Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Always! I go get a GPS reading and take a look at the location before I try to plot it out Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've used Topo USA quite a bit. But in the end, going to the site is the best way. We've made links work that I'd have sworn didn't stand a chance. And others that should be a slam dunk work like crap. Feet on the ground. marlon - Original Message - From: "Robert West" robert.w...@just-micro.com To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] Link Planning Software What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. "Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore." WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NAT Limits on StarOS/Mikrotik
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:30:55PM -0600, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: connections coming into it. This server is running StarOS. We have about 1700 subs NATted behind a single IP address on this server. Behind it, I have a Mikrotik server that is handling all traffic coming into that server from the private network side. Looking at the IP/Firewall/Connections listing on this server, I see 69000-71000 items Time to use more IPs. The one server may be able to handle the load, but you need a pool of IPs. I'd go for 8 or 16 IPs to start with and try to get down to 1 IP for 100 or 200 hosts. Then I'd go get a /20 from ARIN, to start, and work on doing it without the NAT. You have the hosts to justify it. That many subs on PPPoE would probably only need a /21, but with DHCP subnets per sector, you could need a /19 or more. I dislike NAT at the ISP level. It's not horrible at the SOHO level. Has IPv6 come to the Mikrotik/StarOS world? -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
ATT set a text message volume record the day MJ died... 65,000 messages per second. http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-3gs-breaks-all-kinds-of-att-sales-records-jacksons-death-breaks-texting-records-2009-7 I use a couple thousand every month. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com St. Louis Broadband wrote: For a fact! Now that I am thinking of it...what kind of bandwidth do the telcos have to provide for this, now industry standard technology of txt? I know that a text message does not consist of much traffic, but add to that the new millions of millions subscribers to unlimited text. It could add up... Or add the txt msg with a pic...now we are getting into some bandwidth. Or then add the GPS, google me, check my stocks...ect. traffic. I would love to see the cellular carriers bandwidth usage stats. V -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:32 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Seriously 30k? On 9/29/09, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
!) an anomaly of some sort 2) the apple doesn't fall far from the tree 3) she FOUND boys in a big way 4) all of the above I pick 4) all of the above. If you read Verizon's TOS, text messages are not guaranteed to be delivered, take the least cost path, and might arrive well after they are sent. My experience is they handle messaging from their network quite well, from other networks less well, and from the Internet not well at all. I have certain equipment sending me email (text) messages through an SMTP relay server. Sometimes the messages arrive right away, some times in a few minutes, and sometimes hours later! 30 thousand! Maybe there is an option 5) she is engaging in some sort of e-enterprise and is blazing some trails, but, that would fall under 2) the apple doesn't fall far from the tree! :-) At 11:41 PM 9/28/2009, you wrote: For a fact! Now that I am thinking of it...what kind of bandwidth do the telcos have to provide for this, now industry standard technology of txt? I know that a text message does not consist of much traffic, but add to that the new millions of millions subscribers to unlimited text. It could add up... Or add the txt msg with a pic...now we are getting into some bandwidth. Or then add the GPS, google me, check my stocks...ect. traffic. I would love to see the cellular carriers bandwidth usage stats. V -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:32 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Seriously 30k? On 9/29/09, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900
So far, I'm a huge fan of the Alvarion VL 900. The latest revision is much better than the original release. Speeds are quite impressive. We have not tested it yet, but supposed to do up to 8mbit in a 5mhz channel. Assuming you get a real clean channel. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of my_em...@webjogger.net Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900 Hi, We're planning to upgrade a lot of our 900MHz equipment which is currently predominantly Alvarion Breeze Access 900. The main goal is to provide the customer with better speeds The 2 options I'm considering are Alvarion VL900 and Waverider CCU8000 I was wondering if anyone has experience with using both of these radios, and if so, all considered which one do you think is generally better? Thanks, -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NAT Limits on StarOS/Mikrotik
I would assume its possible, On the mikrotik router under connection tracking, Maybe drop some of the times? No clue if that will really hurt something or not, but it should make your connections clear faster. Nat at the ISP level sounds like a nightmare. Like Scott said, get yourself a real block and start moving people over to it. Well define come to It will do IPv6 on alot of things. I'm running a 6to4 tunnel, addressing by neighbor discovery. And OSPFv3. So far the only thing that gets me is torch doesn't work on ipv6, rather you don't see and of the traffic. With your lan side of the router, if your address space is a /64 you can just click advertise and computers find themselves a address (vista and xp (with ipv6 package)). Linux will also get a address, but I still prefer static ipv6. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NAT Limits on StarOS/Mikrotik On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:30:55PM -0600, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: connections coming into it. This server is running StarOS. We have about 1700 subs NATted behind a single IP address on this server. Behind it, I have a Mikrotik server that is handling all traffic coming into that server from the private network side. Looking at the IP/Firewall/Connections listing on this server, I see 69000-71000 items Time to use more IPs. The one server may be able to handle the load, but you need a pool of IPs. I'd go for 8 or 16 IPs to start with and try to get down to 1 IP for 100 or 200 hosts. Then I'd go get a /20 from ARIN, to start, and work on doing it without the NAT. You have the hosts to justify it. That many subs on PPPoE would probably only need a /21, but with DHCP subnets per sector, you could need a /19 or more. I dislike NAT at the ISP level. It's not horrible at the SOHO level. Has IPv6 come to the Mikrotik/StarOS world? -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 04:39 +, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: There will be an employees that will confiscate her phone or fire her for abuse. s/employers/employees/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Funny that you would answer this question from your phone. ;-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NAT Limits on StarOS/Mikrotik
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 01:47 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote: Has IPv6 come to the Mikrotik/StarOS world? Mikrotik, yes. StarOS, I don't know. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
On Mon, September 28, 2009 11:11 pm, St. Louis Broadband wrote: However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! She needs to train harder or she'll never get that record. Two central Pennsylvania friends spent most of March in a text-messaging record attempt, exchanging a thumbs-flying total of 217,000. For one of the two, that meant an inches-thick itemized bill for $26,000. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/22/texting-record-attempt-re_n_190307.html How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? As others have said, if she uses Twitter and has configured her account to send updates directly to her phone, that's potentially hundreds of incoming messages a day all by itself. Your daughter's receiving only a thousand messages a day; I'm not sure if you could realistically read and respond to all of them, but receiving that many isn't much of a stretch at all. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
I had to have 2 Compuserve accounts back in 1988 because their accounts had a $500 limit per month! I still don't understand the text explosion. Over 100 years of innovation just to go back to what is essentially Morse code. Boggles the mind. Soon they'll discover punch cards and paper tape to load their ringtones. What's with all those cards in your backpack, Cassie? My new ring tone by Fallen. It only took a little over 8,000 punch cards! Cool. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:11 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NAT Limits on StarOS/Mikrotik
You could also simply take blocks of IPs, so 10.0.0.0/12 or something, and go out one IP, and the next one, go out another IP :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NAT Limits on StarOS/Mikrotik I would assume its possible, On the mikrotik router under connection tracking, Maybe drop some of the times? No clue if that will really hurt something or not, but it should make your connections clear faster. Nat at the ISP level sounds like a nightmare. Like Scott said, get yourself a real block and start moving people over to it. Well define come to It will do IPv6 on alot of things. I'm running a 6to4 tunnel, addressing by neighbor discovery. And OSPFv3. So far the only thing that gets me is torch doesn't work on ipv6, rather you don't see and of the traffic. With your lan side of the router, if your address space is a /64 you can just click advertise and computers find themselves a address (vista and xp (with ipv6 package)). Linux will also get a address, but I still prefer static ipv6. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NAT Limits on StarOS/Mikrotik On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:30:55PM -0600, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: connections coming into it. This server is running StarOS. We have about 1700 subs NATted behind a single IP address on this server. Behind it, I have a Mikrotik server that is handling all traffic coming into that server from the private network side. Looking at the IP/Firewall/Connections listing on this server, I see 69000-71000 items Time to use more IPs. The one server may be able to handle the load, but you need a pool of IPs. I'd go for 8 or 16 IPs to start with and try to get down to 1 IP for 100 or 200 hosts. Then I'd go get a /20 from ARIN, to start, and work on doing it without the NAT. You have the hosts to justify it. That many subs on PPPoE would probably only need a /21, but with DHCP subnets per sector, you could need a /19 or more. I dislike NAT at the ISP level. It's not horrible at the SOHO level. Has IPv6 come to the Mikrotik/StarOS world? -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
Oh hell, sounds like my daughter. Sailed right through school, top of the class. Top 3% in the SATs and now, starting 3rd year in college, she finally discovered boys. The talk with her has moved from school to having boyfriend injected in every conversation. And I still have no met him. Scary. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:27 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages LOL, u assume wrong. She started junior college when she was 16 and made the deans list her first semester J But now she is 18 and has discovered or been discovered by boys. V From: Nick Olsen [mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:20 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the unlimited text package. Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill your standard monthly charge plus $7,625. .25x30500 I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting texting while in school? /me assumes shes in highschool at 18 (senior I figure). Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 _ From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
