[Wikimedia-l] Re: Save the Date: Curationist Launch Celebration and Webinar

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

That is 21:00 UTC - or automatically localized times at
https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1670446848

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 5:45 PM Gnangarra  wrote:

> Can you please provide the time in utc format
>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Wiki of functions naming contest

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

Hello all,

Please help pick a name for the new Wikimedia wiki project.
This project will be a wiki where the community can work together on a
library of functions.[1] The community can create new functions, read
about them, discuss them, and share them. Some of these functions will
be used to help create language-independent Wikipedia articles that
can be displayed in any language, as part of the Abstract Wikipedia
project. But functions will also be usable in many other situations.

There will be two rounds of voting, each followed by legal review of
candidates, with broad voting beginning on 29 September and 27
October. Our goal is to have a final project name selected on 8
December. If you would like to participate, then please learn more and
vote now at meta-wiki:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia/Wiki_of_functions_naming_contest

Thank you.
Nick / Quiddity

[1] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Wiki_of_functions_naming_contest#What_is_a_function%3F

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

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On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 2:01 PM Samuel Klein  wrote:

> We used to have a roughly weighted list of major world languages by
> (spoken, written; primary, secondary) and how well covered they were by wp
> (articles, contributors).  Is there something like that still?
>

I think you might be referring to the links in the 3rd and 4th line of
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Lists_of_Wikipedias ?
Looking more closely, it appears that the "speakers per article" listing is
unfortunately a few years out of date, as the column of "Speakers" was
being manually updated from Ethnologue stats (which are now paywalled).
I've started a tangential discussion on the talkpage there, about using
Wikidata instead.
Additionally, none of those links contain the "primary / secondary
language" statistics, for which I think we'd need to cross-reference with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers
(https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1394450) Or perhaps Wikidata can resolve it
again, as at least some languages' items include a split of the statistics
for that, e.g. Q150. Let's discuss further onwiki?

And +1 to the overall recommendation from C. Scott. :)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] June 4 1800 Maggie Dennis office hour (with a twist)

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& Safety cases. Instead, I
> > >can discuss Trust & Safety protocols and practices and approaches as
> > well
> > >as some of the mistakes we’ve made, some of the things I’m proud of,
> > and
> > >some of the things we’re hoping to do.
> > >-
> > >
> > >I will not respond to comments or questions that are disrespectful
> to
> > >me, to my colleagues, or to anyone in our communities. I can talk
> > civilly
> > >about our work even if you disagree with me or I disagree with you.
> I
> > won’t
> > >compromise on this.
> > >
> > >
> > > I’m not sure if I will stick with Zoom as the way I do office hours
> > > forever, but I am responding to some requests for spoken interaction
> > while
> > > also trying to provide text options for those who prefer. I admit to
> > being
> > > a little camera shy myself, so this is a challenge for me! If I
> embarrass
> > > myself too badly, I may retreat to the safety of text in future.
> > >
> > > I was hoping to have the Zoom link already, but while that’s being
> > > expedited by our office technology team, I don’t have it yet. I wanted
> to
> > > give interested people notice as soon as I knew the time. I’ll follow
> up
> > > with links again at least two hours in advance.
> > >
> > > The meeting will be on June 4th at 1800 UTC.
> > >
> > > I hope to see you there.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Maggie
> > >
> > > [1] Zoom link; Telegram link:
> > https://t.me/joinchat/DOlGIB1FRLUWqW9iB3qfTQ;
> > > directions for participating in IRC:
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours#How_to_participate
> > >
> > > --
> > > Maggie Dennis
> > > Vice President, Community Resilience & Sustainability
> > > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Maggie Dennis
> > Vice President, Community Resilience & Sustainability
> > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Annoying ads

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This has been on our departments' minds for the past few months. Since the
beginning of the pandemic, we have been changing our campaign schedules
(including shortening the Italian campaign) and steadily revising our
messaging. We are closely monitoring reader and donor feedback, responding
to what we hear, and making adjustments as we go. There is a lot of
interest in fundraising right now and how we adapt in the current
environment and going forward (including amongst Affiliates and closely
related external orgs whom we talk to). It’s uncertain when things will go
back to “normal” so it is important we start learning how to fundraise in
this environment. We are working on a plan to share more information and
updates. Our team is working with limited capacity right now so these
deeper updates may not happen right away, but we are making this a priority.

We'd also like to acknowledge GerardM’s point about giving people an
opportunity to give, and note that we’re also hearing this from some donors
- Some are giving because they are now realizing the huge value of the
projects. These are some examples we can share:

"I was prompted quite a few times to donate but so far I always rejected
even if it didn't feel right. Probably this virus situation made me more
aware of my environment; what's important and what's not."

"I give because I appreciate that there is even a Wikipedia. Solid
information ties in with our hope and is key to calming these uncertain
times. Thanks again. Stay well and safe."

"We need Wikipedia, and if everyone give some, well you know... In Norway
we have a special word for this act... "dugnad" (when everyone contributes,
it will not be so big efforts for a few) Like we have this corona situation
now. We must help each other, take care of each other, and do what the
governments tell us to do. Then the virus will go away much faster."

"I really got into the Internet in 1995 with my 1st home PC…I never thought
that one day, the global network would be our life-saving resource facing a
global health crisis...You and all the Wikimedia teams do a TERRIFIC work.
Wikipedia is the single most important website."

I hope that helps.
Best,
Nick

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 8:47 AM Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> To me this is similar to the argument why we do not really raise funds in
> some countries that "are poor". Some people are poor, certainly, but many
> others are not. The argument that we can afford has a relation to our
> aspirations, ambitions what can we do better, more particularly in the
> countries where people are stuck in their homes. If anything this is the
> time to adapt to changing circumstances. People are at home, there is this
> "captive audience" with many people that are helped mentally when they have
> something worthwhile to do.
>
> We can reach out for readers, editors and donors.
> Thanks,
>GerardM
>
>
> On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 14:58, WereSpielChequers <
> werespielchequ...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Given the large reserves that the WMF carries, and the savings from
> > cancelling events such as Wikimania 2020, I would have thought that the
> WMF
> > was one organisation that could afford to pause its fundraising for a few
> > months. At least in countries where the economy is in freefall.
> >
> > In a few months time lots of people will still be in a financial mess.
> But
> > the large number of people who are currently going to be worried about
> > their financial future will hopefully be divided into those who have kept
> > their jobs. or got new ones and those who were right to be worried.
> > Hopefully some of those who come through this financially OK will be in a
> > position to donate.
> >
> > WSC
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Annoying ads

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My apologies John for my overly basic initial response. I wanted to note
that regarding the banner design [1] we’ve definitely heard and taken the
feedback on board as a team. Our design team discussed it on Monday and are
exploring ways in which we might iterate on this in future tests.

We are always sympathetic about any potential impact that fundraising
campaigns have on reader experience. This is why we use tools to limit
impressions seen by readers, limit traffic or campaign length, and only
send a limited number of emails to past donors. Most non-profits and pretty
much every other online fundraising model involves running campaigns all
year around, all the time.

Regarding this related issue both Sam and you brought up about the use of
cookies in Central Notice and exploring the usage of hash id’s. It’s an
interesting idea but certainly one fraught with potential public
misconceptions along with ethical and technical challenges. Even with
navigating those I’m not sure Fundraising is really the team to take a lead
on this kind of device fingerprinting within MediaWiki and falls well
outside our team’s area of responsibility and expertise. There are also big
changes expected in the way browsers provide the necessary information so
we are going to need to see how this comes out in the wash. Either way,
we’ve created a phabricator ticket to facilitate future discussion about
this topic.[2]

Thanks again for your recommendation. Please do continue to leave any
feedback, ideas, or questions on the fundraising talk page.[3]

Best wishes,
Nick

[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NASA&banner=B1920_0331_enWW_dsk_p2_sm_twin1&uselang=en&force=1
[2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252123
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 2:32 PM John Erling Blad  wrote:

> It happen after a reboot where the browsers was reset.
> No, I did not take a screenshot.
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 7:43 PM Samuel Klein  wrote:
>
> > >
> > > This is a complaint about multiple banners on the same page.
> >
> >
> >
> > > I believe it would be better to put the add on the lower part of the
> > > viewport, for all users, and for a limited time. Posting ads at random
> > > locations
> >
> >
> > I couldn't figure out how to experience this feature -- can you share a
> > screenshot?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Annoying ads

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Hi John, thank you for the feedback.

