Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Phabricator is now open for everyone
Thank you for the interest! On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 6:52 AM, agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is exciting. Let us know when smaller, newer projects would be able to be set up as Phabricator guinea pigs. The reasons to hold the horses (or guinea pigs) for new projects until the official launch are * minimize the risk of support overhead -- project management processes are still rough/undecided/undocumented, and the team must focus on the RT and Bugzilla migration first * keep the scope of Bugzilla until the migration -- new guinea pigs were useful for learning during the first stage in fab (Labs instance), but now they might mess the migration. Contributors interested in running their projects in Phabricator can start playing at http://phab-01.wmflabs.org as in a sandbox. You can also help discussing and documenting best practices, so the big wave of teams and projects have a smoother landing after the Bugzilla migration: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Project_Management https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T558 On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: Today we celebrate an important milestone in the Phabricator project: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org is now open to all Wikimedia users! Special thanks go to @chasemp and @mmodell, who lead us to this milestone with their Phabricator expertise. Please get your account and let us know if you find any problems. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Help#Creating_your_account explains how to register and how to claim your fab activity today (and your RT and Bugzilla activity in the future). You are invited to participate in existing projects. Creation of new projects is closed until the completion of the Bugzilla migration -- see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Help#Requesting_a_new_project NEXT STEPS We will set up a separate Phabricator instance containing a sample of Bugzilla reports imported automatically, for your delight and criticism. After this instance is announced, we will leave at least one week for community feedback before deciding the next steps. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator#Migration_timeline -- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Announcement: Bartosz Dziewoński joins Wikimedia as a Features Contractor
Hello all, It is my great pleasure to announce that Bartosz Dziewoński[0] has joined the Wikimedia Foundation as a contractor in Features Engineering. Bartosz has worked as a volunteer developer for several years, specialising in front-end improvements to skins and core functionality, helping gadget authors, skin developers and extension maintainers alike, as well as being an active member of the Polish Wikipedia community. Bartosz is currently a student in Poland, studying Computer Science at the AGH University of Science and Technology in Kraków[1]. Bartosz will be working as part of the Editing team[2] to continue our work extending the various editing tools, from WikiEditor and Poem to VisualEditor and Cite, and on improving the front-end infrastructure for skins, extensions and gadgets, as well as fixes to and support for MediaWiki core and other extensions as needed. Please join me in welcoming Bartosz to the Wikimedia Foundation. [0]: [[mw:User:Matma_Rex https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Matma_Rex]], now also [[mw:User:Bartosz_Dziewoński_(WMF) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Bartosz_Dziewo%C5%84ski_(WMF)]] [1]: [[en:AGH University of Science and Technology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGH_University_of_Science_and_Technology]] [2]: [[mw:Editing https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Editing]] Yours, -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, Editing Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Announcement: Bartosz Dziewoński joins Wikimedia as a Features Contractor
Welcome officially on board! :D -- brion On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:42 AM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello all, It is my great pleasure to announce that Bartosz Dziewoński[0] has joined the Wikimedia Foundation as a contractor in Features Engineering. Bartosz has worked as a volunteer developer for several years, specialising in front-end improvements to skins and core functionality, helping gadget authors, skin developers and extension maintainers alike, as well as being an active member of the Polish Wikipedia community. Bartosz is currently a student in Poland, studying Computer Science at the AGH University of Science and Technology in Kraków[1]. Bartosz will be working as part of the Editing team[2] to continue our work extending the various editing tools, from WikiEditor and Poem to VisualEditor and Cite, and on improving the front-end infrastructure for skins, extensions and gadgets, as well as fixes to and support for MediaWiki core and other extensions as needed. Please join me in welcoming Bartosz to the Wikimedia Foundation. [0]: [[mw:User:Matma_Rex https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Matma_Rex ]], now also [[mw:User:Bartosz_Dziewoński_(WMF) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Bartosz_Dziewo%C5%84ski_(WMF)]] [1]: [[en:AGH University of Science and Technology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGH_University_of_Science_and_Technology]] [2]: [[mw:Editing https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Editing]] Yours, -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, Editing Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Branching extensions for 1.24
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 18:11:15 +0200, Mark A. Hershberger m...@nichework.com wrote: Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr writes: Le 05/10/2014 21:06, Bartosz Dziewoński a écrit : I note that this is missing release branches for skins entirely, which we're also going to need. Can you bug fill this please? The script that creates the extensions release branch needs to be tweaked. It is: mediawiki/tools/release.git make-extension-branches/make-extension-branches I've been making some extensive changes to this script to help with the announcement. I'll update it to do skins and start submitting my changes. Filed the bug anyway and assigned to you. :) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71753 -- Bartosz Dziewoński ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}
