Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-08-05 Thread Shreyas Patankar 
>From what they told me, weekend slots get booked very fast. So I think we
should apply for one well in advance. Does anyone have suggestions for what
date would work best? Saturday afternoons tend to work for most people, in
which case we have a choice between 9/7 and 9/21. Personally, any other
weekend is fine with me as well.

-Shreyas


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Karen Coyle  wrote:

> Thanks. I stopped by the Historical Society last week but the reception
> was not warm. They said they cannot have meetings in their space, and they
> do not have wifi available. So it looks like BPL and campus are our best
> bets.
>
> kc
>
>
> On 8/5/13 9:56 AM, Shreyas Patankar wrote:
>
>> Hi Karen,
>>
>> I just checked with the Berkeley Public Library (central) about
>> availability of their meeting room, this is what they said:
>>
>> -
>>
>> From: *Community Meeting
>> Room*
>> > >>
>>
>> Date: Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:03 AM
>> Subject: RE: Library meeting room
>> To: Shreyas Patankar mailto:spa...@gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>> We have some availability in September.
>>
>> Currently we have the following open times.
>>
>> __ Sat., Sep. 7  10:00 AM – 5:30 PM
>>
>> Sun., Sep. 81:00 PM – 4:30 PM
>>
>> Sun., Sep. 15  1:00 PM – 4:30 PM
>>
>> Sat., Sep. 21   12:30 PM – 5:30 PM
>>
>> Sun., Sep. 22  1:00 PM – 4:30 PM
>>
>> Sun., Sep. 29  1:00 PM – 4:30 PM
>>
>> __ __
>>
>>
>> If one of these will work for you please complete and submit the
>> attached application.
>>
>> __ /~**/
>>
>> */Eve Franklin/*/, Administrative Secretary/
>>
>> /City of Berkeley, Berkeley Public Library / Administration/
>>
>> /2090 Kittredge Street Berkeley, CA 94704/
>>
>> */Website:/*/www.**berkeleypubliclibrary.org
>> 
>> >___**___/
>>
>> */Email/*/: 
>> BerkeleyPublicLibraryMeetingRo**o...@ci.berkeley.ca.us
>> > >_**___/
>>
>> /__ -__/
>>
>>
>> They also told me that we should not have trouble with eligibility as
>> long as the person doing the registration is a Berkeley resident. Does
>> this look like a good option? I think either the 9/7 or 9/21 Saturdays
>> could work fine.
>>
>> Best,
>> Shreyas
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-08-05 Thread Karen Coyle 
Thanks. I stopped by the Historical Society last week but the reception 
was not warm. They said they cannot have meetings in their space, and 
they do not have wifi available. So it looks like BPL and campus are our 
best bets.


kc

On 8/5/13 9:56 AM, Shreyas Patankar wrote:

Hi Karen,

I just checked with the Berkeley Public Library (central) about
availability of their meeting room, this is what they said:

-

From: *Community Meeting
Room*mailto:berkeleypubliclibrarymeetingr...@ci.berkeley.ca.us>>
Date: Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: Library meeting room
To: Shreyas Patankar mailto:spa...@gmail.com>>

We have some availability in September.

Currently we have the following open times.

__ Sat., Sep. 7  10:00 AM – 5:30 PM

Sun., Sep. 81:00 PM – 4:30 PM

Sun., Sep. 15  1:00 PM – 4:30 PM

Sat., Sep. 21   12:30 PM – 5:30 PM

Sun., Sep. 22  1:00 PM – 4:30 PM

Sun., Sep. 29  1:00 PM – 4:30 PM

__ __

If one of these will work for you please complete and submit the
attached application.

__ /~/

*/Eve Franklin/*/, Administrative Secretary/

/City of Berkeley, Berkeley Public Library / Administration/

/2090 Kittredge Street Berkeley, CA 94704/

*/Website:/*/www.berkeleypubliclibrary.org
__/

*/Email/*/: berkeleypubliclibrarymeetingr...@ci.berkeley.ca.us
/

/__ -__/

They also told me that we should not have trouble with eligibility as
long as the person doing the registration is a Berkeley resident. Does
this look like a good option? I think either the 9/7 or 9/21 Saturdays
could work fine.

Best,
Shreyas


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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-08-05 Thread Shreyas Patankar 
Hi Karen,

I just checked with the Berkeley Public Library (central) about
availability of their meeting room, this is what they said:

-

From: Community Meeting Room <
berkeleypubliclibrarymeetingr...@ci.berkeley.ca.us>
Date: Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: Library meeting room
To: Shreyas Patankar 

We have some availability in September.

Currently we have the following open times.

** Sat., Sep. 7  10:00 AM – 5:30 PM

Sun., Sep. 81:00 PM – 4:30 PM

Sun., Sep. 15  1:00 PM – 4:30 PM

Sat., Sep. 21   12:30 PM – 5:30 PM

Sun., Sep. 22  1:00 PM – 4:30 PM

Sun., Sep. 29  1:00 PM – 4:30 PM

** **

If one of these will work for you please complete and submit the attached
application.

** *~*

*Eve Franklin**, Administrative Secretary*

*City of Berkeley, Berkeley Public Library / Administration*

*2090 Kittredge Street Berkeley, CA 94704*

*Website:** www.berkeleypubliclibrary.org*

*Email**: berkeleypubliclibrarymeetingr...@ci.berkeley.ca.us*

* -*
They also told me that we should not have trouble with eligibility as long
as the person doing the registration is a Berkeley resident. Does this look
like a good option? I think either the 9/7 or 9/21 Saturdays could work
fine.

Best,
Shreyas
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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-30 Thread Kevin Gorman 
I definitely think in-person meetings make sense.  As someone who has
attended a lot of them, there's definitely a significant difference between
what types of people and what is accomplished during in-person meetups vs
online ones.  The Berkeley campus group was never really active (it was
more-or-less Matt Senate and Derrick Coetzee's idea, I just signed to hit
the minimum requirement.)

I could probably get a room on UCB's campus (although I won't be a student
for more than another couple weeks I'd probably be able to anyway,) but the
wifi is a pain to set up which makes it a less than ideal choice for a
meet-up location.  I suspect the library would be willing to host us given
how much libraries tend to like Wikipedia (potentially helped by the fact
that we are right next to the WMF.)  I would like to host an editathon in
the non-student cooperative in northern oakland I live in at some point,
but that will probably be a little bit away and not necessarily a frequent
event.

I'll definitely show up wherever there is a meetup though :)

---
Kevin Gorman

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Wjhonson  wrote:

>  The issue I've always had with IRC is that if you are not a gear-head,
> you really have never used it.  The logs are *mostly* either not indexed at
> Google, or not even kept at all, so you cannot link to a discussion of what
> this one or that one said, and you cannot read those discussions.
>
> Yes I'm aware that *some* chats are being logged.
>
> If the community wants to *reach out* to all the non technologists, IRC is
> not the way to reach.
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: Karen Coyle 
> To: wikimedia-sf 
> Sent: Tue, Jul 30, 2013 6:27 am
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians
>
>  On 7/29/13 8:12 PM, Jeremy Baron wrote:
>
> >
> > I think IRC's not too scary if there's an appointed meeting time with
> > people that are guaranteed to be friendly and helpful and there's only
> > one channel to have to pay attention to. It's easy to make a webchat
> > link with the fields all pre-filled (e.g. with the channel name. or
> > even IRC nick)
>
> IRC is not scary for you, but it is a significant barrier to anyone who
> doesn't already know it. So, no, I personally will not be organizing any
> "meetings" on IRC. YMMV.
>
> kc
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-30 Thread Wjhonson 

 The issue I've always had with IRC is that if you are not a gear-head, you 
really have never used it.  The logs are *mostly* either not indexed at Google, 
or not even kept at all, so you cannot link to a discussion of what this one or 
that one said, and you cannot read those discussions.

