Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand
Right on schedule, its time for the 802.11 vs Canopy crusades. If you deploy it right, you should be able to get about 40-50 subs on 802.11 based APs. If your application is going to require higher density than that, go with Canopy, as you can probably get 120-150 per AP before they max out.If you intend to deploy symmetrical speeds, you should probably deploy Canopy. 10mhz channel sizes seem to make a big difference on 802.11, as you can then put up more sectors and the throughput doesn't diminish that much with the half-size channels. I wouldn't put up Ubiquiti or Tranzeo APs, I would definitely go with StarOS or Mikrotik for the APs to get the added functionality that they offer. I have several thousand subs deployed on my network and on networks that I designed handling VOIP and just about any other application needed by the end users just fine - all with 802.11 based gear. A special thanks to the Canopy guys out there who have been selling me their used Tranzeo CPEs - your old radios are alive and well on my network. Win-Win. If you are going to scale to huge numbers per AP, you will need to be just as concerned with obtaining high-capacity backhaul than PtMP performance. The 802.11 based backhauls are cheap and ubiquitous and do pretty good up to about 20meg, but they are about done at that point. Drop the extra coin and get licensed backhauls. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 4/13/2010 8:06 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: This is what I am in the process of doing now. We have another 200 subs to be converted next month. Then another 100 subs after that. Not only is it a multiple truck roll incident, but I already paid for the MikroTik gear...and now am replacing customer equipment with Canopy. ROI just got extended an additional 6 months. We just replaced a complete Trango 900 AP with Canopy 900. Performance is just better and it scales. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand Hi, Let's keep it simple and easy. With Canopy your system can scale infinitely (due to GPS sync) and latency is always very low and consistent (less than 10ms). With UBNT, you can build a system much cheaper, and one that will probably work in a small, rural area. However, it does not scale. So, the question you have to ask is: Will your network ever grow to the size that you run out of channels? On a single tower, there are roughly six legal channels in the 5.8ghz band (using 20mhz channel size). None of the other channels are legal with UBNT gear. So you have 6 channels to use for your entire network, and you can't co-locate near adjacent channels, and you can't have two AP's on different towers facing each other on the same channel. The problem we made on our network was trying to use Mikrotik for PtMP deployments and discovering that it doesn't scale. We ended up having to go to every customer we had installed on two big towers and change them out to Canopy. So we had to roll a truck twice. :( Travis Microserv Glenn Kelley wrote: In trying to make the right buying decision - some simple answers may help. 1. What is the meantime failure rate for your ubiquity equipment 2. What is the avg amount of truck rolls per week you run to fix an issue vs the # of customers you have? ie- if you have say 1500 clients and do 8 troubleshooting calls a week then it would be 1500/8 = .0053% ) 3. how often does a tech call come in (w/o a truck roll) that is equipment related... For some reason I think some of the ubiquity radios just need a power cycle and voila - they behave much better... so - what is the average # of calls per total clients that come in that are fixed w/ simple methods vs a truck roll for the ubiquity users ... Moto Users - do you have this info as well: Reason I ask is because I am wondering - if the cost of Moto is actually worth it... as a smaller operator - this information would be most beneficial for sure. Buying a Moto radio - even if 2 or 3 times the $$ if - the service calls on the back side are much less - might be worth it. Perhaps the cost of Radio vs People (both in manpower as well as client satisfaction for uptime) make the buying decision much easier... but having some numbers to go along with this would be great. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] When to route?
Depends on how you build it. The backhauls are bridged, but there is routing between key backhaul points (I make triangles) Every tool has its place and used right, works well. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: When to route? From the very start!!! If you take the time to learn the basics of OSPF, implement NAT and/or use private IPs for the links between systems and use a logical design for your subnets it is relatively easy to route. Understanding the basics of OSPF is really key, because static routing gets too complicated after the first few nodes and OSPF will handle it all much easier. OSPF also makes it possible to build automatic failover into the network. I have several rings in my network that automatically re-route in different directions when there are outages and I can easily set preference for traffic to flow in different directions based on backhaul capacity, latency and other factors. Bridging is a disaster waiting to happen. Every day that you run a bridged network is a day closer to the eventual disaster. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 4/13/2010 11:37 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Yes if you route at the CPE then the backhauls can bridge and your (mostly) good (this is how i do it) What you need to worry about here is clients who plug in their routers backwards and things like that. It helps if you do not have client routers (routing/dhcp in the CPE, switch inside) On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Mark Dueckm...@netking.bz wrote: Question: If you have all client computers behind a router, then you are mostly protected from broadcasting and the need for routing is not that high, right? I have a small network and I'm starting to do some routing between longer backhaul links, and between cities. So far, I don't know if I've seen a difference yet. On 04/13/2010 10:08 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We're up to about 400 subs on one half of the network. We're about to start routing. We'll know in a few months if it helps or not. marlon - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnenos10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 9:02 AM Subject: [WISPA] When to route? OK, I know: friends don't let friends bridge networks. But at what if the networks are small? The reason I ask is I'm wondering if I'd have anything to gain by setting up static routing (now that the new UBNT beta added this to the gui). What I have is a satellite internet modem going to an MT box. The MT box is wired to an 802.11g AP/wired switch (which has wireless clients). Also wired to that switch are two backhauls with clients at the far ends. One backhaul is a pair of PS2's (the one closest to the switch is WDS Station and the far end is WDS AP with clients). The other backhaul is a pair of NS5M's running Airmax (obviously no clients) and wired to the far NS5M is a Bullet 2M running as 802.11b/g/n AP with clients. All the hardware is in the 192.168.7.x/24 range as are most of the clients, though I give some clients addresses in the 192.168.0.x/24 range to keep them isolated from the hardware and other clients. The MT box doesn't allow traffic between the 192.168.7.x and the 192.168.0.x net. ---PS2~~~PS2 with clients (192.168.0.x) / Sat modem---MT box---switch/ap with clients 192.168.7.x \ NS5M~NS5MBullet2M with clients 192.168.7.x I'm assuming now traffic for all clients transit all segments of the network i.e. traffic for a client wirelessly connected to the Bullet2M is also transiting the segment of the network comprised of the PS2's. Is that right or does the gear (in this case the switch joining the different segments of the network learn who's where and route the traffic accordingly? I'm assuming not. So if I made it so the clients on each AP were in a different subnet and static routed then traffic would only travel the pertinent network segment? Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand
On that note, I have a few questions. On those 40-50 802.11 subs, what kind of bandwidth are the users seeing/are you selling them? Do you count a polling MAC on a 802.11 chipset, say Ubiquiti AirMax, in with 802.11? My assumption would be that with a polling MAC on 802.11 chips you should see nearly the number of subs of Canopy minus the frequency reuse you get with GPS sync. Would you say that is accurate? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Right on schedule, its time for the 802.11 vs Canopy crusades. If you deploy it right, you should be able to get about 40-50 subs on 802.11 based APs. If your application is going to require higher density than that, go with Canopy, as you can probably get 120-150 per AP before they max out. If you intend to deploy symmetrical speeds, you should probably deploy Canopy. 10mhz channel sizes seem to make a big difference on 802.11, as you can then put up more sectors and the throughput doesn't diminish that much with the half-size channels. I wouldn't put up Ubiquiti or Tranzeo APs, I would definitely go with StarOS or Mikrotik for the APs to get the added functionality that they offer. I have several thousand subs deployed on my network and on networks that I designed handling VOIP and just about any other application needed by the end users just fine - all with 802.11 based gear. A special thanks to the Canopy guys out there who have been selling me their used Tranzeo CPEs - your old radios are alive and well on my network. Win-Win. If you are going to scale to huge numbers per AP, you will need to be just as concerned with obtaining high-capacity backhaul than PtMP performance. The 802.11 based backhauls are cheap and ubiquitous and do pretty good up to about 20meg, but they are about done at that point. Drop the extra coin and get licensed backhauls. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 4/13/2010 8:06 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: This is what I am in the process of doing now. We have another 200 subs to be converted next month. Then another 100 subs after that. Not only is it a multiple truck roll incident, but I already paid for the MikroTik gear...and now am replacing customer equipment with Canopy. ROI just got extended an additional 6 months. We just replaced a complete Trango 900 AP with Canopy 900. Performance is just better and it scales. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand Hi, Let's keep it simple and easy. With Canopy your system can scale infinitely (due to GPS sync) and latency is always very low and consistent (less than 10ms). With UBNT, you can build a system much cheaper, and one that will probably work in a small, rural area. However, it does not scale. So, the question you have to ask is: Will your network ever grow to the size that you run out of channels? On a single tower, there are roughly six legal channels in the 5.8ghz band (using 20mhz channel size). None of the other channels are legal with UBNT gear. So you have 6 channels to use for your entire network, and you can't co-locate near adjacent channels, and you can't have two AP's on different towers facing each other on the same channel. The problem we made on our network was trying to use Mikrotik for PtMP deployments and discovering that it doesn't scale. We ended up having to go to every customer we had installed on two big towers and change them out to Canopy. So we had to roll a truck twice. :( Travis Microserv Glenn Kelley wrote: In trying to make the right buying decision - some simple answers may help. 1. What is the meantime failure rate for your ubiquity equipment 2. What is the avg amount of truck rolls per week you run to fix an issue vs the # of customers you have? ie- if you have say 1500 clients and do 8 troubleshooting calls a week then it would be 1500/8 = .0053% ) 3. how often does a tech call come in (w/o a truck roll) that is equipment related... For some reason I think some of the ubiquity radios just need a power cycle and voila - they behave much better... so - what is the average # of calls per total clients that come in that are fixed w/ simple methods vs a truck roll for the ubiquity users ... Moto Users - do you have this info as well: Reason I ask is because I am wondering - if the cost of Moto is actually worth it... as a smaller operator - this information would be most beneficial for sure. Buying a Moto radio - even if 2 or 3 times the $$ if - the service calls on the back side are much less - might be worth it. Perhaps the cost of Radio vs People (both in manpower as well as client satisfaction for
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
My soon to be 4 and 7 yo boys have iMacs. They are locked down and just do not know about that stuff yet. I removed access to the web browser in the PSP cause the oldest found it. He does not know how to use it (or so I think). The best parents can do these days is be very proactive which you seam to be trying to do. I do not know the legalities of monitoring a kids device, i leave that up to parents and their lawyers. There are key loggers for pretty much everything out there, VPN's to make sure the data comes back to you first, and so on. Talk to your lawyer. If your child has access to these services from another location then I would assume access from there will or has been used. Find out if so and who owns it, you might be able to access much of that history from there. Also the great way back machine and google cache can often have copies of peoples pages. Talk with your lawyer. If I came to you and said your site had given access to my minor, how would your advisers tell you to respond? Likely to fluff me off as fast as possible to avoid any liability. It could take a simple request from a letter head to get them moving on it, or possibly real threat of legal action. Did I mention, talk to your lawyer. S/He will be the best source of information for correct surveilla^R^R parenting of digital children. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Speak firmly and borrow that big stick from Roosevelt when necessary. Fear of God is useless but Fear of Dad is profound. I raised 5 kids, youngest is 32, still works, no stick necessary, they just know where i keep it. Frank Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. attachment: graph_image.php.png WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies
To All; My contact at the NTIA has asked me to provide a list of the states who have been asking WISP's to provide a list of the customer addresses. I know a few of you have mentioned this but I wasn't keeping track. Could you post or send me your experiences and I will forward that directly to the NTIA. We now have a person I can contact directly to express our concerns with this process as necessary. The NTIA has weekly conference calls with the states so there are opportunities to help this process along. Thank You, Brian Webster WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Hey marlon, Sigh...mine is finally 18! However, I totally understand the situation and had to cope with it myself. I employed a key logger. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
We use Bluecoat K9 and are very happy with it so far. My 14 and 13 year olds have Facebook accounts...under the condition that my wife and I are friended and have their passwords so that we can log in as them at any time. I found out that my son had a Google mail account a while back that he did not ask us for. We killed it. We have one home computer. It is a laptop and it stays in the main living areas. So far, I'm way ahead of the kids on technology and they know it. They believe that we can track anything they can do (and we can...to a point). We check up enough so that they know we are watching. I don't think that there is a perfect solution. If the kids are bound and determined to get to something they will do it. I tell kids that, before they hit send, they should think about what their post/text/email would look like on the front page of the NY Times (back when people read it!) above the fold. I've seen posts from my kids friend's on Facebook that make me cringe. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Forgot to mention (like Victoria said) KeyLogger best I've found http://www.covenanteyes.com/ but it's not free. It can be put on a PC and the user never knows that its on there you just get an email as to what that pc did. Still wont stop the Zune. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
I tried to help a customer get Yahoo to delete her email account and it took us almost an entire year to get some action. No, they wouldn't delete it, they would only LOCK it. And that, sadly enough, took a letter from her attorney. As I've heard many times, there is no delete button on the internet. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:44 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hey marlon, Sigh...mine is finally 18! However, I totally understand the situation and had to cope with it myself. I employed a key logger. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?
