Re: [Wikitech-l] How much data can we plan to upload on Wikidata infrastructure? [Was: Fwd: Re: [wikidata] [glam] [Toulouse] Projet de partenariat CNES]

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 12:46 PM Eran Rosenthal  wrote:
> I'm not sure Wikidata/Wikibase is the right platform for real-time/near
> real time data or such raw data from sensors.
>
> Dependening on the usage I think the following should be considered:
> * What resultion (time resolution/spatial resolution) is really needed for
> readers? (Probably averaging/down sampling is required anyway)
> * Consider whether Wikibase is the right platform for it, or maybe Commons
> (see Help:Map_Data
> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Map_Data?rdfrom=commons:Help:Map_Data> 
> and
> Help:Tabular_Data
> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tabular_Data?rdfrom=commons:Help:Tabular_Data>
>  )

Yes. I agree with what Eran said. This seems like a case where you'd
not be very happy with Wikibase for all the data - but maybe a
meaningful subset of it.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] s5/s8 failover on Tue 9th - 6:00AM UTC

[Lydia Pintscher]

Awesome, thanks for making it happen and the update!


Cheers
Lydia


On Jan 9, 2018 07:56, "Manuel Arostegui"  wrote:



On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 6:50 AM, Manuel Arostegui 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> We are starting in 10 minutes
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Manuel Arostegui <
> maroste...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone
>>
>> Happy new year!
>>
>> This is a reminder.
>>
>> Next Tuesday 9th January at 6:00AM UTC we will have a read only time on
>> s5 for 30 minutes (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T181645 ), to
>> proceed and split wikidata onto its own hardware and make the new s8 shard
>> live (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T177208).
>>
>> Amir and Katie have kindly agreed to help us with testing and any
>> possible troubleshooting from the code side.
>>
>> Communication and coordination will happen on #wikimedia-operations if
>> anyone else is around and willing to provide another pair of eyes, that
>> would be, of course, much appreciated!
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jaime, Manuel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>


Hello,

The failover to split s5 and s8 was done successfully (https://phabricator.
wikimedia.org/T177208#3885585)
So now dewiki lives on s5 (not changed) and wikidata has its own set of
servers in a new shard called s8.

Thanks everyone who helped out!

Jaime,Manuel
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata revisions mail

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Sep 19, 2017 12:01, "יגאל חיטרון"  wrote:

Hello.
Since yesterday, I started to get a lot of letters about unexisting
revisions in ruwiki articles. I did not changed something relevant in
preferences, I think. A little investigation gave me the cause - these are
edits of items that are connected by the the item of my watchlist articles
in Wikidata. I know this is a probem in special:watchlist, this is why I do
not turn on the wikidata in watchlist. But it's the first time I can see
them in emails. How can I turn off these, and only these letters, please? I
couldn't find something fit in preferences. At least, good it's on ruwiki
only, I almost do not work there, have about a dozen of pages in watchlist,
so I get these mails once an hour. If it would happen in my home wiki with
thousands of pages in watchlist, it can be a letter every second. What can
I do?


Sorry about this. You should not be getting these emails. We are
investigating this in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T174794


Cheers
Lydia


Thank you,
Igal (User:Ikhitron)
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Re: [Wikitech-l] @author annotations in files in the mediawiki codebase

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Antoine Musso  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Jon Robson opened a task about it a year or so ago:
>
>   "Remove @author lines from code"
>   https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139301
>
> MY understanding is that removing the @author @copyright tags in
> MediaWiki code represent ownership of the original code placed under the
> GPL. Subsequent modifications being derivative products.
>
> I am not a lawyer, but by dropping the copyright information, I highly
> suspect that will be a breach of the license.
>
> We also had a conversation about the CREDITS file:
> https://lists.gt.net/wiki/wikitech/714928

We've had the same discussion in the team earlier this year and I dug up this:
https://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2012/ManagingCopyrightInformation.html

The relevant part for us is this: "But be careful when removing the
notices of other developers. Since free software licenses require
licensees to preserve notices, wrongfully removing one is a violation
of the license from that contributor and may be copyright
infringement. If it’s absolutely clear that every remnant of a
developer’s contribution has been removed, then it is probably OK to
remove the associated copyright notice; otherwise, it’s best to keep
it around. However, a requirement to “preserve” or “reproduce” a
developer’s copyright notice does not necessarily require that the
notice be kept in exactly the same place it started; it’s usually
acceptable to move notices from individual source files to a central
attribution file, for example."


Cheers
Lydia


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Announcing the release of the Wikidata Query Service

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:42 AM, MZMcBride  wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Thanks for the reply. I'm still not sure I fully understand the
> status/progress and how Wikidata infrastructure interrelates.
>
> From a wiki such as the English Wikipedia, I want to be able to
> dynamically create a list of every president of the United States, for
> example. In terms of implementation, the on-wiki interface would likely be
> Scribunto/Lua modules or a parser function or some kind, I think? Are you
> saying this type of arbitrary querying will be possible soon?

It'll still take some time until my team can dive into it. We still
have to take care of a few more fundamental data quality related
features. Until then you can use Magnus' excellent bot to do something
similar.

> On Meta-Wiki, I happened to see
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=13546684&oldid=13540264>,
> which is also kind of muddying the timelines and features in my head. It
> sounds like, at least for Meta-Wiki, the Wikidata access roll-out won't be
> happening in September, it'll be happening in October. And even in
> October, it will be limited to interwiki data initially. Is what's being
> discussed on Meta-Wiki (interwiki data access) what the English Wikipedia
> and other Wikipedias have already had for several months?

Yes. They are getting what enwp and others have had for quite some time.

> I'm really excited about the ability to do arbitrary on-wiki querying. :-)

:) Me too!


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata API breaking changes

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:04 AM, John Mark Vandenberg  wrote:
> The merged changeset included changes which were not advertised,
> causing pywikibot to break.  See T110559
>
> The wbgetentities JSON 'entities' is now an array/list of entities
> instead of a mapping/dictionary of 'Qd' => entity.

We're looking into it now.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Announcing the release of the Wikidata Query Service

[Lydia Pintscher]

Hey MZ :)

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 7:00 AM, MZMcBride  wrote:
> Dan Garry wrote:
>>The Discovery Department at the Wikimedia Foundation is pleased to
>>announce the release of the Wikidata Query Service
>><https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikidata_query_service>! You can find the
>>interface for the service at https://query.wikidata.org.
>>
>>The Wikidata Query Service is designed to let users run queries on the
>>data contained in Wikidata. The service uses SPARQL
>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARQL> as the query language. You can see
>>some example queries in the user manual
>><https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikidata_query_service/User_Manual>.
>
> Thanks for this e-mail. Wikidata query service looks neat.
>
> When will be this type of functionality be available on-wiki? I have a
> vague memory that some type of query service similar to this one was/is
> intended to be used to allow arbitrary access to Wikidata data from/on
> Wikimedia wikis such as the English Wikipedia.

You're mixing up two things. (No problem. It _is_ confusing.) Let me
try to untangle it:
* The Wikipedias only had access to the dataset from Wikidata that was
directly linked via an interwiki link on any given article. This had
technical reasons - performance among others. The Wikidata team has
worked over the past months to remove this limitation. That is what we
call arbitrary access - you can get data from any dataset on Wikidata.
This is now live on many of our wikis. There are only a few missing -
among them English Wikipedia. English Wikipedia will get it next
Wednesday.
* The other thing is automatic list creation and maintenance and
related features. My team is still planning to do this. The Wikidata
Query Service is the basis for it. Magnus has made a working prototype
already that you can try out right now:
http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=301 It'd be great for more people
to use this and give us feedback so we can let that influence future
features.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Jul 6, 2015 01:13, "S Page"  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Brian Wolff  wrote:
>
> > First of all, the links at the beginning, should not go directly to
> > the projects in question, they should go to pages explaining how to
> > use those projects in question on the outside.
>
>
> Agreed, T104282 'Create landing pages for the free open knowledge sources
> on the Data and Developer Hub.'
>
>
> > If they wanted to just
> > visit the wiki, they would have done that (Perhaps, this was already
> > planned, and the current version is still just an early draft with not
> > all the pieces in place yet?)
> >
> > Second, the existing showcased projects, seem to much like the sort of
> > thing someone making a mobile Wikipedia App would want. Most people
> > probably don't want article excerpts in their search results (I assume
> > anyways). Most people aren't searching through a list of Wikipedia
> > articles, unless they are wikipedia or related to wikipedia.
> >
> > But we do have one of the largest collections of (mostly) organized
> > knowledge available for free (In both senses of the word). This is
> > valuable, and quite unique on the internet. We should capitalize on
> > this.
> >
> > Things like "Show a short snippet about this topic from Wikipedia" (+
> > a link to more information) could be quite useful to many people.
> >
>
> Sure, that's Hovercards. It's a subset of
>
http://devhub.wmflabs.org/wiki/API:Page_info_in_search_results#Showing_useful_page_information
> and I mention it at the end. Should we provide more than sample API calls?
> Would a JS module that formats the results be useful?
>
> The interesting challenge is how to identify "this topic". Will websites
> manually link to Michael Jackson (radio commentator)
>  or
> just link "Michael Jackson" and hope for the best? Should we be
> evangelizing wikidata numbers like Q6831566 for external apps?