Yes I'm aware that *some* chats are being logged.

If the community wants to *reach out* to all the non technologists, IRC is not 
the way to reach.

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Karen Coyle 
To: wikimedia-sf 
Sent: Tue, Jul 30, 2013 6:27 am
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians


On 7/29/13 8:12 PM, Jeremy Baron wrote:

>
> I think IRC's not too scary if there's an appointed meeting time with
> people that are guaranteed to be friendly and helpful and there's only
> one channel to have to pay attention to. It's easy to make a webchat
> link with the fields all pre-filled (e.g. with the channel name. or
> even IRC nick)

IRC is not scary for you, but it is a significant barrier to anyone who 
doesn't already know it. So, no, I personally will not be organizing any 
"meetings" on IRC. YMMV.

kc



 
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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-30 Thread Karen Coyle 

On 7/29/13 8:12 PM, Jeremy Baron wrote:



I think IRC's not too scary if there's an appointed meeting time with
people that are guaranteed to be friendly and helpful and there's only
one channel to have to pay attention to. It's easy to make a webchat
link with the fields all pre-filled (e.g. with the channel name. or
even IRC nick)


IRC is not scary for you, but it is a significant barrier to anyone who 
doesn't already know it. So, no, I personally will not be organizing any 
"meetings" on IRC. YMMV.


kc





Unfortunately, Google, being now a key player in the
military-industrial-surveillance community is something I would not
recommend for anyone to join, although current members may wish to meet on a
hangout. It works well for small numbers, but I have never tried to push it
beyond 3-4 participants.


I guess you mean recent NSA shenanigans? I'm still expecting/eager to
hear more details (e.g. the details Google and others have requested
that they be allowed to release) but I think that news doesn't change
much. You should have (IMHO) already been nearly as concerned about
Google 3 months ago as you are today.

I've seen hangouts with dozens of people first hand (and I think at
least 8 active speakers?). I personally think being open to a
substantial number of passive viewers is more important than not using
Google for anything. (but I'm not even sure what the subject is... if
it's really just an editathon/workshop that's different than a meeting
to plan or organize something)


I'm not sure what kind of discussion relating to Wikipedia would be
appropriate for an online meetup, but maybe others have an idea.


I'm not sure either and I like in-person meetings. I was just
responding to the earlier suggestion for online meetings. But not my
region so I'll try to stick mostly to the sidelines.

-Jeremy

P.S. I don't ever hangout (and already wasn't 3 months ago) from the
same Google account I use for anything else. and sometimes I even make
a brand new Google account from scratch for a particular hangout and
then never uses that account again. I think I've only been an active
participant in ~3-4 hangouts ever but I've passively viewed the
livestream of a hangout on air for other hangouts.

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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-30 Thread Karen Coyle 
Maybe I should clarify that my idea for a Berkeley group is that it is a 
group that will (mostly) meet in Berkeley. That says nothing about who 
*can* attend -- anyone who wants to come can come. But I'm in Berkeley 
and I want there to be some meetings in Berkeley. That's all.


kc

On 7/29/13 7:29 PM, maiki wrote:

We had a similar discussion back in January:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Groups/San_Francisco#New.2C_related_group_starting_up_23290

I hope folks get together and edit lots of pages. For my part, I don't
want to be part of a group or chapter, I would rather just have an easy
way to follow get togethers, and pick which ones I show up at. This is
the only Wikipedia list I will subscribe to, so if folks do end up
making new groups, please include a page of events I can watch somewhere
(http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Groups?) or make a calendar available.

Part of accessibility is being flexible and considerate of folks who
work all kinds of hours and also have childcare needs, among others. The
very act of creating a group signals to some that they have to be more
involved than you would propose, so I advocate for an informal group
that uses the existing channels to broadcast their meetings, at least
until they've hit that critical mass that they need to create their own
bureaucracy. ^_^

More pointed, I would be interested in attending and acting as roving
support; I don't have a lot of knowledge about any local areas, but I
geek out on MediaWiki, and have experience as an editor in the sense of
checking others' work. I hope you folks success in getting a space
somewhere.

maiki


On 07/29/2013 05:53 PM, Sabahat Ashraf ("iFaqeer") wrote:

I want to chime in and support this proposal. If the group gets too
big and we have a lot of people from Oakland or Fremont (my personal
home), we can "spin out", but for now, please consider this. If not in
the name, at least in terms of how the chapter is defined and
described.

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On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Sarah Stierch  wrote:

Hi,

Weird request and I understand if it gets shot down for locality:

If a Berkeley meetup group is being formed, think we can create it as an East 
Bay group instead?

I live in Oakland, and I think ideally it would be unifying (since our groups are so 
small) to make it an encompassing group so folks throughout the region feel welcome. But, 
I also understand if folks want to keep it Berkeley-centric for Berkeley locals. (And 
those who feel bold enough to "act" like like one/invade :) )

Thanks for taking the lead on this, it is very appreciated!

Sarah

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:17 AM, Karen Coyle  wrote:


Hello, all.

I've taken up the organizer role for the Berkeley Wikipedia meet-up group. I'll 
do some figuring out on how to use Meetup. Would the person who volunteered to 
find a space on UC campus please contact me?

I presume that we are aiming at a September first meeting, given how summer 
seems to disrupt schedules.

If we can't find other meet-up places, my home has wifi, various computers and 
screens, networked printing, and a fridge. We can try a meeting here, if it's 
not a large one.

kc
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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-29 Thread Jeremy Baron 
Hi,

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Karen Coyle  wrote:
> As I said,
> what I've found about WP meetups is that people each work on a different
> page, but make use of nearby folks for advice, ideas, and company.

+1

> I do agree that any kind of meeting has more chance of success if it has a
> theme or project. For Berkeley, the Berkeley-specific pages are in need of
> work, so we can easily start there. It would be fun, if we could do it, to
> meet with the public library librarian in charge of the history archives.

Sounds fun!

> I feel strongly about encouraging non-nerd humanists to participate in WP,
> as well as people of all ages and levels of computer experience. I believe
> that this was also the motivation for the development of the WYSIWYG editor:
> for some people, wiki markup alone is a deterrent. I would say the same
> about IRC, which is a nerd-heavy communications channel.

I think IRC's not too scary if there's an appointed meeting time with
people that are guaranteed to be friendly and helpful and there's only
one channel to have to pay attention to. It's easy to make a webchat
link with the fields all pre-filled (e.g. with the channel name. or
even IRC nick)

> Unfortunately, Google, being now a key player in the
> military-industrial-surveillance community is something I would not
> recommend for anyone to join, although current members may wish to meet on a
> hangout. It works well for small numbers, but I have never tried to push it
> beyond 3-4 participants.

