Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
Cogent's bandwidth is actually very high quality bandwidth now, and their tech support is great.. Cogent's current problem is their company's internal operational structure is a mess and clueless. Dispute resolution is impossible, and sales reps are powerless to help their clients.. (Its a shame, they have some good sales reps over there, that try real hard and deserve better.) But Cogent isn't the low ball transit provider anymore in colos. Cogent is still one of the lower few for standalone buildings at 100mbps. But there are lots of Gig-E providers that are cheaper now.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Cogent? I remember when they offered 1Gb/$3k and the ISPs jumped on it, then they bumped it to $6k for 1Gb for ISPs. I thought they recently went to $4/Mb with the We match any price. Although I didn't really like them when we were doing the servers/datacenter thing years ago, they have made some improvements to make themselves attractive. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of sa...@jeffcosoho.com Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Importance: High $600/mth for 100/100M in the US and EU on a 1GB port. $7/M if you burst over 100M. Basically you get $6/M for committed bandwidth and $7/M over commitment. If any of yawl want to send me your address off-list, I will see where the nearest POP is. My house is 33 miles from the data center and loop on fiber is $1700/mth. Yes, I could shoot it out here but I really like setting on glass. Jim Blair Davis wrote: $1600 per 10M here I'd kill for either of those deals! Josh Luthman wrote: $1500 for 20 megs here. Nearly double your cost. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Yup. We pay almost 800 bucks for 20/20 meg. To not do any shaping we would Thats cheap compared to what we pay! You are paying about $40 a meg. Is that tier1 bandwidth? We are paying about $100 meg for tier1. Matt have to charge way more than anyone will pay. Take the 800 bucks split by 20 then add overhead costs and it's too much to bear. Bandwidth that will handle 500+ customers with shaping would then, if totally net neutral, only go to 20 customers or less. To be true net neutral is just to pass all the traffic through with no touching it. Reasonable network management, as Josh says, is pretty broad in definition. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Problem - 900Mhz-WDS-incremental speeddegradetp Zero then drop- repeat.
Update for those Interested I loaded the newest stable rel MT OS v 3.30 on all the radio. It did not help. The problem still existed. To review we had two clients a and b, and b was the one that would drop link if pass traffic in upload direction. Initially it was impossible to upload the firmware to the clientB. So I temporarily disabled clientA, and then it was possible to successfully upload new OSfirmware to clientB. So, I replicated the setup in the lab today, with 5 MT SBCs, of the same type as in the field. The only difference is I was out of XR900s so I used 5.Xghz cards. Initially I could not relicate the problem. So I decided to enduce some noise (a Trango AP randomly pointing to and away and to the test bed in a controlled fassion). I was able to replicate the problem. And yes the 411 system (equivellent to clientB) that had 5db better signal was the one that dropped link when the Trango noise was induced, just like in the field. What was most interesting is the results of the Bandwdith test, when noise was induced. Note we were simultaneously running 1500byte ping across both radios simultanous to MT bandwidth test to clientB, and accross clientA we ran a timed Iperf to generate triffic. . When noise was slowly induced, the pings stopped passing traffic first, then about a second or two later, the MT Bandwidth test (same results set at UDP or TCP) started the incremental slow down, 800mbps to 700mbps, to 500mbps, to 300 mbps until reached Zero, and then when at Zero the wifi session to ClientB dropped. So first thing we realized is that the MT Bandwdith test incremental slow down was a misleading symptom. Its the results the tool will always show when any Noise gets injected onto the link to the level that full packet traffic won't pass. Second thing noticed... In our original test bed, clientB was on Station WDS, and CLientA on WDS Slave. This is because clientB is the 411 board and has License level 3, and we figured it would only support station modes. We also switched ClientA to station WDS, and when we did that, and injected noise, it took a bit longer and more noise before the noise caused links to drop, and it also eventually caused ClientA to also drop along with ClientB. That last test was done at end of day, as we were finishing up. Tommorrow, we are going to substitute a 433board for teh 411 board, and see if we get different results or not. Tommorrow we are also going to try different configuration methods other than WDS modes, to see if the links drop as easilly in the same way or not. So in summary I can conclusively say The original way I had radio configured wa sperfectly acceptable for low noise conditions. But with 900Mhz, I surely will run into sporatic noise, atleast at that site.. It is clear that noise was integating the odd behavior from the MT radios. It is also clear noise was at the AP side. What we still will be investigating is how come one radio was effected more than the other, and if we can find alternate MT configs to allow clients to be more noise resilient. In a nutshell, disconnections occured to soon on the one unit. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Problem - 900Mhz-WDS-incremental speeddegradetp Zero then drop- repeat. WDS and nstreme can be used with wireless-test I hear. Before that it was not workable at all. Any load seems to kill your links - that has to be kept on mind. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Well your problem reminded me of wds + nstreme problem is why I brought it up. I believe wireless-test will fix this. How can WDS and NStreme be used togeather? I thought it had to be one or the other? Any way you could test the links disconnected from the rest of the network and see if stressing the links drops it? Will do that if necessary, after firmware update. Are the links losing wireless association? Yes, they do when it reaches Zero mbps, then immediately restablishes association. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Problem - 900Mhz-WDS-incremental speed degradetp Zero then drop- repeat. Well your problem reminded me of wds + nstreme problem is why I brought it up. I believe wireless-test will fix this. Any
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
For the mainstream ISPs (the big RBOCs and MSOs), their bandwidth costs are very, very low and are a small fraction of their overall costs. However, that statement does ignore the costs of perpetually upgrading their network to handle larger volumes of bandwidth. From a cost perspective, that is the main motivation for the big players to shape traffic. However, even that is small compared to the potential loss of revenue if over the top video takes hold. -Clint On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: It's back http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,552503,00.html?test=latestnews I am just waiting for them to say bitcaps are a no no. When you think about it with a bit cap you cannot really use the Internet to completely replace the catv or dish service. Some consumers I am sure are going to say that's not fair and some clueless law makers will likely believe them. I have already heard some 'expert' IT people on blogs brag that bandwidth costs ISP's virtually nothing and the only reason for bitcaps is to prevent competing video services from taking market share. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
One thing you can bank on, it WILL take hold. The need for more Bandwidth won't be stopped anytime soon, I believe. Eventually most if not all communications will run over the same network, which if you think about it, all the communications out there seem to touch the internet at least in part. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality For the mainstream ISPs (the big RBOCs and MSOs), their bandwidth costs are very, very low and are a small fraction of their overall costs. However, that statement does ignore the costs of perpetually upgrading their network to handle larger volumes of bandwidth. From a cost perspective, that is the main motivation for the big players to shape traffic. However, even that is small compared to the potential loss of revenue if over the top video takes hold. -Clint On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: It's back http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,552503,00.html?test=latestnews I am just waiting for them to say bitcaps are a no no. When you think about it with a bit cap you cannot really use the Internet to completely replace the catv or dish service. Some consumers I am sure are going to say that's not fair and some clueless law makers will likely believe them. I have already heard some 'expert' IT people on blogs brag that bandwidth costs ISP's virtually nothing and the only reason for bitcaps is to prevent competing video services from taking market share. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Problem - 900Mhz-WDS-incremental speeddegradetp Zero then drop- repeat.