Hello, I'm trying to provide wireless Internet to a local festival this summer. My plan is to set up temporary APs as there isn't any coverage in that area already. I don't have any towers in the area (or any at all) so my thoughts are that I would have to talk some local building owners into letting me put some small antennas on their roof. Do you have any tips for negotiating these kinds of deals? Alternatively, I've seen a few people mention using satellite Internet; I'm wondering who you all use? I've been planning on needing 5Mbps connectivity. Are there other alternatives for what I'm trying to do? Thanks in advance, Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
I have also used opendns for personal home use and for a corporate customer that wanted control over their Internet. It is solid and does what you need it to do. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 14, 2010, at 7:28 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies
Brian, I am aware of the following: . Ohio Contact: ConnectOhio Sweet, Dave [dsw...@connectohio.org] . Michigan Contact: ConnectMichigan Terry Holmes [te...@tholmes.net] . Oregon Contact: Brian Scaffidi [brian.scaff...@broadmap.com] . Pennsylvania Contact: Diane Lizambri [dlizam...@deltaone.com] . Florida Contact: ConnectFlorida . Illinois Contact: ConnectIllinois . Nebraska . Alaska Contact: ConnectAlaska . Iowa Contact: ConnectIowa . Kansas Contact: ConnectKansas . Minnesota Contact: ConnectMinnesota . Nevada Contact: ConnectNevada . South Carolina Contact: ConnectSouthCarolina . Tennessee Contact: ConnectedTennessee . Texas Contact: ConnectedTexas . Mississippi Contact: Brian Scaffidi [brian.scaff...@broadmap.com] . South Dakota Contact: Brian Scaffidi [brian.scaff...@broadmap.com] . Montana Contact: Montana Department of Commerce . Utah Contact: Utah Public Service Commission (PSC) . New Hampshire Contact: University of New Hampshire (UNH) There may be others active that I haven't heard of yet. I'm sure other people will chime in and hopefully fill in some contact names and email addresses. Thanks, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies To All; My contact at the NTIA has asked me to provide a list of the states who have been asking WISP's to provide a list of the customer addresses. I know a few of you have mentioned this but I wasn't keeping track. Could you post or send me your experiences and I will forward that directly to the NTIA. We now have a person I can contact directly to express our concerns with this process as necessary. The NTIA has weekly conference calls with the states so there are opportunities to help this process along. Thank You, Brian Webster --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2809 - Release Date: 04/13/10 20:22:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
YES! I've told many, many people.. If you want to keep your kids safe, no laptops, desktops that can't be lugged around and keep them all in a central, common area in the home. We have a computer repair business so we see everything. And I mean EVERYTHING! What is the number one favorite activity of 13, 14, 15+ year old girls who get that digital camera for their birthday? Hundreds of pictures of themselves in the mirror and some with not much or nothing on. Add that to the My Space pictures folder full of penis shots sent to them. I gave a laptop to a friend's daughter for school. What do I find? This 15 year old girl had amassed hundreds of nude pics of military men in Iraq and Afghanistan. She had become some sort of Pin Up girl for them, they were trading pics and chatting. Sigh...So she told the girl, at my suggestion, that I put Mirror Track software on the laptop to send me logs of everything. HA! No more problems with that now, she probably moved her activities to another machine someplace. Nothing you can do when they are motivated. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids We use Bluecoat K9 and are very happy with it so far. My 14 and 13 year olds have Facebook accounts...under the condition that my wife and I are friended and have their passwords so that we can log in as them at any time. I found out that my son had a Google mail account a while back that he did not ask us for. We killed it. We have one home computer. It is a laptop and it stays in the main living areas. So far, I'm way ahead of the kids on technology and they know it. They believe that we can track anything they can do (and we can...to a point). We check up enough so that they know we are watching. I don't think that there is a perfect solution. If the kids are bound and determined to get to something they will do it. I tell kids that, before they hit send, they should think about what their post/text/email would look like on the front page of the NY Times (back when people read it!) above the fold. I've seen posts from my kids friend's on Facebook that make me cringe. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I
Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies
Brian, Correction, I do not know which ones have asked for customer addresses specifically. Sorry about the quick submit button. Rick Brian, I am aware of the following: . Ohio Contact: ConnectOhio Sweet, Dave [dsw...@connectohio.org] . Michigan Contact: ConnectMichigan Terry Holmes [te...@tholmes.net] . Oregon Contact: Brian Scaffidi [brian.scaff...@broadmap.com] . Pennsylvania Contact: Diane Lizambri [dlizam...@deltaone.com] . Florida Contact: ConnectFlorida . Illinois Contact: ConnectIllinois . Nebraska . Alaska Contact: ConnectAlaska . Iowa Contact: ConnectIowa . Kansas Contact: ConnectKansas . Minnesota Contact: ConnectMinnesota . Nevada Contact: ConnectNevada . South Carolina Contact: ConnectSouthCarolina . Tennessee Contact: ConnectedTennessee . Texas Contact: ConnectedTexas . Mississippi Contact: Brian Scaffidi [brian.scaff...@broadmap.com] . South Dakota Contact: Brian Scaffidi [brian.scaff...@broadmap.com] . Montana Contact: Montana Department of Commerce . Utah Contact: Utah Public Service Commission (PSC) . New Hampshire Contact: University of New Hampshire (UNH) There may be others active that I haven't heard of yet. I'm sure other people will chime in and hopefully fill in some contact names and email addresses. Thanks, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies To All; My contact at the NTIA has asked me to provide a list of the states who have been asking WISP's to provide a list of the customer addresses. I know a few of you have mentioned this but I wasn't keeping track. Could you post or send me your experiences and I will forward that directly to the NTIA. We now have a person I can contact directly to express our concerns with this process as necessary. The NTIA has weekly conference calls with the states so there are opportunities to help this process along. Thank You, Brian Webster --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2809 - Release Date: 04/13/10 20:22:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Have you posted this on the Ubiquiti forums? The developers will work with you to determine the issue you are seeing, will make the product better for all of us. Regards Michael Baird Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Around here there are some kids with live linux on key drives they boot into to keep things private. Set your boot order to not have USB or CD in the boot order and put an admin password on the bios. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Forgot to mention (like Victoria said) KeyLogger best I've found http://www.covenanteyes.com/ but it's not free. It can be put on a PC and the user never knows that its on there you just get an email as to what that pc did. Still wont stop the Zune. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?
If it's a festival, the shop owners benefit from such a thing and there is probably a committee that would do the footwork for you. Talk to the festival committee. Shouldn't take much of anything to do what you're trying to accomplish. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hooper Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet? Hello, I'm trying to provide wireless Internet to a local festival this summer. My plan is to set up temporary APs as there isn't any coverage in that area already. I don't have any towers in the area (or any at all) so my thoughts are that I would have to talk some local building owners into letting me put some small antennas on their roof. Do you have any tips for negotiating these kinds of deals? Alternatively, I've seen a few people mention using satellite Internet; I'm wondering who you all use? I've been planning on needing 5Mbps connectivity. Are there other alternatives for what I'm trying to do? Thanks in advance, Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies
Here's one... Dawn Clark, Project Coordinator Connected Nation, Inc. dcl...@connectednation.org Cell: 270.791.3308 Direct: 270.846.7622 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:00 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; 'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies Brian, I am aware of the following: . Ohio Contact: ConnectOhio Sweet, Dave [dsw...@connectohio.org] . Michigan Contact: ConnectMichigan Terry Holmes [te...@tholmes.net] . Oregon Contact: Brian Scaffidi [brian.scaff...@broadmap.com] . Pennsylvania Contact: Diane Lizambri [dlizam...@deltaone.com] . Florida Contact: ConnectFlorida . Illinois Contact: ConnectIllinois . Nebraska . Alaska Contact: ConnectAlaska . Iowa Contact: ConnectIowa . Kansas Contact: ConnectKansas . Minnesota Contact: ConnectMinnesota . Nevada Contact: ConnectNevada . South Carolina Contact: ConnectSouthCarolina . Tennessee Contact: ConnectedTennessee . Texas Contact: ConnectedTexas . Mississippi Contact: Brian Scaffidi [brian.scaff...@broadmap.com] . South Dakota Contact: Brian Scaffidi [brian.scaff...@broadmap.com] . Montana Contact: Montana Department of Commerce . Utah Contact: Utah Public Service Commission (PSC) . New Hampshire Contact: University of New Hampshire (UNH) There may be others active that I haven't heard of yet. I'm sure other people will chime in and hopefully fill in some contact names and email addresses. Thanks, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies To All; My contact at the NTIA has asked me to provide a list of the states who have been asking WISP's to provide a list of the customer addresses. I know a few of you have mentioned this but I wasn't keeping track. Could you post or send me your experiences and I will forward that directly to the NTIA. We now have a person I can contact directly to express our concerns with this process as necessary. The NTIA has weekly conference calls with the states so there are opportunities to help this process along. Thank You, Brian Webster --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2809 - Release Date: 04/13/10 20:22:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Those kids will then install Ubuntu using Wubi (if they have admin rights), have the back-door bios passwords somewhere, or start charring around a HDD and screwdriver. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Around here there are some kids with live linux on key drives they boot into to keep things private. Set your boot order to not have USB or CD in the boot order and put an admin password on the bios. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Forgot to mention (like Victoria said) KeyLogger best I've found http://www.covenanteyes.com/ but it's not free. It can be put on a PC and the user never knows that its on there you just get an email as to what that pc did. Still wont stop the Zune. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand
No. It is impossible to get the same number of subs on a polling MAC (UBNT, Trango) as with Canopy. The reason is that Canopy does their scheduling in hardware, not software. Mikrotik attempted to make their system handle more than 30 subs by improving the polling code, but they said it was as good as it could get. The CPU just can not handle enough interrupts to make the polling work with more than 30-40 subs. (I worked on this with them for over a year). There is a reason Canopy does it in hardware. Travis Microserv Jon Auer wrote: On that note, I have a few questions. On those 40-50 802.11 subs, what kind of bandwidth are the users seeing/are you selling them? Do you count a polling MAC on a 802.11 chipset, say Ubiquiti AirMax, in with 802.11? My assumption would be that with a polling MAC on 802.11 chips you should see nearly the number of subs of Canopy minus the frequency reuse you get with GPS sync. Would you say that is accurate? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Right on schedule, its time for the 802.11 vs Canopy crusades. If you deploy it right, you should be able to get about 40-50 subs on 802.11 based APs. If your application is going to require higher density than that, go with Canopy, as you can probably get 120-150 per AP before they max out.If you intend to deploy symmetrical speeds, you should probably deploy Canopy. 10mhz channel sizes seem to make a big difference on 802.11, as you can then put up more sectors and the throughput doesn't diminish that much with the half-size channels. I wouldn't put up Ubiquiti or Tranzeo APs, I would definitely go with StarOS or Mikrotik for the APs to get the added functionality that they offer. I have several thousand subs deployed on my network and on networks that I designed handling VOIP and just about any other application needed by the end users just fine - all with 802.11 based gear. A special thanks to the Canopy guys out there who have been selling me their used Tranzeo CPEs - your old radios are alive and well on my network. Win-Win. If you are going to scale to huge numbers per AP, you will need to be just as concerned with obtaining high-capacity backhaul than PtMP performance. The 802.11 based backhauls are cheap and ubiquitous and do pretty good up to about 20meg, but they are about done at that point. Drop the extra coin and get licensed backhauls. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 4/13/2010 8:06 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: This is what I am in the process of doing now. We have another 200 subs to be converted next month. Then another 100 subs after that. Not only is it a multiple truck roll incident, but I already paid for the MikroTik gear...and now am replacing customer equipment with Canopy. ROI just got extended an additional 6 months. We just replaced a complete Trango 900 AP with Canopy 900. Performance is just better and it scales. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand Hi, Let's keep it simple and easy. With Canopy your system can scale infinitely (due to GPS sync) and latency is always very low and consistent (less than 10ms). With UBNT, you can build a system much cheaper, and one that will probably work in a small, rural area. However, it does not scale. So, the question you have to ask is: Will your network ever grow to the size that you run out of channels? On a single tower, there are roughly six legal channels in the 5.8ghz band (using 20mhz channel size). None of the other channels are legal with UBNT gear. So you have 6 channels to use for your entire network, and you can't co-locate near adjacent channels, and you can't have two AP's on different towers facing each other on the same channel. The problem we made on our network was trying to use Mikrotik for PtMP deployments and discovering that it doesn't scale. We ended up having to go to every customer we had installed on two big towers and change them out to Canopy. So we had to roll a truck twice. :( Travis Microserv Glenn Kelley wrote: In trying to make the right buying decision - some simple answers may help. 1. What is the meantime failure rate for your ubiquity equipment 2. What is the avg amount of truck rolls per week you run to fix an issue vs the # of customers you have? ie- if you have say 1500 clients and do 8 troubleshooting calls a week then it would be 1500/8 = .0053% ) 3. how often does a tech call come in (w/o a truck roll) that is equipment related... For some reason I think some of the ubiquity radios just need a power cycle and voila - they behave much
Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?
Satellite at 5mbps? Not going to happen. Mobile cards will be quicker but very area dependant. On 4/14/10, Charles Hooper choo...@plumata.com wrote: Hello, I'm trying to provide wireless Internet to a local festival this summer. My plan is to set up temporary APs as there isn't any coverage in that area already. I don't have any towers in the area (or any at all) so my thoughts are that I would have to talk some local building owners into letting me put some small antennas on their roof. Do you have any tips for negotiating these kinds of deals? Alternatively, I've seen a few people mention using satellite Internet; I'm wondering who you all use? I've been planning on needing 5Mbps connectivity. Are there other alternatives for what I'm trying to do? Thanks in advance, Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?
