Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[Charles Matthews]

> 
> On 26 February 2016 at 09:50 Fæ  wrote:
> 



> 
> I would make the flyer generic, it can then be used by other English
> speaking organizations and shared on the Outreach wiki rather than
> hidden away on the chapter wiki and appearing like proprietary
> marketing. 
> 

Could be. Horses for courses versus generic needs the context of an overall
comms view, and I imagine the CE is working on this area.

I would like to row back slightly on what I said before, in that donations of
data, not only or just media files, are becoming more relevant. I was at an
event last night where this was on the agenda. These data "accessions" speak
very directly to the concept of open knowledge; and "how" rather than "whether"
is actually the likely stumbling point there.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[Gordon Joly]

On 25/02/16 17:31, Edward Saperia wrote:
> 
> At the risk of sounding negative, I also don't think this seems like a
> very productive thing for the charity to spend time on. Lots of
> materials already exist that explain the benefits of open knowledge -
> and without a clear audience or channel in mind, creating more media
> seems a bit pointless.
> *
> *

Just been made aware of this: http://openglam.org/

and

http://openglam.org/2016/02/24/think-big-start-small-move-fast/

"How the York Museums Trust started opening up its collection – OpenGLAM
Case study"

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[Gordon Joly]

On 26/02/16 10:59, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
> Not really Gordo! Sorry if I wasn't clear. As Sara has offered to write
> the text, I'll discuss the brief in more detail with her - although
> happy for others to be involved, of course :)

That's fine. I assumed you were limiting to "open knowledge".

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[Lucy Crompton-Reid]

Not really Gordo! Sorry if I wasn't clear. As Sara has offered to write the
text, I'll discuss the brief in more detail with her - although happy for
others to be involved, of course :)

On 26 February 2016 at 10:55, Gordon Joly  wrote:

> On 26/02/16 10:14, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for all your comments and input into this. I can understand why
> > those working closely within the open knowledge sector might feel there
> > isn't a need for information about why this matters, but the audience
> > we're aiming this at are people working in smaller organisations and
> > societies, or simply interested members of the public, who need an
> > introduction to open.
>
> Was that an suggestion to widen the remit? "Open standards" are a part
> of "open", for example. And HTTP is "open"
>
> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[Gordon Joly]

On 26/02/16 10:14, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all your comments and input into this. I can understand why
> those working closely within the open knowledge sector might feel there
> isn't a need for information about why this matters, but the audience
> we're aiming this at are people working in smaller organisations and
> societies, or simply interested members of the public, who need an
> introduction to open.

Was that an suggestion to widen the remit? "Open standards" are a part
of "open", for example. And HTTP is "open"

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[Gordon Joly]

On 26/02/16 00:27, Simon Knight wrote:
> This isn't a great example, but the JISC open access resources are
> targeted at HE orgs to help them overcome specific challenges, and
> https://www.jisc.ac.uk/content/open-access much of which could be
> adapted into internal business cases for a shift to OA (of course this
> is easier now as it's essentially mandated).

Open DOAR

https://www.jisc.ac.uk/opendoar

I like that!

:-)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[Lucy Crompton-Reid]

Dear all

Thanks for all your comments and input into this. I can understand why
those working closely within the open knowledge sector might feel there
isn't a need for information about why this matters, but the audience we're
aiming this at are people working in smaller organisations and societies,
or simply interested members of the public, who need an introduction to
open. The idea would be to signpost to other, more comprehensive materials,
rather than to reinvent the wheel. And I'm not imagining this would be a
very time-consuming exercise. I think despite all the barriers and issues
raised it makes sense that this information is contained somewhere on our
website (although of course, it could be shared and re-used by anyone who
wanted it!) In the first instance we are looking for some text, so your
offer is greatly appreciated Sara! I'll get in touch with you separately
about taking this forward.

