Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Frank Crawford]

Muto whins, Rick responds, George puffs up and threatens Dee, Dee apoligies,
Muto dis's the apology.

Very mature guy's.


- Original Message - 
From: "Frank Muto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


> That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote your
> products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, nothing
> wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in
paying
> for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA, then stop
> acting like one.
>
> Talking about products, pro-cons, best use, warranties etc., is all well
and
> good. But to directly solicit business on this WISPA list-srv with a
> competitive product, is not an acceptable practice in my opinion.
>
> Apology not accepted.
>
>
>
> Frank Muto
> President
> FSM Marketing Group, Inc
> Postini Partner Reseller
> www.SecureEmailPlus.com
>
> ISPCON Spring 2007
> May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
> LaunchPad Pavilion J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "W.D.McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
>
>
> > Hi Frank,
> >
> > I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda.
> > If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -Dee
> >
> >
> > Alaska Wireless Systems
> > 1(907)240-2183 Cell
> > 1(907)349-2226 Fax
> > 1(907)349-4308 Office
> > www.akwireless.net
> > Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller
> > Imagestream Router & WAN Cards
> > Force10 Networks Reseller
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Frank Muto
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: WISPA General List
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800
> > Subject:
> > Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
> >
> >
> >> As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I
take
> >> offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I
looked
> >> on
> >> the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a
> >> logo
> >> displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.
> >>
> >>
> >> Frank Muto
> >> President
> >> FSM Marketing Group, Inc
> >> Postini Partner Reseller
> >> www.SecureEmailPlus.com
> >>
> >> ISPCON Spring 2007
> >> May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
> >> LaunchPad Pavilion J
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "W.D.McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hi Folks,
> >> >
> >> > As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of
> >> > dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of
> >> > selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies
> >> > on
> >> > which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.
> >> >
> >> > We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them,
> >> > so
> >> > it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the
> >> > experienced
> >>
> >> > walk with a limp)
> >> >
> >> > We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail
for
> >> > WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > -Dee
> >> >
> >> > Alaska Wireless Systems
> >> > 1(907)240-2183 Cell
> >> > 1(907)349-2226 Fax
> >> > 1(907)349-4308 Office
> >> > www.akwireless.net
> >> >
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Waltonville Ethernet Run

[David E. Smith]

John Scrivner wrote:
We need to have Ron run a new Ethernet run at Waltonville. Is there a 
big enough opening in the outdoor case there to terminate the Cat 5 
before we send it up with Ron? Can Ron terminate Cat 5? We need to 
know these things before we send him up the tower obviously. This 
needs to be the first thing done tomorrow.

Um, wrong 'wireless' list, boss. :D

David Smith
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[WISPA] Waltonville Ethernet Run

[John Scrivner]

We need to have Ron run a new Ethernet run at Waltonville. Is there a 
big enough opening in the outdoor case there to terminate the Cat 5 
before we send it up with Ron? Can Ron terminate Cat 5? We need to know 
these things before we send him up the tower obviously. This needs to be 
the first thing done tomorrow.

Scriv

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Re: [WISPA] routers

[Butch Evans]

On Wed, 16 May 2007, Butch Evans wrote:


On Wed, 16 May 2007, Travis Johnson wrote:

Does anyone have a source for "generic" 802.11b firewall/routers 
that are cheap? The last two places have run out of stock.


Depends on what you mean by "cheap" and by "firewall".  For a 
router with real firewall capability you can go with Mikrotik 
RB133C at less than $100 with case, power supply and RouterOS.  If 
you want something "cheap" that is not really a "firewall", then 
I've always liked the Trendnet routers available all over the 
place.


Err that should be RB150 (not 133C).  The RB150 is 5 ethernet ports 
and no mini-pci.


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Re: [WISPA] routers

[Butch Evans]

On Wed, 16 May 2007, Travis Johnson wrote:

Does anyone have a source for "generic" 802.11b firewall/routers 
that are cheap? The last two places have run out of stock.


Depends on what you mean by "cheap" and by "firewall".  For a router 
with real firewall capability you can go with Mikrotik RB133C at 
less than $100 with case, power supply and RouterOS.  If you want 
something "cheap" that is not really a "firewall", then I've always 
liked the Trendnet routers available all over the place.


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[WISPA] routers

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

Does anyone have a source for "generic" 802.11b firewall/routers that 
are cheap? The last two places have run out of stock.


Travis
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Frank Muto]

That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote your 
products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, nothing 
wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in paying 
for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA, then stop 
acting like one.


Talking about products, pro-cons, best use, warranties etc., is all well and 
good. But to directly solicit business on this WISPA list-srv with a 
competitive product, is not an acceptable practice in my opinion.


Apology not accepted.



Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J









- Original Message - 
From: "W.D.McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Hi Frank,

I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda.
If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies.

Cheers,
-Dee


Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net
Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller
Imagestream Router & WAN Cards
Force10 Networks Reseller


- Original Message -
From: Frank Muto
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take
offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked 
on
the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a 
logo

displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.


Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J






- Original Message - 
From: "W.D.McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



> Hi Folks,
>
> As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of
> dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of
> selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies 
> on

> which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.
>
> We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, 
> so
> it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the 
> experienced


> walk with a limp)
>
> We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for
> WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.
>
> Cheers,
> -Dee
>
> Alaska Wireless Systems
> 1(907)240-2183 Cell
> 1(907)349-2226 Fax
> 1(907)349-4308 Office
> www.akwireless.net
>

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RE: [WISPA] Board Applications Available for Review

[Rick Harnish]

Peter,

The WISPA Board Election is scheduled for June 15, 2007.

Unfortunately, I will not be attending ISPCON this year as my daughter is
graduating that Friday night.  I will however be attending the Digital
Cities Convention in Chicago Tuesday and Wednesday.  I hate to miss ISPCON,
but it just won't fit in my "family" schedule this time.

I believe John Scrivner, Matt Larsen, Tom DeReggi and Mac Dearman will be
there, I'm not sure about any others.

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Board Applications Available for Review


11 great candidates.
Just a quick thank you to the Board members for bringing WISPA along 
this far.
Lots of forward thinking from the candidates.
When's the vote?

How many candidates will be at ISPCON?

Rick Harnish wrote:

>The election for the WISPA Board is coming up in a few weeks.  We have 11
>applicants for 7 Board positions.  These applications can be reviewed at
>http://nominations.wispa.org  .
>
> 
>
>Election instructions will be made as the election approaches.  
>
> 
>
>Respectfully,
>
> 
>
>Rick Harnish
>
>President
>
>OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc.
>
>260-827-2482
>
>Founding Member of WISPA
>  
>
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[W.D.McKinney]

Hi Frank,

I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda. 
If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies.

