Re: [WISPA] Pager controlled remote power switch
Actually - there are extremely few areas of the country that cannot be reached via pagers - where are you? I'll shake the trees and find a company that provides service there Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 FAX: 207-781-8067 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 PAGE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOLIM: OzCom1 ICQ: 206889374 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.streamline-solutions.net http://www.WMDaWARe.com Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pager controlled remote power switch Check with EC/Hutton. They carried something like this a year or three ago. I was looking at them but there's almost no pager coverage around my area. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Tim Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] Pager controlled remote power switch Hello, After fruitless google searching I was unable to locate a device of this type. I know I saw some talk about these on here a while ago and I was hoping one of you could point me in the right direction. Thanks! tim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net PO Box 865 415.456.4763 Inverness, CA 94937 =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pager controlled remote power switch
I just bought one of this cool devices and it works great. It also does auto-ping reboot. http://www.controlbyweb.com/ www.dslbyair.com --- Aaron D. Osgood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually - there are extremely few areas of the country that cannot be reached via pagers - where are you? I'll shake the trees and find a company that provides service there Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 FAX: 207-781-8067 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 PAGE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOLIM: OzCom1 ICQ: 206889374 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.streamline-solutions.net http://www.WMDaWARe.com Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pager controlled remote power switch Check with EC/Hutton. They carried something like this a year or three ago. I was looking at them but there's almost no pager coverage around my area. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Tim Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] Pager controlled remote power switch Hello, After fruitless google searching I was unable to locate a device of this type. I know I saw some talk about these on here a while ago and I was hoping one of you could point me in the right direction. Thanks! tim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net PO Box 865 415.456.4763 Inverness, CA 94937 =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pcb
Let me know when you order. They have a min order number. I got some a couple yrs ago and sold a bunch. I think you had to order 500-1000. Now I am a little low. I might take some off your hands if you don't want that many. Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Who sells the plastic 3M PCB with adhesive backing? Like for mounting routerboards inside cases? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] WLAN stress test uncovers802.11performance problems
One thing I have noticed after adding 50+ customers on a omni is that you get better performance by turning the TX power DOWN on the clients within 1 mile. I would assume this is so because of some kind of self interference. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] WLAN stress test uncovers802.11performance problems Jack I will give in to your challenge, and focus on outdoors setups :) But first, I agree with you 100% about your comments; some venders saying add more APs will help as well as their smart systems will solve all their performance issues. We have been watching, talking and helping some of the people involved in the so called city wide wifi and many if not all of them are simply not adhering to the strengths of wifi and trying to make the protocol do things it will not. When we get calls like this the most common misconceptions is they expect laptops to work miles away from the AP, Non-LOS, and Omni installs to keep it simple. Then we put on our training hats to bring them down to earth on what to really expect and how to design a system correctly. Ok now to a design ideas, first I want to point out that each design is going to be different but if the basic concepts are followed it will work each and every time. 1. Before any design can be started you really want to get a base line as to what one is starting with. We always recommend rents hand held SA and do field tests to see what other frequencies are out there being used and do your best to triangulate and find out where they are coming from. This data should be recorded on a map for future reference. 2. 90% of our customers try to find the highest place in the middle of the area they are trying to serve, while this could be the best choice for a design it's not the only or best one. See if you can service the same area from the outside in, for example if you are able to find three locations on the outer rim of an area and use 120 degree antennas this will increase your true coverage area exponentially as the installers now have three locations to try vs. one. The latest customer we helped with a design went from 25% install rate to 90%, thus it's well worth the costs for the extra two locations up front where the costs of a truck role is about $50 minimum if the customer is installed or not! The first month this design saved the customer well over $5000 in install fees plus he now over 100 customers generating income that he would not have at this point! 