Yes. Having clear identifiers for identifying concepts for these usecases
is exactly what Wikidata identifiers are made for.

> Another thing sites can do is related content, I just learned about
> CirrusSearch's morelike: search operator.
>
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=search&srsearch=morelike:Michael_Jackson&srlimit=10&srprop=size&formatversion=2
> .  Such page retrieval and searches all tend to query for lead image and
> textextract or wikitext description, so articles on them would overlap,
but
> that's OK.
>
> Commons is another great resource because its information can be
> > easily broken up into digestible parts like a single image (Which is
> > much harder for a Wikipedia article). I think things like
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/PhotoCommons which would allow a
> > website operator to quickly allow their users to add stock photos to
> > whatever it is their users do, is a good thing to focus on.
> >
> > Wikidata seems almost custom made for the type of user who would like
> > to add cusom knowledge to their website.
> >
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Dev.wikimedia.org/Contributing , you can
> propose these and if you know of examples doing this, even better.
>
>
> > The other thing that should definitely be on the dev hub, is probably
> > a link to our terms. We should emphasize that you can use your data,
> > and we generally don't track you the way a facebook like button does.
> > That you don't need an api key or anyone's permission. Of course we
> > should also state what you do need to do (Give credit/follow license,
> > set a user-agent header)
> >
>
> Yup T317  '"Terms of Use" must be prominently featured in the Developer
> Hub'. I was thinking of mentioning it in the three adding it to the
footer,
> but maybe that's not prominent enough.
>
> Great feedback, thanks.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Feedback requested on our search APIs

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Brian Wolff  wrote:
>> To really make this awesome we need structured data support for
>> Commons with Wikidata. We'll be making more progress on it in the
>> second half of this year but there is a lot to do.
>
> Sure, to really make that awsome, yeah you need wikidata. But we are
> far away from hitting the point where we need wikidata. In fact the
> three examples McBride gave don't need wikidata. mime type and file
> size are easily programmaticly available already.

Yeah of course.

> And unless I'm
> mistaken, functionally dependent metadata like algortihmically
> determined main image colour, are out of scope of wikidata.

We've been thinking about this a bit but no decision has been made.
It'd be nice to make these accessible in the same way as other
properties without needing to store and maintain them the same way.
We've been thinking about some kind of fake properties for example.
But we'll worry about that when we get there.
We're getting a bit off-topic. Sorry, Dan.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Feedback requested on our search APIs

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 8:01 AM, MZMcBride  wrote:
> I have two recurring thoughts about search lately, since you asked.
>
> First, multimedia search is absolutely horrible, basically non-existent.
> If you go to Wikimedia Commons and try its search functionality and then
> compare to any other media service on the Internet, you can quickly come
> up with a list of a dozen features that are missing (search by file size,
> by color, by image file format, etc.).

To really make this awesome we need structured data support for
Commons with Wikidata. We'll be making more progress on it in the
second half of this year but there is a lot to do.



> Beyond these two points, it's vitally important that we able to
> arbitrarily query Wikidata soon. I'm hoping this functionality is live on
> Wikimedia wikis by the end of 2015. And speaking to APIs specifically, we
> really need to focus on projects such as Wiktionary and Wikisource that
> are desperately in need of API support to serialize and add structure to
> what is currently very fragile blobs of wikitext markup.

Please give feedback on the latest proposal for Wikidata support for
Wiktionary: 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development/Proposals/2015-05


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Cross wiki templates

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Petr Bena  wrote:
> That isn't exactly what I want.
>
> I would like to have a template {{Foo}} that would return value of
> wikidata -> [[Bar]] -> property "Version" where "Bar" is hardcoded, so
> no matter of page I include this template on, the value is same. Your
> templates are dynamic, changing for every article you use them on.

Once arbitrary access is live you can just hardcode the item ID you
want to access in the module.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Cross wiki templates

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Petr Bena  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry, I know I asked about this thing recently, but I can't remember
> what the outcome was.
>
> I know it's currently not possible to create cross wiki templates, but
> is there any plan to implement this feature? For example pages like
> http://enwp.org/Linux contains "Latest version" and probably many
> other pages reference this latest version. Not only on english
> wikipedia, but many other wikis as well.
>
> We have the people to update all wikis when new version is out, but we
> don't have them for every piece of software on the planet, so having a
> central template that would contain DATA * that could be accessed
> anywhere would be nice.
>
> * Now why I highlighted DATA? Because I was thinking that project
> called "wikidata" would actually fit this purpose. Unfortunatelly it's
> not. The internal API's of wikidata do not allow for some weird
> security reasons to access data for any article from article with
> different name. So if there was entry in wikidata for linux, and I
> wanted to access property "version" in article [[Linux kernel
> history]] I wouldn't be able to do that. {{FIXME}}

This is exactly what Wikidata is for. And the reason you can't access
data from arbitrary items right now isn't some weird security reason.
It is not being able to purge pages as data changes. The mechanism for
that is being rolled out now but will still take a while to get to
your wiki. You want to track https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T49930


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata search provider for GNOME Shell

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 6:24 AM, Bahodir Mansurov
 wrote:
> I’ve created a GNOME Shell extension that allows the user to search for 
> Wikidata items directly from the shell. Currently you can search for simple 
> things such as “Obama”, “Book”, etc. I plan on adding support for complex 
> queries such as “the population of the earth” which would show the current 
> population of the earth. In the future I also see this extension handle the 
> submission of new entries or editing existing ones. Check it out here [1] if 
> you’re interested. Pull requests are also welcome ;)
>
> [1] https://github.com/6ahodir/wikidata-search-provider

Thanks, Bahodir!
Forwarding to the Wikidata mailing list so they get to see this too.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Maintainers (was Re: Who maintains ConfirmEdit core part?)

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
 wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Quim Gil  wrote:
>
>> Looking at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers/Maintainers
>
>
> Speaking of that page, there are a bunch of extensions there with no
> maintainers listed that could probably be filled in. For example, all the
> Wikibase-related extensions are maintained by people from WMDE,[1] and I
> imagine the Zero extensions could link to [2].
>
>  [1]: I couldn't find a "team page" listing the developers, but I expect
> there is one somewhere.
>  [2]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero

You are looking for https://wikimedia.de/wiki/Mitarbeitende which has
our software development department further down on the page. Note:
Not all of them are working on Wikidata.


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[Wikitech-l] reviews needed for pubsubhubbub extension

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Hey folks :)

Wikimedia Germany has been working with a team of students over the
past months. They have among other things developed a pubsubhubbub
extension. The idea is that we allow 3rd parties to easily subscribe
to changes made on Wikidata or any other wiki. Wikidata's changes get
send to a hub which then notifies all subscribers who are interested
in the change.
We'd like to get this extension deployed for Wikidata and possibly
later other Wikimedia projects. For this they need some more eyes to
review them. RobLa suggested I send an email to wikitech-l about it.
The review bugs for this are
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67117 and
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67118
Thanks for your help getting this ready for deployment.


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[Wikitech-l] reviews needed for upcoming query functionality for Wikidata

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Hi folks,

The Wikidata dev team has been working on simple query functionality
for Wikibase over the past months. It's now in a state where we would
like to get it reviewed and deployed. RobLa suggested I email
wikitech-l to get some more eyes on it. Once deployed users will be
able to search for single property-value pairs and get a list of
results - via the API and a special page. Example: Give me all items
that have a statement "producer: J.J. Abrams".
The bug reports for performance and security review are at:
* https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67533
* https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67534
* https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67535
* https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67536

Thanks for your help getting this ready for deployment.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Do we have any data in wikidata / wiktionary that could be used for mechanic translations?

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Petr Bena  wrote:
> I am happy to know that we are doing at least "something" on this :)
> hopefully a first step to some more complex solution? Because from the
> proposal you linked I can't see how would I easily translate "apple"
> to different language. I know I can perform a number of lookups and
> queries to accomplish that, but IMHO it should be easier.

Yes this is the groundwork for potentially more complex translation
systems later. If/when/how that'll be done I have no idea. But this is
the next step on the way ;-)


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Do we have any data in wikidata / wiktionary that could be used for mechanic translations?

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Petr Bena  wrote:
> I was looking for a free (possibly open source) provider of automatic
> translations for my open source application I am working on and quite
> had troubles finding some. Then I realized we have a project called
> "wiktionary" which could possibly (I was assuming it's open
> dictionary) help me here, but I was quite disappointed as I couldn't
> find any simple way to perform simple queries like:
>
> translate "banana" from english to czech
>
> I think that we could (maybe should in spirit of openness and
> wikiness) have some wiki-based web application that would serve this
> purpose - allow people query / translate simple words, but maybe even
> whole phrases. If anyone could edit this, maybe it would grow up into
> huge dictionary of all possible or frequent phrases that could be
> easily translated to any language on world.
>
> Do we already have anything like this?

It doesn't exist yet but it is on the longer-term (aka 2015 earliest)
plan for the Wikidata team. The current proposal is at
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Adding new property value in WIKIDATA

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On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Gerard Meijssen
 wrote:
> Hoi,
> The process is cumbersome; you have to request the creation of a new
> property in Wikidata itself. It is anybody's guess how long it will take
> for a positive response. Even a negative response is something that can
> have you wait for a long time.