Now that is very useful info Tom. I look forward to your next report. Thanks! -RickG On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Update for those Interested I loaded the newest stable rel MT OS v 3.30 on all the radio. It did not help. The problem still existed. To review we had two clients a and b, and b was the one that would drop link if pass traffic in upload direction. Initially it was impossible to upload the firmware to the clientB. So I temporarily disabled clientA, and then it was possible to successfully upload new OSfirmware to clientB. So, I replicated the setup in the lab today, with 5 MT SBCs, of the same type as in the field. The only difference is I was out of XR900s so I used 5.Xghz cards. Initially I could not relicate the problem. So I decided to enduce some noise (a Trango AP randomly pointing to and away and to the test bed in a controlled fassion). I was able to replicate the problem. And yes the 411 system (equivellent to clientB) that had 5db better signal was the one that dropped link when the Trango noise was induced, just like in the field. What was most interesting is the results of the Bandwdith test, when noise was induced. Note we were simultaneously running 1500byte ping across both radios simultanous to MT bandwidth test to clientB, and accross clientA we ran a timed Iperf to generate triffic. . When noise was slowly induced, the pings stopped passing traffic first, then about a second or two later, the MT Bandwidth test (same results set at UDP or TCP) started the incremental slow down, 800mbps to 700mbps, to 500mbps, to 300 mbps until reached Zero, and then when at Zero the wifi session to ClientB dropped. So first thing we realized is that the MT Bandwdith test incremental slow down was a misleading symptom. Its the results the tool will always show when any Noise gets injected onto the link to the level that full packet traffic won't pass. Second thing noticed... In our original test bed, clientB was on Station WDS, and CLientA on WDS Slave. This is because clientB is the 411 board and has License level 3, and we figured it would only support station modes. We also switched ClientA to station WDS, and when we did that, and injected noise, it took a bit longer and more noise before the noise caused links to drop, and it also eventually caused ClientA to also drop along with ClientB. That last test was done at end of day, as we were finishing up. Tommorrow, we are going to substitute a 433board for teh 411 board, and see if we get different results or not. Tommorrow we are also going to try different configuration methods other than WDS modes, to see if the links drop as easilly in the same way or not. So in summary I can conclusively say The original way I had radio configured wa sperfectly acceptable for low noise conditions. But with 900Mhz, I surely will run into sporatic noise, atleast at that site.. It is clear that noise was integating the odd behavior from the MT radios. It is also clear noise was at the AP side. What we still will be investigating is how come one radio was effected more than the other, and if we can find alternate MT configs to allow clients to be more noise resilient. In a nutshell, disconnections occured to soon on the one unit. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Problem - 900Mhz-WDS-incremental speeddegradetp Zero then drop- repeat. WDS and nstreme can be used with wireless-test I hear. Before that it was not workable at all. Any load seems to kill your links - that has to be kept on mind. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Well your problem reminded me of wds + nstreme problem is why I brought it up. I believe wireless-test will fix this. How can WDS and NStreme be used togeather? I thought it had to be one or the other? Any way you could test the links disconnected from the rest of the network and see if stressing the links drops it? Will do that if necessary, after firmware update. Are the links losing wireless association? Yes, they do when it reaches Zero mbps, then immediately restablishes association. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Problem -
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
This is imminent. The questions is: whose network? -RickG On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: One thing you can bank on, it WILL take hold. The need for more Bandwidth won't be stopped anytime soon, I believe. Eventually most if not all communications will run over the same network, which if you think about it, all the communications out there seem to touch the internet at least in part. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality For the mainstream ISPs (the big RBOCs and MSOs), their bandwidth costs are very, very low and are a small fraction of their overall costs. However, that statement does ignore the costs of perpetually upgrading their network to handle larger volumes of bandwidth. From a cost perspective, that is the main motivation for the big players to shape traffic. However, even that is small compared to the potential loss of revenue if over the top video takes hold. -Clint On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: It's back http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,552503,00.html?test=latestnews I am just waiting for them to say bitcaps are a no no. When you think about it with a bit cap you cannot really use the Internet to completely replace the catv or dish service. Some consumers I am sure are going to say that's not fair and some clueless law makers will likely believe them. I have already heard some 'expert' IT people on blogs brag that bandwidth costs ISP's virtually nothing and the only reason for bitcaps is to prevent competing video services from taking market share. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
HAARP anyone? :) - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:55:35 PM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: [WISPA] Organite defense Anyone else tired of these do-gooders and their organite gifting of your towers? Here I am, minding my own business and they come and place this darned organite near my tower, messing up all the funny shaped clouds I've been working so hard to create for the government and their secret weather control project. I'm looking for something that can counter act this most powerful substance. Any ideas? My handlers at the NSA won't help, you all know how THAT goes! Always their needs, never mine. National security this, weather control that, blah, blah, blah Whatever. In case you aren't in the loop and haven't received your secret and confidential memo, look it up on You Tube. It will explain the danger. I feel like I need to sprinkle maybe some ground up goat spleen or something around the tower for protection from the organite energy waves... It works to slow my electric meter, maybe it will defend against this as well. Too bad Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies isn't with us any more, she would certainly know the fix for this. Suggestions are welcome. The serious side of this is that I see it's been going around and I just saw it. More crazies messing about the towers. I had a long conversation with a customer today about all of this, she was concerned about these weather experiments and wanted to know if we were involved. How do you defend against stupidity? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Buwa Michiana Wireless Phone: 574-233-7170 http://www.michianawireless.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
Never heard of such a thing. This is very interesting: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message519074/pg1 On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Anyone else tired of these do-gooders and their organite gifting of your towers? Here I am, minding my own business and they come and place this darned organite near my tower, messing up all the funny shaped clouds I've been working so hard to create for the government and their secret weather control project. I'm looking for something that can counter act this most powerful substance. Any ideas? My handlers at the NSA won't help, you all know how THAT goes! Always their needs, never mine. National security this, weather control that, blah, blah, blah Whatever. In case you aren't in the loop and haven't received your secret and confidential memo, look it up on You Tube. It will explain the danger. I feel like I need to sprinkle maybe some ground up goat spleen or something around the tower for protection from the organite energy waves... It works to slow my electric meter, maybe it will defend against this as well. Too bad Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies isn't with us any more, she would certainly know the fix for this. Suggestions are welcome. The serious side of this is that I see it's been going around and I just saw it. More crazies messing about the towers. I had a long conversation with a customer today about all of this, she was concerned about these weather experiments and wanted to know if we were involved. How do you defend against stupidity? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Koontz Lake, IN
Looking for a WISP that covers Koontz Lake, IN. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?
then try to go with guide not with coaxial cable. In this way on the tower you will have all-passive hardware. just my 2cents Ya thats not bad. The other problem with this tower is that because of the terrain, you cant get a bucket near it for most of the year. So, I was just trying to keep the electonics at the bottom. The other end is only about 2 miles so I bet I can squeeze enough signal with XR5 and no amp. Thanks to all! -RickG On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: ?? Lets see a 433 with two radio cards would be a few hundred for a complete repeater :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier? Gotcha. Unfortunately, this tower only has a half dozen subs. The cost of those options prohibit use in this scenario. Thanks again. -RickG On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: FCC friendly backhaul options as was suggested. The alternative in case you're unable to use an amplifier. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, Thanks for the link to a beautiful chart but what does it have to do with an amp? -RickG On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart - WISPTech http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: Big thank you to L-com. Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well. If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop the tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electronics atop the tower, so that argument doesn't hold water. On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:11AM -0400, RickG wrote: I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a license? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
The thing that caught my eye is they call is Tower Busting. Some, of these kooks were arrested down in South America in April for Assaulting communication towers. They call them Holy Hand grenades and when they place this stuff near you they call it Gifting. Take a look at this link.. http://educate-yourself.org/dc/HHgandTBupdate26may03.shtml This guy used a spud gun to shoot this BS at the towers in an attempt to change the Bad energy into good. Oh, and to combat the secret uses of the towers, mind control and weather changing. I know it all sounds silly but the ELF jerks out in Washington, I think it was or maybe Oregon, and in PA knocked towers down that they disapproved of. This isn't that far removed from the crazy level. And crazies will do ANYTHING. I know, I am one. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Never heard of such a thing. This is very interesting: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message519074/pg1 On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Anyone else tired of these do-gooders and their organite gifting of your towers? Here I am, minding my own business and they come and place this darned organite near my tower, messing up all the funny shaped clouds I've been working so hard to create for the government and their secret weather control project. I'm looking for something that can counter act this most powerful substance. Any ideas? My handlers at the NSA won't help, you all know how THAT goes! Always their needs, never mine. National security this, weather control that, blah, blah, blah Whatever. In case you aren't in the loop and haven't received your secret and confidential memo, look it up on You Tube. It will explain the danger. I feel like I need to sprinkle maybe some ground up goat spleen or something around the tower for protection from the organite energy waves... It works to slow my electric meter, maybe it will defend against this as well. Too bad Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies isn't with us any more, she would certainly know the fix for this. Suggestions are welcome. The serious side of this is that I see it's been going around and I just saw it. More crazies messing about the towers. I had a long conversation with a customer today about all of this, she was concerned about these weather experiments and wanted to know if we were involved. How do you defend against stupidity? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Koontz Lake, IN
I think John at Michianawireless.com is the closest but his service may stop a mile north. If you go to his website have your speakers turned down. (sorry john scares me to death every time) Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Koontz Lake, IN Looking for a WISP that covers Koontz Lake, IN. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Koontz Lake, IN
Fourway is around that area also. I've pinged Roland to see if he has coverage. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Koontz Lake, IN I think John at Michianawireless.com is the closest but his service may stop a mile north. If you go to his website have your speakers turned down. (sorry john scares me to death every time) Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Koontz Lake, IN Looking for a WISP that covers Koontz Lake, IN. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
New age medicine - it's very profitable on their side, for the rest of us on Earth it wastes so much time and money. New products are great but not when things are practiced without research. Damned placebo effect! Penn and Teller's show provides truth about these kinds of things. One of the best is acutonics. Yes, tuning forks tuned to the frequency of emotions to cure you. So dumb you can't make it up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? “Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee!” --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