Cheers,
-Dee


Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net
Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller
Imagestream Router & WAN Cards
Force10 Networks Reseller


- Original Message -
From: Frank Muto
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


> As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take 
> offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on 
> the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo 
> displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.
> 
> 
> Frank Muto
> President
> FSM Marketing Group, Inc
> Postini Partner Reseller
> www.SecureEmailPlus.com
> 
> ISPCON Spring 2007
> May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
> LaunchPad Pavilion J
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "W.D.McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of 
> > dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of 
> > selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on 
> > which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.
> >
> > We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so 
> > it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced
> 
> > walk with a limp)
> >
> > We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for 
> > WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -Dee
> >
> > Alaska Wireless Systems
> > 1(907)240-2183 Cell
> > 1(907)349-2226 Fax
> > 1(907)349-4308 Office
> > www.akwireless.net
> >
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[George Rogato]

You were a bit nicer than I was Rick, and I actually like Dee.

George


Rick Harnish wrote:

I do have to agree with Frank here.  Dee, please contact the WISPA board if
you plan on promoting your sales position with Barracuda on this list,
especially at the expense of a paying Vendor member.I'm sure each
product has a place or a niche that works for some and doesn't work for
others.  There is no reason for one vendor to be slamming another on the
WISPA lists.  If you wish to become a vendor member, please go to
http://signup.wispa.org, then you will be able to send advertisements to the
list members and support our industry at the same time.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA



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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[George Rogato]

Frank, you are right on

Dee, you owe Frank Muto an immediate apology. Frank is a paid WISPA 
vendor member and has supported WISPA efforts in so many ways that no 
other vendor or wireless member has come close to.


You Dee, have been on the various wireless lists for many years and you 
fully understand the ramifications of your blatant advertizing post, 
which aside from being sneaky also bashes a WISPA member.


So the two things you need to do, is apologize to Frank and buy a 
membership or do not post any more advetizing baloney again.


If you don't apologize to Frank, you will be quickly removed.

I regret having to take this approach, but you Dee know the rules and 
this is where the rubber hits the road.


George

Frank Muto wrote:
As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take 
offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked 
on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a 
logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.



Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J






- Original Message - From: "W.D.McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Hi Folks,

As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of 
dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of 
selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies 
on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.


We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, 
so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the 
experienced walk with a limp)


We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for 
WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.


Cheers,
-Dee

Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net





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RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Rick Harnish]

I do have to agree with Frank here.  Dee, please contact the WISPA board if
you plan on promoting your sales position with Barracuda on this list,
especially at the expense of a paying Vendor member.I'm sure each
product has a place or a niche that works for some and doesn't work for
others.  There is no reason for one vendor to be slamming another on the
WISPA lists.  If you wish to become a vendor member, please go to
http://signup.wispa.org, then you will be able to send advertisements to the
list members and support our industry at the same time.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Frank Muto
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take 
offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on 
the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo 
displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.


Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J






- Original Message - 
From: "W.D.McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Hi Folks,
>
> As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of 
> dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of 
> selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on 
> which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.
>
> We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so 
> it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced

> walk with a limp)
>
> We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for 
> WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.
>
> Cheers,
> -Dee
>
> Alaska Wireless Systems
> 1(907)240-2183 Cell
> 1(907)349-2226 Fax
> 1(907)349-4308 Office
> www.akwireless.net
>

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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Frank Muto]

As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take 
offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on 
the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo 
displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.



Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J






- Original Message - 
From: "W.D.McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>




Hi Folks,

As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of 
dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of 
selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on 
which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.


We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so 
it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced 
walk with a limp)


We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for 
WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.


Cheers,
-Dee

Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net



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Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

[Sam Tetherow]

What part of the CALEA stuff requires an NDA?

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Law enforcement stuff.

Google hasn't signed the needed NDA so we can't host the docs there.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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1999!

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- Original Message - From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Cc: "Principal WISPA Member List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing



Just out of curiousity, what privacy requirements are you trying to meet
that aren't met by Google Docs?

Thanks,
Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies

On 5/16/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:


Hi All,

The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online.  We need 
to be
able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get 
left

off.

We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements 
we're
unable to do that now.  We have to have the same functionality on 
one of

our
servers.  Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way?

The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site.

thanks!
Marlon
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Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

[David E. Smith]

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Can't use that either.  HAS to be inhouse.
Okay, I don't quite follow what you're looking for, then. SharePoint is 
a fancy Web server widget, that you'd run on one of your own machines 
(that's already running IIS 6). Kinda like the FrontPage extensions, 
only not.


If by "inhouse" you mean "something you developed internally" nobody on 
this list can help you. :)


dave
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Ross Cornett]

I appreciate it, but the financial side of it has my attention. .It is truly 
a depreciable asset as long As I own it.  I would lose that if I sold it.


So, i will still shoot it... and place it in a trophy case and thenpost the 
video for you all to see.  I will call it barracuda hunting... lol


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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:26 PM
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Butch Evans wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote:


NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it...


Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I
may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much).



Okay, sixty dollars, but that's my final offer. :)

My point really was that, since the Barracuda is "just" PC hardware,
it's not a total loss (and probably not worth shooting). Even if you
don't want to filter email with it, it still has some value. (From what
I know of how they're built, I'd guess a recent Barracuda 400, which
retails for about $4000, is probably worth $1000 or so from the hardware
included. Paradoxically, the older ones are probably worth a bit more,
as they had a hardware RAID controller instead of using Linux software
RAID.)

If you really were gonna shoot it (and that wasn't just a gesture of
frustration), seriously, between Butch Evans and I, we'll find a good
home for it (that has nothing to do with email).

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Ross Cornett]

I have it on a 3 year amort so I would have to have at least $500 for it I 
can still shoot it and keep it on my shelf as an asset...If I sell it I 
loose the depreciation from the books...LOL
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On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote:


NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it...


Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may 
have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much).


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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Ross Cornett]

straight from Barracuda
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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:48 PM
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Ross,

Who did you buy that unit from? If you boaught it from a reseller, please 
contact them if you haven't yet.


-Dee


Alaska Wireless Systems
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it...

Ross

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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:16 PM
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> Ross Cornett wrote:
>
>> No buy
>> back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and 
>> try

>> to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away.
>
> Dude, I'll totally give you fifty bucks for it.
>
> (I'm serious.)
>
> If you're not interested in using it as a Barracuda, hey, it's still a
> decent 1U rackmount PC. Pop it open, connect a CD or DVD drive, install
> your favorite Linux or BSD, call it a server.
>
> David Smith
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RE: [WISPA] online doc sharing

[Cliff Leboeuf]

http://www.docushare.com/

Also have a 30-day free trial.



-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

Law enforcement stuff.

Google hasn't signed the needed NDA so we can't host the docs there.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Cc: "Principal WISPA Member List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing


> Just out of curiousity, what privacy requirements are you trying to
meet
> that aren't met by Google Docs?
>
> Thanks,
> Clint Ricker
> Kentnis Technologies
>
> On 5/16/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online.  We need
to be
>> able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get
left
>> off.
>>
>> We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements 
>> we're
>> unable to do that now.  We have to have the same functionality on one
of
>> our
>> servers.  Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way?
>>
>> The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site.
>>
>> thanks!
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
>> 1999!
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
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Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Law enforcement stuff.