The banners you see are continually changing, as we refine our designs
based on feedback and efficacy. Donation banners are inherently disruptive,
on any site. We try to minimize the annoyance whilst also maximizing the
effectiveness in order to show as few banners as possible. It's a difficult
balance, and feedback like yours, and the emails and comments we get from
readers, help us out over time.

If you don’t want to see fundraising banners, there are a few options: You
can login to Wikipedia, or click the "close" button in a banner, or visit
our donor thank you page.[1]

If you're browsing in a private-window, this means the browser cannot
remember (save in a cookie) that you clicked "close" or saw the banner
already, hence you might be seeing more banners than most readers would.

Thanks again,
Nick

[1] https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thank_You

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 7:56 AM John Erling Blad  wrote:

> Often I surf Wikipedia without being logged in, and so I did right now. I
> got the usual banners, but this time they popped up repeatedly in several
> locations. This quickly gets extremely annoying, and I find it unwise.
> Create one banner, and stick with that. Several banners are simply way over
> the top.
>
> /jeblad
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Multi-page advertising on Wikipedia

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

Hi MZMcBride,

You are right that it's unusual for us to display any banners on English
Wiki in the USA at this time of year.

We wanted to do a thorough evaluation of our backend systems and receive
some live data on our banners, which we have been adjusting to be sensitive
during the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.

Along with other analysis, we use brief tests to collate necessary data to
inform future projections. Given the significant global changes over the
last few months we felt it vital to gather this now to help inform annual
and long term planning for the WMF, and by extension the broader movement.
These tests will only be running for 1-3 hours and the current expectation
is to run a couple of additional brief tests in the next few weeks.

Just also to note I am currently replacing Seddon as the community liaison
for the Advancement department, whilst he is working with the Product
department. This handover is ongoing. I did leave a note on the English
Wikipedia village pump before the test [1] and I will make sure the
CentralNotice calendar is updated to reflect our known planned fundraising
activities.

Thanks.
Nick

[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#English_Fundraising_system_tests

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 9:41 AM MZMcBride  wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I happened to pull up a wiki article on my phone this morning and I got
> hit with multi-page advertising begging for money from Wikimedia
> Foundation Inc. It's mid-April, what is going on? This spam is typically
> confined to late November and December.
>
> I don't see any relevant campaign listed at
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Calendar>.
>
> MZMcBride
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community survey: Wikimedia Diversity Conference 2020

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

Gerard, you can read about the previous events (which include answers about
scope), at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Diversity_Conference



On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 10:43 AM Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> I am not interested when I do no have a clue about the scope
>
>
> Op ma 20 jan. 2020 15:09 schreef Ilario Valdelli :
>
> > That can be an output of the conference. Is not it?
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, 13:57 Gerard Meijssen, 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > How do you define diversity?
> > > Thanks,
> > >  GerardM
> > >
> > > On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 13:44, Jon Harald Søby 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all, and apologies if you receive this email several times – I
> will
> > be
> > > > posting it to multiple mailing lists.
> > > >
> > > > Wikimedia Norge would like to organize a regional Wikimedia Diversity
> > > > Conference in 2020 for Europe, with the hope of many other regional
> > > > conferences on the same topic being held in the near future. The
> > > Wikimedia
> > > > Diversity Conference 2020 will provide a meeting place for
> discussing,
> > > > debating and generating recipes for change concerning diversity in
> the
> > > > Wikimedia movement.
> > > >
> > > > We will be sharing more updates regarding a possible conference later
> > in
> > > > 2020. For now, we are working on drafting a grant proposal to the
> > > Wikimedia
> > > > Foundation to support the conference. As part of the drafting the
> > > proposal,
> > > > a Community Engagement Survey is crucial to understand what community
> > > > members are expecting out of such conference. In that regard,
> Wikimedia
> > > > Norge invite all those who are interested in the topic of diversity
> to
> > > take
> > > > part in the survey.
> > > >
> > > > Please take the survey here
> > > > <
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEaXc2AIaaFgKiQUWCDdnJKLd26KA8_DDQsyAqemXsH-wRyw/viewform
> > > > >
> > > > or copy and paste the URL below into your internet browser:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEaXc2AIaaFgKiQUWCDdnJKLd26KA8_DDQsyAqemXsH-wRyw/viewform
> > > >
> > > > *Participants*
> > > > For a Wikimedia Diversity Conference 2020 we would like to invite
> > > > participants who are decision-makers in the movement (volunteers,
> board
> > > or
> > > > staff members of a Wikimedia affiliate) or highly engaged in projects
> > > about
> > > > knowledge equity and diversity. The conference will be an opportunity
> > for
> > > > the participants to discuss solutions for implementation of the 2030
> > > > movement strategy
> > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20
> >
> > on
> > > > knowledge equity.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > *Jon Harald Søby*
> > > > Prosjektleder / Prosjektleiar / Prošeaktajođiheaddji / Project
> Manager
> > > > Wikimedia Norge / Wikimedia Noreg / Wikimedia Norga
> > > >
> > > > +47 977 67 510
> > > > jhs...@wikimedia.no
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

nges here, are the vastly different
needs of all the different demographics/types of users (e.g. keeping things
similar enough so that readers don't get confused when they start to edit;
e.g. not disrupting the current editors whether they use phones or
desktops; e.g. adding new accessibility & usability improvements/options;
etc), balanced with the technical requirements of efficiency given our
current software "stacks".

Hence the "Goals" and "Constraints" sections (for the TL;DR) in
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements
We're planning on adding/tweaking/changing elements in the UI slowly and
carefully, so that editors can keep on efficiently editing, and readers
(and editors implicitly!) can slowly get a clearer/better reading
experience, over the years ahead.

There are /many/ ideas for subtle or significant improvements listed in the
project pages (don't get distracted by just the first image in the
slideshow!), and probably more good ideas we're still missing.
Anyone's feedback (hopefully nuanced and friendly) and further
ideas/links/suggestions/etc would be appreciated at that project page.

Quiddity / Nick
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

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On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 3:06 PM Joseph Seddon  wrote:

> The Wikimedia Resource Center (which
> currently is broken it seems) had the goal of trying to aid a community
> member in getting the right information, the right person or the right
> process to fulfill their needs. It's focus was on programmes but it was a
> good idea. I'm not saying this exact form would be suitable, given there is
> clearly a maintenance burden, but the concept has merits.


Now fixed. (There was a mis-located translation which had confused the
software.)
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Resource_Center :-)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia & Education Greenhouse - applications still open until May 12!