3. Once the locations are found on the tower or building you REALY want to avoid installing antennas anywhere near each other. On a tower try to install the antennas with 10' vertical separation at a minimum, more is better and vertical is more important than horizontal. Also try to have 2-3' horizontal separation. Ideally you want to create a spiral stair case effect with the antennas. 4. This is where the setup is very important, you NEED to limit the distance of each antennas to be practical. For example if you are in a rural area this could be 10+ miles where you do not see any other radio signals via the antenna, yes you want to test with an SA directly on the antennas to confirm! In other locations this could be less than 1 mile. As an example let's assume a WISP wants to reach a max of 5 miles, having a person on the tower to adjust the down tilt, you want to have an install at the 5 mile mark (and center of antenna be is 180, 120 etc) and tune the strongest signal at this point. With this setup you can rest assure that the antennas will only pick up interference from 5 miles in and not from 5 miles out. The name of the game with wireless is single to noise levels, lots of signal will do nothing if there is also lots of noise. 5. The other major issue we see is self interference. If you have more than one antenna at a locations, you want to test with the SA each antenna how much it's sees from the other antennas. So for example if you have three radios at a sight plug the SA in to one antennas and turn on one radio then the other and see how much signal the antennas pick up from the other radios and do the same for the other two. The issue here is even though each antennas/radio is on a different channel too much power from the side radios can cause major problems with the receivers, basically overloading them. This is the major reason you need to have good separation. There are a few other tricks but I think I have hit on the major ones, I am sure Jack will fill in if I missed something major. Anyway hope this helps and if anyone wants to talk more you can hit me off list or call me or my techs at the office. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology
[WISPA] Small unmanaged switches
I'm looking to purchase some small unmanaged switches (5 ports) to use at business customer locations to connect a Canopy CPE, a VoIP ATA, and the Netopia router we use for customer installs. I want something as simple as possible that is ROCK SOLID. No power cycling, no oops the switch locked up, no nonsense. It must be unmanaged and require no configuration (no MikroTik). And did I mention it must be reliable? Low power consumption is a plus so that the UPS powering the CPE, the switch, and the ATA lasts as long as possible. I'm currently looking at the Linksys SD205- does anyone have real-world experience with these? Thanks, -- Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 mobile: (410) 991-5791 http://www.vectordatasystems.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches
On Fri, February 15, 2008 11:56 am, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I'm looking to purchase some small unmanaged switches (5 ports) [ snip ] You may want the Netgear ProSafe FS105. http://www.netgear.com/Products/Switches/DesktopSwitches/FS105.aspx The current crop are basically as small as physically possible (or at least are the smallest five-port switches I've seen), and the metal case just looks and feels sturdy, as compared to the cheap plastic ones. (Here, things get a little tricky, as Netgear uses the same model number on a couple different switches; I don't have any experience with the silver-plastic FS105 switches. They're probably the same, internally, but I've also never ripped one open to see.) Netgear FS105s and the big brother FS108s run about 3/4 of our towers, and have for several years. I can't recall a single instance of a problem with a switch that was found to be a defect in the switch itself. Lightning making a switch go foom, sure, but that's not the switch's fault. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pcb
I'd be interested in some of those too... Mike Hammett wrote: How many and what size are you after? I have some of two different sizes (though I forget their sizes). -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] pcb Let me know when you order. They have a min order number. I got some a couple yrs ago and sold a bunch. I think you had to order 500-1000. Now I am a little low. I might take some off your hands if you don't want that many. Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Who sells the plastic 3M PCB with adhesive backing? Like for mounting routerboards inside cases? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pcb
How many and what size are you after? I have some of two different sizes (though I forget their sizes). -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] pcb Let me know when you order. They have a min order number. I got some a couple yrs ago and sold a bunch. I think you had to order 500-1000. Now I am a little low. I might take some off your hands if you don't want that many. Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Who sells the plastic 3M PCB with adhesive backing? Like for mounting routerboards inside cases? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pcb
I use these for about everything: http://shop.defactowireless.com/s.nl/it.A/id.1070/.f Graham On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be interested in some of those too... Mike Hammett wrote: How many and what size are you after? I have some of two different sizes (though I forget their sizes). -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] pcb Let me know when you order. They have a min order number. I got some a couple yrs ago and sold a bunch. I think you had to order 500-1000. Now I am a little low. I might take some off your hands if you don't want that many. Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Who sells the plastic 3M PCB with adhesive backing? Like for mounting routerboards inside cases? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT tools