This is for creating a completely new property. And yes this takes
some time - for a good reason.
Anjali: Do you want to create a new property or just add a new value
using an existing property? To clarify: When you go to
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q42 "instance of" is a property. The
ones that exist can be used anywhere you want in Wikidata. "human" is
the value.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Dynamic search results as category pages

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On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Yuri Astrakhan
 wrote:
> Hi, I am thinking of implementing a
>
> #CATQUERY 
>
> magic keyword for the category pages.
>
> When this keyword is present, the category page would execute a query
> against the search backend instead of normal category behavior and show
> result as if those pages were actually marked with this category.
>
> For example, this would allow Greek Philosophers category page to be
> quickly redefined as
> a cross-section of greeks & philosophers categories:
>
> #CATQUERY incategory:Greek incategory:Philosopher
>
> Obviously the community will be able to define much more elaborate queries,
> including the ordering (will be supported by the new search backend)

In the future this will be possible using Wikidata and queries. My
dream is that categories will to a very large extend go away then and
be replaced with better Wikidata-based tools. I'd _really_ like us not
to introduce more incentives to use categories like this one. Also
it'd be quite a source for confusion to have both.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Filtering out bugs that wait for a response

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Petr Bena  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> is there any possible technical way to make a filter in bugzilla that
> filter out bugs that are waiting for a response from bug opener (OP)?
>
> I suppose there could be either a keyword or something like
> WAITING-FOR-RESPONSE but in that case it would need to be removed by
> hand when OP respond.
>
> Or there could be a condition that filter out bugs where OP doesn't
> have last comment? Or probably it would be best to combine both,
> keyword and check if OP has last comment. But not really sure if that
> is even possible.
>
> Any ideas? It would help to simplify some of my bug lists which are
> typically full of bugs where I am just waiting for someone to respond
> to a question but which I can't close now.

Same here. You are looking for
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36064


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Google Code-in: are you in?

[Lydia Pintscher]

Since I've been asked... ;-)


On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Andre Klapper  wrote:
> I organized GNOME's participation in Google Code-In (and its predecessor
> GHOP) three times in the past.

I've done it tree times for KDE now (together with other people). We
also applied again for this round.

> == Stuff that takes time when preparing / taking part ==
>
> What takes most of the time for admins is
> 1) before contest starts, nag developers and community members to become
> mentors and to provide a large number of really well-defined and
> well-documented tasks which are not too small and not too big, and
> 2) when the contest is running, make sure mentors respond quickly.
> Students could come across as impatient due to Code-In's competition
> system (students get points for tasks, you cannot claim a new task until
> the old one has been reviewed and finished, and students with most
> points get a trip to Google HQ. Last time organizations had to agree
> that reviews must happen within 36 hours, also on weekends/holidays).
> This nagging often took me about an hour per day, every day.
>
> But maybe rules / ToS have changed again this year, don't know.

The rules were changed last year and that improved things quite a bit.
The same rules apply again this year. But yes it is a considerable
time-investment for the admin especially. And mentors need to be aware
that they are expected to be available also over the holidays if they
offer tasks.

> == Aspects to consider whether to try or not ==
>
> In 2012, GNOME did not apply for taking part.
> The reasons that I see are:
> 1) translation tasks were not allowed anymore,
> 2) Google reduced the number of orgs to 10 so preparation work might
> have not paid off in the end,
> 3) time spent mentoring students took often longer than if mentors did
> the task themselves,

Correct. Like almost all mentoring ;-) Seriously though. It's a
time-investment that needs to pay off later.

> 4) tasks only take a few days (no creation of strong binding to
> mentor/org),

The change of the rules significantly improved this last year.

> 5) students often didn't stick with the org afterwards but maybe were
> more after t-shirt/money/Google invitation.

Most of course will not stay around. However this is not why KDE is
doing this. We're doing it to show the next generation that free
software can be really cool and that they can be a part of it no
matter their skillset. And then of course each year you have one or
two kids who really stand out and will stick around. Last year's
Code-in brought at least 4 kids in who are still around and do
impressive work. See
http://dot.kde.org/2013/07/15/akademy-2013-day-two for a report of two
of them (our winners) who got to come to Akademy, our annual meeting.
These kids are an inspiration and it rubs off on the rest of the
community.

So all in all it really depends on the mindset you go into this with.
Don't expect too much. Do expect to get a lot of small stuff done that
otherwise no-one gets to. Do expect to be really impressed by one or
two kids. Do be aware that it is a huge time-investment that some
people think is a waste. Be prepared that these are kids and that
their contributions will mostly reflect this barring a few awesome
exceptions. Don't do it just for your project but free software in
general. Don't do it if that is not important for you.

KDE is in the fantastic position to have a community that sees
mentoring as one of its most important tasks and it is a core part of
the mindset of the community. It'd be great if MediaWiki could one day
get to that place too.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC 2013 Summary: Mobilize Wikidata

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Pragun Bhutani  wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> It's been an absolute pleasure working with this community for GSoC 2013.
> I've had a really good experience and it was really nice to get to know you
> all.
>
> I've written a blog post to summarize my experience over this summer as
> well as discuss my plans for the project in the future.
> http://blog.pragunbhutani.in/articles/google-summer-of-code-2013-wrap-up/
>
> Please check it out, and if you find the project interesting and would like
> to contribute to it: Don't bother knocking, come on in! :)

That's a great summary, Pragun. Thank you for sharing it. I'm looking
forward to continuing to work with you on all things Wikidata!


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[Wikitech-l] Job posting: frontend dev (JavaScript) at Wikimedia Deutschland

[Lydia Pintscher]

Heya folks :)

Wikimedia Deutschland is looking for a software developer to work on
all kinds of frontend-related things on exciting projects like
Wikidata in a very cool team. If you're currently looking for a job
and have the necessary skills please apply. You can find details at
https://wikimedia.de/wiki/Software_Developer_(f/m)_focus_on_Frontend_Development_with_JavaScript
Please let me know if you have any questions.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] paper cuts

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Lydia Pintscher
 wrote:
> Heya folks :)
>
> Quite a while ago Ubuntu did a paper cuts initiative
> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneHundredPaperCuts). Basically it was about
> collecting and fixing small bugs/annoyances that were easy to fix but
> had a large impact on how pleasant it is to use the product. We're
> going to do something similar for Wikidata now.
>
> I'd like to get a bugzilla keyword for this so we can easily tag those
> bugs. For that I need at least one other team however who'd like to
> join such an initiative. Is there anyone who's interested in this?

Sumana asked me for an update about how this is going so here it is:

I think it is going very very well so far. We've had a lot of
high-quality, structured and useful input on
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Paper_cuts and people seem to
love the idea. Now it's up to the development team and the rest of the
community to start working on fixes for the issues we've collected.
IMHO definitely something to try for other new projects that could use
some polish.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] paper cuts

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On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Bartosz Dziewoński  wrote:
> Why not use the 'easy' keyword? It appears these is only one
> Wikidata-related bug marked as such right now:
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=%3Awikidata%20%21easy&list_id=227617

An easy bug is not necessarily a paper cut bug. Paper cut bugs are
also not necessarily suitable for someone to get started.


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[Wikitech-l] paper cuts

[Lydia Pintscher]

Heya folks :)

Quite a while ago Ubuntu did a paper cuts initiative
(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneHundredPaperCuts). Basically it was about
collecting and fixing small bugs/annoyances that were easy to fix but
had a large impact on how pleasant it is to use the product. We're
going to do something similar for Wikidata now.

I'd like to get a bugzilla keyword for this so we can easily tag those
bugs. For that I need at least one other team however who'd like to
join such an initiative. Is there anyone who's interested in this?


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Voting disabled in bugzilla for some products

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Andre Klapper  wrote:
> So I assume that you go to
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/query.cgi?query_format=advanced , select
> the components that you maintain and only include tickets that are in
> open state, retrieve the search results (list of open tickets), and sort
> the results by the "Votes" column?

I personally filter for all open bugs that have
wikidata-b...@lists.wikimedia.org as assignee or cc and then sort by
vote, yes. I have a saved search for that. I look at these roughly
weekly to see if this still matches what I hear elsewhere in the
community. I do not only take votes into account because of course a
lot of people don't use bugzilla and even fewer vote there. In
addition I've heard a few too many "I'm not voting because it doesn't
change anything anyway" for my taste. Guess that's a matter of
training of the past years -.-


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Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] IMPORTANT: Mentor Midterm Evaluations 29 July - 2 August

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Quim Gil  wrote:
> GSoC mentors: read this email through and submit your mid-term evaluation
> between 29 July - 2 August in Google Melange. One per project is enough. If
> the primary mentor can't make it then the secondary mentor needs to step in.
>
> VERY IMPORTANT
> Missing this deadline means the cancellation of your student's GSoC project.
> It also means "damage points" for Wikimedia in the current and future GSoC
> editions.
>
> You have the questions of the evaluation below, and you can start preparing
> it now. Please add "Mid-term evaluation: WIP" in the table at
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013 now (so your student and
> the org admins know that you are on it). After submitting it change that
> line with "Mid-term evaluation: OK".
>
> Students: do not hesitate pinging your mentors about this evaluation if you
> don't hear from them. Also remember that your monthly reports are expected
> during next week.
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013#Reporting
>
> Thank you to everybody!
>
> PS: fwiw I'm starting a week of holidays tomorrow and then I will be flying
> to Hong Kong for Wikimania on Aug 1-2. If you need and org admin Lydia
> Pintscher will be able to help you.