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(Reposting with fixed links)

On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 6:56 PM Melissa Guadalupe Huertas <
mguadal...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hola everyone!
>
> Sorry in advance for cross-posting. As many of you are aware, last April
> 5th the Education team at the Wikimedia Foundation announced the launch of
> the Wikimedia & Education Greenhouse (https://w.wiki/385). The W&E
> Greenhouse is a
> fully immersive co-learning experience that lasts 9 months and is designed
> for emerging education leaders in our movement who believe in the value of
> Wikimedia projects in education. It will equip participants with the
> skills, knowledge, and support to bring their ideas to life and scale them
> into high-impact education initiatives in their community.
>
> The W&E Greenhouse has two modalities of participation: as a team (
> https://w.wiki/3A$) and as an individual(https://w.wiki/3NY). Applying as
> a team means that
> you present an idea for an education project you want to develop in your
> local community. One team will be selected to receive seed funding for
> their project, on-site mentoring from WMF staff, and access to a free
> project management online course. Applying as an individual means
> completing a short form expressing your interest and motivation, and this
> will give you access to the free online course.
>
> So far we have received 1 team application and over 60 individual
> applications from all over the world. Additionally, we have a great team of
> experienced Wikimedia education leaders collaborating in the development of
> this initiative. There are still two weeks left to apply (deadline is May
> 12) and we are very excited to keep reading about the amazing education
> projects you want to develop! We have prepared some additional resources to
> support applications during these final weeks and we have compiled them
> into this slideshow (https://w.wiki/3NZ), including a short video guide
> for team
> applications.
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> If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact Melissa
> Guadalupe Huertas via email: mguadal...@wikimedia.org. We appreciate you
> sharing this among your networks and we look forward to reading more
> applications.
>
> Cheers!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Science Portal? And Other Open * Portals?

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On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 3:58 AM Svetlana Belkin 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I know there is a FOSS portal


Links/examples almost always help!
I'd guess you mean this page or the pages it links to:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FLOSS-Exchange
but many other people won't know what you're referring to. Please include
links when talking about something specific!

but are there any portals for other Open *
> topics, such as Open Science (including citizen science), Open Access,
>

Yes!
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Open_access


> ect.?


Maybe these (from a very quick search)
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Index
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiCite
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Open_data_publishing
and dozens of other local, or smaller, or older pages such as
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Deutschland/Open_Science_Fellows_Program
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedian_in_Residence_on_Open_Science


> The rationale behind is to have these portals as umbrella groups
> for resources and what's there in these big movement topics and have
> them in one place- which is Wikipedia. Would this idea be worth it for
> the other movements?
>

Yes, please do update / improve the documentation.

If it's a major topic and after searching you cannot find anything central,
then perhaps start out by creating a disambiguation / linkhub  for the
pages that you can find, and expand from there - that way you can try to
make sure you've found all the existing pages to begin with, and don't
start off by accidentally re-inventing the wheel (portal)! We have a lot of
historic link-lists / portals that are started and then abandoned and then
accidentally reinvented elsewhere a few years later.

Hope that helps.
Quiddity
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia has been accepted as a mentor organization in GSoC 2019!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

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This is a long thread, with a somewhat confusing first post.  One of
the core ideas I can pull out of it, is along the lines of: "we should
have more dynamically variable content for different audiences/needs".
I.e. For any given topic: Some people want the 10 word version, Some
people want the 2 sentence version, Some people want the 2 paragraph
version, Some people want the 2,000 word version, Some people want the
20,000 word version, and Some people want the n-subarticles version.

This is a broad set of ideas that has come up regularly over our
history. It has obvious connections to Wiktionary and Wikidata for the
shortest "versions". It has obvious connections to the spectrum of
Mergism to Seperatism.[1] It has obvious connections to manual of
style guidelines about intro/lead-sections.[2] It has obvious
connections to Simple Wikipedia and the various
adapted-for-kids/schools versions (WikiJunior, Vikidia, and many
more). It has obvious connections to different display/consumption
types (widescreen vs tablet vs phone vs audio).

The first two version-types have been proposed, or implemented, in
various forms many times. A few years ago I made a summary table of
the existing variations, in an attempt to stop the
wheel-reinvention.[3]

Making complex content be /dynamically variable/ in length, has also
been tried externally before. As I wrote in an earlier Strategy
discussion:
"For example, The Encyclopedia of Life had an interesting "complexity
slider" interface in their early versions, that let readers set how
complex or scientific/formal they wanted their content [See ancient
screencast at youtube -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28T7q01pG50&t=167 (30 seconds worth)
and the preferences panel that let the reader restrict the content to
"Authoritative sources only" youtube -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C05jAgJkuPw&t=198 (40 seconds)]. -- A
10 year old person doesn't (always/often) benefit from the same
content as a PhD, and we want to help both. The books The Diamond Age
and Ender's Game contained the idea of software that auto-adapted to
suit the educational needs of the user. To me that's the final goal,
and it's a long way off, but we can make steps and experiments towards
it."[4]

Sadly, EoL removed that feature and I don't know why; perhaps due to
software complexity or perhaps due to the complexity for authors of
writing different versions. I do think dynamic content is an
incredibly important goal that we should work towards, but I also
think we're already in midst of many incredibly important and vastly
complex goals and I suspect we don't have the capacity to scale to
encompass many more simultaneously. However, Eventualism is
(generally) what got us to where we are, and is likely what will get
us to where we want/need to be.

TLDR: I hope some people collaborate on a wikipage to write down the
various ways a dynamic content system might technically work, so that
we can analyze the pros/cons of each method more efficiently than in a
tangent-filled email thread. I hope we eventually have a glorious
scifi future where the computers automagically adapt content,
neutrally(!), to best fit our individual needs in the moment. I hope
we can figure out a smooth transition path to move everyone happily
towards that long-term future goal, perhaps as part of the Strategy
discussions. I hope nobody attempts to get it all done too soon. ;-)

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mergism and
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Separatism
[2] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10966628 and related sections
within other pages.
[3] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Concise_Wikipedia#A_summary_of_existing_short-options,_using_an_example
[4] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikimedia_Strategy_2017/Cycle_1#External_collaboration,_wider_usage,_slow_evolution,_more_patience,_better_tools_and_documentation

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cheat sheets visual editing on Wikipedia

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Hello. New user - which mailing list should i use ?

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On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 4:12 PM  wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 3:23 AM James Hare  wrote:
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> > It sounds like you would like the MediaWiki-l mailing list. MediaWiki is
> > the software that runs Wikipedia and many similar projects.
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
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> Thats this list :) the one i posted to.
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Briefly:
This list is
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
you want
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

(The confusion is legendary. See
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipmediawiki for details. :)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

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On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 8:08 AM, John Erling Blad  wrote:
> As I recall, communication with newcomers by templates was found to be a
> negative factor.
>

The results from past research are Not easy to summarize, and
definitely not that simple, because of all the varying factors in both
the templates and the research projects.
E.g. message-length/-linkcount/-tone/-formatting (all of which slowly
change over the years), the reason/timing for receiving a welcome
(account-creation, first-edit, random edit, time-after-event), whether
anything else was communicated around the same time (e.g. additional
warning templates) on the same page or elsewhere, whether the welcome
was personalized at all, what username it was signed with (a human
name in my language, a funny avatar name, a generic bot-name, etc),
etc -- all of which can be different (subtly or significantly) at
every project and every instance).
Some relevant links include:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:New_editor_welcome_wishlist#Results_and_discussion
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_A/B_testing/Results#Welcome_messages
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Rhetoric_of_the_welcome_message
but there are many more formal and informal attempts to understand and
improve it all (from Enwiki's Teahouse initiatives, to all the
scattered multilingual template_talk and wikiproject discussions (from
Q6137590, to all the topic-specific wikiprojects)).

TL;DR: Onboarding is complicated.
Many people are helped by welcome messages.
Many welcome messages are (or were) imperfect (too
long/dense/formal/informal/irrelevant/technical/etc).
I do not know if there is any specific research that focuses purely on
the timing (whether it is best to send at account-creation, after
first-edit, after human-review of an edit, whilst the user is
logged-in or offline, etc), but I agree it might be useful.

