Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[Helder .]

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:19 PM, phoebe ayers  wrote:
> p.s. re: babel, my absolute favorite use is on Wikidata, where you can
> add babel templates to your userpage and then get the appropriate
> fields to add stuff in that language :) I love showing that to people
> who are getting started on Wikidata.

Will that still work if a user moves his babel config to his global
user page on Meta-wiki, considering that the categorization will not
work on Wikidata?
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90398

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[Helder .]

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Gerard Meijssen
 wrote:
> Hoi,
> Babel templates are replaced by the #Babel functionality... The only
> problem I have with the Babel functionality on Meta is that they decided to
> have everything in Green..
>
> However check it out on my profile.
> Thanks,
>  GerardM

There is one problem, though: the babel categorization does not work.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90398

Best regards,
Helder

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[MZMcBride]

Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada wrote:
>I edited/added images and managed bots (generating edit rankings and
>other) in many Wikipedias. I didn't spammed anything, just had to create
>the redirect userpages years ago because MediaWiki didn't offered
>anything better.

Indeed. I briefly looked at
 and places
where there are three edits seem to be creating a soft redirect template,
soft-redirecting your user page, and soft-redirecting your user talk page.

>If you don't know about the case, shut up.

I know a bit! :-)  We should not be antagonizing each other. I really
respect and appreciate the work that you do across Wikimedia. Spam is a
pretty loaded term and it was in poor form to use it here. I apologize.

Certain users are in a funky situation currently where, using a bot or
browser tabs, they've created dozens or hundreds of user pages that now
preempt a global user page. We definitely considered this scenario, but
ultimately this practice of creating many local user pages was never
considered supported. It was tolerated because of the lack of global user
pages and now we face a reconciliation with past acts. (Or not...
retaining local user pages doesn't really harm much.) If you or anyone
else wants help getting rid of these local user pages, there are
volunteers at Meta-Wiki who would be happy to offer assistance.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

2015-02-21 16:21 GMT+01:00 MZMcBride :

> Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada wrote:
> >It seems so. In my case, I created years ago a lot of redirects to my
> >English userpage from many Wikipedia languages, and now I have to request
> >the deletion for all them. Not very useful.
>
> "Not very useful" is a slightly rude comment to make, in my opinion. You
> specifically and intentionally created local user pages on various
> Wikipedias. I imagine you and others would be rightfully upset if
> someone came along and simply overwrote your local user pages with a
> global user page without your knowledge or consent.
>
> >Can we get a special bot task in meta to request userpage deletion in
> >batches?
>
> There's discussion on Meta-Wiki about Synchbot deleting local user pages
> on a per-user, opt-in basis. I'm personally of the view that users seeking
> to un-spam the dozens or hundreds of wikis where they have created a local
> user page and done nothing more ought to clean up the "mess" themselves.
>
>
I edited/added images and managed bots (generating edit rankings and other)
in many Wikipedias. I didn't spammed anything, just had to create the
redirect userpages years ago because MediaWiki didn't offered anything
better.

If you don't know about the case, shut up.


> Instead of deletion, blanking the user page might be a neat way of
> triggering the global user page to re-appear (a version of pure wiki
> deletion). Though, of course, some users might want a 0-byte user page.
>
> MZMcBride
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[Isarra Yos]

On 21/02/15 15:21, MZMcBride wrote:

Instead of deletion, blanking the user page might be a neat way of
triggering the global user page to re-appear (a version of pure wiki
deletion). Though, of course, some users might want a 0-byte user page.


With interface messages, setting the content to '-' is commonly used 
instead of deletion in order to reset the content to default, since that 
way the history is preserved even with blank messages. Having similar 
functionality might be useful here.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[MZMcBride]

Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada wrote:
>It seems so. In my case, I created years ago a lot of redirects to my
>English userpage from many Wikipedia languages, and now I have to request
>the deletion for all them. Not very useful.

