Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Abhishek Suryawanshi]

*It wasn't clear from this thread as to why these two issues are very
> important to be solved *right now** ?



Recently, There was talk/presentation by Chapter President encouraging
people to become member of Wikimedia India Chapter.
There is nice response to appeal and people are highly interested in being
member of Chapter, at same time few people have limitations like age and
nationality. They want to be associated with Chapter.

Regarding timing of query - as per information provided in presentation,
Membership will be counted from April-2013 to March-2014.
So it makes more sense to give our best to enroll every interested person
to become member by overcoming possible barriers.

This thread's name and content might be different - Will start new thread
with possible improvements so all suggestions will be on same thread and
execution might be easy.




Best Regards,

Abhishek Suryawanshi,
On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune



On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 3:14 PM, sankarshan wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Gautam John  wrote:
> > Abhishek - could you please let us know which NGOs in Bangalore,
> > registered as Societies in the last couple of years, have membership
> > for those below 18 and for foreign nationals, please? It will be very
> > useful for WMIN when they decide to make their case to the Registrar?
> > Having been part of the team that registered the Society, I can
> > clarify that these restrictions were not WMIN's but the Registrar of
> > Society's.
>
> It wasn't clear from this thread as to why these two issues are very
> important to be solved *right now* ?
>
>
> --
> sankarshan mukhopadhyay
> 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Abhishek Suryawanshi]

*could you please let us know which NGOs in Bangalore,
> registered as Societies in the last couple of years, have membership
> for those below 18 and for foreign nationals, please? It will be very
> useful for WMIN when they decide to make their case to the Registrar?
> Having been part of the team that registered the Society, I can
> clarify that these restrictions were not WMIN's but the Registrar of
> Society's.
> *



Bangalore - One example could be Art of Living. And am clueless about
Karnataka Society Law's. In Pune Osho provides membership access to foreign
nationals, it might be registered differently (other than society.)


*As for your latter point on "'Is it adult censored organization?' -
> one could ask whether voting in this country is an 'Is it adult
> censored organization*?'
>


That was comment from someone who had query.,
Other than voting, minors do have access to health, education and other
facilities. Govt provides service/'citizenship' to citizens irrespective of
age..
Like I suggested [possible solution] in another thread [[1]] - There can be
minimal/virtual membership. Its just to include  every interested person
into Chapter. People may feel bad if we keep them away.
If possible - lets try to include as many people as we can??..


*> Can we expect -  new Membership (April-2013 to March 2014) will be
> available
> > to everyone by crossing age and nationality barrier? :)
> * *
> It is highly unlikely that the Registrar, should he give his approval,
> will be able to take a decision on this in such a compressed time
> frame.
> *


Hope so at-least process will start soon. :)


Keep Exploring, Keep Inspiring!



Best Regards,

Abhishek Suryawanshi,
On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune


[[1]] Possible Solution -
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-February/009287.html



On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Gautam John  wrote:

> On 9 February 2013 01:37, Abhishek Suryawanshi
>  wrote:
>
> > I guess it is possible to extend membership criteria for foreign
> nationals
> > as well youngsters below 18 years. I know NGO's from Bangalore which
> accept
> > memberships from foreign delegates.
>
> Abhishek - could you please let us know which NGOs in Bangalore,
> registered as Societies in the last couple of years, have membership
> for those below 18 and for foreign nationals, please? It will be very
> useful for WMIN when they decide to make their case to the Registrar?
> Having been part of the team that registered the Society, I can
> clarify that these restrictions were not WMIN's but the Registrar of
> Society's.
>
> As for your latter point on "'Is it adult censored organization?' -
> one could ask whether voting in this country is an 'Is it adult
> censored organization?'
>
> Lastly, The Wikipedia Club Pune isn't, AFAIK, an organisation as much
> as it is a collective of individuals and a Facebook page. There is a
> difference, in law, between that and a Society - such as WMIN.
>
> > Can we expect -  new Membership (April-2013 to March 2014) will be
> available
> > to everyone by crossing age and nationality barrier? :)
>
> It is highly unlikely that the Registrar, should he give his approval,
> will be able to take a decision on this in such a compressed time
> frame.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[sankarshan]

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Gautam John  wrote:
> Abhishek - could you please let us know which NGOs in Bangalore,
> registered as Societies in the last couple of years, have membership
> for those below 18 and for foreign nationals, please? It will be very
> useful for WMIN when they decide to make their case to the Registrar?
> Having been part of the team that registered the Society, I can
> clarify that these restrictions were not WMIN's but the Registrar of
> Society's.

It wasn't clear from this thread as to why these two issues are very
important to be solved *right now* ?


-- 
sankarshan mukhopadhyay


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Abhishek Suryawanshi]

*I'd now like to speak on behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune. We would
> officially like to change our language preference to Portuguese, and affirm
> that Pune is the second bestest place in India, after Delhi. Also We like
> Cheese! Thank you that is all.*
>

Saddi Dilli ...mantê-lo ;-)
and With Cheese you get free Wada Pav!  [invisible] Font and glasses
complimentary.. [/invisible]


*Anyway, please look forward to having more brazilian members of your club
> than pune ones. Some of those would be underage boys and girls, but you are
> from an "older generation" of course. :P
> *


Oh! More Brazilians - Great! And being more older - We can switch back to
Orkut also! (Ah - Good old days and unforgettable memories)

*The 18 is the age requirement usually set by the law, and when you decide
> to officially register your organization as a society,
> *


My only concern is to 'include' every interested wikimedian in Chapter.
(With due respect to Indian Laws)

Official Legal Member might be heavy and big thing and law might be having
problems with 18 age limit.