When you say no coverage, are you meaning there is NO internet access there or that you have no coverage yourself with wireless? If internet is indeed available there via a wire, then the rest is easy. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet? Satellite at 5mbps? Not going to happen. Mobile cards will be quicker but very area dependant. On 4/14/10, Charles Hooper choo...@plumata.com wrote: Hello, I'm trying to provide wireless Internet to a local festival this summer. My plan is to set up temporary APs as there isn't any coverage in that area already. I don't have any towers in the area (or any at all) so my thoughts are that I would have to talk some local building owners into letting me put some small antennas on their roof. Do you have any tips for negotiating these kinds of deals? Alternatively, I've seen a few people mention using satellite Internet; I'm wondering who you all use? I've been planning on needing 5Mbps connectivity. Are there other alternatives for what I'm trying to do? Thanks in advance, Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
You got it! But hey, I was the same way back in the day but then it was red boxing and phone hacking. (Ohio Bell made regular calls to my mother requesting her to have me take whatever it was off the line. My nemesis at the phone company eventually became a good friend when I got older) If they're motivated they will rise to the challenge and when they do, my hats off to them! At least they can get some GOOD experience from the effort, I hope anyway. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Those kids will then install Ubuntu using Wubi (if they have admin rights), have the back-door bios passwords somewhere, or start charring around a HDD and screwdriver. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Around here there are some kids with live linux on key drives they boot into to keep things private. Set your boot order to not have USB or CD in the boot order and put an admin password on the bios. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Forgot to mention (like Victoria said) KeyLogger best I've found http://www.covenanteyes.com/ but it's not free. It can be put on a PC and the user never knows that its on there you just get an email as to what that pc did. Still wont stop the Zune. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon
Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand
We have seen a lot of this actually. For small trailer parks or neighborhood blocks that can't see a tower. Basically, have a Moto SM go to a rooftop that can reach the AP and then put a NS2 behind it pointing in the direction of a group of houses that you normally can't see. Put the NS2 in AP mode and reach an addition 5-10 customers. The cost of a Moto AP may not justify adding a small 5-10 customers but the NS2 makes a little more sense. I personally wouldn't recommend this because network management can become a huge PITA but for smaller SPs every dollar increase matters. -Jeff Convergence Technologies There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Francois D. Menard Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand Actually, both work together ... we extend our Canopy PPPoE bridged segments with Ubnt's for el-cheapo point-to-point extensions ... Sort of a Moto Canopy P2MP-to-UBnt(P)-to-UBnt(P) F. On 2010-04-13, at 8:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It's not so much what you're discussing there as much as the capabilities of the ptmp products. You simply can not offer the latency guarantees using Ubiquiti/802.11 that Canopy provides. Now if you've got 3 people to serve I think it's financially ridiculous to get a Canopy system involved... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: In trying to make the right buying decision - some simple answers may help. 1. What is the meantime failure rate for your ubiquity equipment 2. What is the avg amount of truck rolls per week you run to fix an issue vs the # of customers you have? ie- if you have say 1500 clients and do 8 troubleshooting calls a week then it would be 1500/8 = .0053% ) 3. how often does a tech call come in (w/o a truck roll) that is equipment related... For some reason I think some of the ubiquity radios just need a power cycle and voila - they behave much better... so - what is the average # of calls per total clients that come in that are fixed w/ simple methods vs a truck roll for the ubiquity users ... Moto Users - do you have this info as well: Reason I ask is because I am wondering - if the cost of Moto is actually worth it... as a smaller operator - this information would be most beneficial for sure. Buying a Moto radio - even if 2 or 3 times the $$ if - the service calls on the back side are much less - might be worth it. Perhaps the cost of Radio vs People (both in manpower as well as client satisfaction for uptime) make the buying decision much easier... but having some numbers to go along with this would be great. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?
No coverage myself with wireless, I apologize for the confusion. -Original Message- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:25am To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet? When you say no coverage, are you meaning there is NO internet access there or that you have no coverage yourself with wireless? If internet is indeed available there via a wire, then the rest is easy. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet? Satellite at 5mbps? Not going to happen. Mobile cards will be quicker but very area dependant. On 4/14/10, Charles Hooper choo...@plumata.com wrote: Hello, I'm trying to provide wireless Internet to a local festival this summer. My plan is to set up temporary APs as there isn't any coverage in that area already. I don't have any towers in the area (or any at all) so my thoughts are that I would have to talk some local building owners into letting me put some small antennas on their roof. Do you have any tips for negotiating these kinds of deals? Alternatively, I've seen a few people mention using satellite Internet; I'm wondering who you all use? I've been planning on needing 5Mbps connectivity. Are there other alternatives for what I'm trying to do? Thanks in advance, Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Marlon asked: So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? I taught them respect for others. I taught them to treat the janitor the same as they'd treat the principal. I taught them to befriend the friendless. I taught them honesty and integrity, and demonstrated by example. Tell them regularly you are proud of them. Trust them unless given reason not to trust. Listen. Listen some more. Ask good questions. Show an interest in what they are and what they do. My situation may be different than some other's, but I did some other things. I taught them how to handle guns with safety and to shoot. I taught them early how to drive a vehicle, as soon as they could see over the steering wheel, we took the Jeep out in the sticks and I taught them to drive. Parenting is not easy. Kids don't come with an owner's manual, and unfortunately don't come with an on-off switch. God speed in your parenting. Be careful you don't come down too hard and alienate them. Some such rifts last for years. Be aware that at 13, a kid thinks you are the most stupid person in the world, but at 21 will have an epiphany that you were right all along. Be aware that whoever coined the term terrible twos, never met a 4 year old, OR a 13 year old. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?
Well, for temp access I'm sure some of the businesses have internet, piggy back onto them and set a bandwidth limit so as not to suck them dry. Again, a festival committee could probably line them up for you and they could be added as a sponsor of the free wireless internet. Depending on the size of the festival, you may only need a couple of bullets with an omni on each. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of choo...@plumata.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet? No coverage myself with wireless, I apologize for the confusion. -Original Message- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:25am To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet? When you say no coverage, are you meaning there is NO internet access there or that you have no coverage yourself with wireless? If internet is indeed available there via a wire, then the rest is easy. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet? Satellite at 5mbps? Not going to happen. Mobile cards will be quicker but very area dependant. On 4/14/10, Charles Hooper choo...@plumata.com wrote: Hello, I'm trying to provide wireless Internet to a local festival this summer. My plan is to set up temporary APs as there isn't any coverage in that area already. I don't have any towers in the area (or any at all) so my thoughts are that I would have to talk some local building owners into letting me put some small antennas on their roof. Do you have any tips for negotiating these kinds of deals? Alternatively, I've seen a few people mention using satellite Internet; I'm wondering who you all use? I've been planning on needing 5Mbps connectivity. Are there other alternatives for what I'm trying to do? Thanks in advance, Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
You could always send them back to Russia with a note saying you no longer want them. Right? Obscure news story. sorry. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon asked: So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? I taught them respect for others. I taught them to treat the janitor the same as they'd treat the principal. I taught them to befriend the friendless. I taught them honesty and integrity, and demonstrated by example. Tell them regularly you are proud of them. Trust them unless given reason not to trust. Listen. Listen some more. Ask good questions. Show an interest in what they are and what they do. My situation may be different than some other's, but I did some other things. I taught them how to handle guns with safety and to shoot. I taught them early how to drive a vehicle, as soon as they could see over the steering wheel, we took the Jeep out in the sticks and I taught them to drive. Parenting is not easy. Kids don't come with an owner's manual, and unfortunately don't come with an on-off switch. God speed in your parenting. Be careful you don't come down too hard and alienate them. Some such rifts last for years. Be aware that at 13, a kid thinks you are the most stupid person in the world, but at 21 will have an epiphany that you were right all along. Be aware that whoever coined the term terrible twos, never met a 4 year old, OR a 13 year old. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
After getting 4 kids into their 20's, and learning from my own mistakes (A LOT of them) this is what I have come up with. TRUST. As soon as you expressly forbid them to do something, you have waived that red flag in front of them, and they will find a way. And you know, with the Zunes, Ipods, Cell phones, PSP's, etc, all with internet access, as well as library computers, school computers (the password to unlock the browsing safety program is well known) friends computers, etc, kids will access the net without you knowing about it, and they will do some stupid things. Teach them the consequences, both from you and from the real world, what can happen, and then be there. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:49 AM Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Yesterday my 13 year old son made me proud for about 10 seconds when we were working on a project for school. The paper asked, Who has been the biggest influence in your life?. He says, My Dad! with a big grin. The wife is all happy too and asks why and he points to his belly. Cause I eat what he eats and my belly is big! Hmm. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon asked: So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? I taught them respect for others. I taught them to treat the janitor the same as they'd treat the principal. I taught them to befriend the friendless. I taught them honesty and integrity, and demonstrated by example. Tell them regularly you are proud of them. Trust them unless given reason not to trust. Listen. Listen some more. Ask good questions. Show an interest in what they are and what they do. My situation may be different than some other's, but I did some other things. I taught them how to handle guns with safety and to shoot. I taught them early how to drive a vehicle, as soon as they could see over the steering wheel, we took the Jeep out in the sticks and I taught them to drive. Parenting is not easy. Kids don't come with an owner's manual, and unfortunately don't come with an on-off switch. God speed in your parenting. Be careful you don't come down too hard and alienate them. Some such rifts last for years. Be aware that at 13, a kid thinks you are the most stupid person in the world, but at 21 will have an epiphany that you were right all along. Be aware that whoever coined the term terrible twos, never met a 4 year old, OR a 13 year old. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?
Drop in your own bandwidth, and run off generator of batteries. WE ran an entire festival over a weekend off 4 car batteries, and a 30 foot push up pole :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hooper Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet? Hello, I'm trying to provide wireless Internet to a local festival this summer. My plan is to set up temporary APs as there isn't any coverage in that area already. I don't have any towers in the area (or any at all) so my thoughts are that I would have to talk some local building owners into letting me put some small antennas on their roof. Do you have any tips for negotiating these kinds of deals? Alternatively, I've seen a few people mention using satellite Internet; I'm wondering who you all use? I've been planning on needing 5Mbps connectivity. Are there other alternatives for what I'm trying to do? Thanks in advance, Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Marlon, I think the issues you have here are common ones wether or not computers, hotmail, myspace or facebook are involved. They are just parent child issues. I used to be a technology coordinator for a school district. If you place security software on the machines, it will be worked around in minutes. The best thing I ever did was remove all of the stuff blocking everything, turned all of the machines around so I could see all the screens in the classrooms from the position you were teaching from and then put out the word in a whisper campaign that The School Tech guy can see EVERYTHING! :) This also works in corp environments... a quick walk into the sheep-porn-surfing-CFOs office with a stern I see everything... and I mean everything stops that stuff cold! In my personal life (I still consider myself young) I found that trust between parent and kid was the best method. The best thing my mother did was sit down with me one day and just tell me some of the crazy (s**t)... er things she did when she was my age... After hearing of: -The occasional kegger in the woods with her girlfriends (pull '69 Lincoln into the beer warehouse, place kegs in back seat, fill back seat with ice, go to party...) -Dating and all the things that went on with that. -Dating my dad (stop mom, I don't want to hear that!!) -disagreements with her parents. -occasional trouble in school. -etc, etc, etc.. I really started being really open with my mother because I knew that the things I was doing (staying out late occasionally, hanging out with friends, the occasional bottle of Boones grape flavored wine...) were minor things that she had done and were not as shocking to her as I thought. Because she was open with me about the good decisions and the bad ones she made, I was open with her. This open communication allows me to ask her advice on _ANYTHING_ because she was, and is not, judging me. While I have not always taken her advice, it has helped me make decisions from my teenage years till now... Of course. As it should be, when I was doing something that my mother would think was 'bad' the guilt would make me stop... When my now 7 year old is a bit older, my wife and I have agreed to share all of our life experiences with her. Good or bad. Sometimes it helps to know your parents were not saints and did make mistakes. We hope she comes to us with her problems, not so we can judge her, but so we can offer her our advice. We hope she learns from our mistakes. I want her to be the kid that calls me when she is drunk at 17 to come pick her up, rather than driving home to hide the fact she is drunk. I want her to know that there will be A HELL OF ALOT MORE trouble if my fire pager goes off and I have to cut her out of her car in the middle of the night than there would be if she pukes in my back seat. DDD That was way too much information to give out on the list. I think I might need a new group-ther...@wispa.org list-serv! Good luck Marlon, from a former teenage domestic terrorist all I can say is I am pretty sure your kid will survive... and prosper... I mean, you are his dad and you are a great example to follow! I have to go now. I need to call my mom! :) ryan On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