On mobile we continuously get bugs related to inline styles in templates. For example: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68001 When these happen we usually spend time investigating, discover it is because of a troublesome inline style in the template and then we communicate this on the template talk page [1] However, rarely do these get replies and rarely does anything get fixed. Am I doing something wrong? Should I be posting these problems elsewhere? It seems like a lot of templates do not have active maintainers. There has been an RFC [2] open for ages that when solved I hope will lead to lots of discussions between developers and template maintainers but right now it seems even without the tools we are failing. How can we get better at making our template styles more mobile friendly? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Quotation#Padding_interferes_with_mobile_skin [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templates ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}
(See also https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35704 for lots of examples of broken template/css combos) On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Jon Robson jrob...@wikimedia.org wrote: On mobile we continuously get bugs related to inline styles in templates. For example: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68001 When these happen we usually spend time investigating, discover it is because of a troublesome inline style in the template and then we communicate this on the template talk page [1] However, rarely do these get replies and rarely does anything get fixed. Am I doing something wrong? Should I be posting these problems elsewhere? It seems like a lot of templates do not have active maintainers. There has been an RFC [2] open for ages that when solved I hope will lead to lots of discussions between developers and template maintainers but right now it seems even without the tools we are failing. How can we get better at making our template styles more mobile friendly? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Quotation#Padding_interferes_with_mobile_skin [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templates ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}
One thing that would help tremendously would be encouraging template standardization on the wikis. For example, on en.wiki, we currently have 60 different quotation templates![1] And all of them have completely different inline styling (most of which don't work well on mobile). If there were only 10 quotation templates instead of 60 it would be a more manageable issue. One of these days I'll start an on-wiki RfC about this. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Quotation_templates Ryan Kaldari On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Jon Robson jrob...@wikimedia.org wrote: On mobile we continuously get bugs related to inline styles in templates. For example: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68001 When these happen we usually spend time investigating, discover it is because of a troublesome inline style in the template and then we communicate this on the template talk page [1] However, rarely do these get replies and rarely does anything get fixed. Am I doing something wrong? Should I be posting these problems elsewhere? It seems like a lot of templates do not have active maintainers. There has been an RFC [2] open for ages that when solved I hope will lead to lots of discussions between developers and template maintainers but right now it seems even without the tools we are failing. How can we get better at making our template styles more mobile friendly? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Quotation#Padding_interferes_with_mobile_skin [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templates ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}
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Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Jon Robson jrob...@wikimedia.org wrote: On mobile we continuously get bugs related to inline styles in templates. For example: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68001 When these happen we usually spend time investigating, discover it is because of a troublesome inline style in the template and then we communicate this on the template talk page [1] However, rarely do these get replies and rarely does anything get fixed. Am I doing something wrong? Should I be posting these problems elsewhere? It seems like a lot of templates do not have active maintainers. The wiki way is not to ask and wait for someone else to act, but to act directly in good faith and communicate what you did and why so that if there is disagreement it can be resolved afterwards. Ultimately if we're unwilling to help edit and maintain the content and style of the wikis, we're going to be stuck working around bad styles forever. There has been an RFC [2] open for ages that when solved I hope will lead to lots of discussions between developers and template maintainers but right now it seems even without the tools we are failing. How can we get better at making our template styles more mobile friendly? [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templates I'd like to revitalize this one; I'll do some testing this weekend and put it on the agenda for next week's RfC. I'm also interested in some kind of easy preview how this page will look on mobile in the editor, which would probably be a separate thing... -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}
On 07/10/14 22:02, Jon Robson wrote:
On mobile we continuously get bugs related to inline styles in
templates. For example:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68001
When these happen we usually spend time investigating, discover it is
because of a troublesome inline style in the template and then we
communicate this on the template talk page [1]
However, rarely do these get replies and rarely does anything get fixed.