This is why ATT is now hitting their customers now for that previously unlimited bandwidth. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:42 AM To: 'Josh Luthman'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages For a fact! Now that I am thinking of it...what kind of bandwidth do the telcos have to provide for this, now industry standard technology of txt? I know that a text message does not consist of much traffic, but add to that the new millions of millions subscribers to unlimited text. It could add up... Or add the txt msg with a pic...now we are getting into some bandwidth. Or then add the GPS, google me, check my stocks...ect. traffic. I would love to see the cellular carriers bandwidth usage stats. V -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:32 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Seriously 30k? On 9/29/09, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
I use.. None. Hate the things. I'm just old. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:28 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages ATT set a text message volume record the day MJ died... 65,000 messages per second. http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-3gs-breaks-all-kinds-of-att-sales-reco rds-jacksons-death-breaks-texting-records-2009-7 I use a couple thousand every month. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com St. Louis Broadband wrote: For a fact! Now that I am thinking of it...what kind of bandwidth do the telcos have to provide for this, now industry standard technology of txt? I know that a text message does not consist of much traffic, but add to that the new millions of millions subscribers to unlimited text. It could add up... Or add the txt msg with a pic...now we are getting into some bandwidth. Or then add the GPS, google me, check my stocks...ect. traffic. I would love to see the cellular carriers bandwidth usage stats. V -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:32 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Seriously 30k? On 9/29/09, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
Lol, very nice. When I spoke to her about this last night, she said well it does not always send right away... First off this is no excuse, you are still sending the txt msg... I think it is option 5, but I have not figured out the e-enterprise and it must not pay to well. V -Original Message- From: Mike [mailto:m...@aweiowa.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:29 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages !) an anomaly of some sort 2) the apple doesn't fall far from the tree 3) she FOUND boys in a big way 4) all of the above I pick 4) all of the above. If you read Verizon's TOS, text messages are not guaranteed to be delivered, take the least cost path, and might arrive well after they are sent. My experience is they handle messaging from their network quite well, from other networks less well, and from the Internet not well at all. I have certain equipment sending me email (text) messages through an SMTP relay server. Sometimes the messages arrive right away, some times in a few minutes, and sometimes hours later! 30 thousand! Maybe there is an option 5) she is engaging in some sort of e-enterprise and is blazing some trails, but, that would fall under 2) the apple doesn't fall far from the tree! :-) At 11:41 PM 9/28/2009, you wrote: For a fact! Now that I am thinking of it...what kind of bandwidth do the telcos have to provide for this, now industry standard technology of txt? I know that a text message does not consist of much traffic, but add to that the new millions of millions subscribers to unlimited text. It could add up... Or add the txt msg with a pic...now we are getting into some bandwidth. Or then add the GPS, google me, check my stocks...ect. traffic. I would love to see the cellular carriers bandwidth usage stats. V -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:32 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Seriously 30k? On 9/29/09, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
Her head start that we figured was going to let her take the lead of the pack, game to a slamming halt. I am not sure really what it was, but that is when I noticed the txt msg addiction. And I truly believe it is an addiction, she sleeps with the damn phone next to her... Teenage girls are amazing. It really ticks me that she is actually more computer literate than I in some applications. When I am trying to figure it out, she looks at me like omg...she mom is so slow. She can key over 100wpm and is accurate. V -Original Message- From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:44 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Oh hell, sounds like my daughter. Sailed right through school, top of the class. Top 3% in the SATs and now, starting 3rd year in college, she finally discovered boys. The talk with her has moved from school to having boyfriend injected in every conversation. And I still have no met him. Scary. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:27 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages LOL, u assume wrong. She started junior college when she was 16 and made the deans list her first semester J But now she is 18 and has discovered or been discovered by boys. V From: Nick Olsen [mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:20 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the unlimited text package. Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill your standard monthly charge plus $7,625. .25x30500 I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting texting while in school? /me assumes shes in highschool at 18 (senior I figure). Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 _ From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
Thanks Dave, I will let her know...lol! I am sure that they are going to raise my unlimited text messages...I would! V -Original Message- From: David E. Smith [mailto:d...@mvn.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:46 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages On Mon, September 28, 2009 11:11 pm, St. Louis Broadband wrote: However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! She needs to train harder or she'll never get that record. Two central Pennsylvania friends spent most of March in a text-messaging record attempt, exchanging a thumbs-flying total of 217,000. For one of the two, that meant an inches-thick itemized bill for $26,000. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/22/texting-record-attempt-re_n_190307. html How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? As others have said, if she uses Twitter and has configured her account to send updates directly to her phone, that's potentially hundreds of incoming messages a day all by itself. Your daughter's receiving only a thousand messages a day; I'm not sure if you could realistically read and respond to all of them, but receiving that many isn't much of a stretch at all. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900
The last I check waverider was claiming their ccu8000 would push 13mbps. I have used the CCU8000 with the eum8000 and was only able to pull a 4mb test from the ccu. At that point the customer was thrilled. 4mbps beats dialup any day. But the point remains that I was only able to get 4mbps. On a side note if you are considering Waverider equipment. Invest in rubber tape and dielectric grease. I have a whole shed full of dead radios because water got into the ethernet connector. Good luck, Ron On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com wrote: So far, I'm a huge fan of the Alvarion VL 900. The latest revision is much better than the original release. Speeds are quite impressive. We have not tested it yet, but supposed to do up to 8mbit in a 5mhz channel. Assuming you get a real clean channel. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of my_em...@webjogger.net Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900 Hi, We're planning to upgrade a lot of our 900MHz equipment which is currently predominantly Alvarion Breeze Access 900. The main goal is to provide the customer with better speeds The 2 options I'm considering are Alvarion VL900 and Waverider CCU8000 I was wondering if anyone has experience with using both of these radios, and if so, all considered which one do you think is generally better? Thanks, -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
Can I get your cell phone number, assuming her number is just one or two up or down? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:04 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Thanks Dave, I will let her know...lol! I am sure that they are going to raise my unlimited text messages...I would! V -Original Message- From: David E. Smith [mailto:d...@mvn.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:46 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages On Mon, September 28, 2009 11:11 pm, St. Louis Broadband wrote: However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! She needs to train harder or she'll never get that record. Two central Pennsylvania friends spent most of March in a text-messaging record attempt, exchanging a thumbs-flying total of 217,000. For one of the two, that meant an inches-thick itemized bill for $26,000. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/22/texting-record-attempt-re_n_190307. htmlhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/22/texting-record-attempt-re_n_190307.%0Ahtml How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? As others have said, if she uses Twitter and has configured her account to send updates directly to her phone, that's potentially hundreds of incoming messages a day all by itself. Your daughter's receiving only a thousand messages a day; I'm not sure if you could realistically read and respond to all of them, but receiving that many isn't much of a stretch at all. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900
The Ethernet setup for the Alvarion VL is nice same as other VL units. However the SU-VL-900 units only come in a SU-E form required the use of external antenna. I'm fine with this, but one thing to keep in mind. I hope the will have the option for the future with a built in 9 or 10dbi antenna but for now, just external. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ron Calhoun Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900 The last I check waverider was claiming their ccu8000 would push 13mbps. I have used the CCU8000 with the eum8000 and was only able to pull a 4mb test from the ccu. At that point the customer was thrilled. 4mbps beats dialup any day. But the point remains that I was only able to get 4mbps. On a side note if you are considering Waverider equipment. Invest in rubber tape and dielectric grease. I have a whole shed full of dead radios because water got into the ethernet connector. Good luck, Ron On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com wrote: So far, I'm a huge fan of the Alvarion VL 900. The latest revision is much better than the original release. Speeds are quite impressive. We have not tested it yet, but supposed to do up to 8mbit in a 5mhz channel. Assuming you get a real clean channel. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of my_em...@webjogger.net Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900 Hi, We're planning to upgrade a lot of our 900MHz equipment which is currently predominantly Alvarion Breeze Access 900. The main goal is to provide the customer with better speeds The 2 options I'm considering are Alvarion VL900 and Waverider CCU8000 I was wondering if anyone has experience with using both of these radios, and if so, all considered which one do you think is generally better? Thanks, -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Dragonwave Backhaul
What are people paying for dragonwave horizon quantom backhauls? I'm looking at putting 2 links up. How solid are these? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