Heya folks :)

This is your reminder that you can start filling out GSoC mid-term
evaluations in 9 hours from now. You have 4 days to do this. Please do
not wait with filling this out until the last minute to keep your
admins from going insane ;-)


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Voting disabled in bugzilla for some products

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On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Andre Klapper  wrote:
> The main reason for not enabling voting everywhere is that votes need to
> be considered a source of input in the planning process. If votes do not
> influence decisions, users just get fooled.

Yes. Absolutely agreed. Let's not have it just as a feel-good thing
that isn't really influencing anything.

> My current feeling is that votes in bug reports do not influence any
> decisions, so I personally support switching them off entirely.

I'd like to keep them at least for the Wikidata-related bugs. The
votes there are taken into account.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] IMPORTANT: Mentor Midterm Evaluations 29 July - 2 August

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Raylton P. Sousa
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> If you both will be traveling, who will do the work of the org adm.
> Eg. on IRC

Me. I am available on IRC until Monday. I would assume you are all old
enough to come to me with pressing questions until then :) And as I
said I will try to be available via email after that as well.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] IMPORTANT: Mentor Midterm Evaluations 29 July - 2 August

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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Chris McMahon  wrote:
> Just confirming that nothing is required for OPW and that this is only for
> GSoC

Correct. This formal evaluation is for GSoC.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] IMPORTANT: Mentor Midterm Evaluations 29 July - 2 August

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Quim Gil  wrote:
> PS: fwiw I'm starting a week of holidays tomorrow and then I will be flying
> to Hong Kong for Wikimania on Aug 1-2. If you need and org admin Lydia
> Pintscher will be able to help you.

As Quim said I am available to answer any question you might have. I
will however also be traveling to COSCUP and then Wikimania starting
on Monday and be less responsive then. (I will still read emails.) So
please: If you have any questions, doubts or issues come to me as
early as possible. Don't wait until the last minute. Also if you will
not be able to fill out the evaluation and need me to do it for you
let me know now please. Neither Quim nor me will be able to run after
you much to get you to fill out your evaluation.
I will send another ping on Monday when you can fill out the evaluation.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikidata-tech] Public hangout on Travis CI

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On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Denny Vrandečić
 wrote:
> Tomorrow at 2pm Berlin time, the Wikidata team will host a public hangout on
> Travis. This is mostly meant to inform ourselves, but it might be a good
> resource for others as well.
>
> We might be late, as this is the first time we are doing such a thing, so
> bring a bit patience.
>
> We will try to record it and make it available afterwards.
>
> We will send the login data and URLs to IRC on #wikimedia-wikidata around
> that time.
>
> Thanks to Jeroen for preparing the session, and Lydia for the technical
> setup.

Hey :)

We'll start in 5 minutes at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCDFBiVBfNY
If you want you can ask questions in #wikimedia-wikidata on irc.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] wikidata-vagrant: SSH command responded with a non-zero exit status

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Robert Vogel  wrote:
> Hi everybody!
>
> I tried to set up a WikiData development environment using Vagrant[1]. At 
> first everything seemed to be okay. The “precise64” VM was downloaded and the 
> automated setup with “puppet” started. But then after Apache, MySQL and PHP 
> were installed the following error occurred:

Hi Robert,

Unfortunately the person on our team who is the Vagrant expert is on
vacation for quite a while. Does anyone else familiar with Vagrant
know what's the issue here?


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[Wikitech-l] development list for Wikidata

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Heya folks :)

We've created https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-tech
to keep all the development discussions around Wikidata in one public
place. Feel free to subscribe if you are interested.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC 2013 Proposal for Entity Suggester

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Nilesh Chakraborty  wrote:
> Hi Lydia,
>
> I've submitted the proposal via google-melange.com too.
>
> Thanks Rahul, I added my details on the
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013#Students list.
>
> Could you tell me whom I should list as my mentor?

Please list Denny and Daniel Kinzler for now. (This might change still.)


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Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC 2013 Proposal for Entity Suggester

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Nilesh Chakraborty  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have drafted my proposal under my user page here:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Nilesh.c/Entity_Suggester
>
> Please have a look at it and let me know if I can make any changes to make
> it better in any way. :-)

Please don't forget to also submit it on google-melange.com before the
deadline in a few hours. Otherwise we can not accept it.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoc2013] Interested in developing Entity Suggester

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Nilesh Chakraborty  wrote:
> Hi Lydia,
>
> That helps a lot, and makes it way more interesting. Rather than being a
> one-size-fits-all solution, as it seems to me, each property or each type
> of property (eg. different relationships) will need individual attention
> and different methods/metrics for recommendation.
>
> The examples you gave, like continents, sex, relations like father/son,
> uncle/aunt/spouse, or place-oriented properties like place of birth,
> country of citizenship, ethnic group etc. - each type has a certain pattern
> to it (if a person was born in the US, US should be one of the countries he
> was a citizen of; US census/ethnicity statistics may be used to predict
> ethnic group etc.) I'm already starting to chalk out a few patterns and how
> they can be used for recommendation. In my proposal, should I go into
> details regarding these? Or should I just give a few examples and explain
> how the algorithms would work, to explain the idea?

Give some examples and how you'd handle them. You definitely don't
need to have it for all properties. What's important is giving an idea
about how you'd tackle the problem. Give the reader the impression
that you know what you are talking about and can handle the larger
problem.

Also: Don't make the system too intelligent like it knowing about US
census data for example. Keep it simple and stupid for now. Things
like "property A is usually used with value X, Y or Z" should cover a
lot already and are likely enough for most cases.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoc2013] Interested in developing Entity Suggester

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Nilesh Chakraborty  wrote:
>
> I have a question - when someone creates a new statement, for suggesting
> "properties", I can use collaborative filtering to make suggestions.
> Example, explained in the simplest terms - suppose there are X cities in
> the dataset. The user is adding another city (writes 'city in Australia'
> for short description). The system checks all other cities, figures out the
> common properties and suggests them. Cool. But I can't get any "exact"
> ideas off the top of my head that can used to suggest "values" for the
> properties. Suppose one of the recommended properties is "population". How
> can I make the system guess its value? (Am I getting this right?) Have you
> guys got anything on your minds regarding this? Please point me to the
> right direction. :)


For your example I'd say that isn't really possible indeed. But take
for example a country. Someone wants to add
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P30 to indicate which continent
this country is on. Across all of Wikidata this property should have a
very limited number of values. The same is true for things like the
sex of a person. And then for something a bit more advanced: there are
things like the property father. The suggested values for this should
be other items that are persons.
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties has the list
of all current properties. I am sure you can find more such cases.

Hope that makes it clearer.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Ideating on GSoC project : Mobilize Wikidata

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Pragun Bhutani  wrote:
> So I've been trying to implement the suggestions and I think I'm one step
> away from seeing results. I've got Wikibase and all its dependancies set
> up, I've got mobile frontend installed (but commented out for the moment).

Sweet!

> I can't figure out how to get some Wikidata style data on to my local
> installation to see how it looks on a mobile though!
>
> If somebody could point me in the right direction, I'll do that and will
> set up a local tunnel to share the results (if any!).
>
> That should give me some information and I should be able to draft a rough
> proposal with the project needs!

I take it you talked to Denny on IRC and this is all solved now. Let
me know if not please.
Looking forward to reading your proposal.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Query about GSoC 2013

[Lydia Pintscher]

Hey Siddha :)

On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Siddha Ganju  wrote:
> Hi! This is Siddha, an open source enthusiast and I really want to work on
> the Mobilize Wikidata project for GSoC 2013. Having developed apps for the
> Windows Phone I believe has given me some experience in developing mobile
> UIs, which shall help me contribute for this project.

Great!

> The link for a mentor has not been provided. Could you please direct me to
> where I should start discussing for a solution for implementing a mobile
> view for Wikidata.
>
> I am really excited to help out, please let me know where to start.

Have you already looked at the other threads about this project on
this mailing list? Reading them is a good start. Let me know what
other questions you have after that.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoc2013] Interested in developing Entity Suggester

[Lydia Pintscher]

Hi Nilesh :)

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Nilesh Chakraborty  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am a 3rd year undergraduate student of computer science, pursuing my
> B.Tech degree at RCC Institute of Information Technology. I am proficient
> in Java, PHP and C#.
>
> Among the project ideas on the GSoC 2013 ideas page, the one particular
> idea that seemed really interesting to me is developing an Entity
> Suggester for Wikidata. I want to work on it.
>
> I am passionate about data mining, big data and recommendation engines,
> therefore this idea naturally appeals to me a lot. I have experience with
> building music and people recommendation systems, and have worked with
> Myrrix and Apache Mahout. I recently designed and implemented such a
> recommendation system and deployed it on a live production site, where I'm
> interning at, to recommend Facebook users to each other depending upon
> their interests.

This sounds excellent!

> The problem is, the documentation for Wikidata and the Wikibase extension
> seems pretty daunting to me since I have not ever configured a mediawiki
> instance or actually used it. (I am on my way to try it out following the
> instructions at
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013#Where_to_start.) I can
> easily build a recommendation system and create a web-service or REST based
> API through which the engine can be trained with existing data, and queried
> and all. This seems to be a collaborative filtering problem (people who
> bought x also bought y). It'll be easier if I could get some help about the
> part where/how I need to integrate it with Wikidata. Also, some sample
> datasets (csv files?) or schemas (just the column names and data types?)
> would help a lot, for me to figure this out.