[possible solution]
What about having small level / virtual recognition and acceptance into
chapter? Once they cross 18+ limit , then they can become members
officially. Before that can we create sub-space where we can accommodate
everyone irrespective of age?
[/possible solution]



Keep Suggesting, Keep Inspiring!



Regards,

Abhishek Suryawanshi,
Your fellow Wikipedia Club Pune Member




On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Theo10011  wrote:

>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi <
> i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> *BTW I'd like to join this "Wikipedia club pune" of yours along with 3
>>> other brazilians, one of them might be under 18 - I'm not sure. I'd like to
>>> join and speak on its behalf please. *
>>>
>>
>> You are welcome to join it. and relax - below 18, above 18 is last thing
>> we care. Special thanks for bringing in diversity to Club.
>>
>> Call us older generation, but we prefer facebook for communication :
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/WikipediaClubPune/
>> Stay connected via group to get updates about club. :-)
>>
>> More than joining, if you 'like' to like things - then you can join 3767
>> Club followers - https://www.facebook.com/WikipediaClubPune
>>
>>
> Thank you.
>
> I'd now like to speak on behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune. We would
> officially like to change our language preference to Portuguese, and affirm
> that Pune is the second bestest place in India, after Delhi. Also We like
> Cheese! Thank you that is all.
>
> Anyway, please look forward to having more brazilian members of your club
> than pune ones. Some of those would be underage boys and girls, but you are
> from an "older generation" of course. :P
>
> BTW in case you haven't realized, that was not to ask for membership but
> point out how important it is to have a resident as a member unless they
> start speaking for a country or a city they know nothing about. The 18 is
> the age requirement usually set by the law, and when you decide to
> officially register your organization as a society, I'll point you to the
> age requirement law or why parental supervision becomes necessary in some
> cases.
>
> Regards
> Theo
> Apparently, Wikipedia Pune Club member
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Gautam John]

On 9 February 2013 01:37, Abhishek Suryawanshi
 wrote:

> I guess it is possible to extend membership criteria for foreign nationals
> as well youngsters below 18 years. I know NGO's from Bangalore which accept
> memberships from foreign delegates.

Abhishek - could you please let us know which NGOs in Bangalore,
registered as Societies in the last couple of years, have membership
for those below 18 and for foreign nationals, please? It will be very
useful for WMIN when they decide to make their case to the Registrar?
Having been part of the team that registered the Society, I can
clarify that these restrictions were not WMIN's but the Registrar of
Society's.

As for your latter point on "'Is it adult censored organization?' -
one could ask whether voting in this country is an 'Is it adult
censored organization?'

Lastly, The Wikipedia Club Pune isn't, AFAIK, an organisation as much
as it is a collective of individuals and a Facebook page. There is a
difference, in law, between that and a Society - such as WMIN.

> Can we expect -  new Membership (April-2013 to March 2014) will be available
> to everyone by crossing age and nationality barrier? :)

It is highly unlikely that the Registrar, should he give his approval,
will be able to take a decision on this in such a compressed time
frame.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Theo10011]

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi <
i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> *BTW I'd like to join this "Wikipedia club pune" of yours along with 3
>> other brazilians, one of them might be under 18 - I'm not sure. I'd like to
>> join and speak on its behalf please. *
>>
>
> You are welcome to join it. and relax - below 18, above 18 is last thing
> we care. Special thanks for bringing in diversity to Club.
>
> Call us older generation, but we prefer facebook for communication :
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/WikipediaClubPune/
> Stay connected via group to get updates about club. :-)
>
> More than joining, if you 'like' to like things - then you can join 3767
> Club followers - https://www.facebook.com/WikipediaClubPune
>
>
Thank you.

I'd now like to speak on behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune. We would officially
like to change our language preference to Portuguese, and affirm that Pune
is the second bestest place in India, after Delhi. Also We like Cheese!
Thank you that is all.

Anyway, please look forward to having more brazilian members of your club
than pune ones. Some of those would be underage boys and girls, but you are
from an "older generation" of course. :P

BTW in case you haven't realized, that was not to ask for membership but
point out how important it is to have a resident as a member unless they
start speaking for a country or a city they know nothing about. The 18 is
the age requirement usually set by the law, and when you decide to
officially register your organization as a society, I'll point you to the
age requirement law or why parental supervision becomes necessary in some
cases.

Regards
Theo
Apparently, Wikipedia Pune Club member
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Abhishek Suryawanshi]

*BTW I'd like to join this "Wikipedia club pune" of yours along with 3
> other brazilians, one of them might be under 18 - I'm not sure. I'd like to
> join and speak on its behalf please. *
>

You are welcome to join it. and relax - below 18, above 18 is last thing we
care. Special thanks for bringing in diversity to Club.