Am I doing something wrong? Should I be posting these problems
elsewhere? It seems like a lot of templates do not have active
maintainers.
There has been an RFC [2] open for ages that when solved I hope will
lead to lots of discussions between developers and template
maintainers but right now it seems even without the tools we are
failing.
How can we get better at making our template styles more mobile friendly?
[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Quotation#Padding_interferes_with_mobile_skin
[2]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templates
In a lot of cases, it's likely nobody's actively watching the page, or
necessarily has the skill to actually enact the change. Normally for
these things the best bet is to either change it yourself if you have
the rights, or put in an edit request.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests for the
long-winded explanation on enwp, but basically it boils down to slapping
{{request edit}} on the talkpage with an explanation. That way people
actually see the request.
-I
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Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Bináris wikipo...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a techguide anywhere on how to style templates to avoid mobile problems? I'll write up some notes... The first thing is to *test your pages on mobile*. The least one can do is fire up a page in *.m.wikipedia.org in a desktop browser and make the window narrow. Or, use your smartphone's browser if you have one. Often, things can be reworked to cleanly handle both wide and narrow windows; for instance: * using inline-block or floats instead of tables or fixed percentage widths to set things side-by-side Sometimes it may be necessary to make the style more complex, using media queries to do separate styling for wide or narrow screens (google for CSS media queries to see how all this works). Currently there's no way to do media queries in inline style attributes, which makes things hard for templates. If your template uses styles defined in MediaWiki:Common.css / MediaWiki:Mobile.css you can define separate style overrides there, but you have to be an admin to edit those etc so it's harder to deal with. -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}
On 07/10/14 22:17, Isarra Yos wrote:
On 07/10/14 22:02, Jon Robson wrote:
On mobile we continuously get bugs related to inline styles in
templates. For example:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68001
When these happen we usually spend time investigating, discover it is
because of a troublesome inline style in the template and then we
communicate this on the template talk page [1]
However, rarely do these get replies and rarely does anything get fixed.
Am I doing something wrong? Should I be posting these problems
elsewhere? It seems like a lot of templates do not have active
maintainers.
There has been an RFC [2] open for ages that when solved I hope will
lead to lots of discussions between developers and template
maintainers but right now it seems even without the tools we are
failing.
How can we get better at making our template styles more mobile
friendly?
[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Quotation#Padding_interferes_with_mobile_skin
[2]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templates
In a lot of cases, it's likely nobody's actively watching the page, or
necessarily has the skill to actually enact the change. Normally for
these things the best bet is to either change it yourself if you have
the rights, or put in an edit request.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests for the
long-winded explanation on enwp, but basically it boils down to
slapping {{request edit}} on the talkpage with an explanation. That
way people actually see the request.
-I
Er, that should have probably been {{edit protected}}, not request edit,
sorry.
