[Wikitech-l] Disambiguation while editing
In the edit box, when I type [[John Doe]], I want some chance to verify that I'm linking to the right article, whether it is a disambiguation page, or by seeing the first sentence from that article. I know I can "preview" my edit and click that link to see the page (or ctrl-click to make it appear in a new tab), but that method just seems sooo 2002. Is there some tool, button or gadget that does this trick? Perhaps some greasemonkey script? What it would do: From where the cursor stands in the edit box, search backwards for a "[[" and then forwards to the following "|" or "]]" which ever comes first (this covers the case that the cursor is inside the link brackets). Look up that article, show the first paragraph or 150 characters in a pop-up. If I click a link in the pop-up (a top link, or a disambig page), replace the link in the edit box so it points to that article. -- Lars Aronsson (l...@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguation while editing
On 10/1/09, Lars Aronsson wrote: > What it would do: From where the cursor stands in the edit box, > search backwards for a "[[" and then forwards to the following "|" > or "]]" which ever comes first (this covers the case that the > cursor is inside the link brackets). Look up that article, show > the first paragraph or 150 characters in a pop-up. If I click a > link in the pop-up (a top link, or a disambig page), replace the > link in the edit box so it points to that article. Sounds very well described. Would be useful to a lot of people, so if it gets developed, maybe it should be deployed in the sitewide javascript? Steve ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguation while editing
On 9/30/09 3:37 PM, Lars Aronsson wrote: > What it would do: From where the cursor stands in the edit box, > search backwards for a "[[" and then forwards to the following "|" > or "]]" which ever comes first (this covers the case that the > cursor is inside the link brackets). Look up that article, show > the first paragraph or 150 characters in a pop-up. If I click a > link in the pop-up (a top link, or a disambig page), replace the > link in the edit box so it points to that article. I'm pretty sure the usability kids have something to this effect up their sleeves, hiding somewhere. -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguation while editing
On 10/1/09, Brion Vibber wrote: > I'm pretty sure the usability kids have something to this effect up > their sleeves, hiding somewhere. Heh, I was wondering if this would start to become the new meme. "We don't need to fix that gui, the usability team will take care of it!" You're probably right, of course. I wonder what the best way to double check these assumptions is. Steve ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguation while editing
2009/10/1 Lars Aronsson > > In the edit box, when I type [[John Doe]], I want some chance to > verify that I'm linking to the right article, whether it is a > disambiguation page, or by seeing the first sentence from that > article. I know I can "preview" my edit and click that link to > see the page (or ctrl-click to make it appear in a new tab), but > that method just seems sooo 2002. > > Is there some tool, button or gadget that does this trick? Perhaps > some greasemonkey script? > > What it would do: From where the cursor stands in the edit box, > search backwards for a "[[" and then forwards to the following "|" > or "]]" which ever comes first (this covers the case that the > cursor is inside the link brackets). Look up that article, show > the first paragraph or 150 characters in a pop-up. If I click a > link in the pop-up (a top link, or a disambig page), replace the > link in the edit box so it points to that article. > The Navigation popups[1] has partially a functionality that does these: if you select a link in the edit box it will display the first part of the article in a popup; after saving if you hover over a disambig or redirect link, you can choose to fix it with one click. I don't think it is possible with it to do this fixing right from the edit box. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation_popups Best regards, Bence Damokos ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguation while editing
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Lars Aronsson wrote: > > In the edit box, when I type [[John Doe]], I want some chance to > verify that I'm linking to the right article, Humm? I don't know the wikipedia, but on other wikis is like that: Fire and forget. You link [[Mr John Doe]]. Once is published you notice is not a link, so you click, and make a redirection from [[Mr. John Doe]] to the existing article [[Doc. John Doe]]. You can also make links that don't exist. Like in "english expression '[[a pocket full of horses]]'", you don't need to link to articles that exist. On a wiki (I don't know wikipedia) you don't have to post correct or complete stuff. And having unpopulated links is a invitation to others to create more articles or redirections. I know Wikipedia has always been a strange wiki, so maybe thats not how it works. I hate wikipedia a bit. Also, the creation of a redirection from [[Doc John Doe]] and [[John Doe]] to [[Dr John Doe]] is content. Maybe a dude could be googling "Doc John" and find the redirection one. Is a happy "error" that these redirections are created. -- -- ℱin del ℳensaje. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguation while editing
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Tei wrote: > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Lars Aronsson wrote: >> >> In the edit box, when I type [[John Doe]], I want some chance to >> verify that I'm linking to the right article, > > Humm? > > I don't know the wikipedia, but on other wikis is like that: (snip) The issue was about disambiguations, that is, the case where one term has two meanings. [[John Doe]] may lead you to an article about another person than you intended to, but with the same name. Or to a page only specifying that there are several people by that name, and giving you links to the various articles. -- André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguation while editing
2009/10/1 Brion Vibber : > I'm pretty sure the usability kids have something to this effect up > their sleeves, hiding somewhere. > Sort of. We have a link insertion dialog that shows title suggestions and page existence status as you type in our Babaco release, which should be deployed very soon, and we have ideas about adding a link preview to that dialog. We originally envisaged "link preview" to mean a preview of what the actual link looks like, but having a preview of the linked-to page, if it exists, sounds like an interesting idea. I've forwarded the original post to the rest of our team, and I'll point them to the rest of this thread as well. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguation while editing
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Roan Kattouw wrote: > 2009/10/1 Brion Vibber : >> I'm pretty sure the usability kids have something to this effect up >> their sleeves, hiding somewhere. >> > Sort of. We have a link insertion dialog that shows title suggestions > and page existence status as you type in our Babaco release, which > should be deployed very soon, and we have ideas about adding a link > preview to that dialog. We originally envisaged "link preview" to mean > a preview of what the actual link looks like, but having a preview of > the linked-to page, if it exists, sounds like an interesting idea. > I've forwarded the original post to the rest of our team, and I'll > point them to the rest of this thread as well. Meanwhile, I wrote a simple JS that tells you when the cursor (in edit mode) is within a "red link", or if it's a disambiguation page, it offers "replace-links" to click on. That should answer the problem of the OP. Could do redirects as well, but didn't want to overload it... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/linkfixr.js Cheers, Magnus ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguation while editing
On 10/1/09, Magnus Manske wrote: > Meanwhile, I wrote a simple JS that tells you when the cursor (in edit > mode) is within a "red link", or if it's a disambiguation page, it > offers "replace-links" to click on. That should answer the problem of > the OP. Could do redirects as well, but didn't want to overload it... IMHO, you should "overload" it. You write lots of brilliant little tools that do distinct jobs. You should combine them into big chunks of really useful functionality, the "Magnus toolbelt" or something. Then more people would come across more of these features and demand that they be integrated into MediaWiki... Steve ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguation while editing
Lars Aronsson wrote: > In the edit box, when I type [[John Doe]], I want some chance to > verify that I'm linking to the right article, whether it is a > disambiguation page, or by seeing the first sentence from that > article. I know I can "preview" my edit and click that link to > see the page (or ctrl-click to make it appear in a new tab), but > that method just seems sooo 2002. Bug 8339: show them with a different color so you can spot them directly at preview. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8339 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Disambiguation while editing
On 9/30/09 7:30 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > On 10/1/09, Brion Vibber wrote: >> I'm pretty sure the usability kids have something to this effect up >> their sleeves, hiding somewhere. > > Heh, I was wondering if this would start to become the new meme. "We > don't need to fix that gui, the usability team will take care of it!" Oh things need fixin' all right. :) Just want to make sure that efforts are combined, not duplicated. -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