Hey! That's not me, I've never been able to throw those Frisbees! We can't put them on our sector antennas. The government is paying us all this broadband stimulus money for us to let them use our antennas to conduct their mind control and weather experiments. I'm not about to give that cash up! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee! --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
Can you imagine how much money those people made though?! We should sell suggested RF protection hats/stickers/etc and use those funds for more APs. More APs means more coverage in new areas. The new area population needs suggested RF protection. Sounds like a good business model to me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? “Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee!” --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
Has anyone actually found any of these near their towers? I'd love to see pics. Maybe we could collect them and have a contest for best Holy Hand grenade find sometime... Jayson Baker wrote: Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? “Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee!” --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
Aluminum foil hats for sale, we produce the RF, We will protect you from the RF. Win Win money maker. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Can you imagine how much money those people made though?! We should sell suggested RF protection hats/stickers/etc and use those funds for more APs. More APs means more coverage in new areas. The new area population needs suggested RF protection. Sounds like a good business model to me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee! --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
If you read the link I posted, you'll see this guy had a friend who was shooting this stuff at the towers and shot it right through the radome cover. As I said, even here in rural Ohio I was sitting in an old lady's living room as she grilled me about us being involved in the mind control and weather changing programs. And yes, the words HAARP came right out of her mouth. I was just like Uhhh..., am I on a hidden camera show? Just be aware, I've been doing some reading and they even have some radio show guy promoting doing this trash. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense New age medicine - it's very profitable on their side, for the rest of us on Earth it wastes so much time and money. New products are great but not when things are practiced without research. Damned placebo effect! Penn and Teller's show provides truth about these kinds of things. One of the best is acutonics. Yes, tuning forks tuned to the frequency of emotions to cure you. So dumb you can't make it up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
But if you add those sitckers, you'll get 1000dB more gain. Which means the government's spying capabilities will be increased. You should totally do it. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Hey! That's not me, I've never been able to throw those Frisbees! We can't put them on our sector antennas. The government is paying us all this broadband stimulus money for us to let them use our antennas to conduct their mind control and weather experiments. I'm not about to give that cash up! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee! --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
I think I still have my tin-foil hat someplace. I bet Napoleon Dynamite's uncle and brother are somehow involved in this. They've had a chip on their shoulder ever since they put those crystals in wrong on the time machine they made and fried Napoleon's crotch. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Can you imagine how much money those people made though?! We should sell suggested RF protection hats/stickers/etc and use those funds for more APs. More APs means more coverage in new areas. The new area population needs suggested RF protection. Sounds like a good business model to me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee! --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
Just like that secret organization that makes the viruses!!! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Aluminum foil hats for sale, we produce the RF, We will protect you from the RF. Win Win money maker. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Can you imagine how much money those people made though?! We should sell suggested RF protection hats/stickers/etc and use those funds for more APs. More APs means more coverage in new areas. The new area population needs suggested RF protection. Sounds like a good business model to me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee! --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
Reminds me of a Primestar install about 100 years ago out in the boonies of Colorado. Hippie Lady told the installer she didn't want the dish on her roof, because she was concerned about the radiation. She thought there was an individual spot beam on the satellite, pointing directly at only her dish. The installer couldn't convince her otherwise, and installed it in the yard. Pretty damn good spot beam on that satellite. From 23,000 miles away that must be, what... 0.001 degree beamwidth? On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Aluminum foil hats for sale, we produce the RF, We will protect you from the RF. Win Win money maker. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Can you imagine how much money those people made though?! We should sell suggested RF protection hats/stickers/etc and use those funds for more APs. More APs means more coverage in new areas. The new area population needs suggested RF protection. Sounds like a good business model to me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee! --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
Then they need to pony up some more cash. Those NSA SOB's are tighter than a bolt on a 40 year old 25G tower. They won't pay more so I'm not giving them more. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense But if you add those sitckers, you'll get 1000dB more gain. Which means the government's spying capabilities will be increased. You should totally do it. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Hey! That's not me, I've never been able to throw those Frisbees! We can't put them on our sector antennas. The government is paying us all this broadband stimulus money for us to let them use our antennas to conduct their mind control and weather experiments. I'm not about to give that cash up! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee! --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
I just figured it up... that would take me beyond my legal EIRP. The NSA may hold the purse strings but the FCC are their own type of evil doer and I don't need to cross them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense But if you add those sitckers, you'll get 1000dB more gain. Which means the government's spying capabilities will be increased. You should totally do it. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Hey! That's not me, I've never been able to throw those Frisbees! We can't put them on our sector antennas. The government is paying us all this broadband stimulus money for us to let them use our antennas to conduct their mind control and weather experiments. I'm not about to give that cash up! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee! --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for
No problem, The New World Order can handle that. They can pry my firewall from my cold, dead hands. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
I didn't realize sand was organic. Silicon Oxide doesn't sound organic. But it must be as the site says fiberglass is organic. Oh well, maybe I should have taken organic chemistry. It think Reich may have something in the name, though, or - gone. He must have been talking about common sense when he named it. Steve Barnes wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2390 - Release Date: 09/23/09 05:52:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
Cocaine is organic and natural. So is dihydrogen monoxide which is extremely lethal. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: I didn't realize sand was organic. Silicon Oxide doesn't sound organic. But it must be as the site says fiberglass is organic. Oh well, maybe I should have taken organic chemistry. It think Reich may have something in the name, though, or - gone. He must have been talking about common sense when he named it. Steve Barnes wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2390 - Release Date: 09/23/09 05:52:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
I think we've all learned the lessons of dihydrogen monoxide the hard way. Thanks for bringing THOSE memories back, Josh! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Cocaine is organic and natural. So is dihydrogen monoxide which is extremely lethal. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: I didn't realize sand was organic. Silicon Oxide doesn't sound organic. But it must be as the site says fiberglass is organic. Oh well, maybe I should have taken organic chemistry. It think Reich may have something in the name, though, or - gone. He must have been talking about common sense when he named it. Steve Barnes wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2390 - Release Date: 09/23/09 05:52:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
40 days and 40 nights.. ug. Talk about Animal Farm... Robert West wrote: I think we've all learned the lessons of dihydrogen monoxide the hard way. Thanks for bringing THOSE memories back, Josh! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Cocaine is organic and natural. So is dihydrogen monoxide which is extremely lethal. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: I didn't realize sand was organic. Silicon Oxide doesn't sound organic. But it must be as the site says fiberglass is organic. Oh well, maybe I should have taken organic chemistry. It think Reich may have something in the name, though, or - gone. He must have been talking about common sense when he named it. Steve Barnes wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2390 - Release Date: 09/23/09 05:52:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
Shh! Don't say that! I have to work on a 40 year old 25G tower in a couple days. Remove top section, install additional 10', reinstall top section. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Then they need to pony up some more cash. Those NSA SOB's are tighter than a bolt on a 40 year old 25G tower. They won't pay more so I'm not giving them more. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense But if you add those sitckers, you'll get 1000dB more gain. Which means the government's spying capabilities will be increased. You should totally do it. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Hey! That's not me, I've never been able to throw those Frisbees! We can't put them on our sector antennas. The government is paying us all this broadband stimulus money for us to let them use our antennas to conduct their mind control and weather experiments. I'm not about to give that cash up! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee! --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
I hear ya, brother. I have one to take all the way down weekend after next, 35 years old though. The wife wants to help me. Do I need illustrate my pain any further? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Shh! Don't say that! I have to work on a 40 year old 25G tower in a couple days. Remove top section, install additional 10', reinstall top section. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Then they need to pony up some more cash. Those NSA SOB's are tighter than a bolt on a 40 year old 25G tower. They won't pay more so I'm not giving them more. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense But if you add those sitckers, you'll get 1000dB more gain. Which means the government's spying capabilities will be increased. You should totally do it. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Hey! That's not me, I've never been able to throw those Frisbees! We can't put them on our sector antennas. The government is paying us all this broadband stimulus money for us to let them use our antennas to conduct their mind control and weather experiments. I'm not about to give that cash up! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee! --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for
Gary Garrett wrote: No problem, The New World Order can handle that. What do Hollywood Hogan, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall have to do with the Internet? David Smith MVN.net NWO 4 LIFE WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
I'd like to see a picture. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I hear ya, brother. I have one to take all the way down weekend after next, 35 years old though. The wife wants to help me. Do I need illustrate my pain any further? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Shh! Don't say that! I have to work on a 40 year old 25G tower in a couple days. Remove top section, install additional 10', reinstall top section. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Then they need to pony up some more cash. Those NSA SOB's are tighter than a bolt on a 40 year old 25G tower. They won't pay more so I'm not giving them more. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense But if you add those sitckers, you'll get 1000dB more gain. Which means the government's spying capabilities will be increased. You should totally do it. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Hey! That's not me, I've never been able to throw those Frisbees! We can't put them on our sector antennas. The government is paying us all this broadband stimulus money for us to let them use our antennas to conduct their mind control and weather experiments. I'm not about to give that cash up! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee! --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for
They have all been to Al Gore's house for dinner? Al must be in this riddle someplace. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for Gary Garrett wrote: No problem, The New World Order can handle that. What do Hollywood Hogan, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall have to do with the Internet? David Smith MVN.net NWO 4 LIFE WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
