Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:19 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: p.s. re: babel, my absolute favorite use is on Wikidata, where you can add babel templates to your userpage and then get the appropriate fields to add stuff in that language :) I love showing that to people who are getting started on Wikidata. Will that still work if a user moves his babel config to his global user page on Meta-wiki, considering that the categorization will not work on Wikidata? https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90398 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Babel templates are replaced by the #Babel functionality... The only problem I have with the Babel functionality on Meta is that they decided to have everything in Green.. However check it out on my profile. Thanks, GerardM There is one problem, though: the babel categorization does not work. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90398 Best regards, Helder ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
2015-02-21 16:21 GMT+01:00 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com: Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada wrote: It seems so. In my case, I created years ago a lot of redirects to my English userpage from many Wikipedia languages, and now I have to request the deletion for all them. Not very useful. Not very useful is a slightly rude comment to make, in my opinion. You specifically and intentionally created local user pages on various Wikipedias. I imagine you and others would be rightfully upset if someone came along and simply overwrote your local user pages with a global user page without your knowledge or consent. Can we get a special bot task in meta to request userpage deletion in batches? There's discussion on Meta-Wiki about Synchbot deleting local user pages on a per-user, opt-in basis. I'm personally of the view that users seeking to un-spam the dozens or hundreds of wikis where they have created a local user page and done nothing more ought to clean up the mess themselves. I edited/added images and managed bots (generating edit rankings and other) in many Wikipedias. I didn't spammed anything, just had to create the redirect userpages years ago because MediaWiki didn't offered anything better. If you don't know about the case, shut up. Instead of deletion, blanking the user page might be a neat way of triggering the global user page to re-appear (a version of pure wiki deletion). Though, of course, some users might want a 0-byte user page. MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada wrote: I edited/added images and managed bots (generating edit rankings and other) in many Wikipedias. I didn't spammed anything, just had to create the redirect userpages years ago because MediaWiki didn't offered anything better. Indeed. I briefly looked at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Emijrp and places where there are three edits seem to be creating a soft redirect template, soft-redirecting your user page, and soft-redirecting your user talk page. If you don't know about the case, shut up. I know a bit! :-) We should not be antagonizing each other. I really respect and appreciate the work that you do across Wikimedia. Spam is a pretty loaded term and it was in poor form to use it here. I apologize. Certain users are in a funky situation currently where, using a bot or browser tabs, they've created dozens or hundreds of user pages that now preempt a global user page. We definitely considered this scenario, but ultimately this practice of creating many local user pages was never considered supported. It was tolerated because of the lack of global user pages and now we face a reconciliation with past acts. (Or not... retaining local user pages doesn't really harm much.) If you or anyone else wants help getting rid of these local user pages, there are volunteers at Meta-Wiki who would be happy to offer assistance. MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
[[m:Synchbot]] is what you are looking for.
-Revi
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2015. 2. 21. 오후 5:56에 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com님이 작성:
2015-02-21 8:45 GMT+01:00 Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com:
Is it necessary to request deletion of a local user page in order to get
the global page to be automatically transcluded?
Pine
It seems so. In my case, I created years ago a lot of redirects to my
English userpage from many Wikipedia languages, and now I have to request
the deletion for all them. Not very useful.
Can we get a special bot task in meta to request userpage deletion in
batches?
*This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/
*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of
our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water
we
must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in
which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad
fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do
not
know.*
*—Catherine Munro*
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:17 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Hi.
Erwin Dokter wrote:
On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:
The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your
userpage
on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)
After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one major
shortcoming.
I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a
global page.
I think what you're saying here is that if your global user page
contains
{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example}}, this transclusion will expand
in
the context of the global wiki, not in the context of the local wiki.
The most annoying thing is that once you create the local
user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a local
admin to delete the local copy again.
It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons
description
pages, where one can *add* content to the local description pages in
addition to the trancluded page.
Gone forever seems a bit hyperbolic. :-) The use-case being solved
here
most directly is I don't want to create my user page or a pointer to
my
user page on over 800 wikis. I think the append model is interesting
to
consider, but I think it would likely need to be opt-in, perhaps via
interwiki transclusion.
I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one
wiki
can act as the global home wiki. I know there are issues with the home
wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using
{{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.