"Not very useful" is a slightly rude comment to make, in my opinion. You
specifically and intentionally created local user pages on various
Wikipedias. I imagine you and others would be rightfully upset if
someone came along and simply overwrote your local user pages with a
global user page without your knowledge or consent.

>Can we get a special bot task in meta to request userpage deletion in
>batches?

There's discussion on Meta-Wiki about Synchbot deleting local user pages
on a per-user, opt-in basis. I'm personally of the view that users seeking
to un-spam the dozens or hundreds of wikis where they have created a local
user page and done nothing more ought to clean up the "mess" themselves.

Instead of deletion, blanking the user page might be a neat way of
triggering the global user page to re-appear (a version of pure wiki
deletion). Though, of course, some users might want a 0-byte user page.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[Daniel Kinzler]

Am 21.02.2015 um 13:14 schrieb Marielle Volz:
> That's what I was going to do originally, but then I looked at my profile
> picture on en wiki[1] I saw this message:
> 
> "Do not copy this file to Wikimedia Commons.
> 
> While the license of this image or media file, uploaded and used on (a)
> Wikipedia contributor(s) user page(s), may be compliant with Commons, its
> usefulness to other projects is unlikely. It should not be copied to
> Commons unless a specific other usage is anticipated."
> 
> I took that to mean that profile pictures in general were discouraged from
> being placed in commons. If that's the case, then it makes sense for
> profiles on meta to have the same policy.

I would say profile pictures are useful on commons if used on a global user
page. The idea behind the message you saw is that pictures that are only going
to be used on your local profile shouldn't be on commons. If you are going to
use your profile picture on a lot of wikis or, now, on a global user page, then
that's a perfectly good reason to put them on commons.

I haven't been a common admin for years, but I suppose the guidelines there
still allow this.

-- daniel


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[Erwin Dokter]

On 21-02-2015 13:14, Marielle Volz wrote:

That's what I was going to do originally, but then I looked at my profile
picture on en wiki[1] I saw this message:

"Do not copy this file to Wikimedia Commons.
[...]"

I took that to mean that profile pictures in general were discouraged from
being placed in commons. If that's the case, then it makes sense for
profiles on meta to have the same policy.


Somone else placed that tag after you uploaded it. But you remain in 
control (and I would in fact remove that tag), and as Yena has pointed 
out, Commons welcomes user-space images.


Reagrds,
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[Hong, Yena]

Well, image upload for userpage use is explicitly permitted on Commons[1],
as long as it is used and copyright status is fine. (To get meta uploader
right, you need a clear use case, and it is rarely given. Meta does not
allow EDP (fair use), so if it is fair use, it cannot be hosted on Commons
nor on meta.)

[1]: See [[c:COM:SCOPE]], I'm mobile so cannot find section, but there must
be one about this.

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2015. 2. 21. 오후 9:15에 "Marielle Volz" 님이 작성:

> That's what I was going to do originally, but then I looked at my profile
> picture on en wiki[1] I saw this message:
>
> "Do not copy this file to Wikimedia Commons.
>
> While the license of this image or media file, uploaded and used on (a)
> Wikipedia contributor(s) user page(s), may be compliant with Commons, its
> usefulness to other projects is unlikely. It should not be copied to
> Commons unless a specific other usage is anticipated."
>
> I took that to mean that profile pictures in general were discouraged from
> being placed in commons. If that's the case, then it makes sense for
> profiles on meta to have the same policy.
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marielle_volz.jpg
>
> On Feb 21, 2015 12:06 PM, "Erwin Dokter"  wrote:
>
> > On 21-02-2015 12:14, Marielle Volz wrote:
> >
> >> Could we get uploading privileges allowed for normal users (such as
> >> myself)
> >> on meta? Otherwise profile photos will require special privileges.
> >>
> >
> > We have Commons for that. Meta does not allow non-free or fair-use images
> > anyway.
> >
> > Regards,
> > --
> > Erwin Dokter
> >
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[Marielle Volz]

That's what I was going to do originally, but then I looked at my profile
picture on en wiki[1] I saw this message:

"Do not copy this file to Wikimedia Commons.