All best
Lucy

On 26 February 2016 at 09:56, Sara Thomas  wrote:

> Hello hello. Existing WiR here (Museums Galleries Scotland), happy to
> collaborate on this. Have had contact with ~26 different GLAMs over the
> past year, of varying sizes. I'm at user:lirazelf.  if someone wants to do
> the design, I'll do the text.
>
> S
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 26 Feb 2016, at 09:51, Fæ  wrote:
> >
> > On 26 February 2016 at 09:41, Charles Matthews
> >  wrote:
> >> On 25 February 2016 at 21:47 Michael Maggs  wrote:
> >> 
> >> And as a national charity that aspires to lead in this area we really
> ought
> >> to have something that concisely answers the question "why should I
> release
> >> my content?"
> >>
> >> A flyer, then. Starting from the existing "How to work successfully with
> >> Wikipedia", strip out the case studies, remove the WiR material, reduce
> to
> >> one side of A4. The key points should all be there.
> >>
> >> Charles
> >
> > I would make the flyer generic, it can then be used by other English
> > speaking organizations and shared on the Outreach wiki rather than
> > hidden away on the chapter wiki and appearing like proprietary
> > marketing. WMUK has co-funded many Wikimedian in Residence positions
> > over the last five years, several have contributed materials and case
> > studies to the Outreach wiki, contacting them and the current
> > Wikimedians in Residence directly would get the flier produced on a
> > good-will basis with no staff support needed. It could even be
> > declared as an outcome of one of the funded projects, if that is
> > important.
> >
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[Sara Thomas]

Hello hello. Existing WiR here (Museums Galleries Scotland), happy to 
collaborate on this. Have had contact with ~26 different GLAMs over the past 
year, of varying sizes. I'm at user:lirazelf.  if someone wants to do the 
design, I'll do the text. 

S

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> On 26 Feb 2016, at 09:51, Fæ  wrote:
> 
> On 26 February 2016 at 09:41, Charles Matthews
>  wrote:
>> On 25 February 2016 at 21:47 Michael Maggs  wrote:
>> 
>> And as a national charity that aspires to lead in this area we really ought
>> to have something that concisely answers the question "why should I release
>> my content?"
>> 
>> A flyer, then. Starting from the existing "How to work successfully with
>> Wikipedia", strip out the case studies, remove the WiR material, reduce to
>> one side of A4. The key points should all be there.
>> 
>> Charles
> 
> I would make the flyer generic, it can then be used by other English
> speaking organizations and shared on the Outreach wiki rather than
> hidden away on the chapter wiki and appearing like proprietary
> marketing. WMUK has co-funded many Wikimedian in Residence positions
> over the last five years, several have contributed materials and case
> studies to the Outreach wiki, contacting them and the current
> Wikimedians in Residence directly would get the flier produced on a
> good-will basis with no staff support needed. It could even be
> declared as an outcome of one of the funded projects, if that is
> important.
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[Fæ]

On 26 February 2016 at 09:41, Charles Matthews
 wrote:
> On 25 February 2016 at 21:47 Michael Maggs  wrote:
> 
>  And as a national charity that aspires to lead in this area we really ought
> to have something that concisely answers the question "why should I release
> my content?"
>
> A flyer, then. Starting from the existing "How to work successfully with
> Wikipedia", strip out the case studies, remove the WiR material, reduce to
> one side of A4. The key points should all be there.
>
> Charles

I would make the flyer generic, it can then be used by other English
speaking organizations and shared on the Outreach wiki rather than
hidden away on the chapter wiki and appearing like proprietary
marketing. WMUK has co-funded many Wikimedian in Residence positions
over the last five years, several have contributed materials and case
studies to the Outreach wiki, contacting them and the current
Wikimedians in Residence directly would get the flier produced on a
good-will basis with no staff support needed. It could even be
declared as an outcome of one of the funded projects, if that is
important.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[Charles Matthews]

> On 25 February 2016 at 21:47 Michael Maggs  wrote:
> 



>  And as a national charity that aspires to lead in this area we really
> ought to have something that concisely answers the question "why should I
> release my content?"
> 
> 

A flyer, then. Starting from the existing "How to work successfully with
Wikipedia", strip out the case studies, remove the WiR material, reduce to one
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[geni]

On 25 February 2016 at 23:00, Edward Saperia  wrote:
> Surely https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM must have one, or have
> enough material to make one trivial to pull together?
>

Might. Might not. They tend to focus on larger organisations.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[Simon Knight]

I think re: the GLAM resources, a lot of the material is about practical
issues once the decision to release content has been made. Fabian rightly
points out that lots of orgs are sympathetic to the desire to release
content openly (or, at least, to have their content more widely used) but
have various concerns or just inertia takes hold. This isn't a great
example, but the JISC open access resources are targeted at HE orgs to help
them overcome specific challenges, and
https://www.jisc.ac.uk/content/open-access much of which could be adapted
into internal business cases for a shift to OA (of course this is easier
now as it's essentially mandated). There seems to be a gap in materials to
support orgs in that stage, the "why we ought to be doing this?" stage,
that aligns our goals in the benefits of open knowledge, with an
organisations.