Here are some of the other research projects that look at welcome
templates as one of the factors, but not the primary focus,
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:New_user_help_requests/Full_report
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Ignored_period_and_retention
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Framing_Support_for_Newcomers
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Alternative_lifecycles_of_new_users

Lastly, regarding the specific instance of Arwiki
- it's better than nothing, because some people will Not edit until
given some encouragement, and some people like to read the rules
before they start something.
- It would be good if the bot could distinguish between
accounts-made-locally (i.e. likely to be able to read Arabic) vs
accounts-attached-via-Single-User-Login (and to only send those latter
accounts a welcome message, after they've made 1 edit locally). I
don't know if that is currently possible or feasible.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] 2017 Community Wishlist Survey starts today!

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Completely fixed link:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/2017_Community_Wishlist_Survey
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] what made me happy this week

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My mistake, there is a one line reference to Wikipedia in the lyrics.
(The time_continue parameter didn't work on my first play through, but
I checked again to be sure and then I heard the reference.) Sorry for
the mistake. My other points stand. 

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 6:29 PM, quiddity  wrote:
> James, that video does Not seem to have any connection to the
> Wikimedia movement. (I checked the credits, but didn't watch the whole
> song).
> Please don't distract the hundreds of subscribers here with irrelevant 
> content.
> Bare links without any explanation are also an anti-pattern to avoid.
> Thanks.
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> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 6:13 PM, James Salsman  wrote:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=150&v=Eijc2tGe-zM
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] what made me happy this week

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James, that video does Not seem to have any connection to the
Wikimedia movement. (I checked the credits, but didn't watch the whole
song).
Please don't distract the hundreds of subscribers here with irrelevant content.
Bare links without any explanation are also an anti-pattern to avoid.
Thanks.

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 6:13 PM, James Salsman  wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=150&v=Eijc2tGe-zM
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

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On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland
 wrote:
> As far as i know, it is the only project that the initiative Women in red
> contribute to, which is the initial subject of this thread.
>

Sidenote: the WikiProject itself does exist on other languages/projects:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q23875215
but this particular contribution drive is only focused on English
Wikipedia. I imagine it would be significantly harder to coordinate an
equivalent endeavor across multiple languages/communities
simultaneously. Perhaps other languages could set up something similar
for themselves?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

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rote:
>
>> On 2 September 2017 at 02:09, Michael Peel  wrote:
>>
>> > This is possibly the most annoying feature of the Wikimedia projects at
>> the moment. You access a page. Then you start reading or editing it. And
>> then suddenly the page jumps when a fundraising banner / central notice /
>> gadget / beta feature loads. So you have to start reading the page again,
>> or you have to find where you were editing again, or you have to undo the
>> change you just made since you made it in the wrong part of the page.
>>
>>
>> Or you click "edit" and it hits the banner that suddenly popped up
>> under your click. 
>>
>>
>> - d.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looks familiar?

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Related discussions at:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_merchandise#Puzzle_Globe
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_merchandise#3D_Puzzle_Globe_Paperweight
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_merchandise/Design_ideas#3D_Puzzle_Globe
and other notes at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_logos#3D_versions

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 3:57 AM, James Heilman  wrote:
> Yes I have looked into creating such an object and I still think it is a
> cool idea. I have the plain world one sitting on my desk. I think I bought
> it via amazon.
>
> James
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 3:45 AM, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) <
> viswapra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On the other hand, we should think of creating a mercantile toy / SWAG of
>> the same style. :)
>>
>> On 21 July 2017 at 14:33, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel > >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Ammm.. Anyone know where I can buy such a globe? ;)
>> >
>> >
>> > - Sent from mobile
>> >
>> > On Jul 18, 2017 16:28, "Trey Jones"  wrote:
>> >
>> > Searching google images for *jigsaw globe* or *jigsaw sphere *gives many
>> > similar images. I don't think Wikipedia owns the rights to the idea of a
>> > sphere made of jigsaw pieces.
>> >
>> > The particular image on the cover of that book is derived from a stock
>> > photo:
>> >
>> > https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/jigsaw-globe-
>> > puzzle-on-white-47983681
>> >
>> > So, familiar? Yes. Concern? I don't think so.
>> >
>> > —Trey
>> >
>> > Trey Jones
>> > Software Engineer, Discovery
>> > Wikimedia Foundation
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 3:37 AM, Gordon Joly 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0119PZ7F2/
>> > >
>> > > This image looks very much like the Wikimedia graphic?
>> > >
>> > > Gordo
>> > >
>> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia: The Text Adventure

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On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 7:12 AM, Johan Jönsson  wrote:
> http://kevan.org/wikitext/
>
> Nice concept.
>

Ah neat, this is by the same person who created this, which I enjoyed
https://github.com/kevandotorg/nanogenmo-2015 "//Around the World in X
Wikipedia Articles// - generating a 50,000 word novel using
Wikipedia's API to pull out location coordinates and descriptions."


His other earlier WP-related game is http://kevan.org/catfishing.php
"Catfishing is a guessing game built from Wikipedia articles"

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 18 June 2017)

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On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 9:36 AM, quiddity  wrote:
>

[and now with functional links...]
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/776155051164484447/28E97E8E84B87B493DFC030BB7EC24941153555E/
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/776155051161527940/37B6D43A1ED2AA3B1BBD4FAC03A8715E8C005510/
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/776155947779316008/25065E3A5E124FAD31C6AC715691B27A95C807F7/

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 18 June 2017)

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Making me happy for the last few weeks:
The whimsical computer game/sandbox-toy ''Everything'',[1] which I think is
a cross between the video ''Powers of Ten'',[2] and the game ''Katamari
Damacy''.[3] It's a whimsical walking simulator, in which you change
size-scales (photon to galaxy), collect and transform between hundreds of
entity types, and listen to occasional speech excerpts from Alan Watts and
a pleasant long instrumental soundtrack.

Relevance: It has an "autoplay" mode, which essentially transforms it into
a wonderful screensaver. That autoplay mode includes a "documentary-mode"
feature, which adds text descriptions. Many of those descriptions come from
(English & Simple) Wikipedia! See screenshots:
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/77615505116448444
7/28E97E8E84B87B493DFC030BB7EC24941153555E/
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/77615505116152794
0/37B6D43A1ED2AA3B1BBD4FAC03A8715E8C005510/
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/77615594777931600
8/25065E3A5E124FAD31C6AC715691B27A95C807F7/

1. http://www.everything-game.com/ (Linux/Mac/Win/PS4, available on
GOG/Itch/Steam/Humble)
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_of_Ten_(film) 
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katamari_Damacy
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki-research-l] Video demos of upcoming changes to edit review / RC patrol

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

Hi Kerry,
The short answer is yes! the Collaboration Team is working now to extend
the new user interface so that it includes all the existing features on the
Recent Changes page, Watchlist and a few related pages—along with some new
tools users are requesting. We’re doing user testing right now of this
extended functionality (which includes things like Namespace filters, Tag
filters, User filters and, possibly, a Category filter).
When we have it all working the way it should, we plan to bring the new UI
and tools to Watchlist. This should happen in the next few months.

However, it is also already possible to add a "On [my] watchlist" filter or
highlight, to the results on the recent changes page.
E.g.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&watchlist=watched
or
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&watchlist=watched

Further details are in the main documentation at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Edit_Review_Improvements
and pages linked in the side-navbox.