And the below message proves that my txt skills are off...(however I corrected it;) What really blows my mind is that she does not want book learning she wants to be an entrepreneur, or a tower climber...I am not sure that she know the meaning of either. I tell her that is an entrepreneur is job that does not pay too well. And tower climbing is a cool job but, by State law, cannot text. Gawd, I screwed her up...lol. V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:03 AM To: 'Robert West'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Her head start that we figured was going to let her take the lead of the pack, came to a slamming halt. I am not sure really what it was, but that is when I noticed the txt msg addiction. And I truly believe it is an addiction, she sleeps with the damn phone next to her... Teenage girls are amazing. It really ticks me that she is actually more computer literate than I in some applications. When I am trying to figure it out, she looks at me like omg...mom is so slow. She can key over 100wpm and is accurate. V -Original Message- From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:44 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Oh hell, sounds like my daughter. Sailed right through school, top of the class. Top 3% in the SATs and now, starting 3rd year in college, she finally discovered boys. The talk with her has moved from school to having boyfriend injected in every conversation. And I still have no met him. Scary. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:27 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages LOL, u assume wrong. She started junior college when she was 16 and made the deans list her first semester J But now she is 18 and has discovered or been discovered by boys. V From: Nick Olsen [mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:20 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the unlimited text package. Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill your standard monthly charge plus $7,625. .25x30500 I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting texting while in school? /me assumes shes in highschool at 18 (senior I figure). Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 _ From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
Maybe someday, txt messaging skills will be a requirement to get a ham license, much like morse code used to be. When our kids are greyed they will look down upon the fool that can't txt x words per minute, since it's been around for so long and is internationally used. On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:41:00AM -0400, Robert West wrote: I had to have 2 Compuserve accounts back in 1988 because their accounts had a $500 limit per month! I still don't understand the text explosion. Over 100 years of innovation just to go back to what is essentially Morse code. Boggles the mind. Soon they'll discover punch cards and paper tape to load their ringtones. What's with all those cards in your backpack, Cassie? My new ring tone by Fallen. It only took a little over 8,000 punch cards! Cool. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:11 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
I only hit about 5k a month. Someone I know hit 13k... 30k? Wow. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
I don't understand how Verizon and ATT have problems with capacity on their cell networks. They own the copper and fiber in the ground all over hell. They have GigE fiber services. It just doesn't make sense. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:45 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages This is why ATT is now hitting their customers now for that previously unlimited bandwidth. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:42 AM To: 'Josh Luthman'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages For a fact! Now that I am thinking of it...what kind of bandwidth do the telcos have to provide for this, now industry standard technology of txt? I know that a text message does not consist of much traffic, but add to that the new millions of millions subscribers to unlimited text. It could add up... Or add the txt msg with a pic...now we are getting into some bandwidth. Or then add the GPS, google me, check my stocks...ect. traffic. I would love to see the cellular carriers bandwidth usage stats. V -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:32 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Seriously 30k? On 9/29/09, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
Yeah right. She won't even let me know what her face book account is. It is too private for me to know, but yet it is published on the Internet.where is the logic? V From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:09 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Cc: David E. Smith Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Can I get your cell phone number, assuming her number is just one or two up or down? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:04 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Thanks Dave, I will let her know...lol! I am sure that they are going to raise my unlimited text messages...I would! V -Original Message- From: David E. Smith [mailto:d...@mvn.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:46 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages On Mon, September 28, 2009 11:11 pm, St. Louis Broadband wrote: However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! She needs to train harder or she'll never get that record. Two central Pennsylvania friends spent most of March in a text-messaging record attempt, exchanging a thumbs-flying total of 217,000. For one of the two, that meant an inches-thick itemized bill for $26,000. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/22/texting-record-attempt-re_n_190307. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/22/texting-record-attempt-re_n_190307 .%0Ahtml html How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? As others have said, if she uses Twitter and has configured her account to send updates directly to her phone, that's potentially hundreds of incoming messages a day all by itself. Your daughter's receiving only a thousand messages a day; I'm not sure if you could realistically read and respond to all of them, but receiving that many isn't much of a stretch at all. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
On Tue, September 29, 2009 10:07 am, Mike Hammett wrote: I don't understand how Verizon and ATT have problems with capacity on their cell networks. They own the copper and fiber in the ground all over hell. They have GigE fiber services. It just doesn't make sense. There's only one ILEC in most places. In an area where ATT is the ILEC, they could (in theory) run fiber between their towers, but a few miles out of their territory, where Verizon or someone else is the ILEC, they'd have to start running wireless backhauls between towers anyway. Either that, or pay someone else for access to their copper/fiber. There also could be corporate bureaucracy where ATT (the cell phone company) is a different business unit from ATT (the ILEC), and due to internal billing, it still may be less expensive for ATT (the cell phone company) to do it themselves rather than pay ATT (the ILEC) for all that copper and fiber. Other things that pop into mind: * Some of the capacity is probably last-mile, having too many phones talking to one cell tower (sound familiar, WISPs?) * There are cell phone companies not affiliated with an ILEC anywhere (I don't think Alltel or T-Mobile have any ILEC connections in the US) * There are spots with small ILECs like Frontier where nobody could use anything in the ground without digging their own trenches or paying for it * There are smaller markets where the ILECs have copper but no fiber (I'm in one of those) This may be a bunch of nonsense but it sounds plausible. (Anyone here have cell experience who can chime in with actual useful information?) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC Seeking Public Comment on Public Safety, Homeland Security and Cybersecurity
FCC Seeking Public Comment on Public Safety, Homeland Security and Cybersecurity of National Broadband plan: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-2133A1.pdf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
Nah, she is not screwed up. My 6 year old has already told me she wants to 'play antenna' like daddy when she grows up. She also wants to drive the bucket truck as her car when she learns to drive! ryan On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:14 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: And the below message proves that my txt skills are off...(however I corrected it;) What really blows my mind is that she does not want book learning she wants to be an entrepreneur, or a tower climber...I am not sure that she know the meaning of either. I tell her that is an entrepreneur is job that does not pay too well. And tower climbing is a cool job but, by State law, cannot text. Gawd, I screwed her up...lol. V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:03 AM To: 'Robert West'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Her head start that we figured was going to let her take the lead of the pack, came to a slamming halt. I am not sure really what it was, but that is when I noticed the txt msg addiction. And I truly believe it is an addiction, she sleeps with the damn phone next to her... Teenage girls are amazing. It really ticks me that she is actually more computer literate than I in some applications. When I am trying to figure it out, she looks at me like omg...mom is so slow. She can key over 100wpm and is accurate. V -Original Message- From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:44 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Oh hell, sounds like my daughter. Sailed right through school, top of the class. Top 3% in the SATs and now, starting 3rd year in college, she finally discovered boys. The talk with her has moved from school to having boyfriend injected in every conversation. And I still have no met him. Scary. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:27 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages LOL, u assume wrong. She started junior college when she was 16 and made the deans list her first semester J But now she is 18 and has discovered or been discovered by boys. V From: Nick Olsen [mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:20 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the unlimited text package. Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill your standard monthly charge plus $7,625. .25x30500 I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting texting while in school? /me assumes shes in highschool at 18 (senior I figure). Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 _ From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
Our kids should get together. Liam (6) and Grayson (3) both 'give the world internet' with various toys (talkie talkies). Its bad mojo to leave a radio/poe on the table with them around. They learned what magic smoke is and why its bad to let it out (RB133C + StarOS POE) =\ D. Ryan Spott wrote: Nah, she is not screwed up. My 6 year old has already told me she wants to 'play antenna' like daddy when she grows up. She also wants to drive the bucket truck as her car when she learns to drive! ryan On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:14 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: And the below message proves that my txt skills are off...(however I corrected it;) What really blows my mind is that she does not want book learning she wants to be an entrepreneur, or a tower climber...I am not sure that she know the meaning of either. I tell her that is an entrepreneur is job that does not pay too well. And tower climbing is a cool job but, by State law, cannot text. Gawd, I screwed her up...lol. V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:03 AM To: 'Robert West'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Her head start that we figured was going to let her take the lead of the pack, came to a slamming halt. I am not sure really what it was, but that is when I noticed the txt msg addiction. And I truly believe it is an addiction, she sleeps with the damn phone next to her... Teenage girls are amazing. It really ticks me that she is actually more computer literate than I in some applications. When I am trying to figure it out, she looks at me like omg...mom is so slow. She can key over 100wpm and is accurate. V -Original Message- From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:44 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Oh hell, sounds like my daughter. Sailed right through school, top of the class. Top 3% in the SATs and now, starting 3rd year in college, she finally discovered boys. The talk with her has moved from school to having boyfriend injected in every conversation. And I still have no met him. Scary. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:27 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages LOL, u assume wrong. She started junior college when she was 16 and made the deans list her first semester J But now she is 18 and has discovered or been discovered by boys. V From: Nick Olsen [mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:20 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the unlimited text package. Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill your standard monthly charge plus $7,625. .25x30500 I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting texting while in school? /me assumes shes in highschool at 18 (senior I figure). Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 _ From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- ---