Call us older generation, but we prefer facebook for communication :
https://www.facebook.com/groups/WikipediaClubPune/
Stay connected via group to get updates about club. :-)

More than joining, if you 'like' to like things - then you can join 3767
Club followers - https://www.facebook.com/WikipediaClubPune


Keep Joining, Keep Inspiring! :)



-Abhishek Suryawanshi,
With extra pair of glasses and font
On behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune


On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:47 AM, Theo10011  wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi <
> i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My query was just to make sure access is available to all irrespective of
>> age and nationality barrier! :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Abhishek Suryawanshi,
>> On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>>
>> BTW I'd like to join this "Wikipedia club pune" of yours along with 3
> other brazilians, one of them might be under 18 - I'm not sure. I'd like to
> join and speak on its behalf please.
>
> -Theo
>
> PS do they come with those glasses and that font? ;)
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Abhishek Suryawanshi]

I want to clarify background about age query :

Regarding age limit - There were many queries from college students (around
15 to 17 years old) about joining Chapter - after inspiring talk by His
Highness Sudhanwa Joglekar (President, Wikimedia India Chapter). It was
decent talk at Club event about ''why someone should join Wikimedia India
Chapter'' .. It would add impact if Chapter talks/presentations end up with
distribution of membership forms. Thanks to him for inspiring below 18
years kids to join Wikimedia India Chapter.

When we told them it is only for 18+, first question they asked - 'Is it
adult censored organization?'


I was a wikipedian first and then became a chapter member, could not renew
> my membership and renewed membership recently and still a wikipedian.
>

I love your passion, Good to know irrespective membership you 'are' and
will be always a Wikipedian...Apart from this -
Lets overcome problems which you had, why you were unable to renew your
membership?
I hope problem was different than submitting birth-certificate to prove you
are 18+

*Chapter is to support the communities and not to create members.
> *

 *
*
*Chapter is there is support to community *is controversial part - lets
keep that aside.
Members are essential to make sure Chapter is there to support community.
Chapter is facilitated by members. So if Chapter is putting up efforts to
'create' members - its justifiable. Hope so they do it better by having
smooth membership registration/renewal process.

*I'd like to ask what are the benefits for a foreign national to be part of
> Wikimedia India (which is a country specific chapter) where he/she can be a
> member of his/her own country?
> *


Along with uninvited foreign money transfer problems - it might give
Chapter new direction and new perspective.
And whats harm in having foreign national as member?

and Congrats on Membership renewal. Now you are 'certified (18+) Member' as
well as (Indian) Wikipedian. ;)



Regards,

Abhishek Suryawanshi,
On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune


On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:44 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi <
subhash...@cis-india.org> wrote:

>
> On 09-Feb-2013, at 1:37 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi wrote:
>
>
> I guess it is possible to extend membership criteria for foreign nationals
> as well youngsters below 18 years. I know NGO's from Bangalore which accept
> memberships from foreign delegates.
>
> Is there anything special associated with it? I was a wikipedian first and
> then became a chapter member, could not renew my membership and renewed
> membership recently and still a wikipedian. Chapter is to support the
> communities and not to create members. I'd like to ask what are the
> benefits for a foreign national to be part of Wikimedia India (which is a
> country specific chapter) where he/she can be a member of his/her own
> country?
>
>
> Can we expect -  new Membership (April-2013 to March 2014) will be
> available to everyone by crossing age and nationality barrier? :)
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message --
>> From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
>> To: Wikimedia India Community list 
>> Cc:
>> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 01:02:34 +0530
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?
>> While the age restriction might be modifiable, I'm not too sure yet,
>> will have to check with the Karnataka Registrar of Societies, the
>> Nationality of members has to be Indian as set down by the Ministry of
>> Home Affairs, Goverment of India.
>>
>> On 2/7/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi  wrote:
>> > Thanks Arun for clarification.
>> >
>> > I can understand difficulty in getting registration. As society
>> > registration is done, Hope so membership criteria will improve, so more
>> and
>> > more people can become part of movement.
>> >
>> > My query was just to make sure access is available to all irrespective
>> of
>> > age and nationality barrier! :)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Abhishek Suryawanshi,
>> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -- Forwarded message --
>> > From: Arun Ramarathnam 
>> > To: Wikimedia India Community list <
>> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> > Cc:
>> > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:53:50 +0530
>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Feb 2, 2013 7:22 PM, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" <
>> > i.abhishek.

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Theo10011]

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi <
i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My query was just to make sure access is available to all irrespective of
> age and nationality barrier! :)
>
> Regards,
> Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>
> BTW I'd like to join this "Wikipedia club pune" of yours along with 3
other brazilians, one of them might be under 18 - I'm not sure. I'd like to
join and speak on its behalf please.

-Theo

PS do they come with those glasses and that font? ;)
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[Subhashish Panigrahi]

On 09-Feb-2013, at 1:37 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi wrote:

> 
> I guess it is possible to extend membership criteria for foreign nationals as 
> well youngsters below 18 years. I know NGO's from Bangalore which accept 
> memberships from foreign delegates.
Is there anything special associated with it? I was a wikipedian first and then 
became a chapter member, could not renew my membership and renewed membership 
recently and still a wikipedian. Chapter is to support the communities and not 
to create members. I'd like to ask what are the benefits for a foreign national 
to be part of Wikimedia India (which is a country specific chapter) where 
he/she can be a member of his/her own country?
> 
> Can we expect -  new Membership (April-2013 to March 2014) will be available 
> to everyone by crossing age and nationality barrier? :)
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
> To: Wikimedia India Community list 
> Cc: 
> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 01:02:34 +0530
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?
> While the age restriction might be modifiable, I'm not too sure yet,
> will have to check with the Karnataka Registrar of Societies, the
> Nationality of members has to be Indian as set down by the Ministry of
> Home Affairs, Goverment of India.
> 
> On 2/7/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi  wrote:
> > Thanks Arun for clarification.
> >
> > I can understand difficulty in getting registration. As society
> > registration is done, Hope so membership criteria will improve, so more and
> > more people can become part of movement.
> >
> > My query was just to make sure access is available to all irrespective of
> > age and nationality barrier! :)
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Arun Ramarathnam 
> > To: Wikimedia India Community list 
> > Cc:
> > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:53:50 +0530
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?
> >
> >
> > On Feb 2, 2013 7:22 PM, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" <
> > i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Why there is 18 age limit to become member of Wikimedia India Chapter?
> >
> > Dear Abhishek,
> >
> > I can take that query as one of the folks involved in preparing and
> > debating the original MOA clauses of the chapter.
> >
> > The original intent was to keep membership criteria as open as possible -
> > age,  citizenship,  etc.
> > However the advise of the consultant who helped us with the society
> > registration was to limit membership to adults  and indian citizens based
> > on their  prior experience with getting these registrations through
> > quickly.  We were advised that we could later seek permissions for the
> > above if the authorities so permitted.
> >
> > Not with standing these limitations it took the lot of meetings with
> > authorities to get the formal registration through.  I have attended many
> > of these meetings to get due clearance.
> >
> > Hope that clarifies your query.
> > Regards
> > Arun
> >
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Abhishek Suryawanshi 
> > To: Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
> > Cc: Wikimedia India Community list 
> > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:21:39 +0530
> > Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?
> >
> > Dear Srikanth,
> >
> > *When I mentioned it is easy to become a member, I meant for Indian
> >> citizens.*
> >>
> > 100 Rupee is membership fee and whether its small amount or large
> > amount is different point of view.
> >
> >
> >
> > Why there is 18 age limit to become member of Wikimedia India Chapter?
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _
> >
> > *Srikanth Ramakrishnan* srik.ramk at wikimedia.in
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Due to legal restrictions only an Indian citizen can become a member of the
> > Chapter.
> > When I mentioned it is easy to become a member, I meant for Indian
> > citizens.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF)  > wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Abhishek Suryawanshi]

I guess it is possible to extend membership criteria for foreign nationals
as well youngsters below 18 years. I know NGO's from Bangalore which accept
memberships from foreign delegates.

Can we expect -  new Membership (April-2013 to March 2014) will be
available to everyone by crossing age and nationality barrier? :)



Regards,
Abhishek Suryawanshi,
On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune




>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
> To: Wikimedia India Community list 
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 01:02:34 +0530
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?
> While the age restriction might be modifiable, I'm not too sure yet,
> will have to check with the Karnataka Registrar of Societies, the
> Nationality of members has to be Indian as set down by the Ministry of
> Home Affairs, Goverment of India.
>
> On 2/7/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi  wrote:
> > Thanks Arun for clarification.
> >
> > I can understand difficulty in getting registration. As society
> > registration is done, Hope so membership criteria will improve, so more
> and
> > more people can become part of movement.
> >
> > My query was just to make sure access is available to all irrespective of
> > age and nationality barrier! :)
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Arun Ramarathnam 
> > To: Wikimedia India Community list  >
> > Cc:
> > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:53:50 +0530
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?
> >
> >
> > On Feb 2, 2013 7:22 PM, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" <
> > i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Why there is 18 age limit to become member of Wikimedia India Chapter?
> >
> > Dear Abhishek,
> >
> > I can take that query as one of the folks involved in preparing and
> > debating the original MOA clauses of the chapter.
> >
> > The original intent was to keep membership criteria as open as possible -
> > age,  citizenship,  etc.
> > However the advise of the consultant who helped us with the society
> > registration was to limit membership to adults  and indian citizens based
> > on their  prior experience with getting these registrations through
> > quickly.  We were advised that we could later seek permissions for the
> > above if the authorities so permitted.
> >
> > Not with standing these limitations it took the lot of meetings with
> > authorities to get the formal registration through.  I have attended many
> > of these meetings to get due clearance.
> >
> > Hope that clarifies your query.
> > Regards
> > Arun
> >
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Abhishek Suryawanshi 
> > To: Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
> > Cc: Wikimedia India Community list  >
> > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:21:39 +0530
> > Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?
> >
> > Dear Srikanth,
> >
> > *When I mentioned it is easy to become a member, I meant for Indian
> >> citizens.*
> >>
> > 100 Rupee is membership fee and whether its small amount or large
> > amount is different point of view.
> >
> >
> >
> > Why there is 18 age limit to become member of Wikimedia India Chapter?
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _
> >
> > *Srikanth Ramakrishnan* srik.ramk at wikimedia.in
> >  40lists.wikimedia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BWikimediaindia-l%5D%20How%20to%20set%20up%20a%20SIG%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAKZFZLu1coq2ts46VsaN4_JOuRtqUUXNU0TNx%2BdRXk_4zw81RA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Due to legal restrictions only an Indian citizen can become a member of
> the
> > Chapter.
> > When I mentioned it is easy to become a member, I meant for Indian
> > citizens.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF)  > wikimedia.org
> > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>* On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <*>* srik.ramk at
> >> wikimedia.in
> >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l>>
> >> wrote:*>**>>* Becoming a member is 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

2013/2/8 Srikanth Ramakrishnan :
> While the age restriction might be modifiable, I'm not too sure yet,
> will have to check with the Karnataka Registrar of Societies, the
> Nationality of members has to be Indian as set down by the Ministry of
> Home Affairs, Goverment of India.

Are you really sure about that? I am very surprised.
Most NGO in India accepted membership from foreign residents / expatriates.
I would register to Wikimedia India if possible.

Regards,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

While the age restriction might be modifiable, I'm not too sure yet,
will have to check with the Karnataka Registrar of Societies, the
Nationality of members has to be Indian as set down by the Ministry of
Home Affairs, Goverment of India.