While the license of this image or media file, uploaded and used on (a)
Wikipedia contributor(s) user page(s), may be compliant with Commons, its
usefulness to other projects is unlikely. It should not be copied to
Commons unless a specific other usage is anticipated."

I took that to mean that profile pictures in general were discouraged from
being placed in commons. If that's the case, then it makes sense for
profiles on meta to have the same policy.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marielle_volz.jpg

On Feb 21, 2015 12:06 PM, "Erwin Dokter"  wrote:

> On 21-02-2015 12:14, Marielle Volz wrote:
>
>> Could we get uploading privileges allowed for normal users (such as
>> myself)
>> on meta? Otherwise profile photos will require special privileges.
>>
>
> We have Commons for that. Meta does not allow non-free or fair-use images
> anyway.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Erwin Dokter
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[Erwin Dokter]

On 21-02-2015 12:14, Marielle Volz wrote:

Could we get uploading privileges allowed for normal users (such as myself)
on meta? Otherwise profile photos will require special privileges.


We have Commons for that. Meta does not allow non-free or fair-use 
images anyway.


Regards,
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[Marielle Volz]

Could we get uploading privileges allowed for normal users (such as myself)
on meta? Otherwise profile photos will require special privileges.

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Hong, Yena  wrote:

> [[m:Synchbot]] is what you are looking for.
>
> -Revi
> [[User:-revi]]
> -- Sent from Android --
> 2015. 2. 21. 오후 5:56에 "Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada" 님이
> 작성:
>
> > 2015-02-21 8:45 GMT+01:00 Pine W :
> >
> > > Is it necessary to request deletion of a local user page in order to
> get
> > > the global page to be automatically transcluded?
> > >
> > > Pine
> > >
> > >
> > It seems so. In my case, I created years ago a lot of redirects to my
> > English userpage from many Wikipedia languages, and now I have to request
> > the deletion for all them. Not very useful.
> >
> > Can we get a special bot task in meta to request userpage deletion in
> > batches?
> >
> >
> > > *This is an Encyclopedia* 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock
> of
> > > our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water
> > we
> > > must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in
> > > which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the
> broad
> > > fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do
> > not
> > > know.*
> > >
> > > *—Catherine Munro*
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:17 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi.
> > > >
> > > > Erwin Dokter wrote:
> > > > >On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:
> > > > >> The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your
> > > > >>userpage
> > > > >> on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one
> major
> > > > >shortcoming.
> > > > >
> > > > >I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a
> > > > >global page.
> > > >
> > > > I think what you're saying here is that if your global user page
> > contains
> > > > "{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example}}", this transclusion will expand
> > in
> > > > the context of the global wiki, not in the context of the local wiki.
> > > >
> > > > >The most annoying thing is that once you create the local
> > > > >user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a
> local
> > > > >admin to delete the local copy again.
> > > > >
> > > > >It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons
> > description
> > > > >pages, where one can *add* content to the local description pages in
> > > > >addition to the trancluded page.
> > > >
> > > > Gone forever seems a bit hyperbolic. :-)  The use-case being solved
> > here
> > > > most directly is "I don't want to create my user page or a pointer to
> > my
> > > > user page on over 800 wikis." I think the append model is interesting
> > to
> > > > consider, but I think it would likely need to be opt-in, perhaps via
> > > > interwiki transclusion.
> > > >
> > > > >I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one
> > wiki
> > > > >can act as the global home wiki. I know there are issues with the
> home
> > > > >wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using
> > > > >{{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.
> > > >
> > > > Right, you're basically suggesting interwiki transclusion here. This
> is
> > > > definitely a hard problem to solve, for the context reason alone.
> > > >
> > > > In discussing global user pages, someone privately criticized the
> > > > implementation with basically the same theme of what you're saying
> > here.
> > > > Namely, that global user pages are only solving a narrow use-case and
> > > that
> > > > the more generalized problem of easy content distribution/re-use
> still
> > > > needs to be addressed. I definitely agree, but here's why I pushed
> this
> > > > project forward and why I'm happy with where we're headed:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Perfect is the enemy of the done. We have global user pages today.
> > If
> > > a
> > > >better approach for global user pages comes along in the future,
> we
> > > can
> > > >switch to using that instead, for sure.
> > > >
> > > > 2. We're working on a more generalized solution:
> > > ><
> > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Shadow_namespaces
> > > > >.
> > > >Nemo also pointed me toward <
> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66474
> > > >
> > > >which may interest you.
> > > >
> > > > Please share your thoughts and feedback on the wiki or in Phabricator
> > or
> > > > on this mailing list. I think there's consensus that we have a
> pattern
> > of
> > > > a problem that we want to solve and any help poking and prodding at
> > ideas
> > > > for solutions to this problem would be most welcome.
> > > >
> > > > MZMcBride
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[Hong, Yena]