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
At least they understand square hole square peg! Remember Apollo 13 with the round vs square CO2 filter? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:41 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Our kids should get together. Liam (6) and Grayson (3) both 'give the world internet' with various toys (talkie talkies). Its bad mojo to leave a radio/poe on the table with them around. They learned what magic smoke is and why its bad to let it out (RB133C + StarOS POE) =\ D. Ryan Spott wrote: Nah, she is not screwed up. My 6 year old has already told me she wants to 'play antenna' like daddy when she grows up. She also wants to drive the bucket truck as her car when she learns to drive! ryan On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:14 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: And the below message proves that my txt skills are off...(however I corrected it;) What really blows my mind is that she does not want book learning she wants to be an entrepreneur, or a tower climber...I am not sure that she know the meaning of either. I tell her that is an entrepreneur is job that does not pay too well. And tower climbing is a cool job but, by State law, cannot text. Gawd, I screwed her up...lol. V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:03 AM To: 'Robert West'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Her head start that we figured was going to let her take the lead of the pack, came to a slamming halt. I am not sure really what it was, but that is when I noticed the txt msg addiction. And I truly believe it is an addiction, she sleeps with the damn phone next to her... Teenage girls are amazing. It really ticks me that she is actually more computer literate than I in some applications. When I am trying to figure it out, she looks at me like omg...mom is so slow. She can key over 100wpm and is accurate. V -Original Message- From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:44 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Oh hell, sounds like my daughter. Sailed right through school, top of the class. Top 3% in the SATs and now, starting 3rd year in college, she finally discovered boys. The talk with her has moved from school to having boyfriend injected in every conversation. And I still have no met him. Scary. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:27 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages LOL, u assume wrong. She started junior college when she was 16 and made the deans list her first semester J But now she is 18 and has discovered or been discovered by boys. V From: Nick Olsen [mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:20 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the unlimited text package. Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill your standard monthly charge plus $7,625. .25x30500 I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting texting while in school? /me assumes shes in highschool at 18 (senior I figure). Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 _ From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
Title: Thank You, If you have Verizon for your service you can get the parental controls feature and limit the amount and times the phone is active. Might help curb things. My daughter is using about 13 to 16 thousand texts a month and I am working on controlling her use for the same concerns you have. She is still in high school and we take the phone away from here on school nights. Haven't had to resort to the parental controls yet. Remember that the IM programs on the phone count as texts. Is it also possible that her phone has a virus on it? I know what you mean about the typing speed. I watch my daughter text without looking while she is having a conversation with me. Thank You, Brian Webster St. Louis Broadband wrote: Her head start that we figured was going to let her take the lead of the pack, game to a slamming halt. I am not sure really what it was, but that is when I noticed the txt msg addiction. And I truly believe it is an addiction, she sleeps with the damn phone next to her... Teenage girls are amazing. It really ticks me that she is actually more computer literate than I in some applications. When I am trying to figure it out, she looks at me like omg...she mom is so slow. She can key over 100wpm and is accurate. V -Original Message- From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:44 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Oh hell, sounds like my daughter. Sailed right through school, top of the class. Top 3% in the SATs and now, starting 3rd year in college, she finally discovered boys. The talk with her has moved from school to having "boyfriend" injected in every conversation. And I still have no met him. Scary. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:27 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages LOL, u assume wrong. She started junior college when she was 16 and made the deans list her first semester J But now she is 18 and has discovered or been discovered by boys. V From: Nick Olsen [mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:20 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the "unlimited" text package. Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill your standard monthly charge plus $7,625. ".25x30500" I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting texting while in school? /me assumes shes in highschool at 18 (senior I figure). Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 _ From: "St. Louis Broadband" li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:09 AM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
Thank You,LOL My 12 year old think's he's the only kid in the world that has to physically put his phone into his parent's room at 9pm on school nights. Trouble is, he's up at 11pm texting people. Then he gets tired and starts to misbehave more than normal. sigh marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster To: li...@stlbroadband.com ; WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages If you have Verizon for your service you can get the parental controls feature and limit the amount and times the phone is active. Might help curb things. My daughter is using about 13 to 16 thousand texts a month and I am working on controlling her use for the same concerns you have. She is still in high school and we take the phone away from here on school nights. Haven't had to resort to the parental controls yet. Remember that the IM programs on the phone count as texts. Is it also possible that her phone has a virus on it? I know what you mean about the typing speed. I watch my daughter text without looking while she is having a conversation with me. Thank You, Brian Webster St. Louis Broadband wrote: Her head start that we figured was going to let her take the lead of the pack, game to a slamming halt. I am not sure really what it was, but that is when I noticed the txt msg addiction. And I truly believe it is an addiction, she sleeps with the damn phone next to her... Teenage girls are amazing. It really ticks me that she is actually more computer literate than I in some applications. When I am trying to figure it out, she looks at me like omg...she mom is so slow. She can key over 100wpm and is accurate. V -Original Message- From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:44 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Oh hell, sounds like my daughter. Sailed right through school, top of the class. Top 3% in the SATs and now, starting 3rd year in college, she finally discovered boys. The talk with her has moved from school to having boyfriend injected in every conversation. And I still have no met him. Scary. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:27 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages LOL, u assume wrong. She started junior college when she was 16 and made the deans list her first semester J But now she is 18 and has discovered or been discovered by boys. V From: Nick Olsen [mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:20 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the unlimited text package. Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill your standard monthly charge plus $7,625. .25x30500 I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting texting while in school? /me assumes shes in highschool at 18 (senior I figure). Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 _ From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900
Most of the customer I'll be upgrading have external antennas already, so I'm hoping that upgrade process will be relatively easy by just changing the indoors radio. For new customers I think it's good that it has an external antenna anyway, because where we are there a lot of trees and very often we need use yagi antennas. Thanks -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 Cameron Kilton wrote: The Ethernet setup for the Alvarion VL is nice same as other VL units. However the SU-VL-900 units only come in a SU-E form required the use of external antenna. I'm fine with this, but one thing to keep in mind. I hope the will have the option for the future with a built in 9 or 10dbi antenna but for now, just external. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ron Calhoun Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900 The last I check waverider was claiming their ccu8000 would push 13mbps. I have used the CCU8000 with the eum8000 and was only able to pull a 4mb test from the ccu. At that point the customer was thrilled. 4mbps beats dialup any day. But the point remains that I was only able to get 4mbps. On a side note if you are considering Waverider equipment. Invest in rubber tape and dielectric grease. I have a whole shed full of dead radios because water got into the ethernet connector. Good luck, Ron On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com wrote: So far, I'm a huge fan of the Alvarion VL 900. The latest revision is much better than the original release. Speeds are quite impressive. We have not tested it yet, but supposed to do up to 8mbit in a 5mhz channel. Assuming you get a real clean channel. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of my_em...@webjogger.net Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900 Hi, We're planning to upgrade a lot of our 900MHz equipment which is currently predominantly Alvarion Breeze Access 900. The main goal is to provide the customer with better speeds The 2 options I'm considering are Alvarion VL900 and Waverider CCU8000 I was wondering if anyone has experience with using both of these radios, and if so, all considered which one do you think is generally better? Thanks, -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900