You got it! I'll be taking a few anyhow. It will save us moneyblah, blah, blah.. She has a death wish on me, is all. I can take one down with one other person. Totally doable. But the requirements of the one other person should be someone who is taller than 5' 2, weigh more than 98 pounds and not complain how much their back hurts 6 days out of 7. Dead? Yep. I'll be wearing some dirt before it's over, maybe on purpose. As the saying goes, it's not the fall that kills you.. It's having your wife help you take down a 35 year old tower. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense I'd like to see a picture. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I hear ya, brother. I have one to take all the way down weekend after next, 35 years old though. The wife wants to help me. Do I need illustrate my pain any further? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Shh! Don't say that! I have to work on a 40 year old 25G tower in a couple days. Remove top section, install additional 10', reinstall top section. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Then they need to pony up some more cash. Those NSA SOB's are tighter than a bolt on a 40 year old 25G tower. They won't pay more so I'm not giving them more. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense But if you add those sitckers, you'll get 1000dB more gain. Which means the government's spying capabilities will be increased. You should totally do it. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Hey! That's not me, I've never been able to throw those Frisbees! We can't put them on our sector antennas. The government is paying us all this broadband stimulus money for us to let them use our antennas to conduct their mind control and weather experiments. I'm not about to give that cash up! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee! --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
Call up the local high school and see if a kid wants $50. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: You got it! I'll be taking a few anyhow. It will save us moneyblah, blah, blah.. She has a death wish on me, is all. I can take one down with one other person. Totally doable. But the requirements of the one other person should be someone who is taller than 5' 2, weigh more than 98 pounds and not complain how much their back hurts 6 days out of 7. Dead? Yep. I'll be wearing some dirt before it's over, maybe on purpose. As the saying goes, it's not the fall that kills you.. It's having your wife help you take down a 35 year old tower. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense I'd like to see a picture. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I hear ya, brother. I have one to take all the way down weekend after next, 35 years old though. The wife wants to help me. Do I need illustrate my pain any further? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Shh! Don't say that! I have to work on a 40 year old 25G tower in a couple days. Remove top section, install additional 10', reinstall top section. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Then they need to pony up some more cash. Those NSA SOB's are tighter than a bolt on a 40 year old 25G tower. They won't pay more so I'm not giving them more. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense But if you add those sitckers, you'll get 1000dB more gain. Which means the government's spying capabilities will be increased. You should totally do it. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Hey! That's not me, I've never been able to throw those Frisbees! We can't put them on our sector antennas. The government is paying us all this broadband stimulus money for us to let them use our antennas to conduct their mind control and weather experiments. I'm not about to give that cash up! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee! --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
I totally thought about doing just that! Pay them 50 bucks and tell the wife I paid them 10. That's the only way, my man. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Call up the local high school and see if a kid wants $50. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: You got it! I'll be taking a few anyhow. It will save us moneyblah, blah, blah.. She has a death wish on me, is all. I can take one down with one other person. Totally doable. But the requirements of the one other person should be someone who is taller than 5' 2, weigh more than 98 pounds and not complain how much their back hurts 6 days out of 7. Dead? Yep. I'll be wearing some dirt before it's over, maybe on purpose. As the saying goes, it's not the fall that kills you.. It's having your wife help you take down a 35 year old tower. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense I'd like to see a picture. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I hear ya, brother. I have one to take all the way down weekend after next, 35 years old though. The wife wants to help me. Do I need illustrate my pain any further? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Shh! Don't say that! I have to work on a 40 year old 25G tower in a couple days. Remove top section, install additional 10', reinstall top section. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Then they need to pony up some more cash. Those NSA SOB's are tighter than a bolt on a 40 year old 25G tower. They won't pay more so I'm not giving them more. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense But if you add those sitckers, you'll get 1000dB more gain. Which means the government's spying capabilities will be increased. You should totally do it. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Hey! That's not me, I've never been able to throw those Frisbees! We can't put them on our sector antennas. The government is paying us all this broadband stimulus money for us to let them use our antennas to conduct their mind control and weather experiments. I'm not about to give that cash up! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee! --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
If you don't cheat you can't get caught... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I totally thought about doing just that! Pay them 50 bucks and tell the wife I paid them 10. That's the only way, my man. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Call up the local high school and see if a kid wants $50. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: You got it! I'll be taking a few anyhow. It will save us moneyblah, blah, blah.. She has a death wish on me, is all. I can take one down with one other person. Totally doable. But the requirements of the one other person should be someone who is taller than 5' 2, weigh more than 98 pounds and not complain how much their back hurts 6 days out of 7. Dead? Yep. I'll be wearing some dirt before it's over, maybe on purpose. As the saying goes, it's not the fall that kills you.. It's having your wife help you take down a 35 year old tower. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense I'd like to see a picture. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I hear ya, brother. I have one to take all the way down weekend after next, 35 years old though. The wife wants to help me. Do I need illustrate my pain any further? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Shh! Don't say that! I have to work on a 40 year old 25G tower in a couple days. Remove top section, install additional 10', reinstall top section. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Then they need to pony up some more cash. Those NSA SOB's are tighter than a bolt on a 40 year old 25G tower. They won't pay more so I'm not giving them more. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense But if you add those sitckers, you'll get 1000dB more gain. Which means the government's spying capabilities will be increased. You should totally do it. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Hey! That's not me, I've never been able to throw those Frisbees! We can't put them on our sector antennas. The government is paying us all this broadband stimulus money for us to let them use our antennas to conduct their mind control and weather experiments. I'm not about to give that cash up! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee! --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM,
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
You're not a married man, are ya Josh... :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense If you don't cheat you can't get caught... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I totally thought about doing just that! Pay them 50 bucks and tell the wife I paid them 10. That's the only way, my man. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Call up the local high school and see if a kid wants $50. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: You got it! I'll be taking a few anyhow. It will save us moneyblah, blah, blah.. She has a death wish on me, is all. I can take one down with one other person. Totally doable. But the requirements of the one other person should be someone who is taller than 5' 2, weigh more than 98 pounds and not complain how much their back hurts 6 days out of 7. Dead? Yep. I'll be wearing some dirt before it's over, maybe on purpose. As the saying goes, it's not the fall that kills you.. It's having your wife help you take down a 35 year old tower. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense I'd like to see a picture. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I hear ya, brother. I have one to take all the way down weekend after next, 35 years old though. The wife wants to help me. Do I need illustrate my pain any further? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Shh! Don't say that! I have to work on a 40 year old 25G tower in a couple days. Remove top section, install additional 10', reinstall top section. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Then they need to pony up some more cash. Those NSA SOB's are tighter than a bolt on a 40 year old 25G tower. They won't pay more so I'm not giving them more. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense But if you add those sitckers, you'll get 1000dB more gain. Which means the government's spying capabilities will be increased. You should totally do it. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Hey! That's not me, I've never been able to throw those Frisbees! We can't put them on our sector antennas. The government is paying us all this broadband stimulus money for us to let them use our antennas to conduct their mind control and weather experiments. I'm not about to give that cash up! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
Being married is all politics. It's not cheating. Yes, I paid them 10 bucks. I just don't say how many times I pay the 10 bucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense If you don't cheat you can't get caught... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I totally thought about doing just that! Pay them 50 bucks and tell the wife I paid them 10. That's the only way, my man. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Call up the local high school and see if a kid wants $50. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: You got it! I'll be taking a few anyhow. It will save us moneyblah, blah, blah.. She has a death wish on me, is all. I can take one down with one other person. Totally doable. But the requirements of the one other person should be someone who is taller than 5' 2, weigh more than 98 pounds and not complain how much their back hurts 6 days out of 7. Dead? Yep. I'll be wearing some dirt before it's over, maybe on purpose. As the saying goes, it's not the fall that kills you.. It's having your wife help you take down a 35 year old tower. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense I'd like to see a picture. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I hear ya, brother. I have one to take all the way down weekend after next, 35 years old though. The wife wants to help me. Do I need illustrate my pain any further? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Shh! Don't say that! I have to work on a 40 year old 25G tower in a couple days. Remove top section, install additional 10', reinstall top section. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Then they need to pony up some more cash. Those NSA SOB's are tighter than a bolt on a 40 year old 25G tower. They won't pay more so I'm not giving them more. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense But if you add those sitckers, you'll get 1000dB more gain. Which means the government's spying capabilities will be increased. You should totally do it. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Hey! That's not me, I've never been able to throw those Frisbees! We can't put them on our sector antennas. The government is paying us all this broadband stimulus money for us to let them use our antennas to conduct their mind control and weather experiments. I'm not about to give that cash up! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
If I were married I'm pretty sure I wouldn't make it to 30 before a series of heart attacks, strokes, aneurysms and many other serious internal health problems. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Being married is all politics. It's not cheating. Yes, I paid them 10 bucks. I just don't say how many times I pay the 10 bucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense If you don't cheat you can't get caught... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I totally thought about doing just that! Pay them 50 bucks and tell the wife I paid them 10. That's the only way, my man. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Call up the local high school and see if a kid wants $50. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: You got it! I'll be taking a few anyhow. It will save us moneyblah, blah, blah.. She has a death wish on me, is all. I can take one down with one other person. Totally doable. But the requirements of the one other person should be someone who is taller than 5' 2, weigh more than 98 pounds and not complain how much their back hurts 6 days out of 7. Dead? Yep. I'll be wearing some dirt before it's over, maybe on purpose. As the saying goes, it's not the fall that kills you.. It's having your wife help you take down a 35 year old tower. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense I'd like to see a picture. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I hear ya, brother. I have one to take all the way down weekend after next, 35 years old though. The wife wants to help me. Do I need illustrate my pain any further? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Shh! Don't say that! I have to work on a 40 year old 25G tower in a couple days. Remove top section, install additional 10', reinstall top section. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Then they need to pony up some more cash. Those NSA SOB's are tighter than a bolt on a 40 year old 25G tower. They won't pay more so I'm not giving them more. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense But if you add those sitckers, you'll get 1000dB more gain. Which means the government's spying capabilities will be increased. You should totally do it. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Hey! That's not me, I've never been able to throw those Frisbees! We can't put them on our sector antennas. The government is paying us all this broadband stimulus money for us to let them use our antennas to conduct their mind control and weather