[[m:Synchbot]] is what you are looking for.

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2015. 2. 21. 오후 5:56에 "Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada" 님이 작성:

> 2015-02-21 8:45 GMT+01:00 Pine W :
>
> > Is it necessary to request deletion of a local user page in order to get
> > the global page to be automatically transcluded?
> >
> > Pine
> >
> >
> It seems so. In my case, I created years ago a lot of redirects to my
> English userpage from many Wikipedia languages, and now I have to request
> the deletion for all them. Not very useful.
>
> Can we get a special bot task in meta to request userpage deletion in
> batches?
>
>
> > *This is an Encyclopedia* 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of
> > our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water
> we
> > must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in
> > which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad
> > fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do
> not
> > know.*
> >
> > *—Catherine Munro*
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:17 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > Erwin Dokter wrote:
> > > >On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:
> > > >> The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your
> > > >>userpage
> > > >> on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)
> > > >
> > > >After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one major
> > > >shortcoming.
> > > >
> > > >I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a
> > > >global page.
> > >
> > > I think what you're saying here is that if your global user page
> contains
> > > "{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example}}", this transclusion will expand
> in
> > > the context of the global wiki, not in the context of the local wiki.
> > >
> > > >The most annoying thing is that once you create the local
> > > >user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a local
> > > >admin to delete the local copy again.
> > > >
> > > >It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons
> description
> > > >pages, where one can *add* content to the local description pages in
> > > >addition to the trancluded page.
> > >
> > > Gone forever seems a bit hyperbolic. :-)  The use-case being solved
> here
> > > most directly is "I don't want to create my user page or a pointer to
> my
> > > user page on over 800 wikis." I think the append model is interesting
> to
> > > consider, but I think it would likely need to be opt-in, perhaps via
> > > interwiki transclusion.
> > >
> > > >I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one
> wiki
> > > >can act as the global home wiki. I know there are issues with the home
> > > >wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using
> > > >{{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.
> > >
> > > Right, you're basically suggesting interwiki transclusion here. This is
> > > definitely a hard problem to solve, for the context reason alone.
> > >
> > > In discussing global user pages, someone privately criticized the
> > > implementation with basically the same theme of what you're saying
> here.
> > > Namely, that global user pages are only solving a narrow use-case and
> > that
> > > the more generalized problem of easy content distribution/re-use still
> > > needs to be addressed. I definitely agree, but here's why I pushed this
> > > project forward and why I'm happy with where we're headed:
> > >
> > > 1. Perfect is the enemy of the done. We have global user pages today.
> If
> > a
> > >better approach for global user pages comes along in the future, we
> > can
> > >switch to using that instead, for sure.
> > >
> > > 2. We're working on a more generalized solution:
> > ><
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Shadow_namespaces
> > > >.
> > >Nemo also pointed me toward <
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66474
> > >
> > >which may interest you.
> > >
> > > Please share your thoughts and feedback on the wiki or in Phabricator
> or
> > > on this mailing list. I think there's consensus that we have a pattern
> of
> > > a problem that we want to solve and any help poking and prodding at
> ideas
> > > for solutions to this problem would be most welcome.
> > >
> > > MZMcBride
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

2015-02-21 8:45 GMT+01:00 Pine W :

> Is it necessary to request deletion of a local user page in order to get
> the global page to be automatically transcluded?
>
> Pine
>
>
It seems so. In my case, I created years ago a lot of redirects to my
English userpage from many Wikipedia languages, and now I have to request
the deletion for all them. Not very useful.