It has not. We have been using SNMP proactive monitoring for years. It takes more custom programming to make the SNMP data as realtime as one needs it to be viewed. And that is a much more complicated issue, as it requires consideration of a whole management platform and how that data is recovered in realtime in relation to realtime changes made to the link. Sometimes these changes are syncronized to the 4-5 seconds that that change was made. Just locating a specific radio in a list of 300-500 radio links in a remote management/monitoring platform is a challenge. It can take 10 minutes jsut to identify you are looking at the right radio. Plus if you pull data in realtime, there is also a significant bandwdith use. It is jsut plain straight forward to have a tool built into the radio that one is already logged into and working on, that does Click Button, test runs. 10 seconds pass. Returns results, This is the performance of the link. And have that data be detailed and complete. Packetloss, error rate, throughput, side of link the packets were lost on, etc. Its that simple. Even if I bought into your SNMP arguement, I'd argue the SNMP monitoring solution is NOT what it needs to be today. Don;t say HPOpen voew nobody can afford it, and don;t say MRTG and RDDTOOL, as thats months of custom programming to get it wher eit needs to be, and what we use now. But I will say, there is a huge oppoortunity for consultants and programmers to help write these platforms for WISPs. For example... Dude, is a cool Mikrotik Monitoring tool. It would be really easy to add a test button to a configured radio that would launch a test tool on the remote Mikrotik radio, and report back the results. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT tools On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Tom DeReggi wrote: The problem with stats is they often are displayed as total loss from the beginning of time. Not specific to an exact period, of controled usage. What difference does a particular setting on a radio have, and the ability to measure it after the change nad before the next one. This is why ON-Demand test tools are useful, that home in on a predfined time period, and isntantly viewable. This is why SNMP is available. Yes the data is out there, to enable writing the tool. The question is... Why hasn't it been written yet? It has. SNMP. That is called proactive monitoring. -- *Butch Evans *Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering *MikroTik RouterOS* *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Based on list comments I did a MT ROS upgrade...
Hearing good things about routeros 3.2 I upgraded my office system. Big problem, look before you leap. I had an old soekris X86 client system with a prisim card talking to another 2.9.x system with an SR2 radio. I upgraded from 2.9.50, to 3.2 and ran into some issues, like my ethernet port(bridge) lost its address. Thats not too bad, but the RF link was out and out weird. When I pinged the AP from the upgraded client I would get 500% packet GAIN. Tons of dups. Anyway, in hindsight, Is there any problem with the new MT drivers and prisim radios? What is the best (read safest) way to upgrade? Sure glad this was just the office system, and only wasted my time versus network outages. Thanks all! Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches
Same here. Netgear is all we use for remote locations Joe Fiero wrote: I concur, the 5 port Netgear is a workhorse. We use them exclusively at all our AP's, hops and customer locations. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches On Fri, February 15, 2008 11:56 am, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I'm looking to purchase some small unmanaged switches (5 ports) [ snip ] You may want the Netgear ProSafe FS105. http://www.netgear.com/Products/Switches/DesktopSwitches/FS105.aspx The current crop are basically as small as physically possible (or at least are the smallest five-port switches I've seen), and the metal case just looks and feels sturdy, as compared to the cheap plastic ones. (Here, things get a little tricky, as Netgear uses the same model number on a couple different switches; I don't have any experience with the silver-plastic FS105 switches. They're probably the same, internally, but I've also never ripped one open to see.) Netgear FS105s and the big brother FS108s run about 3/4 of our towers, and have for several years. I can't recall a single instance of a problem with a switch that was found to be a defect in the switch itself. Lightning making a switch go foom, sure, but that's not the switch's fault. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pcb
Well, I'd rather ask... How have the adhesive backed mounts been working out? I'm afraid to use them. We use the little golden metal standoffs, bolt them in, and water proof. Afraid the board will come loose and short out, after significant heat or cold or moisture. Accident waiting to happen, a year down the road. How long are they holding up? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] pcb Let me know when you order. They have a min order number. I got some a couple yrs ago and sold a bunch. I think you had to order 500-1000. Now I am a little low. I might take some off your hands if you don't want that many. Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Who sells the plastic 3M PCB with adhesive backing? Like for mounting routerboards inside cases? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Based on list comments I did a MT ROS upgrade...