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[Wikitech-l] Tech Talk: Design Research in Product Development: Oct 22
Please join us for the following tech talk: *Tech Talk**:* Design Research in Product Development *Presenter:* Abbey Ripstra, Design Usability Research Analyst on The UX team at the Wikimedia Foundation *Date:* October 22 *Time:* 1900 UTC http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Tech+Talk%3A+Design+Research+in+Product+Developmentiso=20141022T19p1=1440ah=1 Link to live YouTube stream http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYMTzzosUIw *IRC channel for questions:* #wikimedia-office Google+ page https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/103470172168784626509/events/caiiagf75bvddr09nf4jbgccn30, another place for questions Talk description: The value of design research in product development is being recognized more frequently these days. This talk will quickly describe the innovation process, and how, when and why design research fits into the different parts of the innovation process. For most of the talk, Abbey will focus in on the product development part of innovation and describe how, when and why to best utilize the various methodologies of design research toward building intuitive, easy to use products that meet the needs of users. Abbey will also talk about, and want to collaborate on, the best ways to integrate design research, specifically, into product development at Wikimedia Foundation. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Announcement: Moriel Schottlender converts to Wikimedia staff
[Second one today!] I am delighted to announce that Moriel Schottlender [0] has converted to full time staff member status as a Software Engineer in Features Engineering, as of 1 October. Moriel has been working with us, initially as a GSoC 2013 student [1] and then as a student contractor in the Editing Team since last Summer. She has significantly improved editing tools, including providing much of the media editing and language mark-up support in VisualEditor, and creating and improving the GUI editor for TemplateData. As a native Hebrew speaker, her RTL expertise has been invaluable in helping the team find issues and improve experience for our. Moriel will continue working as part of the Editing Team [2] to help take forward our work of extending the various editing tools to make contributions easy for all our users. She will be moving to San Francisco from New York City where she is currently based. Some details from Moriel herself: I am originally from Israel, I've spent the last 9 years living in New York City, earning a bachelors degree in Physics and just now graduated with a Masters in Computer Science. I've worked for airline security and then as the internet applications project manager in the PR office of the Israeli Consulate in New York, both of which are pretty much the polar opposite to openness and open source, so if I suddenly revert to asking people to pack their own bags or to refer to the diplomat for official answers, feel free to slap me back to a better reality. I was a student for so long that the term hobbies is almost foreign. Is that what you do when you don't have homework and exams? Science - I do love to talk about, discuss, think about and demonstrate Physics and science in general, and I even have a science outreach website with some do-it-yourself science experiment videos and articles. If there's a microwave oven in the office, I can show everyone how to calculate the speed of light with a chocolate bar. Fiction writing - I love writing (fiction, not school essays) and when I do have some time I work on a science-fiction novella, though with the progress I'm making, it might have to be adjusted to holosuite emitters by the time it is done. (Trekkie reference!) Soundtrack music - I also love Broadway shows and listening to soundtracks in general. The Editing Team can testify how much I like Frozen and its songs, repeatedly. Oh, and I'm really excited to move to San Francisco and join everyone at the office! Please join me in congratulating Moriel. [0]: [[mw:User:MSchottlender-WMF https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MSchottlender-WMF]] [1]: [[mw:Summer of Code 2013 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013]] [2]: [[mw:Editing https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Editing]] Yours, -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, Editing Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Announcement: Moriel Schottlender converts to Wikimedia staff