I have to echo Mike's sentiments on this subject. If a kid is motivated, they will find a way around any technical barrier that you put in place to stop them from posting/texting/sexting/etc. There are public computers, cell-phones, ipod/ipads, thumb drives, and damn near a million ways to get on line. The best method to protect children has been around for years... Teach them respect for themselves and others. Teach them to recognize the difference between right and wrong. Teach them to be leaders not followers. I have two sons ages 9 and 11. One's a WEBELOS (Cub Scout) the other is a TENDERFOOT (Boy Scout). We have three or four planned activities every month and it IS A TIME COMMITMENT! The boys have learned how to camp, how use a knife properly, how to shoot, how to show respect to others, to the flag, to our country, to god, and to family. I used to think Boy Scouts were a thing of the past... but I have renewed respect for the organization. It provides a structure to teach boys many of the life-skills that have been forgotten in this day-and-age and it provides an outlet to allow parents to become involved in the lives of their children. Best of luck to all of you parents, it's not easy but it is rewarding when you can look back on the lives that you helped foster. Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon asked: So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? I taught them respect for others. I taught them to treat the janitor the same as they'd treat the principal. I taught them to befriend the friendless. I taught them honesty and integrity, and demonstrated by example. Tell them regularly you are proud of them. Trust them unless given reason not to trust. Listen. Listen some more. Ask good questions. Show an interest in what they are and what they do. My situation may be different than some other's, but I did some other things. I taught them how to handle guns with safety and to shoot. I taught them early how to drive a vehicle, as soon as they could see over the steering wheel, we took the Jeep out in the sticks and I taught them to drive. Parenting is not easy. Kids don't come with an owner's manual, and unfortunately don't come with an on-off switch. God speed in your parenting. Be careful you don't come down too hard and alienate them. Some such rifts last for years. Be aware that at 13, a kid thinks you are the most stupid person in the world, but at 21 will have an epiphany that you were right all along. Be aware that whoever coined the term terrible twos, never met a 4 year old, OR a 13 year old. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Fiasco Followup
Nice, Matt, nice... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 5:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; nnsq...@nnsquad.org; Telecom Regulation the Internet cyberteleco...@listserv.aol.com Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Fiasco Followup Apparently my tirade about broadband mapping reached a few ears in Washington, as the NE PSC called me this afternoon to let me know that the NTIA is willing to accept shape files and is willing to relax some of the data requirements in order to get fuller representation from WISPs.Making ourselves heard and showing a willingness to be part of the solution is the first step to getting better results. Here is a copy of the email that I sent to the Nebraska PSC today with my followup comments. Other commentary and discussion regarding this is available at Wireless Cowboys http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/ Matt Larsen vistabeam.com I am writing with further comments and concerns about the Nebraska Broadband Mapping Initiative. After participating in the conference call about the mapping program yesterday, I was left with several concerns. My first concern is about the accuracy of the data that will be collected. The number of providers that have not responded to the NDA request and/or the data request is very high, and that means that there will be substantial inaccuracies in the final dataset that will make the final results of the project flawed. A dataset that only includes 20-50% of the total data needed could lead to policy decisions that could have an adverse affect on the smaller providers that cover otherwise unserved areas by encouraging government supported overbuilds. This would be wasteful of taxpayer money and could put many of the smaller providers out of business, causing a net loss of jobs and the loss of broadband service to customers of those smaller providers. It is critical that most if not all of the broadband providers in the state be represented in this project. The attitude that the state contractor appears to have is that non respondents will simply not be included. I would hope that this attitude will change to be more inclusive of the smaller, non-wireline providers who do not have the ability to generate the requested data easily. My second concern is about the data that is being requested. The data request template is asking for a lot of data that I don't feel comfortable divulging to any outside entities, including customer addresses, GPS coordinates and frequencies used on our towers and the anchor institutions that we serve. Many of the other WISPs that I work with are also not comfortable turning this information over to an outside party, even with the NDA. After several discussions with other experts in the mapping and data collection field, I have come to the conclusion that the mapping requirements would be effectively served by delivering the GIS shape files of our coverage areas along with a summary of subscribers in each census block. I have already delivered the requested shape files showing our coverage, and am working toward the census block summaries. If the data requirements could be adjusted so that this information would be suitable, I believe that you would get more response from the smaller providers. My third concern is about the cost for smaller, non-wireline providers to collect the data. While most wireline providers already have shape files and geocoding information already collected and available, many wireless providers do not have this information readily available and do not have the tools or technical knowledge to get this information collected within the requested time frame. Committing man hours to do this in-house or bring in outside assistance places an undue financial burden on providers that are often self-funded and would prefer to invest that money into their networks. The grant was given to the PSC, not the providers, and yet we are being asked to spend our time and money to get this information together. Coming up with a way to help provide the manpower and financial assistance necessary to collect this information would provide a win-win situation for the providers and the PSC and increase the amount of data collected. Finally, I believe that more effective outreach could be established with the providers so that the comfort level is higher. Sending an email with a large data request and a short deadline for response is not going to be received well. A series of emails with detailed explanations of the program's purposes and benefits to providers, an intelligently designed website with progress reports and followup phone calls to the providers who have not returned the information would go over much better. WISPs have not been required to collect this
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
If YOU came to me about something your kid was doing on MY system *I* would try to help you out as much as I could. But then again, I'm not a mega corp either. To me your kid is more valuable than the money I'd loose by running off a few customers. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids My soon to be 4 and 7 yo boys have iMacs. They are locked down and just do not know about that stuff yet. I removed access to the web browser in the PSP cause the oldest found it. He does not know how to use it (or so I think). The best parents can do these days is be very proactive which you seam to be trying to do. I do not know the legalities of monitoring a kids device, i leave that up to parents and their lawyers. There are key loggers for pretty much everything out there, VPN's to make sure the data comes back to you first, and so on. Talk to your lawyer. If your child has access to these services from another location then I would assume access from there will or has been used. Find out if so and who owns it, you might be able to access much of that history from there. Also the great way back machine and google cache can often have copies of peoples pages. Talk with your lawyer. If I came to you and said your site had given access to my minor, how would your advisers tell you to respond? Likely to fluff me off as fast as possible to avoid any liability. It could take a simple request from a letter head to get them moving on it, or possibly real threat of legal action. Did I mention, talk to your lawyer. S/He will be the best source of information for correct surveilla^R^R parenting of digital children. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies
Washington asked for a lot of info. I wouldn't give it to them so I don't remember exactly what they wanted marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:28 AM Subject: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies To All; My contact at the NTIA has asked me to provide a list of the states who have been asking WISP's to provide a list of the customer addresses. I know a few of you have mentioned this but I wasn't keeping track. Could you post or send me your experiences and I will forward that directly to the NTIA. We now have a person I can contact directly to express our concerns with this process as necessary. The NTIA has weekly conference calls with the states so there are opportunities to help this process along. Thank You, Brian Webster WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
We taken the other route. My son got his own domain, he got his own e-mail for his domain. Allowed him a Facebook account he have to have us as friends and we know the password. I get a copy (unknown by him) of any e-mails going to his e-mail account. We had the talk about proper online behavior such as never to share contact information such as address and phone number. He got his own netbook and itouch used to be limited what he could do by a software but it had so much flaws we disabled it (windows account is a limited account so can't install software). The router (mikrotik) logs the addresses he is visiting thanks to webproxy setup. On the itouch he do not have setup so he can install programs himself but he will ask and so far only been one app we wouldn't install (comic reader that could access as adult type comics and explained to him why wouldn't allow that one but found another software that would allow comic access but without adult content). So far so good. Daughter also got her own netbook but still using the software on it and it works best for her for now because it simplifies things on it for her. We tried the other way around with the older kids and it didn't work to great to be honest and was why the webproxy got setup in the first place and wish that XP been the OS back then so we could have given them limited access to windows but that was back in the days of 98. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
I worked at the MSN SOC (Service Operations Center) for a short while where requests like the one you listed below come in. Our hands were tied. There are specific hoops we had to jump through for ANY request of this type. Basically, there is a law enforcement fax number that goes to corporate legal. They review it and action is taken from there. IIRC, On an emergent cases we could clone the account and keep data either locked, or allow it to be accessed with a shadow copy to keep evidence/information intact and non-deleted. An emergent case would be one that may lead to immediate harm to an individual (kidnapping, suicide, murder etc)... Parent/child is not a criminal matter, it is a domestic/civil one. Service providers are not domestic refs or law enforcement. *sigh* and let me tell you, it is a fine line that I wanted to leap across... often. ryan On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I tried to help a customer get Yahoo to delete her email account and it took us almost an entire year to get some action. No, they wouldn't delete it, they would only LOCK it. And that, sadly enough, took a letter from her attorney. As I've heard many times, there is no delete button on the internet. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:44 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hey marlon, Sigh...mine is finally 18! However, I totally understand the situation and had to cope with it myself. I employed a key logger. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies
Maine has asked for it. I'll try to get some details privately emailed to you. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 08:28:46AM -0400, Brian Webster wrote: To All; My contact at the NTIA has asked me to provide a list of the states who have been asking WISP's to provide a list of the customer addresses. I know a few of you have mentioned this but I wasn't keeping track. Could you post or send me your experiences and I will forward that directly to the NTIA. We now have a person I can contact directly to express our concerns with this process as necessary. The NTIA has weekly conference calls with the states so there are opportunities to help this process along. Thank You, Brian Webster WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Ok granted I should have seen that response. I meant to phrase is in a business way, i failed. My point is that $corp liability will trump $random.person in most cases. It also was not about running of customers but about the liability of actions. The more mom pop like a company, the more likely they are to assist others (in pretty much all areas). On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: If YOU came to me about something your kid was doing on MY system *I* would try to help you out as much as I could. But then again, I'm not a mega corp either. To me your kid is more valuable than the money I'd loose by running off a few customers. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids My soon to be 4 and 7 yo boys have iMacs. They are locked down and just do not know about that stuff yet. I removed access to the web browser in the PSP cause the oldest found it. He does not know how to use it (or so I think). The best parents can do these days is be very proactive which you seam to be trying to do. I do not know the legalities of monitoring a kids device, i leave that up to parents and their lawyers. There are key loggers for pretty much everything out there, VPN's to make sure the data comes back to you first, and so on. Talk to your lawyer. If your child has access to these services from another location then I would assume access from there will or has been used. Find out if so and who owns it, you might be able to access much of that history from there. Also the great way back machine and google cache can often have copies of peoples pages. Talk with your lawyer. If I came to you and said your site had given access to my minor, how would your advisers tell you to respond? Likely to fluff me off as fast as possible to avoid any liability. It could take a simple request from a letter head to get them moving on it, or possibly real threat of legal action. Did I mention, talk to your lawyer. S/He will be the best source of information for correct surveilla^R^R parenting of digital children. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies
Maybe we should just have a WISPA Standard. I propose we have Brian (or someone else) whip up a quick web-page that we can put our coverage areas on. Then WISPA can just submit that data to the state agencies on our behalf. Then WISPA becomes a clearing house for WISP information... this may make lobbying for changes in information gathering a little easier. *off to go get pop-corn to watch the show I just started on this list* ryan On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:13 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: Maine has asked for it. I'll try to get some details privately emailed to you. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 08:28:46AM -0400, Brian Webster wrote: To All; My contact at the NTIA has asked me to provide a list of the states who have been asking WISP's to provide a list of the customer addresses. I know a few of you have mentioned this but I wasn't keeping track. Could you post or send me your experiences and I will forward that directly to the NTIA. We now have a person I can contact directly to express our concerns with this process as necessary. The NTIA has weekly conference calls with the states so there are opportunities to help this process along. Thank You, Brian Webster WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies
In my discussions with CN, all they wanted was tower information. Location, frequency, equipment types, etc. I worked with the people previously mentioned on the list. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies To All; My contact at the NTIA has asked me to provide a list of the states who have been asking WISP's to provide a list of the customer addresses. I know a few of you have mentioned this but I wasn't keeping track. Could you post or send me your experiences and I will forward that directly to the NTIA. We now have a person I can contact directly to express our concerns with this process as necessary. The NTIA has weekly conference calls with the states so there are opportunities to help this process along. Thank You, Brian Webster WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies
In Ohio they are asking basically for your oversubscription weight. Here is
the paragraph exactly as it appears on the form:
[per NTIA]: A providers subscriber-weighted nominal speed (in kbps) should
be calculated as the sum of the products of the providers advertised
maximum download data transmission rate (in kbps) for each residential rate
tier advertised by the provider in the county, times the average monthly
number of residential subscribers receiving the advertised download
transmission rate tier for the relevant reporting month (i.e., June or
December, as applicable), divided by the average total number of residential
subscribers for all the included data transmission rate tiers in the county
for that month. This is expressed in the following formula:
{[(speed tier-1 in kbps) x (no. of tier-1 subscribers)] + [(speed tier-2 in
kbps) x (no. of tier-2 subscribers)] +
} ÷
[total average monthly subscribers]
For example, if the service provider offers two tiers of service with
advertised maximum download speeds of 1500 kbps and 6000 kbps, calculate the
product of 1500 kbps times the average monthly number of residential
subscribers to the 1500 kbps speed tier plus the product of 6000 kbps times
the average monthly number of residential subscribers to the 6000 kbps speed
tier and divide the sum by the sum (or total) of the average monthly number
of residential subscribers in both tiers.
Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies
In my discussions with CN, all they wanted was tower information. Location,
frequency, equipment types, etc. I worked with the people previously
mentioned on the list.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:28 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies
To All;
My contact at the NTIA has asked me to provide a list of
the
states who have been asking WISP's to provide a list of the customer
addresses. I know a few of you have mentioned this but I wasn't keeping
track. Could you post or send me your experiences and I will forward that
directly to the NTIA. We now have a person I can contact directly to
express
our concerns with this process as necessary. The NTIA has weekly
conference
calls with the states so there are opportunities to help this process
along.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
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[WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
For what it is worth, it looks like the issue of liability and disclosure of private information is a concern to ISPs as they are faced with parent/child relations. Maybe an effective solution to this matter would be to modify your terms-of-service to indicate that (1) accounts may not be opened by minors - i.e. parental consent is required; (2) accounts for which a parent and/or guardian has authorized use by a minor are subject to monitoring and/or disclosure of any account activity to the authorizing parent and/or guardian. It seems to me that such language would open the door for an ISP to turn over email to the parent upon request or even put a packet sniffer in place and pull passwords for places such as Facebook, MySpace, or Gmail. I know that this all sounds pretty big-brother like and I don't encourage active monitoring of customer activities. It's a fine line we walk between being supportive and being intrusive. - Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Ok granted I should have seen that response. I meant to phrase is in a business way, i failed. My point is that $corp liability will trump $random.person in most cases. It also was not about running of customers but about the liability of actions. The more mom pop like a company, the more likely they are to assist others (in pretty much all areas). On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: If YOU came to me about something your kid was doing on MY system *I* would try to help you out as much as I could. But then again, I'm not a mega corp either. To me your kid is more valuable than the money I'd loose by running off a few customers. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids My soon to be 4 and 7 yo boys have iMacs. They are locked down and just do not know about that stuff yet. I removed access to the web browser in the PSP cause the oldest found it. He does not know how to use it (or so I think). The best parents can do these days is be very proactive which you seam to be trying to do. I do not know the legalities of monitoring a kids device, i leave that up to parents and their lawyers. There are key loggers for pretty much everything out there, VPN's to make sure the data comes back to you first, and so on. Talk to your lawyer. If your child has access to these services from another location then I would assume access from there will or has been used. Find out if so and who owns it, you might be able to access much of that history from there. Also the great way back machine and google cache can often have copies of peoples pages. Talk with your lawyer. If I came to you and said your site had given access to my minor, how would your advisers tell you to respond? Likely to fluff me off as fast as possible to avoid any liability. It could take a simple request from a letter head to get them moving on it, or possibly real threat of legal action. Did I mention, talk to your lawyer. S/He will be the best source of information for correct surveilla^R^R parenting of digital children. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Yeah, funny, does not look like we are making much progress after 18 years does it. Maybe it has something to do with the love affair most in this industry have with focusing their plans over and over again on rigging up 802.11 products (vendors and WISPs alike) and proprietary systems instead of concentrating our buying and our building on outdoor, purpose-built standards like WiMAX which would allow us to mature as an industry. There is a reason why DSL and DOCSIS were created and supported by the telco and cable industries. They understand the importance of creating a mass market and standards based solution in order to drive their industry. The WISP industry seems to not understand this. John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
You've probably seen plenty of things on my FB that would make a father cringe. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:50 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids We use Bluecoat K9 and are very happy with it so far. My 14 and 13 year olds have Facebook accounts...under the condition that my wife and I are friended and have their passwords so that we can log in as them at any time. I found out that my son had a Google mail account a while back that he did not ask us for. We killed it. We have one home computer. It is a laptop and it stays in the main living areas. So far, I'm way ahead of the kids on technology and they know it. They believe that we can track anything they can do (and we can...to a point). We check up enough so that they know we are watching. I don't think that there is a perfect solution. If the kids are bound and determined to get to something they will do it. I tell kids that, before they hit send, they should think about what their post/text/email would look like on the front page of the NY Times (back when people read it!) above the fold. I've seen posts from my kids friend's on Facebook that make me cringe. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] surge/lightning protection
I've been using home runs from the CPE to the POE unit but considering using a demarc on the outside of the building for easier access. So, I figure I may as well put LP protection there while I'm at it. Anyone have a line on a good LP with ethernet access that will fit into a small enclosure? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
I see language occasionally, but nothing particularly dirty. I put those things in different categories. I am really surprised how many people use 4 letter words on f/b though. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids You've probably seen plenty of things on my FB that would make a father cringe. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:50 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids We use Bluecoat K9 and are very happy with it so far. My 14 and 13 year olds have Facebook accounts...under the condition that my wife and I are friended and have their passwords so that we can log in as them at any time. I found out that my son had a Google mail account a while back that he did not ask us for. We killed it. We have one home computer. It is a laptop and it stays in the main living areas. So far, I'm way ahead of the kids on technology and they know it. They believe that we can track anything they can do (and we can...to a point). We check up enough so that they know we are watching. I don't think that there is a perfect solution. If the kids are bound and determined to get to something they will do it. I tell kids that, before they hit send, they should think about what their post/text/email would look like on the front page of the NY Times (back when people read it!) above the fold. I've seen posts from my kids friend's on Facebook that make me cringe. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Great example? Apparently you haven't seen the pictures. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, I think the issues you have here are common ones wether or not computers, hotmail, myspace or facebook are involved. They are just parent child issues. I used to be a technology coordinator for a school district. If you place security software on the machines, it will be worked around in minutes. The best thing I ever did was remove all of the stuff blocking everything, turned all of the machines around so I could see all the screens in the classrooms from the position you were teaching from and then put out the word in a whisper campaign that The School Tech guy can see EVERYTHING! :) This also works in corp environments... a quick walk into the sheep-porn-surfing-CFOs office with a stern I see everything... and I mean everything stops that stuff cold! In my personal life (I still consider myself young) I found that trust between parent and kid was the best method. The best thing my mother did was sit down with me one day and just tell me some of the crazy (s**t)... er things she did when she was my age... After hearing of: -The occasional kegger in the woods with her girlfriends (pull '69 Lincoln into the beer warehouse, place kegs in back seat, fill back seat with ice, go to party...) -Dating and all the things that went on with that. -Dating my dad (stop mom, I don't want to hear that!!) -disagreements with her parents. -occasional trouble in school. -etc, etc, etc.. I really started being really open with my mother because I knew that the things I was doing (staying out late occasionally, hanging out with friends, the occasional bottle of Boones grape flavored wine...) were minor things that she had done and were not as shocking to her as I thought. Because she was open with me about the good decisions and the bad ones she made, I was open with her. This open communication allows me to ask her advice on _ANYTHING_ because she was, and is not, judging me. While I have not always taken her advice, it has helped me make decisions from my teenage years till now... Of course. As it should be, when I was doing something that my mother would think was 'bad' the guilt would make me stop... When my now 7 year old is a bit older, my wife and I have agreed to share all of our life experiences with her. Good or bad. Sometimes it helps to know your parents were not saints and did make mistakes. We hope she comes to us with her problems, not so we can judge her, but so we can offer her our advice. We hope she learns from our mistakes. I want her to be the kid that calls me when she is drunk at 17 to come pick her up, rather than driving home to hide the fact she is drunk. I want her to know that there will be A HELL OF ALOT MORE trouble if my fire pager goes off and I have to cut her out of her car in the middle of the night than there would be if she pukes in my back seat. DDD That was way too much information to give out on the list. I think I might need a new group-ther...@wispa.org list-serv! Good luck Marlon, from a former teenage domestic terrorist all I can say is I am pretty sure your kid will survive... and prosper... I mean, you are his dad and you are a great example to follow! I have to go now. I need to call my mom! :) ryan On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
What are some of the specifics that you came across. There are some known issues to watchout for... Best use the Ubiquiti Antenna's... The Panels have built in Electrical downtilt in them. There some strange issues with older firmware...5.1.2 seems to be more stable the previous ones. Depending on which units you were testing, there was a hardware issue discovered with the original shipment of Rocket M's and NanoM's which would cause an drastically different signal levels in the two chains (Hpol Vpol). Some folks have seen issues with Ethernet duplex mismatch ... Having said that, there are more Rocket M5 and NanoM5 which are running stable and great, than those who have discovered issues. The first shipments / batches of NanoBridgesM5 are going thru this cycle now... Jury is still out on any conclusive evidence.. UBNT have been very proactive in identifying issues, and working on fixing them including RMA's for known mfg. defects / issues. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:00 AM, RickG wrote: I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
I've went to using all AirGrids for my normal CPE installs, using the Nanos for esthetics where we don't want a more visible grid. They've worked great for us. I installed a 27dbi this past weekend that is 6 miles out and on the lower end of the Fresnel but after the 5.1.5 firmware it behaves nicely. Then again, I'm using mostly all UBNT sectors now as well. I just love the ease of the things as well as the price. Have you upgraded the firmware to the newest Beta? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
One of the real advantages I've found with K9 (and I'm sure just about any other service) is how it locks searches into the filtered mode. You can do the most innocent of searches and get some hard core stuff if the results are unfiltered. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids We taken the other route. My son got his own domain, he got his own e-mail for his domain. Allowed him a Facebook account he have to have us as friends and we know the password. I get a copy (unknown by him) of any e-mails going to his e-mail account. We had the talk about proper online behavior such as never to share contact information such as address and phone number. He got his own netbook and itouch used to be limited what he could do by a software but it had so much flaws we disabled it (windows account is a limited account so can't install software). The router (mikrotik) logs the addresses he is visiting thanks to webproxy setup. On the itouch he do not have setup so he can install programs himself but he will ask and so far only been one app we wouldn't install (comic reader that could access as adult type comics and explained to him why wouldn't allow that one but found another software that would allow comic access but without adult content). So far so good. Daughter also got her own netbook but still using the software on it and it works best for her for now because it simplifies things on it for her. We tried the other way around with the older kids and it didn't work to great to be honest and was why the webproxy got setup in the first place and wish that XP been the OS back then so we could have given them limited access to windows but that was back in the days of 98. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You!
Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?
If you are an IKANO reseller you can order a contract-less DSL to a nearby address but I would partner with one or more local businesses to use their Internet. Satellite will work so poorly nobody will use the service and it's rediculously expensive. Set up a SilverLining account and use these: http://www.silverliningnetworks.com/store/. These mesh repeaters are ISP-agnostic allowing you to use any ISP yet run from a single account and they are cheap enough you can springle them around. Alternately you could use any device router capable of supporting OpenWRT flashed with SilverLining's version. With this setup you can provide free ad-supported WiFi and paid ad-free wifi on a temporary basis, show how well it works, and possibly sell some networks to some downtown associations, or Cities. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hooper Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet? Hello, I'm trying to provide wireless Internet to a local festival this summer. My plan is to set up temporary APs as there isn't any coverage in that area already. I don't have any towers in the area (or any at all) so my thoughts are that I would have to talk some local building owners into letting me put some small antennas on their roof. Do you have any tips for negotiating these kinds of deals? Alternatively, I've seen a few people mention using satellite Internet; I'm wondering who you all use? I've been planning on needing 5Mbps connectivity. Are there other alternatives for what I'm trying to do? Thanks in advance, Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
That's because the WiMAX vendors want more to deliver less. No WiMAX for me until APs are $500, CPE are $150, and deliver over 50 megabits of capacity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:03 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Yeah, funny, does not look like we are making much progress after 18 years does it. Maybe it has something to do with the love affair most in this industry have with focusing their plans over and over again on rigging up 802.11 products (vendors and WISPs alike) and proprietary systems instead of concentrating our buying and our building on outdoor, purpose-built standards like WiMAX which would allow us to mature as an industry. There is a reason why DSL and DOCSIS were created and supported by the telco and cable industries. They understand the importance of creating a mass market and standards based solution in order to drive their industry. The WISP industry seems to not understand this. John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Ok I've been watching this thread since its beginning and I have to say it now, ..Come on over to myspace, twitter my yahoo, till I google on your facebook Lol :) Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids You've probably seen plenty of things on my FB that would make a father cringe. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:50 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids We use Bluecoat K9 and are very happy with it so far. My 14 and 13 year olds have Facebook accounts...under the condition that my wife and I are friended and have their passwords so that we can log in as them at any time. I found out that my son had a Google mail account a while back that he did not ask us for. We killed it. We have one home computer. It is a laptop and it stays in the main living areas. So far, I'm way ahead of the kids on technology and they know it. They believe that we can track anything they can do (and we can...to a point). We check up enough so that they know we are watching. I don't think that there is a perfect solution. If the kids are bound and determined to get to something they will do it. I tell kids that, before they hit send, they should think about what their post/text/email would look like on the front page of the NY Times (back when people read it!) above the fold. I've seen posts from my kids friend's on Facebook that make me cringe. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I*
Re: [WISPA] Can you get an STD from Ubiquiti Equipment?
How could they get damaged? They use this to transport them from Asia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawler-transporter ryan On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Would you rather something get damaged in shipping? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 6:24 PM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: Do they really need to wrap every, single part?!?!?!? Two packages of screws are wrapped and place in another bag that also holds the mounting clamps. RocketDishes have the large bolts covered and wrapped, placed in plastic and zip tied. I've seen food with less sanitary methods. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a sports car with all flat tires :) There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the bad/defective units Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce the power, little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on the two chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same signal level or off by a couple of db's.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote: Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets,low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
Pay attention to your cable runs as well. That 5v PoE sucks, I've been using variable voltage adapters into a power injector and adjust the voltage depending on how it's acting. Sometimes, if the voltage is on the low side for the cable run, the unit will power up but act stupid but if I hit it with another volt or 2 it behaves. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
5V is only an issue with the Airgridsthe others (Rockets and Nanos ) are using 24v or 15v power supplies. And yes, if you are using the Airgirds, pay attention to the cable run Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:41 AM, Robert West wrote: Pay attention to your cable runs as well. That 5v PoE sucks, I've been using variable voltage adapters into a power injector and adjust the voltage depending on how it's acting. Sometimes, if the voltage is on the low side for the cable run, the unit will power up but act stupid but if I hit it with another volt or 2 it behaves. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets,low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand
I have not had a chance to get field experience with the Canopy 430. I have a few areas I would like to use it, but am afraid to destroy the frequency of some of my other 5Ghz backhauls. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand Hi Chuck, Do you have any field review/ deployment info comparison of the new Canopy 430 ? I would love to hear some comparison info.. Thanks Faisal. On 4/13/2010 10:06 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: This is what I am in the process of doing now. We have another 200 subs to be converted next month. Then another 100 subs after that. Not only is it a multiple truck roll incident, but I already paid for the MikroTik gear...and now am replacing customer equipment with Canopy. ROI just got extended an additional 6 months. We just replaced a complete Trango 900 AP with Canopy 900. Performance is just better and it scales. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand Hi, Let's keep it simple and easy. With Canopy your system can scale infinitely (due to GPS sync) and latency is always very low and consistent (less than 10ms). With UBNT, you can build a system much cheaper, and one that will probably work in a small, rural area. However, it does not scale. So, the question you have to ask is: Will your network ever grow to the size that you run out of channels? On a single tower, there are roughly six legal channels in the 5.8ghz band (using 20mhz channel size). None of the other channels are legal with UBNT gear. So you have 6 channels to use for your entire network, and you can't co-locate near adjacent channels, and you can't have two AP's on different towers facing each other on the same channel. The problem we made on our network was trying to use Mikrotik for PtMP deployments and discovering that it doesn't scale. We ended up having to go to every customer we had installed on two big towers and change them out to Canopy. So we had to roll a truck twice. :( Travis Microserv Glenn Kelley wrote: In trying to make the right buying decision - some simple answers may help. 1. What is the meantime failure rate for your ubiquity equipment 2. What is the avg amount of truck rolls per week you run to fix an issue vs the # of customers you have? ie- if you have say 1500 clients and do 8 troubleshooting calls a week then it would be 1500/8 = .0053% ) 3. how often does a tech call come in (w/o a truck roll) that is equipment related... For some reason I think some of the ubiquity radios just need a power cycle and voila - they behave much better... so - what is the average # of calls per total clients that come in that are fixed w/ simple methods vs a truck roll for the ubiquity users ... Moto Users - do you have this info as well: Reason I ask is because I am wondering - if the cost of Moto is actually worth it... as a smaller operator - this information would be most beneficial for sure. Buying a Moto radio - even if 2 or 3 times the $$ if - the service calls on the back side are much less - might be worth it. Perhaps the cost of Radio vs People (both in manpower as well as client satisfaction for uptime) make the buying decision much easier... but having some numbers to go along with this would be great. Thanks -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
I was referring to the 10 pack of 27dbi Rick said he couldn't get to work correctly. But yes, the others are doing 15v and 24v, however, from the recommendation of UBNT, 24V is what should be used now, not the 15V. They've had some issues with the 15V not providing enough power even on short runs. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today 5V is only an issue with the Airgridsthe others (Rockets and Nanos ) are using 24v or 15v power supplies. And yes, if you are using the Airgirds, pay attention to the cable run Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:41 AM, Robert West wrote: Pay attention to your cable runs as well. That 5v PoE sucks, I've been using variable voltage adapters into a power injector and adjust the voltage depending on how it's acting. Sometimes, if the voltage is on the low side for the cable run, the unit will power up but act stupid but if I hit it with another volt or 2 it behaves. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets,low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
It's all getting a bit confusing... I thought it was Forbes who had purchased the 10packs of Airgrids and Nanobridges... To the best of my short re-collection, Rick G has not stated what model of M units he was/ is testing... Regardless, Robert you are correct about the power supplies... Faisal On 4/14/2010 11:52 AM, Robert West wrote: I was referring to the 10 pack of 27dbi Rick said he couldn't get to work correctly. But yes, the others are doing 15v and 24v, however, from the recommendation of UBNT, 24V is what should be used now, not the 15V. They've had some issues with the 15V not providing enough power even on short runs. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today 5V is only an issue with the Airgridsthe others (Rockets and Nanos ) are using 24v or 15v power supplies. And yes, if you are using the Airgirds, pay attention to the cable run Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:41 AM, Robert West wrote: Pay attention to your cable runs as well. That 5v PoE sucks, I've been using variable voltage adapters into a power injector and adjust the voltage depending on how it's acting. Sometimes, if the voltage is on the low side for the cable run, the unit will power up but act stupid but if I hit it with another volt or 2 it behaves. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
You correct, my error. It was Forbes with the AirGrids. Sometimes multi-tasking isn't easy! :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today It's all getting a bit confusing... I thought it was Forbes who had purchased the 10packs of Airgrids and Nanobridges... To the best of my short re-collection, Rick G has not stated what model of M units he was/ is testing... Regardless, Robert you are correct about the power supplies... Faisal On 4/14/2010 11:52 AM, Robert West wrote: I was referring to the 10 pack of 27dbi Rick said he couldn't get to work correctly. But yes, the others are doing 15v and 24v, however, from the recommendation of UBNT, 24V is what should be used now, not the 15V. They've had some issues with the 15V not providing enough power even on short runs. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today 5V is only an issue with the Airgridsthe others (Rockets and Nanos ) are using 24v or 15v power supplies. And yes, if you are using the Airgirds, pay attention to the cable run Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:41 AM, Robert West wrote: Pay attention to your cable runs as well. That 5v PoE sucks, I've been using variable voltage adapters into a power injector and adjust the voltage depending on how it's acting. Sometimes, if the voltage is on the low side for the cable run, the unit will power up but act stupid but if I hit it with another volt or 2 it behaves. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Marlon, thats right and this is a major issue with our society today - everyone is claiming to be watching out for our kids but nobody really is. Do it for the kids has been the social motto for years now but when you look at the things being done (or not) it makes your head swim. I'm not a lawyer, but I dont see any reason that ANY parent shouldnt have access to ANY and ALL information regarding their minor children who they are responsible for. Yet, there is a trend of protecting childrens rights trampling over the parent/child relationship. Marlon and all parents, you are wise to concerned. Nobody cares about your kids more than you. I'll go even further that never before has there been more evil towards our children than now. We need to call out these people who support this behavior. off soapbox On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: If YOU came to me about something your kid was doing on MY system *I* would try to help you out as much as I could. But then again, I'm not a mega corp either. To me your kid is more valuable than the money I'd loose by running off a few customers. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids My soon to be 4 and 7 yo boys have iMacs. They are locked down and just do not know about that stuff yet. I removed access to the web browser in the PSP cause the oldest found it. He does not know how to use it (or so I think). The best parents can do these days is be very proactive which you seam to be trying to do. I do not know the legalities of monitoring a kids device, i leave that up to parents and their lawyers. There are key loggers for pretty much everything out there, VPN's to make sure the data comes back to you first, and so on. Talk to your lawyer. If your child has access to these services from another location then I would assume access from there will or has been used. Find out if so and who owns it, you might be able to access much of that history from there. Also the great way back machine and google cache can often have copies of peoples pages. Talk with your lawyer. If I came to you and said your site had given access to my minor, how would your advisers tell you to respond? Likely to fluff me off as fast as possible to avoid any liability. It could take a simple request from a letter head to get them moving on it, or possibly real threat of legal action. Did I mention, talk to your lawyer. S/He will be the best source of information for correct surveilla^R^R parenting of digital children. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Can you get an STD from Ubiquiti Equipment?