Google hasn't signed the needed NDA so we can't host the docs there.

Marlon
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- Original Message - 
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To: "WISPA General List" 
Cc: "Principal WISPA Member List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing



Just out of curiousity, what privacy requirements are you trying to meet
that aren't met by Google Docs?

Thanks,
Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies

On 5/16/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi All,

The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online.  We need to be
able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left
off.

We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements 
we're

unable to do that now.  We have to have the same functionality on one of
our
servers.  Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way?

The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site.

thanks!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Can't use that either.  HAS to be inhouse.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:10 PM
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David E. Smith wrote:


Sounds like a job for Microsoft SharePoint. The downside there is that
you have to find someone that knows how it works. :(

A regular revision control package like CVS or SubVersion won't work
well for this, as it's proprietary binary data. MS SharePoint, though,
would work perfectly with MS Word.

David Smith
MVN.net


intermedia.Net, 1and1.com or a free trial:
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Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Can't use anything public like that.  We're working on sensitive data and 
the parties involved don't want anyone from outside the involved companies 
to have access to it.


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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:30 PM
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Try google docs and spreadsheets.  Free and easy...

David

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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

OK, what is that?

Sorry guys, but I'm swamped and ignorant  grin

I just need to know what to put on a server (or whatever) that'll do the
trick for us.  And, naturally, I'm in a hurry for it.

Any and all help would be much appreciated.

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I would check into using a revision control system such as subversion. I
believe it will handle word docs properly.


Ryan

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Hi All,

The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online.  We need to be
able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left
off.

We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements
we're unable to do that now.  We have to have the same functionality on
one of our servers.  Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up
this way?

The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site.

thanks!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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1999!
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Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

[Clint Ricker]

Just out of curiousity, what privacy requirements are you trying to meet
that aren't met by Google Docs?

Thanks,
Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies

On 5/16/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi All,

The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online.  We need to be
able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left
off.

We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements we're
unable to do that now.  We have to have the same functionality on one of
our
servers.  Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way?

The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site.

thanks!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
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RE: [WISPA] MTU BPL

[Don Renner]

The Motorola Solution I have used is 10-14Mbps total. Works like a hub in
capacity.  Have later technology should be out real soon now ;) (new chip
set) that will take to 35-50Mbps.

Don Renner
NetsurfUSA, Inc.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MTU BPL

Telkonet has an in-house BPL (isn't this like HPNA?) solution.

Now there is paint that can keep the RF from leaking outside the walls.

Zack Kneisley wrote:

> If it was the article in Tessco Wireless Journal, it was 8-12 specs 
> and "one
> test showed that the network in the apartment building was supporting 
> speeds
> of 15 Mbps" Mind this is a distributor that sells the gear telling these
> stories, so take it with a grain of salt.
>
>
> On 5/16/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>> I have been against BPL due to RF pollution.  That said, a technical
>> evolution could resolve some of those issues.
>>
>> I recently saw an article about Moto's MTU BPL solutions and was 
>> wondering
>> if anyone here has worked with them.  Does anyone else have a 
>> internal BPL
>> system (meaning not what the power company would use) that is of a 
>> higher
>> class than what you'd get at Best Buy?
>>
>> I saw that some of that consumer gear would do 85 megs (really about
>> 25).  That article said that the Moto gear does 8 - 12 megs, observed 
>> peak
>> of 25.  Is that sort of speed par for the course?  Is that per 
>> circuit or
>> gross?  8 megs to a whole building isn't much, though 8 megs to each is
>> attractive.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>
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Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

[Peter R.]

David E. Smith wrote:


Sounds like a job for Microsoft SharePoint. The downside there is that
you have to find someone that knows how it works. :(

A regular revision control package like CVS or SubVersion won't work
well for this, as it's proprietary binary data. MS SharePoint, though,
would work perfectly with MS Word.

David Smith
MVN.net
 


intermedia.Net, 1and1.com or a free trial:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsserver/sharepoint/V2/techinfo/trial.mspx

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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Peter R.]

George Rogato wrote:


David E. Smith wrote:


JohnnyO wrote:


Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other
Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for
this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm.




This is why I can't consider an outsourced email plan.

Aside from a couple thousand email accounts, I also offer imap and 
have an unlimited quota to quite a few subs that use their imap 
feature to hold emails or to send very large files.


Makes it hard when outsourced has these limits to work around.

But I'm sure there are many who could benefit from outsourced mail.

George


Do any of you offer Blackberry open source like open x-change or funambol?

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Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

[David E. Smith]

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

> The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online.  We need to
> be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get
> left off.

Sounds like a job for Microsoft SharePoint. The downside there is that
you have to find someone that knows how it works. :(

A regular revision control package like CVS or SubVersion won't work
well for this, as it's proprietary binary data. MS SharePoint, though,
would work perfectly with MS Word.

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

[Peter R.]

I meant, Zimbra - Comcast is using it. (See here: 
http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2007/05/open-source-or-free-web-apps.html)


Dylan Bouterse wrote:


Kimbra?

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

Would ThinkFree work?
http://online.thinkfree.com/

Or Talk& Write
http://www.talkandwrite.com/english/index.php

Or Active Collab:
http://www.activecollab.com/

OpenOffice.org?

HyperOffice or Kimbra if anyone is using it.

BTW, these are great tools that you can offer your clients for
stickiness.


Regards,

Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO, Inc.



Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

 


Hi All,

The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online.  We need to 

be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or 
get left off.


We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements 
we're unable to do that now.  We have to have the same functionality 
on one of our servers.  Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way?


The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site.

thanks!
Marlon
   



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Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

[Ryan Langseth]

Subversion is a Revision Control System, used by Code monkeys (software 
developers) to store code.  Its pretty good at fixing conflicts in text 
documents.


I did some googling, it does not work as as well for word documents 
conflicts since they are binary data.  Conflicts happen when the 
document changes more than expected between developers.  If you do not 
expect much parallel changes to the documents it would probably work fine.



Ryan

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

OK, what is that?

Sorry guys, but I'm swamped and ignorant  grin

I just need to know what to put on a server (or whatever) that'll do the 
trick for us.  And, naturally, I'm in a hurry for it.


Any and all help would be much appreciated.

Marlon
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: "Ryan Langseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing


I would check into using a revision control system such as subversion. 
I believe it will handle word docs properly.



Ryan

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Hi All,

The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online.  We need 
to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap 
or get left off.


We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements 
we're unable to do that now.  We have to have the same functionality 
on one of our servers.  Anyone know how to get one of the machines 
set up this way?


The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site.

thanks!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
1999!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
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Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

OK, what is that?

Sorry guys, but I'm swamped and ignorant  grin

I just need to know what to put on a server (or whatever) that'll do the 
trick for us.  And, naturally, I'm in a hurry for it.


Any and all help would be much appreciated.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - 
From: "Ryan Langseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing


I would check into using a revision control system such as subversion. I 
believe it will handle word docs properly.



Ryan

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Hi All,

The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online.  We need to be 
able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left 
off.


