[WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge
In light of SBC CEO Edward Whitacre’s comments about charging websites a fee for providing services to SBC broadband customers, NYCwireless is launching the NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge. NYCwireless is challenging every company that provides broadband services in NYC to make a public statement supporting the 4 Network Neutrality principles outlined below. We will keep a scorecard on the NYCwireless website showing which companies have shown a commitment to free trade and open access by embracing these principles. Broadband Challenge http://www.nycwireless.net/tiki-index.php?page=BroadbandChallenge Broadband Challenge Scorecard http://www.nycwireless.net/tiki-index.php?page=BroadbandChallengeScoreCard Every provider should include a web page with their public statement on their own websites. We suggest that the URL to find a provider’s stance on Network Neutrality be made available to the Internet community via the URL http://YourISPWebsite/neutral.html. Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot
Hi all. I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller. It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a relay off or on remotely Oh, before I forget, cheap, too! Any ideas? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot
Realay control or AC? Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet port for remote reboot ... $80 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Hi all. I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller. It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a relay off or on remotely Oh, before I forget, cheap, too! Any ideas? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge
Just passing on some information that may be of interest to anyone. Entitlement vs. laws, and a company's TOS/AUP I'm sure are all involved in one form or another, as with anything else concerning the use of a network to access the Internet or other service. As far as I am concerned, this whole Internet and who controls (owns) it, is just getting dumber and dumber by the minute. Congress, the FCC, state and local governments, special interest groups, the Bell's, xLEC's etc, etc, etc., can all suck eggs. Frank - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frank, I have a problem with the second item listed on the challenge myself. It states: 2) Consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement http://www.cybertelecom.org/security/Calea.htm; I do not allow my broadband subscribers to use their connection for applications or services which act as a server or daemon for delivering content to others. Broadband networks are not designed to be content delivery networks from the customer end generally. In the case of wireless broadband access, customers can cause network problems if they allow thousands of open ports to a popular file download. I have seen this many times and I have provisions in my AUP which allow me to turn customers off who cause network problems from trying to use broadband as a content delivery mechanism. I welcome other thoughts but I believe we need to have the ability to stop abuses of a network which can cause us problems. With that said I agree that there needs to be some commitment from operators to allow access to their networks for free and open competition. I just do not agree that there can be no limits to what we can or cannot allow on the network. Especially when some things can harm network functionality. John Scrivner -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge
Couple of thoughts on this. Seeing they are moving to fee based non profit rather than a community group that is being financed by themselves and their node hosts, Fine, let the them go to the school of hard nocks and figure out why our subs are not allowed to run servers on the network without us the network operator approval and pre configuration. The second thought I have about beng able to hook up Legal Devices, How are they going to get anyone to pay them for their bandwidth if their subs connect 12dbi omni's on 200mw cards as free open wifi networks and give the whole neighborhood free inet. As a matter of fact, I would say both of these are interwoven and they will soon be singing a different song after they get their diplomas. George John Scrivner wrote: Frank, I have a problem with the second item listed on the challenge myself. It states: 2) Consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement http://www.cybertelecom.org/security/Calea.htm; I do not allow my broadband subscribers to use their connection for applications or services which act as a server or daemon for delivering content to others. Broadband networks are not designed to be content delivery networks from the customer end generally. In the case of wireless broadband access, customers can cause network problems if they allow thousands of open ports to a popular file download. I have seen this many times and I have provisions in my AUP which allow me to turn customers off who cause network problems from trying to use broadband as a content delivery mechanism. I welcome other thoughts but I believe we need to have the ability to stop abuses of a network which can cause us problems. With that said I agree that there needs to be some commitment from operators to allow access to their networks for free and open competition. I just do not agree that there can be no limits to what we can or cannot allow on the network. Especially when some things can harm network functionality. John Scrivner Frank Muto wrote: In light of SBC CEO Edward Whitacre’s comments about charging websites a fee for providing services to SBC broadband customers, NYCwireless is launching the NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge. NYCwireless is challenging every company that provides broadband services in NYC to make a public statement supporting the 4 Network Neutrality principles outlined below. We will keep a scorecard on the NYCwireless website showing which companies have shown a commitment to free trade and open access by embracing these principles. Broadband Challenge http://www.nycwireless.net/tiki-index.php?page=BroadbandChallenge Broadband Challenge Scorecard http://www.nycwireless.net/tiki-index.php?page=BroadbandChallengeScoreCard Every provider should include a web page with their public statement on their own websites. We suggest that the URL to find a provider’s stance on Network Neutrality be made available to the Internet community via the URL http://YourISPWebsite/neutral.html. Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Rohn 65G or Nello 65N
