy with wordings when you are non native 
English. I meant to use a word meaning "member of an order" if now Order 
means the same in English as in Swedish. Or member in a collective group 
which share some common insights/experiences.


Of the 45 I mention 6 are female (13%) (yes of course we know each other 
so well). And of course these are just as active, respected etc as the men


Anders



Jane Darnell skrev den 2015-03-05 15:54:

Anders,
Very ironic to read the word "fraternity" here when we are in the middle of
the whole "Inspire campaign" launch, but I assume there are women in that
group and they are just "lost in translation"?
Jane

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Anders Wennersten 
wrote:


Very, very interesting to get a perspective from the biggest, svwp being a
small project.

You use the word "full member of the community" which I like. I would say
we 45 at svwp could be seen a a fraternity, we know each other rather well.
It will not be possible in the same way if you are 1144, but probably for
the 215 you mention

The fraternity  thinking has now for us also been extended into that no
block for more then a few hours (for cooling off)  is allowed for sysops
to  set on senior editors. Full members of community will only be blocked
longer then a day after a discussion by its peers . So no admin harassment
allowed when you have come into this level of seniority.  (and what the use
of blocking these, they come back anyway, under the same or another nick)

Anders







WereSpielChequers skrev den 2015-03-05 13:59:


On the English language Wikipedia we definitely have a phenomenon that
editors with high edit counts will stay until a major event drives them
away.

But the the threshold may not be 38,000 edits, we have 1,444 editor
accounts that have achieved that, and that may no longer be enough to
commit you to the site.

The 14 editors with 500,000 or more edits are all currently active, some
are still among the most active editors on the site. Though the active
definition on [[:en:WP:EDITS]] is merely one or more edits in the last 30
days.

Of the 215 most active editors, 32 are inactive for various reasons and 7
have anonymised themselves on the list of most active editors (though they
may be active). So 80-85% of our most active editors are still around.
Possibly more when you allow for the fact that at least one of those 32 has
closed that account and now edits from another one.

Sadly our admins have not been so likely to stay with us, only 579 are
still active as admins, though of the 1500 or so former admins quite a few
still edit.

Of course the length of tenure for both groups is likely to be unusual.
The vast majority of en wiki admins were appointed more than 7 years ago
and it takes time to accumulate a really high edit count. Though we have
fewer editors with over 100,000 edits than we have active admins, at
current rates that will change in 2016, in recent months we are seeing more
editors  do their 100,000th edit than become admins. I suspect one of our
problems is that we have fewer ways for newish editors to feel they have
become an established member of the community. To some extent GLAM, the
chapters and the education program do this, and of course the good and
Featured article processes. But we shouldn't be surprised that fewer people
are staying on after their 100th or 1000th edit, as that is the stage in
their wiki career where they are likely to think that they will never
become a full member of the community.

Regards

Jonathan/WereSpielChequers


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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 17:44:30 +0100
From: Anders Wennersten 
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On svwp there has over the years been 45 individuals who have each made
more then 38000 edits.
Of these 45, 44 are still active, only one has  left (in 2009) making
97,7 still around. For the users with less then 38 000 edits, only about
6 out of 10 is still active.

Is this a global valid number, that when you have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

[Jeevan Jose]

My deep condolences.