On 2/7/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi  wrote:
> Thanks Arun for clarification.
>
> I can understand difficulty in getting registration. As society
> registration is done, Hope so membership criteria will improve, so more and
> more people can become part of movement.
>
> My query was just to make sure access is available to all irrespective of
> age and nationality barrier! :)
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Arun Ramarathnam 
> To: Wikimedia India Community list 
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:53:50 +0530
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2013 7:22 PM, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" <
> i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why there is 18 age limit to become member of Wikimedia India Chapter?
>
> Dear Abhishek,
>
> I can take that query as one of the folks involved in preparing and
> debating the original MOA clauses of the chapter.
>
> The original intent was to keep membership criteria as open as possible -
> age,  citizenship,  etc.
> However the advise of the consultant who helped us with the society
> registration was to limit membership to adults  and indian citizens based
> on their  prior experience with getting these registrations through
> quickly.  We were advised that we could later seek permissions for the
> above if the authorities so permitted.
>
> Not with standing these limitations it took the lot of meetings with
> authorities to get the formal registration through.  I have attended many
> of these meetings to get due clearance.
>
> Hope that clarifies your query.
> Regards
> Arun
>
>
> -- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Abhishek Suryawanshi 
> To: Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
> Cc: Wikimedia India Community list 
> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:21:39 +0530
> Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?
>
> Dear Srikanth,
>
> *When I mentioned it is easy to become a member, I meant for Indian
>> citizens.*
>>
> 100 Rupee is membership fee and whether its small amount or large
> amount is different point of view.
>
>
>
> Why there is 18 age limit to become member of Wikimedia India Chapter?
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _
>
> *Srikanth Ramakrishnan* srik.ramk at wikimedia.in
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> Due to legal restrictions only an Indian citizen can become a member of the
> Chapter.
> When I mentioned it is easy to become a member, I meant for Indian
> citizens.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF)  wikimedia.org
> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l>>
> wrote:
>
>>* On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <*>* srik.ramk at
>> wikimedia.in
>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l>>
>> wrote:*>**>>* Becoming a member is pretty easy. It costs INR 100 to join
>> and requires a*>>* single form to be filled and sent across.*>**>**>*
>> Actually, it isn't. As Bence is not an Indian citizen over 18 or an
>> Indian*>* institution, he cannot be a member.*>**>* Cheers!*>* --*>*
>> Siebrand*>* ___*>*
>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list*>* Wikimediaindia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l>*>* To
>> unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit*>*
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>
> --
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> Member of the Executive Committee
> Wikimedia Chapter [India]
>


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Abhishek Suryawanshi]

Thanks Arun for clarification.

I can understand difficulty in getting registration. As society
registration is done, Hope so membership criteria will improve, so more and
more people can become part of movement.

My query was just to make sure access is available to all irrespective of
age and nationality barrier! :)



Regards,
Abhishek Suryawanshi,
On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune





-- Forwarded message --
From: Arun Ramarathnam 
To: Wikimedia India Community list 
Cc:
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:53:50 +0530
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?


On Feb 2, 2013 7:22 PM, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" <
i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why there is 18 age limit to become member of Wikimedia India Chapter?

Dear Abhishek,

I can take that query as one of the folks involved in preparing and
debating the original MOA clauses of the chapter.

The original intent was to keep membership criteria as open as possible -
age,  citizenship,  etc.
However the advise of the consultant who helped us with the society
registration was to limit membership to adults  and indian citizens based
on their  prior experience with getting these registrations through
quickly.  We were advised that we could later seek permissions for the
above if the authorities so permitted.

Not with standing these limitations it took the lot of meetings with
authorities to get the formal registration through.  I have attended many
of these meetings to get due clearance.

Hope that clarifies your query.
Regards
Arun


-- Forwarded message --
From: Abhishek Suryawanshi 
To: Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
Cc: Wikimedia India Community list 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:21:39 +0530
Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

Dear Srikanth,

*When I mentioned it is easy to become a member, I meant for Indian
> citizens.*
>
100 Rupee is membership fee and whether its small amount or large
amount is different point of view.



Why there is 18 age limit to become member of Wikimedia India Chapter?



Regards,
Abhishek Suryawanshi,
On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune






_

*Srikanth Ramakrishnan* srik.ramk at wikimedia.in






Due to legal restrictions only an Indian citizen can become a member of the
Chapter.
When I mentioned it is easy to become a member, I meant for Indian citizens.


On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l>>
wrote:

>* On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <*>* srik.ramk at 
>wikimedia.in <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l>> 
>wrote:*>**>>* Becoming a member is pretty easy. It costs INR 100 to join and 
>requires a*>>* single form to be filled and sent across.*>**>**>* Actually, it 
>isn't. As Bence is not an Indian citizen over 18 or an Indian*>* institution, 
>he cannot be a member.*>**>* Cheers!*>* --*>* Siebrand*>* 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Arun Ramarathnam]

On Feb 2, 2013 7:22 PM, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" <
i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why there is 18 age limit to become member of Wikimedia India Chapter?

Dear Abhishek,

I can take that query as one of the folks involved in preparing and
debating the original MOA clauses of the chapter.

The original intent was to keep membership criteria as open as possible -
age,  citizenship,  etc.
However the advise of the consultant who helped us with the society
registration was to limit membership to adults  and indian citizens based
on their  prior experience with getting these registrations through
quickly.  We were advised that we could later seek permissions for the
above if the authorities so permitted.

Not with standing these limitations it took the lot of meetings with
authorities to get the formal registration through.  I have attended many
of these meetings to get due clearance.