It is important I think that you try to set up a system where you can
test what you're working on. If the documentation is not good enough
for you to get this running please let me know where you are stuck.
Then we need to improve the documentation there. That'll make it a lot
easier for others following you :)

I assume you have also already gotten yourself familiar with
wikidata.org, browsed around and made a few edits? That should help
you get a feeling for why the suggester is so important.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Data_model_primer is
also important to understand for this project.

Let me know if you have more questions or get stuck.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC idea : Mobilize Wikidata

[Lydia Pintscher]

Hi Yanna :)

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Yanna Wu  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My name is Yanna and I'm interested in this mobilizing Wikidata idea. I
> have read the thread about the topic and I agree with the idea that we can
> first use MobileFront to see the result. My suggestion regard to the

Awesome!

> data-editing feature is that we should remove the column of edit button and
> implement gestures recognition on each editable entry. The editing feature
> can be called upon certain gesture. Currently I can think of two solutions:
> 1. long press gesture. After a long press is detected, the edit or add menu
> should pop up, thus allowing the pressed entry to be modified. 2. Second
> tap detect. When the user first tap the entry, it becomes highlighted. If
> the highlighted entry is tapped again, then it turns to the state of being
> modified. So that's basically my suggestions, I'd like to hear about your
> opinions.

My personal preference is long press gesture but that is really just a
gut-feeling at this point.

> I have some experience with PhoneGap, using html/css to build native mobile
> apps. I also have experiences with mobile app development (specifically ios
> app), so I'm familiar with the mobile UI development. I think my experience
> will help a lot in mobilizing Wikidata. I'm planning to apply for the GSOC
> AND the Outreach Program for Women. I'm looking forward to some suggestions
> about what I could contribute.

Great. There are a lot of Wikidata coding tasks waiting for volunteers
here: 
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=need-volunteer%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&emailcc1=1&resolution=---&emailtype1=exact&emailassigned_to1=1&query_format=advanced&email1=wikidata-bugs%40lists.wikimedia.org&list_id=162515
 Maybe one of them is for you?


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:46 PM, Bartosz Dziewoński  wrote:
> In my experience the Wikidata team has been extremely professional and
> amazingly productive, both in the quality and quantity of their creations. I
> was honestly surprised that it's possible to get something Wikimedia-related
> done that quickly. Lydia and everyone - great job :)

Thank you :)

> I see no cowboy attitude here. As pointed out, this was already tested on
> multiple wikis, some only a little smaller than enwiki. While the software
> is not entirely complete yet, this seems mostly by design (phase III,
> anyone?). It certainly works, and it's certainly good enough for wider
> deployment. There are some important bugs to iron out
> (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44874 comes to mind), but
> they're not really blockers, and I think (and hope!) they're being worked
> on.

Yes. We're aware of things that are still missing and they're on the plan.

>> Wiki design 101 is that nobody gets sent to another page/website/etc to
>> edit content on the Wikipedia.  (Even clicking on an image that is held on
>> Commons takes people to a Wikipedia page for the image, and then gives
>> them
>> the choice to go to Commons.)
>
>
> But you do need to go to Commons to, say, upload a different version of it.
> Wiki editing 101 for you.
>
> And I think this was being worked on for language links, anyway. Lydia, is
> there a bug for that? ;)

Yes. There is https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40949 for
example which is for connecting an article that has no language links
yet for example and should go into production soon. (This one will not
take care of editing existing links yet.)


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Risker  wrote:
> It's disturbing that even at the same time as the engineering and
> operations departments are working so hard to professionalize their work,
> to bring themselves up to industry standards, to properly staff themselves
> with people who understand not just the technical side, but also the
> content side - that there remains this cowboy attitude toward applying
> poorly developed software onto huge sites knowing full well that the
> software create significant community disruption.  This isn't a little
> backwater website anymore, and it should never be the subject of a major
> test without the active engagement of those who are going to be the test
> subjects.
>
> Wiki design 101 is that nobody gets sent to another page/website/etc to
> edit content on the Wikipedia.  (Even clicking on an image that is held on
> Commons takes people to a Wikipedia page for the image, and then gives them
> the choice to go to Commons.)  This software is not ready for deployment;
> everyone here knows it.  This is now just pride taking the place of common
> sense. (And no, David, it's not bikeshedding.)
>
> Figure out why the content itself is being affected, instead of creating a
> new namespace that will hold all this data: wikidata, authority control
> data, H-cards, V-cards, and all the other miscellaneous stuff that has been
> applied to articles.
>
> This is not a technical problem to be solved.  It is at its core a
> philosophical matter to be grappled with, project by project.
>
> Learn some lessons from the folks down the hall in Fundraising - who have
> figured out how to fully fund all of these projects with the minimal amount
> of disruption to the content and the editorial process.  Figure out how to
> do that, and you'll have a winner.

I understand you're upset but please also understand the other side.
We've put a lot of work into making it possible for each Wikipedia to
decide how they want to make use of the data for example. The existing
system is built to exactly not disrupt anything that exists until the
local community decides to make changes. I understand that making this
decision is difficult in a large project as enwp but it's not like
we're replacing infoboxes that exist automatically for example. We've
from the beginning of the project started with letting people use
early stages of the project exactly because we needed the feedback to
shape the tool in a way that will serve Wikipedia - and we'd like this
at each step of the way because otherwise we're bound to build
something that is in one form or another not useful for you. We've
always started with test systems and smaller Wikipedias (Go them!) but
that only goes so far unfortunately.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Brad Jorsch  wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Risker  wrote:
>>
>> I do not think it is particularly obvious outside of our project the way
>> that Wikidata is being "weaponized" as the reason for attempting to force
>> changes in local consensus about infoboxes (their existence and content)
>> with respect to specific article categories or even individual articles.
>
> It's not obvious within the project either, at least for someone like
> me who hasn't been following the endless arguments over whether some
> WikiProject should be able to decide not to use infoboxes on "their"
> articles and whether they're ganging up to prevent any local consensus
> to use infoboxes on "their" articles, etc, etc, etc.
>
> Personally, I don't consider that people making spurious arguments
> based on the existence of wikidata is a problem with the planned
> wikidata phase 2 deployment.
>
>> nonetheless, when I've drilled down on several of the recent confrontations
>> about infoboxes, at their core it has been about making sure that there is an
>> infobox in existence and in a format that will be useable for Wikidata; it is
>> not about "improving" the article or making it more accessible to readers, or
>> even about internal consistency.
>
> Is the conflict about wikidata, or is wikidata just another excuse for
> one side to argue that infoboxes such as
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_classical_composer
> should be deleted (or never created) and the other to argue that they
> should be more widely used? Wikidata itself doesn't create a single
> infobox or add an infobox to any article, and there is no requirement
> for any infobox (or any instance of any particular infobox) to
> actually use the data from wikidata.

Thank you Brad!

For everyone: We have decided to delay the deployment to fix some
technical issues we are experiencing and to give editors some more
time to decide on initial groundrules. I'll let you know as soon as I
have more info on the new deployment date. Please please do make use
of the time until then. I am here to answer questions and all but I
can't lead this.
(I've also posted a note to the technical village pump.)


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Socializing changes

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On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Eran Rosenthal  wrote:
> In hewiki we had a discussion in village pump before phase II deployment
> and there is a simple bureaucratic policy for converting templates to use
> the new {{#property}} feature:
> a discussion in "Wikipedia:Village pump/templates" for each template
> conversion before actually adding {{#property}} for it.
> (this "village pump for templates" was already exist to eliminate adding
> unnecessary extra parameters that were added without discussion)
> This way we can check that each conversion is both technically ok, use the
> correct properties from wikidata, and doesn't add unnecessary parameters.
>
> We don't use yet the new features - as in the real world cases it isn't
> just {{#property}} and to enjoy the powerful features of wikidata we must
> use WikibaseClient Lua api,
> but we are in final phase of testing {{Taxobox}} (with no parameters at
> all. really cool!)

Thanks for sharing, Eran!
Please do let me know when {{Taxobox}} is finished. I'd love to see it in use.

> I would like to thank to Lydia and wikidata team - you are doing a great
> job.

Aww thank you. We're trying :)


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Socializing changes

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 5:28 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:
> Risker wrote:
>>Lydia, could you please point me to the discussion on *English Wikipedia*
>>where the community indicated an interest in deploying this software?
>>Infoboxes and sourcing to another website completely outside the control
>>of English Wikipedia is a rather big issue, and I would expect to see a
>>Request for Comment with at least 200-300 participants.
>
> I think the issue we're seeing here is that changes, particularly large
> changes, often aren't socialized well.
>
> It probably doesn't help to target the English Wikipedia first, of course,
> given that it's often annoyingly exceptional. Wikidata seems like a large
> enough change that I agree that a bit more socialization might be nice.
> There are over 700 wikis on which to possibly deploy Wikidata, in theory.

English Wikipedia isn't first. Phase 2 has already been deployed on 11
other Wikipedias. It's also not like this is coming out of no-where
really ;-)


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 1:00 AM, MZMcBride  wrote:
> Sorry, I don't know what this means. I thought Wikidata was already
> deployed to the English Wikipedia (and possibly other projects as well).