I guess you mean recent NSA shenanigans? I'm still expecting/eager to
hear more details (e.g. the details Google and others have requested
that they be allowed to release) but I think that news doesn't change
much. You should have (IMHO) already been nearly as concerned about
Google 3 months ago as you are today.

I've seen hangouts with dozens of people first hand (and I think at
least 8 active speakers?). I personally think being open to a
substantial number of passive viewers is more important than not using
Google for anything. (but I'm not even sure what the subject is... if
it's really just an editathon/workshop that's different than a meeting
to plan or organize something)

> I'm not sure what kind of discussion relating to Wikipedia would be
> appropriate for an online meetup, but maybe others have an idea.

I'm not sure either and I like in-person meetings. I was just
responding to the earlier suggestion for online meetings. But not my
region so I'll try to stick mostly to the sidelines.

-Jeremy

P.S. I don't ever hangout (and already wasn't 3 months ago) from the
same Google account I use for anything else. and sometimes I even make
a brand new Google account from scratch for a particular hangout and
then never uses that account again. I think I've only been an active
participant in ~3-4 hangouts ever but I've passively viewed the
livestream of a hangout on air for other hangouts.

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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-29 Thread maiki 
We had a similar discussion back in January:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Groups/San_Francisco#New.2C_related_group_starting_up_23290

I hope folks get together and edit lots of pages. For my part, I don't
want to be part of a group or chapter, I would rather just have an easy
way to follow get togethers, and pick which ones I show up at. This is
the only Wikipedia list I will subscribe to, so if folks do end up
making new groups, please include a page of events I can watch somewhere
(http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Groups?) or make a calendar available.

Part of accessibility is being flexible and considerate of folks who
work all kinds of hours and also have childcare needs, among others. The
very act of creating a group signals to some that they have to be more
involved than you would propose, so I advocate for an informal group
that uses the existing channels to broadcast their meetings, at least
until they've hit that critical mass that they need to create their own
bureaucracy. ^_^

More pointed, I would be interested in attending and acting as roving
support; I don't have a lot of knowledge about any local areas, but I
geek out on MediaWiki, and have experience as an editor in the sense of
checking others' work. I hope you folks success in getting a space
somewhere.

maiki


On 07/29/2013 05:53 PM, Sabahat Ashraf ("iFaqeer") wrote:
> I want to chime in and support this proposal. If the group gets too
> big and we have a lot of people from Oakland or Fremont (my personal
> home), we can "spin out", but for now, please consider this. If not in
> the name, at least in terms of how the chapter is defined and
> described.
> 
> Sabahat.
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> Communicator. Citizen. Fakir.
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> darwaish @ yahoo
> 415 881 7834
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Sarah Stierch  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Weird request and I understand if it gets shot down for locality:
>>
>> If a Berkeley meetup group is being formed, think we can create it as an 
>> East Bay group instead?
>>
>> I live in Oakland, and I think ideally it would be unifying (since our 
>> groups are so small) to make it an encompassing group so folks throughout 
>> the region feel welcome. But, I also understand if folks want to keep it 
>> Berkeley-centric for Berkeley locals. (And those who feel bold enough to 
>> "act" like like one/invade :) )
>>
>> Thanks for taking the lead on this, it is very appreciated!
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:17 AM, Karen Coyle  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, all.
>>>
>>> I've taken up the organizer role for the Berkeley Wikipedia meet-up group. 
>>> I'll do some figuring out on how to use Meetup. Would the person who 
>>> volunteered to find a space on UC campus please contact me?
>>>
>>> I presume that we are aiming at a September first meeting, given how summer 
>>> seems to disrupt schedules.
>>>
>>> If we can't find other meet-up places, my home has wifi, various computers 
>>> and screens, networked printing, and a fridge. We can try a meeting here, 
>>> if it's not a large one.
>>>
>>> kc
>>> --
>>> Karen Coyle
>>> kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
>>> ph: 1-510-540-7596
>>> m: 1-510-435-8234
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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-29 Thread Sabahat Ashraf ("iFaqeer") 
I want to chime in and support this proposal. If the group gets too
big and we have a lot of people from Oakland or Fremont (my personal
home), we can "spin out", but for now, please consider this. If not in
the name, at least in terms of how the chapter is defined and
described.

Sabahat.
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On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Sarah Stierch  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Weird request and I understand if it gets shot down for locality:
>
> If a Berkeley meetup group is being formed, think we can create it as an East 
> Bay group instead?
>
> I live in Oakland, and I think ideally it would be unifying (since our groups 
> are so small) to make it an encompassing group so folks throughout the region 
> feel welcome. But, I also understand if folks want to keep it 
> Berkeley-centric for Berkeley locals. (And those who feel bold enough to 
> "act" like like one/invade :) )
>
> Thanks for taking the lead on this, it is very appreciated!
>
> Sarah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:17 AM, Karen Coyle  wrote:
>
>> Hello, all.
>>
>> I've taken up the organizer role for the Berkeley Wikipedia meet-up group. 
>> I'll do some figuring out on how to use Meetup. Would the person who 
>> volunteered to find a space on UC campus please contact me?
>>
>> I presume that we are aiming at a September first meeting, given how summer 
>> seems to disrupt schedules.
>>
>> If we can't find other meet-up places, my home has wifi, various computers 
>> and screens, networked printing, and a fridge. We can try a meeting here, if 
>> it's not a large one.
>>
>> kc
>> --
>> Karen Coyle
>> kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
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>> m: 1-510-435-8234
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2013-07-29 Thread maiki 
The BPL website is notorious for being outdated and/or misleading. I've
been to their community room as part of groups that wouldn't meet those
criteria in the least. I think the limiting factor there is scheduling
it, so I encourage you to follow up on that route. ^_^

maiki


On 07/29/2013 01:04 PM, Karen Coyle wrote:
> Hi, Shreyas. Thanks.
> 
> The problem with the campus is that its wifi is not open - each user has
> to have a separate login. There are folks who can give us logins, but
> it's a bit of a pain.
> 
> The BPL has open wifi, but their public room rules say:
> 
> "Permission to use the Library’s Community Rooms or Electronic Classroom
> will be granted to Berkeley-based civic, cultural, educational
> organizations or businesses, or to locally-operating government
> agencies, departments or commissions. Organizations not located in
> Berkeley may be required to provide proof of regular operation or
> programs within Berkeley such as brochures, newsletters or website
> printouts."
> 
> However, Asaf got a room there once, so I'm going to consider that a
> possibility.
> 
> kc
> 
> On 7/29/13 11:02 AM, Shreyas Patankar wrote:
>> Hi Karen,
>>
>> Sorry I did not get back to you earlier. I can think of a couple of
>> options so far:
>>
>> 1) Campus libraries: It seems it is easy for registered campus
>> organizations to get access to meeting rooms. The problem is, although
>> Berkeley Wikipedia club is a registered group, room reservation can only
>> be done by a "signatory" for the group. The group mailing list itself is
>> inactive - I wonder if anyone on this list (Kevin Gorman?) is a
>> signatory.
>>
>> 2) The Berkeley Public Library: They seem to have a public room for
>> community events (free, with free wifi) if you book it well in advance.
>> http://www.berkeleypubliclibrary.org/community/book_a_meeting_room.php
>>
>> 3) I've written to my friend who works with the Compass Project, a
>> student support group in the physical sciences, to see if they have any
>> space that we can use - but I've yet to hear back from them.
>>
>> Among these, the Berkeley Public Library looks like the safest bet. I'll
>> let you know if I can think of anything else..
>>
>> -Shreyas

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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-29 Thread Karen Coyle 

Jeremy,

I'm not sure what kind of discussion relating to Wikipedia would be 
appropriate for an online meetup, but maybe others have an idea. As I 
said, what I've found about WP meetups is that people each work on a 
different page, but make use of nearby folks for advice, ideas, and company.