Hope that clarifies your query.

Regards
Arun
>
>
> Regards,
> Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _
>
> Srikanth Ramakrishnan
> srik.ramk at wikimedia.in
>
>
>
>
>
> Due to legal restrictions only an Indian citizen can become a member of
the
> Chapter.
> When I mentioned it is easy to become a member, I meant for Indian
citizens.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) <
> smazeland at wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> > srik.ramk at wikimedia.in> wrote:
> >
> >> Becoming a member is pretty easy. It costs INR 100 to join and
requires a
> >> single form to be filled and sent across.
> >
> >
> > Actually, it isn't. As Bence is not an Indian citizen over 18 or an
Indian
> > institution, he cannot be a member.
> >
> > Cheers!
> > --
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[Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Abhishek Suryawanshi]

Dear Srikanth,

*When I mentioned it is easy to become a member, I meant for Indian
> citizens.*
>
100 Rupee is membership fee and whether its small amount or large
amount is different point of view.

Why there is 18 age limit to become member of Wikimedia India Chapter?



Regards,
Abhishek Suryawanshi,
On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune





_

*Srikanth Ramakrishnan* srik.ramk at wikimedia.in




Due to legal restrictions only an Indian citizen can become a member of the
Chapter.
When I mentioned it is easy to become a member, I meant for Indian citizens.


On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l>>
wrote:

>* On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <*>* srik.ramk at 
>wikimedia.in > 
>wrote:*>**>>* Becoming a member is pretty easy. It costs INR 100 to join and 
>requires a*>>* single form to be filled and sent across.*>**>**>* Actually, it 
>isn't. As Bence is not an Indian citizen over 18 or an Indian*>* institution, 
>he cannot be a member.*>**>* Cheers!*>* --*>* Siebrand*>* 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Hi Bence,
While no other types are mentioned, we are open to having Special Interest
Groups for other categories like GLAM, MW, et al.

Both the nominee as well as the nominator, or in the case of a self
nomination, as well as the person seconding it, have to be a member of the
Chapter at the time of the nomination.
This is a prerequisite as the SIG Chair becomes a representative of the
Chapter EC.


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Bence Damokos  wrote:

> Thank you Srikanth!
>
> If I understand the page correctly there can be either city or language
> SIGs (no other types are defined), and to create one, one has to nominate
> the Chair?
> The Chair doesn't have to be a member at the time of nomination, as longs
> as he applies for membership once accepted? (Although this is
> contradictory, the one who does the nomination or if they nominate
> themselves, they need to be already members, according to the top of the
> page?)
>
> Best regards,
> Bence
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Bence Damokos]

Thank you Srikanth!

If I understand the page correctly there can be either city or language
SIGs (no other types are defined), and to create one, one has to nominate
the Chair?
The Chair doesn't have to be a member at the time of nomination, as longs
as he applies for membership once accepted? (Although this is
contradictory, the one who does the nomination or if they nominate
themselves, they need to be already members, according to the top of the
page?)

Best regards,
Bence
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Due to legal restrictions only an Indian citizen can become a member of the
Chapter.
When I mentioned it is easy to become a member, I meant for Indian citizens.


On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) <
smazel...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> srik.r...@wikimedia.in> wrote:
>
>> Becoming a member is pretty easy. It costs INR 100 to join and requires a
>> single form to be filled and sent across.
>
>
> Actually, it isn't. As Bence is not an Indian citizen over 18 or an Indian
> institution, he cannot be a member.
>
> Cheers!
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Anirudh Bhati]

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:26 AM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF)
 wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>  wrote:
>>
>> Becoming a member is pretty easy. It costs INR 100 to join and requires a
>> single form to be filled and sent across.
>
>
> Actually, it isn't. As Bence is not an Indian citizen over 18 or an Indian
> institution, he cannot be a member.

I don't see Srikanth suggesting that anywhere.  He's merely referring
to the conditions that one needs to qualify to be an SIG chair or an
individual eligible to have a say in the decision.

Cheers,

Anirudh

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Siebrand Mazeland (WMF)]

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
srik.r...@wikimedia.in> wrote:

> Becoming a member is pretty easy. It costs INR 100 to join and requires a
> single form to be filled and sent across.


Actually, it isn't. As Bence is not an Indian citizen over 18 or an Indian
institution, he cannot be a member.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Bence,
The details on joining the SIG is now Public at :
http://wiki.wikimedia.in/City_and_Language_Special_Interest_Group_Chair

To nominate yourself OR someone and to vote you need to be a member of the
Chapter.

Becoming a member is pretty easy. It costs INR 100 to join and requires a
single form to be filled and sent across.
Details on joining the chapter, including the form is available at
http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Join_us

SIGs can not only be created for cities and languages but also for other
special projects like GLAM, MediaWiki and Commons.
There is a nomination page for the position of a GLAM SIG already on right
now.


I hope this clears it up. Please let me know if anything else needs
clarification.

Cheers,
Happy Editing,
Srikanth.