Simon

On 26 February 2016 at 10:04, leu...@fabiant.eu  wrote:

> Thanks for that clarification, Michael.
>
> It should be noted, however, for a charity there may be a number of issues
> they may need to consider:
>
> * Do they own copyright of images? Whilst generally images created by
> employees usually, unless otherwise stated, belong to their employers, the
> same does not apply to volunteers unless it is specifically included.
>
> * Does instructing staff to investigate these issues fall within their
> charitable objects? Sorting out questions like the one above might take a
> certain amount of staff time, but unless releasing the images falls within
> their charitable objectives, diverting staff from core activities could be
> seen as an inappropriate use of charity resources.
>
> This example immediately comes up against all sorts of specific issues
> which affect charities, perhaps one of the most regulated areas we could
> come up with.
>
> I think Charles Matthews captured the diversity of Wikimedian views in his
> recent post, and I am not sure that WMUK could successfully synthesise a
> view point which would reflect this diversity without losing focus.
> Likewise Ed has indicated that there is a range of material out there which
> already offers a general view, even if no-one has thought to list this on
> the Wikipedia article.
>
> I can't help of thinking of the wording adjacent to the very simply
> memorial to Sir Christopher Wren in St Paul's Cathedral: "Reader, if you
> seek his memorial - look around you."
> The day to day reality of Wikipedia *is - *in itself - probably one of
> the best argument for open knowledge.
> So perhaps the document should be "Using Wikimedia Commons as a repository
> for your Creative Commons media?"
> Thus guidelines could be provided for what material is suitable, what
> benefits arise from placing it on commons and what hoops may have to be
> jumped through in order to satisfy concerns about copyvio.
> all the best,
> Fabian
> aka Leutha
>
>
>
> On 25 February 2016 at 21:47 Michael Maggs  wrote:
>
>
> I have one very small example. At a wiki meetup last month I met a the
> chair of a small local charity.  They have an archive of interesting local
> material that the chair would like to consider scanning and releasing as PD
> or under a free licence. I was asked "do you have a short, simple,
> non-technical document I can give to my fellow trustees to explain why we
> ought to be doing this?"  Although there is a lot of material out there
> that explains open knowledge and open licences in great detail it turns out
> that we don't actually have anything short and simple we can hand out or
> point members of the public to. And as a national charity that aspires to
> lead in this area we really ought to have something that concisely answers
> the question "why should I release my content?"
>
> Michael
>
> On 25 Feb 2016, at 18:31, Edward Saperia  wrote:
>
> >> WMUK would like to provide better materials aimed at the general public
> which explain the benefits of open knowledge.
> > What is the objective here?
> Its now been 2 full working days. Am I to take it that there is no
> objective?
> geni
>
>
> At the risk of sounding negative, I also don't think this seems like a
> very productive thing for the charity to spend time on. Lots of materials
> already exist that explain the benefits of open knowledge - and without a
> clear audience or channel in mind, creating more media seems a bit
> pointless.
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[leu...@fabiant.eu]

Thanks for that clarification, Michael.
 
It should be noted, however, for a charity there may be a number of issues they
may need to consider:
 
* Do they own copyright of images? Whilst generally images created by employees
usually, unless otherwise stated, belong to their employers, the same does not
apply to volunteers unless it is specifically included.
 
* Does instructing staff to investigate these issues fall within their
charitable objects? Sorting out questions like the one above might take a
certain amount of staff time, but unless releasing the images falls within their
charitable objectives, diverting staff from core activities could be seen as an
inappropriate use of charity resources.
 
This example immediately comes up against all sorts of specific issues which
affect charities, perhaps one of the most regulated areas we could come up with.
 
I think Charles Matthews captured the diversity of Wikimedian views in his
recent post, and I am not sure that WMUK could successfully synthesise a view
point which would reflect this diversity without losing focus. Likewise Ed has
indicated that there is a range of material out there which already offers a
general view, even if no-one has thought to list this on the Wikipedia article.
 