We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements 
we're unable to do that now.  We have to have the same functionality on 
one of our servers.  Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up 
this way?


The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site.

thanks!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
1999!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
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RE: [WISPA] online doc sharing

[David Peterson]

Try google docs and spreadsheets.  Free and easy...

David

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. 
Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

OK, what is that?

Sorry guys, but I'm swamped and ignorant  grin

I just need to know what to put on a server (or whatever) that'll do the 
trick for us.  And, naturally, I'm in a hurry for it.

Any and all help would be much appreciated.

Marlon
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(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - 
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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing


>I would check into using a revision control system such as subversion. I 
>believe it will handle word docs properly.
>
>
> Ryan
>
> Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online.  We need to be 
>> able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left 
>> off.
>>
>> We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements 
>> we're unable to do that now.  We have to have the same functionality on 
>> one of our servers.  Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up 
>> this way?
>>
>> The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site.
>>
>> thanks!
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
>> 1999!
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

[Peter R.]

Would ThinkFree work?
http://online.thinkfree.com/

Or Talk& Write
http://www.talkandwrite.com/english/index.php

Or Active Collab:
http://www.activecollab.com/

OpenOffice.org?

HyperOffice or Kimbra if anyone is using it.

BTW, these are great tools that you can offer your clients for stickiness.


Regards,

Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO, Inc.



Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


Hi All,

The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online.  We need to 
be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or 
get left off.


We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements 
we're unable to do that now.  We have to have the same functionality 
on one of our servers.  Anyone know how to get one of the machines set 
up this way?


The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site.

thanks!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
1999!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
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Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

[Ryan Langseth]

I would check into using a revision control system such as subversion. I 
believe it will handle word docs properly.



Ryan

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Hi All,

The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online.  We need to 
be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get 
left off.


We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements 
we're unable to do that now.  We have to have the same functionality on 
one of our servers.  Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up 
this way?


The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site.

thanks!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[David E. Smith]

Butch Evans wrote:
> On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote:
> 
>> NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it...
> 
> Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I
> may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much).
> 

Okay, sixty dollars, but that's my final offer. :)

My point really was that, since the Barracuda is "just" PC hardware,
it's not a total loss (and probably not worth shooting). Even if you
don't want to filter email with it, it still has some value. (From what
I know of how they're built, I'd guess a recent Barracuda 400, which
retails for about $4000, is probably worth $1000 or so from the hardware
included. Paradoxically, the older ones are probably worth a bit more,
as they had a hardware RAID controller instead of using Linux software
RAID.)

If you really were gonna shoot it (and that wasn't just a gesture of
frustration), seriously, between Butch Evans and I, we'll find a good
home for it (that has nothing to do with email).

David Smith
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[WISPA] online doc sharing

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Hi All,

The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online.  We need to be 
able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left 
off.


We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements we're 
unable to do that now.  We have to have the same functionality on one of our 
servers.  Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way?


The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site.

thanks!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[George Rogato]

David E. Smith wrote:

JohnnyO wrote:

Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other
Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for
this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm.


This is why I can't consider an outsourced email plan.

Aside from a couple thousand email accounts, I also offer imap and have 
an unlimited quota to quite a few subs that use their imap feature to 
hold emails or to send very large files.


Makes it hard when outsourced has these limits to work around.

But I'm sure there are many who could benefit from outsourced mail.

George
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Butch Evans]

On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote:


NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it...


Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? 
I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much).


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Re: [WISPA] MTU BPL

[Peter R.]

Telkonet has an in-house BPL (isn't this like HPNA?) solution.

Now there is paint that can keep the RF from leaking outside the walls.

Zack Kneisley wrote:

If it was the article in Tessco Wireless Journal, it was 8-12 specs 
and "one
test showed that the network in the apartment building was supporting 
speeds

of 15 Mbps" Mind this is a distributor that sells the gear telling these
stories, so take it with a grain of salt.


On 5/16/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I have been against BPL due to RF pollution.  That said, a technical
evolution could resolve some of those issues.

I recently saw an article about Moto's MTU BPL solutions and was 
wondering
if anyone here has worked with them.  Does anyone else have a 
internal BPL
system (meaning not what the power company would use) that is of a 
higher

class than what you'd get at Best Buy?

I saw that some of that consumer gear would do 85 megs (really about
25).  That article said that the Moto gear does 8 - 12 megs, observed 
peak
of 25.  Is that sort of speed par for the course?  Is that per 
circuit or

gross?  8 megs to a whole building isn't much, though 8 megs to each is
attractive.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[W.D.McKinney]

Ross,

Who did you buy that unit from? If you boaught it from a reseller, please 
contact them if you haven't yet.

-Dee


Alaska Wireless Systems
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- Original Message -
From: Ross Cornett
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To: WISPA General List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:23:08 -0800
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


> NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it...
> 
> Ross
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
> 
> 
> > Ross Cornett wrote:
> > 
> >> No buy
> >> back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try
> >> to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away.
> > 
> > Dude, I'll totally give you fifty bucks for it.
> > 
> > (I'm serious.)
> > 
> > If you're not interested in using it as a Barracuda, hey, it's still a
> > decent 1U rackmount PC. Pop it open, connect a CD or DVD drive, install
> > your favorite Linux or BSD, call it a server.
> > 
> > David Smith
> > MVN>net
> > -- 
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Re: [WISPA] MTU BPL

[Mike Hammett]

oh, yeah, I fat fingered that 15 into a 25.

That's why I came here, to see if anyone knows anything.  They have the same 
story on the Moto web site.



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From: "Zack Kneisley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MTU BPL


If it was the article in Tessco Wireless Journal, it was 8-12 specs and 
"one
test showed that the network in the apartment building was supporting 
speeds

of 15 Mbps" Mind this is a distributor that sells the gear telling these
stories, so take it with a grain of salt.


On 5/16/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have been against BPL due to RF pollution.  That said, a technical
evolution could resolve some of those issues.

I recently saw an article about Moto's MTU BPL solutions and was 
wondering
if anyone here has worked with them.  Does anyone else have a internal 
BPL

system (meaning not what the power company would use) that is of a higher
class than what you'd get at Best Buy?

I saw that some of that consumer gear would do 85 megs (really about
25).  That article said that the Moto gear does 8 - 12 megs, observed 
peak

of 25.  Is that sort of speed par for the course?  Is that per circuit or
gross?  8 megs to a whole building isn't much, though 8 megs to each is
attractive.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Ross Cornett]

NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it...

Ross

- Original Message - 
From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:


No buy
back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try
to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away.


Dude, I'll totally give you fifty bucks for it.

(I'm serious.)

If you're not interested in using it as a Barracuda, hey, it's still a
decent 1U rackmount PC. Pop it open, connect a CD or DVD drive, install
your favorite Linux or BSD, call it a server.

David Smith
MVN>net
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Re: [WISPA] MTU BPL

[Zack Kneisley]

If it was the article in Tessco Wireless Journal, it was 8-12 specs and "one
test showed that the network in the apartment building was supporting speeds
of 15 Mbps" Mind this is a distributor that sells the gear telling these
stories, so take it with a grain of salt.