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Josh, you are wise beyond your years. Me, I'm just a masochist. I can't go a day without being slapped down. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense If I were married I'm pretty sure I wouldn't make it to 30 before a series of heart attacks, strokes, aneurysms and many other serious internal health problems. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Being married is all politics. It's not cheating. Yes, I paid them 10 bucks. I just don't say how many times I pay the 10 bucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense If you don't cheat you can't get caught... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I totally thought about doing just that! Pay them 50 bucks and tell the wife I paid them 10. That's the only way, my man. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Call up the local high school and see if a kid wants $50. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: You got it! I'll be taking a few anyhow. It will save us moneyblah, blah, blah.. She has a death wish on me, is all. I can take one down with one other person. Totally doable. But the requirements of the one other person should be someone who is taller than 5' 2, weigh more than 98 pounds and not complain how much their back hurts 6 days out of 7. Dead? Yep. I'll be wearing some dirt before it's over, maybe on purpose. As the saying goes, it's not the fall that kills you.. It's having your wife help you take down a 35 year old tower. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense I'd like to see a picture. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I hear ya, brother. I have one to take all the way down weekend after next, 35 years old though. The wife wants to help me. Do I need illustrate my pain any further? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Shh! Don't say that! I have to work on a 40 year old 25G tower in a couple days. Remove top section, install additional 10', reinstall top section. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Then they need to pony up some more cash. Those NSA SOB's are tighter than a bolt on a 40 year old 25G tower. They won't pay more so I'm not giving them more. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense But if you add those sitckers, you'll get 1000dB more gain. Which means the government's spying capabilities will be increased. You should totally do it. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Robert West
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Title: Thank You, If a man says something in the woods and no woman is there to hear him, is he still wrong? :-) Thank You, Brian Webster Robert West wrote: Josh, you are wise beyond your years. Me, I'm just a masochist. I can't go a day without being slapped down. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense If I were married I'm pretty sure I wouldn't make it to 30 before a series of heart attacks, strokes, aneurysms and many other serious internal health problems. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Being married is all politics. It's not cheating. Yes, I paid them 10 bucks. I just don't say how many times I pay the 10 bucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense If you don't cheat you can't get caught... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I totally thought about doing just that! Pay them 50 bucks and tell the wife I paid them 10. That's the only way, my man. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Call up the local high school and see if a kid wants $50. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: You got it! I'll be taking a few anyhow. "It will save us moneyblah, blah, blah.." She has a death wish on me, is all. I can take one down with one other person. Totally doable. But the requirements of the one other person should be someone who is taller than 5' 2", weigh more than 98 pounds and not complain how much their back hurts 6 days out of 7. Dead? Yep. I'll be wearing some dirt before it's over, maybe on purpose. As the saying goes, it's not the fall that kills you.. It's having your wife help you take down a 35 year old tower. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense I'd like to see a picture. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I hear ya, brother. I have one to take all the way down weekend after next, 35 years old though. The wife wants to help me. Do I need illustrate my pain any further? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Shh! Don't say that! I have to work on a 40 year old 25G tower in a couple days. Remove top section, install additional 10', reinstall top section. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Then they need to pony up some more cash. Those NSA SOB's are tighter than
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Trick question. He is wrong if you ask the woman who didn't listen. He is right if you want the truth. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: If a man says something in the woods and no woman is there to hear him, is he still wrong? :-) Thank You, Brian Webster Robert West wrote: Josh, you are wise beyond your years. Me, I'm just a masochist. I can't go a day without being slapped down. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense If I were married I'm pretty sure I wouldn't make it to 30 before a series of heart attacks, strokes, aneurysms and many other serious internal health problems. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Being married is all politics. It's not cheating. Yes, I paid them 10 bucks. I just don't say how many times I pay the 10 bucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense If you don't cheat you can't get caught... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I totally thought about doing just that! Pay them 50 bucks and tell the wife I paid them 10. That's the only way, my man. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Call up the local high school and see if a kid wants $50. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: You got it! I'll be taking a few anyhow. It will save us moneyblah, blah, blah.. She has a death wish on me, is all. I can take one down with one other person. Totally doable. But the requirements of the one other person should be someone who is taller than 5' 2, weigh more than 98 pounds and not complain how much their back hurts 6 days out of 7. Dead? Yep. I'll be wearing some dirt before it's over, maybe on purpose. As the saying goes, it's not the fall that kills you.. It's having your wife help you take down a 35 year old tower. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense I'd like to see a picture. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I hear ya, brother. I have one to take all the way down weekend after next, 35 years old though. The wife wants to help me. Do I need illustrate my pain any further? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Shh! Don't say that! I have to work on a 40 year old 25G tower in a couple days. Remove top section, install additional 10', reinstall top section. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Robert
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My wife says Yes with that sound and look a woman only can do when you ask a stupid question. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense If a man says something in the woods and no woman is there to hear him, is he still wrong? :-) Thank You, Brian Webster Robert West wrote: Josh, you are wise beyond your years. Me, I'm just a masochist. I can't go a day without being slapped down. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense If I were married I'm pretty sure I wouldn't make it to 30 before a series of heart attacks, strokes, aneurysms and many other serious internal health problems. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Being married is all politics. It's not cheating. Yes, I paid them 10 bucks. I just don't say how many times I pay the 10 bucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense If you don't cheat you can't get caught... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I totally thought about doing just that! Pay them 50 bucks and tell the wife I paid them 10. That's the only way, my man. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Call up the local high school and see if a kid wants $50. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: You got it! I'll be taking a few anyhow. It will save us moneyblah, blah, blah.. She has a death wish on me, is all. I can take one down with one other person. Totally doable. But the requirements of the one other person should be someone who is taller than 5' 2, weigh more than 98 pounds and not complain how much their back hurts 6 days out of 7. Dead? Yep. I'll be wearing some dirt before it's over, maybe on purpose. As the saying goes, it's not the fall that kills you.. It's having your wife help you take down a 35 year old tower. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense I'd like to see a picture. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I hear ya, brother. I have one to take all the way down weekend after next, 35 years old though. The wife wants to help me. Do I need illustrate my pain any further? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Shh! Don't say that! I have to work on a 40 year old 25G tower in a couple days. Remove top section, install additional 10', reinstall top section. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Then they need to pony up some more cash. Those NSA SOB's are tighter than a
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Customer looking for service in Cedarville/Clifton area in Ohio. Let me know if you can hit it. Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
WTF? I hope you're not smoking that sh1t! At 10:28 AM 9/23/2009, you wrote: Never heard of such a thing. This is very interesting: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message519074/pg1 On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Anyone else tired of these do-gooders and their organite gifting of your towers? Here I am, minding my own business and they come and place this darned organite near my tower, messing up all the funny shaped clouds I've been working so hard to create for the government and their secret weather control project. I'm looking for something that can counter act this most powerful substance. Any ideas? My handlers at the NSA won't help, you all know how THAT goes! Always their needs, never mine. National security this, weather control that, blah, blah, blah Whatever. In case you aren't in the loop and haven't received your secret and confidential memo, look it up on You Tube. It will explain the danger. I feel like I need to sprinkle maybe some ground up goat spleen or something around the tower for protection from the organite energy waves... It works to slow my electric meter, maybe it will defend against this as well. Too bad Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies isn't with us any more, she would certainly know the fix for this. Suggestions are welcome. The serious side of this is that I see it's been going around and I just saw it. More crazies messing about the towers. I had a long conversation with a customer today about all of this, she was concerned about these weather experiments and wanted to know if we were involved. How do you defend against stupidity? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
Yes because somehow she will KNOW he said something and she'll tell him about it the moment he gets home. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense If a man says something in the woods and no woman is there to hear him, is he still wrong? :-) Thank You, Brian Webster Robert West wrote: Josh, you are wise beyond your years. Me, I'm just a masochist. I can't go a day without being slapped down. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense If I were married I'm pretty sure I wouldn't make it to 30 before a series of heart attacks, strokes, aneurysms and many other serious internal health problems. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Being married is all politics. It's not cheating. Yes, I paid them 10 bucks. I just don't say how many times I pay the 10 bucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense If you don't cheat you can't get caught... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I totally thought about doing just that! Pay them 50 bucks and tell the wife I paid them 10. That's the only way, my man. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Call up the local high school and see if a kid wants $50. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: You got it! I'll be taking a few anyhow. It will save us moneyblah, blah, blah.. She has a death wish on me, is all. I can take one down with one other person. Totally doable. But the requirements of the one other person should be someone who is taller than 5' 2, weigh more than 98 pounds and not complain how much their back hurts 6 days out of 7. Dead? Yep. I'll be wearing some dirt before it's over, maybe on purpose. As the saying goes, it's not the fall that kills you.. It's having your wife help you take down a 35 year old tower. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense I'd like to see a picture. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I hear ya, brother. I have one to take all the way down weekend after next, 35 years old though. The wife wants to help me. Do I need illustrate my pain any further? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Shh! Don't say that! I have to work on a 40 year old 25G tower in a couple days. Remove top section, install additional 10', reinstall top section. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Then they need to pony up some more cash. Those NSA SOB's are tighter than
Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh?