Right, you're basically suggesting interwiki transclusion here. This is
definitely a hard problem to solve, for the context reason alone.
In discussing global user pages, someone privately criticized the
implementation with basically the same theme of what you're saying
here.
Namely, that global user pages are only solving a narrow use-case and
that
the more generalized problem of easy content distribution/re-use still
needs to be addressed. I definitely agree, but here's why I pushed this
project forward and why I'm happy with where we're headed:
1. Perfect is the enemy of the done. We have global user pages today.
If
a
better approach for global user pages comes along in the future, we
can
switch to using that instead, for sure.
2. We're working on a more generalized solution:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Shadow_namespaces
.
Nemo also pointed me toward
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66474
which may interest you.
Please share your thoughts and feedback on the wiki or in Phabricator
or
on this mailing list. I think there's consensus that we have a pattern
of
a problem that we want to solve and any help poking and prodding at
ideas
for solutions to this problem would be most welcome.
MZMcBride
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
Could we get uploading privileges allowed for normal users (such as myself)
on meta? Otherwise profile photos will require special privileges.
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Hong, Yena li...@revi.pe.kr wrote:
[[m:Synchbot]] is what you are looking for.
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2015. 2. 21. 오후 5:56에 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com님이
작성:
2015-02-21 8:45 GMT+01:00 Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com:
Is it necessary to request deletion of a local user page in order to
get
the global page to be automatically transcluded?
Pine
It seems so. In my case, I created years ago a lot of redirects to my
English userpage from many Wikipedia languages, and now I have to request
the deletion for all them. Not very useful.
Can we get a special bot task in meta to request userpage deletion in
batches?
*This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/
*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock
of
our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water
we
must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in
which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the
broad
fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do
not
know.*
*—Catherine Munro*
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:17 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Hi.
Erwin Dokter wrote:
On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:
The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your
userpage
on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)
After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one
major
shortcoming.
I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a
global page.
I think what you're saying here is that if your global user page
contains
{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example}}, this transclusion will expand
in
the context of the global wiki, not in the context of the local wiki.
The most annoying thing is that once you create the local
user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a
local
admin to delete the local copy again.
It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons
description
pages, where one can *add* content to the local description pages in
addition to the trancluded page.
Gone forever seems a bit hyperbolic. :-) The use-case being solved
here
most directly is I don't want to create my user page or a pointer to
my
user page on over 800 wikis. I think the append model is interesting
to
consider, but I think it would likely need to be opt-in, perhaps via
interwiki transclusion.
I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one
wiki
can act as the global home wiki. I know there are issues with the
home
wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using
{{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.
Right, you're basically suggesting interwiki transclusion here. This
is
definitely a hard problem to solve, for the context reason alone.
In discussing global user pages, someone privately criticized the
implementation with basically the same theme of what you're saying
here.
Namely, that global user pages are only solving a narrow use-case and
that
the more generalized problem of easy content distribution/re-use
still
needs to be addressed. I definitely agree, but here's why I pushed
this
project forward and why I'm happy with where we're headed:
1. Perfect is the enemy of the done. We have global user pages today.
If
a
better approach for global user pages comes along in the future,
we
can
switch to using that instead, for sure.
2. We're working on a more generalized solution:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Shadow_namespaces
.
Nemo also pointed me toward
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66474
which may interest you.
Please share your thoughts and feedback on the wiki or in Phabricator
or
on this mailing list. I think there's consensus that we have a
pattern
of
a problem that we want to solve and any help poking and prodding at
ideas
for solutions to this problem would be most welcome.