On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Bence Damokos  wrote:

> Thanks Srikanth, looking forward to it!
>
> Best regards,
> Bence
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> srik.r...@wikimedia.in> wrote:
>
>> Hi Bence,
>> The SIG process is currently located on the Members Wiki of the Chapter,
>> which is accessible only to Members. I think it's high time it is made
>> public so I shall port it to the Public Wiki.
>>
>> While the Chapter does support volunteers of all kinds, the SIG chair has
>> to be a member.
>> This is for the following reasons:
>> 1. The SIG Chair gets a Wikimedia.in email address.
>> 2. The SIG Chair will be representing the Chapter.
>> 3. As per legal obligations, the SIG Chair signs a Code of Conduct with
>> the Chapter.
>>
>> Apart from this, the Chapter is open to supporting all volunteers.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Bence Damokos  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Theo10011  wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Bence Damokos wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In light of recent recommendations to set up an SIG instead of
> autonomous groups, I was wondering if there is any available documentation
> on the process and benefits of doing so?
>
> I was looking at
> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/City_and_Language_SIG_subcommittee_chair,
> the only page I could find on the topic on the Wikimedia India wiki, but
> that did not seem to explain the process and nature of SIGs. (Also, I
> haven't seen them defined in Wikimedia India's bylaws.)
> What did I miss?
>

 As I seem to recall, SIG roles weren't really fleshed out in terms of
 real world implications. Majority of the chapter board that was working on
 it resigned or left after their respective terms.

 This new initiative to create user groups within India is being led by
 WMF staff from my perspective.

>>> I don't think it should be looked at in that way. I think the main idea
>>> is to empower volunteers (and while many many are self-empowered, labels
>>> and affiliation can still provide the final push) regardless of their
>>> location. This is not about a top down imposition (or even if it was, the
>>> costs are minimal, and the benefits could be big if the empowerment
>>> happens).
>>>
>>> The Indian SIG model could be a way to achieve the same goal, perhaps in
>>> parallel, but as long as the process and requirements are not publicly
>>> defined they might not be serving their purpose and it is difficult to
>>> expect people excited by the idea of of the empowerment that comes from
>>> affiliation to choose the (process-wise) undefined SIG model. That is why I
>>> was wondering where the process and requirements are defined; what would a
>>> regular Joe need to do to set up a SIG?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Bence
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Bence Damokos]

Thanks Srikanth, looking forward to it!

Best regards,
Bence


On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
srik.r...@wikimedia.in> wrote:

> Hi Bence,
> The SIG process is currently located on the Members Wiki of the Chapter,
> which is accessible only to Members. I think it's high time it is made
> public so I shall port it to the Public Wiki.
>
> While the Chapter does support volunteers of all kinds, the SIG chair has
> to be a member.
> This is for the following reasons:
> 1. The SIG Chair gets a Wikimedia.in email address.
> 2. The SIG Chair will be representing the Chapter.
> 3. As per legal obligations, the SIG Chair signs a Code of Conduct with
> the Chapter.
>
> Apart from this, the Chapter is open to supporting all volunteers.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Bence Damokos  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Theo10011  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Bence Damokos wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 In light of recent recommendations to set up an SIG instead of
 autonomous groups, I was wondering if there is any available documentation
 on the process and benefits of doing so?

 I was looking at
 http://wiki.wikimedia.in/City_and_Language_SIG_subcommittee_chair, the
 only page I could find on the topic on the Wikimedia India wiki, but that
 did not seem to explain the process and nature of SIGs. (Also, I haven't
 seen them defined in Wikimedia India's bylaws.)
 What did I miss?

>>>
>>> As I seem to recall, SIG roles weren't really fleshed out in terms of
>>> real world implications. Majority of the chapter board that was working on
>>> it resigned or left after their respective terms.
>>>
>>> This new initiative to create user groups within India is being led by
>>> WMF staff from my perspective.
>>>
>> I don't think it should be looked at in that way. I think the main idea
>> is to empower volunteers (and while many many are self-empowered, labels
>> and affiliation can still provide the final push) regardless of their
>> location. This is not about a top down imposition (or even if it was, the
>> costs are minimal, and the benefits could be big if the empowerment
>> happens).
>>
>> The Indian SIG model could be a way to achieve the same goal, perhaps in
>> parallel, but as long as the process and requirements are not publicly
>> defined they might not be serving their purpose and it is difficult to
>> expect people excited by the idea of of the empowerment that comes from
>> affiliation to choose the (process-wise) undefined SIG model. That is why I
>> was wondering where the process and requirements are defined; what would a
>> regular Joe need to do to set up a SIG?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Bence
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Theo10011]

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Bence Damokos  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Theo10011  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Bence Damokos  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In light of recent recommendations to set up an SIG instead of
>>> autonomous groups, I was wondering if there is any available documentation
>>> on the process and benefits of doing so?
>>>
>>> I was looking at
>>> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/City_and_Language_SIG_subcommittee_chair, the
>>> only page I could find on the topic on the Wikimedia India wiki, but that
>>> did not seem to explain the process and nature of SIGs. (Also, I haven't
>>> seen them defined in Wikimedia India's bylaws.)
>>> What did I miss?
>>>
>>
>> As I seem to recall, SIG roles weren't really fleshed out in terms of
>> real world implications. Majority of the chapter board that was working on
>> it resigned or left after their respective terms.
>>
>> This new initiative to create user groups within India is being led by
>> WMF staff from my perspective.
>>
> I don't think it should be looked at in that way. I think the main idea is
> to empower volunteers (and while many many are self-empowered, labels and
> affiliation can still provide the final push) regardless of their location.
> This is not about a top down imposition (or even if it was, the costs are
> minimal, and the benefits could be big if the empowerment happens).
>
> The Indian SIG model could be a way to achieve the same goal, perhaps in
> parallel, but as long as the process and requirements are not publicly
> defined they might not be serving their purpose and it is difficult to
> expect people excited by the idea of of the empowerment that comes from
> affiliation to choose the (process-wise) undefined SIG model. That is why I
> was wondering where the process and requirements are defined; what would a
> regular Joe need to do to set up a SIG?
>

You seem to know more about the SIG model than us. :P  I dont understand
the point of the original question now.