Not yet but probably near the end of October. There is no other wireless in the area that I know of and the DSL doesn't extent out to the rural areas. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? Customer looking for service in Cedarville/Clifton area in Ohio. Let me know if you can hit it. Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Link Planning Software
What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Agreed, Radio Mobile has a slight learning curve, but nothing really unusual. I'd also take a look into Cameron Crum's www.wispmon.com application. Among many, many features he has a really nice profiler built-in now. I've been a Radio Mobile user for years, but have grown to really like the profiler Cameron has integrated into his Wispmon program. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Radio Mobile is what I typically use, but I can't help but share this: LigoWave Link Calculator http://www.ligowave.com/linkcalc/main.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh?
Josh! My pal! (You know I want something, right?) Hey, I never thought of it but I'm trying to get access into Blanchester, Ohio and for one, what is your southern most tower and two, would you be able to bounce to Blanchester from that tower? The tower is 300' and the land elevation is 1000'. I was talking to Cinci Time Warner and they want to charge me 1200 bucks just to run COPPER from the road to the tower site. My ass, 1200 bucks. Sheeesh! I can't hit the thing myself due to a ridge between me and this site. So the question is, if you have a site that can hit us, could we have our access installed there on a temporary basis just for the jump to Blan and then pay you for the pleasure of it? It's all in the planning stages but access has been a major pain in my butt over there. Looking for any options. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? I'm not aware of any WISPs in that area. I think I would be closest (but my closest tower is Huber Heights). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Not yet but probably near the end of October. There is no other wireless in the area that I know of and the DSL doesn't extent out to the rural areas. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? Customer looking for service in Cedarville/Clifton area in Ohio. Let me know if you can hit it. Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Pretty slick, but way, way too small of a window for my dual 30 monitors! It's like trying to read a full size fold out map in your lap through a paper towel roll! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Radio Mobile is what I typically use, but I can't help but share this: LigoWave Link Calculator http://www.ligowave.com/linkcalc/main.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Hi Shaddi, You know what would be cool. Is a few things * Use the features of Radio Mobile as a basis for radio-propogation o SRTM3 Terrain Mapping o Flexible Radio Network Topology (VoiceNet, Master/Slave, etc,.) o Point to point link analysis o Visual Coverage o Might be pie in the sky, but at least a good direction feature wise, implementation is up to you. * ANND... Add some wiki style features like a database of Radios, Antennas o Radios + Spectrum + Power + Sensitivity + etc,. o Antennas + Gain + Panel Type + Images? + Antenna Spread (Polar map) But I think the easiest thing for you would be to start with the SRTM3 dataset, see if you can render that into a browser so people could do basic LOS functionality. The added plus for us (US being an NGO doing field installations) would adding extra data points to the terrain data to get a more accurate reading. (Some areas only get 90m resolution 'i think' and the USA gets 30m resolution.) So if we could load GPS trails that would show us the difference between SRTM and the GPS readings we could do better simulations. Thats my 2c in the pot. -Israel Shaddi Hasan wrote: Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh?
Usually TW says it's $30, 000 to do anything that's not already done. You want a line from the pole to your house? $30k. You want an upgrade your way? $30k. You want X done (where X=not complete)? $30k. All of my customers that call me after TWC say this. Sorry to say, though, we're way too far. http://inxwireless.com/coverage If you want to get there at no cost it's about 18 miles with a hill half way in between. You'll need 5.7GHz or higher and to be at the peaks just to clear the Earth. Coming from: (39.86987065182751, -84.11548018455505) 300' tower at 991' Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Josh! My pal! (You know I want something, right?) Hey, I never thought of it but I'm trying to get access into Blanchester, Ohio and for one, what is your southern most tower and two, would you be able to bounce to Blanchester from that tower? The tower is 300' and the land elevation is 1000'. I was talking to Cinci Time Warner and they want to charge me 1200 bucks just to run COPPER from the road to the tower site. My ass, 1200 bucks. Sheeesh! I can't hit the thing myself due to a ridge between me and this site. So the question is, if you have a site that can hit us, could we have our access installed there on a temporary basis just for the jump to Blan and then pay you for the pleasure of it? It's all in the planning stages but access has been a major pain in my butt over there. Looking for any options. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? I'm not aware of any WISPs in that area. I think I would be closest (but my closest tower is Huber Heights). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Not yet but probably near the end of October. There is no other wireless in the area that I know of and the DSL doesn't extent out to the rural areas. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? Customer looking for service in Cedarville/Clifton area in Ohio. Let me know if you can hit it. Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Fine on my 15.4 and 20. Maybe you shouldn't jump the gun with those 30 ones! Try this guide for your PTP link: http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/point-to-point-link.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Pretty slick, but way, way too small of a window for my dual 30 monitors! It's like trying to read a full size fold out map in your lap through a paper towel roll! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Radio Mobile is what I typically use, but I can't help but share this: LigoWave Link Calculator http://www.ligowave.com/linkcalc/main.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
To make things worse, it has snowed here about 4-5 every day for the last 3 days. It's about 28 degrees outside right now. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I hear ya, brother. I have one to take all the way down weekend after next, 35 years old though. The wife wants to help me. Do I need illustrate my pain any further? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Shh! Don't say that! I have to work on a 40 year old 25G tower in a couple days. Remove top section, install additional 10', reinstall top section. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Then they need to pony up some more cash. Those NSA SOB's are tighter than a bolt on a 40 year old 25G tower. They won't pay more so I'm not giving them more. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense But if you add those sitckers, you'll get 1000dB more gain. Which means the government's spying capabilities will be increased. You should totally do it. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Hey! That's not me, I've never been able to throw those Frisbees! We can't put them on our sector antennas. The government is paying us all this broadband stimulus money for us to let them use our antennas to conduct their mind control and weather experiments. I'm not about to give that cash up! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Maybe you should just order some of the cell phone protector sticky sheets and stick them to all your sector antennas: http://www.envirohealthtech.com/images/earthcalm%20ecoTec.jpg Dumb. Almost as dumb as those stupid sticky cell phone antenna booster things of the early 2000's. What ever happened to those? People finally realized a plastic piece of sticky tape that costs $15 didn't really improve reception? Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee! --Eric Cartman On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: For those of you who are like me, What the heck is Organite. Try this link. http://www.envirohealthtech.com/orgonite.htm Sheesh, (Banging head on desk) Why can't these people do something constructive with their time and energy. Wonder what genius is getting rich on this one. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
I use radio mobile it takes a bit of time to work out but it is good. Richard 2009/9/23 Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com: It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh?