MZMcBride
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Am 21.02.2015 um 13:14 schrieb Marielle Volz: That's what I was going to do originally, but then I looked at my profile picture on en wiki[1] I saw this message: Do not copy this file to Wikimedia Commons. While the license of this image or media file, uploaded and used on (a) Wikipedia contributor(s) user page(s), may be compliant with Commons, its usefulness to other projects is unlikely. It should not be copied to Commons unless a specific other usage is anticipated. I took that to mean that profile pictures in general were discouraged from being placed in commons. If that's the case, then it makes sense for profiles on meta to have the same policy. I would say profile pictures are useful on commons if used on a global user page. The idea behind the message you saw is that pictures that are only going to be used on your local profile shouldn't be on commons. If you are going to use your profile picture on a lot of wikis or, now, on a global user page, then that's a perfectly good reason to put them on commons. I haven't been a common admin for years, but I suppose the guidelines there still allow this. -- daniel ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada wrote: It seems so. In my case, I created years ago a lot of redirects to my English userpage from many Wikipedia languages, and now I have to request the deletion for all them. Not very useful. Not very useful is a slightly rude comment to make, in my opinion. You specifically and intentionally created local user pages on various Wikipedias. I imagine you and others would be rightfully upset if someone came along and simply overwrote your local user pages with a global user page without your knowledge or consent. Can we get a special bot task in meta to request userpage deletion in batches? There's discussion on Meta-Wiki about Synchbot deleting local user pages on a per-user, opt-in basis. I'm personally of the view that users seeking to un-spam the dozens or hundreds of wikis where they have created a local user page and done nothing more ought to clean up the mess themselves. Instead of deletion, blanking the user page might be a neat way of triggering the global user page to re-appear (a version of pure wiki deletion). Though, of course, some users might want a 0-byte user page. MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
2015-02-21 8:45 GMT+01:00 Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com:
Is it necessary to request deletion of a local user page in order to get
the global page to be automatically transcluded?
Pine
It seems so. In my case, I created years ago a lot of redirects to my
English userpage from many Wikipedia languages, and now I have to request
the deletion for all them. Not very useful.
Can we get a special bot task in meta to request userpage deletion in
batches?
*This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/
*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of
our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we
must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in
which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad
fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not
know.*
*—Catherine Munro*
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:17 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Hi.
Erwin Dokter wrote:
On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:
The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your
userpage
on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)
After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one major
shortcoming.
I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a
global page.
I think what you're saying here is that if your global user page contains
{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example}}, this transclusion will expand in
the context of the global wiki, not in the context of the local wiki.
The most annoying thing is that once you create the local
user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a local
admin to delete the local copy again.
It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons description
pages, where one can *add* content to the local description pages in
addition to the trancluded page.
Gone forever seems a bit hyperbolic. :-) The use-case being solved here
most directly is I don't want to create my user page or a pointer to my
user page on over 800 wikis. I think the append model is interesting to
consider, but I think it would likely need to be opt-in, perhaps via
interwiki transclusion.
I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one wiki
can act as the global home wiki. I know there are issues with the home
wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using
{{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.
Right, you're basically suggesting interwiki transclusion here. This is
definitely a hard problem to solve, for the context reason alone.
In discussing global user pages, someone privately criticized the
implementation with basically the same theme of what you're saying here.
Namely, that global user pages are only solving a narrow use-case and
that
the more generalized problem of easy content distribution/re-use still
needs to be addressed. I definitely agree, but here's why I pushed this
project forward and why I'm happy with where we're headed:
1. Perfect is the enemy of the done. We have global user pages today. If
a
better approach for global user pages comes along in the future, we
can
switch to using that instead, for sure.
2. We're working on a more generalized solution:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Shadow_namespaces
.
Nemo also pointed me toward https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66474
which may interest you.
Please share your thoughts and feedback on the wiki or in Phabricator or
on this mailing list. I think there's consensus that we have a pattern of
a problem that we want to solve and any help poking and prodding at ideas
for solutions to this problem would be most welcome.