Jee

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:37 PM, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) 
wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians all over the world,
>
> One of our stalwarts at ml Wikimedia community, Wikiuser:BabuG
>  (
> https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Babug)  expired yesterday night.
>
> Despite having paralyzed due to a severe stroke and severely affected by
> several subsequent health problems, he was guided to Wikipedia by his son,
> Dr. Ajay, another prominent Malayalam Wikipedian, as a possible remedy to
> escape perpetual loneliness.
>
> His real world name was G. Balachandran.He was born on 14th October 1938 in
> a small village off North Parur, Ernakulam District, Kerala, the
> Southernmost state of India.He  joined the Armed Forces Engineering College
> and then continued to serve the Indian Armed forces for long many years.
>
> He started contributing to Wikimedia, particularly to Malayalam Wikipedia,
> in the year 2008.
>
> His initial contributions to Malayalam Wikipedia were based upon a
> pulp-converted digital Encyclopedia, released by the Government through
> GFDL licence then.  He continued to create even more full-featured articles
> on his own, later. By 2014 October 18 - the day he edited last in
> Wikipedia- he had 1935 full-blown articles initiated and expanded by
> himself in ml.wikipedia.org. Besides, he also contributed more than 350
> images to Wikimedia commons and a handsome  amount of contributions to
> Wikisource, Wikidata and Wiktionary.
>
> He always attributed his renewed energy and life's aspirations to the
> Wikimedia mission, for having returned to a meaningful life after a 20-year
> long and frustrating solitude while constrained to an immobile chair. Ever
> since 2008, he stood up and started walking and moving around. His was an
> extreme example for us in Malayalam WP to showcase how Wikipedia can change
> lives.
>
> In almost all our Wikipedia Outreach sessions, we utilized this great
> example to motivate and excite the newcomers to WP.
>
> Tory Read mentioned about BabuG thus, in a document
> , a  review
> on the state of Indian Wikimedia Communities, in 2011:
>
> G. Balachandran, a septuagenarian who lives outside of Ernakulum in Kerala
> > state, said that working on Malayalam Wikipedia helped him recover after
> a
> > stroke left him paralyzed. “He’s much sharper now,” said his wife
> Jagadamma
> > K. “He’s made a lot of new friends, and that’s been good for his health.”
>
>
> For us in Malayalam Wikipedia, today is a black day, for having lost a
> great beacon on our voyage to ultimate openness and freedom in knowledge
> and wisdom.
>
>
> Yet, we feel, BabuG has made his life stamped immortal for ever and has
> shown us the pathway we should follow in continuing our humble
> contributions to the ultimate cause of mankind.
>
>
> -ViswaPrabha
> (On behalf of Malayalam Wikimedia Community)
> http://ml.wikipedia.org
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[Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

[വിശ്വപ്രഭ]

Dear Wikimedians all over the world,

One of our stalwarts at ml Wikimedia community, Wikiuser:BabuG
 (
https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Babug)  expired yesterday night.

Despite having paralyzed due to a severe stroke and severely affected by
several subsequent health problems, he was guided to Wikipedia by his son,
Dr. Ajay, another prominent Malayalam Wikipedian, as a possible remedy to
escape perpetual loneliness.

His real world name was G. Balachandran.He was born on 14th October 1938 in
a small village off North Parur, Ernakulam District, Kerala, the
Southernmost state of India.He  joined the Armed Forces Engineering College
and then continued to serve the Indian Armed forces for long many years.

He started contributing to Wikimedia, particularly to Malayalam Wikipedia,
in the year 2008.

His initial contributions to Malayalam Wikipedia were based upon a
pulp-converted digital Encyclopedia, released by the Government through
GFDL licence then.  He continued to create even more full-featured articles
on his own, later. By 2014 October 18 - the day he edited last in
Wikipedia- he had 1935 full-blown articles initiated and expanded by
himself in ml.wikipedia.org. Besides, he also contributed more than 350
images to Wikimedia commons and a handsome  amount of contributions to
Wikisource, Wikidata and Wiktionary.

He always attributed his renewed energy and life's aspirations to the
Wikimedia mission, for having returned to a meaningful life after a 20-year
long and frustrating solitude while constrained to an immobile chair. Ever
since 2008, he stood up and started walking and moving around. His was an
extreme example for us in Malayalam WP to showcase how Wikipedia can change
lives.

In almost all our Wikipedia Outreach sessions, we utilized this great
example to motivate and excite the newcomers to WP.

Tory Read mentioned about BabuG thus, in a document
, a  review
on the state of Indian Wikimedia Communities, in 2011:

G. Balachandran, a septuagenarian who lives outside of Ernakulum in Kerala
> state, said that working on Malayalam Wikipedia helped him recover after a
> stroke left him paralyzed. “He’s much sharper now,” said his wife Jagadamma
> K. “He’s made a lot of new friends, and that’s been good for his health.”


For us in Malayalam Wikipedia, today is a black day, for having lost a
great beacon on our voyage to ultimate openness and freedom in knowledge
and wisdom.


Yet, we feel, BabuG has made his life stamped immortal for ever and has
shown us the pathway we should follow in continuing our humble
contributions to the ultimate cause of mankind.


-ViswaPrabha
(On behalf of Malayalam Wikimedia Community)
http://ml.wikipedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ciritical level for addiction to Wikipedia

[Jane Darnell]

Anders,
Very ironic to read the word "fraternity" here when we are in the middle of
the whole "Inspire campaign" launch, but I assume there are women in that
group and they are just "lost in translation"?
Jane

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Anders Wennersten 
wrote:

> Very, very interesting to get a perspective from the biggest, svwp being a
> small project.
>
> You use the word "full member of the community" which I like. I would say
> we 45 at svwp could be seen a a fraternity, we know each other rather well.
> It will not be possible in the same way if you are 1144, but probably for
> the 215 you mention
>
> The fraternity  thinking has now for us also been extended into that no
> block for more then a few hours (for cooling off)  is allowed for sysops
> to  set on senior editors. Full members of community will only be blocked
> longer then a day after a discussion by its peers . So no admin harassment
> allowed when you have come into this level of seniority.  (and what the use
> of blocking these, they come back anyway, under the same or another nick)
>
> Anders
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> WereSpielChequers skrev den 2015-03-05 13:59:
>
>> On the English language Wikipedia we definitely have a phenomenon that
>> editors with high edit counts will stay until a major event drives them
>> away.
>>
>> But the the threshold may not be 38,000 edits, we have 1,444 editor
>> accounts that have achieved that, and that may no longer be enough to
>> commit you to the site.
>>
>> The 14 editors with 500,000 or more edits are all currently active, some
>> are still among the most active editors on the site. Though the active
>> definition on [[:en:WP:EDITS]] is merely one or more edits in the last 30
>> days.
>>
>> Of the 215 most active editors, 32 are inactive for various reasons and 7
>> have anonymised themselves on the list of most active editors (though they
>> may be active). So 80-85% of our most active editors are still around.
>> Possibly more when you allow for the fact that at least one of those 32 has
>> closed that account and now edits from another one.
>>
>> Sadly our admins have not been so likely to stay with us, only 579 are
>> still active as admins, though of the 1500 or so former admins quite a few
>> still edit.
>>
>> Of course the length of tenure for both groups is likely to be unusual.
>> The vast majority of en wiki admins were appointed more than 7 years ago
>> and it takes time to accumulate a really high edit count. Though we have
>> fewer editors with over 100,000 edits than we have active admins, at
>> current rates that will change in 2016, in recent months we are seeing more
>> editors  do their 100,000th edit than become admins. I suspect one of our
>> problems is that we have fewer ways for newish editors to feel they have
>> become an established member of the community. To some extent GLAM, the
>> chapters and the education program do this, and of course the good and
>> Featured article processes. But we shouldn't be surprised that fewer people
>> are staying on after their 100th or 1000th edit, as that is the stage in
>> their wiki career where they are likely to think that they will never
>> become a full member of the community.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Jonathan/WereSpielChequers
>>
>>
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>>> On svwp there has over the years been 45 individuals who have each made
>>> more then 38000 edits.
>>> Of these 45, 44 are still active, only one has  left (in 2009) making
>>> 97,7 still around. For the users with less then 38 000 edits, only about
>>> 6 out of 10 is still active.
>>>
>>> Is this a global valid number, that when you have made 38000 edits you
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ciritical level for addiction to Wikipedia

[Anders Wennersten]

Very, very interesting to get a perspective from the biggest, svwp being 
a small project.


You use the word "full member of the community" which I like. I would 
say we 45 at svwp could be seen a a fraternity, we know each other 
rather well. It will not be possible in the same way if you are 1144, 
but probably for the 215 you mention


The fraternity  thinking has now for us also been extended into that no 
block for more then a few hours (for cooling off)  is allowed for sysops 
to  set on senior editors. Full members of community will only be 
blocked longer then a day after a discussion by its peers . So no admin 
harassment allowed when you have come into this level of seniority.  
(and what the use of blocking these, they come back anyway, under the 
same or another nick)


Anders







WereSpielChequers skrev den 2015-03-05 13:59:

On the English language Wikipedia we definitely have a phenomenon that editors 
with high edit counts will stay until a major event drives them away.

But the the threshold may not be 38,000 edits, we have 1,444 editor accounts 
that have achieved that, and that may no longer be enough to commit you to the 
site.

The 14 editors with 500,000 or more edits are all currently active, some are 
still among the most active editors on the site. Though the active definition 
on [[:en:WP:EDITS]] is merely one or more edits in the last 30 days.

Of the 215 most active editors, 32 are inactive for various reasons and 7 have 
anonymised themselves on the list of most active editors (though they may be 
active). So 80-85% of our most active editors are still around. Possibly more 
when you allow for the fact that at least one of those 32 has closed that 
account and now edits from another one.

Sadly our admins have not been so likely to stay with us, only 579 are still 
active as admins, though of the 1500 or so former admins quite a few still edit.

Of course the length of tenure for both groups is likely to be unusual. The 
vast majority of en wiki admins were appointed more than 7 years ago and it 
takes time to accumulate a really high edit count. Though we have fewer editors 
with over 100,000 edits than we have active admins, at current rates that will 
change in 2016, in recent months we are seeing more editors  do their 100,000th 
edit than become admins. I suspect one of our problems is that we have fewer 
ways for newish editors to feel they have become an established member of the 
community. To some extent GLAM, the chapters and the education program do this, 
and of course the good and Featured article processes. But we shouldn't be 
surprised that fewer people are staying on after their 100th or 1000th edit, as 
that is the stage in their wiki career where they are likely to think that they 
will never become a full member of the community.