There have been some settings that get lost in the upgrades. Especially on 532s. Make sure you make a backup first to be on the safe side. Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Based on list comments I did a MT ROS upgrade... Hearing good things about routeros 3.2 I upgraded my office system. Big problem, look before you leap. I had an old soekris X86 client system with a prisim card talking to another 2.9.x system with an SR2 radio. I upgraded from 2.9.50, to 3.2 and ran into some issues, like my ethernet port(bridge) lost its address. Thats not too bad, but the RF link was out and out weird. When I pinged the AP from the upgraded client I would get 500% packet GAIN. Tons of dups. Anyway, in hindsight, Is there any problem with the new MT drivers and prisim radios? What is the best (read safest) way to upgrade? Sure glad this was just the office system, and only wasted my time versus network outages. Thanks all! Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pcb
But you might not want 1000 sitting around collecting dust George Rogato wrote: They are only like 10 cents a piece. So a 1000 is only 100.00 David Peterson wrote: You can get them in 100 packs from Microcom. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 7:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] pcb Let me know when you order. They have a min order number. I got some a couple yrs ago and sold a bunch. I think you had to order 500-1000. Now I am a little low. I might take some off your hands if you don't want that many. Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Who sells the plastic 3M PCB with adhesive backing? Like for mounting routerboards inside cases? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pcb Ask Tony Morella
It was suppose to say Have you had a problem Tony? Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Demarctech has used them for a couple years. Have you had a problem. I have not had a problem with the ones in the Demarctech products. Brian Tom DeReggi wrote: Well, I'd rather ask... How have the adhesive backed mounts been working out? I'm afraid to use them. We use the little golden metal standoffs, bolt them in, and water proof. Afraid the board will come loose and short out, after significant heat or cold or moisture. Accident waiting to happen, a year down the road. How long are they holding up? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] pcb Let me know when you order. They have a min order number. I got some a couple yrs ago and sold a bunch. I think you had to order 500-1000. Now I am a little low. I might take some off your hands if you don't want that many. Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Who sells the plastic 3M PCB with adhesive backing? Like for mounting routerboards inside cases? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pcb
I've only been using them for about a year, but I haven't had a need to go back into a unit to look. I got the idea from Brian and he somehow assured me at the time that it wasn't a problem. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] pcb Well, I'd rather ask... How have the adhesive backed mounts been working out? I'm afraid to use them. We use the little golden metal standoffs, bolt them in, and water proof. Afraid the board will come loose and short out, after significant heat or cold or moisture. Accident waiting to happen, a year down the road. How long are they holding up? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] pcb Let me know when you order. They have a min order number. I got some a couple yrs ago and sold a bunch. I think you had to order 500-1000. Now I am a little low. I might take some off your hands if you don't want that many. Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Who sells the plastic 3M PCB with adhesive backing? Like for mounting routerboards inside cases? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pcb
I avoid tiny screws like the plague. Nothing like being up 300ft on a tower in 0 degree weather and trying to deal with tiny screws. I try to build everything so I can work on it with big fat gloves. Brian Graham McIntire wrote: I use these for about everything: http://shop.defactowireless.com/s.nl/it.A/id.1070/.f Graham On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be interested in some of those too... Mike Hammett wrote: How many and what size are you after? I have some of two different sizes (though I forget their sizes). -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] pcb Let me know when you order. They have a min order number. I got some a couple yrs ago and sold a bunch. I think you had to order 500-1000. Now I am a little low. I might take some off your hands if you don't want that many. Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Who sells the plastic 3M PCB with adhesive backing? Like for mounting routerboards inside cases? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT tools