I would act soon. Alvarion has a great special ending tomorrow. Buy one AU get one Free. I just ordered 5 of them last week. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of my_em...@webjogger.net Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900 Most of the customer I'll be upgrading have external antennas already, so I'm hoping that upgrade process will be relatively easy by just changing the indoors radio. For new customers I think it's good that it has an external antenna anyway, because where we are there a lot of trees and very often we need use yagi antennas. Thanks -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 Cameron Kilton wrote: The Ethernet setup for the Alvarion VL is nice same as other VL units. However the SU-VL-900 units only come in a SU-E form required the use of external antenna. I'm fine with this, but one thing to keep in mind. I hope the will have the option for the future with a built in 9 or 10dbi antenna but for now, just external. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ron Calhoun Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900 The last I check waverider was claiming their ccu8000 would push 13mbps. I have used the CCU8000 with the eum8000 and was only able to pull a 4mb test from the ccu. At that point the customer was thrilled. 4mbps beats dialup any day. But the point remains that I was only able to get 4mbps. On a side note if you are considering Waverider equipment. Invest in rubber tape and dielectric grease. I have a whole shed full of dead radios because water got into the ethernet connector. Good luck, Ron On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com wrote: So far, I'm a huge fan of the Alvarion VL 900. The latest revision is much better than the original release. Speeds are quite impressive. We have not tested it yet, but supposed to do up to 8mbit in a 5mhz channel. Assuming you get a real clean channel. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of my_em...@webjogger.net Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900 Hi, We're planning to upgrade a lot of our 900MHz equipment which is currently predominantly Alvarion Breeze Access 900. The main goal is to provide the customer with better speeds The 2 options I'm considering are Alvarion VL900 and Waverider CCU8000 I was wondering if anyone has experience with using both of these radios, and if so, all considered which one do you think is generally better? Thanks, -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] Multipath
I am curious if anyone thinks this is multipath and has a suggestion on how to fix. This just happens to be my dads house, radio mounted to a j-mount on eve of house, clear LOS to tower 1 mile away, -56 signal. This eve is over the porch roof to the east and signal shoots over the south plane of the roof which is an approx 30deg angle. I was over this morning and he is complaining the Internet is not working and I go in to do some troubleshooting. I setup a constant ping to the AP and I am getting 1ms, I start to browse and the pings jump to 300ms and random lost packets. Configure a new radio in the house and have a -75 signal in the house, try the ping thing again and all seems fine. I replace he radio on the roof and I am back to the poor ping times again. Now I don't understand multipath as well I should but it seems to make sense in this case. Is it possible to reduce or remedy without moving the radio to a totally different location? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multipath
Bump it up about 10 degrees and see if that helps your multipath issue. Does the signal strength stay at -57 or does it fluctuate? On MT gear it's very easy to identify it as you'll see -55 for the most part, then -70 for a quick moment. I'm assuming you're using Canopy here - watch the alignment tool page (I suggest having it refresh every 3 or 4 seconds) and see if it jumps around. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I am curious if anyone thinks this is multipath and has a suggestion on how to fix. This just happens to be my dads house, radio mounted to a j-mount on eve of house, clear LOS to tower 1 mile away, -56 signal. This eve is over the porch roof to the east and signal shoots over the south plane of the roof which is an approx 30deg angle. I was over this morning and he is complaining the Internet is not working and I go in to do some troubleshooting. I setup a constant ping to the AP and I am getting 1ms, I start to browse and the pings jump to 300ms and random lost packets. Configure a new radio in the house and have a -75 signal in the house, try the ping thing again and all seems fine. I replace he radio on the roof and I am back to the poor ping times again. Now I don't understand multipath as well I should but it seems to make sense in this case. Is it possible to reduce or remedy without moving the radio to a totally different location? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] test-ignnore
works Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Testing 123. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] Multipath I am curious if anyone thinks this is multipath and has a suggestion on how to fix. This just happens to be my dads house, radio mounted to a j-mount on eve of house, clear LOS to tower 1 mile away, -56 signal. This eve is over the porch roof to the east and signal shoots over the south plane of the roof which is an approx 30deg angle. I was over this morning and he is complaining the Internet is not working and I go in to do some troubleshooting. I setup a constant ping to the AP and I am getting 1ms, I start to browse and the pings jump to 300ms and random lost packets. Configure a new radio in the house and have a -75 signal in the house, try the ping thing again and all seems fine. I replace he radio on the roof and I am back to the poor ping times again. Now I don't understand multipath as well I should but it seems to make sense in this case. Is it possible to reduce or remedy without moving the radio to a totally different location? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] test-ignnore
Testing 123. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] Multipath I am curious if anyone thinks this is multipath and has a suggestion on how to fix. This just happens to be my dads house, radio mounted to a j-mount on eve of house, clear LOS to tower 1 mile away, -56 signal. This eve is over the porch roof to the east and signal shoots over the south plane of the roof which is an approx 30deg angle. I was over this morning and he is complaining the Internet is not working and I go in to do some troubleshooting. I setup a constant ping to the AP and I am getting 1ms, I start to browse and the pings jump to 300ms and random lost packets. Configure a new radio in the house and have a -75 signal in the house, try the ping thing again and all seems fine. I replace he radio on the roof and I am back to the poor ping times again. Now I don't understand multipath as well I should but it seems to make sense in this case. Is it possible to reduce or remedy without moving the radio to a totally different location? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multipath
Mark, Was this an existing installation and it just started acting up or has it been doing this since day one?? -B- Mark McElvy wrote: I am curious if anyone thinks this is multipath and has a suggestion on how to fix. This just happens to be my dads house, radio mounted to a j-mount on eve of house, clear LOS to tower 1 mile away, -56 signal. This eve is over the porch roof to the east and signal shoots over the south plane of the roof which is an approx 30deg angle. I was over this morning and he is complaining the Internet is not working and I go in to do some troubleshooting. I setup a constant ping to the AP and I am getting 1ms, I start to browse and the pings jump to 300ms and random lost packets. Configure a new radio in the house and have a -75 signal in the house, try the ping thing again and all seems fine. I replace he radio on the roof and I am back to the poor ping times again. Now I don't understand multipath as well I should but it seems to make sense in this case. Is it possible to reduce or remedy without moving the radio to a totally different location? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multipath
Is there any large metal surfaces immediately in front of the radio (antenna)? I've seen the metal rim of a brick fireplace stack cause erratic behavior until we moved our antenna up a couple of feet. Marco On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Bump it up about 10 degrees and see if that helps your multipath issue. Does the signal strength stay at -57 or does it fluctuate? On MT gear it's very easy to identify it as you'll see -55 for the most part, then -70 for a quick moment. I'm assuming you're using Canopy here - watch the alignment tool page (I suggest having it refresh every 3 or 4 seconds) and see if it jumps around. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I am curious if anyone thinks this is multipath and has a suggestion on how to fix. This just happens to be my dads house, radio mounted to a j-mount on eve of house, clear LOS to tower 1 mile away, -56 signal. This eve is over the porch roof to the east and signal shoots over the south plane of the roof which is an approx 30deg angle. I was over this morning and he is complaining the Internet is not working and I go in to do some troubleshooting. I setup a constant ping to the AP and I am getting 1ms, I start to browse and the pings jump to 300ms and random lost packets. Configure a new radio in the house and have a -75 signal in the house, try the ping thing again and all seems fine. I replace he radio on the roof and I am back to the poor ping times again. Now I don't understand multipath as well I should but it seems to make sense in this case. Is it possible to reduce or remedy without moving the radio to a totally different location? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multipath
make that ARE there any On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any large metal surfaces immediately in front of the radio (antenna)? I've seen the metal rim of a brick fireplace stack cause erratic behavior until we moved our antenna up a couple of feet. Marco On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Bump it up about 10 degrees and see if that helps your multipath issue. Does the signal strength stay at -57 or does it fluctuate? On MT gear it's very easy to identify it as you'll see -55 for the most part, then -70 for a quick moment. I'm assuming you're using Canopy here - watch the alignment tool page (I suggest having it refresh every 3 or 4 seconds) and see if it jumps around. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I am curious if anyone thinks this is multipath and has a suggestion on how to fix. This just happens to be my dads house, radio mounted to a j-mount on eve of house, clear LOS to tower 1 mile away, -56 signal. This eve is over the porch roof to the east and signal shoots over the south plane of the roof which is an approx 30deg angle. I was over this morning and he is complaining the Internet is not working and I go in to do some troubleshooting. I setup a constant ping to the AP and I am getting 1ms, I start to browse and the pings jump to 300ms and random lost packets. Configure a new radio in the house and have a -75 signal in the house, try the ping thing again and all seems fine. I replace he radio on the roof and I am back to the poor ping times again. Now I don't understand multipath as well I should but it seems to make sense in this case. Is it possible to reduce or remedy without moving the radio to a totally different location? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multipath
First radio Tranzeo CPQ15 second was a Ubiquity NS2. I never noticed a signal fluctuation. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multipath Bump it up about 10 degrees and see if that helps your multipath issue. Does the signal strength stay at -57 or does it fluctuate? On MT gear it's very easy to identify it as you'll see -55 for the most part, then -70 for a quick moment. I'm assuming you're using Canopy here - watch the alignment tool page (I suggest having it refresh every 3 or 4 seconds) and see if it jumps around. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multipath