LOL! That's why they called them Rockets! On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: How could they get damaged? They use this to transport them from Asia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawler-transporter ryan On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Would you rather something get damaged in shipping? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 6:24 PM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: Do they really need to wrap every, single part?!?!?!? Two packages of screws are wrapped and place in another bag that also holds the mounting clamps. RocketDishes have the large bolts covered and wrapped, placed in plastic and zip tied. I've seen food with less sanitary methods. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
Sorry, I want clear. Thats what I get for hijacking the thread :) I'm not using Rockets - just plain old Bullets Nanos with regular antennas. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a sports car with all flat tires :) There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the bad/defective units Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce the power, little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on the two chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same signal level or off by a couple of db's.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote: Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
. NanoM ? or just plain Nano ? I have no experience with the plain Nano, but would suggest that you visit the UBNT forum and do a bit of pokeing arround, would not be surprised if there were firmware related issues... My playing has only been with the M grear. Their 2x2 MIMO M grear is a very different animal... After having experienced the affects of MIMO in the 802.11n , indoors with Ruckus Wireless and now outdoors with the Ubiquity M stuff... it is hard to go back and consider 802.11 a/b/g gear... knowing fully well that 802.11'n from Ubiquity is 'work in progress'... It is like getting hooked on fishing... even a 'bad day' of fishing is better that a great day at the office :) I cannot wait to see more mfg. come out with 802.11n gear, with reasonable pricing ...since, in my personal opinion each of the mfg. have their own solid niche points.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 12:09 PM, RickG wrote: Sorry, I want clear. Thats what I get for hijacking the thread :) I'm not using Rockets - just plain old Bullets Nanos with regular antennas. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net wrote: ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a sports car with all flat tires :) There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the bad/defective units Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce the power, little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on the two chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same signal level or off by a couple of db's.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote: Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.comwrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
Holy crapwhere do I get one of those. That is one hell of a link you have there. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Do you mean like this? Notice the rssi on the lower pic. These are two NS5Ms setup as a backhaul. I was assuming the rssi is being wrongly reported since the TX/RX is 162/162. If the rssi was for real wouldn't one chain be reporting a very low connection speed, right? I'm getting 162Mbps on both directions. This is one end of backhaul, this NS5M running station wds: rssi -51/-56 This is the other NS5M running ap wds: rssi -51/-94 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a sports car with all flat tires :) There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the bad/defective units Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce the power, little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on the two chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same signal level or off by a couple of db's.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote: Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets,low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
Damn! Distance? Whats the actual TCP/IP throughput on that? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Do you mean like this? Notice the rssi on the lower pic. These are two NS5Ms setup as a backhaul. I was assuming the rssi is being wrongly reported since the TX/RX is 162/162. If the rssi was for real wouldn't one chain be reporting a very low connection speed, right? I'm getting 162Mbps on both directions. This is one end of backhaul, this NS5M running station wds: rssi -51/-56 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
Wish I could get speeds like that :) Have a pair of NS2Ms set up right on on a P2P link to bridge between a DOCSIS modem in a power supply cabinet to an employee that lives 3/4 mi away LoS and can barely keep it up to 13 meg up/down... Running the latest Beta... Doesn't help the noise floor bounces around -85 to -80 all day long (I can see 26 different consumer routers from both sides of the link) from the nearby subdivision... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.comwrote: Holy crapwhere do I get one of those. That is one hell of a link you have there. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Do you mean like this? Notice the rssi on the lower pic. These are two NS5Ms setup as a backhaul. I was assuming the rssi is being wrongly reported since the TX/RX is 162/162. If the rssi was for real wouldn't one chain be reporting a very low connection speed, right? I'm getting 162Mbps on both directions. This is one end of backhaul, this NS5M running station wds: rssi -51/-56 This is the other NS5M running ap wds: rssi -51/-94 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a sports car with all flat tires :) There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the bad/defective units Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce the power, little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on the two chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same signal level or off by a couple of db's.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote: Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets,low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
Two suggestions... Upgrade to the beta firmware and see if it helps other... consider doing NS5M, if 2.4 is crowded... Faisal. On 4/14/2010 1:08 PM, AJ wrote: Wish I could get speeds like that :) Have a pair of NS2Ms set up right on on a P2P link to bridge between a DOCSIS modem in a power supply cabinet to an employee that lives 3/4 mi away LoS and can barely keep it up to 13 meg up/down... Running the latest Beta... Doesn't help the noise floor bounces around -85 to -80 all day long (I can see 26 different consumer routers from both sides of the link) from the nearby subdivision... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Joe Millerjoe.mil...@dslbyair.comwrote: Holy crapwhere do I get one of those. That is one hell of a link you have there. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnenos10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Do you mean like this? Notice the rssi on the lower pic. These are two NS5Ms setup as a backhaul. I was assuming the rssi is being wrongly reported since the TX/RX is 162/162. If the rssi was for real wouldn't one chain be reporting a very low connection speed, right? I'm getting 162Mbps on both directions. This is one end of backhaul, this NS5M running station wds: rssi -51/-56 This is the other NS5M running ap wds: rssi -51/-94 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a sports car with all flat tires :) There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the bad/defective units Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce the power, little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on the two chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same signal level or off by a couple of db's.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote: Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
Yes, something like this... but in conjunction to the different RSSI, you would also see a disparity in the TX/RX link. reducing the power would end up exaggerating the difference.. Your units don't appear to have this problem... you also are running it rather hot at -50 :) You might consider turning down the power a bit :) How far apart are these two units and what is the firmware you are using.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 12:59 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: Do you mean like this? Notice the rssi on the lower pic. These are two NS5Ms setup as a backhaul. I was assuming the rssi is being wrongly reported since the TX/RX is 162/162. If the rssi was for real wouldn't one chain be reporting a very low connection speed, right? I'm getting 162Mbps on both directions. This is one end of backhaul, this NS5M running station wds: rssi -51/-56 This is the other NS5M running ap wds: rssi -51/-94 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a sports car with all flat tires :) There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the bad/defective units Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce the power, little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on the two chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same signal level or off by a couple of db's.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote: Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
http://ubnt.com/nanostationm http://ubnt.com/bulletm I wanna get hooked too. I'm gonna drop UBNT for something else if they dont improve soon. Thanks! -RickG On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: . NanoM ? or just plain Nano ? I have no experience with the plain Nano, but would suggest that you visit the UBNT forum and do a bit of pokeing arround, would not be surprised if there were firmware related issues... My playing has only been with the M grear. Their 2x2 MIMO M grear is a very different animal... After having experienced the affects of MIMO in the 802.11n , indoors with Ruckus Wireless and now outdoors with the Ubiquity M stuff... it is hard to go back and consider 802.11 a/b/g gear... knowing fully well that 802.11'n from Ubiquity is 'work in progress'... It is like getting hooked on fishing... even a 'bad day' of fishing is better that a great day at the office :) I cannot wait to see more mfg. come out with 802.11n gear, with reasonable pricing ...since, in my personal opinion each of the mfg. have their own solid niche points.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 12:09 PM, RickG wrote: Sorry, I want clear. Thats what I get for hijacking the thread :) I'm not using Rockets - just plain old Bullets Nanos with regular antennas. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net wrote: ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a sports car with all flat tires :) There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the bad/defective units Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce the power, little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on the two chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same signal level or off by a couple of db's.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote: Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
I'm on the latest beta firmware... And swapping out $200 worth of gear to play on another band is frustrating... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote: Two suggestions... Upgrade to the beta firmware and see if it helps other... consider doing NS5M, if 2.4 is crowded... Faisal. On 4/14/2010 1:08 PM, AJ wrote: Wish I could get speeds like that :) Have a pair of NS2Ms set up right on on a P2P link to bridge between a DOCSIS modem in a power supply cabinet to an employee that lives 3/4 mi away LoS and can barely keep it up to 13 meg up/down... Running the latest Beta... Doesn't help the noise floor bounces around -85 to -80 all day long (I can see 26 different consumer routers from both sides of the link) from the nearby subdivision... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Joe Millerjoe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Holy crapwhere do I get one of those. That is one hell of a link you have there. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnenos10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Do you mean like this? Notice the rssi on the lower pic. These are two NS5Ms setup as a backhaul. I was assuming the rssi is being wrongly reported since the TX/RX is 162/162. If the rssi was for real wouldn't one chain be reporting a very low connection speed, right? I'm getting 162Mbps on both directions. This is one end of backhaul, this NS5M running station wds: rssi -51/-56 This is the other NS5M running ap wds: rssi -51/-94 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a sports car with all flat tires :) There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the bad/defective units Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce the power, little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on the two chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same signal level or off by a couple of db's.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote: Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
...And swapping out $200 worth of gear to play on another band is frustrating... But isn't this what the WISP's live for ! :) Comes with the territory. next time if you feel better about swapping out $2000 worth of equipment, call me... I will sell you the NS2M for $1000 each... LOL !! Faisal. On 4/14/2010 1:24 PM, AJ wrote: I'm on the latest beta firmware... And swapping out $200 worth of gear to play on another band is frustrating... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.netwrote: Two suggestions... Upgrade to the beta firmware and see if it helps other... consider doing NS5M, if 2.4 is crowded... Faisal. On 4/14/2010 1:08 PM, AJ wrote: Wish I could get speeds like that :) Have a pair of NS2Ms set up right on on a P2P link to bridge between a DOCSIS modem in a power supply cabinet to an employee that lives 3/4 mi away LoS and can barely keep it up to 13 meg up/down... Running the latest Beta... Doesn't help the noise floor bounces around -85 to -80 all day long (I can see 26 different consumer routers from both sides of the link) from the nearby subdivision... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Joe Millerjoe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Holy crapwhere do I get one of those. That is one hell of a link you have there. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnenos10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Do you mean like this? Notice the rssi on the lower pic. These are two NS5Ms setup as a backhaul. I was assuming the rssi is being wrongly reported since the TX/RX is 162/162. If the rssi was for real wouldn't one chain be reporting a very low connection speed, right? I'm getting 162Mbps on both directions. This is one end of backhaul, this NS5M running station wds: rssi -51/-56 This is the other NS5M running ap wds: rssi -51/-94 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a sports car with all flat tires :) There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the bad/defective units Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce the power, little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on the two chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same signal level or off by a couple of db's.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote: Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
. Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . :) Faisal On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
LOL... We're not exactly a WISP... Just looking for a cheaper solution than running 8000' of fiber to serve a single customer (free customer at that lol)... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote: ...And swapping out $200 worth of gear to play on another band is frustrating... But isn't this what the WISP's live for ! :) Comes with the territory. next time if you feel better about swapping out $2000 worth of equipment, call me... I will sell you the NS2M for $1000 each... LOL !! Faisal. On 4/14/2010 1:24 PM, AJ wrote: I'm on the latest beta firmware... And swapping out $200 worth of gear to play on another band is frustrating... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Two suggestions... Upgrade to the beta firmware and see if it helps other... consider doing NS5M, if 2.4 is crowded... Faisal. On 4/14/2010 1:08 PM, AJ wrote: Wish I could get speeds like that :) Have a pair of NS2Ms set up right on on a P2P link to bridge between a DOCSIS modem in a power supply cabinet to an employee that lives 3/4 mi away LoS and can barely keep it up to 13 meg up/down... Running the latest Beta... Doesn't help the noise floor bounces around -85 to -80 all day long (I can see 26 different consumer routers from both sides of the link) from the nearby subdivision... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Joe Millerjoe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Holy crapwhere do I get one of those. That is one hell of a link you have there. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnenos10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Do you mean like this? Notice the rssi on the lower pic. These are two NS5Ms setup as a backhaul. I was assuming the rssi is being wrongly reported since the TX/RX is 162/162. If the rssi was for real wouldn't one chain be reporting a very low connection speed, right? I'm getting 162Mbps on both directions. This is one end of backhaul, this NS5M running station wds: rssi -51/-56 This is the other NS5M running ap wds: rssi -51/-94 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a sports car with all flat tires :) There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the bad/defective units Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce the power, little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on the two chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same signal level or off by a couple of db's.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote: Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
MPLS/VPLS Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use . Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . :) Faisal On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
Looks like my images got stripped out. Here's links to the images. The distance is only about 500 or 600 yards, that's why I have the transmit power turned way down. Do you mean like this? Notice the rssi on the lower pic. These are two NS5Ms setup as a backhaul. I was assuming the rssi is being wrongly reported since the TX/RX is 162/162. If the rssi was for real wouldn't one chain be reporting a very low connection speed, right? I'm getting 162Mbps on both directions. This is one end of backhaul, this NS5M running station wds: rssi -51/-56 http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae288/takoateli/?action=viewcurrent=Screenshot2010-04-14at122054PM.png This is the other NS5M running ap wds: rssi -51/-94 http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae288/takoateli/?action=viewcurrent=Screenshot2010-04-14at121953PM.png On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a sports car with all flat tires :) There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the bad/defective units Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce the power, little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on the two chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same signal level or off by a couple of db's.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote: Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets,low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
If you are using the latest fw, use the airview spectrum analyzer to see your local noise Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today I'm on the latest beta firmware... And swapping out $200 worth of gear to play on another band is frustrating... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote: Two suggestions... Upgrade to the beta firmware and see if it helps other... consider doing NS5M, if 2.4 is crowded... Faisal. On 4/14/2010 1:08 PM, AJ wrote: Wish I could get speeds like that :) Have a pair of NS2Ms set up right on on a P2P link to bridge between a DOCSIS modem in a power supply cabinet to an employee that lives 3/4 mi away LoS and can barely keep it up to 13 meg up/down... Running the latest Beta... Doesn't help the noise floor bounces around -85 to -80 all day long (I can see 26 different consumer routers from both sides of the link) from the nearby subdivision... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Joe Millerjoe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Holy crapwhere do I get one of those. That is one hell of a link you have there. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnenos10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Do you mean like this? Notice the rssi on the lower pic. These are two NS5Ms setup as a backhaul. I was assuming the rssi is being wrongly reported since the TX/RX is 162/162. If the rssi was for real wouldn't one chain be reporting a very low connection speed, right? I'm getting 162Mbps on both directions. This is one end of backhaul, this NS5M running station wds: rssi -51/-56 This is the other NS5M running ap wds: rssi -51/-94 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a sports car with all flat tires :) There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the bad/defective units Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce the power, little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on the two chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same signal level or off by a couple of db's.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote: Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
Opinion #1. Anybody with large bridged systems? - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use . Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . :) Faisal On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
You can also 'swap' them out for Ruckus Wireless Outdoor PTP 'n' Radios.. http://www.ruckuswireless.com/products/zoneflex-high-end/7731 More about $2-2.5K for a pair Faisal. On 4/14/2010 1:35 PM, AJ wrote: LOL... We're not exactly a WISP... Just looking for a cheaper solution than running 8000' of fiber to serve a single customer (free customer at that lol)... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.netwrote: ...And swapping out $200 worth of gear to play on another band is frustrating... But isn't this what the WISP's live for ! :) Comes with the territory. next time if you feel better about swapping out $2000 worth of equipment, call me... I will sell you the NS2M for $1000 each... LOL !! Faisal. On 4/14/2010 1:24 PM, AJ wrote: I'm on the latest beta firmware... And swapping out $200 worth of gear to play on another band is frustrating... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Two suggestions... Upgrade to the beta firmware and see if it helps other... consider doing NS5M, if 2.4 is crowded... Faisal. On 4/14/2010 1:08 PM, AJ wrote: Wish I could get speeds like that :) Have a pair of NS2Ms set up right on on a P2P link to bridge between a DOCSIS modem in a power supply cabinet to an employee that lives 3/4 mi away LoS and can barely keep it up to 13 meg up/down... Running the latest Beta... Doesn't help the noise floor bounces around -85 to -80 all day long (I can see 26 different consumer routers from both sides of the link) from the nearby subdivision... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Joe Millerjoe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Holy crapwhere do I get one of those. That is one hell of a link you have there. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnenos10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Do you mean like this? Notice the rssi on the lower pic. These are two NS5Ms setup as a backhaul. I was assuming the rssi is being wrongly reported since the TX/RX is 162/162. If the rssi was for real wouldn't one chain be reporting a very low connection speed, right? I'm getting 162Mbps on both directions. This is one end of backhaul, this NS5M running station wds: rssi -51/-56 This is the other NS5M running ap wds: rssi -51/-94 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a sports car with all flat tires :) There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the bad/defective units Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce the power, little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on the two chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same signal level or off by a couple of db's.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote: Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
It's about 500 to 600 meters. The indicated throughput using the speed test tool from the web gui says 65Mbps both directions. But I like the 162 number better! : - ) Greg On Apr 14, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Damn! Distance? Whats the actual TCP/IP throughput on that? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Do you mean like this? Notice the rssi on the lower pic. These are two NS5Ms setup as a backhaul. I was assuming the rssi is being wrongly reported since the TX/RX is 162/162. If the rssi was for real wouldn't one chain be reporting a very low connection speed, right? I'm getting 162Mbps on both directions. This is one end of backhaul, this NS5M running station wds: rssi -51/-56 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
I'm in the Amazon jungle. Our only noise here is from the sun. Greg On Apr 14, 2010, at 12:38 PM, AJ wrote: Wish I could get speeds like that :) Have a pair of NS2Ms set up right on on a P2P link to bridge between a DOCSIS modem in a power supply cabinet to an employee that lives 3/4 mi away LoS and can barely keep it up to 13 meg up/down... Running the latest Beta... Doesn't help the noise floor bounces around -85 to -80 all day long (I can see 26 different consumer routers from both sides of the link) from the nearby subdivision... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.comwrote: Holy crapwhere do I get one of those. That is one hell of a link you have there. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Do you mean like this? Notice the rssi on the lower pic. These are two NS5Ms setup as a backhaul. I was assuming the rssi is being wrongly reported since the TX/RX is 162/162. If the rssi was for real wouldn't one chain be reporting a very low connection speed, right? I'm getting 162Mbps on both directions. This is one end of backhaul, this NS5M running station wds: rssi -51/-56 This is the other NS5M running ap wds: rssi -51/-94 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a sports car with all flat tires :) There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the bad/defective units Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce the power, little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on the two chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same signal level or off by a couple of db's.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote: Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets,low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
I'm running the latest beta. Distance is around 500 meters. I can drop the TX power another 20dbm and the rssi only goes down a few db. Right now I dropped it to 7dbm and the rssi only dropped to -55. I'd like to get to -65 but I'd have to skew the units and there's so many metal buildings here I'm sure I'd get all kinds of reflections. As it is there's all kinds of stuff in the fresnel zone. Greg On Apr 14, 2010, at 12:45 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Yes, something like this... but in conjunction to the different RSSI, you would also see a disparity in the TX/RX link. reducing the power would end up exaggerating the difference.. Your units don't appear to have this problem... you also are running it rather hot at -50 :) You might consider turning down the power a bit :) How far apart are these two units and what is the firmware you are using.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 12:59 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: Do you mean like this? Notice the rssi on the lower pic. These are two NS5Ms setup as a backhaul. I was assuming the rssi is being wrongly reported since the TX/RX is 162/162. If the rssi was for real wouldn't one chain be reporting a very low connection speed, right? I'm getting 162Mbps on both directions. This is one end of backhaul, this NS5M running station wds: rssi -51/-56 This is the other NS5M running ap wds: rssi -51/-94 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a sports car with all flat tires :) There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the bad/defective units Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce the power, little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on the two chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same signal level or off by a couple of db's.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote: Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
I didn't mean to sound short or rude with this last message. I mean no disrespect. I've been networking for 25 years... Novell servers, MS, IP networks, blah blah blah. It's just that I expected this response, but I want to INVITE other opinions. - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use Opinion #1. Anybody with large bridged systems? - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use . Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . :) Faisal On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
Bridge/VLAN can easily become a nightmare to manage. I have helped 5+ customers get away from this method...and their management of the network became easier. With VLAN's you are not minimizing the broadcast traffic and other potentials. This is also a small waste of wireless spectrum. The only acceptable bridging I would ever do is from client to ap, then route from there (some client devices don't do routing). I have about 2-300 clients in this method...and it is still a major pain in the ass trying to figure out who is who. We are probably going to move to PPPoE for those. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use Opinion #1. Anybody with large bridged systems? - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use . Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . :) Faisal On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