I can't help of thinking of the wording adjacent to the very simply memorial to
Sir Christopher Wren in St Paul's Cathedral: "Reader, if you seek his memorial -
look around you."
The day to day reality of Wikipedia is - in itself - probably one of the best
argument for open knowledge.
So perhaps the document should be "Using Wikimedia Commons as a repository for
your Creative Commons media?"
Thus guidelines could be provided for what material is suitable, what benefits
arise from placing it on commons and what hoops may have to be jumped through in
order to satisfy concerns about copyvio.
all the best,
Fabian
aka Leutha
 
 

> On 25 February 2016 at 21:47 Michael Maggs  wrote:
> 
>   
>  I have one very small example. At a wiki meetup last month I met a the chair
> of a small local charity.  They have an archive of interesting local material
> that the chair would like to consider scanning and releasing as PD or under a
> free licence. I was asked "do you have a short, simple, non-technical document
> I can give to my fellow trustees to explain why we ought to be doing this?"
>  Although there is a lot of material out there that explains open knowledge
> and open licences in great detail it turns out that we don't actually have
> anything short and simple we can hand out or point members of the public to.
> And as a national charity that aspires to lead in this area we really ought to
> have something that concisely answers the question "why should I release my
> content?"
>   
>  Michael
> 
>  On 25 Feb 2016, at 18:31, Edward Saperia  mailto:edsape...@gmail.com > wrote:
> 
> 
>  > >> > > >> WMUK would like to provide better materials aimed at
>  > >> > > >> the general public which explain the benefits of open
>  > >> > > >> knowledge.
> > >> What is the objective here?
> > >Its now been 2 full working days. Am I to take it that there is no
> > > objective?
> > >geni
> > >  > >   
> >  At the risk of sounding negative, I also don't think this seems like a
> > very productive thing for the charity to spend time on. Lots of materials
> > already exist that explain the benefits of open knowledge - and without a
> > clear audience or channel in mind, creating more media seems a bit
> > pointless.
> > 
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[Edward Saperia]

Surely https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM must have one, or have
enough material to make one trivial to pull together?

On 25 February 2016 at 21:47, Michael Maggs  wrote:

> I have one very small example. At a wiki meetup last month I met a the
> chair of a small local charity.  They have an archive of interesting local
> material that the chair would like to consider scanning and releasing as PD
> or under a free licence. I was asked "do you have a short, simple,
> non-technical document I can give to my fellow trustees to explain why we
> ought to be doing this?"  Although there is a lot of material out there
> that explains open knowledge and open licences in great detail it turns out
> that we don't actually have anything short and simple we can hand out or
> point members of the public to. And as a national charity that aspires to
> lead in this area we really ought to have something that concisely answers
> the question "why should I release my content?"
>
> Michael
>
> On 25 Feb 2016, at 18:31, Edward Saperia  wrote:
>
> >> WMUK would like to provide better materials aimed at the general public
>> which explain the benefits of open knowledge.
>> > What is the objective here?
>> Its now been 2 full working days. Am I to take it that there is no
>> objective?
>> geni
>>
>
> At the risk of sounding negative, I also don't think this seems like a
> very productive thing for the charity to spend time on. Lots of materials
> already exist that explain the benefits of open knowledge - and without a
> clear audience or channel in mind, creating more media seems a bit
> pointless.
>
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[Michael Maggs]

I have one very small example. At a wiki meetup last month I met a the chair of 
a small local charity.  They have an archive of interesting local material that 
the chair would like to consider scanning and releasing as PD or under a free 
licence. I was asked "do you have a short, simple, non-technical document I can 
give to my fellow trustees to explain why we ought to be doing this?"  Although 
there is a lot of material out there that explains open knowledge and open 
licences in great detail it turns out that we don't actually have anything 
short and simple we can hand out or point members of the public to. And as a 
national charity that aspires to lead in this area we really ought to have 
something that concisely answers the question "why should I release my content?"

Michael

On 25 Feb 2016, at 18:31, Edward Saperia  wrote:

>> >> WMUK would like to provide better materials aimed at the general public 
>> >> which explain the benefits of open knowledge.
>> > What is the objective here?
>> Its now been 2 full working days. Am I to take it that there is no objective?
>> geni
> 
> At the risk of sounding negative, I also don't think this seems like a very 
> productive thing for the charity to spend time on. Lots of materials already 
> exist that explain the benefits of open knowledge - and without a clear 
> audience or channel in mind, creating more media seems a bit pointless.
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[Edward Saperia]

>
> >> WMUK would like to provide better materials aimed at the general public
> which explain the benefits of open knowledge.
> > What is the objective here?
> Its now been 2 full working days. Am I to take it that there is no
> objective?
> geni
>

At the risk of sounding negative, I also don't think this seems like a very
productive thing for the charity to spend time on. Lots of materials
already exist that explain the benefits of open knowledge - and without a
clear audience or channel in mind, creating more media seems a bit
pointless.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[geni]

On 24 February 2016 at 03:04, geni  wrote:
> On 23 February 2016 at 12:27, Lucy Crompton-Reid
>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> WMUK would like to provide better materials aimed at the general public 
>> which explain the benefits of open knowledge.
>
>
> What is the objective here?
>

Its now been 2 full working days. Am I to take it that there is no objective?