Can we get a special bot task in meta to request userpage deletion in
batches?


> *This is an Encyclopedia* 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of
> our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we
> must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in
> which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad
> fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not
> know.*
>
> *—Catherine Munro*
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:17 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:
>
> > Hi.
> >
> > Erwin Dokter wrote:
> > >On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:
> > >> The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your
> > >>userpage
> > >> on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)
> > >
> > >After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one major
> > >shortcoming.
> > >
> > >I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a
> > >global page.
> >
> > I think what you're saying here is that if your global user page contains
> > "{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example}}", this transclusion will expand in
> > the context of the global wiki, not in the context of the local wiki.
> >
> > >The most annoying thing is that once you create the local
> > >user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a local
> > >admin to delete the local copy again.
> > >
> > >It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons description
> > >pages, where one can *add* content to the local description pages in
> > >addition to the trancluded page.
> >
> > Gone forever seems a bit hyperbolic. :-)  The use-case being solved here
> > most directly is "I don't want to create my user page or a pointer to my
> > user page on over 800 wikis." I think the append model is interesting to
> > consider, but I think it would likely need to be opt-in, perhaps via
> > interwiki transclusion.
> >
> > >I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one wiki
> > >can act as the global home wiki. I know there are issues with the home
> > >wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using
> > >{{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.
> >
> > Right, you're basically suggesting interwiki transclusion here. This is
> > definitely a hard problem to solve, for the context reason alone.
> >
> > In discussing global user pages, someone privately criticized the
> > implementation with basically the same theme of what you're saying here.
> > Namely, that global user pages are only solving a narrow use-case and
> that
> > the more generalized problem of easy content distribution/re-use still
> > needs to be addressed. I definitely agree, but here's why I pushed this
> > project forward and why I'm happy with where we're headed:
> >
> > 1. Perfect is the enemy of the done. We have global user pages today. If
> a
> >better approach for global user pages comes along in the future, we
> can
> >switch to using that instead, for sure.
> >
> > 2. We're working on a more generalized solution:
> ><
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Shadow_namespaces
> > >.
> >Nemo also pointed me toward  >
> >which may interest you.
> >
> > Please share your thoughts and feedback on the wiki or in Phabricator or
> > on this mailing list. I think there's consensus that we have a pattern of
> > a problem that we want to solve and any help poking and prodding at ideas
> > for solutions to this problem would be most welcome.
> >
> > MZMcBride
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[Pine W]

Is it necessary to request deletion of a local user page in order to get
the global page to be automatically transcluded?

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On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:17 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Erwin Dokter wrote:
> >On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:
> >> The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your
> >>userpage
> >> on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)
> >
> >After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one major
> >shortcoming.
> >
> >I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a
> >global page.
>
> I think what you're saying here is that if your global user page contains
> "{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example}}", this transclusion will expand in
> the context of the global wiki, not in the context of the local wiki.
>
> >The most annoying thing is that once you create the local
> >user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a local
> >admin to delete the local copy again.
> >
> >It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons description
> >pages, where one can *add* content to the local description pages in
> >addition to the trancluded page.
>
> Gone forever seems a bit hyperbolic. :-)  The use-case being solved here
> most directly is "I don't want to create my user page or a pointer to my
> user page on over 800 wikis." I think the append model is interesting to
> consider, but I think it would likely need to be opt-in, perhaps via
> interwiki transclusion.
>
> >I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one wiki
> >can act as the global home wiki. I know there are issues with the home
> >wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using
> >{{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.
>
> Right, you're basically suggesting interwiki transclusion here. This is
> definitely a hard problem to solve, for the context reason alone.
>
> In discussing global user pages, someone privately criticized the
> implementation with basically the same theme of what you're saying here.
> Namely, that global user pages are only solving a narrow use-case and that
> the more generalized problem of easy content distribution/re-use still
> needs to be addressed. I definitely agree, but here's why I pushed this
> project forward and why I'm happy with where we're headed:
>
> 1. Perfect is the enemy of the done. We have global user pages today. If a
>better approach for global user pages comes along in the future, we can
>switch to using that instead, for sure.
>
> 2. We're working on a more generalized solution:
> >.
>Nemo also pointed me toward 
>which may interest you.
>
> Please share your thoughts and feedback on the wiki or in Phabricator or
> on this mailing list. I think there's consensus that we have a pattern of
> a problem that we want to solve and any help poking and prodding at ideas
> for solutions to this problem would be most welcome.
>
> MZMcBride
>
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[MZMcBride]