What wonderful news! Congratulations, Moriel. Frances On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:58 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: [Second one today!] I am delighted to announce that Moriel Schottlender [0] has converted to full time staff member status as a Software Engineer in Features Engineering, as of 1 October. Moriel has been working with us, initially as a GSoC 2013 student [1] and then as a student contractor in the Editing Team since last Summer. She has significantly improved editing tools, including providing much of the media editing and language mark-up support in VisualEditor, and creating and improving the GUI editor for TemplateData. As a native Hebrew speaker, her RTL expertise has been invaluable in helping the team find issues and improve experience for our. Moriel will continue working as part of the Editing Team [2] to help take forward our work of extending the various editing tools to make contributions easy for all our users. She will be moving to San Francisco from New York City where she is currently based. Some details from Moriel herself: I am originally from Israel, I've spent the last 9 years living in New York City, earning a bachelors degree in Physics and just now graduated with a Masters in Computer Science. I've worked for airline security and then as the internet applications project manager in the PR office of the Israeli Consulate in New York, both of which are pretty much the polar opposite to openness and open source, so if I suddenly revert to asking people to pack their own bags or to refer to the diplomat for official answers, feel free to slap me back to a better reality. I was a student for so long that the term hobbies is almost foreign. Is that what you do when you don't have homework and exams? Science - I do love to talk about, discuss, think about and demonstrate Physics and science in general, and I even have a science outreach website with some do-it-yourself science experiment videos and articles. If there's a microwave oven in the office, I can show everyone how to calculate the speed of light with a chocolate bar. Fiction writing - I love writing (fiction, not school essays) and when I do have some time I work on a science-fiction novella, though with the progress I'm making, it might have to be adjusted to holosuite emitters by the time it is done. (Trekkie reference!) Soundtrack music - I also love Broadway shows and listening to soundtracks in general. The Editing Team can testify how much I like Frozen and its songs, repeatedly. Oh, and I'm really excited to move to San Francisco and join everyone at the office! Please join me in congratulating Moriel. [0]: [[mw:User:MSchottlender-WMF https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MSchottlender-WMF]] [1]: [[mw:Summer of Code 2013 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013]] [2]: [[mw:Editing https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Editing]] Yours, -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, Editing Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC meeting this week
If at all possible, if you could discuss Extension registration second, I would really appreciate it. I have something until 21:30 UTC so I will only be able to be online in the second half of the meeting. -- Tyler Romeo 0x405D34A7C86B42DF On October 6, 2014 at 22:08:47, Tim Starling (tstarl...@wikimedia.org) wrote: The next RFC meeting will discuss the following RFCs: * Extension registration https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Extension_registration * Change LESS compilation library https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Change_LESS_compilation_library The meeting will be on the IRC channel #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.org at the following time: * UTC: Wednesday 21:00 * US PDT: Wednesday 14:00 * Europe CEST: Wednesday 23:00 * Australia AEST: Thursday 07:00 -- Tim Starling ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Bináris wikipo...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a techguide anywhere on how to style templates to avoid mobile problems? There are a few notes here - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Writing_a_MobileFrontend_friendly_ResourceLoader_module#Styling_for_mobile but these apply to code rather than templates. Also find examples of bad practices in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Deprecating_inline_styles#Known_problematic_use_of_inline_styles ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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The wiki way is not to ask and wait for someone else to act, but to act directly in good faith and communicate what you did and why so that if there is disagreement it can be resolved afterwards. Sadly I only have template edit rights on my staff account and I really don't like using that account. In addition to this there are hundreds of copies of the template I fix so this becomes a nightmare. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Templates aren't protected by default =).
If they are protected there is generally a good reason such as heavy usage,
you can always put a comment on the talk page and tag it with
{{EditProtected}} which will summon someone with sysop rights.
You can also setup a /Sandbox page with the proposed changes so the person
that makes the changes can see the differences and make sure it works.
On 8 October 2014 10:48, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
The wiki way is not to ask and wait for someone else to act, but to act
directly in good faith and communicate what you did and why so that if
there is disagreement it can be resolved afterwards.