MZMcBride
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
On 21/02/15 15:21, MZMcBride wrote: Instead of deletion, blanking the user page might be a neat way of triggering the global user page to re-appear (a version of pure wiki deletion). Though, of course, some users might want a 0-byte user page. With interface messages, setting the content to '-' is commonly used instead of deletion in order to reset the content to default, since that way the history is preserved even with blank messages. Having similar functionality might be useful here. -I ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On 21-02-2015 12:14, Marielle Volz wrote: Could we get uploading privileges allowed for normal users (such as myself) on meta? Otherwise profile photos will require special privileges. We have Commons for that. Meta does not allow non-free or fair-use images anyway. Regards, -- Erwin Dokter ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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That's what I was going to do originally, but then I looked at my profile picture on en wiki[1] I saw this message: Do not copy this file to Wikimedia Commons. While the license of this image or media file, uploaded and used on (a) Wikipedia contributor(s) user page(s), may be compliant with Commons, its usefulness to other projects is unlikely. It should not be copied to Commons unless a specific other usage is anticipated. I took that to mean that profile pictures in general were discouraged from being placed in commons. If that's the case, then it makes sense for profiles on meta to have the same policy. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marielle_volz.jpg On Feb 21, 2015 12:06 PM, Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl wrote: On 21-02-2015 12:14, Marielle Volz wrote: Could we get uploading privileges allowed for normal users (such as myself) on meta? Otherwise profile photos will require special privileges. We have Commons for that. Meta does not allow non-free or fair-use images anyway. Regards, -- Erwin Dokter ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On 21-02-2015 13:14, Marielle Volz wrote: That's what I was going to do originally, but then I looked at my profile picture on en wiki[1] I saw this message: Do not copy this file to Wikimedia Commons. [...] I took that to mean that profile pictures in general were discouraged from being placed in commons. If that's the case, then it makes sense for profiles on meta to have the same policy. Somone else placed that tag after you uploaded it. But you remain in control (and I would in fact remove that tag), and as Yena has pointed out, Commons welcomes user-space images. Reagrds, -- Erwin Dokter ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Well, image upload for userpage use is explicitly permitted on Commons[1], as long as it is used and copyright status is fine. (To get meta uploader right, you need a clear use case, and it is rarely given. Meta does not allow EDP (fair use), so if it is fair use, it cannot be hosted on Commons nor on meta.) [1]: See [[c:COM:SCOPE]], I'm mobile so cannot find section, but there must be one about this. -Revi [[User:-revi]] -- Sent from Android -- 2015. 2. 21. 오후 9:15에 Marielle Volz mv...@wikimedia.org님이 작성: That's what I was going to do originally, but then I looked at my profile picture on en wiki[1] I saw this message: Do not copy this file to Wikimedia Commons. While the license of this image or media file, uploaded and used on (a) Wikipedia contributor(s) user page(s), may be compliant with Commons, its usefulness to other projects is unlikely. It should not be copied to Commons unless a specific other usage is anticipated. I took that to mean that profile pictures in general were discouraged from being placed in commons. If that's the case, then it makes sense for profiles on meta to have the same policy. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marielle_volz.jpg On Feb 21, 2015 12:06 PM, Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl wrote: On 21-02-2015 12:14, Marielle Volz wrote: Could we get uploading privileges allowed for normal users (such as myself) on meta? Otherwise profile photos will require special privileges. We have Commons for that. Meta does not allow non-free or fair-use images anyway. Regards, -- Erwin Dokter ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:22 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Nice one! Will anyone be porting all the Babel templates? That's a seriously useful thing that should go there, and they aren't on Meta yet. Eh? I think Babel templates are from last decade. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_language -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Nice one! Will anyone be porting all the Babel templates? That's a seriously useful thing that should go there, and they aren't on Meta yet. On 19 February 2015 at 01:06, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in Phabricator[2]. Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix ShoutWiki, Isarra, MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who helped with testing it while it was in beta. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Hoi, Babel templates are replaced by the #Babel functionality... The only problem I have with the Babel functionality on Meta is that they decided to have everything in Green.. However check it out on my profile. Thanks, GerardM On 20 February 2015 at 11:22, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Nice one! Will anyone be porting all the Babel templates? That's a seriously useful thing that should go there, and they aren't on Meta yet. On 19 February 2015 at 01:06, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in Phabricator[2]. Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix ShoutWiki, Isarra, MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who helped with testing it while it was in beta. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis
Hello, thanks for this, it is a good feature.
Does it work for Wiktionary, Wikisource, etc? Does it show the same
userpage in any sister project? In that case, a trick to show different
content using a switch and the {{SITENAME}} magic word would work?
2015-02-19 2:06 GMT+01:00 Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com:
Hello!
Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users
with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at
mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in
Phabricator[2].
Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment
(incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix ShoutWiki, Isarra,
MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who
helped with testing it while it was in beta.