I feel strongly about encouraging non-nerd humanists to participate in 
WP, as well as people of all ages and levels of computer experience. I 
believe that this was also the motivation for the development of the 
WYSIWYG editor: for some people, wiki markup alone is a deterrent. I 
would say the same about IRC, which is a nerd-heavy communications channel.


Unfortunately, Google, being now a key player in the 
military-industrial-surveillance community is something I would not 
recommend for anyone to join, although current members may wish to meet 
on a hangout. It works well for small numbers, but I have never tried to 
push it beyond 3-4 participants.


I do agree that any kind of meeting has more chance of success if it has 
a theme or project. For Berkeley, the Berkeley-specific pages are in 
need of work, so we can easily start there. It would be fun, if we could 
do it, to meet with the public library librarian in charge of the 
history archives.


kc

On 7/29/13 1:50 PM, Jeremy Baron wrote:

Hi,

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Michael Kelly  wrote:

There are two online ways
to meet that come to mind: we could use something like gotomeeting where
everyone signs on to a site and has the ability to talk or type, and become
the presenter, showing anything they want on the screen (examples, articles,
etc.) then turn the presenter role over to someone else.


I suggest either using
* MeetBot on freenode (#wikimedia-us for now, #wikimedia-westcoast if
you can get people to regularly show up there)
** I'm running a MeetBot instance on a Wikimedia DC server and it's
lurking now in both #wikimedia-us and #wikimedia-westcoast waiting for
a meeting to start. https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot#Howto
** in this case it's useful to make an agenda so you talk about one
topic and when you finish then you move on and don't mix topics too
much. to make the MeetBot output more useful for people that are not
able to read the whole log or so they can get some idea about the
discussion before they have a chance to read it in full. arbitrary
example of the power of MeetBot chosen from a directory listing:
http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2013/debconf-team.2013-02-11-18.02.html

or

* a Google hangout on air (which means broadcast live to a nearly
unlimited number of anonymous viewers and allows active participation
by more than a few people at a time. (I don't know exactly what the
limit is there))
** (we should use a [[free software]] alternative at some point (so
that when Google decides to modify, limit or discontinue hangouts
we're not screwed among other reasons) but I'm not able to work on
that right now and I think it's more important to offer a tool that
can be used immediately. so for now I say hangouts but other people
are welcome to find/make something even better.)

Or a combination of both.

FWIW, I personally am opposed to using any sort of solution that would
not allow 50 (or even 100) people simultaneous viewers. (and though
Google does limit the number of active participants (speakers) I
believe they can be rotated so that by the end of the broadcast you
could have had a total number of speakers in excess of the limit of
simultaneous participants) But, OTOH, I've never set foot within 350
miles of the area covered by this list and haven't been to the west
coast since I was <= 10 years old. So, just my 2 cents and I'll let
you make your own decisions. (but let me know if you want help with
either of those options above)

-Jeremy

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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-29 Thread Jeremy Baron 
Hi,

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Michael Kelly  wrote:
> There are two online ways
> to meet that come to mind: we could use something like gotomeeting where
> everyone signs on to a site and has the ability to talk or type, and become
> the presenter, showing anything they want on the screen (examples, articles,
> etc.) then turn the presenter role over to someone else.

I suggest either using
* MeetBot on freenode (#wikimedia-us for now, #wikimedia-westcoast if
you can get people to regularly show up there)
** I'm running a MeetBot instance on a Wikimedia DC server and it's
lurking now in both #wikimedia-us and #wikimedia-westcoast waiting for
a meeting to start. https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot#Howto
** in this case it's useful to make an agenda so you talk about one
topic and when you finish then you move on and don't mix topics too
much. to make the MeetBot output more useful for people that are not
able to read the whole log or so they can get some idea about the
discussion before they have a chance to read it in full. arbitrary
example of the power of MeetBot chosen from a directory listing:
http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2013/debconf-team.2013-02-11-18.02.html

or

* a Google hangout on air (which means broadcast live to a nearly
unlimited number of anonymous viewers and allows active participation
by more than a few people at a time. (I don't know exactly what the
limit is there))
** (we should use a [[free software]] alternative at some point (so
that when Google decides to modify, limit or discontinue hangouts
we're not screwed among other reasons) but I'm not able to work on
that right now and I think it's more important to offer a tool that
can be used immediately. so for now I say hangouts but other people
are welcome to find/make something even better.)

Or a combination of both.

FWIW, I personally am opposed to using any sort of solution that would
not allow 50 (or even 100) people simultaneous viewers. (and though
Google does limit the number of active participants (speakers) I
believe they can be rotated so that by the end of the broadcast you
could have had a total number of speakers in excess of the limit of
simultaneous participants) But, OTOH, I've never set foot within 350
miles of the area covered by this list and haven't been to the west
coast since I was <= 10 years old. So, just my 2 cents and I'll let
you make your own decisions. (but let me know if you want help with
either of those options above)

-Jeremy

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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-29 Thread Karen Coyle 
Michael, I think this is a good idea, especially if we have folks 
working on specific pages or areas. I do think a few f2f meetings will 
be needed, and folks can do both or either. What I have found in the WP 
editing sessions that I have attended is that often people are working 
on their own pages, but the draw is the banter and company, plus having 
someone immediately available to answer questions. In fact, there was a 
lot of cross-helping in the groups, since everyone has something to 
contribute.


kc

On 7/29/13 11:57 AM, Michael Kelly wrote:

I wonder to what extent we could have meetings online?  I started a
meetup groups a while back and the biggest problem, as here, was always
where and when to meet.  That uses up a lot of our energy that could
possibly be put to better use.  Plus problems with the meeting place and
time and just getting there added to the general inefficiency.  There
are two online ways to meet that come to mind: we could use something
like gotomeeting where everyone signs on to a site and has the ability
to talk or type, and become the presenter, showing anything they want on
the screen (examples, articles, etc.) then turn the presenter role over
to someone else.

An interesting way to meet on a topic, and that is more visual, is to
try to use Prezi.  Its like a big sheet of paper on a table in front of
us and we all type stuff, load vids, picts, pdfs, and then draw arrows
between them that can be typed on too.  If we are also on a conference
call, we have voice channel too.