Sadly I only have template edit rights on my staff account and I
really don't like using that account. In addition to this there are
hundreds of copies of the template I fix so this becomes a nightmare.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}
Jon, Regarding editing specific templates, I'll echo Brion here. If a template is causing difficulties for your work and you feel like you know enough to fix it, then fix it! That's the wiki way. If you don't have the rights to edit the template (e.g. because it's protected), then speak to Tomasz and he will try to get you the rights that you need. Regarding the broader issue of the fact that there are thousands of these kinds of templates, I will also echo Brion! We need to make mobile testing more visible to those who are creating those templates. Dan On 7 October 2014 15:14, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Jon Robson jrob...@wikimedia.org wrote: On mobile we continuously get bugs related to inline styles in templates. For example: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68001 When these happen we usually spend time investigating, discover it is because of a troublesome inline style in the template and then we communicate this on the template talk page [1] However, rarely do these get replies and rarely does anything get fixed. Am I doing something wrong? Should I be posting these problems elsewhere? It seems like a lot of templates do not have active maintainers. The wiki way is not to ask and wait for someone else to act, but to act directly in good faith and communicate what you did and why so that if there is disagreement it can be resolved afterwards. Ultimately if we're unwilling to help edit and maintain the content and style of the wikis, we're going to be stuck working around bad styles forever. There has been an RFC [2] open for ages that when solved I hope will lead to lots of discussions between developers and template maintainers but right now it seems even without the tools we are failing. How can we get better at making our template styles more mobile friendly? [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templates I'd like to revitalize this one; I'll do some testing this weekend and put it on the agenda for next week's RfC. I'm also interested in some kind of easy preview how this page will look on mobile in the editor, which would probably be a separate thing... -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Dan Garry Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}
On 7 Oct 2014 18:03, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: Jon, Regarding editing specific templates, I'll echo Brion here. If a template is causing difficulties for your work and you feel like you know enough to fix it, then fix it! That's the wiki way. If you don't have the rights to edit the template (e.g. because it's protected), then speak to Tomasz and he will try to get you the rights that you need. Sure but this isn't scalable. I need more people caring about this stuff other than me :) Also currently the only way to deal with these issues is to move styles into Common.CSS which only really makes sense for widely used templates... Ideally I'd want some kind of sanity checking rather than doing it live which seems to be the current status quo. Changing HTML /CSS/JavaScript always felt uncomfortable to me. Regarding the broader issue of the fact that there are thousands of these kinds of templates, I will also echo Brion! We need to make mobile testing more visible to those who are creating those templates. Dan On 7 October 2014 15:14, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Jon Robson jrob...@wikimedia.org wrote: On mobile we continuously get bugs related to inline styles in templates. For example: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68001 When these happen we usually spend time investigating, discover it is because of a troublesome inline style in the template and then we communicate this on the template talk page [1] However, rarely do these get replies and rarely does anything get fixed. Am I doing something wrong? Should I be posting these problems elsewhere? It seems like a lot of templates do not have active maintainers. The wiki way is not to ask and wait for someone else to act, but to act directly in good faith and communicate what you did and why so that if there is disagreement it can be resolved afterwards. Ultimately if we're unwilling to help edit and maintain the content and style of the wikis, we're going to be stuck working around bad styles forever. There has been an RFC [2] open for ages that when solved I hope will lead to lots of discussions between developers and template maintainers but right now it seems even without the tools we are failing. How can we get better at making our template styles more mobile friendly? [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templates I'd like to revitalize this one; I'll do some testing this weekend and put it on the agenda for next week's RfC. I'm also interested in some kind of easy preview how this page will look on mobile in the editor, which would probably be a separate thing... -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Dan Garry Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}