I've posted an announcement with more details on the technical village
pump at 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Wikidata_phase_2_is_coming_soon
Let me know if anything is still unclear so I can clarify.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Missing project ideas for GSOC

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Eugene Zelenko
 wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I think will be good idea to direct some of Google Summer of Code
> participants energy to help Wikidata which misses many must-be
> features. Some of them like support for projects other then Wikipedia
> is postponed to next years, but something tells me that it may be
> clone of existing functionality in most cases except one-to-multiple
> links in Wikisource :-)

Yes we have a few GSoC project ideas lined up. I will add the to the
wiki in a bit. Features are not postponed to next year but to the
second year of development which starts in a few days. Patience
please. Things will happen as fast as they can :)


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Re: [Wikitech-l] linking to wikidata pages

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Tuszynski, Jaroslaw W.
 wrote:
> Two separate users on Commons complained that interproject links from 
> Wikimedia Commons to Wikidata, like [[d:Q7186]] produce hyperlinks in form 
> "http://wikidata.org/wiki/Q35548"; or " http://en.wikidata.org/wiki/Q35548"; 
> which do not allow editing of wikidata. Only external link to 
> http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q35548 leads to editable page. See 
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jarekt#a_small_modification_to_.7B.7BCreator.7D.7D
>  and
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Creator#Wikidata_hyperlink .
>
> I cannot reproduce those problems, since all 3 types of links seems to lead 
> to editable pages for me. Did anybody on this list, know what might cause 
> issues for those users. One clue might be that both use "French" as their 
> native language.
>
> Any ideas?

It's a known problem, yes. The pages are editable but the edit doesn't
actually save. It's one of the main pain points we have atm. Fix
waiting for review and deployment by ops:
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/49069/
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45005


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Lua rollout to en.wikipedia.org and a few others

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Lydia Pintscher
 wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jens Ohlig  wrote:
>> It is in the works and I would love if you find the time to review it once 
>> it's up on Gerrit (which should happen this week).
>>
>> Lua scripting is indeed a big deal for us at Wikidata — structured data from 
>> Wikidata is available as JSON which can be thrown around and iterated over 
>> as Lua tables. This has the potential to unleash some niftyness in 
>> Wikidata-based Infobox templates.
>
> To expand on what Jens said: There'll be two main ways to include
> Wikidata's data in Wikipedia articles. For the simple ones there'll be
> a template-like syntax and for the more complex things Lua will be the
> way to get it. The syntax for the former is at
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Inclusion_syntax_v0.2

Sorry current version is at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Inclusion_syntax


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Lua rollout to en.wikipedia.org and a few others

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jens Ohlig  wrote:
> It is in the works and I would love if you find the time to review it once 
> it's up on Gerrit (which should happen this week).
>
> Lua scripting is indeed a big deal for us at Wikidata — structured data from 
> Wikidata is available as JSON which can be thrown around and iterated over as 
> Lua tables. This has the potential to unleash some niftyness in 
> Wikidata-based Infobox templates.

To expand on what Jens said: There'll be two main ways to include
Wikidata's data in Wikipedia articles. For the simple ones there'll be
a template-like syntax and for the more complex things Lua will be the
way to get it. The syntax for the former is at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Inclusion_syntax_v0.2


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Re: [Wikitech-l] deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

[Lydia Pintscher]

Heya :)

Third time's a charm, right? We're live on the English Wikipedia with
phase 1 now  \o/
Details are in this blog post:
http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/13/wikidata-live-on-the-english-wikipedia
An FAQ is being worked on at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Deployment_Questions
Thanks everyone who helped! I'm happy to answer questions at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical).
Please also let me know about any issues there.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

[Lydia Pintscher]

Hey,

There were unfortunately too many other issues unrelated to Wikidata
so we also had to call off this one. Sorry.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

[Lydia Pintscher]

2013/2/11 Lydia Pintscher :
> Heya :)
>
> We tried to deploy phase 1 on enwp today but ran into issues. We'll
> have to reschedule. Currently it looks like we'll do this on
> Wednesday.
> Sorry folks.

We'll do another attempt later today (probably around 17:00 UTC).


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Re: [Wikitech-l] deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

[Lydia Pintscher]

Heya :)

We tried to deploy phase 1 on enwp today but ran into issues. We'll
have to reschedule. Currently it looks like we'll do this on
Wednesday.
Sorry folks.


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[Wikitech-l] deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

[Lydia Pintscher]

Hey :)

Guillaume just reminded me that I have not yet posted this here but
only on the village pump and Signpost. Sorry. I'll fix that now with
this email.

Later today (evening UTC) we'll deploy the first phase of Wikidata on
the English language Wikipedia.  We've already deployed the first
phase on the Hungarian, Hebrew and Italian Wikipedias and things there
went rather smoothly. We hope this is the case here too.

What is going to happen exactly?
* Language links in the sidebar will come from Wikidata if they exist there.
* Existing language links in the wiki text will continue to work and
overwrite links from Wikidata.
* For individual articles language links from Wikidata can be
supressed completely with the noexternallanglinks magic word.
* Changes on Wikidata that relate to articles on this Wikipedia will
show up in Recent Changes if the option is enabled by the user
* At the bottom of the language links list you will see a link to edit
the language links that leads you to the corresponding page on
Wikidata.
* You can see an example of how it works at
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie
* The second phase of Wikidata (which is about Infoboxes was started
on Wikidata but can't yet be used on any Wikipedia. This will follow
later.

Please let me know if you have any questions.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Welcoming Runa Bhattacharjee

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Alolita Sharma  wrote:
> Welcome Runa! I am excited to have you on the language engineering team!

Woh! Welcome Runa. I was already wondering where you'd go after
leaving RH. This is fantastic news.


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[Wikitech-l] talk about MediaWiki groups in Berlin

[Lydia Pintscher]

Heya :)

On the 4th of February Quim will be at the Wikimedia Germany office to
introduce MediaWiki groups. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Groups
for more info about the groups.

We'll meet at 18:30 in the office in Obentrautstr. 72, Berlin. Quim
will talk and answer questions for about 1 hour and then we'll move on
to Brauhaus Lemke for some food and drinks.

If you're going to attend please let me know soon so I can plan
better. I'd also be delighted if you could forward it to other people
who might be interested. I hope to see many of you there.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Google Summer of Code 2013

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Sébastien Santoro
 wrote:
> I concur and offer to document that. Something like this text could be
> used in this purpose.
>
> == Tips ==
> === Push to Gerrit to show your code. In code review we trust. ===
>
> MediaWiki uses a continuous integration model. Code is first
> peer-reviewed: other developers provide feedback about your code,
> approve it or recommend improvements. Jenkins tests run too, to ensure
> your code doesn't break anything. When your change is ready, it's
> merged in the master branch of our code repository.
>
> Follow this workflow. Push your code to Gerrit when you want to show
> it. Add your mentor as reviewer. Others will join the conversation on
> a regular basis. You'll learn a lot from the others reviewers'
> feedback.
>
> And the greatest bonus? Your code will be merged on a continuous
> basis. You will directly be able to see your code live and in
> production. This is what we're calling the continuous integration.

A few GSoC admins (including me) wrote these some time ago:
* 
http://google-opensource.blogspot.de/2011/03/dos-and-donts-of-google-summer-of-code.html
* 
http://google-opensource.blogspot.de/2011/04/dos-and-donts-of-google-summer-of-code.html
* 
http://google-opensource.blogspot.de/2011/04/dos-and-donts-of-google-summer-of-code_21.html


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Re: [Wikitech-l] "Nobody" & "Wikidata bugs": notify when you start working on a bug

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Quim Gil  wrote:
> Ok, so this discussion can be summarized this way:
>
> If assigning a bug to the developer that is working on it takes less than 5
> extra seconds, please do it.
>
> If it takes more than 5 extra seconds, don't bother.
>
> Deal?  :)

Deal ;-)

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Re: [Wikitech-l] "Nobody" & "Wikidata bugs": notify when you start working on a bug

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Quim Gil  wrote:
> Then those ASSIGNED bugs are not really assigned. By setting as ASSIGNED
> nobody else will attempt to fix them, but then again perhaps nobod is
> working on them and nobody will actally have the time to work on them on the
> current sprint, being postponed when perhaps someone else would have taken
> them.

Yes the whole point of that exercise is among other things to make
sure no-one else takes them. There are a lot of bugs that people can
work on if they wish. There are even over 50 of them marked as
need-volunteer explicitly.

> A more accurate approach would be to set those bugs to "Highest" priority in
> order to identify them for the current sprint. This is less than "Immediate"
> (something requiring immediate action) and more than "High" (something
> important, perhaps for the next sprint).