Feedback appreciated at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Edit_Review_Improvements/New_filters_for_edit_review

Cheers,

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Kerry Raymond 
wrote:

> I only watched the first video but I can see it is  useful addition to
> managing a large number of recent changes. Is there any plan to offer a
> similar service with watchlists?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wiki-research-l [mailto:wiki-research-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org]
> On Behalf Of Pine W
> Sent: Monday, 29 May 2017 7:42 AM
> To: wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org; Wikimedia Mailing List <
> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>; Wiki Research-l  wikimedia.org>
> Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Video demos of upcoming changes to edit review
> / RC patrol
>
> I'd like to highlight two videos (some people may have already seen these)
> that demo upcoming changes to edit review / RC patrol that take advantage
> of ORES. I feel that that the changes look promising, and I hope that RC
> patrollers, Teahouse hosts, newbie adopters, and others will find that the
> changes make their work easier. I also hope for improved retention of
> good-faith contributors.
>
> 0. A succinct overview by Joe Matazzoni (WMF):
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3ANew-
> feature_demo%E2%80%94smart_Recent_Changes_filtering_with_ORES.webm
>
> 1. A more extensive overview, also by Joe, including valuable context,
> from the WMF Metrics Meeting for May 2017:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAGwQdLyFb4 between 15:00 and 28:15.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Turn the extension for ContentTranslation off?

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

Note, this thread was forked into a different subject/title.
See - "[Wikimedia-l] machine translation" - for newer discussion and detail.

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[Wikimedia-l] Server switch 2017 - Short editing outages on Wednesday, 19 April 2017 and Wednesday, 3 May 2017

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

Reminder, this is coming next week.

**You will be able to read, but not edit, all wikis for a short period of
time.**

* You will not be able to edit for approximately 20 to 30 minutes on
Wednesday, 19 April and Wednesday, 3 May. The test will start at 14:00
<https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20170419T14> UTC
(15:00 BST, 16:00 CEST, 10:00 EDT, 07:00 PDT, 23:00 JST, and in New Zealand
at 02:00 NZST on Thursday 20 April and Thursday 4 May).

Additional / translated short details:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server_switch_2017
**Please share this information with your community** (It has been widely
announced already, but just in case.)

Technical details:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2017-April/087919.html

Thank you.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

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* The people in the WMF and the Affiliates are /part of/ of the communities.
* Even the people without extensive years of volunteering, or those who
only started volunteering at the same time as they became professionally
involved, are part of the communities.
* It is illogical for us to tell the people who take on highly-active
roles, that they are no longer able to lead.
* We (collectively) try to encourage the extremely capable volunteers to
apply for jobs, and for grants.
* If Wikimedia Cascadia becomes a well-funded chapter, and you were a
staffer of it, would you become ineligible to lead proposals that effect
your area of activity?

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On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> Let me rephrase and elaborate on that point. Phabricator and MediaWiki
> aren't the WMF wiki. I think that WMF employees' proposals, comments,
> questions, and suggestions can be welcome for TCoC drafting. However, in
> terms of process leadership and in terms of proportion of input, I would
> like to see -- and I think that the proposal would be more likely to pass
> an RfC on adoption for the whole document -- community leadership of the
> process, and a greater proportion of community input.
>
> Pine
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Erik Bernhardson <
> ebernhard...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Pine W  wrote:
> > >
> > > A point I should make is that I think that Matthew and others made some
> > > good-faith efforts with the current draft. I would have proposed far
> less
> > > WMF involvement with the draft
> >
> >
> > One thing I just don't understand here, why should the people that
> > participate in technical spaces more than most (because it's their job to
> > do so) not be involved?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to communicate compassionately with non-native English speakers

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On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Yusuke Matsubara  wrote:

> Perhaps https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Writing_clearly as well?
>
>
Perfect, thanks! I had already watchlisted that at some point, but I didn't
find it whilst searching. I'll look around later, to see where else that
page could be usefully linked from.


On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 5:05 AM, Birgit Müller
>  wrote:
> > Nick, thanks for sharing! This is really awesome. (Or should I write:
> "This
> > is helpful" to fit into the German stereotype? :D)
>

Haha! Yes, at Wikimania, various people from a few Northern European
countries commented on the habit in some cultures (particularly North
American) of frequently using superlatives. The tangential example that I
immediately thought of, is the song from The Lego Movie, "Everything Is
Awesome".


> Link it on Meta: I found
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Best_practices_in_giving_a_Wikipedia_presentation
> > and
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Presentations, but both pages seem to
> be a
> > bit outdated/not visited very often.
> >
> > Might also make sense to link it on the general conference/Hackathon
> pages
> > like
> >
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathons/Hackathon_tips_for_organizers#Communications
> > ?
>

I was initially thinking of it more as a guide to clearly-written (and
empathetically-read) communication, but yes, presentations are also
relevant. Maybe we should just interlink the [[Writing clearly]] page, from
one or more of those.


On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 12:34 AM, Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi, I have been thinking about what you say. The problem I see is that
> your attitude is one where you have to be compassionate for the benefit of
> people for whom English is a second language. [...]
>

I think I understand what you mean, but I'd suggest that this is a perfect
example of what the article is about.
You have focused on the word-choice of "compassion", and a specific
definition of that word. We could instead, interpret the intent of the
author more towards the definition of "empathy" or "consideration". The
article could (should! AGF!) instead be more generously interpreted, to be
about cross-language communication in general, and to understand that it
was simply written by someone who uses English as their primary language
hence it approaches the issue from that perspective.

I.e. The same advice all applies if you work/communicate in a group that
uses [Japanese] as the primary language, but some of the participants are
not native [Japanese] speakers.

So, I'd reword your conclusion, as "we have to be empathetic (or
considerate) towards people for whom our native language (whatever that may
be) is not their own."

It is tough to consider that it is not so much the words that are used but
> it is understanding what points are made
>

Exactly! :-)  We should be careful about spending too much effort arguing
about the nuances of word choice, especially in informal discussions
(versus drafting a policy or writing code or similar, where word-choice can
be crucial!), and instead try to interpret what other people are
saying/writing, with an assumption of positive intent.

Hope that helps,
Quiddity / Nick
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[Wikimedia-l] How to communicate compassionately with non-native English speakers

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

https://medium.com/@mollyclare/taming-the-steamroller-how-to-communicate-compassionately-with-non-native-english-speakers-d95d8d1845a0
A good essay.

TL;DR: Some detailed examples of how to improve communication and
interactions, for the benefit of anyone who uses English as a second
language.


Excerpts, to whet [sharpen or stimulate] your appetite:

> Phrasal verbs in English can be particularly hard to master. Just think
about “cut off” vs. “cut up” vs. “cut over” vs. “cut in” vs. “cut out” vs.
“cut down” vs. “cut back” and you’ll see how confusing it can be when you
recommend “cutting back” on something, or asking someone to “cut it out”.
[...]

> Make your message very clear, especially your request. This is doubly
true for me, because I work with Germans, who are famously direct. The
American habit of softening and burying a request is just confusing and
pointless to them.

> The last thing you and I want to do is overwhelm. We work across language
barriers, not because it’s glamorous or fun or easy, but because we care
about collaborating with people who are different from us [...]. And
non-native speakers are committing to this collaboration even more than we
are: they’re reaching out to us by working in English. [...]

n.b. Yes, there are some over-generalizations and stereotypes in there.
It's still good overall, though! ;-)


I'd like to link it on Metawiki, but I'm not sure where; Any suggestions?
I've gotten (happily) lost in the [[Multilingual]] disambig page, and the
[[Grants:Learning patterns]] pages, but the only place I can find that
collects advice like this, is the first section at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/Manual#Guidelines - What page
might I have missed?

Quiddity
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Crisis of Confidence

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On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 2:21 AM, Fæ  wrote:

> [...]