On 5/16/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have been against BPL due to RF pollution.  That said, a technical
evolution could resolve some of those issues.

I recently saw an article about Moto's MTU BPL solutions and was wondering
if anyone here has worked with them.  Does anyone else have a internal BPL
system (meaning not what the power company would use) that is of a higher
class than what you'd get at Best Buy?

I saw that some of that consumer gear would do 85 megs (really about
25).  That article said that the Moto gear does 8 - 12 megs, observed peak
of 25.  Is that sort of speed par for the course?  Is that per circuit or
gross?  8 megs to a whole building isn't much, though 8 megs to each is
attractive.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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Re: [WISPA] Malware monitor Device

[Bo Hamilton]

Mac what are you doing on this list?  Did you get lost?  (laughing spilling
coffee on the keyboard)

Bo

On 5/15/07, Mac Dearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> If you're interested in one, talk to Mac Dearman. His company is a
> Barracuda reseller, and Mac's just a generally swell guy regardless. :)
>
> David Smith
> MVN.net

[Mac says:]

OK David -

What are you up to?

Are you in jail again and need bail money? :-)

Mac

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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[David E. Smith]

JohnnyO wrote:
> Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other
> Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for
> this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm.
> 
> This is what I originally stated might offend some of the "barracuda
> owners" here.

The costs vary, of course. If you're a very small outfit (with only a
few hundred email addresses), outsourcing is probably more
cost-effective. Larger outfits may benefit from doing things in-house.

I once crunched the numbers, and our Barracuda is saving my boss several
hundred a month over Postini (and that included a WISPA-specific
discount), but we're juggling a few thousand email addresses.

Sometimes it's the other way around, of course. Really, the only way to
be sure of what's going on for you is to talk to a couple vendors and
see what's best for your company.

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[David E. Smith]

Ross Cornett wrote:

> No buy
> back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try
> to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away.

Dude, I'll totally give you fifty bucks for it.

(I'm serious.)

If you're not interested in using it as a Barracuda, hey, it's still a
decent 1U rackmount PC. Pop it open, connect a CD or DVD drive, install
your favorite Linux or BSD, call it a server.

David Smith
MVN>net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Zack Kneisley]

http://www.altn.com/ offers Mdaemon, an in-house email platform. I have
personaly been using it for 6 years and am very happy with its anti-spam and
anti-virus capability. It also has the option for a groupware addon that
gives it a exchange shared folders type of use. I'll attach the last weekly
report of what it handled as far as spam and viruses, this particular server
services about 1400 accounts, open with wordpad. Also, note that the spam
rejected is what was determined spam before the bayesian filter is even
used. (blacklisted ip's, known spam ip's, hosts that their domain keys don't
match, quite a few other things. The "spam accepted" tells what got
determined spam after it was read through the Bayesian filtering, and
subsequently, placed in the users "Junk-Mail" folder available via web mail
or IMAP.

It does the job, and does it very well. I *Might* get 2 messages that are
spam and about 1 false positive a month.
I like being able to troubleshoot a problem when it's in my server room
rather in a data center, but I rarely have any problems. Outsourcing = no
control.

Zack

On 5/16/07, W.D.McKinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi Folks,

As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of
dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling
a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which
entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.

We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so
it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced
walk with a limp)

We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for
WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.

Cheers,
-Dee

Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net



- Original Message -
From: JohnnyO
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:37:14 -0800
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


> Barracuda should offer a "buy back" option for people who purchase
directly
> from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of
> equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it
any
> longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I
guess
> now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid
> policy then it was worth putting in their agreement.
>
> JohnnyO
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ross Cornett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
>
>
> > Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that.  I am diggin in
> > deeper to better understand their policy.  But, they did tell me they
will
>
> > not support a device that they did not sell directly.
> >
> > Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement.  Since you have
to
> > agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list
if I
> > find any better answer.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
> >
> >
> >>I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at
> >>Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow
the
> >>new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them,
I
> >>did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand
> >>hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to
> >>Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new
> >>owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able
to
> >>tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue
> >>support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not
buy
> >>support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit
can
> >>be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not
support
>
> >>it with new spam and virus signature updates.
> >>
> >> There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad
> >> experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that
was
> >> being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for
transferring
>
> >> used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find.
> >> Scriv
> >>
> >>
> >> Ross Cornett wrote:
> >>
> >>> understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months...
> >>> couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to
> >>> Postini.
> >>>
> >>> thanks.
> >>> - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
> >>>
> >>>
>  Ross Cornett wrot

RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Jeff Broadwick]

Cisco?  *ducking and running away in a serpentine fashion* 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

Like Microsoft?  If you read user agreements, you will find that many
software vendors do not allow license transfer.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

Mike Hammett wrote:
> I'd refuse to do business with a company like that.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
>
>
>> Ross Cornett wrote:
>>> I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.  
>>> Switched
>>> from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. 
>>> Had to go back to postini.
>>>
>>> So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a 
>>> deal
>>
>> Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with 
>> Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months 
>> back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they 
>> wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand.
>>
>> There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, 
>> but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with "used" 
>> units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. 
>> (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's 
>> how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.)
>>
>> David Smith
>> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[JohnnyO]

Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other 
Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this 
type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm.


This is what I originally stated might offend some of the "barracuda owners" 
here.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "W.D.McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Hi Folks,

As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of 
dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling 
a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which 
entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.


We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it 
depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk 
with a limp)


We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for 
WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.


Cheers,
-Dee

Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net



- Original Message -
From: JohnnyO
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:37:14 -0800
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Barracuda should offer a "buy back" option for people who purchase 
directly

from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of
equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it 
any

longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I guess
now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid
policy then it was worth putting in their agreement.

JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Ross Cornett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


> Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that.  I am diggin in
> deeper to better understand their policy.  But, they did tell me they 
> will


> not support a device that they did not sell directly.
>
> Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement.  Since you have to
> agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if 
> I

> find any better answer.
>
> Ross
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
>
>
>>I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at
>>Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the
>>new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I
>>did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand
>>hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to
>>Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new
>>owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able 
>>to

>>tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue
>>support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy
>>support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can
>>be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not 
>>support


>>it with new spam and virus signature updates.
>>
>> There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad
>> experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that 
>> was
>> being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for 
>> transferring


>> used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find.
>> Scriv
>>
>>
>> Ross Cornett wrote:
>>
>>> understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months...
>>> couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to
>>> Postini.
>>>
>>> thanks.
>>> - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
>>>
>>>
 Ross Cornett wrote:

> I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.
> Switched
> from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.
> Had to go back to postini.
>
> So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a 
> deal



 Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with 
 Barracuda
 first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I 
 picked

 up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate
 it
 or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

 There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, 
 but

 I
 got the impression that they don't like dealing with 

RE: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless

[michael mulcay]

John,

This is probably the only opportunity the small guys (WISPs) will have
to compete on an even playing field with the big guys for spectrum that
supports WiMax products.

The first step is a favorable ruling from the FCC and then the filing of
a standard application for a Part 101 license.  