You are going by what can be or should have been, I was providing what had
happened. It's all to empower volunteers, sure, but the rest of your
intentions may or may not be shared by the board members who thought of the
concept. I don't know so I can only speak from my assumption. It can
be reformulated too but that depends on the current chapter board.

In my opinion, this nebulous mix of SIG, user groups, chapters and other
entities is going to get more complicated as we go along, and would likely
result in turf-wars rather than anything productive but anyway, I have been
travelling so I might have missed some of the developments, I'll try and
follow up later.

Regards
Theo
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Hi Bence,
The SIG process is currently located on the Members Wiki of the Chapter,
which is accessible only to Members. I think it's high time it is made
public so I shall port it to the Public Wiki.

While the Chapter does support volunteers of all kinds, the SIG chair has
to be a member.
This is for the following reasons:
1. The SIG Chair gets a Wikimedia.in email address.
2. The SIG Chair will be representing the Chapter.
3. As per legal obligations, the SIG Chair signs a Code of Conduct with the
Chapter.

Apart from this, the Chapter is open to supporting all volunteers.

Regards,


On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Bence Damokos  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Theo10011  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Bence Damokos  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In light of recent recommendations to set up an SIG instead of
>>> autonomous groups, I was wondering if there is any available documentation
>>> on the process and benefits of doing so?
>>>
>>> I was looking at
>>> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/City_and_Language_SIG_subcommittee_chair, the
>>> only page I could find on the topic on the Wikimedia India wiki, but that
>>> did not seem to explain the process and nature of SIGs. (Also, I haven't
>>> seen them defined in Wikimedia India's bylaws.)
>>> What did I miss?
>>>
>>
>> As I seem to recall, SIG roles weren't really fleshed out in terms of
>> real world implications. Majority of the chapter board that was working on
>> it resigned or left after their respective terms.
>>
>> This new initiative to create user groups within India is being led by
>> WMF staff from my perspective.
>>
> I don't think it should be looked at in that way. I think the main idea is
> to empower volunteers (and while many many are self-empowered, labels and
> affiliation can still provide the final push) regardless of their location.
> This is not about a top down imposition (or even if it was, the costs are
> minimal, and the benefits could be big if the empowerment happens).
>
> The Indian SIG model could be a way to achieve the same goal, perhaps in
> parallel, but as long as the process and requirements are not publicly
> defined they might not be serving their purpose and it is difficult to
> expect people excited by the idea of of the empowerment that comes from
> affiliation to choose the (process-wise) undefined SIG model. That is why I
> was wondering where the process and requirements are defined; what would a
> regular Joe need to do to set up a SIG?
>
> Best regards,
> Bence
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Bence Damokos]

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Theo10011  wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Bence Damokos  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In light of recent recommendations to set up an SIG instead of autonomous
>> groups, I was wondering if there is any available documentation on the
>> process and benefits of doing so?
>>
>> I was looking at
>> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/City_and_Language_SIG_subcommittee_chair, the
>> only page I could find on the topic on the Wikimedia India wiki, but that
>> did not seem to explain the process and nature of SIGs. (Also, I haven't
>> seen them defined in Wikimedia India's bylaws.)
>> What did I miss?
>>
>
> As I seem to recall, SIG roles weren't really fleshed out in terms of real
> world implications. Majority of the chapter board that was working on it
> resigned or left after their respective terms.
>
> This new initiative to create user groups within India is being led by WMF
> staff from my perspective.
>
I don't think it should be looked at in that way. I think the main idea is
to empower volunteers (and while many many are self-empowered, labels and
affiliation can still provide the final push) regardless of their location.
This is not about a top down imposition (or even if it was, the costs are
minimal, and the benefits could be big if the empowerment happens).

The Indian SIG model could be a way to achieve the same goal, perhaps in
parallel, but as long as the process and requirements are not publicly
defined they might not be serving their purpose and it is difficult to
expect people excited by the idea of of the empowerment that comes from
affiliation to choose the (process-wise) undefined SIG model. That is why I
was wondering where the process and requirements are defined; what would a
regular Joe need to do to set up a SIG?

Best regards,
Bence
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Theo10011]

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Bence Damokos  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In light of recent recommendations to set up an SIG instead of autonomous
> groups, I was wondering if there is any available documentation on the
> process and benefits of doing so?
>
> I was looking at
> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/City_and_Language_SIG_subcommittee_chair, the
> only page I could find on the topic on the Wikimedia India wiki, but that
> did not seem to explain the process and nature of SIGs. (Also, I haven't
> seen them defined in Wikimedia India's bylaws.)
> What did I miss?
>

As I seem to recall, SIG roles weren't really fleshed out in terms of real
world implications. Majority of the chapter board that was working on it
resigned or left after their respective terms.

This new initiative to create user groups within India is being led by WMF
staff from my perspective.

Regards
Theo
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[Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Bence Damokos]

Hi all,

In light of recent recommendations to set up an SIG instead of autonomous
groups, I was wondering if there is any available documentation on the
process and benefits of doing so?

I was looking at
http://wiki.wikimedia.in/City_and_Language_SIG_subcommittee_chair, the only
page I could find on the topic on the Wikimedia India wiki, but that did
not seem to explain the process and nature of SIGs. (Also, I haven't seen
them defined in Wikimedia India's bylaws.)
What did I miss?

Thanks for your help,
Best regards,
Bence
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