With regard to "[the WMF board] delivering services that are of a high
> quality", all the metrics that the WMF report show the opposite. The
> WMF consistently fail to meet the performance targets they set for
> themselves, as you can see from the most recent quarterly report, they
> "missed", i.e. "failed", 35% of all their objectives.[3] In the Retail
> & Telecoms businesses I have worked in, a pattern of poor performance
> like this would see speedy major investment in change and improvement,
> including major changes at the board level.
> [...]
> 3.
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Wikimedia_Foundation_Quarterly_Report,_FY_2015-16_Q2_(October-December).pdf&page=5



The explanation for this, is at the top of
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews
: "NB: In a mature 90-day goalsetting process, the “sweet spot” is for
about 75% of goals to be a success. Organizations that are meeting 100% of
their goals are not typically setting aggressive goals."
Note that partial successes are not also represented, if one just checks
the overview result; it's a simple binary system. See the textual notes for
details about partial successes within individual goals.
Plus, not reaching that 75% target of completely-successful goals, is
perhaps also attributable to the intense and widespread stress of that time
period...
Hope that helps.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Calendars

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Brill Lyle  wrote:

> Hello --
>
> In an effort to de-clutter the Wikimedia NYC calendar -- and to support the
> various initiatives and enhance event calendaring within Wikimedia -- after
> some active discussion, Wikimedia NYC (well that would be me) has set up
> the following calendars.
>
> Many events were pulled from these source:
> - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Events
> - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Events
>
> Ideally a calendar solution would be open source and Wiki-friendly (see
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T1035 Consolidate the many tech events
> calendars in Phabricator's calendar), but Google calendars seem to provide
> the most functionality right now so this is seen as an interim solution.
> For reference: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/calendar/
>
> Please feel free to add events and share widely.
>
> *G L O B A L*
>
>
> *Wikimedia Global Events*
> Calendar ID: 7naa8gc5mjqhgjn1g2pbb48...@group.calendar.google.com
> ics:
>
> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/7naa8gc5mjqhgjn1g2pbb4829s%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
>
>
> *Global Tech Events*
> Calendar ID: 8bkj15efk0qgu4jut3oe5kd...@group.calendar.google.com
> ics:
>
> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/8bkj15efk0qgu4jut3oe5kd5eg%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
>
> --
>
> *I N I T I A T I V E S*
>
> *AfroCROWD*
> Calendar ID: djfkq9sql4h956b8vo6e35h...@group.calendar.google.com
> ics:
>
> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/djfkq9sql4h956b8vo6e35h484%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
>
> *Art+Feminism* -- 3/4 complete, will go back and add missing & updated 2016
> events
> Calendar ID: vpjc23to157rgtvgnkces05...@group.calendar.google.com
> ics:
>
> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/vpjc23to157rgtvgnkces05oq4%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
>
> *Black Lunch Table* -- will double-check complete
> Calendar ID: speen8r33k1oh2e99u608g7...@group.calendar.google.com
> ics:
>
> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/speen8r33k1oh2e99u608g7moc%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
>
> *Black WikiHistory Month*
> Calendar ID: 40pgnrv1hbagcd40ukv6c15...@group.calendar.google.com
> ics:
>
> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/40pgnrv1hbagcd40ukv6c15o0c%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
>
>
> *GLAM*
> Calendar ID: ljmqctd112nju1fsngd1mvb...@group.calendar.google.com
> ics:
>
> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/ljmqctd112nju1fsngd1mvbelc%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
>
> *Women in Red* -- just started, in progress
> Calendar ID: qnadatlib4j65u1cn4ifo17...@group.calendar.google.com
> ics:
>
> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/qnadatlib4j65u1cn4ifo17o4k%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
>
>
>
> *WikimediaNYC*
> Calendar ID: nnvhsl9su019vngvb58qb68...@group.calendar.google.com
> ics:
>
> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/nnvhsl9su019vngvb58qb68u6o%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
>
> *WM NYC Planning* -- Board and Event Planning so not public
> Calendar ID: ed471n0r5vkgg99dn3tau1i...@group.calendar.google.com
> ics:
>
> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/ed471n0r5vkgg99dn3tau1i9vg%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
>
>
> Please forgive typos, errors and works in progress. :-)
>
> - Erika
>
> *Erika Herzog*
> Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle>
> Secretary, Wikimedia NYC
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC>
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Thanks, BrillLyle!
I've been making a related linkdump page at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Calendars,_events,_meetings,_and_conferences
(feel free to add/edit/overhaul/etc) to try to collect and better
understand the various problems, and this interim solution seems like a
good one for the short-term. Extra thanks for clear linking to the .ics
files. :-)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] wikinews has a NPOV policy derived from wikipedia, mamamia ...

[quiddity]

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:42 PM, rupert THURNER
 wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> just as a note, i hate that the blog [5] opens 20 times slower than
> wikinews on my mobile phone, that it is not in different languages,
> that i do not have the "usual mediawiki features".


For translations, see
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog#Translations - If
you're volunteering to help, great!


> i hate that
> signpost [7] cannot be read on mobiles because of formatting.


Last discussed in November at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/Archive_9#Mobile_view_not_great
Example link on mobile:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Single/2016-04-14&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile

For translations, I wish that all the local newspapers (many but not
all of ) were translated into
various languages, but that would be a lot of work.


> i hate
> the glam newsletter [6] for the same reason, despite beeig again on a
> different wiki, no "read in different languages". which is the main
> reason i write this mail


That would be a lot of content to translate every month. E.g.
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/February_2016/Single
- if you're volunteering to do so every month, a comment on the
talkpage might work best.


> [snip]

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cross-wiki notifications beta feature now available on all wikis

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> > Cross-wiki notifications
>
> This is great, thank you.
>
> Two requests:
>
> Please could we have two icons, one for local notifications, another for
> those from elsewhere?
>
>
I've pinged you in the existing discussion about this at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:T03hw9u0lnii21k4


And could we have some way to avoid mass notifications when we are
> mentioned in a newsletter like The Signpost, This Week in GLAM, or the
> Wikidata Weekly Summary, which are posted to many talk pages?
>
>
I've started a topic with some notes about this, at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:T06vs34wgdt4u1ch

Thanks for the suggestions!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cross-wiki notifications beta feature now available on all wikis

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Fæ  wrote:

> Is this change related to the standard notifications pop-up window no
> longer working in Chrome (it just sits waiting to get painted), or was
> that an existing bug?
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
>


Hi Fae,
I've just tested, and the notifications popup window is working for me in
both Chrome and Chromium (and Firefox, my default). If you can still
reproduce this problem, please could you either submit a bug-report to
phabricator, or start a thread at the feedback page,[1] or send them to me
offlist? (With details on your browser/OS versions, any javascript blocking
browser extensions you might use, and if possible what errors you see in
browser console.[2])
Much thanks.
Quiddity / Nick

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help_talk:Notifications
[2] http://webmasters.stackexchange.com/a/77337



> On 11 March 2016 at 07:07, Roan Kattouw  wrote:
> > In late 2015 and early 2016, the Collaboration team worked on building a
> > cross-wiki notification feature: listing notifications from other wikis
> in
> > the notification panel. We made this feature available on a small set of
> > wikis [1] initially, and about six hours ago we made it available on all
> > wikis as a beta feature.
> >
> > You can enable cross-wiki notifications by clicking the "Beta" link [2]
> in
> > the top right corner (or top left in RTL languages) and enabling the
> > "Enhanced notifications" setting. The notification panels (accessible
> > through the bell and speech bubble icons in the top right/left corner)
> will
> > now display an additional item telling you which other wikis you have
> > unread notifications on, and you can click this item to expand it and see
> > those notifications [3]. For more information, see the documentation on
> > mediawiki.org [4], with mostly complete translations in 13 languages at
> the
> > time of this writing.
> >
> > Because we don't have cross-wiki preferences, enabling the beta feature
> on
> > one wiki doesn't automatically enable it on any other wiki. However, you
> > only have to enable the beta feature to see cross-wiki notifications on a
> > wiki, not to get them from that wiki. For example, if you only enable the
> > beta feature on the French Wikipedia, you will see notifications from the
> > French Wikisource, the Spanish Wikipedia and the Upper Sorbian Wiktionary
> > even if you haven't enabled the beta feature on those wikis. In fact, if
> > you've had an account for a while, you are likely to see some very old
> > notifications from wikis you haven't visited in years; Magnus Manske
> > tweeted a screenshot of this yesterday [5].
> >
> > Please try this out and let us know what you think! There's a talk page
> on
> > mediawiki.org [6] where you can leave feedback. If you find a bug,
> please
> > report it on Phabricator [7] or on the feedback page.
> >
> > Thanks a lot to the Collaboration team [8] as well as community liaisons
> > Nick Wilson (Quiddity) and Benoît Evellin (Trizek) for their work on this
> > over the past few months.
> >
> > --Roan Kattouw (User:Catrope)
> >
> > [1] All French wikis, all Hebrew wikis, Commons, Wikidata and
> mediawiki.org
> > [2] Or go to [[Special:Preferences]] and click the "Beta features" tab
> > [3]
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Notification_panel_with_cross-wiki_notification.png
> > [4] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Notifications/Cross-wiki
> > [5] https://twitter.com/MagnusManske/status/707712047065210882
> > [6] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help_talk:Notifications
> > [7]
> >
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?projectPHIDs=Notifications
> > [8] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff#Collaboration
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