Finally, there is a tool that stresses getting the meaning documented on
what we are discussing and is a personal favorite of mine: CMAP from the
Florida Institute for Man Machine Interface, or something like that.
(easy to find with Google).  Its free and goes sooo well with Wikimedia
thinking.  After all, we are all about documenting meaning.

Any interest in trying these a couple of times?  I could help set up a
trial.  Most of these are limited to 12 or 15 people at a time, so there
is that.  But all are free.

Mike Kelly

GigaMarketing/GigaCommunication

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[mailto:wikimedia-sf-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Shreyas
Patankar
*Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2013 11:03 AM
*To:* Karen Coyle; San Francisco Bay Area Wikimedians
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

Hi Karen,

Sorry I did not get back to you earlier. I can think of a couple of
options so far:

1) Campus libraries: It seems it is easy for registered campus
organizations to get access to meeting rooms. The problem is, although
Berkeley Wikipedia club is a registered group, room reservation can only
be done by a "signatory" for the group. The group mailing list itself is
inactive - I wonder if anyone on this list (Kevin Gorman?) is a signatory.

2) The Berkeley Public Library: They seem to have a public room for
community events (free, with free wifi) if you book it well in advance.
http://www.berkeleypubliclibrary.org/community/book_a_meeting_room.php

3) I've written to my friend who works with the Compass Project, a
student support group in the physical sciences, to see if they have any
space that we can use - but I've yet to hear back from them.

Among these, the Berkeley Public Library looks like the safest bet. I'll
let you know if I can think of anything else..

-Shreyas

On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Karen Coyle mailto:kco...@kcoyle.net>> wrote:

Hello, all.

I've taken up the organizer role for the Berkeley Wikipedia meet-up
group. I'll do some figuring out on how to use Meetup. Would the person
who volunteered to find a space on UC campus please contact me?

I presume that we are aiming at a September first meeting, given how
summer seems to disrupt schedules.

If we can't find other meet-up places, my home has wifi, various
computers and screens, networked printing, and a fridge. We can try a
meeting here, if it's not a large one.

kc
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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-29 Thread Karen Coyle 

Hi, Shreyas. Thanks.

The problem with the campus is that its wifi is not open - each user has 
to have a separate login. There are folks who can give us logins, but 
it's a bit of a pain.


The BPL has open wifi, but their public room rules say:

"Permission to use the Library’s Community Rooms or Electronic Classroom 
will be granted to Berkeley-based civic, cultural, educational 
organizations or businesses, or to locally-operating government 
agencies, departments or commissions. Organizations not located in 
Berkeley may be required to provide proof of regular operation or 
programs within Berkeley such as brochures, newsletters or website 
printouts."


However, Asaf got a room there once, so I'm going to consider that a 
possibility.


kc

On 7/29/13 11:02 AM, Shreyas Patankar wrote:

Hi Karen,

Sorry I did not get back to you earlier. I can think of a couple of
options so far:

1) Campus libraries: It seems it is easy for registered campus
organizations to get access to meeting rooms. The problem is, although
Berkeley Wikipedia club is a registered group, room reservation can only
be done by a "signatory" for the group. The group mailing list itself is
inactive - I wonder if anyone on this list (Kevin Gorman?) is a signatory.

2) The Berkeley Public Library: They seem to have a public room for
community events (free, with free wifi) if you book it well in advance.
http://www.berkeleypubliclibrary.org/community/book_a_meeting_room.php

3) I've written to my friend who works with the Compass Project, a
student support group in the physical sciences, to see if they have any
space that we can use - but I've yet to hear back from them.

Among these, the Berkeley Public Library looks like the safest bet. I'll
let you know if I can think of anything else..

-Shreyas


On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Karen Coyle mailto:kco...@kcoyle.net>> wrote:

Hello, all.

I've taken up the organizer role for the Berkeley Wikipedia meet-up
group. I'll do some figuring out on how to use Meetup. Would the
person who volunteered to find a space on UC campus please contact me?

I presume that we are aiming at a September first meeting, given how
summer seems to disrupt schedules.

If we can't find other meet-up places, my home has wifi, various
computers and screens, networked printing, and a fridge. We can try
a meeting here, if it's not a large one.

kc
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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-29 Thread Michael Kelly 
I wonder to what extent we could have meetings online?  I started a meetup
groups a while back and the biggest problem, as here, was always where and
when to meet.  That uses up a lot of our energy that could possibly be put
to better use.  Plus problems with the meeting place and time and just
getting there added to the general inefficiency.  There are two online ways
to meet that come to mind: we could use something like gotomeeting where
everyone signs on to a site and has the ability to talk or type, and become
the presenter, showing anything they want on the screen (examples, articles,
etc.) then turn the presenter role over to someone else.  

 

An interesting way to meet on a topic, and that is more visual, is to try to
use Prezi.  Its like a big sheet of paper on a table in front of us and we
all type stuff, load vids, picts, pdfs, and then draw arrows between them
that can be typed on too.  If we are also on a conference call, we have
voice channel too.

 

Finally, there is a tool that stresses getting the meaning documented on
what we are discussing and is a personal favorite of mine: CMAP from the
Florida Institute for Man Machine Interface, or something like that.  (easy
to find with Google).  Its free and goes sooo well with Wikimedia thinking.
After all, we are all about documenting meaning.

 

Any interest in trying these a couple of times?  I could help set up a
trial.  Most of these are limited to 12 or 15 people at a time, so there is
that.  But all are free.

 

Mike Kelly

GigaMarketing/GigaCommunication

 

 

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Patankar
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:03 AM
To: Karen Coyle; San Francisco Bay Area Wikimedians
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

 

Hi Karen,

 

Sorry I did not get back to you earlier. I can think of a couple of options
so far: 

 

1) Campus libraries: It seems it is easy for registered campus organizations
to get access to meeting rooms. The problem is, although Berkeley Wikipedia
club is a registered group, room reservation can only be done by a
"signatory" for the group. The group mailing list itself is inactive - I
wonder if anyone on this list (Kevin Gorman?) is a signatory. 

 

2) The Berkeley Public Library: They seem to have a public room for
community events (free, with free wifi) if you book it well in advance.
http://www.berkeleypubliclibrary.org/community/book_a_meeting_room.php 

 

3) I've written to my friend who works with the Compass Project, a student
support group in the physical sciences, to see if they have any space that
we can use - but I've yet to hear back from them.

 

Among these, the Berkeley Public Library looks like the safest bet. I'll let
you know if I can think of anything else..

 

-Shreyas

 

On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Karen Coyle  wrote:

Hello, all.

I've taken up the organizer role for the Berkeley Wikipedia meet-up group.
I'll do some figuring out on how to use Meetup. Would the person who
volunteered to find a space on UC campus please contact me?

I presume that we are aiming at a September first meeting, given how summer
seems to disrupt schedules.

If we can't find other meet-up places, my home has wifi, various computers
and screens, networked printing, and a fridge. We can try a meeting here, if
it's not a large one.

kc
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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-29 Thread Shreyas Patankar 
Hi Karen,

Sorry I did not get back to you earlier. I can think of a couple of options
so far:

1) Campus libraries: It seems it is easy for registered campus
organizations to get access to meeting rooms. The problem is, although
Berkeley Wikipedia club is a registered group, room reservation can only be
done by a "signatory" for the group. The group mailing list itself is
inactive - I wonder if anyone on this list (Kevin Gorman?) is a signatory.