We have 60 feet of Rohn 65G tower and need to take it to 100 feet. Does anyone have any 65G or 65N tower sections they want to sell? Thanks. - cw -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge
I can see it now. We will soon be charging for termination and origination of IP traffic on networks. Just like long distance phone calls used to be. Yaykill me now. Scriv Frank Muto wrote: Just passing on some information that may be of interest to anyone. Entitlement vs. laws, and a company's TOS/AUP I'm sure are all involved in one form or another, as with anything else concerning the use of a network to access the Internet or other service. As far as I am concerned, this whole Internet and who controls (owns) it, is just getting dumber and dumber by the minute. Congress, the FCC, state and local governments, special interest groups, the Bell's, xLEC's etc, etc, etc., can all suck eggs. Frank - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frank, I have a problem with the second item listed on the challenge myself. It states: 2) Consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement http://www.cybertelecom.org/security/Calea.htm; I do not allow my broadband subscribers to use their connection for applications or services which act as a server or daemon for delivering content to others. Broadband networks are not designed to be content delivery networks from the customer end generally. In the case of wireless broadband access, customers can cause network problems if they allow thousands of open ports to a popular file download. I have seen this many times and I have provisions in my AUP which allow me to turn customers off who cause network problems from trying to use broadband as a content delivery mechanism. I welcome other thoughts but I believe we need to have the ability to stop abuses of a network which can cause us problems. With that said I agree that there needs to be some commitment from operators to allow access to their networks for free and open competition. I just do not agree that there can be no limits to what we can or cannot allow on the network. Especially when some things can harm network functionality. John Scrivner -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Martin Stewart Reply
On the other hand, if he wants to market his goods and services to WISPA members he really needs to support the asso. to gain the right to do that. He needs to be a vendor member or at the very least buy and ad. At the very very least he needs to offer general help to wispa membership so that we can turn an occasional blind eye to any marketing work done. laters, Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Martin Stewart Reply Sounds apologetic. Is he back on? If it's his first contact with WISPs I'd hate for him to think we're a bunch of jerks.Rick Harnish wrote: The following is a copy of a reply that Martin tried to send to the list this morning after I removed him. WISPA members,I sent an e-mail off-list to seven WISPA members. My intention was to find the person at each of these companies who is responsible for business development partnerships. We are not selling a service. We have a solution that gives the ISP part of the money that advertiser pay to web publishers for placing more relevant ads for the ISPs end users.We have partnerships with national wholesale Internet providers and regional ISPs. The seven WISPs that I contacted through WISPA were the first Wireless based ISPs that I have spoken with to date.I apologize for causing such a commotion with your list. We offer a way for an ISP to increase the revenue earned per end user and I thought that this would be welcomed news to your members if they chose to respond to my e-mail.I will discontinue using e-mail to contact your members.Respectfully,Martin StewartAdzilla New Media No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/160 - Release Date: 11/3/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot
Not the cheapest, but they're really nice: http://www.wti.com I've used and installed them for many years. Thank you Frank Keeney Pasadena Networks, LLC Antennas, Cables and Equipment: http://www.wlanparts.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Hi all. I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller. It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a relay off or on remotely Oh, before I forget, cheap, too! Any ideas? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge
The elecric company doesn't care what you do with their electricity... The gas company doesn't care what you do with their gas... The water company doesn't care what you do with your water... Why should the ISP care what you do with your connection, as long as it doesn't affect their network? Asinine initiatives like IMS and the desire for the telcos/cellcos to have complete control over what their users do or don't do will cause them to lose customers like crazy. They don't even understand what kind of a detriment that crap will be to their service levels. More information? Pick up the latest Wired and see how the combination of Apple/cellcos/manufacturers/Hollywood managed to produce such an inferior product as the Motorola ROKR phone. I hope our moronic telcos continue to offer these lame-brained ideas up. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Wu wrote: Electricity, Gas and Water are billed on a usage basis Competitive market pressures aside, why should Internet be any different? -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge I can see it now. We will soon be charging for termination and origination of IP traffic on networks. Just like long distance phone calls used to be. Yaykill me now. Scriv Frank Muto wrote: Just passing on some information that may be of interest to anyone. Entitlement vs. laws, and a company's TOS/AUP I'm sure are all involved in one form or another, as with anything else concerning the use of a network to access the Internet or other service. As far as I am concerned, this whole Internet and who controls (owns) it, is just getting dumber and dumber by the minute. Congress, the FCC, state and local governments, special interest groups, the Bell's, xLEC's etc, etc, etc., can all suck eggs. Frank - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frank, I have a problem with the second item listed on the challenge myself. It states: 2) Consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement http://www.cybertelecom.org/security/Calea.htm; I do not allow my broadband subscribers to use their connection for applications or services which act as a server or daemon for delivering content to others. Broadband networks are not designed to be content delivery networks from the customer end generally. In the case of wireless broadband access, customers can cause network problems if they allow thousands of open ports to a popular file download. I have seen this many times and I have provisions in my AUP which allow me to turn customers off who cause network problems from trying to use broadband as a content delivery mechanism. I welcome other thoughts but I believe we need to have the ability to stop abuses of a network which can cause us problems. With that said I agree that there needs to be some commitment from operators to allow access to their networks for free and open competition. I just do not agree that there can be no limits to what we can or cannot allow on the network. Especially when some things can harm network functionality. John Scrivner -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge
LOL Frank! Give'em their eggs over hard cause they'll never take it the easy way! I agree with your sediments! On 11/7/05, Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just passing on some information that may be of interest to anyone. Entitlement vs. laws, and a company's TOS/AUP I'm sure are all involved in one form or another, as with anything else concerning the use of a network to access the Internet or other service. As far as I am concerned, this whole Internet and who controls (owns) it, is just getting dumber and dumber by the minute. Congress, the FCC, state and local governments, special interest groups, the Bell's, xLEC's etc, etc, etc., can all suck eggs. Frank - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frank, I have a problem with the second item listed on the challenge myself. It states: 2) Consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement http://www.cybertelecom.org/security/Calea.htm; I do not allow my broadband subscribers to use their connection for applications or services which act as a server or daemon for delivering content to others. Broadband networks are not designed to be content delivery networks from the customer end generally. In the case of wireless broadband access, customers can cause network problems if they allow thousands of open ports to a popular file download. I have seen this many times and I have provisions in my AUP which allow me to turn customers off who cause network problems from trying to use broadband as a content delivery mechanism. I welcome other thoughts but I believe we need to have the ability to stop abuses of a network which can cause us problems. With that said I agree that there needs to be some commitment from operators to allow access to their networks for free and open competition. I just do not agree that there can be no limits to what we can or cannot allow on the network. Especially when some things can harm network functionality. John Scrivner -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge
John Scrivner wrote: I can see it now. We will soon be charging for termination and origination of IP traffic on networks. Just like long distance phone calls used to be. Yaykill me now. Scriv That's the model the RBOCs are comfortable with - since it makes them billions. REgards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ROKR
Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: The elecric company doesn't care what you do with their electricity... The gas company doesn't care what you do with their gas... The water company doesn't care what you do with your water... Why should the ISP care what you do with your connection, as long as it doesn't affect their network? Asinine initiatives like IMS and the desire for the telcos/cellcos to have complete control over what their users do or don't do will cause them to lose customers like crazy. They don't even understand what kind of a detriment that crap will be to their service levels. More information? Pick up the latest Wired and see how the combination of Apple/cellcos/manufacturers/Hollywood managed to produce such an inferior product as the Motorola ROKR phone. I hope our moronic telcos continue to offer these lame-brained ideas up. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] When they sell so many of them, they will continue to make items like these. The same with protected CDs and DVDs. I'm not sure the sheople will ever wake up. Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist 813.496.2122 http://4isps.com Join Independent ISPs for America, Inc. http://www.ii4a.org/expo2005.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge
A modern marketing mistake created this mess. A company started to sell a product that it was incapable of delivering: unlimited network access. Other companies followed suit and assumed that they would never be compelled to make good on their promise. Now, instead of admitting that they were wrong, most providers are trying to redefine the word 'unlimited' through legal documents that attempt to restrict their customers' actions. A far better approach would be to determine what their network can handle and charge appropriately for the usage of their customers. If their network can't provide the customer-demanded services at a fair price, then they need to update their network, reduce their costs, or leave the market. It really can be that simple. Regulations in this type of system are only necessary to ensure that providers are disclosing the information necessary for consumers to choose amongst the competitors. Micro-managing the various services running on top of the network only causes the services to route around the complexity of the regulations and adds unnecessary expense for the consumers and a barrier to entry for future competitors. Jeff Pulver wrote a very interesting blog entry on Friday about the issue of bit-pipes vs. artificially-restricted communications pipes. It seems that Congress might be more informed than the FCC on this issue. Time will tell: http://pulverblog.pulver.com/archives/003274.html - Tony On 11/7/2005 1:51 PM, Charles Wu created: Electricity, Gas and Water are billed on a usage basis Competitive market pressures aside, why should Internet be any different? -Charles -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge
Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: The elecric company doesn't care what you do with their electricity... The gas company doesn't care what you do with their gas... The water company doesn't care what you do with your water... Not totaly true. You can not resell the service. You can not share your services with neightbors for more then a short time. Why should the ISP care what you do with your connection, as long as it doesn't affect their network? I agree with this. As long as end users do no atempt to sell there pipe they are golden to do what ever they want. Keeping under the BW limits set in place is key. No services from said account also. Asinine initiatives like IMS and the desire for the telcos/cellcos to have complete control over what their users do or don't do will cause them to lose customers like crazy. They don't even understand what kind of a detriment that crap will be to their service levels. No but they understand monopoly and are working to lock them up tighter then ever. More information? Pick up the latest Wired and see how the combination of Apple/cellcos/manufacturers/Hollywood managed to produce such an inferior product as the Motorola ROKR phone. I hope our moronic telcos continue to offer these lame-brained ideas up. They will and at ever decresing prices to keep any compitition from gaining more then a few percent of market share. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Wu wrote: Electricity, Gas and Water are billed on a usage basis Competitive market pressures aside, why should Internet be any different? -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge I can see it now. We will soon be charging for termination and origination of IP traffic on networks. Just like long distance phone calls used to be. Yaykill me now. Scriv Frank Muto wrote: Just passing on some information that may be of interest to anyone. Entitlement vs. laws, and a company's TOS/AUP I'm sure are all involved in one form or another, as with anything else concerning the use of a network to access the Internet or other service. As far as I am concerned, this whole Internet and who controls (owns) it, is just getting dumber and dumber by the minute. Congress, the FCC, state and local governments, special interest groups, the Bell's, xLEC's etc, etc, etc., can all suck eggs. Frank - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frank, I have a problem with the second item listed on the challenge myself. It states: 2) Consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement http://www.cybertelecom.org/security/Calea.htm; I do not allow my broadband subscribers to use their connection for applications or services which act as a server or daemon for delivering content to others. Broadband networks are not designed to be content delivery networks from the customer end generally. In the case of wireless broadband access, customers can cause network problems if they allow thousands of open ports to a popular file download. I have seen this many times and I have provisions in my AUP which allow me to turn customers off who cause network problems from trying to use broadband as a content delivery mechanism. I welcome other thoughts but I believe we need to have the ability to stop abuses of a network which can cause us problems. With that said I agree that there needs to be some commitment from operators to allow access to their networks for free and open competition. I just do not agree that there can be no limits to what we can or cannot allow on the network. Especially when some things can harm network functionality. John Scrivner -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge
The worst thing that an ISP or WISP can do is to support these things. The reason, is that if providers create the perception that this can happen and can be controlled, (networks to be open for what ever legal purpose), than there is absolutely no reason that the government should not keep supporting the ILECs and Cable companies to have preferencial treatment to expand their networks and take over more and more of the end users as monopolies. The monopolies have more financiaing and subsidies to full full FCC's biggest criteria to get broadband to EVRYONE. Why not support the heavy players (monopolies) if they are best apt to reach the largest number of americans sooner? If open access will be maintained, and content not blocked, what is the harm? It will only mean that Independant ISPs will go our of business or become more scarse, but content providers will be safe? This is false!!! Once the Monopolies have control of the end users and the market, they will make the rules, no matter what Congress or the FCC try to inforce. Just like Microsoft makes the rules today in applications bundled with its OS, indirectly beating the governemnts legal action against them regarding browser. When all the competition is wiped out, when the monopolie smake their own rules, what could the governemnt really do to enforce anything. What do you do when the private corporation (monoply) gets bigger than governement so to speak. Then the next wave start, the waive to take over content as well. Content providers are safe today for one reason and one reason only, there are MANY ISPs, so no single ISP or MONOPOLY has unfair leverage against the content providers. The tables will turn once the mopnpolies control the market. The bottom line is that content can be provided by any one, any where, at any given time. Access to the end user on the other hand can only be provided by one individual, the one the consumer has connected with. Because of this in a show down, where one provider blocks another, the Monopoly that own the last mile link to the custoemr will win, because they can instantly give the end user an alternate choice of content. The content provider can not give the consumer and instant alternate choice for a last mile provider. Owning the end user connection (by many ISPs) is KEY to the success of fair play on the Internet. This is the reason congress and the FCC MUST support Independant ISPs and WISPs, and not give unfair competitive advantage to monopolies. Making rules that content must stay open, is jsut a fake advantage to give Monopolies a reason to justify why its safe to trust them to take over the world. I am NOT a monopoly hatter, I believe the world is a better place because they are here to quickly serve the millions of end users that would not be served in a timely manner with out them, but to give them unfair advantage, and not guaranteeing that independants as a group can hold on to a large part of the market, is the most foolish thing that could ever happen. And thats the way congress and the FCC are going. The message needs to get out, that it is IMPOSSIBLE to guarantee, detect, and inforce fair open content and practices, and for that reason it is impairative for national security and the consumer, that choice of last mile broadband providers continue to exist for them. What should be happening is NOT to suggest that the rules and laws change for controlling open access across someone's private controlled network, but instead, heavy lobbying taking the words that SBC said to point living proof, that the risks are right in front of us, if things continue the direction they are going. On a side note... In no way do I support someone else controlling who I can let on my network and to do what. I deserve the right to force consumers to purchase my service and not to steal it by sharing one of my client's circuits. I believe their can be many advanatages to giving permission for users to share bandwidth of an ISP even for free, but that should be a choice for the provider to decide and waiver pros and cons of. Giving the right for someone to steal your bandwidth or use it without p[aying for it is jsut plain ludicris. Let me give an example... Just recently one of my towns supported a FREE hotspot in the back yard of one of my cell sites (for paid service), covering about a square half mile. The government agreed to pay the monthly fee for the Internet connection, and landlords donated the roof space, and a private non-profit paid for the equipment. What was ironic was the broadband connection was a DSL line, which most likely has an acceptable use policy NOT TO SHARE TO END USERS. So the governemnt publically indorsed stealing service (from the DSL provider). I could have given away free access myself, If I wanted to steal service to give away. I instead did it the legal way, and responsible way. Whats ironic
RE: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge
The elecric company doesn't care what you do with their electricity... The gas company doesn't care what you do with their gas... The water company doesn't care what you do with your water... Why should the ISP care what you do with your connection, as long as it doesn't affect their network? The electric, water, gas company all bill based on usage Competitive marketing pressures have forced ISPs offer unlimited all-you-can eat plans If I was billing by the bit/byte, I wouldn't give a #$%#^ what the customer did (let him resell, share his connection w/ neighbors, etc - I don't care, b/c now there's no theft of service, since I get paid on everything transfered) -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge
So Charles, start yourself a usage based only operation and let us know how that works out for you. Scriv Charles Wu wrote: Electricity, Gas and Water are billed on a usage basis Competitive market pressures aside, why should Internet be any different? -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge I can see it now. We will soon be charging for termination and origination of IP traffic on networks. Just like long distance phone calls used to be. Yaykill me now. Scriv Frank Muto wrote: Just passing on some information that may be of interest to anyone. Entitlement vs. laws, and a company's TOS/AUP I'm sure are all involved in one form or another, as with anything else concerning the use of a network to access the Internet or other service. As far as I am concerned, this whole Internet and who controls (owns) it, is just getting dumber and dumber by the minute. Congress, the FCC, state and local governments, special interest groups, the Bell's, xLEC's etc, etc, etc., can all suck eggs. Frank - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frank, I have a problem with the second item listed on the challenge myself. It states: 2) Consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement http://www.cybertelecom.org/security/Calea.htm; I do not allow my broadband subscribers to use their connection for applications or services which act as a server or daemon for delivering content to others. Broadband networks are not designed to be content delivery networks from the customer end generally. In the case of wireless broadband access, customers can cause network problems if they allow thousands of open ports to a popular file download. I have seen this many times and I have provisions in my AUP which allow me to turn customers off who cause network problems from trying to use broadband as a content delivery mechanism. I welcome other thoughts but I believe we need to have the ability to stop abuses of a network which can cause us problems. With that said I agree that there needs to be some commitment from operators to allow access to their networks for free and open competition. I just do not agree that there can be no limits to what we can or cannot allow on the network. Especially when some things can harm network functionality. John Scrivner -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge
snip So Charles, start yourself a usage based only operation and let us know how that works out for you. /snip Lol... We all are already - only difference today b/n the ISP the other 3 operations is the fact that the ISP today obfiscates their usage billing in legalese buried deep within the fine print of a contract -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge Scriv Charles Wu wrote: Electricity, Gas and Water are billed on a usage basis Competitive market pressures aside, why should Internet be any different? -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge I can see it now. We will soon be charging for termination and origination of IP traffic on networks. Just like long distance phone calls used to be. Yaykill me now. Scriv Frank Muto wrote: Just passing on some information that may be of interest to anyone. Entitlement vs. laws, and a company's TOS/AUP I'm sure are all involved in one form or another, as with anything else concerning the use of a network to access the Internet or other service. As far as I am concerned, this whole Internet and who controls (owns) it, is just getting dumber and dumber by the minute. Congress, the FCC, state and local governments, special interest groups, the Bell's, xLEC's etc, etc, etc., can all suck eggs. Frank - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frank, I have a problem with the second item listed on the challenge myself. It states: 2) Consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement http://www.cybertelecom.org/security/Calea.htm; I do not allow my broadband subscribers to use their connection for applications or services which act as a server or daemon for delivering content to others. Broadband networks are not designed to be content delivery networks from the customer end generally. In the case of wireless broadband access, customers can cause network problems if they allow thousands of open ports to a popular file download. I have seen this many times and I have provisions in my AUP which allow me to turn customers off who cause network problems from trying to use broadband as a content delivery mechanism. I welcome other thoughts but I believe we need to have the ability to stop abuses of a network which can cause us problems. With that said I agree that there needs to be some commitment from operators to allow access to their networks for free and open competition. I just do not agree that there can be no limits to what we can or cannot allow on the network. Especially when some things can harm network functionality. John Scrivner -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot
We have a couple of them in our office waiting to be deployed at tower sites. The web interface is crap, it won't allow you to put in a subnet and default gateway. You have to set it to get a DHCP address to get those key routing numbers inserted. I like the size and the price is right, I guess for $80 you shouldn't expect many management features. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:04 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Which model APC has Ethernet reboot for $80? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: G.Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Realay control or AC? Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet port for remote reboot ... $80 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Hi all. I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller. It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a relay off or on remotely Oh, before I forget, cheap, too! Any ideas? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 10/21/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge
Since 1997 when we rolled out the first broadband in the area, I've been saying we'd eventually bill by the bit. I actually did so in 1999 using an Alot box but only for the bandwidth hogs. I still say it will be mainstream one day. In fact, I can see the bandwidth costing more depending on the type QOS. How about video costing more than VOIP, etc? It makes too much sense and it's just a matter of time. On 11/7/05, Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So Charles, start yourself a usage based only operation and let us know how that works out for you. /snip Lol... We all are already - only difference today b/n the ISP the other 3 operations is the fact that the ISP today obfiscates their usage billing in legalese buried deep within the fine print of a contract -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge Scriv Charles Wu wrote: Electricity, Gas and Water are billed on a usage basis Competitive market pressures aside, why should Internet be any different? -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge I can see it now. We will soon be charging for termination and origination of IP traffic on networks. Just like long distance phone calls used to be. Yaykill me now. Scriv Frank Muto wrote: Just passing on some information that may be of interest to anyone. Entitlement vs. laws, and a company's TOS/AUP I'm sure are all involved in one form or another, as with anything else concerning the use of a network to access the Internet or other service. As far as I am concerned, this whole Internet and who controls (owns) it, is just getting dumber and dumber by the minute. Congress, the FCC, state and local governments, special interest groups, the Bell's, xLEC's etc, etc, etc., can all suck eggs. Frank - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frank, I have a problem with the second item listed on the challenge myself. It states: 2) Consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement http://www.cybertelecom.org/security/Calea.htm; I do not allow my broadband subscribers to use their connection for applications or services which act as a server or daemon for delivering content to others. Broadband networks are not designed to be content delivery networks from the customer end generally. In the case of wireless broadband access, customers can cause network problems if they allow thousands of open ports to a popular file download. I have seen this many times and I have provisions in my AUP which allow me to turn customers off who cause network problems from trying to use broadband as a content delivery mechanism. I welcome other thoughts but I believe we need to have the ability to stop abuses of a network which can cause us problems. With that said I agree that there needs to be some commitment from operators to allow access to their networks for free and open competition. I just do not agree that there can be no limits to what we can or cannot allow on the network. Especially when some things can harm network functionality. John Scrivner -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot
Thanks thats good to know. Since we don't run DHCP anywhere. Based on that, probably only good as a home unit, thats behind a home gateway w/ DHCP. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:59 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot We have a couple of them in our office waiting to be deployed at tower sites. The web interface is crap, it won't allow you to put in a subnet and default gateway. You have to set it to get a DHCP address to get those key routing numbers inserted. I like the size and the price is right, I guess for $80 you shouldn't expect many management features. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:04 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Which model APC has Ethernet reboot for $80? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: G.Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Realay control or AC? Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet port for remote reboot ... $80 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Hi all. I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller. It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a relay off or on remotely Oh, before I forget, cheap, too! Any ideas? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 10/21/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 10/21/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot
A lot of things here that I have seen, some I have not. Some I use already. Thanks for the ideas. However, the main issue is space.. The box that all my gear must fit in at this location is 12x12x6. In that space, I already have a WRAP 2C, an OR-500 and a 5 port switch And while I can live with switching AC, I'd much prefer a simple set of relay contacts. If I have to build my own, I will. But I was hoping someone had already done it... -- Blair Davis West Michigan Wireless ISP Rick Harnish wrote: We have a couple of them in our office waiting to be deployed at tower sites. The web interface is crap, it won't allow you to put in a subnet and default gateway. You have to set it to get a DHCP address to get those key routing numbers inserted. I like the size and the price is right, I guess for $80 you shouldn't expect many management features. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:04 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Which model APC has Ethernet reboot for $80? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: G.Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Realay control or AC? Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet port for remote reboot ... $80 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Hi all. I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller. It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a relay off or on remotely Oh, before I forget, cheap, too! Any ideas? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 10/21/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot
Rick, I just looked at the pdf manual http://sturgeon.apcc.com/techref.nsf/partnum/990-9234/$FILE/990-9234_EN.pdf #9 shows you how to set a static ip if no DHCP server is available. Thought you might want to know. John Buwa We have a couple of them in our office waiting to be deployed at tower sites. The web interface is crap, it won't allow you to put in a subnet and default gateway. You have to set it to get a DHCP address to get those key routing numbers inserted. I like the size and the price is right, I guess for $80 you shouldn't expect many management features. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:04 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Which model APC has Ethernet reboot for $80? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: G.Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Realay control or AC? Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet port for remote reboot ... $80 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Hi all. I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller. It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a relay off or on remotely Oh, before I forget, cheap, too! Any ideas? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 10/21/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot
It will let you set an IP address. You can't set a gateway or subnet mask -- Blair Davis West Michigan Wireless ISP JNA wrote: Rick, I just looked at the pdf manual http://sturgeon.apcc.com/techref.nsf/partnum/990-9234/$FILE/990-9234_EN.pdf #9 shows you how to set a static ip if no DHCP server is available. Thought you might want to know. John Buwa We have a couple of them in our office waiting to be deployed at tower sites. The web interface is crap, it won't allow you to put in a subnet and default gateway. You have to set it to get a DHCP address to get those key routing numbers inserted. I like the size and the price is right, I guess for $80 you shouldn't expect many management features. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:04 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Which model APC has Ethernet reboot for $80? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: G.Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Realay control or AC? Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet port for remote reboot ... $80 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Hi all. I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller. It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a relay off or on remotely Oh, before I forget, cheap, too! Any ideas? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 10/21/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot
Try this, all our towers have this installed, it even pings for an auto reboot, $300 is cheep ! http://www.corpsys.com/store/prodinfo.asp?number=EPCRvariation=aitem=3mitem=20 Chuck Profito CV-ACCESS - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Thanks thats good to know. Since we don't run DHCP anywhere. Based on that, probably only good as a home unit, thats behind a home gateway w/ DHCP. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:59 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot We have a couple of them in our office waiting to be deployed at tower sites. The web interface is crap, it won't allow you to put in a subnet and default gateway. You have to set it to get a DHCP address to get those key routing numbers inserted. I like the size and the price is right, I guess for $80 you shouldn't expect many management features. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:04 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Which model APC has Ethernet reboot for $80? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: G.Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Realay control or AC? Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet port for remote reboot ... $80 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Hi all. I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller. It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a relay off or on remotely Oh, before I forget, cheap, too! Any ideas? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 10/21/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 10/21/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot
Ah got it. Ok that's stupid, lol. John Buwa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot It will let you set an IP address. You can't set a gateway or subnet mask -- Blair Davis West Michigan Wireless ISP JNA wrote: Rick, I just looked at the pdf manual http://sturgeon.apcc.com/techref.nsf/partnum/990-9234/$FILE/990- 9234_EN.pdf #9 shows you how to set a static ip if no DHCP server is available. Thought you might want to know. John Buwa We have a couple of them in our office waiting to be deployed at tower sites. The web interface is crap, it won't allow you to put in a subnet and default gateway. You have to set it to get a DHCP address to get those key routing numbers inserted. I like the size and the price is right, I guess for $80 you shouldn't expect many management features. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:04 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Which model APC has Ethernet reboot for $80? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: G.Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Realay control or AC? Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet port for remote reboot ... $80 Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot Hi all. I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller. It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a relay off or on remotely Oh, before I forget, cheap, too! Any ideas? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 10/21/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