 We are told that the equipment cost per subordinated path will be less
than $500 and FCC certified equipment will be available ninety days
after a favorable FCC ruling

WSI would be please to discuss technical details, business strategies
and the enormous opportunities of concurrent coordination with any WISP
off list.  

Mike

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 6:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless

Mike,
If we support your request for declaratory ruling what steps would be 
required for us to get our own licensed multipoint Part 101 based 
network deployment in our areas? What equipment is available now if any?

What are the costs? How do you make money on this type of deal? I want 
to understand the logistics of actually using this in my network if we 
get the go ahead to do so.
Many thanks,
John Scrivner


michael mulcay wrote:

>Concurrently coordinated networks are Licensed Carrier Grade, which
>means we no longer have to take second place to the big guys. Wireless
>Strategies Inc (WSI) decided to focus on carrier grade backhaul where
we
>believe the GPM is higher and the COS lower than for the home
subscriber
>market. 
>
>The $500 number was for 802.16 based CPE and was a conservative number.
>My guess is that 802.16 product prices will end up similar to 802.11
>prices.
>
>We budget conservatively and plan for a Part 101 license to cost about
>$2500 with another $2500 for the Prior Coordination. For this we have
>enough spectrum (60MHz at 6GHz) to serve hundreds of clients. The
>throughput is 134Mbps burstable to 268Mbps. 
>
>I agree that asking the FCC for a rule change or a waiver would be
>difficult, especially to get the FCC allow one foot antennas. That is
>why NO RULE CHANGE OR WAIVER IS NEEDED. We engineered paths in a city
>that could support legacy and concurrently coordinated networks,
applied
>for and have received licenses. To remove any uncertainty that an
>antenna system with radiating elements (it is the radiating elements
>that can have any type or size of radiator), is allowed UNDER EXISTING
>RULES, we sent a Request for a Declaratory Ruling to the FCC asking for
>confirmation that any antenna system, and specifically an antenna
system
>with radiating elements, that meets all the present regulations is
>allowed. I would be pleased to send you individual copies of the
>request.
>
>Our concern is that the big guys will make a "land grab" for spectrum
>before the small, and often under funded, operators have staked their
>claim. For most investors to put money into network construction they
>want all perceived regulatory uncertainty removed.
>This is why we are asking the FCC to remove any uncertainty.
>Mike
>831-659-5618
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
>Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:12 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless
>
>I talked to Mike for quite a while the other day.
>
>I think this idea warrants some discussion.
>
>On the one hand, the idea that we can use the cheap, arguably
>underutilized 
>6 gig band for licensed ptmp links has some draw for me.  It's also an
>idea 
>that the FCC has already hinted at a year or three ago (SPTF maybe???).
>
>On the other hand, any licensed bands seem to almost always wind up in
>the 
>hands of people that don't deploy with it.  At least not broadband.
>
>And, as our "tower" sites get ever more loaded with the access points
>needed 
>to service customers, many of us will likely eventually move to
licensed
>
>bands for backhaul.  It would be a shame to not have licensed ptp only 
>spectrum available.  Well, it could easily become a shame
>
>laters,
>Marlon
>(509) 982-2181
>(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
>1999!
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "michael mulcay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:23 PM
>Subject: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless
>
>
>  
>
>>Guys,
>>
>>As we wireless operators know, the costs of licensed networks
>>(equipment, antennas and licensing) makes providing services to the
>>majority of subscribers prohibitively expensive, and the cost at
>>
>>
>auction
>  
>
>>for spectrum (for WiMax and 4G products) is beyond the reach of most
>>
>>
>of
>  
>
>>us.
>>
>>To overcome these problems, two years ag

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Ross Cornett]

their 2 concerns I noted are their margins and their liability of customer 
data being passed onto the buyer and puting a companies data at risk and be 
sued..  They fear being sued because of the data that this box captures, 
they made the box, so they are liable for it. Kind of like a gun 
manufacturer, match manufacturers, knife manufacturers...and so on...get 
their paranoid view yet, when it can all be managed by wipeing or replaceing 
a hard drive... oh well...


They will not budge on this.  I told them I would inform the industry and it 
will impact their future sales I am certain.


Ross

- Original Message - 
From: "Brandon Brownlee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



You may consider leasing the server? Perhaps you can deal with support and
licensing and lease it to a third party. Maybe get some roi anyway.

Brandon

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ross Cornett
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

Ok.  It is final.  You cannot resell your Barracuda box to anyone and 
expect


Barracuda to license it.  I just spoke with a VP of sales and he said just
that.  I told him that they should tell people this when they buy them and
he told me they "try" to tell everyone.  I will tell you this I wasn't
told.  $2500 later it isn't worth a dime.

I did ask why they cannot refurb the machine for a fee and then allow it 
to
be resold.  They told me it wasn't policy to do this.  I look at it as 
this

is how they are protecting their margins on new sales.  No buy back no
resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint 
a
smiley face on it from 200 yards away.  Oh, he did mention that it is 
still
a functioning server if I wanted to use as such.   Anyway, end of thread 
for


me.  I just want you all to know this if you consider purchasing one. 
Stay

with it for 3 years or you lost your investment.

Thanks for the headsup on this guys.  Now we know.   I hope I stuck to the
facts with no rumor or bad info.

Ross



- Original Message - 
From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Like Microsoft?  If you read user agreements, you will find that many
software vendors do not allow license transfer.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Mike Hammett wrote:

I'd refuse to do business with a company like that.


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- Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:

I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.
Switched
from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.
Had to go back to postini.

So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal


Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate 
it

or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but 
I

got the impression that they don't like dealing with "used" units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may 
want

to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Brandon Brownlee]

You may consider leasing the server? Perhaps you can deal with support and
licensing and lease it to a third party. Maybe get some roi anyway.

Brandon

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ross Cornett
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

Ok.  It is final.  You cannot resell your Barracuda box to anyone and expect

Barracuda to license it.  I just spoke with a VP of sales and he said just 
that.  I told him that they should tell people this when they buy them and 
he told me they "try" to tell everyone.  I will tell you this I wasn't 
told.  $2500 later it isn't worth a dime.

I did ask why they cannot refurb the machine for a fee and then allow it to 
be resold.  They told me it wasn't policy to do this.  I look at it as this 
is how they are protecting their margins on new sales.  No buy back no 
resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a 
smiley face on it from 200 yards away.  Oh, he did mention that it is still 
a functioning server if I wanted to use as such.   Anyway, end of thread for

me.  I just want you all to know this if you consider purchasing one.  Stay 
with it for 3 years or you lost your investment.

Thanks for the headsup on this guys.  Now we know.   I hope I stuck to the 
facts with no rumor or bad info.

Ross



- Original Message - 
From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


> Like Microsoft?  If you read user agreements, you will find that many 
> software vendors do not allow license transfer.
>
>Sam Tetherow
>Sandhills Wireless
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> I'd refuse to do business with a company like that.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
>>
>>
>>> Ross Cornett wrote:
 I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. 
 Switched
 from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. 
 Had to go back to postini.