At no cost? Explain what no cost is? 30k is crazy. That just sounds like an easy way to say We don't want to do it. $1200 isn't really bad but it's still high for someone living on the edge due to building too much network way too quickly! But, I can't 'Not build. I'm not looking for more headaches, the come to me and I figure I better take it now because the opportunities to expand may not be there in the future. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? Usually TW says it's $30, 000 to do anything that's not already done. You want a line from the pole to your house? $30k. You want an upgrade your way? $30k. You want X done (where X=not complete)? $30k. All of my customers that call me after TWC say this. Sorry to say, though, we're way too far. http://inxwireless.com/coverage If you want to get there at no cost it's about 18 miles with a hill half way in between. You'll need 5.7GHz or higher and to be at the peaks just to clear the Earth. Coming from: (39.86987065182751, -84.11548018455505) 300' tower at 991' Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Josh! My pal! (You know I want something, right?) Hey, I never thought of it but I'm trying to get access into Blanchester, Ohio and for one, what is your southern most tower and two, would you be able to bounce to Blanchester from that tower? The tower is 300' and the land elevation is 1000'. I was talking to Cinci Time Warner and they want to charge me 1200 bucks just to run COPPER from the road to the tower site. My ass, 1200 bucks. Sheeesh! I can't hit the thing myself due to a ridge between me and this site. So the question is, if you have a site that can hit us, could we have our access installed there on a temporary basis just for the jump to Blan and then pay you for the pleasure of it? It's all in the planning stages but access has been a major pain in my butt over there. Looking for any options. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? I'm not aware of any WISPs in that area. I think I would be closest (but my closest tower is Huber Heights). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Not yet but probably near the end of October. There is no other wireless in the area that I know of and the DSL doesn't extent out to the rural areas. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? Customer looking for service in Cedarville/Clifton area in Ohio. Let me know if you can hit it. Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You!
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh?
I meant any cost - not no cost. Wish I was home. That's exactly what it is, they don't want to unless they get WAY overcompensated for it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: At no cost? Explain what no cost is? 30k is crazy. That just sounds like an easy way to say We don't want to do it. $1200 isn't really bad but it's still high for someone living on the edge due to building too much network way too quickly! But, I can't 'Not build. I'm not looking for more headaches, the come to me and I figure I better take it now because the opportunities to expand may not be there in the future. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? Usually TW says it's $30, 000 to do anything that's not already done. You want a line from the pole to your house? $30k. You want an upgrade your way? $30k. You want X done (where X=not complete)? $30k. All of my customers that call me after TWC say this. Sorry to say, though, we're way too far. http://inxwireless.com/coverage If you want to get there at no cost it's about 18 miles with a hill half way in between. You'll need 5.7GHz or higher and to be at the peaks just to clear the Earth. Coming from: (39.86987065182751, -84.11548018455505) 300' tower at 991' Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Josh! My pal! (You know I want something, right?) Hey, I never thought of it but I'm trying to get access into Blanchester, Ohio and for one, what is your southern most tower and two, would you be able to bounce to Blanchester from that tower? The tower is 300' and the land elevation is 1000'. I was talking to Cinci Time Warner and they want to charge me 1200 bucks just to run COPPER from the road to the tower site. My ass, 1200 bucks. Sheeesh! I can't hit the thing myself due to a ridge between me and this site. So the question is, if you have a site that can hit us, could we have our access installed there on a temporary basis just for the jump to Blan and then pay you for the pleasure of it? It's all in the planning stages but access has been a major pain in my butt over there. Looking for any options. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? I'm not aware of any WISPs in that area. I think I would be closest (but my closest tower is Huber Heights). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Not yet but probably near the end of October. There is no other wireless in the area that I know of and the DSL doesn't extent out to the rural areas. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? Customer looking for service in Cedarville/Clifton area in Ohio. Let me know if you can hit it. Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Actually... If you have the lastest radio mobile it is able to automatically pull down the SRTM3 files. What I did in one case where I didnt have the SRTM file, and I was going to be out in the field I downloaded the files by hand from this site. http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM3/North_America/ OR from Nasa Direct. And (unzipped) put them in a directory for radio mobile (Same directory as described in the map properties window) And actually I just re-ran my radiomobile program, and its automatically grabbing the SRTM Data (140 sets to be exact) This is what I have setup for my 'internet options' Im running version 9.8.1 Robert West wrote: Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Doh. Forgot cant use HTML email and pasted images. I will see if I cant make a PDF guide or so on how to get terrain data. -Israel Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: Actually... If you have the lastest radio mobile it is able to automatically pull down the SRTM3 files. What I did in one case where I didnt have the SRTM file, and I was going to be out in the field I downloaded the files by hand from this site. http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM3/North_America/ OR from Nasa Direct. And (unzipped) put them in a directory for radio mobile (Same directory as described in the map properties window) And actually I just re-ran my radiomobile program, and its automatically grabbing the SRTM Data (140 sets to be exact) This is what I have setup for my 'internet options' Im running version 9.8.1 Robert West wrote: Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
That same Pizon site has you update GTOPO30 data. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS ilopezli...@sandboxitsolutions.com wrote: Actually... If you have the lastest radio mobile it is able to automatically pull down the SRTM3 files. What I did in one case where I didnt have the SRTM file, and I was going to be out in the field I downloaded the files by hand from this site. http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM3/North_America/ OR from Nasa Direct. And (unzipped) put them in a directory for radio mobile (Same directory as described in the map properties window) And actually I just re-ran my radiomobile program, and its automatically grabbing the SRTM Data (140 sets to be exact) This is what I have setup for my 'internet options' Im running version 9.8.1 Robert West wrote: Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh?
I understand that 100%. 30k is just a big chump charge with the person paying being the chump. Hey, but thanks for looking into the link. Nothing lost, I'm just listing all the options I can think of. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? I meant any cost - not no cost. Wish I was home. That's exactly what it is, they don't want to unless they get WAY overcompensated for it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: At no cost? Explain what no cost is? 30k is crazy. That just sounds like an easy way to say We don't want to do it. $1200 isn't really bad but it's still high for someone living on the edge due to building too much network way too quickly! But, I can't 'Not build. I'm not looking for more headaches, the come to me and I figure I better take it now because the opportunities to expand may not be there in the future. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? Usually TW says it's $30, 000 to do anything that's not already done. You want a line from the pole to your house? $30k. You want an upgrade your way? $30k. You want X done (where X=not complete)? $30k. All of my customers that call me after TWC say this. Sorry to say, though, we're way too far. http://inxwireless.com/coverage If you want to get there at no cost it's about 18 miles with a hill half way in between. You'll need 5.7GHz or higher and to be at the peaks just to clear the Earth. Coming from: (39.86987065182751, -84.11548018455505) 300' tower at 991' Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Josh! My pal! (You know I want something, right?) Hey, I never thought of it but I'm trying to get access into Blanchester, Ohio and for one, what is your southern most tower and two, would you be able to bounce to Blanchester from that tower? The tower is 300' and the land elevation is 1000'. I was talking to Cinci Time Warner and they want to charge me 1200 bucks just to run COPPER from the road to the tower site. My ass, 1200 bucks. Sheeesh! I can't hit the thing myself due to a ridge between me and this site. So the question is, if you have a site that can hit us, could we have our access installed there on a temporary basis just for the jump to Blan and then pay you for the pleasure of it? It's all in the planning stages but access has been a major pain in my butt over there. Looking for any options. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? I'm not aware of any WISPs in that area. I think I would be closest (but my closest tower is Huber Heights). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Not yet but probably near the end of October. There is no other wireless in the area that I know of and the DSL doesn't extent out to the rural areas. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? Customer looking for service in Cedarville/Clifton area in Ohio. Let me know if you can hit it. Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Thanks! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Doh. Forgot cant use HTML email and pasted images. I will see if I cant make a PDF guide or so on how to get terrain data. -Israel Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: Actually... If you have the lastest radio mobile it is able to automatically pull down the SRTM3 files. What I did in one case where I didnt have the SRTM file, and I was going to be out in the field I downloaded the files by hand from this site. http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM3/North_America/ OR from Nasa Direct. And (unzipped) put them in a directory for radio mobile (Same directory as described in the map properties window) And actually I just re-ran my radiomobile program, and its automatically grabbing the SRTM Data (140 sets to be exact) This is what I have setup for my 'internet options' Im running version 9.8.1 Robert West wrote: Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh?
No problem. If you need something a bit more north west let me know =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I understand that 100%. 30k is just a big chump charge with the person paying being the chump. Hey, but thanks for looking into the link. Nothing lost, I'm just listing all the options I can think of. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? I meant any cost - not no cost. Wish I was home. That's exactly what it is, they don't want to unless they get WAY overcompensated for it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: At no cost? Explain what no cost is? 30k is crazy. That just sounds like an easy way to say We don't want to do it. $1200 isn't really bad but it's still high for someone living on the edge due to building too much network way too quickly! But, I can't 'Not build. I'm not looking for more headaches, the come to me and I figure I better take it now because the opportunities to expand may not be there in the future. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? Usually TW says it's $30, 000 to do anything that's not already done. You want a line from the pole to your house? $30k. You want an upgrade your way? $30k. You want X done (where X=not complete)? $30k. All of my customers that call me after TWC say this. Sorry to say, though, we're way too far. http://inxwireless.com/coverage If you want to get there at no cost it's about 18 miles with a hill half way in between. You'll need 5.7GHz or higher and to be at the peaks just to clear the Earth. Coming from: (39.86987065182751, -84.11548018455505) 300' tower at 991' Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Josh! My pal! (You know I want something, right?) Hey, I never thought of it but I'm trying to get access into Blanchester, Ohio and for one, what is your southern most tower and two, would you be able to bounce to Blanchester from that tower? The tower is 300' and the land elevation is 1000'. I was talking to Cinci Time Warner and they want to charge me 1200 bucks just to run COPPER from the road to the tower site. My ass, 1200 bucks. Sheeesh! I can't hit the thing myself due to a ridge between me and this site. So the question is, if you have a site that can hit us, could we have our access installed there on a temporary basis just for the jump to Blan and then pay you for the pleasure of it? It's all in the planning stages but access has been a major pain in my butt over there. Looking for any options. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? I'm not aware of any WISPs in that area. I think I would be closest (but my closest tower is Huber Heights). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Not yet but probably near the end of October. There is no other wireless in the area that I know of and the DSL doesn't extent out to the rural areas. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List'
Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh?