Any issues, or are there any, with other stations on that same AP? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: It has been up for a few years and he has complained on and off. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multipath Mark, Was this an existing installation and it just started acting up or has it been doing this since day one?? -B- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multipath
I am on the same AP with no issue and other customers are not talking if they are having issues. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multipath Any issues, or are there any, with other stations on that same AP? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: It has been up for a few years and he has complained on and off. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multipath Mark, Was this an existing installation and it just started acting up or has it been doing this since day one?? -B- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multipath
You have a metal reflector between the AP and CPE - most definitely multipath. Can you aim it up 10 degrees? This fixes it for me (though I've never installed with a metal roof between the two radios). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I am on the same AP with no issue and other customers are not talking if they are having issues. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multipath Any issues, or are there any, with other stations on that same AP? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: It has been up for a few years and he has complained on and off. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multipath Mark, Was this an existing installation and it just started acting up or has it been doing this since day one?? -B- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multipath
Multipath and/or scintillation. It looks like the sun is shining and 65 degrees in Salem. Sun beating on that metal surface can cause heat waves to rise in front of the antenna causing scintillation. Sometimes this stuff is black magic and moving a CPE a couple feet one way or another can make a world of difference. No trees or branches in the Fresnel zone waving in the breeze? I'd try adjusting the tilt as suggested, them putting a pipe section in the J mount and moving it up 2.5' or so. Hope you figure it out. Let the list know. At 01:39 PM 9/29/2009, you wrote: I am curious if anyone thinks this is multipath and has a suggestion on how to fix. This just happens to be my dads house, radio mounted to a j-mount on eve of house, clear LOS to tower 1 mile away, -56 signal. This eve is over the porch roof to the east and signal shoots over the south plane of the roof which is an approx 30deg angle. I was over this morning and he is complaining the Internet is not working and I go in to do some troubleshooting. I setup a constant ping to the AP and I am getting 1ms, I start to browse and the pings jump to 300ms and random lost packets. Configure a new radio in the house and have a -75 signal in the house, try the ping thing again and all seems fine. I replace he radio on the roof and I am back to the poor ping times again. Now I don't understand multipath as well I should but it seems to make sense in this case. Is it possible to reduce or remedy without moving the radio to a totally different location? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
When I have parents that are concerned about their kids getting on that facebooky thing I tell them to have their kids put their username/password in a sealed envelope and put that in a visible place in the house (the fridge or something) then if there is an issue with the kid running off with their 25 year old boy/girlfriend the parents at least have SOMETHING to go on! I also tell the teenage kids when their parents walk off to get their CCard to pay me that they really should just let their parents see what they are up to... because most of it is so boring they will eventually lose interest, then you can have some real fun! :) ryan On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:25 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Yeah right. She won't even let me know what her face book account is. It is too private for me to know, but yet it is published on the Internet.where is the logic? V From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:09 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Cc: David E. Smith Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Can I get your cell phone number, assuming her number is just one or two up or down? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:04 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Thanks Dave, I will let her know...lol! I am sure that they are going to raise my unlimited text messages...I would! V -Original Message- From: David E. Smith [mailto:d...@mvn.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:46 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages On Mon, September 28, 2009 11:11 pm, St. Louis Broadband wrote: However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! She needs to train harder or she'll never get that record. Two central Pennsylvania friends spent most of March in a text-messaging record attempt, exchanging a thumbs-flying total of 217,000. For one of the two, that meant an inches-thick itemized bill for $26,000. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/22/texting-record-attempt-re_n_190307. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/22/texting-record-attempt-re_n_190307 .%0Ahtml html How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? As others have said, if she uses Twitter and has configured her account to send updates directly to her phone, that's potentially hundreds of incoming messages a day all by itself. Your daughter's receiving only a thousand messages a day; I'm not sure if you could realistically read and respond to all of them, but receiving that many isn't much of a stretch at all. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
Alltell is a part of Verizon Wireless. I agree they couldn't do it everywhere, but not much of the country isn't under Verizon or ATT control (before Verizon's sale to Frontier). If it's internal, that's still a dumb reason, though completely believable. It's doubtful the towers are running out of PtMP capacity. There's what, 20 radios on a tower? 3 megs each, that's 60 megs per tower. I'd be surprised if a tower has more than a few T-1s ran to it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages On Tue, September 29, 2009 10:07 am, Mike Hammett wrote: I don't understand how Verizon and ATT have problems with capacity on their cell networks. They own the copper and fiber in the ground all over hell. They have GigE fiber services. It just doesn't make sense. There's only one ILEC in most places. In an area where ATT is the ILEC, they could (in theory) run fiber between their towers, but a few miles out of their territory, where Verizon or someone else is the ILEC, they'd have to start running wireless backhauls between towers anyway. Either that, or pay someone else for access to their copper/fiber. There also could be corporate bureaucracy where ATT (the cell phone company) is a different business unit from ATT (the ILEC), and due to internal billing, it still may be less expensive for ATT (the cell phone company) to do it themselves rather than pay ATT (the ILEC) for all that copper and fiber. Other things that pop into mind: * Some of the capacity is probably last-mile, having too many phones talking to one cell tower (sound familiar, WISPs?) * There are cell phone companies not affiliated with an ILEC anywhere (I don't think Alltel or T-Mobile have any ILEC connections in the US) * There are spots with small ILECs like Frontier where nobody could use anything in the ground without digging their own trenches or paying for it * There are smaller markets where the ILECs have copper but no fiber (I'm in one of those) This may be a bunch of nonsense but it sounds plausible. (Anyone here have cell experience who can chime in with actual useful information?) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Securealign
Works with the NS2 and LOCO. 10dB is about right. Also put a LOCO on a WB dish yesterday in a test - works great. Had to attach the radio as far up the mounting arm as it woould go to get the antenna in the focal point. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Securealign The topic of using a dish like this with the NS2 was brought up recently. I am curious if anyone one is actually using them or similar and what is the vale? It appears they give a 10db gain to 2.4 which would take an NS2 to about 18db correct? Is the dish/NS2 going to be better performance than a PS2-17? The cost ends up being similar. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900
I'd really like to hear some success stories from people using Name brand 900Mhz OFDM, compared to non-OFDM.. Or more importantly, if anyone has had bad experience with Name brand 900Mhz OFDM, compared to non-OFDM.. I'd also like input from Name Brand OFDM 900Mhz manufacturers regarding what embedded filering they might have in their radios, to combat noise which is just about everywhere with 900Mhz. Let me explain I recognize in a noise free environment, it likely works well, but I'm also concerned with the amount of after-rain fade 900Mhz has, and what that does to OFDM and higher QAM modulations that require higher SNR budgets. Over the last 5 years, I of course have evaluated ALL non-OFDM 900Mhz products. I've done most of my OFDM testing with ALL the OEM (Atheros mPCI) brand 900Mhz products. But I avoided spending the big bucks on Name brand OFDM gear, just to do Demos. But in my Live Testing, I'm regularly running into quality issues with the Oem OFDM products, and the stories all end the same. Eventually the final solution is I put a Trango DSSS 900Mhz sector in its place, and then I finally get consistent quality and gain a happy customer. Since the beginning of time, Trango had always been a strong 900Mhz product to get the job done because its ability to work in high noise enviroments, due to its high quality built-in filtering, which is near equivelent to a Cavity Filter. In my experience, I've successfully run quality Trango links at receive strengths lower than the scanned noise floor, where as with Atheros running at the noise floor is a formula for prompt dis-association and sporatic high latency, even w/ the spec sheet showing embedded filtering. At first, I questioned the OEM OS that included the Atheros, but I've seen similar results with all OEM OSes. Please recognize these comments are not mean to bash any product or promote any specific product. We successfully use Atheros OEM systems in many locations also. So what I'm trying to establish is... Has my experience been fairly compairing DSSS to OFDM, or Should the real comparison be about the difference between high quality gear versus low budget lower quality gear? Is there an equivellent to a Trango 900Mhz (quality against noise), in OFDM? Has anyone taken a challenging 900Mhz DSSS deployment (Canopy/Trango/First-gen Waverider) and successfully upgraded it to OFDM 900Mhz with out loosing significant amount of customers and/or coverage? And if so, Have you successfully been about to get three Horizonal sectors colocated? With Trango, we were able to get three horizontal sectors colocated, wth minimal self-interference as long as we used Titlek high quality antennas, and had about 10 feet min verticle seperation between them. I see that it would be a tougher challenge to accomplish the same with OFDM that required higher SNR. Sure the 900Mhz OFDM looks good on a spec sheet or likely good for PTP links, but now that its 6 months to a year down the road, whats the real world take for PtMP cell sites? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc 301-515-7774 IntAirNet - Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
What would be interesting is how many were inbound versus outbound, and the ratio. Real Converstaion is usually equally bi-directional. If they are havy inbound, She could be getting heavilly text message spammed. Or on text message List servs. (does twitter send to SMS text?) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc 301-515-7774 IntAirNet - Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NAT Limits on StarOS/Mikrotik