I guess the idea is that MT might be monitoring these lists. But you are right, the best approach might be to Email MT directly. But the truth is, Emailing support by an individual will likely not get results. Manufacturers tend to want to see numerous individuals interested in the command or feature to jsutify the effort doing it. By discussing these flaws on a list, is to get all the members familiar with why these tools are needed, and possibly more members will add additional support inquiriies to request these improvements. For one, I'd like to see the Mikrotik Consultants get involved in asking for these features. If the consultants that specialize in the product don't understand what we need, its not that likely that the manufacurer would either. Consultants that represent the manufacturer have much more pull with them, and a better relationship to discuss these things, and most importantly credabilty, to effect change. With Trango, we effect change, and the reason is that we deal direct with the manufacturer and they hear us. With channel support models, like Microtik offers, the manufacturer can lose touch with the end customer. It becomes an even worse problem when the manufacturer sells super cheap (which we like), and the volume grows and each end user's opinion becomes less relevent. One thing I'm very happy about was Mikrotik's support joining as a WISPA vendor member. (Butch, possibly you one also ?) I believe this gets WISP and Manufacturer closer in touch. I'm hoping that these threads are not misinterpretted as manufacturer bashing, but interpretted as communication, that will effect product improvements. The truth is MT probably offers better testing tools than most WIFI product out there. But there is still room for improvements. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT tools On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: What I really want is a way to right-click on an entry in the Registration table and have an option that says Linktest. It would test sending 100 packets each direction, 10 times. It would then report: have you emailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this suggestion? I see what you are wanting. I suggested a way to get the data. If that isn't enough, then send an email to the folks that can do something about it. I hate these threads where the only thing that is accomplished is a dead horse is mauled. -- *Butch Evans *Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering *MikroTik RouterOS* *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pcb
You can get them in 100 packs from Microcom. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 7:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] pcb Let me know when you order. They have a min order number. I got some a couple yrs ago and sold a bunch. I think you had to order 500-1000. Now I am a little low. I might take some off your hands if you don't want that many. Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Who sells the plastic 3M PCB with adhesive backing? Like for mounting routerboards inside cases? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Based on list comments I did a MT ROS upgrade...
IS anyone using ROS 3.2 or 3.3 and prisim cards without problems? On Feb 15, 2008 2:00 PM, rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just flushed my office configuration for a simple 2 port router, one of the ports is a prisim card. When I upgraded to 3.3 I get the same 'packet gain' problem and marginal link performance. Had to fall back to 2.9.50 just to send this email ... On Feb 15, 2008 12:18 PM, Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There have been some settings that get lost in the upgrades. Especially on 532s. Make sure you make a backup first to be on the safe side. Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Based on list comments I did a MT ROS upgrade... Hearing good things about routeros 3.2 I upgraded my office system. Big problem, look before you leap. I had an old soekris X86 client system with a prisim card talking to another 2.9.x system with an SR2 radio. I upgraded from 2.9.50, to 3.2 and ran into some issues, like my ethernet port(bridge) lost its address. Thats not too bad, but the RF link was out and out weird. When I pinged the AP from the upgraded client I would get 500% packet GAIN. Tons of dups. Anyway, in hindsight, Is there any problem with the new MT drivers and prisim radios? What is the best (read safest) way to upgrade? Sure glad this was just the office system, and only wasted my time versus network outages. Thanks all! Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pcb
They are only like 10 cents a piece. So a 1000 is only 100.00 David Peterson wrote: You can get them in 100 packs from Microcom. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 7:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] pcb Let me know when you order. They have a min order number. I got some a couple yrs ago and sold a bunch. I think you had to order 500-1000. Now I am a little low. I might take some off your hands if you don't want that many. Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Who sells the plastic 3M PCB with adhesive backing? Like for mounting routerboards inside cases? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Broadcaster Gloats over Dead Microsoft Whitespace Test Device
http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0115/t.11322.html -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches
I like the Trendnet units. I have had some in unheated outdoor cabinets for over a year and they just run. Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I'm looking to purchase some small unmanaged switches (5 ports) to use at business customer locations to connect a Canopy CPE, a VoIP ATA, and the Netopia router we use for customer installs. I want something as simple as possible that is ROCK SOLID. No power cycling, no oops the switch locked up, no nonsense. It must be unmanaged and require no configuration (no MikroTik). And did I mention it must be reliable? Low power consumption is a plus so that the UPS powering the CPE, the switch, and the ATA lasts as long as possible. I'm currently looking at the Linksys SD205- does anyone have real-world experience with these? Thanks, -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT tools