Craig, I believe it is all free (not purchased), per
https://www.google.com/intl/en/nonprofits/products/#apps#tab5 ("Google Apps
for Nonprofits")

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Craig Franklin 
wrote:

> My understanding is that the Foundation purchases certain technical and
> apps services (cloud email, for instance) from Google.
>
> Cheers,
> Craig
>
> On 1 March 2016 at 12:15, Risker  wrote:
>
> >
> > I cannot for the life of me imagine what Google sells that the WMF would
> be
> > interested in buying, so I'm finding your example a bit weird.
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Design (for learning)

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Juan de Vojníkov 
wrote:

> Hello folks,
>
> I am looking for someone/institution which is applying a Universal Design,
> by the means of removing all barriers for people with disabilities. Could
> you give me any contacts, case studies or links?
>
> Thank you very much!
>
>
> Juandev
>
>
>
CCing design list.

Hi Juandev, could you give us a few more details on what you're aiming for,
as a goal?
Are you looking for something to help MediaWiki development become more
accessible, or simply for anything related to online accessibility?  Or
offline, too?

If MediaWiki: There's a compilation of the core links at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Accessibility_and_usability_cleanup

If general online accessibility: You might be looking for something like
the work by FLOE and GPII and IDRC. eg
http://www.floeproject.org/prefsEditors.html (click the top-right "Show
display preferences" button, and watch the video) plus everything linked
from there..

If general accessibility: I'm not sure, beyond googling for it.

Hope that helps,
Quiddity
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Collaboration team reprioritization

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

Quick followup, with a reminder that onwiki feedback would be ideal. The
original message is replicated at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:So4pui07y03ibgqq and your input there
will be greatly appreciated.
​Thanks.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Collaboration team reprioritization

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

T​o clarify: Starting in October, Flow will be maintained; it's not being
abandoned. Further work on the discussion system will need to be driven by
communities voicing their desire for further work on it. Additional
development on the discussion system will be prioritized on community
request and on a project by project basis.

As a pattern that we're all familiar with, it's more likely that people
will comment when they have negative or critical feedback, particularly at
a centralized forum. While it's helpful to point out things that are not
user-friendly or are frustrating to use, it's also helpful for the team to
know what is going well - so we can do more of it. I’d like to encourage
people to speak up (here or onwiki) when there's positive feedback as well
– this goes for article-editors as much as software-developers. There are
people on many wikis who have been happily using Flow, but they haven't
gone out of their way to broadcast that information off of their usual home
wiki. What do you like about this software? Is it headed in the right
direction, even if it doesn’t seem complete? Are there things about it that
the Collaboration team could continue to focus on?

See also, the thread on wikitech-l, for additional discussion.
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/83889

Hope that helps
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[Wikimedia-l] [Offtopic] How to improve email-signatures - fixing frustrations - size and images

[quiddity]

A tip/request, for 2 perennial frustrations, re:
* Usage of quite long (e.g. 5+ linebreaks) email-signatures, without the
proper delimiter
* Use of embedded or attached images in email-signatures.


1) Many email clients (including gmail) respect the usage of
"-- "
(*2 dashes, and a space, on a blank line*)
to isolate signature blocks.[1]
It will either auto-collapse the signature, or lighten the text color.
Please add this to the top of your email signature!
(Example at bottom.)


2) Unnecessary images in emails, which require extra downloading on mobile,
plus some users have images-disabled in email (to prevent tracking-images
from spammers, etc) so they just show as empty "placeholders".
Please consider removing any images from your email signature!


Thanks, and I hope that helps someone.
Quiddity / Nick

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=email+signature+delimiter


-- 
A test of a large
signature block
that extends
across many lines.
Preceded by "-- ".
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:58 AM, Ilario Valdelli  wrote:

> [...]
> The first lesson learned is that blind (or almost blind) people use always
> a software of speech synthesis with a speed that makes the audio
> almost unintelligible
> for not experienced people. The operating system provides several tools for
> that including mobile OS.
>
> The second lesson is that this software of speech synthesis is crucial for
> them and they would set and control it. So forget the normal speed of audio
> that everyone of us is experienced to use.



I asked if anyone could point me to examples of "how fast do screenreaders
actually read", a few months ago.[1] The best examples I could find at the
time, are here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izrC4R7SsH4#t=1561s
and here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92pM6hJG6Wo

Searching a few days ago, I learned that the average speed that experienced
users generally use is 250-400 wpm, and that the default settings are
around 180wpm.
(Note: Users seem to typically talk about the speed they use in terms of x%
of maximum, rather than wpm, e.g. "I've got 63% with rate boost, and
rising.  I used to think 75% with JAWS was fast, but not anymore.  I'm just
turning it 1% faster every couple days, and I'm doing it because I can."
[2])

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Words_per_minute#Speech_and_listening says
English language audio books are generally at 140-160 wpm.

[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Archive_13#Good_videos_demonstrating_screenreaders_in_use
[2] http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?id=10649


No one knew that I am from a Wikimedia chapter except the organizers and I
> did several questions about Wikipedia because (I did not know it) it was
> presented as "good" example of website for speech synthesis.
>

I believe this is partially through the long-term efforts of: our
developers who have an understanding of accessibility issues, and our few
blind editors and many sight-impaired editors who give regular feedback and
bugreports.[3] Immense kudos to all of them.

[3] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/accessibility/


(Sidenote:  I compiled a list of all the related pages I could find, at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Accessibility_and_usability_cleanup
Anyone's additions to that listing, or notes/improvements/merge-efforts at
the linked pages over the longterm, would be greatly appreciated. :)

Quiddity
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keep me logged in (for up to 30 days)

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

Thanks Jane,
I've filed a bug at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100818 and I will
ask a few people to take a look.

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:02 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:

> Hello everybody,
>
> I have to login to Wikimedia projects every single time I begin a session
> on my iPad1 now because I cannot select the button on the user login page
> next to the text "Keep me logged in (for up to 30 days)"
>
> I think it's a java mismatch with my old built-in iPad1 safari browser
> (which cannot be updated, as far as I know). Is there anyplace to check
> this box in some other way? Also, is there a reason this box looks like
> this?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Jane
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

[quiddity]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Marc A. Pelletier  wrote:
> On 15-04-01 03:58 PM, Pierre-Selim wrote:
>> This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute pixels,
>> encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels.
>
> That metric is all wrong, because it presumes that all pixels are
> equally valuable.  Surely, you should be also assigning weights to
> pixels depending on how much information they carry - background pixels
> out of the FOV aren't worth as much!
>

I assume you mean "assigning *mass*" to the pixels. Weight is so Earth-centric!