2) The Berkeley Public Library: They seem to have a public room for
community events (free, with free wifi) if you book it well in advance.
http://www.berkeleypubliclibrary.org/community/book_a_meeting_room.php

3) I've written to my friend who works with the Compass Project, a student
support group in the physical sciences, to see if they have any space that
we can use - but I've yet to hear back from them.

Among these, the Berkeley Public Library looks like the safest bet. I'll
let you know if I can think of anything else..

-Shreyas


On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Karen Coyle  wrote:

> Hello, all.
>
> I've taken up the organizer role for the Berkeley Wikipedia meet-up group.
> I'll do some figuring out on how to use Meetup. Would the person who
> volunteered to find a space on UC campus please contact me?
>
> I presume that we are aiming at a September first meeting, given how
> summer seems to disrupt schedules.
>
> If we can't find other meet-up places, my home has wifi, various computers
> and screens, networked printing, and a fridge. We can try a meeting here,
> if it's not a large one.
>
> kc
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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-28 Thread Leslie Tom 
Hi Karen,

In case you want to reach out to CAL students... here's a Berkeley
wikipedia club I found while at UC Berkeley.  Their listserve is: (
wikipediac...@lists.berkeley.edu).  Plus there is always the School of
Information (no...@ischool.berkeley.edu)...


   -
   
http://students.berkeley.edu/osl/studentgroups/public/index.asp?todo=getgroupinfo&SGID=15347

Cheers,
Leslie


On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Karen Coyle  wrote:

> Sarah -
> No problem with making it broader. Oakland seems to have a wiki presence
> (which I can't speak to) with a few hacker spaces downtown [2], so I'd like
> to have some meetings in Berkeley. But if we can figure out a way to
> combine our efforts, that would be great. I truly don't think that we
> should "wiki" only within our city boundaries!
>
> I actually was thinking that we could pick some topics, and then meet in a
> place related to that topic. So, for the history of Berkeley it would make
> sense to meet at the Berkeley library, which has the historical archives.
> For history relating to the campus (like the Free Speech Movement) we might
> want to meet on campus.
>
> Oakland has its own Oakland wiki [1]. I attended the Alameda county data
> hackathon in Berkeley recently, at Berkeley High School, and it would be
> interesting to try to incorporate some of the county data in Wikipedia -
> meeting in downtown Oakland would seem appropriate for that.
>
> Somehow I think that being "on the spot" is inspirational. But I'm open to
> any ideas that get people together and help them work on Wikipedia.
>
> kc
> [1] http://oaklandwiki.org/
> [2] like https://sudoroom.org/
>
>
> On 7/28/13 2:19 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Weird request and I understand if it gets shot down for locality:
>>
>> If a Berkeley meetup group is being formed, think we can create it as an
>> East Bay group instead?
>>
>> I live in Oakland, and I think ideally it would be unifying (since our
>> groups are so small) to make it an encompassing group so folks throughout
>> the region feel welcome. But, I also understand if folks want to keep it
>> Berkeley-centric for Berkeley locals. (And those who feel bold enough to
>> "act" like like one/invade :) )
>>
>> Thanks for taking the lead on this, it is very appreciated!
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:17 AM, Karen Coyle  wrote:
>>
>>  Hello, all.
>>>
>>> I've taken up the organizer role for the Berkeley Wikipedia meet-up
>>> group. I'll do some figuring out on how to use Meetup. Would the person who
>>> volunteered to find a space on UC campus please contact me?
>>>
>>> I presume that we are aiming at a September first meeting, given how
>>> summer seems to disrupt schedules.
>>>
>>> If we can't find other meet-up places, my home has wifi, various
>>> computers and screens, networked printing, and a fridge. We can try a
>>> meeting here, if it's not a large one.
>>>
>>> kc
>>> --
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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-28 Thread Karen Coyle 

Sarah -
No problem with making it broader. Oakland seems to have a wiki presence 
(which I can't speak to) with a few hacker spaces downtown [2], so I'd 
like to have some meetings in Berkeley. But if we can figure out a way 
to combine our efforts, that would be great. I truly don't think that we 
should "wiki" only within our city boundaries!


I actually was thinking that we could pick some topics, and then meet in 
a place related to that topic. So, for the history of Berkeley it would 
make sense to meet at the Berkeley library, which has the historical 
archives. For history relating to the campus (like the Free Speech 
Movement) we might want to meet on campus.


Oakland has its own Oakland wiki [1]. I attended the Alameda county data 
hackathon in Berkeley recently, at Berkeley High School, and it would be 
interesting to try to incorporate some of the county data in Wikipedia - 
meeting in downtown Oakland would seem appropriate for that.


Somehow I think that being "on the spot" is inspirational. But I'm open 
to any ideas that get people together and help them work on Wikipedia.


kc
[1] http://oaklandwiki.org/
[2] like https://sudoroom.org/

On 7/28/13 2:19 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

Hi,

Weird request and I understand if it gets shot down for locality:

If a Berkeley meetup group is being formed, think we can create it as an East 
Bay group instead?

I live in Oakland, and I think ideally it would be unifying (since our groups are so 
small) to make it an encompassing group so folks throughout the region feel welcome. But, 
I also understand if folks want to keep it Berkeley-centric for Berkeley locals. (And 
those who feel bold enough to "act" like like one/invade :) )

Thanks for taking the lead on this, it is very appreciated!

Sarah

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On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:17 AM, Karen Coyle  wrote:


Hello, all.

I've taken up the organizer role for the Berkeley Wikipedia meet-up group. I'll 
do some figuring out on how to use Meetup. Would the person who volunteered to 
find a space on UC campus please contact me?

I presume that we are aiming at a September first meeting, given how summer 
seems to disrupt schedules.

If we can't find other meet-up places, my home has wifi, various computers and 
screens, networked printing, and a fridge. We can try a meeting here, if it's 
not a large one.

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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-28 Thread Sarah Stierch 
Hi,

Weird request and I understand if it gets shot down for locality:

If a Berkeley meetup group is being formed, think we can create it as an East 
Bay group instead?

I live in Oakland, and I think ideally it would be unifying (since our groups 
are so small) to make it an encompassing group so folks throughout the region 
feel welcome. But, I also understand if folks want to keep it Berkeley-centric 
for Berkeley locals. (And those who feel bold enough to "act" like like 
one/invade :) ) 

Thanks for taking the lead on this, it is very appreciated!

Sarah 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:17 AM, Karen Coyle  wrote:

> Hello, all.
> 
> I've taken up the organizer role for the Berkeley Wikipedia meet-up group. 
> I'll do some figuring out on how to use Meetup. Would the person who 
> volunteered to find a space on UC campus please contact me?
> 
> I presume that we are aiming at a September first meeting, given how summer 
> seems to disrupt schedules.
> 
> If we can't find other meet-up places, my home has wifi, various computers 
> and screens, networked printing, and a fridge. We can try a meeting here, if 
> it's not a large one.
> 
> kc
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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-16 Thread Oliver Zhu 
If it's on Cal campus, speed should not be a major issue. But yeah, you
would need guest accounts to access the school's WiFi iirc.