Okay, will do. Didn't know you were that close to Cedarville. We aren't going to build out towards Dayton, never fear, my man. We will be moving eastward. That will probably be our northern limit for the time being -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? No problem. If you need something a bit more north west let me know =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I understand that 100%. 30k is just a big chump charge with the person paying being the chump. Hey, but thanks for looking into the link. Nothing lost, I'm just listing all the options I can think of. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? I meant any cost - not no cost. Wish I was home. That's exactly what it is, they don't want to unless they get WAY overcompensated for it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: At no cost? Explain what no cost is? 30k is crazy. That just sounds like an easy way to say We don't want to do it. $1200 isn't really bad but it's still high for someone living on the edge due to building too much network way too quickly! But, I can't 'Not build. I'm not looking for more headaches, the come to me and I figure I better take it now because the opportunities to expand may not be there in the future. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? Usually TW says it's $30, 000 to do anything that's not already done. You want a line from the pole to your house? $30k. You want an upgrade your way? $30k. You want X done (where X=not complete)? $30k. All of my customers that call me after TWC say this. Sorry to say, though, we're way too far. http://inxwireless.com/coverage If you want to get there at no cost it's about 18 miles with a hill half way in between. You'll need 5.7GHz or higher and to be at the peaks just to clear the Earth. Coming from: (39.86987065182751, -84.11548018455505) 300' tower at 991' Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Josh! My pal! (You know I want something, right?) Hey, I never thought of it but I'm trying to get access into Blanchester, Ohio and for one, what is your southern most tower and two, would you be able to bounce to Blanchester from that tower? The tower is 300' and the land elevation is 1000'. I was talking to Cinci Time Warner and they want to charge me 1200 bucks just to run COPPER from the road to the tower site. My ass, 1200 bucks. Sheeesh! I can't hit the thing myself due to a ridge between me and this site. So the question is, if you have a site that can hit us, could we have our access installed there on a temporary basis just for the jump to Blan and then pay you for the pleasure of it? It's all in the planning stages but access has been a major pain in my butt over there. Looking for any options. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? I'm not aware of any WISPs in that area. I think I would be closest (but my closest tower is Huber Heights). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Not yet
Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh?
Dayton is an RF wall - I'm glad you're not wasting your time =) We are moving north, but do plan on going east from where we are. Hopefully we run parallel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Okay, will do. Didn't know you were that close to Cedarville. We aren't going to build out towards Dayton, never fear, my man. We will be moving eastward. That will probably be our northern limit for the time being -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? No problem. If you need something a bit more north west let me know =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I understand that 100%. 30k is just a big chump charge with the person paying being the chump. Hey, but thanks for looking into the link. Nothing lost, I'm just listing all the options I can think of. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? I meant any cost - not no cost. Wish I was home. That's exactly what it is, they don't want to unless they get WAY overcompensated for it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: At no cost? Explain what no cost is? 30k is crazy. That just sounds like an easy way to say We don't want to do it. $1200 isn't really bad but it's still high for someone living on the edge due to building too much network way too quickly! But, I can't 'Not build. I'm not looking for more headaches, the come to me and I figure I better take it now because the opportunities to expand may not be there in the future. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cedarville Oh? Usually TW says it's $30, 000 to do anything that's not already done. You want a line from the pole to your house? $30k. You want an upgrade your way? $30k. You want X done (where X=not complete)? $30k. All of my customers that call me after TWC say this. Sorry to say, though, we're way too far. http://inxwireless.com/coverage If you want to get there at no cost it's about 18 miles with a hill half way in between. You'll need 5.7GHz or higher and to be at the peaks just to clear the Earth. Coming from: (39.86987065182751, -84.11548018455505) 300' tower at 991' Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Josh! My pal! (You know I want something, right?) Hey, I never thought of it but I'm trying to get access into Blanchester, Ohio and for one, what is your southern most tower and two, would you be able to bounce to Blanchester from that tower? The tower is 300' and the land elevation is 1000'. I was talking to Cinci Time Warner and they want to charge me 1200 bucks just to run COPPER from the road to the tower site. My ass, 1200 bucks. Sheeesh! I can't hit the thing myself due to a ridge between me and this site. So the question is, if you have a site that can hit us, could we have our access installed there on a temporary basis just for the jump to Blan and then pay you for the pleasure of it? It's all in the planning stages but access has been a major pain in my butt over there. Looking for any options. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Re: [WISPA] [Tower-pro] Watch out for Bullets!
Negligance? I will be damned. What state? There has to be a better state charge available. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: kevinuhlig kevinuh...@yahoo.com To: tower-...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:39 PM Subject: [Tower-pro] Watch out for Bullets! Be careful out there! I was shot in the leg while trying to do my job on the tower. Absolutely crazy! Go to the tower-pro forum for more: Click here http://www.tower-pro.net/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1253738039/0#0 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Crash course: First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe: http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html Once installed (leave program closed) download http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder (overwrite): - rmpatheng.exe - rmUpdateeng.exe - rmweng.exe - rmweng.hlp Run rmUpdateeng.exe This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc installed. Open RM (rmweng.exe) Go to Options -- Internet -- SRTM - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and leep a local copy - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X - Close this window Now you are ready to start using RM Go to File -- New Networks - New Net initialization - Use default values - OK Go to File -- Map Properties - Elevation data source SRTM - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started) - Set size to 50km high - Click Extract Go to Edit -- Merge - Choose Internet MapPoint - Draw you should end up with a map that has terrain data. now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Not to be repetitive, but you are describing RadioMobile John the RM Yahoo group and see if you can't get it to do just what you are looking for. Seems to me Marlon Schaffer found someone to help him learn it a few months ago. I don't remember who. I can help some if you want to ask questions off-list. Robert West wrote: I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2390 - Release Date: 09/23/09 05:52:00 -- Scott
Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?
For a 1/2 dozen subs? I should probably put in a backup generator too! On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: then try to go with guide not with coaxial cable. In this way on the tower you will have all-passive hardware. just my 2cents Ya thats not bad. The other problem with this tower is that because of the terrain, you cant get a bucket near it for most of the year. So, I was just trying to keep the electonics at the bottom. The other end is only about 2 miles so I bet I can squeeze enough signal with XR5 and no amp. Thanks to all! -RickG On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: ?? Lets see a 433 with two radio cards would be a few hundred for a complete repeater :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier? Gotcha. Unfortunately, this tower only has a half dozen subs. The cost of those options prohibit use in this scenario. Thanks again. -RickG On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: FCC friendly backhaul options as was suggested. The alternative in case you're unable to use an amplifier. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, Thanks for the link to a beautiful chart but what does it have to do with an amp? -RickG On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart - WISPTech http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: Big thank you to L-com. Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well. If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop the tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is electronics atop the tower, so that argument doesn't hold water. On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:11AM -0400, RickG wrote: I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a HAM license to purchase it. I thought unlicensed freqs dont require a license? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ | Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Maine http://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Actually I just found this: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/14302 Seems to sum up what I was trying to say =D -Israel Robert West wrote: Thanks! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Doh. Forgot cant use HTML email and pasted images. I will see if I cant make a PDF guide or so on how to get terrain data. -Israel Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: Actually... If you have the lastest radio mobile it is able to automatically pull down the SRTM3 files. What I did in one case where I didnt have the SRTM file, and I was going to be out in the field I downloaded the files by hand from this site. http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM3/North_America/ OR from Nasa Direct. And (unzipped) put them in a directory for radio mobile (Same directory as described in the map properties window) And actually I just re-ran my radiomobile program, and its automatically grabbing the SRTM Data (140 sets to be exact) This is what I have setup for my 'internet options' Im running version 9.8.1 Robert West wrote: Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... Are you STILL up?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Robert, There are several tutorials online. Try http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html -RickG On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Large green patches wouldn't work here. From May - September, everything in 300 miles is green. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
That's a lot of green...where is this? On 9/24/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Large green patches wouldn't work here. From May - September, everything in 300 miles is green. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
It may sound stupid, but I use Delorm Topo 4 Plot your endpoints, draw a line and look at the trerrian profile. Add the antenna heights and you should have a real good idea if it will work or not. I played with Radio Mobile for a long time. It works, but Delorm is faster and eaiser for PtP links. Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