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage
[2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?
projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7
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On 20-02-2015 13:07, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, Babel templates are replaced by the #Babel functionality... The only problem I have with the Babel functionality on Meta is that they decided to have everything in Green.. The content is transcluded, but it's the local CSS that will style that content. So #babel does look different on other projects. Regards, -- Erwin Dokter ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Hi Legoktm, Thanks for doing this great work! I tried to follow the instructions at [1], and discovered that GlobalPreferences hasn't been deployed yet, so I don't think it's possible to enable a global user page yet. Please keep us posted when that happens, I'm looking forward to abusing this new feature :D -Adam [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl wrote: On 20-02-2015 13:07, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, Babel templates are replaced by the #Babel functionality... The only problem I have with the Babel functionality on Meta is that they decided to have everything in Green.. The content is transcluded, but it's the local CSS that will style that content. So #babel does look different on other projects. Regards, -- Erwin Dokter ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Is it necessary to request deletion of a local user page in order to get
the global page to be automatically transcluded?
Pine
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On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:17 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Hi.
Erwin Dokter wrote:
On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:
The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your
userpage
on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)
After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one major
shortcoming.
I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a
global page.
I think what you're saying here is that if your global user page contains
{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example}}, this transclusion will expand in
the context of the global wiki, not in the context of the local wiki.
The most annoying thing is that once you create the local
user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a local
admin to delete the local copy again.
It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons description
pages, where one can *add* content to the local description pages in
addition to the trancluded page.
Gone forever seems a bit hyperbolic. :-) The use-case being solved here
most directly is I don't want to create my user page or a pointer to my
user page on over 800 wikis. I think the append model is interesting to
consider, but I think it would likely need to be opt-in, perhaps via
interwiki transclusion.
I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one wiki
can act as the global home wiki. I know there are issues with the home
wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using
{{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.
Right, you're basically suggesting interwiki transclusion here. This is
definitely a hard problem to solve, for the context reason alone.
In discussing global user pages, someone privately criticized the
implementation with basically the same theme of what you're saying here.
Namely, that global user pages are only solving a narrow use-case and that
the more generalized problem of easy content distribution/re-use still
needs to be addressed. I definitely agree, but here's why I pushed this
project forward and why I'm happy with where we're headed:
1. Perfect is the enemy of the done. We have global user pages today. If a
better approach for global user pages comes along in the future, we can
switch to using that instead, for sure.
2. We're working on a more generalized solution:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Shadow_namespaces
.
Nemo also pointed me toward https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66474
which may interest you.
Please share your thoughts and feedback on the wiki or in Phabricator or
on this mailing list. I think there's consensus that we have a pattern of
a problem that we want to solve and any help poking and prodding at ideas
for solutions to this problem would be most welcome.
MZMcBride
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Hi.
Erwin Dokter wrote:
On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:
The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your
userpage
on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)
After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one major
shortcoming.
I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a
global page.
I think what you're saying here is that if your global user page contains
{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example}}, this transclusion will expand in
the context of the global wiki, not in the context of the local wiki.
The most annoying thing is that once you create the local
user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a local
admin to delete the local copy again.
It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons description
pages, where one can *add* content to the local description pages in
addition to the trancluded page.
Gone forever seems a bit hyperbolic. :-) The use-case being solved here
most directly is I don't want to create my user page or a pointer to my
user page on over 800 wikis. I think the append model is interesting to
consider, but I think it would likely need to be opt-in, perhaps via
interwiki transclusion.
I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one wiki
can act as the global home wiki. I know there are issues with the home
wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using
{{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.
Right, you're basically suggesting interwiki transclusion here. This is
definitely a hard problem to solve, for the context reason alone.
In discussing global user pages, someone privately criticized the
implementation with basically the same theme of what you're saying here.
Namely, that global user pages are only solving a narrow use-case and that
the more generalized problem of easy content distribution/re-use still
needs to be addressed. I definitely agree, but here's why I pushed this
project forward and why I'm happy with where we're headed:
1. Perfect is the enemy of the done. We have global user pages today. If a
better approach for global user pages comes along in the future, we can
switch to using that instead, for sure.
2. We're working on a more generalized solution:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Shadow_namespaces.
Nemo also pointed me toward https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66474
which may interest you.
Please share your thoughts and feedback on the wiki or in Phabricator or
on this mailing list. I think there's consensus that we have a pattern of
a problem that we want to solve and any help poking and prodding at ideas
for solutions to this problem would be most welcome.