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Karen Coyle  wrote:

> Thanks, Brian. I've been looking into mobile hot-spots as a way to expand
> our meeting place choices. My fear is that the speed will be a problem --
> anyone have experience using these?
>
> kc
>
>
> On 7/16/13 9:56 AM, Brian C wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I should be able to arrange for a group to use South Hall on the UC
>> Berkeley campus on a night or weekend, so long as it was a time I could
>> attend. I would also be able to generate guest passes for the WiFi. I
>> have an extremely busy schedule until at least mid August, however, so
>> it might be best to keep this in mind as a backup plan or for a later
>> event this Fall.
>>
>> --
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>> Assistant Professor
>> University of California, Berkeley
>> School of Information
>> 102 South Hall
>> Berkeley, CA 94720-4600
>>
>> On 07/12/2013 09:02 PM, 
>> wikimedia-sf-request@lists.**wikimedia.orgwrote:
>>
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 07:36:39 -0700
>>> From: Karen Coyle 
>>> To: wikimedia-sf@lists.wikimedia.**org
>>> Subject: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians
>>> Message-ID: <51e01477.5040...@kcoyle.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Hello. I am interested in having some meetups (both working and social)
>>> with other wikipedians in this area. I would like to see some meetings
>>> in Berkeley if we can find (or create) a space. There are hacker spaces
>>> in SF and Oakland, but I'm not aware of any in Berkeley that we can use.
>>> I would like to talk to anyone else in Berkeley who might be interested
>>> in finding or getting a space going where we can edit together.
>>>
>>> I'm currently working on updating articles relating to librarianship,
>>> but looking at the articles of local interest (Berkeley, Phoebe Hearst,
>>> Free speech movement), there is work we could do, and the resources are
>>> here.
>>>
>>> kc
>>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-16 Thread Karen Coyle 
Thanks, Brian. I've been looking into mobile hot-spots as a way to 
expand our meeting place choices. My fear is that the speed will be a 
problem -- anyone have experience using these?


kc

On 7/16/13 9:56 AM, Brian C wrote:

Hi,

I should be able to arrange for a group to use South Hall on the UC
Berkeley campus on a night or weekend, so long as it was a time I could
attend. I would also be able to generate guest passes for the WiFi. I
have an extremely busy schedule until at least mid August, however, so
it might be best to keep this in mind as a backup plan or for a later
event this Fall.

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Assistant Professor
University of California, Berkeley
School of Information
102 South Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720-4600

On 07/12/2013 09:02 PM, wikimedia-sf-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:

Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 07:36:39 -0700
From: Karen Coyle 
To: wikimedia-sf@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians
Message-ID: <51e01477.5040...@kcoyle.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hello. I am interested in having some meetups (both working and social)
with other wikipedians in this area. I would like to see some meetings
in Berkeley if we can find (or create) a space. There are hacker spaces
in SF and Oakland, but I'm not aware of any in Berkeley that we can use.
I would like to talk to anyone else in Berkeley who might be interested
in finding or getting a space going where we can edit together.

I'm currently working on updating articles relating to librarianship,
but looking at the articles of local interest (Berkeley, Phoebe Hearst,
Free speech movement), there is work we could do, and the resources are
here.

kc



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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-16 Thread Brian C 
Hi,

I should be able to arrange for a group to use South Hall on the UC
Berkeley campus on a night or weekend, so long as it was a time I could
attend. I would also be able to generate guest passes for the WiFi. I
have an extremely busy schedule until at least mid August, however, so
it might be best to keep this in mind as a backup plan or for a later
event this Fall.

--
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Assistant Professor
University of California, Berkeley
School of Information
102 South Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720-4600

On 07/12/2013 09:02 PM, wikimedia-sf-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 07:36:39 -0700
> From: Karen Coyle 
> To: wikimedia-sf@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians
> Message-ID: <51e01477.5040...@kcoyle.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Hello. I am interested in having some meetups (both working and social) 
> with other wikipedians in this area. I would like to see some meetings 
> in Berkeley if we can find (or create) a space. There are hacker spaces 
> in SF and Oakland, but I'm not aware of any in Berkeley that we can use. 
> I would like to talk to anyone else in Berkeley who might be interested 
> in finding or getting a space going where we can edit together.
> 
> I'm currently working on updating articles relating to librarianship, 
> but looking at the articles of local interest (Berkeley, Phoebe Hearst, 
> Free speech movement), there is work we could do, and the resources are 
> here.
> 
> kc


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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-12 Thread Karen Coyle 
*sigh* I'm hoping that the public library isn't too strict about use of 
their community spaces, but unfortunately this is what they say about it:


"Permission to use the Library’s Community Rooms or Electronic Classroom 
will be granted to Berkeley-based civic, cultural, educational 
organizations or businesses, or to locally-operating government 
agencies, departments or commissions. Organizations not located in 
Berkeley may be required to provide proof of regular operation or 
programs within Berkeley such as brochures, newsletters or website 
printouts."


That seems awfully restrictive to me, but maybe we can get around it.

One of the problems of meeting on campus is that they don't have easy 
guest access to their wifi network -- someone with certain stature has 
to request individual guest passwords that are valid for 24 hours.


These are some of the reasons why I've been hoping for an independent 
hacker space.


kc

On 7/12/13 10:19 AM, Shreyas Patankar wrote:

Hi Karen,

I'm also interested in trying to find or arrange for some place where we
can do edit-a-thons in Berkeley, in addition to the many options in
Oakland and SF. A couple of ideas I had was trying to arrange something
at the Berkeley Public Library (like the OaklandWiki people have done in
Oakland) or one of the University libraries. I'll talk to my friends in
campus student organizations to see if they have any suggestions.

Let me know if you can think of something - I would be happy to help in
organizing a meeting.

Shreyas


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Karen Coyle mailto:kco...@kcoyle.net>> wrote:

Merrilee - I will stop in at the Hackermoms space - I haven't been
there. I do fear that it may be a bit ... mom-ish, but I should hold
that thought until I get a look at it.

Thanks,
kc


On 7/12/13 8:10 AM, Proffitt,Merrilee wrote:

Hi Karen,

The Oakland Local wiki people have regular meetups once a month
or more. Wikipedians are welcome. I've joined them in the past
and enjoyed it quite a bit! And meeting in the Oakland History
room is totally awesome.

http://oaklandwiki.org/Local___History_Editathons


Hacker Moms is a hacker space in Berkeley. We approached them
about hosting a women's Wikipedia meetup once, but it didn't
work out, I think because their space wasn't as large as we
wanted it to be? Someone else on the list might remember.

http://mothership.hackermoms.__org/


Merrilee
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mailto:wikimedia-sf-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org>> on behalf of
Karen Coyle mailto:kco...@kcoyle.net>>
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 7:36 AM
To: wikimedia-sf@lists.wikimedia.__org

Subject: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

Hello. I am interested in having some meetups (both working and
social)
with other wikipedians in this area. I would like to see some
meetings
in Berkeley if we can find (or create) a space. There are hacker
spaces
in SF and Oakland, but I'm not aware of any in Berkeley that we
can use.
I would like to talk to anyone else in Berkeley who might be
interested
in finding or getting a space going where we can edit together.