I work very closely with Mikrotik and I do understand what you are saying. Lets do this... What is the exact feature and results that we are looking for. The reason why I ask, is they will ask! This is what I got so far: 10 second test Test reliability of link Overall throughput of the link Packet loss, if any, on the link Overall link quality All of this calculated into ? a Percent? A number? Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT tools I guess the idea is that MT might be monitoring these lists. But you are right, the best approach might be to Email MT directly. But the truth is, Emailing support by an individual will likely not get results. Manufacturers tend to want to see numerous individuals interested in the command or feature to jsutify the effort doing it. By discussing these flaws on a list, is to get all the members familiar with why these tools are needed, and possibly more members will add additional support inquiriies to request these improvements. For one, I'd like to see the Mikrotik Consultants get involved in asking for these features. If the consultants that specialize in the product don't understand what we need, its not that likely that the manufacurer would either. Consultants that represent the manufacturer have much more pull with them, and a better relationship to discuss these things, and most importantly credabilty, to effect change. With Trango, we effect change, and the reason is that we deal direct with the manufacturer and they hear us. With channel support models, like Microtik offers, the manufacturer can lose touch with the end customer. It becomes an even worse problem when the manufacturer sells super cheap (which we like), and the volume grows and each end user's opinion becomes less relevent. One thing I'm very happy about was Mikrotik's support joining as a WISPA vendor member. (Butch, possibly you one also ?) I believe this gets WISP and Manufacturer closer in touch. I'm hoping that these threads are not misinterpretted as manufacturer bashing, but interpretted as communication, that will effect product improvements. The truth is MT probably offers better testing tools than most WIFI product out there. But there is still room for improvements. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT tools On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: What I really want is a way to right-click on an entry in the Registration table and have an option that says Linktest. It would test sending 100 packets each direction, 10 times. It would then report: have you emailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this suggestion? I see what you are wanting. I suggested a way to get the data. If that isn't enough, then send an email to the folks that can do something about it. I hate these threads where the only thing that is accomplished is a dead horse is mauled. -- *Butch Evans *Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering *MikroTik RouterOS* *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches
I concur, the 5 port Netgear is a workhorse. We use them exclusively at all our AP's, hops and customer locations. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches On Fri, February 15, 2008 11:56 am, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I'm looking to purchase some small unmanaged switches (5 ports) [ snip ] You may want the Netgear ProSafe FS105. http://www.netgear.com/Products/Switches/DesktopSwitches/FS105.aspx The current crop are basically as small as physically possible (or at least are the smallest five-port switches I've seen), and the metal case just looks and feels sturdy, as compared to the cheap plastic ones. (Here, things get a little tricky, as Netgear uses the same model number on a couple different switches; I don't have any experience with the silver-plastic FS105 switches. They're probably the same, internally, but I've also never ripped one open to see.) Netgear FS105s and the big brother FS108s run about 3/4 of our towers, and have for several years. I can't recall a single instance of a problem with a switch that was found to be a defect in the switch itself. Lightning making a switch go foom, sure, but that's not the switch's fault. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pcb Ask Tony Morella
Demarctech has used them for a couple years. Have you had a problem. I have not had a problem with the ones in the Demarctech products. Brian Tom DeReggi wrote: Well, I'd rather ask... How have the adhesive backed mounts been working out? I'm afraid to use them. We use the little golden metal standoffs, bolt them in, and water proof. Afraid the board will come loose and short out, after significant heat or cold or moisture. Accident waiting to happen, a year down the road. How long are they holding up? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] pcb Let me know when you order. They have a min order number. I got some a couple yrs ago and sold a bunch. I think you had to order 500-1000. Now I am a little low. I might take some off your hands if you don't want that many. Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Who sells the plastic 3M PCB with adhesive backing? Like for mounting routerboards inside cases? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches
Truthfully, I think that what you are asking for does not exist. Small switches are designed to be cheap, not reliable. Thats jsut the reality of the business. However, with that said, we have had excellent luck with the Intellinet brand. ICIntracom makes/sells them. Very few lockups or failed units. We also are using their SOHOrouters for our resi customers instead of Linksys most of the time now. They have both a plastic and metal ones. They are very inexpensive. Don't hold me to this, but I think they also pass VLAN size packets (1504MTU), even though they are dumb switches. Our plan has been, put in the $139 Digital Logger with autoping and extra Surge protection, plug into switch, that the radio and ATA and router also plugged into. If you can't afford to have the switch lockup, steps have to be taken in advance to make certain of that. Linksys does have a very low cost Managed VLAN Switch (reduced port model 8?), for under $120, which we were very seriously considering for customer premise. There is a big benefit to having a switch that has a pingable IP, for troubleshooting and Demarcation reasons. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches I'm looking to purchase some small unmanaged switches (5 ports) to use at business customer locations to connect a Canopy CPE, a VoIP ATA, and the Netopia router we use for customer installs. I want something as simple as possible that is ROCK SOLID. No power cycling, no oops the switch locked up, no nonsense. It must be unmanaged and require no configuration (no MikroTik). And did I mention it must be reliable? Low power consumption is a plus so that the UPS powering the CPE, the switch, and the ATA lasts as long as possible. I'm currently looking at the Linksys SD205- does anyone have real-world experience with these? Thanks, -- Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 mobile: (410) 991-5791 http://www.vectordatasystems.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches
Garrettcom has a 4 port hardened switch designed for factory floors and I believe they have larger ones. They retail between $83 and $112 for the 12v version. Hit me offlist if you would like more information. David WirelessGuys Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Fiero Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches I concur, the 5 port Netgear is a workhorse. We use them exclusively at all our AP's, hops and customer locations. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches On Fri, February 15, 2008 11:56 am, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I'm looking to purchase some small unmanaged switches (5 ports) [ snip ] You may want the Netgear ProSafe FS105. http://www.netgear.com/Products/Switches/DesktopSwitches/FS105.aspx The current crop are basically as small as physically possible (or at least are the smallest five-port switches I've seen), and the metal case just looks and feels sturdy, as compared to the cheap plastic ones. (Here, things get a little tricky, as Netgear uses the same model number on a couple different switches; I don't have any experience with the silver-plastic FS105 switches. They're probably the same, internally, but I've also never ripped one open to see.) Netgear FS105s and the big brother FS108s run about 3/4 of our towers, and have for several years. I can't recall a single instance of a problem with a switch that was found to be a defect in the switch itself. Lightning making a switch go foom, sure, but that's not the switch's fault. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches
I would just warn you away from the NetGear GS108. I only had one, but it locked up repeatedly. (sitting in a phone closet) Comments on NewEgg claimed that model had the bad capacitor problem (I just had 2 Dell motherboards replaced for that) - but I haven't opened up the switch to look at it. Otherwise I would say my sample size is too small to make any predictions. I am using some Dell PowerConnect 2708 gigabit switches (about $80 on their small biz site) that have been fine. One of those is in a metal box 130' up a grain leg and has survived the winter so far ( knock on wood -10 F min to date). They have a web interface so you could ping monitor them. Oh, HP ProCurve 4000M switches are neither small nor unmanaged. I've had uptimes of ~2 years on those. About $125 used on EBay. On February 15, at 3:14 PM February 15, Joe Fiero wrote: I concur, the 5 port Netgear is a workhorse. We use them exclusively at all our AP's, hops and customer locations. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches On Fri, February 15, 2008 11:56 am, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I'm looking to purchase some small unmanaged switches (5 ports) [ snip ] You may want the Netgear ProSafe FS105. http://www.netgear.com/Products/Switches/DesktopSwitches/FS105.aspx The current crop are basically as small as physically possible (or at least are the smallest five-port switches I've seen), and the metal case just looks and feels sturdy, as compared to the cheap plastic ones. (Here, things get a little tricky, as Netgear uses the same model number on a couple different switches; I don't have any experience with the silver-plastic FS105 switches. They're probably the same, internally, but I've also never ripped one open to see.) Netgear FS105s and the big brother FS108s run about 3/4 of our towers, and have for several years. I can't recall a single instance of a problem with a switch that was found to be a defect in the switch itself. Lightning making a switch go foom, sure, but that's not the switch's fault. :) David Smith MVN.net -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Based on list comments I did a MT ROS upgrade...