See above.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] "Nobody" & "Wikidata bugs": notify when you start working on a bug

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Quim Gil  wrote:
> Hi, thanks to the metrics reports now we know that the top bug fixers in
> November were Nobody (228) and Wikidata bugs (83)... followed by Michael
> Dale (28), Roan Kattouw (23), etc.
>
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_metrics/November_2012#People
>
> Even if the visible problem is a less accurate Bugzilla hall of fame, the
> actual problem is that a big bunch of developers don't notify when they are
> taking a bug. This decreases transparency and increases the chances of
> duplicated work.
>
> This wouldn't be a big deal if it wouldn't happen to 55% of the bugs
> resolved as FIXED last month. In practice this means that you can't be
> really sure that a NEW bug is being fixed by someone while you are looking
> at it.
>
> Can we solve this? Actual and potential contributors will be happier, and
> probably you as well. At the end we are talking about the practice of a
> small, very active group of (probably full time employed) developers. The
> solution is simply to click "take" and "assigned" when you start working
> with a bug.
>
> See this report of November:  http://bit.ly/TJZLWU
>
> "Wikidata bugs" is focused in 5 components: WikidataRepo, WikidataClient,
> ContentHandler, Wikidata, OAI.
>
> "Nobody" is all over but these are the top 10 components that could start
> fixing their practices:
>
> * Semantic MediaWiki 23
> * Wikimedia & MediaWiki General/Unknown 20
> * Wikimedia Site requests 17
> * MobileFrontend (Beta) 12
> * MediaWiki Interface 10
> * UploadWizard 10
> * MobileFrontend 9
> * MediaWiki Internationalization 8
> * Wikimedia Bugzilla 8
> * ArticleFeedbackv5 8
>
> There's hope to see progress in the next Metrics report.  :)

For Wikidata at least we do set bugs to ASSIGNED most of the time. But
we do leave the assignee set to the mailing list. If there is a strong
preference to also change the assignee I can bring it up in the team.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Research on newcomer experience - do we want to take part?

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On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Marcin Cieslak  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Kevin Carillo[1] from University of Wellington is going to research
> "Newcomer experience and contributor behavior in FOSS communities[2]
> So far Debian, GNOME, Gentoo, KDE, Mozilla, Ubuntu, NetBSD, OpenSUSE
> will be taken into account, and FreeBSD recently joined[3] and
> there is still some possibility for other large FOSS projects to join.
>
> I think it could fit nicely into our recent efforts directed
> at newcomer experience after Git migration. And MediaWiki is
> a bit different than above projects.
>
> Are we interested
> to include MediaWiki in that research?
>
> As Kevin explains in his post he tried to avoid spamming mailing
> lists to look for project interested, so I am doing this for him :-)
>
> //Saper

I've worked with Kevin in preparation for his survey and later
promotion from the KDE-side quite a bit. This is not the kind of
research project that is of no value to the project taking part. I
expect the results to be very useful for KDE (and likely also the
other projects taking part).


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Re: [Wikitech-l] whether to do Google Code-In

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Strainu  wrote:
> I mentored for openSUSE last year and we had some translation tasks,
> so they should be OK if rules haven't changed.

The rules changed. Translation tasks are not allowed because there was
basically too much cheating last time with people just using Google
Translate.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] whether to do Google Code-In

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Platonides  wrote:
> An issue I haven't clarified is the size of each task. There's a mention
> on how tasks have deadlines attached, but not what's the normal deadline
> for each task.
> A certificate for one task and a T-shirt for three tasks make it look
> like they would be “big”, even though my first impression was that they
> would be small. Also, we must have enough tasks for during 1.5 months. I
> don't know how many people would sign up for our tasks, but we shouldn't
> get out of tasks in the first week (or we may, and finish the mentors
> labour...). We can always reuse tasks in some hackaton, if they were too
> much. My concern is in making up many tasks.

The tasks should take a "normal" contributor of the project about 2
hours. The kids can of course take more than that. It's not a hard
rule but a guideline to give you some idea of what Google would like
to see.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata review status

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Strainu  wrote:
> Hi Denny,
>
> What is the preferred feedback channel? I left some comments on the
> talk page [1].

The talk page is fine. Thanks for your feedback.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Andre Klapper starts 8 October as WMF Bug Wrangler

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Sumana Harihareswara
 wrote:
> I am delighted to announce that October 8th will be Andre Klapper's
> first day as Wikimedia Foundation's Bug Wrangler. [0]
>
> You've seen him on IRC as "andre__" and on mediawiki.org as Malyacko,
> and sadly that's mostly how I'll be seeing him since he lives in the
> Czech Republic.  He speaks German, English, French, and Czech, and can
> kinda read Russian.  You might have met him at the 2012 Berlin hackathon.
>
> Andre got into open source because he switched to Linux, had a support
> question about GNOME Evolution, and got sucked into bug triage from
> there.  You can read more about that in his essay "Kick, Push" in Open
> Advice .  He's an editor of German- and
> English-language Wikimedia projects, and has already started commenting
> on and nudging bugs in our Bugzilla.
>
> I know Andre through the GNOME community, where he is Bugzilla
> maintainer and bugsquad member, member of the Release Team, member of
> the Translation Project Coordination team, member of the Czech GNOME
> translation teams, and author & maintainer of the GNOME Evolution user
> documentation. And he organized and ran GNOME's part in Google Code-In
> 2010/11 and 2011/12, so he might have opinions on whether Wikimedia
> should participate this year.
>
> Remember Maemo? [1] Andre worked as bugmaster on Maemo and MeeGo as well.
>
> I am thoroughly pleased that we were able to snag Andre for ourselves,
> and think his abilities and experience make him a great addition to
> WMF's Engineering Community Team and to Wikimedia.  Welcome!
>
>
> [0] In case you're new and wondering what a bug wrangler does:
> http://tieguy.org/talks-files/LCA-2005-paper-html/index.html .  In case
> you're an old-timer: this is the same job Mark Hershberger did as
> "Bugmeister" and I changed the title to something less gendered.
>
> [1] Last year at the GSoC mentor summit, Andre and I were sitting next
> to each other in a session, both got out our N900s to take notes, and
> started laughing.  It's like the Newton of our time.

Woho! Great to have you on board, Andre. Seems our ways are
crossing a lot lately ;-)


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Evaluating Google Summer of Code

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 3:07 AM, MZMcBride  wrote:
>> Furthermore, considering GSoC solely in terms of benefit to
>> Mediawiki/Wikipedia is short-sighted.  Take a look at the organizations
>> participating:
>> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2012 .  What
>> would your opinion be if WMF were not on that list?
>
> Personally, I don't care very much about being a participant for the sake of
> being a participant (and I imagine many others feel similarly). I think for
> a lot of people who watch these Summer of Code projects, it _is_ about
> benefit to MediaWiki/Wikimedia, particularly as getting involved in these
> projects can detract from already painfully finite mentoring and reviewing
> resources.

I think you touch the most important point here. I'm one of the main
people who manage GSoC for KDE. KDE is the biggest org taking part in
GSoC this year in terms of number of students mentored. In addition we
are running our own program (Season of KDE) next to it. So in total
I'd say we've mentored about 100 students through these programs this
year alone. We didn't get there by accident. You know what the main
benefit of GSoC is in my opinion? Getting an organisation into the
mindset of mentoring - into the mindset of "yes we need to train new
people because they can do awesome things even if they screw up
sometimes on the way there".


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Appreciation thread

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Sumana Harihareswara
 wrote:
> I'd like to give a shout-out to some people who made my day better:
>
> + Brian Wolff (bawolff), for thoughtful commentary on code and on our
> social infrastructure
> + Lydia Pintscher, for diligent, thoughtful and cheerful shepherding of
> Wikidata conversation
> + Daniel Zahn, for adding Bugzilla tracking to
> http://status.wikimedia.org/8777/263658/Bugzilla
>
> How about a little email thread for us to say nice things about each
> other?  Rules: be kind, thank someone, and say why you're thanking them.
>
> [If you don't get thanked and you feel mopey, email me and I'll comfort
> you. :-)]

Awww. Thank you!
Ok so here's my list:
+ the whole i18n/l10n team for hitting us on the head gently (!) when
we're doing it wrong and always being there to give advice when needed
+ Sumana for GSoC work (there are 1000 other things but I have to pick
_something_) because I know how hard and important this is from
experience ;-)


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: FOSDEM calls for devroom organizers and main track speakers

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Arthur Richards
 wrote:
> It would be awesome if we could put together a devroom at FOSDEM.

Agreed. If is going to do it I'd love to be involved. I've helped with
the cross-desktop dev rooms in previous years.

> Over the last couple of years, FOSDEM has become my favorite
> conference. The ethos of the conference is fantastic - totally
> grassroots, transparent, and open. It draws an unbelievable crowd. The
> technical breadth and depth of the talks is generally impressive. And
> the Wikimedia/Mediawiki-related talks pack the rooms - at least they
> did the last couple of years. We should have a much bigger presence at
> this event - from my perspective, it seems like it is a fantastic
> learning, community building, and recruiting opportunity - perhaps
> even more so than most of the other conferences at which we have a
> presence.
>
> If folks think this would be something cool to do, it might also be
> worth teaming with some other similarly-minded orgs with some overlap
> - like Mozilla, Creative Commons, OLPC, CiviCRM, etc. From the
> invitation for proposals, it sounds like this would increase our odds
> at securing a devroom, it would certainly help us further
> cross-pollinate, and ultimately strengthen the broader open source
> community.

Mozilla had their own room in previous years. In general teaming up
with other like-minded projects does increase the chances.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] About outreach and tech events (as suggested by Sumana!)