I'd argue that if you are running with 69000 connections, you could be running into multiple problems. I cant comment on StarOS specifically, but one of the reasons we upgarded our servers from 2.4Kernal to 2.6 kernel was because of connection tracking table size. 2.6 kernels allowed management of the number of connection (able to delete from table) without rebooting and terminating all connections. By the way, performance degragation was limited due to Clocking (# of ticks per second), that was not updated until kernel 2.6. One of the issues is that poorly written applications or virus/spyware dont close sessions properly, so they stay there in the table as inactive state but still in the table for the specified duration (it might be 7 days by default?). (its purposely designed to do that). Linux doesn't work fast with tons of connections in its tables, and when you get tons of connections it will show heavy speed degregation for users. My point is that you might not only be running into a NAT issue and available ports, but also a problem of low performance when to many connections in the table. In our deployments we turned connection tracking off on all our Staros APs, because they didn't have enough memory or processing power to deal with it, and then upgraded our Kernels on our core Linux routers that we used connection tracking on. There are other reason why having 1700 subs to a single NATted IP might be a bad idea, so I'd recommend changing that regardless of the cause of the problem you are currently troubleshooting. For example, what do you do if a user's IP gets blacklisted due to AUP report? You then have 1700 customers blacklisted. If the core router fails, you have 1700 people down. Etc, etc. If one user gets a virus, all uses get hammered when all teh connections are terminated. We had one car dealership that added 120,000 entries to the connection table within about 8 hours. It was due to a poorly written WAN application. They fixed it, and it curred the problem. But it was tough to deal with the problem, and identify why it was occuring. But my point is... why risk all the subs, if all it takes is a single customer to create a connection problem issue? What you'll likely want to do is write some scripts to analyze the content of the connection table. To determine if the majority of connections are getting eaten up by just a few customers, or equally distributed between customers? And determine the percentage that are active sessions versus inactive sessions?. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc 301-515-7774 IntAirNet - Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
Twitter, FaceBook, MySpace, etc. all send to text. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages What would be interesting is how many were inbound versus outbound, and the ratio. Real Converstaion is usually equally bi-directional. If they are havy inbound, She could be getting heavilly text message spammed. Or on text message List servs. (does twitter send to SMS text?) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc 301-515-7774 IntAirNet - Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
I believe it is SMS text and she said most of it coming from her peeps...jeeze, I should have never given her a computer...lol V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages What would be interesting is how many were inbound versus outbound, and the ratio. Real Converstaion is usually equally bi-directional. If they are havy inbound, She could be getting heavilly text message spammed. Or on text message List servs. (does twitter send to SMS text?) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc 301-515-7774 IntAirNet - Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Backhaul
Pricing has not been released on the Quantum yet. I will be happy to quote it offlist to anyone as soon as it is released. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave Backhaul What are people paying for dragonwave horizon quantom backhauls? I'm looking at putting 2 links up. How solid are these? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OT: Wire taps (AC electrical)
Need to power WiFi APs mounted to streetlights and cannot get ot the photsensor switches as they are ornamental. Looking for taps to connect to 2GA cable without cutting the existing splices. I think it's 2GA. I've used splices for 12GA but have never seen anything bigger. Does such an animal exist? [cid:image001.jpg@01CA4128.27122BC0] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi http://www.aircloud.com Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 P Please consider the environment before printing this email inline: image001.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
Keep in mind that probably most of those were in answer to a text or she started and was answered back. So it was probably closer to 16,000 two way text's. Still unimaginable to me. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:26:52 -0500 LOL, u assume wrong. She started junior college when she was 16 and made the deans list her first semester J But now she is 18 and has discovered or been discovered by boys. V From: Nick Olsen [mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:20 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the unlimited text package. Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill your standard monthly charge plus $7,625. .25x30500 I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting texting while in school? /me assumes shes in highschool at 18 (senior I figure). Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 _ From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
I still don't understand the text explosion. Me either? Why? I can usually call a person and say what I have to say in less time than it takes me to text one message and get a reply back. I can also understand that texting has its place. Like inside a theater where people other than me do not want the distraction. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:41:00 -0400 I had to have 2 Compuserve accounts back in 1988 because their accounts had a $500 limit per month! I still don't understand the text explosion. Over 100 years of innovation just to go back to what is essentially Morse code. Boggles the mind. Soon they'll discover punch cards and paper tape to load their ringtones. What's with all those cards in your backpack, Cassie? My new ring tone by Fallen. It only took a little over 8,000 punch cards! Cool. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:11 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
I personally like text messages. For personal contacts during work it's a blessing. For the 10 second message during work it saves time. Not a fan of conversations girls like to have on text but what can ya do? On 9/29/09, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: I still don't understand the text explosion. Me either? Why? I can usually call a person and say what I have to say in less time than it takes me to text one message and get a reply back. I can also understand that texting has its place. Like inside a theater where people other than me do not want the distraction. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:41:00 -0400 I had to have 2 Compuserve accounts back in 1988 because their accounts had a $500 limit per month! I still don't understand the text explosion. Over 100 years of innovation just to go back to what is essentially Morse code. Boggles the mind. Soon they'll discover punch cards and paper tape to load their ringtones. What's with all those cards in your backpack, Cassie? My new ring tone by Fallen. It only took a little over 8,000 punch cards! Cool. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:11 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
That is crazy! Even with conservative numbers: 16000 texts / 31 days in a month/16 waking hours in a day = 32.25 texts per hour! That's one every two minutes. Scottie Arnett wrote: Keep in mind that probably most of those were in answer to a text or she started and was answered back. So it was probably closer to 16,000 two way text's. Still unimaginable to me. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:26:52 -0500 LOL, u assume wrong. She started junior college when she was 16 and made the deans list her first semester J But now she is 18 and has discovered or been discovered by boys. V From: Nick Olsen [mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:20 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the unlimited text package. Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill your standard monthly charge plus $7,625. .25x30500 I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting texting while in school? /me assumes shes in highschool at 18 (senior I figure). Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 _ From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900
You shouldn't have to worry too much about the old product because I think they did a 100% field upgrade at no cost to owners of those AUs, right? You should still check, but I would hope it'd be unusual to find an upgraded unit for sale. Chuck On Sep 29, 2009, at 12:30 AM, Nick Huanca wrote: Hi Jon, We've had extensive experience with the VL900 product line, even through its rough release to market. After Alvarion fixed their hardware and software bugs I could recommend this product hands down based on our experience. Beware of used equipment that may not operate *at all* in minimal noise. There was a revision to the hardware on the AUs to remedy this. Thanks, --Nick Huanca On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote: I have no experience with the Waverider equipment, but Alvarion's pretty darn good (and we do have experience with that). Chuck On Sep 28, 2009, at 5:24 PM, my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: Hi, We're planning to upgrade a lot of our 900MHz equipment which is currently predominantly Alvarion Breeze Access 900. The main goal is to provide the customer with better speeds The 2 options I'm considering are Alvarion VL900 and Waverider CCU8000 I was wondering if anyone has experience with using both of these radios, and if so, all considered which one do you think is generally better? Thanks, -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Nick Huanca WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900
They have upgraded one of my older units as well. I have two more of the older units left, thankfully they are in the air and in low noise areas, I hope to have them upgraded soon just because. -Cameron You shouldn't have to worry too much about the old product because I think they did a 100% field upgrade at no cost to owners of those AUs, right? You should still check, but I would hope it'd be unusual to find an upgraded unit for sale. Chuck On Sep 29, 2009, at 12:30 AM, Nick Huanca wrote: Hi Jon, We've had extensive experience with the VL900 product line, even through its rough release to market. After Alvarion fixed their hardware and software bugs I could recommend this product hands down based on our experience. Beware of used equipment that may not operate *at all* in minimal noise. There was a revision to the hardware on the AUs to remedy this. Thanks, --Nick Huanca On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote: I have no experience with the Waverider equipment, but Alvarion's pretty darn good (and we do have experience with that). Chuck On Sep 28, 2009, at 5:24 PM, my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: Hi, We're planning to upgrade a lot of our 900MHz equipment which is currently predominantly Alvarion Breeze Access 900. The main goal is to provide the customer with better speeds The 2 options I'm considering are Alvarion VL900 and Waverider CCU8000 I was wondering if anyone has experience with using both of these radios, and if so, all considered which one do you think is generally better? Thanks, -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Nick Huanca WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Looking For Fiber
Anyone have or know about any fiber in Jeffersonville, Ohio? We can reach Time Warner but we already use them in the network and would like to use this to add another gateway. Thanks Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Airports a Problem?