Hi.

Erwin Dokter wrote:
>On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:
>> The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your
>>userpage
>> on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)
>
>After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one major
>shortcoming.
>
>I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a
>global page.

I think what you're saying here is that if your global user page contains
"{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example}}", this transclusion will expand in
the context of the global wiki, not in the context of the local wiki.

>The most annoying thing is that once you create the local
>user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a local
>admin to delete the local copy again.
>
>It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons description
>pages, where one can *add* content to the local description pages in
>addition to the trancluded page.

Gone forever seems a bit hyperbolic. :-)  The use-case being solved here
most directly is "I don't want to create my user page or a pointer to my
user page on over 800 wikis." I think the append model is interesting to
consider, but I think it would likely need to be opt-in, perhaps via
interwiki transclusion.

>I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one wiki
>can act as the global home wiki. I know there are issues with the home
>wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using
>{{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.

Right, you're basically suggesting interwiki transclusion here. This is
definitely a hard problem to solve, for the context reason alone.

In discussing global user pages, someone privately criticized the
implementation with basically the same theme of what you're saying here.
Namely, that global user pages are only solving a narrow use-case and that
the more generalized problem of easy content distribution/re-use still
needs to be addressed. I definitely agree, but here's why I pushed this
project forward and why I'm happy with where we're headed:

1. Perfect is the enemy of the done. We have global user pages today. If a
   better approach for global user pages comes along in the future, we can
   switch to using that instead, for sure.

2. We're working on a more generalized solution:
   .
   Nemo also pointed me toward 
   which may interest you.

Please share your thoughts and feedback on the wiki or in Phabricator or
on this mailing list. I think there's consensus that we have a pattern of
a problem that we want to solve and any help poking and prodding at ideas
for solutions to this problem would be most welcome.

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[Scott MacLeod]

Kunal, Erik and All,

So great!

How will Linked Data be added to, and develop with, these
interlingual Global User Pages -
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage ?

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> Hooray! This is so cool.
>
> /goes to edit her meta userpage...
>
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> p.s. re: babel, my absolute favorite use is on Wikidata, where you can
> add babel templates to your userpage and then get the appropriate
> fields to add stuff in that language :) I love showing that to people
> who are getting started on Wikidata.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Legoktm 
> wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users
> with
> > CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at
> > mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in
> > Phabricator[2].
> >
> > Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment
> > (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix & ShoutWiki,
> Isarra,
> > MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who
> helped
> > with testing it while it was in beta.
> >
> > [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage
> > [2]
> >
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7
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[phoebe ayers]

Hooray! This is so cool.

/goes to edit her meta userpage...

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p.s. re: babel, my absolute favorite use is on Wikidata, where you can
add babel templates to your userpage and then get the appropriate
fields to add stuff in that language :) I love showing that to people
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On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Legoktm  wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users with
> CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at
> mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in
> Phabricator[2].
>
> Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment
> (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix & ShoutWiki, Isarra,
> MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who helped
> with testing it while it was in beta.
>
> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage
> [2]
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[Erwin Dokter]

On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:

The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your userpage
on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)


After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one major 
shortcoming.