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 2:43 PM, bawolff  wrote:
> Well it just seems that often outreach focuses on people outside the
> Wikimedia community, well ignoring people already in the Wikimedia
> community. In my opinions we're much more likely to get someone who
> truley cares about MediaWiki if they use it every day (Like
> Wikimedians do). Case in point, the Wikidata folks set up a page
> asking for volunteers to help [1]. I have no idea in what venue they
> advertised this in, but presumably somewhere meta-ish. 20 people
> listed their name on this request for volunteers under the willing to
> code section. Of those 20, only 3 of them are even remotely involved
> in MediaWiki development as far as I can tell.
>
> It seems like outreach sometimes concentrates on hard targets (people
> who aren't involved) and ignoring the easy targets.
>
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Volunteers

Hi :)

We advertise that page on meta:Wikidata and wikidata-l. I think I also
mentioned it a few times on @wikidata on identi.ca and Twitter. It
likely reached people who are not necessarily close to MediaWiki
simply because Wikidata reaches quite a few people who are not close
to MediaWiki. I didn't reach out to any group in particular for this.
Hope that info helps.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment of Wikidata

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Bináris  wrote:
> Result: after some explanations we have 26 supporters in addition to 3
> initiators/starters, and no opposers. (22 of them in the first 24 hours.)
> As I wrote earlier, this is an enthusiastic community. So huwiki is looking
> forward to test Wikidata. :-) Let's do it!

That is really great news. Thank you! I'll keep you posted as soon as
we have more news about the next steps and dates.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata blockers

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Lydia Pintscher
 wrote:
> I'd like to add one thing: It'd be awesome if Jens Ohlig could get
> enough gerrit karma to be able to push tags. This way he could create
> a tag whenever he updates the demo system and it'd be easy to see for
> people which patches are live on the current demo system and which are
> not yet.

Jeroen just told me that we can do this ourselves after all and gave
Jens the necessary rights. Please ignore.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata blockers

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Jeroen De Dauw  wrote:
> Hey,
>
> After discussion with Robla and DanielK, we (the Wikidata team) decided to
> write mails to this list now and then complain about our blockers for which
> we need WMF (or other core dev) assistance :)
>
> Right now we have three patches to core awaiting review:
>
> * https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/14084/
>
> Simple patch, which as far as I can tell is ready to go in. Development of
> core parts of our phase one functionality is blocked by this, and not
> having this merged is causing hassle for people that want to setup their
> own working Wikidata repo-client install.
>
> * https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/14295/
>
> More complex patch, but has no effect on existing code in core yet, so can
> be merged in without much risk. It's less urgent then the first patch,
> although it just sitting there is causing overhead in regard to further
> developing this code, and is preventing us from starting to work on
> updating core code to make use of this rewrite.
>
> * The Wikidata core branch with ContentHandler stuff
>
> DanielK needs to chime in here, as I was unable to find anything sitting on
> gerrit waiting for review. In any case, my understanding is that we still
> need to get quite a bit merged in, doing this step by step, so obviously we
> can only get to the next one when the current one got merged.

I'd like to add one thing: It'd be awesome if Jens Ohlig could get
enough gerrit karma to be able to push tags. This way he could create
a tag whenever he updates the demo system and it'd be easy to see for
people which patches are live on the current demo system and which are
not yet.


Cheers
Lydia

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment of Wikidata

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Scott MacLeod  wrote:
> Wikidatans,
>
> Is there a possibility that we could also include German as a third
> language here for deployment testing?
>
> Not only are many Wikipedians on this list familiar with the German
> Wikipedia and are German speakers (for a sizable development
> community) but in beginning to develop World University and School's
> (like Wikipedia with MIT OCW) second language (WUaS is planning for
> all 3,000-8,000 languages and an universal translator -
> http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/WUaS_Universal_Translator -
> building on Google Translate +), I know German, and German open
> educational resources will be significantly sizable in a way I can
> read, and eventually aggregate.
>
> Is this already happening, in addition to Hungarian (I'm fairly new on
> this email list)?
>
> World University and School is also interested in integrating, in this
> early phase, WUaS's wiki development with Wikipedias in its deployment
> on Wikidata, if at all possible.

Pending the requests for comments on huwp we will go with them as a
first step. After that other Wikipedias will follow as lined out on
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Deployment
WhichWikipedias those will be isn't decided yet. If dewp will be next
among other things heavily depends on if they want to be next ;-)  So
far I have not heard anything in that direction.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment of Wikidata

[Lydia Pintscher]

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Bináris  wrote:
> 2012/7/10 Denny Vrandečić 
>
>>
>> * Step 2: deploy the Wikidata client extension on one language edition
>> of Wikipedia for testing (Q: How to select it?)
>>
> I suggest the Hungarian Wikipedia as a medium-sized wiki with enthusiastic
> contributors. You may find me and Tgr at Wikimania to speak about details

Hi!

Just to keep everyone updated: We have discussed this here at
Wikimania together with a few of the admins of the Hungarian
Wikipedia. Things are looking good and the next step is to take this
to the Hungarian Wikipedia to figure out if the community is ok with
this and then go for it if approved.


Cheers
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Re: [Wikitech-l] first Wikidata office hour on IRC

[Lydia Pintscher]

Hey :)

just a quick reminder that the english one will be in about 23 hours.


Cheers
Lydia


On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Lydia Pintscher
 wrote:
> Hi everyone!
>
> Next week the Wikidata team will be complete and start working at full
> speed. Finally! \o/  I will be holding the first round of Wikidata
> office hours next week. You're all invited to ask questions and
> discuss. If you can't attend there will be logs.
>
> * 4. April, German, in #wikimedia-wikidata on freenode, 4:30pm UTC
> (see 
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Wikidata+Office+Hour&iso=20120404T1630
> for different time zones)
> * 5. April, English, in #wikimedia-wikidata on freenode, 4:30pm UTC
> (see 
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Wikidata+Office+Hour&iso=20120405T1630
> for different time zones)
>
> I plan to offer these regularly. My (virtual) door is open outside
> these office hours as well of course ;-)
>
>
> Cheers
> Lydia
>
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata


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[Wikitech-l] first Wikidata office hour on IRC

[Lydia Pintscher]

Hi everyone!

Next week the Wikidata team will be complete and start working at full
speed. Finally! \o/  I will be holding the first round of Wikidata
office hours next week. You're all invited to ask questions and
discuss. If you can't attend there will be logs.

* 4. April, German, in #wikimedia-wikidata on freenode, 4:30pm UTC
(see 
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Wikidata+Office+Hour&iso=20120404T1630
for different time zones)
* 5. April, English, in #wikimedia-wikidata on freenode, 4:30pm UTC
(see 
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Wikidata+Office+Hour&iso=20120405T1630
for different time zones)

I plan to offer these regularly. My (virtual) door is open outside
these office hours as well of course ;-)


Cheers
Lydia


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[Wikitech-l] introduction (community communications for Wikidata)

[Lydia Pintscher]

Hi everyone!

I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. I'm Lydia and just
started working for Wikimedia Germany. Some of you might know me from
my work in Free Software projects.

I'll be a part of the team working on Wikidata
(http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata) - the goal of the project is
to create something similar to Wiki Commons for data). It's a huge
undertaking for the German and global community. Wikidata is a project
I am passionate about and I am even more passionate about doing it
right. Doing it right in this case obviously means making sure
everyone's input is heard and taken into consideration. My
responsibility will be exactly that - working with all of you to make
it a successful project. A lot of things concerning how, when and
where this will be used in Wikipedia are still up for discussion and
decisions need to be found in the community. I will be here to
facilitate this.

I assume many of you have not heard from me before so let me tell you
a bit about myself. I studied computer science at the Karlsruhe
Institute of Technology. There I worked on a program to plan
robot-assisted laser surgeries on human skulls and wrote my diploma
thesis on collaborative and transparent Free Software development. I'm
passionate about enabling people to make awesome happen around Free
Culture. I've spent most of my spare time in the last 7 years on
community work in KDE (http://kde.org). This includes running its
mentoring programs, co-founding its community working group, serving
on the board of the non-profit behind it and generally making sure
everything is running smoothly. I've also helped out other projects
occasionally like Kubuntu, VLC/VideoLan and openSUSE in that position.
Not long ago I released a free book called Open Advice
(http://open-advice.org) that is a collaborative effort to make it
easier for people to start contributing to Free Software. You probably
know 4 of the authors from around Wikipedia. When it comes to
MediaWiki I have done developer engagement for Semantic MediaWiki Plus
for the last two years and am on the steering committee of the
non-profit behind Semantic MediaWiki. Due to my day only having 24
hours (even if some people claim otherwise) I have not had a chance to
get into contributing to Wikipedia. Thankfully that's going to change
now. (As a very regular user: Thank you!)

For the next days/weeks my focus will be:
* collecting ideas/doubts/other input for Wikidata that you already
have for me now (I'll work through any existing discussions I can find
- if you want to make sure I see something please do send me a link.)
* creating some resources to explain the project better
* setting up some infrastructure to keep everyone updated on the
status and able to contribute
* work on collecting input in a structured manner and addressing it together

If you have any questions please let me know. I'll be around on the
English and German Wikipedia, IRC, XMPP, Skype or whatever else you
prefer ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lydia_Pintscher_(WMDE) ).
You can subscribe to the Wikidata mailing list at
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l and join the
IRC channel #wikimedia-wikidata on freenode.


Cheers
Lydia, who is really looking forward to working with you

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