On 7 Oct 2014 18:15, Jon Robson jrob...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 7 Oct 2014 18:03, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: Jon, Regarding editing specific templates, I'll echo Brion here. If a template is causing difficulties for your work and you feel like you know enough to fix it, then fix it! That's the wiki way. If you don't have the rights to edit the template (e.g. because it's protected), then speak to Tomasz and he will try to get you the rights that you need. Sure but this isn't scalable. I need more people caring about this stuff other than me :) Also currently the only way to deal with these issues is to move styles into Common.CSS which only really makes sense for widely used templates... Ideally I'd want some kind of sanity checking rather than doing it live which seems to be the current status quo. Changing HTML /CSS/JavaScript [without any kind of review] always felt uncomfortable to me. Regarding the broader issue of the fact that there are thousands of these kinds of templates, I will also echo Brion! We need to make mobile testing more visible to those who are creating those templates. Dan On 7 October 2014 15:14, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Jon Robson jrob...@wikimedia.org wrote: On mobile we continuously get bugs related to inline styles in templates. For example: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68001 When these happen we usually spend time investigating, discover it is because of a troublesome inline style in the template and then we communicate this on the template talk page [1] However, rarely do these get replies and rarely does anything get fixed. Am I doing something wrong? Should I be posting these problems elsewhere? It seems like a lot of templates do not have active maintainers. The wiki way is not to ask and wait for someone else to act, but to act directly in good faith and communicate what you did and why so that if there is disagreement it can be resolved afterwards. Ultimately if we're unwilling to help edit and maintain the content and style of the wikis, we're going to be stuck working around bad styles forever. There has been an RFC [2] open for ages that when solved I hope will lead to lots of discussions between developers and template maintainers but right now it seems even without the tools we are failing. How can we get better at making our template styles more mobile friendly? [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templates I'd like to revitalize this one; I'll do some testing this weekend and put it on the agenda for next week's RfC. I'm also interested in some kind of easy preview how this page will look on mobile in the editor, which would probably be a separate thing... -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Dan Garry Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}
On Oct 7, 2014 10:03 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Jon,
Regarding editing specific templates, I'll echo Brion here. If a template
is causing difficulties for your work and you feel like you know enough to
fix it, then fix it! That's the wiki way. If you don't have the rights to
edit the template (e.g. because it's protected), then speak to Tomasz and
he will try to get you the rights that you need.
Umm, is that really a good idea? Protected templates are protected for a
reason usually (at least on projects that ive worked on. Can't speak for
enwiki). {{Editprotected}} seems like a better option for those, even if
simply for political reasons, and if you find yourself making a lot of such
requests why not ask the community how it feels about giving out advanced
rights.
Imho, wmf granted advanced rights should be reserved for more serious
issues than purely asethetic ones.
I agree with the setiment of just being bold for unprotected templates.
--bawolff
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Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}
On Oct 7, 2014 10:03 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Jon,
Regarding editing specific templates, I'll echo Brion here. If a template
is causing difficulties for your work and you feel like you know enough to
fix it, then fix it! That's the wiki way. If you don't have the rights to
edit the template (e.g. because it's protected), then speak to Tomasz and
he will try to get you the rights that you need.
Umm, is that really a good idea? Protected templates are protected for a
reason usually (at least on projects that ive worked on. Can't speak for
enwiki). {{Editprotected}} seems like a better option for those, even if
simply for political reasons, and if you find yourself making a lot of such
requests why not ask the community how it feels about giving out advanced
rights.
Imho, wmf granted advanced rights should be reserved for more serious
issues than purely asethetic ones.
I agree with the setiment of just being bold for unprotected templates.
--bawolff
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Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}
As members of the Mobile Team, it's our job to make the mobile platform the
best it can be. If we have to edit templates to do that because they're
causing significant display issues that are disrupting the platform, so be
it. For example, let's say pie charts are completely broken on mobile and
display incorrectly. Should we not fix it because it's only aesthetic?
Jon is very capable and his restraint in this matter demonstrates that. I
trust him, like I would trust any administrator, to know when directly
editing is appropriate (e.g. templates protected simply to fend off
vandalism), and when making an edit request is more appropriate (e.g.
particularly complex templates which need review of changes).
Dan
On Tuesday, October 7, 2014, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 7, 2014 10:03 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org javascript:;
wrote:
Jon,
Regarding editing specific templates, I'll echo Brion here. If a template
is causing difficulties for your work and you feel like you know enough
to
fix it, then fix it! That's the wiki way. If you don't have the rights to
edit the template (e.g. because it's protected), then speak to Tomasz and
he will try to get you the rights that you need.
Umm, is that really a good idea? Protected templates are protected for a
reason usually (at least on projects that ive worked on. Can't speak for
enwiki). {{Editprotected}} seems like a better option for those, even if
simply for political reasons, and if you find yourself making a lot of such
requests why not ask the community how it feels about giving out advanced
rights.
Imho, wmf granted advanced rights should be reserved for more serious
issues than purely asethetic ones.
I agree with the setiment of just being bold for unprotected templates.
--bawolff
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