MZMcBride
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Kunal, Erik and All, So great! How will Linked Data be added to, and develop with, these interlingual Global User Pages - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage ? Cheers, Scott http://worlduniversityandschool.org/ http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Languages (planned for all 7,870 languages) On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Hooray! This is so cool. /goes to edit her meta userpage... -- phoebe p.s. re: babel, my absolute favorite use is on Wikidata, where you can add babel templates to your userpage and then get the appropriate fields to add stuff in that language :) I love showing that to people who are getting started on Wikidata. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in Phabricator[2]. Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix ShoutWiki, Isarra, MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who helped with testing it while it was in beta. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Scott MacLeod http://scottmacleod.com http://worlduniversityandschool.org/ This email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this email message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and destroy/delete all copies of the transmittal. Thank you. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:
The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your userpage
on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)
After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one major
shortcoming.
I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a
global page. The most annoying thing is that once you create the local
user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a local
admin to delete the local copy again.
It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons description
pages, where one can *add* content to the local description pages in
addition to the trancluded page.
I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one wiki
can act as the global home wiki. I know there are issues with the home
wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using
{{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.
Regards,
--
Erwin Dokter
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Hooray! This is so cool. /goes to edit her meta userpage... -- phoebe p.s. re: babel, my absolute favorite use is on Wikidata, where you can add babel templates to your userpage and then get the appropriate fields to add stuff in that language :) I love showing that to people who are getting started on Wikidata. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in Phabricator[2]. Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix ShoutWiki, Isarra, MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who helped with testing it while it was in beta. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Yeah, thanks for your work on this Kunal! enwiki: userpage deletion requested dewiki: local userpage deleted :D Best / Freundliche Grüße Florian Schmidt -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis Datum: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 02:07:16 +0100 Von: Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com An: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Coordination of technology deployments across languages/projects wikitech-ambassad...@lists.wikimedia.org Hello! Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in Phabricator[2]. Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix ShoutWiki, Isarra, MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who helped with testing it while it was in beta. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Now maybe create some user friendly documentation less technical than what is on extension-desc which tell users how to use this? On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 9:30 AM, florian.schmidt.wel...@t-online.de florian.schmidt.wel...@t-online.de wrote: Yeah, thanks for your work on this Kunal! enwiki: userpage deletion requested dewiki: local userpage deleted :D Best / Freundliche Grüße Florian Schmidt -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis Datum: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 02:07:16 +0100 Von: Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com An: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Coordination of technology deployments across languages/projects wikitech-ambassad...@lists.wikimedia.org Hello! Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in Phabricator[2]. Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix ShoutWiki, Isarra, MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who helped with testing it while it was in beta. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Erik Moeller wrote: Thanks for all _your_ work seeing this through the finish line as well, Kunal. This is a great first step towards better user profile support, and brings all Wikimedia wikis closer together. Absolutely. I'm so proud of the work Legoktm has done and I'm very grateful that he has chosen to devote his time and talents to improving Wikimedia. I also think there's a whole lot to be learned from the smoothness and near banality of these feature deployments. They're a showcase of how all deployments should ideally be, in my opinion. Petr Bena wrote: Now maybe create some user friendly documentation less technical than what is on extension-desc which tell users how to use this? We have https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_user_pages for Wikimedia wikis. Patches welcome. ;-) There has also been some great discussion recently on the Wikimedia Forum about global user pages (cf. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum and https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=11317230), which includes trying to figure out where and how to better document this new feature. MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Hi Pine, I'm actually the owner of SUL finalization. It is happening in April. The big messaging, rename schema, and a special page listing users that will be affected is coming in a few days and there will be a big update then. You can always follow along on Phabricator.[1][2] Until then, let us continue to congratulate Kunal and cohorts! 1. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T37707 2. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/sul-finalization/ Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Product Wikimedia Foundation On Feb 19, 2015 12:56 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the very good news. Dan, can we get an ETA about SUL finalization? Pine On Feb 18, 2015 5:07 PM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in Phabricator[2]. Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix ShoutWiki, Isarra, MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who helped with testing it while it was in beta. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/? projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Thanks for the very good news. Dan, can we get an ETA about SUL finalization? Pine On Feb 18, 2015 5:07 PM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in Phabricator[2]. Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix ShoutWiki, Isarra, MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who helped with testing it while it was in beta. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/? projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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