I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a 
global page. The most annoying thing is that once you create the local 
user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a local 
admin to delete the local copy again.


It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons description 
pages, where one can *add* content to the local description pages in 
addition to the trancluded page.


I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one wiki 
can act as the global home wiki. I know there are issues with the home 
wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using 
{{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.


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[Dan Garry]

Adam,

The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your userpage
on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)

Those instructions regarding global preferences refer to when the feature
is disabled by default, which is not currently the case.

Thanks,
Dan

On 20 February 2015 at 09:20, Adam Wight  wrote:

> Hi Legoktm,
>
> Thanks for doing this great work!  I tried to follow the instructions at
> [1], and discovered that GlobalPreferences hasn't been deployed yet, so I
> don't think it's possible to enable a global user page yet.  Please keep us
> posted when that happens, I'm looking forward to abusing this new feature
> :D
>
> -Adam
>
> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Erwin Dokter  wrote:
>
> > On 20-02-2015 13:07, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> >
> >> Hoi,
> >> Babel templates are replaced by the #Babel functionality... The only
> >> problem I have with the Babel functionality on Meta is that they decided
> >> to
> >> have everything in Green..
> >>
> >
> > The content is transcluded, but it's the local CSS that will style that
> > content. So #babel does look different on other projects.
> >
> > Regards,
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[Adam Wight]

Hi Legoktm,

Thanks for doing this great work!  I tried to follow the instructions at
[1], and discovered that GlobalPreferences hasn't been deployed yet, so I
don't think it's possible to enable a global user page yet.  Please keep us
posted when that happens, I'm looking forward to abusing this new feature :D

-Adam

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Erwin Dokter  wrote:

> On 20-02-2015 13:07, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> Babel templates are replaced by the #Babel functionality... The only
>> problem I have with the Babel functionality on Meta is that they decided
>> to
>> have everything in Green..
>>
>
> The content is transcluded, but it's the local CSS that will style that
> content. So #babel does look different on other projects.
>
> Regards,
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[Erwin Dokter]

On 20-02-2015 13:07, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi,
Babel templates are replaced by the #Babel functionality... The only
problem I have with the Babel functionality on Meta is that they decided to
have everything in Green..


The content is transcluded, but it's the local CSS that will style that 
content. So #babel does look different on other projects.


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[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

Hello, thanks for this, it is a good feature.

Does it work for Wiktionary, Wikisource, etc? Does it show the same
userpage in any sister project? In that case, a trick to show different
content using a switch and the {{SITENAME}} magic word would work?

2015-02-19 2:06 GMT+01:00 Legoktm :

> Hello!
>
> Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users
> with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at
> mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in
> Phabricator[2].
>
> Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment
> (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix & ShoutWiki, Isarra,
> MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who
> helped with testing it while it was in beta.
>
> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage
> [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?
> projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Babel templates are replaced by the #Babel functionality... The only
problem I have with the Babel functionality on Meta is that they decided to
have everything in Green..

However check it out on my profile.
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 20 February 2015 at 11:22, David Gerard  wrote:

> Nice one!
>
> Will anyone be porting all the Babel templates? That's a seriously
> useful thing that should go there, and they aren't on Meta yet.
>
> On 19 February 2015 at 01:06, Legoktm  wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users
> with
> > CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at
> > mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in
> > Phabricator[2].
> >
> > Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment
> > (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix & ShoutWiki,
> Isarra,
> > MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who
> helped
> > with testing it while it was in beta.
> >
> > [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage
> > [2]
> >
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7
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On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:22 PM, David Gerard  wrote:
> Nice one!
>
> Will anyone be porting all the Babel templates? That's a seriously
> useful thing that should go there, and they aren't on Meta yet.

Eh? I think Babel templates are from last decade.
See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_language

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[David Gerard]

Nice one!

Will anyone be porting all the Babel templates? That's a seriously
useful thing that should go there, and they aren't on Meta yet.