Looking at a possible path but we would run right down the runway of an airport. Not small planes, the big ones! Towers are 300' on both ends.. I don't see any issues here but have no idea what to expect from the RF over that thing. They are fully automated with all the latest in radio controlled landing systems. Anyone ever have issues with this? It's a perfect path for us so it would be my luck this thing might cause me issues. Would 5ghz be out of the question? Thanks Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???
If it won't connect to one at -55 but will to -85 I bet it's a config problem. Or faulty radios. On 9/29/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: OK gang, here is a good one. I've been converting my backhauls to 5GHz and my entire network to a star topology to my main tower where our fiber is. It's gone very well until today. These are StarOS/WRAP/CM9 combos with Pac-Wireless 21db grids. Today's tower will connect to the back lobe of the opposite facing grid with a -85 but will not connect to the closest grid facing it with a -55! Another tower with identical equipment connects fine. Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???
Cant be faulty since they both will connect to other radios fine. I checked, double-checked, and triple-checked the configs and they are correct. Really, StarOS is too easy to make an error. Any other ideas? On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If it won't connect to one at -55 but will to -85 I bet it's a config problem. Or faulty radios. On 9/29/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: OK gang, here is a good one. I've been converting my backhauls to 5GHz and my entire network to a star topology to my main tower where our fiber is. It's gone very well until today. These are StarOS/WRAP/CM9 combos with Pac-Wireless 21db grids. Today's tower will connect to the back lobe of the opposite facing grid with a -85 but will not connect to the closest grid facing it with a -55! Another tower with identical equipment connects fine. Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???
I haven't used staros so I can't say much about the software. Can it see interference from anything or just atheros? If it can see it all look for something on the same channel. On 9/29/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Cant be faulty since they both will connect to other radios fine. I checked, double-checked, and triple-checked the configs and they are correct. Really, StarOS is too easy to make an error. Any other ideas? On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If it won't connect to one at -55 but will to -85 I bet it's a config problem. Or faulty radios. On 9/29/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: OK gang, here is a good one. I've been converting my backhauls to 5GHz and my entire network to a star topology to my main tower where our fiber is. It's gone very well until today. These are StarOS/WRAP/CM9 combos with Pac-Wireless 21db grids. Today's tower will connect to the back lobe of the opposite facing grid with a -85 but will not connect to the closest grid facing it with a -55! Another tower with identical equipment connects fine. Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
And tower climbing is a cool job but, by State law, cannot text. What state law does not allow tower climbers to send text messages? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:03 AM To: 'Robert West'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Her head start that we figured was going to let her take the lead of the pack, came to a slamming halt. I am not sure really what it was, but that is when I noticed the txt msg addiction. And I truly believe it is an addiction, she sleeps with the damn phone next to her... Teenage girls are amazing. It really ticks me that she is actually more computer literate than I in some applications. When I am trying to figure it out, she looks at me like omg...mom is so slow. She can key over 100wpm and is accurate. V -Original Message- From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:44 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Oh hell, sounds like my daughter. Sailed right through school, top of the class. Top 3% in the SATs and now, starting 3rd year in college, she finally discovered boys. The talk with her has moved from school to having boyfriend injected in every conversation. And I still have no met him. Scary. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:27 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages LOL, u assume wrong. She started junior college when she was 16 and made the deans list her first semester J But now she is 18 and has discovered or been discovered by boys. V From: Nick Olsen [mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:20 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the unlimited text package. Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill your standard monthly charge plus $7,625. .25x30500 I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting texting while in school? /me assumes shes in highschool at 18 (senior I figure). Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 _ From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
I have a hard time believing that's in the law books... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: And tower climbing is a cool job but, by State law, cannot text. What state law does not allow tower climbers to send text messages? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:03 AM To: 'Robert West'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Her head start that we figured was going to let her take the lead of the pack, came to a slamming halt. I am not sure really what it was, but that is when I noticed the txt msg addiction. And I truly believe it is an addiction, she sleeps with the damn phone next to her... Teenage girls are amazing. It really ticks me that she is actually more computer literate than I in some applications. When I am trying to figure it out, she looks at me like omg...mom is so slow. She can key over 100wpm and is accurate. V -Original Message- From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:44 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Oh hell, sounds like my daughter. Sailed right through school, top of the class. Top 3% in the SATs and now, starting 3rd year in college, she finally discovered boys. The talk with her has moved from school to having boyfriend injected in every conversation. And I still have no met him. Scary. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:27 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages LOL, u assume wrong. She started junior college when she was 16 and made the deans list her first semester J But now she is 18 and has discovered or been discovered by boys. V From: Nick Olsen [mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:20 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the unlimited text package. Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill your standard monthly charge plus $7,625. .25x30500 I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting texting while in school? /me assumes shes in highschool at 18 (senior I figure). Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 _ From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
Oh, and while we are on the texting subject does anyone know why the Nextel iDen network sometimes will get SO SLOW on receiving text messages? I just switched from them to Verizon because of it. I thought I was doing a lot at 3,000 per month but apparently I'm being outdone, lol. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I have a hard time believing that's in the law books... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: And tower climbing is a cool job but, by State law, cannot text. What state law does not allow tower climbers to send text messages? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:03 AM To: 'Robert West'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Her head start that we figured was going to let her take the lead of the pack, came to a slamming halt. I am not sure really what it was, but that is when I noticed the txt msg addiction. And I truly believe it is an addiction, she sleeps with the damn phone next to her... Teenage girls are amazing. It really ticks me that she is actually more computer literate than I in some applications. When I am trying to figure it out, she looks at me like omg...mom is so slow. She can key over 100wpm and is accurate. V -Original Message- From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:44 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Oh hell, sounds like my daughter. Sailed right through school, top of the class. Top 3% in the SATs and now, starting 3rd year in college, she finally discovered boys. The talk with her has moved from school to having boyfriend injected in every conversation. And I still have no met him. Scary. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:27 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages LOL, u assume wrong. She started junior college when she was 16 and made the deans list her first semester J But now she is 18 and has discovered or been discovered by boys. V From: Nick Olsen [mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:20 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the unlimited text package. Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill your standard monthly charge plus $7,625. .25x30500 I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting texting while in school? /me assumes shes in highschool at 18 (senior I figure). Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 _ From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 23:55 -0400, RickG wrote: Cant be faulty since they both will connect to other radios fine. I checked, double-checked, and triple-checked the configs and they are correct. Really, StarOS is too easy to make an error. Any other ideas? Does StarOS have a scan feature? If it can see the AP, but not connect, I'd be looking for 1 of 3 particular problems. First, it is possible (probable?) that you have something different in the security settings (encryption). Second, it is possible that you have the AP on a non-standard frequency that the client is not including in it's scan list. The term scan list is a Mikrotik term, but it is common for most Linux based devices that use the stock Atheros driver to only scan the standard predefined center frequencies. The third possibility that I can think of is a possibility that the AP has some sort of mac filtering that is not allowing the connection from this client. Again, I'm not familiar with StarOS, so I'm not sure that is even a feature. I would start by swapping the functions of the 2 radios (make the AP the client) just to see if a connection can be made that way. Double-check the settings I mentioned above as well. Another thing to try is attempt to connect to the AP with a different client just to ensure the AP function is operating correctly on the radio you are running as AP. Just a few things to try...Hope this helps. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