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[leu...@fabiant.eu]

Hi all,
 
Maybe the en:Wikipedia page on open knowledge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_knowledge could also be improved?
 
all the best
 
Fabian
aka Leutha

> On 23 February 2016 at 12:27 Lucy Crompton-Reid
>  wrote:
> 
>  Hi all 
>   
>  WMUK would like to provide better materials aimed at the general public which
> explain the benefits of open knowledge. I have already been signposted to some
> existing resources (provided by other organisations) but if you know of any
> really good materials on this, please let me know. 
>   
>  Also, if anyone would like to take on the task of writing a short, simple
> guide to open knowledge from a Wikimedia perspective, please let me know! This
> will go on our website but will also be a document that we can email to people
> as necessary. 
>   
>  Thanks 
>  Lucy
>   
>  --
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> 
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> 
>  Wikimedia UK
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[Charles Matthews]

> 
> On 24 February 2016 at 03:04 geni  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 23 February 2016 at 12:27, Lucy Crompton-Reid
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > WMUK would like to provide better materials aimed at the general public
> > which explain the benefits of open knowledge.
> 
> 
> What is the objective here?
> 

I'd agree that "short, simple guide" isn't really a brief here: more a hope for
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[geni]

On 23 February 2016 at 12:27, Lucy Crompton-Reid
 wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> WMUK would like to provide better materials aimed at the general public which 
> explain the benefits of open knowledge.


What is the objective here?

>
> I have already been signposted to some existing resources (provided by other 
> organisations) but if you know of any really good materials on this, please 
> let me know.
>
> Also, if anyone would like to take on the task of writing a short, simple 
> guide to open knowledge from a Wikimedia perspective, please let me know! 
> This will go on our website but will also be a document that we can email to 
> people as necessary.
>

As necessary for what? Outside of a few textbook and journal
publishers its not as if there are many people who oppose the concept.


You want to see how open access journals are used on wikipedia?


https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Open_access=5000



Want to see some pretty pictures in use?


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dendrogramma_enigmatica_sp._nov.,_holotype.png
or most of 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_pictures/Space/Looking_out


Want a project that could improve wikipedia's use of open access? Run
Beall’s List against the database to see if there any references that
need review:


https://scholarlyoa.com/publishers/





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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[Charles Matthews]

> On 23 February 2016 at 12:27 Lucy Crompton-Reid
>  wrote:
> 



> Also, if anyone would like to take on the task of writing a short, simple
> guide to open knowledge from a Wikimedia perspective, please let me know! This
> will go on our website but will also be a document that we can email to people
> as necessary.
> 

There would be more than one "Wikimedia" perspective:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_Strategy/Knowledge suggests the number
could run into three figures!

My own take, I suppose, is that a handbook or manual covering "open knowledge"
is more of a rarity than advocacy for its merits. Which is rather cart before
the horse.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Collating/editing information about the benefits of open knowledge

[Edward Saperia]

Open Knowledge, Open Data Institute, Creative Commons have lots of this
kind of stuff, e.g. http://opendatahandbook.org/

This is good too: https://exposingtheinvisible.org/guides/decoding-data/

Who do you see as the audience for this guide you're proposing?

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On 23 February 2016 at 12:27, Lucy Crompton-Reid <
lucy.crompton-r...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> WMUK would like to provide better materials aimed at the general public
> which explain the benefits of open knowledge. I have already been
> signposted to some existing resources (provided by other organisations) but
> if you know of any really good materials on this, please let me know.
>
> Also, if anyone would like to take on the task of writing a short, simple
> guide to open knowledge from a Wikimedia perspective, please let me know!
> This will go on our website but will also be a document that we can email
> to people as necessary.
>
> Thanks
> Lucy
>
> --
>
> Lucy Crompton-Reid
>
> Chief Executive
>
> Wikimedia UK
>
> +44 (0) 207 065 0991
>
>
>
> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
>
> Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The
> Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate
> Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent
> non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility
> for its contents.*
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