Regards

Jonathan/WereSpielChequers



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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 17:44:30 +0100
From: Anders Wennersten 
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Ciritical level for addiction to Wikipedia
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On svwp there has over the years been 45 individuals who have each made
more then 38000 edits.
Of these 45, 44 are still active, only one has  left (in 2009) making
97,7 still around. For the users with less then 38 000 edits, only about
6 out of 10 is still active.

Is this a global valid number, that when you have made 38000 edits you
are fully addicted to Wikipedia ("until death do us part")?


Anders







--

Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 18:05:42 +0100
From: Gerard Meijssen 
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ciritical level for addiction to Wikipedia
Message-ID:
   
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Hoi,
I hope not.. If it were I am a basket case. Hmmm not Wikipedia ... does
Wikidata count ? What number of edits would be sufficient ??
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 4 March 2015 at 17:44, Anders Wennersten 
wrote:


On svwp there has over the years been 45 individuals who have each made
more then 38000 edits.
Of these 45, 44 are still active, only one has  left (

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ciritical level for addiction to Wikipedia

[WereSpielChequers]

On the English language Wikipedia we definitely have a phenomenon that editors 
with high edit counts will stay until a major event drives them away.

But the the threshold may not be 38,000 edits, we have 1,444 editor accounts 
that have achieved that, and that may no longer be enough to commit you to the 
site.

The 14 editors with 500,000 or more edits are all currently active, some are 
still among the most active editors on the site. Though the active definition 
on [[:en:WP:EDITS]] is merely one or more edits in the last 30 days.

Of the 215 most active editors, 32 are inactive for various reasons and 7 have 
anonymised themselves on the list of most active editors (though they may be 
active). So 80-85% of our most active editors are still around. Possibly more 
when you allow for the fact that at least one of those 32 has closed that 
account and now edits from another one.

Sadly our admins have not been so likely to stay with us, only 579 are still 
active as admins, though of the 1500 or so former admins quite a few still edit.

Of course the length of tenure for both groups is likely to be unusual. The 
vast majority of en wiki admins were appointed more than 7 years ago and it 
takes time to accumulate a really high edit count. Though we have fewer editors 
with over 100,000 edits than we have active admins, at current rates that will 
change in 2016, in recent months we are seeing more editors  do their 100,000th 
edit than become admins. I suspect one of our problems is that we have fewer 
ways for newish editors to feel they have become an established member of the 
community. To some extent GLAM, the chapters and the education program do this, 
and of course the good and Featured article processes. But we shouldn't be 
surprised that fewer people are staying on after their 100th or 1000th edit, as 
that is the stage in their wiki career where they are likely to think that they 
will never become a full member of the community.

Regards

Jonathan/WereSpielChequers


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> 
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> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 17:44:30 +0100
> From: Anders Wennersten 
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> 
> On svwp there has over the years been 45 individuals who have each made 
> more then 38000 edits.
> Of these 45, 44 are still active, only one has  left (in 2009) making 
> 97,7 still around. For the users with less then 38 000 edits, only about 
> 6 out of 10 is still active.
> 
> Is this a global valid number, that when you have made 38000 edits you 
> are fully addicted to Wikipedia ("until death do us part")?
> 
> 
> Anders
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 18:05:42 +0100
> From: Gerard Meijssen 
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>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Hoi,
> I hope not.. If it were I am a basket case. Hmmm not Wikipedia ... does
> Wikidata count ? What number of edits would be sufficient ??
> Thanks,
> GerardM
> 
> On 4 March 2015 at 17:44, Anders Wennersten 
> wrote:
> 
>> On svwp there has over the years been 45 individuals who have each made
>> more then 38000 edits.
>> Of these 45, 44 are still active, only one has  left (in 2009) making 97,7
>> still around. For the users with less then 38 000 edits, only about 6 out
>> of 10 is still active.
>> 
>> Is this a global valid number, that when you have made 38000 edits you are
>> fully addicted to Wikipedia ("until death do us part")?
>> 
>> 
>> Anders
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 18:19:24 +0100
> From: Ricordisamoa 
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> Il 04/03/2015 17:44, Anders Wennersten ha scritto:
>> On svwp there has over the years been 45 individuals who have each 
>> m