I just flushed my office configuration for a simple 2 port router, one of the ports is a prisim card. When I upgraded to 3.3 I get the same 'packet gain' problem and marginal link performance. Had to fall back to 2.9.50 just to send this email ... On Feb 15, 2008 12:18 PM, Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There have been some settings that get lost in the upgrades. Especially on 532s. Make sure you make a backup first to be on the safe side. Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Based on list comments I did a MT ROS upgrade... Hearing good things about routeros 3.2 I upgraded my office system. Big problem, look before you leap. I had an old soekris X86 client system with a prisim card talking to another 2.9.x system with an SR2 radio. I upgraded from 2.9.50, to 3.2 and ran into some issues, like my ethernet port(bridge) lost its address. Thats not too bad, but the RF link was out and out weird. When I pinged the AP from the upgraded client I would get 500% packet GAIN. Tons of dups. Anyway, in hindsight, Is there any problem with the new MT drivers and prisim radios? What is the best (read safest) way to upgrade? Sure glad this was just the office system, and only wasted my time versus network outages. Thanks all! Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches
I have used these in a number of my pops without a single problem in uncooled (even no fans) enclosures. It gets up to 115+ here in the summer. http://www.ctrlink.com/eiba.htm Lots of power options (DC 10--36 V or AC 8--24 V, 47--63 Hz) Randy Cosby InfoWest Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I'm looking to purchase some small unmanaged switches (5 ports) to use at business customer locations to connect a Canopy CPE, a VoIP ATA, and the Netopia router we use for customer installs. I want something as simple as possible that is ROCK SOLID. No power cycling, no oops the switch locked up, no nonsense. It must be unmanaged and require no configuration (no MikroTik). And did I mention it must be reliable? Low power consumption is a plus so that the UPS powering the CPE, the switch, and the ATA lasts as long as possible. I'm currently looking at the Linksys SD205- does anyone have real-world experience with these? Thanks, -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 900MHz Yagis
I have 50 13dB Yagi's in stock that I need to move for cost, free ground shipping to the US. Please hit me off list if you are interested. David Peterson WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadcaster Gloats over Dead Microsoft Whitespace Test Device
Another opinion piece spreading FUD about whitespaces: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/09/opinion/09nadler.html This guy claims And in rural areas, white spaces are often used for broadband access. That isn't true, is it? I didn't think anyone was currently using whitespaces. On February 15, at 4:24 PM February 15, Jack Unger wrote: http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0115/t.11322.html -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadcaster Gloats over Dead Microsoft Whitespace Test Device
Broadcasters are simply doing what should be expected, but in the end they cannot stop innovation and progress. All the technical issues will be solved over time. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadcaster Gloats over Dead Microsoft Whitespace Test Device This piece is FUD of the worst kind. 1) You are correct; no one is using whitespaces yet for broadband access. 2) This article appears to be a hit piece against the use of white space for license-free devices. The article is not only a hit piece but it's inaccurate as well. The inaccuracy that you noted appears to be a result of simple ignorance of the facts. jack John Valenti wrote: Another opinion piece spreading FUD about whitespaces: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/09/opinion/09nadler.html This guy claims And in rural areas, white spaces are often used for broadband access. That isn't true, is it? I didn't think anyone was currently using whitespaces. On February 15, at 4:24 PM February 15, Jack Unger wrote: http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0115/t.11322.html -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadcaster Gloats over Dead Microsoft Whitespace Test Device
This piece is FUD of the worst kind. 1) You are correct; no one is using whitespaces yet for broadband access. 2) This article appears to be a hit piece against the use of white space for license-free devices. The article is not only a hit piece but it's inaccurate as well. The inaccuracy that you noted appears to be a result of simple ignorance of the facts. jack John Valenti wrote: Another opinion piece spreading FUD about whitespaces: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/09/opinion/09nadler.html This guy claims And in rural areas, white spaces are often used for broadband access. That isn't true, is it? I didn't think anyone was currently using whitespaces. On February 15, at 4:24 PM February 15, Jack Unger wrote: http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0115/t.11322.html -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