 So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal
>>>
>>> Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
>>> first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
>>> up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
>>> or provide me service, as it was second-hand.
>>>
>>> There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
>>> got the impression that they don't like dealing with "used" units,
>>> period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
>>> to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
>>> update subscriptions and whatnot.)
>>>
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Ross Cornett]

Ok.  It is final.  You cannot resell your Barracuda box to anyone and expect 
Barracuda to license it.  I just spoke with a VP of sales and he said just 
that.  I told him that they should tell people this when they buy them and 
he told me they "try" to tell everyone.  I will tell you this I wasn't 
told.  $2500 later it isn't worth a dime.


I did ask why they cannot refurb the machine for a fee and then allow it to 
be resold.  They told me it wasn't policy to do this.  I look at it as this 
is how they are protecting their margins on new sales.  No buy back no 
resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a 
smiley face on it from 200 yards away.  Oh, he did mention that it is still 
a functioning server if I wanted to use as such.   Anyway, end of thread for 
me.  I just want you all to know this if you consider purchasing one.  Stay 
with it for 3 years or you lost your investment.


Thanks for the headsup on this guys.  Now we know.   I hope I stuck to the 
facts with no rumor or bad info.


Ross



- Original Message - 
From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Like Microsoft?  If you read user agreements, you will find that many 
software vendors do not allow license transfer.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Mike Hammett wrote:

I'd refuse to do business with a company like that.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:
I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. 
Switched
from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. 
Had to go back to postini.


So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal


Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
got the impression that they don't like dealing with "used" units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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[WISPA] MTU BPL

[Mike Hammett]

I have been against BPL due to RF pollution.  That said, a technical evolution 
could resolve some of those issues.

I recently saw an article about Moto's MTU BPL solutions and was wondering if 
anyone here has worked with them.  Does anyone else have a internal BPL system 
(meaning not what the power company would use) that is of a higher class than 
what you'd get at Best Buy?

I saw that some of that consumer gear would do 85 megs (really about 25).  That 
article said that the Moto gear does 8 - 12 megs, observed peak of 25.  Is that 
sort of speed par for the course?  Is that per circuit or gross?  8 megs to a 
whole building isn't much, though 8 megs to each is attractive.


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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[W.D.McKinney]

Hi Folks,

As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing 
with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used 
Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are 
dealing with as to the answer you will get.

We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it 
depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk 
with a limp)

We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's 
as they frequently need a lower cost solution.

Cheers,
-Dee 

Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
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- Original Message -
From: JohnnyO
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:37:14 -0800
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


> Barracuda should offer a "buy back" option for people who purchase directly 
> from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of 
> equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it any 
> longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I guess 
> now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid 
> policy then it was worth putting in their agreement.
> 
> JohnnyO
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ross Cornett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
> 
> 
> > Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that.  I am diggin in 
> > deeper to better understand their policy.  But, they did tell me they will
> 
> > not support a device that they did not sell directly.
> >
> > Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement.  Since you have to 
> > agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I 
> > find any better answer.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
> >
> >
> >>I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at 
> >>Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the 
> >>new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I 
> >>did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand 
> >>hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to 
> >>Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new 
> >>owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to 
> >>tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue 
> >>support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy 
> >>support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can 
> >>be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support
> 
> >>it with new spam and virus signature updates.
> >>
> >> There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad 
> >> experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was 
> >> being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring
> 
> >> used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find.
> >> Scriv
> >>
> >>
> >> Ross Cornett wrote:
> >>
> >>> understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months... 
> >>> couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to 
> >>> Postini.
> >>>
> >>> thanks.
> >>> - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
> >>>
> >>>
>  Ross Cornett wrote:
> 
> > I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. 
> > Switched
> > from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.
> > Had to go back to postini.
> >
> > So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal
> 
> 
>  Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
>  first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
>  up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate 
>  it
>  or provide me service, as it was second-hand.
> 
>  There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but 
>  I
>  got the impression that they don't like dealing with "used" units,
>  period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may 
>  want
>  to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
>  update subscriptions and whatnot.)
> 
>  David Smith
>  MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON

[Sam Tetherow]

Got to love google :)

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=howl+at+the+moon+orlando,+fl&ie=UTF8&z=11&om=1

Sounds like a cool place and looks to be only about 10 blocks away.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

Dylan Bouterse wrote:

Howl at the Moon (Piano Bar) is right down there. Good times.

Dylan
  


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Re: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON

[Sam Tetherow]

I'm at the Best Western just up the street (I think Google put it .8 
miles from the Rosen, still stumblin' distance).


No clue if it has a pool, I'm a nerd and a business owner, I'll probably 
be in my room with the curtains closed staring at an LCD trying to 
figure out what is causing interference on a backhaul 1200 miles away ;)


Yeah, Adobe's was the place.  My flight lands at 12:45 so I'll probably 
be checked in around 2:00.  I'll see what I can scope out in the afternoon.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless
   Cell: 402-376-4752

Peter R. wrote:

Sam,

Poolside, where? (What hotel are you at? Matt, where are you?)

AT Pointe Orlando that sounds like Adobe's, which I was recently told 
is not that nice.

Maybe Hooters at that same address or I'll find a couple of alternatives.

- Peter


Sam Tetherow wrote:


I get in just after noon so I'll be poolside sippin' mimosa's by then ;)

Did a little checking around and Pointe Orlando has a cantina and 
margarita bar which appears to have live music every night except 
tuesday, which is poker night.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

Mac and I will be at the airport between 2pm and 3pm on Tuesday.   
Anyone who needs a ride, drop me an email and I'll see if we can 
squeeze you in.


There was a rumor that there may be a Geek Jam at a local bar 
sometime on Wednesday night, after the WISPA reception.  Will find 
out more details when we get there.


Matt Larsen
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RE: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON

[Dylan Bouterse]

Howl at the Moon (Piano Bar) is right down there. Good times.

Dylan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON

Sam,

Poolside, where? (What hotel are you at? Matt, where are you?)

AT Pointe Orlando that sounds like Adobe's, which I was recently told is

not that nice.
Maybe Hooters at that same address or I'll find a couple of
alternatives.

- Peter


Sam Tetherow wrote:

> I get in just after noon so I'll be poolside sippin' mimosa's by then
;)
>
> Did a little checking around and Pointe Orlando has a cantina and 
> margarita bar which appears to have live music every night except 
> tuesday, which is poker night.
>
>Sam Tetherow
>Sandhills Wireless
>
> Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
>
>> Mac and I will be at the airport between 2pm and 3pm on Tuesday.   
>> Anyone who needs a ride, drop me an email and I'll see if we can 
>> squeeze you in.
>>
>> There was a rumor that there may be a Geek Jam at a local bar 
>> sometime on Wednesday night, after the WISPA reception.  Will find 
>> out more details when we get there.
>>
>> Matt Larsen
>> vistabeam.com
>

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Re: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON

[Peter R.]

Sam,

Poolside, where? (What hotel are you at? Matt, where are you?)