Go to the 5ghz version and you'll probably fly! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Wish I could get speeds like that :) Have a pair of NS2Ms set up right on on a P2P link to bridge between a DOCSIS modem in a power supply cabinet to an employee that lives 3/4 mi away LoS and can barely keep it up to 13 meg up/down... Running the latest Beta... Doesn't help the noise floor bounces around -85 to -80 all day long (I can see 26 different consumer routers from both sides of the link) from the nearby subdivision... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.comwrote: Holy crapwhere do I get one of those. That is one hell of a link you have there. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Do you mean like this? Notice the rssi on the lower pic. These are two NS5Ms setup as a backhaul. I was assuming the rssi is being wrongly reported since the TX/RX is 162/162. If the rssi was for real wouldn't one chain be reporting a very low connection speed, right? I'm getting 162Mbps on both directions. This is one end of backhaul, this NS5M running station wds: rssi -51/-56 This is the other NS5M running ap wds: rssi -51/-94 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a sports car with all flat tires :) There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the bad/defective units Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce the power, little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on the two chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same signal level or off by a couple of db's.. Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote: Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets,low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
We are primarily a PPPoE shop and run a bridged system for that reason. Each AP has it's own VLAN bridged back to the core. We've done this for many years without a single issue. We have different service offerings like VOIP, PPPoE, DHCP, PTPVPN and even extend our metro ethernet across our wireless network. VLAN's work great for this. -Eric On 4/14/2010 1:01 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I didn't mean to sound short or rude with this last message. I mean no disrespect. I've been networking for 25 years... Novell servers, MS, IP networks, blah blah blah. It's just that I expected this response, but I want to INVITE other opinions. - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Listsmarkl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use Opinion #1. Anybody with large bridged systems? - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use . Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . :) Faisal On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
Noisy... the M series are dual pol so they require both polarities to be clean Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Here is the upper portion of the band running Airview - it's roughly the same across the entire 2.3-2.7 band that the NS2M can scan, of course significantly higher centered on US channels 6 and 11... hopefully the PDF flows through correctly... View from the NS2M at the power supply cabinet (next to the subdivision) Site Survey Scanned Frequencies: 2.412GHz 2.417GHz 2.422GHz 2.427GHz 2.432GHz 2.437GHz 2.442GHz 2.447GHz 2.452GHz 2.457GHz 2.462GHz Scanning, please wait... MAC Address SSID Device Name Encryption Signal / Noise, dBm Frequency, GHz Channel 00:21:29:66:C6:D7 MadaWPA2 -63 / -82 2.412 1 00:23:EE:28:9B:D1 OurMaddieWPA -71 / -82 2.412 1 00:24:7B:04:FA:66 myqwest6245WPA -67 / -82 2.412 1 00:19:E4:4C:F9:49 HelloMotoWPA -56 / -82 2.412 1 00:18:84:81:A2:79 ASGARDWPA2 -76 / -84 2.427 4 00:19:7D:05:8A:28 My PS3WPA -75 / -85 2.437 6 00:21:D7:90:80:10 WPA2 -59 / -85 2.437 6 00:1C:FB:FD:CB:D0 qwestJONESWPA -74 / -84 2.447 8 00:12:17:62:58:69 HelloMoto2GWPA -68 / -85 2.462 11 00:15:A3:E5:15:70 Blacklab34WPA -58 / -85 2.462 11 00:1F:CA:26:F6:C6 WPA2 -20 / -85 2.462 11 00:21:D7:90:7C:E0 WPA2 -51 / -85 2.462 11 00:24:7B:14:D6:56 myqwest5589WPA -70 / -85 2.462 11 00:00:00:00:00:00 WEP -71 / -82 2.412 1 00:14:A5:30:06:5C MotorolaNONE -70 / -82 2.412 1 00:22:75:46:BB:D4 Belkin_N_Wireless_46bbd4NONE -72 / -85 2.432 5 00:21:29:95:3A:67 JohnNONE -81 / -85 2.437 6 00:21:00:5C:2D:35 HomeWEP -80 / -85 2.437 6 00:0C:41:96:68:AE linksysWEP -72 / -85 2.437 6 00:24:B2:76:6A:10 tmobile hotspotWEP -73 / -84 2.447 8 00:15:05:36:DA:8B ACTIONTECWEP -70 / -84 2.452 9 00:24:7B:35:A1:54 myqwest4705WEP -63 / -85 2.462 11 00:00:00:00:00:00 WEP -62 / -85 2.462 11 00:14:6C:94:B6:00 BarbaraNONE -71 / -85 2.462 11 Scan from the remote employee's house facing the 2 new subdivisions: Site Survey Scanned Frequencies: 2.412GHz 2.417GHz 2.422GHz 2.427GHz 2.432GHz 2.437GHz 2.442GHz 2.447GHz 2.452GHz 2.457GHz 2.462GHz Scanning, please wait... MAC Address SSID Device Name Encryption Signal / Noise, dBm Frequency, GHz Channel 00:1B:5B:99:09:A1 OliverWPA -71 / -83 2.412 1 00:1E:E5:FA:89:97 Less work for meWPA2 -75 / -83 2.412 1 00:17:3F:57:53:B0 RevelationWPA -60 / -83 2.437 6 00:22:3F:65:D9:6A MotoxChrisWPA -60 / -83 2.437 6 00:21:D7:90:80:10 WPA2 -61 / -83 2.437 6 00:22:3F:A6:E7:85 NETGEARWPA -65 / -81 2.417 2 00:15:6D:FA:63:85 UBNT-AP UBNT-AP WPA2 -62 / -85 2.452 9 00:23:EE:28:9B:D1 OurMaddieWPA -78 / -83 2.412 1 00:18:F8:B8:AB:86 19darne57WEP -77 / -83 2.437 6 00:16:B6:45:69:4D RalphsWEP -71 / -83 2.437 6 00:13:10:69:BE:A8 linksysNONE -76 / -85 2.422 3 00:21:29:95:3A:67 JohnNONE -72 / -83 2.437 6 On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: If you are using the latest fw, use the airview spectrum analyzer to see your local noise Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today I'm on the latest beta firmware... And swapping out $200 worth of gear to play on another band is frustrating... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote: Two suggestions... Upgrade to the beta firmware and see if it helps other... consider doing NS5M, if 2.4 is crowded... Faisal. On 4/14/2010 1:08 PM, AJ wrote: Wish I could get speeds like that :) Have a pair of NS2Ms set up right on on a P2P link to bridge between a DOCSIS modem in a power supply cabinet to an employee that lives 3/4 mi away LoS and can barely keep it up to 13 meg up/down... Running the latest Beta... Doesn't help the noise floor bounces around -85 to -80 all day long (I can see 26 different consumer routers from both sides of the link) from the nearby subdivision... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Joe Millerjoe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Holy crapwhere do I get one of those. That is one hell of a link you have there. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnenos10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:59 AM Subject: Re:
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
Hey AJ. I am curious. Turn on Airmax. Reduce Channel size to 10mhz or 5mhz And see if things improve... Faisal. On 4/14/2010 2:09 PM, AJ wrote: Here is the upper portion of the band running Airview - it's roughly the same across the entire 2.3-2.7 band that the NS2M can scan, of course significantly higher centered on US channels 6 and 11... hopefully the PDF flows through correctly... View from the NS2M at the power supply cabinet (next to the subdivision) Site Survey Scanned Frequencies: 2.412GHz 2.417GHz 2.422GHz 2.427GHz 2.432GHz 2.437GHz 2.442GHz 2.447GHz 2.452GHz 2.457GHz 2.462GHz Scanning, please wait... MAC Address SSID Device Name Encryption Signal / Noise, dBm Frequency, GHz Channel 00:21:29:66:C6:D7 MadaWPA2 -63 / -82 2.412 1 00:23:EE:28:9B:D1 OurMaddieWPA -71 / -82 2.412 1 00:24:7B:04:FA:66 myqwest6245WPA -67 / -82 2.412 1 00:19:E4:4C:F9:49 HelloMotoWPA -56 / -82 2.412 1 00:18:84:81:A2:79 ASGARDWPA2 -76 / -84 2.427 4 00:19:7D:05:8A:28 My PS3WPA -75 / -85 2.437 6 00:21:D7:90:80:10 WPA2 -59 / -85 2.437 6 00:1C:FB:FD:CB:D0 qwestJONESWPA -74 / -84 2.447 8 00:12:17:62:58:69 HelloMoto2GWPA -68 / -85 2.462 11 00:15:A3:E5:15:70 Blacklab34WPA -58 / -85 2.462 11 00:1F:CA:26:F6:C6 WPA2 -20 / -85 2.462 11 00:21:D7:90:7C:E0 WPA2 -51 / -85 2.462 11 00:24:7B:14:D6:56 myqwest5589WPA -70 / -85 2.462 11 00:00:00:00:00:00 WEP -71 / -82 2.412 1 00:14:A5:30:06:5C MotorolaNONE -70 / -82 2.412 1 00:22:75:46:BB:D4 Belkin_N_Wireless_46bbd4NONE -72 / -85 2.432 5 00:21:29:95:3A:67 JohnNONE -81 / -85 2.437 6 00:21:00:5C:2D:35 HomeWEP -80 / -85 2.437 6 00:0C:41:96:68:AE linksysWEP -72 / -85 2.437 6 00:24:B2:76:6A:10 tmobile hotspotWEP -73 / -84 2.447 8 00:15:05:36:DA:8B ACTIONTECWEP -70 / -84 2.452 9 00:24:7B:35:A1:54 myqwest4705WEP -63 / -85 2.462 11 00:00:00:00:00:00 WEP -62 / -85 2.462 11 00:14:6C:94:B6:00 BarbaraNONE -71 / -85 2.462 11 Scan from the remote employee's house facing the 2 new subdivisions: Site Survey Scanned Frequencies: 2.412GHz 2.417GHz 2.422GHz 2.427GHz 2.432GHz 2.437GHz 2.442GHz 2.447GHz 2.452GHz 2.457GHz 2.462GHz Scanning, please wait... MAC Address SSID Device Name Encryption Signal / Noise, dBm Frequency, GHz Channel 00:1B:5B:99:09:A1 OliverWPA -71 / -83 2.412 1 00:1E:E5:FA:89:97 Less work for meWPA2 -75 / -83 2.412 1 00:17:3F:57:53:B0 RevelationWPA -60 / -83 2.437 6 00:22:3F:65:D9:6A MotoxChrisWPA -60 / -83 2.437 6 00:21:D7:90:80:10 WPA2 -61 / -83 2.437 6 00:22:3F:A6:E7:85 NETGEARWPA -65 / -81 2.417 2 00:15:6D:FA:63:85 UBNT-AP UBNT-AP WPA2 -62 / -85 2.452 9 00:23:EE:28:9B:D1 OurMaddieWPA -78 / -83 2.412 1 00:18:F8:B8:AB:86 19darne57WEP -77 / -83 2.437 6 00:16:B6:45:69:4D RalphsWEP -71 / -83 2.437 6 00:13:10:69:BE:A8 linksysNONE -76 / -85 2.422 3 00:21:29:95:3A:67 JohnNONE -72 / -83 2.437 6 On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Gino Villarinig...@aeronetpr.com wrote: If you are using the latest fw, use the airview spectrum analyzer to see your local noise Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today I'm on the latest beta firmware... And swapping out $200 worth of gear to play on another band is frustrating... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote: Two suggestions... Upgrade to the beta firmware and see if it helps other... consider doing NS5M, if 2.4 is crowded... Faisal. On 4/14/2010 1:08 PM, AJ wrote: Wish I could get speeds like that :) Have a pair of NS2Ms set up right on on a P2P link to bridge between a DOCSIS modem in a power supply cabinet to an employee that lives 3/4 mi away LoS and can barely keep it up to 13 meg up/down... Running the latest Beta... Doesn't help the noise floor bounces around -85 to -80 all day long (I can see 26 different consumer routers from both sides of the link) from the nearby subdivision... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Joe Millerjoe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Holy crapwhere do I get one of those. That is one hell of a link you have there. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnenos10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
Eric, how many clients / tower sites / APs are you serving this way? Do you expect it to scale to double/triple your size now? - Original Message - From: Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use We are primarily a PPPoE shop and run a bridged system for that reason. Each AP has it's own VLAN bridged back to the core. We've done this for many years without a single issue. We have different service offerings like VOIP, PPPoE, DHCP, PTPVPN and even extend our metro ethernet across our wireless network. VLAN's work great for this. -Eric On 4/14/2010 1:01 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I didn't mean to sound short or rude with this last message. I mean no disrespect. I've been networking for 25 years... Novell servers, MS, IP networks, blah blah blah. It's just that I expected this response, but I want to INVITE other opinions. - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Listsmarkl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use Opinion #1. Anybody with large bridged systems? - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use . Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . :) Faisal On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
Current stable setup is Airmax on, 10 Mhz channel, freq 2417 (channel 2). Noise floor varies -96 to -83 dBm Signal RX from station -59 to -67 TX/RX 13 Mbps CCQ 100% Speedtest shows 2.88 Mbps RX, 1.94 Mbps TX Airmax turned off Noise floor varies -96 to -85 dBm Signal RX from station -60 ACK 51 TX/RX 13 MBps CCQ 100% Speedtest shows 2.66 Mbps RX, 3.26 Mbps TX Changed both stations to 1 mile/Auto ACK and now sitting stable at about 3.0 Mbps TX/RX after half dozen tests... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote: Hey AJ. I am curious. Turn on Airmax. Reduce Channel size to 10mhz or 5mhz And see if things improve... Faisal. On 4/14/2010 2:09 PM, AJ wrote: Here is the upper portion of the band running Airview - it's roughly the same across the entire 2.3-2.7 band that the NS2M can scan, of course significantly higher centered on US channels 6 and 11... hopefully the PDF flows through correctly... View from the NS2M at the power supply cabinet (next to the subdivision) Site Survey Scanned Frequencies: 2.412GHz 2.417GHz 2.422GHz 2.427GHz 2.432GHz 2.437GHz 2.442GHz 2.447GHz 2.452GHz 2.457GHz 2.462GHz Scanning, please wait... MAC Address SSID Device Name Encryption Signal / Noise, dBm Frequency, GHz Channel 00:21:29:66:C6:D7 MadaWPA2 -63 / -82 2.412 1 00:23:EE:28:9B:D1 OurMaddieWPA -71 / -82 2.412 1 00:24:7B:04:FA:66 myqwest6245WPA -67 / -82 2.412 1 00:19:E4:4C:F9:49 HelloMotoWPA -56 / -82 2.412 1 00:18:84:81:A2:79 ASGARDWPA2 -76 / -84 2.427 4 00:19:7D:05:8A:28 My PS3WPA -75 / -85 2.437 6 00:21:D7:90:80:10 WPA2 -59 / -85 2.437 6 00:1C:FB:FD:CB:D0 qwestJONESWPA -74 / -84 2.447 8 00:12:17:62:58:69 HelloMoto2GWPA -68 / -85 2.462 11 00:15:A3:E5:15:70 Blacklab34WPA -58 / -85 2.462 11 00:1F:CA:26:F6:C6 WPA2 -20 / -85 2.462 11 00:21:D7:90:7C:E0 WPA2 -51 / -85 2.462 11 00:24:7B:14:D6:56 myqwest5589WPA -70 / -85 2.462 11 00:00:00:00:00:00 WEP -71 / -82 2.412 1 00:14:A5:30:06:5C MotorolaNONE -70 / -82 2.412 1 00:22:75:46:BB:D4 Belkin_N_Wireless_46bbd4NONE -72 / -85 2.432 5 00:21:29:95:3A:67 JohnNONE -81 / -85 2.437 6 00:21:00:5C:2D:35 HomeWEP -80 / -85 2.437 6 00:0C:41:96:68:AE linksysWEP -72 / -85 2.437 6 00:24:B2:76:6A:10 tmobile hotspotWEP -73 / -84 2.447 8 00:15:05:36:DA:8B ACTIONTECWEP -70 / -84 2.452 9 00:24:7B:35:A1:54 myqwest4705WEP -63 / -85 2.462 11 00:00:00:00:00:00 WEP -62 / -85 2.462 11 00:14:6C:94:B6:00 BarbaraNONE -71 / -85 2.462 11 Scan from the remote employee's house facing the 2 new subdivisions: Site Survey Scanned Frequencies: 2.412GHz 2.417GHz 2.422GHz 2.427GHz 2.432GHz 2.437GHz 2.442GHz 2.447GHz 2.452GHz 2.457GHz 2.462GHz Scanning, please wait... MAC Address SSID Device Name Encryption Signal / Noise, dBm Frequency, GHz Channel 00:1B:5B:99:09:A1 OliverWPA -71 / -83 2.412 1 00:1E:E5:FA:89:97 Less work for meWPA2 -75 / -83 2.412 1 00:17:3F:57:53:B0 RevelationWPA -60 / -83 2.437 6 00:22:3F:65:D9:6A MotoxChrisWPA -60 / -83 2.437 6 00:21:D7:90:80:10 WPA2 -61 / -83 2.437 6 00:22:3F:A6:E7:85 NETGEARWPA -65 / -81 2.417 2 00:15:6D:FA:63:85 UBNT-AP UBNT-AP WPA2 -62 / -85 2.452 9 00:23:EE:28:9B:D1 OurMaddieWPA -78 / -83 2.412 1 00:18:F8:B8:AB:86 19darne57WEP -77 / -83 2.437 6 00:16:B6:45:69:4D RalphsWEP -71 / -83 2.437 6 00:13:10:69:BE:A8 linksysNONE -76 / -85 2.422 3 00:21:29:95:3A:67 JohnNONE -72 / -83 2.437 6 On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Gino Villarinig...@aeronetpr.com wrote: If you are using the latest fw, use the airview spectrum analyzer to see your local noise Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today I'm on the latest beta firmware... And swapping out $200 worth of gear to play on another band is frustrating... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote: Two suggestions... Upgrade to the beta firmware and see if it helps other... consider doing NS5M, if 2.4 is crowded... Faisal. On 4/14/2010 1:08 PM, AJ wrote: Wish I could get speeds like that :) Have a pair of NS2Ms set up right on on a P2P link to bridge between a DOCSIS modem in a power supply cabinet to an employee that lives 3/4 mi away LoS and can barely keep it up to 13 meg up/down... Running the latest Beta... Doesn't help the noise floor bounces around -85 to -80 all day long