I'm currently working on updating articles relating to
librarianship,
but looking at the articles of local interest (Berkeley, Phoebe
Hearst,
Free speech movement), there is work we could do, and the
resources are
here.

kc

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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-12 Thread Karen Coyle 
Merrilee - I will stop in at the Hackermoms space - I haven't been 
there. I do fear that it may be a bit ... mom-ish, but I should hold 
that thought until I get a look at it.


Thanks,
kc

On 7/12/13 8:10 AM, Proffitt,Merrilee wrote:

Hi Karen,

The Oakland Local wiki people have regular meetups once a month or more. 
Wikipedians are welcome. I've joined them in the past and enjoyed it quite a 
bit! And meeting in the Oakland History room is totally awesome.

http://oaklandwiki.org/Local_History_Editathons

Hacker Moms is a hacker space in Berkeley. We approached them about hosting a 
women's Wikipedia meetup once, but it didn't work out, I think because their 
space wasn't as large as we wanted it to be? Someone else on the list might 
remember.

http://mothership.hackermoms.org/

Merrilee

From: wikimedia-sf-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org 
 on behalf of Karen Coyle 

Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 7:36 AM
To: wikimedia-sf@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

Hello. I am interested in having some meetups (both working and social)
with other wikipedians in this area. I would like to see some meetings
in Berkeley if we can find (or create) a space. There are hacker spaces
in SF and Oakland, but I'm not aware of any in Berkeley that we can use.
I would like to talk to anyone else in Berkeley who might be interested
in finding or getting a space going where we can edit together.

I'm currently working on updating articles relating to librarianship,
but looking at the articles of local interest (Berkeley, Phoebe Hearst,
Free speech movement), there is work we could do, and the resources are
here.

kc

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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-12 Thread Neil 
Asaf: Really good to hear from you and thank you for taking a moment to
reach out to the original group. I appreciate your efforts to start an EB
group.

Karen, Merrilee and other interested EB Wikipedians and wikipedians to be,

I have hosted Oakland wiki, and several other like-minded orgs and events,
at my Cohousing community (Downtown Oakland) and would be happy to
coordinate one or more editathons.

I appreciate it is not Berkeley. With some enthusiasm and interest, I can
suggest some dates when our space is available. What say you/anyone? :)

In community
Neil

In community,
Neil Planchon CPCC
Life and Technology Coach, Website Design and Technology Solutions
- www.neilplanchon.com

Board member and Technology Team - Old Oakland Neighbors -
www.oldoaklandneighbors.org

Founding Resident and Webmaster - Swan's Market Cohousing - Oakland CA
- www.swansway.com
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- www.cohousingresearchnetwork.org
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> Hi Karen,
>
> The Oakland Local wiki people have regular meetups once a month or more.
> Wikipedians are welcome. I've joined them in the past and enjoyed it quite
> a bit! And meeting in the Oakland History room is totally awesome.
>
> http://oaklandwiki.org/Local_History_Editathons
>
> Hacker Moms is a hacker space in Berkeley. We approached them about
> hosting a women's Wikipedia meetup once, but it didn't work out, I think
> because their space wasn't as large as we wanted it to be? Someone else on
> the list might remember.
>
> http://mothership.hackermoms.org/
>
> Merrilee
> 
> From: wikimedia-sf-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
>  on behalf of Karen Coyle
> 
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 7:36 AM
> To: wikimedia-sf@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians
>
> Hello. I am interested in having some meetups (both working and social)
> with other wikipedians in this area. I would like to see some meetings
> in Berkeley if we can find (or create) a space. There are hacker spaces
> in SF and Oakland, but I'm not aware of any in Berkeley that we can use.
> I would like to talk to anyone else in Berkeley who might be interested
> in finding or getting a space going where we can edit together.
>
> I'm currently working on updating articles relating to librarianship,
> but looking at the articles of local interest (Berkeley, Phoebe Hearst,
> Free speech movement), there is work we could do, and the resources are
> here.
>
> kc
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-12 Thread Stephen LaPorte 
Hello Karen,

Good to hear! I am located in San Francisco, but willing to venture to
Berkeley. In addition to this list, we usually organize San Francisco/Bay
Area events at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/San_Francisco

If you don't mind hosting a Wikipedia event in San Francisco, I am happy to
help find space at the Wikimedia Foundation office.

Cheers,
Stephen


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Proffitt,Merrilee wrote:

> Hi Karen,
>
> The Oakland Local wiki people have regular meetups once a month or more.
> Wikipedians are welcome. I've joined them in the past and enjoyed it quite
> a bit! And meeting in the Oakland History room is totally awesome.
>
> http://oaklandwiki.org/Local_History_Editathons
>
> Hacker Moms is a hacker space in Berkeley. We approached them about
> hosting a women's Wikipedia meetup once, but it didn't work out, I think
> because their space wasn't as large as we wanted it to be? Someone else on
> the list might remember.
>
> http://mothership.hackermoms.org/
>
> Merrilee
> 
> From: wikimedia-sf-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org <
> wikimedia-sf-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org> on behalf of Karen Coyle <
> kco...@kcoyle.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 7:36 AM
> To: wikimedia-sf@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians
>
> Hello. I am interested in having some meetups (both working and social)
> with other wikipedians in this area. I would like to see some meetings
> in Berkeley if we can find (or create) a space. There are hacker spaces
> in SF and Oakland, but I'm not aware of any in Berkeley that we can use.
> I would like to talk to anyone else in Berkeley who might be interested
> in finding or getting a space going where we can edit together.
>
> I'm currently working on updating articles relating to librarianship,
> but looking at the articles of local interest (Berkeley, Phoebe Hearst,
> Free speech movement), there is work we could do, and the resources are
> here.
>
> kc
>
> --
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Re: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

2013-07-12 Thread Proffitt,Merrilee 
Hi Karen,

The Oakland Local wiki people have regular meetups once a month or more. 
Wikipedians are welcome. I've joined them in the past and enjoyed it quite a 
bit! And meeting in the Oakland History room is totally awesome. 

http://oaklandwiki.org/Local_History_Editathons 

Hacker Moms is a hacker space in Berkeley. We approached them about hosting a 
women's Wikipedia meetup once, but it didn't work out, I think because their 
space wasn't as large as we wanted it to be? Someone else on the list might 
remember.

http://mothership.hackermoms.org/

Merrilee

From: wikimedia-sf-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org 
 on behalf of Karen Coyle 

Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 7:36 AM
To: wikimedia-sf@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimedia-SF] Berkeley Wikipedians

Hello. I am interested in having some meetups (both working and social)
with other wikipedians in this area. I would like to see some meetings
in Berkeley if we can find (or create) a space. There are hacker spaces
in SF and Oakland, but I'm not aware of any in Berkeley that we can use.
I would like to talk to anyone else in Berkeley who might be interested
in finding or getting a space going where we can edit together.

I'm currently working on updating articles relating to librarianship,
but looking at the articles of local interest (Berkeley, Phoebe Hearst,
Free speech movement), there is work we could do, and the resources are
here.

kc

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