I would like to join the kawaii-pixel WikiProject. Please let me know
when we start debating the relative merits of various color models,
and naming conventions, and kawaii-challenged accessibility tools.
Thanks!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for Flow - 23 March 2015 19:30 UTC / 12:30 PDT

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

Hi,
A quick reminder, this is starting in 1 hour.
Please see below, for the original announcement and links.
Thanks,
Quiddity

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Nick Wilson (Quiddity)
 wrote:
> Hello everyone, (my apologies for cross-posting)
>
> We'll be holding an Office hour for Flow on IRC, this Monday at 19:30
> UTC / 12:30 PST.[1] It will take place in #wikimedia-office on
> Freenode IRC.
> You can find information on how to get online, including a link to a
> webchat option if you don't have an IRC client, on the meta office
> hours page.[2]
> The intended focus is for questions about the LQT -> Flow conversion
> on MediaWiki.org, as discussed in the related wikitech-l thread and
> onwiki.[3][4]
> Everyone is welcome for discussions and question answering. Logs will
> be posted on the meta office hour page afterwards.
>
> Thanks,
> Quiddity
>
> [1] Time conversion:
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=19&min=30&sec=0&day=23&month=03&year=2015
> (30 mins later than previously mentioned)
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours#How_to_participate
> [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Sdoatsbslsafx6lw and at
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/82069
> [4] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow
>
> --
> Nick Wilson (Quiddity)
> Community Liaison
> Wikimedia Foundation

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[Wikimedia-l] Office hours for Flow - 23 March 2015 19:30 UTC / 12:30 PDT

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

Hello everyone, (my apologies for cross-posting)

We'll be holding an Office hour for Flow on IRC, this Monday at 19:30
UTC / 12:30 PST.[1] It will take place in #wikimedia-office on
Freenode IRC.
You can find information on how to get online, including a link to a
webchat option if you don't have an IRC client, on the meta office
hours page.[2]
The intended focus is for questions about the LQT -> Flow conversion
on MediaWiki.org, as discussed in the related wikitech-l thread and
onwiki.[3][4]
Everyone is welcome for discussions and question answering. Logs will
be posted on the meta office hour page afterwards.

Thanks,
Quiddity

[1] Time conversion:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=19&min=30&sec=0&day=23&month=03&year=2015
(30 mins later than previously mentioned)
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours#How_to_participate
[3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Sdoatsbslsafx6lw and at
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/82069
[4] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow

-- 
Nick Wilson (Quiddity)
Community Liaison
Wikimedia Foundation

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Wikipedia needs an IDE, not a WYSIWYG editor"

[quiddity]

On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) 
wrote:

> quiddity, 25/10/2014 20:26:
>
>> We don't have HTML preview, which might be interesting. Surely it's
>> possible to whip up a userscript for it, if anyone would actually find it
>> massively useful. (Or, we can just leave the browser's own Web Developer
>> bar open to see the HTML. ctrl-f is our friend.)
>>
>
> Are you sure we don't? Well, last time I used livepreview was probably
> 2007 or so, but it's still in preferences.
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/special:search/livepreview also not very
> useful.
>
>
See links for "Live preview" earlier on in my message (a.k.a. Ajax
Preview).
(Or to repeat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Js/ajaxPreview which I
heartily recommend, and there are 3 alternative items linked at the bottom
of that page. The one in Special:Preferences isn't nearly as good.)

Re: HTML-preview: I suspect I've misunderstood that section of the Medium
post (I thought he was coming at it from a debugger angle, but possibly
not). Now that I re-read it, I think maybe he's just asking for
"synchronous scrolling & selection-highlighting" in the side-by-side
preview?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Wikipedia needs an IDE, not a WYSIWYG editor"

[quiddity]

On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On 25 October 2014 15:09, Kim Bruning  wrote:
>
[...]

> >
> https://medium.com/@MrJamesFisher/wikipedia-needs-an-ide-not-a-wysiwyg-editor-7acd85b582c8
>
> Quite apart from other issues, the author falls at the first hurdle;
> he fails to say what an IDE is.
>
>
... so, what is it??   /me searches  ah,
Article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_development_environment
Annotated image:
http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/267990999/Integrated_Development_Environment_IDE_software_for_embedded.jpg

We already have many of these components (requested in the medium post, or
in the image), as needed for editing an article:
* Syntax highlighter

(gadget)
* Ajax preview (A few options. I've used user:js/ajaxPreview
 for many years and love
it and strongly recommend it)
* Split preview (side-by-side)
 (although
that doesn't have simultaneous scrolling, which would be fancy/nice. Also
the width-drag doesn't seem to work. It probably just needs an update after
6 years..)
* integrating the diff viewer with the syntax highlighted source text,
sounds incredibly confusing, so let's not do that. Besides, we have ajax
Show Changes.
* We have a Section-edit link, for jumping to the right section
* We have a Template/Page transclusion list, under the edit-source textarea

We don't have HTML preview, which might be interesting. Surely it's
possible to whip up a userscript for it, if anyone would actually find it
massively useful. (Or, we can just leave the browser's own Web Developer
bar open to see the HTML. ctrl-f is our friend.)

It would be nice to get some of those userscripts turned into
(global)Gadgets and/or Extensions, but they're all usable.
The only thing they (and all our fancy optional extras) really need, is
better visibility. There are a number of ideas to do that, at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Redesign_user_preferences
and (especially the bottom of) it's talkpage. More ideas appreciated.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Flow eliminate wikitext sandbox practice?

[quiddity]

On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Jan Ainali  wrote:

> 2014-09-15 23:54 GMT+02:00 James Salsman :
>
> > In the recent discussion of editor engagement effectiveness on
> > wiki-research-l, the question of Flow's affect on talk page wikitext
> > practice arose. I would like to know whether anyone shares my concern
> that
> > eliminating wikitext talk pages will remove what has, for the past few
> > terabytes of edits, served the same purpose as the "sandbox" pages which
> we
> > encourage new editors to practice with.
> >
>
Is that just enwp? On svwp we do not encourage people to use the talk pages
> as sandboxes. Instead we have a default-on gadget with a link to
> [[Special:MyPage/Sandbox]].
>
>
>
62 wikis have that gadget, and 50 of them have it enabled by default
currently, according to
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70499 (which is a bug-ticket
to enable the new Extension, that supercedes the gadget! This will fix the
last-second "jump" that the gadget-version causes, when it nudges the
user/echo/usertalk links to the left/right.  :)
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SandboxLink

I believe it's still in need of translation work if anyone can help with
that :)
https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate/ext-sandboxlink
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Silly question? - What list is meant for what?

[quiddity]

just those pages. E.g.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/User:Rui_Gabriel_Correiashows
all the recent changes, for pages linked within your userpage.

For grander dreams, there is the
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Watchlist_wishlist - We all want an upgrade
(or a few alternatives) to the existing system, but it's a very complicated
beast to grapple with. I believe most of the people with the necessary
expertise are aware of the need, but lacking in available time. Small
features get added or fixed regularly, but an overhaul is in the
backburner/brainstorming stage. (I've got a draft email to send to the EE
mailing list <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee>, some time
soon, to nudge at this. :)



> 2. b) As an add-on to the above, an actual means of communication to
> contact all editors working on a specific these - Asian languages, or
> prehistoric art, for example.
>
>
Wikiprojects are the current solution for this. On the talkpage of most
articles (at Enwiki) are WikiProject Banners, which link to related hubs
for coordination of topic-based work. Eg.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Prehistoric_art and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Languages_of_Asia  That's where you'll
find the editors participating across broad ranges of articles.
There is some interest in investigating better ways of matching editors to
the topics that interest them, but it's still conceptual.


Best regards,
>
> Rui
>

Hope that helps. :)

Quiddity (and partially with my liaison hat)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Quiddity
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