On 19 February 2015 at 01:06, Legoktm  wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users with
> CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at
> mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in
> Phabricator[2].
>
> Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment
> (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix & ShoutWiki, Isarra,
> MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who helped
> with testing it while it was in beta.
>
> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage
> [2]
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7
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[MZMcBride]

Erik Moeller wrote:
>Thanks for all _your_ work seeing this through the finish line as well,
>Kunal. This is a great first step towards better user profile support, and
>brings all Wikimedia wikis closer together.

Absolutely. I'm so proud of the work Legoktm has done and I'm very
grateful that he has chosen to devote his time and talents to improving
Wikimedia. I also think there's a whole lot to be learned from the
smoothness and near banality of these feature deployments. They're a
showcase of how all deployments should ideally be, in my opinion.

Petr Bena wrote:
>Now maybe create some user friendly documentation less technical than
>what is on extension-desc which tell users how to use this?

We have  for Wikimedia
wikis. Patches welcome. ;-)  There has also been some great discussion
recently on the Wikimedia Forum about global user pages (cf.
 and
), which includes
trying to figure out where and how to better document this new feature.

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[Petr Bena]

Now maybe create some user friendly documentation less technical than
what is on extension-desc which tell users how to use this?

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 9:30 AM, florian.schmidt.wel...@t-online.de
 wrote:
> Yeah, thanks for your work on this Kunal!
>
> enwiki: userpage deletion requested
> dewiki: local userpage deleted
>
> :D
>
> Best / Freundliche Grüße
> Florian Schmidt
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> Hello!
>
> Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users
> with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at
> mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in
> Phabricator[2].
>
> Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment
> (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix & ShoutWiki,
> Isarra, MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and
> everyone who helped with testing it while it was in beta.
>
> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[florian.schmidt.wel...@t-online.de]

Yeah, thanks for your work on this Kunal!

enwiki: userpage deletion requested
dewiki: local userpage deleted

:D

Best / Freundliche Grüße
Florian Schmidt

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Betreff: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
Datum: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 02:07:16 +0100
Von: Legoktm 
An: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org,  Coordination of technology deployments 
across languages/projects 

Hello!

Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users 
with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at 
mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in 
Phabricator[2].

Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment 
(incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix & ShoutWiki, 
Isarra, MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and 
everyone who helped with testing it while it was in beta.

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage
[2] 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[Keegan Peterzell]

Hi Pine,

I'm actually the owner of SUL finalization. It is happening in April. The
big messaging, rename schema, and a special page listing users that will be
affected is coming in a few days and there will be a big update then. You
can always follow along on Phabricator.[1][2]

Until then, let us continue to congratulate Kunal and cohorts!

1. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T37707
2. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/sul-finalization/

Keegan Peterzell
Community Liaison, Product
Wikimedia Foundation
On Feb 19, 2015 12:56 AM, "Pine W"  wrote:

> Thanks for the very good news.
>
> Dan, can we get an ETA about SUL finalization?
>
> Pine
> On Feb 18, 2015 5:07 PM, "Legoktm"  wrote:
>
> > Hello!
> >
> > Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users
> > with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at
> > mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in
> > Phabricator[2].
> >
> > Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment
> > (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix & ShoutWiki,
> Isarra,
> > MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who
> > helped with testing it while it was in beta.
> >
> > [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage
> > [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?
> > projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7
> >
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[Pine W]

Thanks for the very good news.

Dan, can we get an ETA about SUL finalization?

Pine
On Feb 18, 2015 5:07 PM, "Legoktm"  wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users
> with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at
> mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in
> Phabricator[2].
>
> Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment
> (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix & ShoutWiki, Isarra,
> MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who
> helped with testing it while it was in beta.
>
> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage
> [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?
> projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7
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[Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

[Legoktm]

Hello!

Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users 
with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at 
mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in 
Phabricator[2].


Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment 
(incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix & ShoutWiki, 
Isarra, MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and 
everyone who helped with testing it while it was in beta.


[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage
[2] 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7



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