AT Pointe Orlando that sounds like Adobe's, which I was recently told is 
not that nice.

Maybe Hooters at that same address or I'll find a couple of alternatives.

- Peter


Sam Tetherow wrote:


I get in just after noon so I'll be poolside sippin' mimosa's by then ;)

Did a little checking around and Pointe Orlando has a cantina and 
margarita bar which appears to have live music every night except 
tuesday, which is poker night.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

Mac and I will be at the airport between 2pm and 3pm on Tuesday.   
Anyone who needs a ride, drop me an email and I'll see if we can 
squeeze you in.


There was a rumor that there may be a Geek Jam at a local bar 
sometime on Wednesday night, after the WISPA reception.  Will find 
out more details when we get there.


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com



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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Sam Tetherow]

Like Microsoft?  If you read user agreements, you will find that many 
software vendors do not allow license transfer.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Mike Hammett wrote:

I'd refuse to do business with a company like that.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:
I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.  
Switched
from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. 
Had to go back to postini.


So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal


Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
got the impression that they don't like dealing with "used" units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON

[Sam Tetherow]

I get in just after noon so I'll be poolside sippin' mimosa's by then ;)

Did a little checking around and Pointe Orlando has a cantina and 
margarita bar which appears to have live music every night except 
tuesday, which is poker night.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
Mac and I will be at the airport between 2pm and 3pm on Tuesday.   
Anyone who needs a ride, drop me an email and I'll see if we can 
squeeze you in.


There was a rumor that there may be a Geek Jam at a local bar sometime 
on Wednesday night, after the WISPA reception.  Will find out more 
details when we get there.


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

Sam Tetherow wrote:
I am, I get in early Tuesday afternoon and am staying at the Best 
Western up the street.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Peter R. wrote:

Gino Villarini wrote:


Any special activities from WISPA on the Tuesday preeciding ISPcon ?

Im about to book my flight

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 


I'll be in Tuesday night. Staying at the Rosen Center Hotel.
Who's up for meeting for dinner?


Regards,

Peter Radizeski
RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[JohnnyO]

Barracuda should offer a "buy back" option for people who purchase directly 
from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of 
equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it any 
longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I guess 
now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid 
policy then it was worth putting in their agreement.


JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Ross Cornett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that.  I am diggin in 
deeper to better understand their policy.  But, they did tell me they will 
not support a device that they did not sell directly.


Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement.  Since you have to 
agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I 
find any better answer.


Ross

- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at 
Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the 
new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I 
did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand 
hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to 
Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new 
owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to 
tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue 
support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy 
support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can 
be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support 
it with new spam and virus signature updates.


There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad 
experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was 
being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring 
used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find.

Scriv


Ross Cornett wrote:

understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months... 
couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to 
Postini.


thanks.
- Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:

I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. 
Switched

from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.
Had to go back to postini.

So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal



Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate 
it

or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but 
I

got the impression that they don't like dealing with "used" units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may 
want

to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Ross Cornett]

Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that.  I am diggin in deeper 
to better understand their policy.  But, they did tell me they will not 
support a device that they did not sell directly.


Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement.  Since you have to 
agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I 
find any better answer.


Ross

- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at 
Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new 
owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did 
not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. 
It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see 
what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit 
before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential 
owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The 
Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for 
updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not 
worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and 
virus signature updates.


There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad 
experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was 
being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring 
used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find.

Scriv


Ross Cornett wrote:

understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months... 
couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to 
Postini.


thanks.
- Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:

I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. 
Switched

from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.
Had to go back to postini.

So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal



Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
got the impression that they don't like dealing with "used" units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Ross Cornett]

will do,  no problems here...

Ross

- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at 
Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new 
owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did 
not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. 
It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see 
what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit 
before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential 
owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The 
Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for 
updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not 
worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and 
virus signature updates.


There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad 
experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was 
being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring 
used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find.

Scriv


Ross Cornett wrote:

understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months... 
couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to 
Postini.


thanks.
- Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:

I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. 
Switched

from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.
Had to go back to postini.

So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal



Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
got the impression that they don't like dealing with "used" units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[John Scrivner]

I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at 
Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the 
new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I 
did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand 
hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to 
Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new 
owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able 
to tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue 
support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy 
support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can 
be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not 
support it with new spam and virus signature updates.


There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad 
experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was 
being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for 
transferring used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you 
find.

Scriv


Ross Cornett wrote:

understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months... 
couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to 
Postini.


thanks.
- Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:

I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.  
Switched

from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.
Had to go back to postini.

So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal



Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
got the impression that they don't like dealing with "used" units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Ross Cornett]

understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months... couldn't 
stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini.


thanks.
- Original Message - 
From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:

I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.  Switched
from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.
Had to go back to postini.

So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal


Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
got the impression that they don't like dealing with "used" units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Mike Hammett]

I'd refuse to do business with a company like that.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email



Ross Cornett wrote:

I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.  Switched
from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. 
Had to go back to postini.


So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal


Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
got the impression that they don't like dealing with "used" units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[David E. Smith]

Ross Cornett wrote:
> I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.  Switched
> from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. 
> Had to go back to postini.
> 
> So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal

Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
or provide me service, as it was second-hand.

There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
got the impression that they don't like dealing with "used" units,
period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
update subscriptions and whatnot.)

David Smith
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[WISPA] Next gen of wi-fi is planned for summer

[Peter R.]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070516/ap_on_hi_te/wi_fi_alliance_2;_ylt=AjCZXQffVxPE_rY5h5gTVTQE1vAI

The next generation of wireless Internet products certified by the Wi-Fi 
Alliance is expected to hit shelves this summer, even though a final 
standard for the technology isn't due for another year, the industry 
group says.


*http://tinyurl.com/32h2kg*

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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Ross Cornett]

I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.  Switched 
from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen.  Had to 
go back to postini.


So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal


- Original Message - 
From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Be offended about what? How much someone is charging for Anti SPAM service 
using a Barracuda?
The Barracuda's are fixed cost based on the device type, so the prices 
should be competitive.

Barracuda Networks used to do 100 mailboxes for $100 per month, I think.

John


JohnnyO wrote:
www.datapipe.com - you'll pay about $79.99/mo for unlimited domains and 
email addresses.


I will more then likely offend a few people here but I've asked several 
people here that have their own Barracuda's for quotes and noone can seem 
to touch the price I have been paying for 7+ yrs. I suppose their costs 
are much higher and are trying to recoup it on a low volume as opposed to 
the larger mail / hosting outfits.


Datapipe uses the "Iron Port" appliance and they also ANSWER their phone 
24/7/365... You get a live person, not some automated system and I 
actually called them this past year on Christmas with an issue I had with 
a domain.


Hit me up off-list if you want more information or input concerning this.

Regards,

JohnnyO
- Original Message - From: "Doug Ratcliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Currently we do in-house email.  We always have one problem or another 
with
our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... 
We

have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users.  Is it cost
effective to outsource something this small?  Also on a similar note, 
does
anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 
mail

and Direct Push to my mobile phone?

Thanks

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