[WISPA] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning
The list: http://tiny.cc/p0p3d I will remove items as they are sold. Thanks [cid:image001.gif@01CAE277.545A7380] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 inline: image001.gif WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks
Hey Mike, As you have already done the path calcs for 11GHz, what frequency comes out best for the 30 mile shot in that environment? Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: michael mulcay [mailto:m...@wirelessstrategies.net] Sent: 23 April 2010 06:38 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks Scott, For a 30 mile path in Florida with a 40dB fade margin the outage is predicted to be in excess of 20 hours. About 12 miles is the max I would use. Mike 831-659-5618 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:07 PM To: Travis Johnson; wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks I guess my question would be whether the 6Ghz difference between 5gig and 11gig is as much different from 11gig to 18gig... Seams to me just guessing that 11gig and 18gig would act very differently for rain fade but then again I'm without any experience on either so I'm just probing for answers... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:58 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks Hi, I assume you have had path analysis done already? Like by Trango or Dragonwave or whomever equipment you are considering for this project? What do their numbers show for availability? Honestly, a 30 mile link using 11ghz in Florida seems a little scary to me. I have some 18ghz links using a 4ft and 2ft dish going 32 miles and we experience rain-fade during our heavy rain storms... and considering we are technically in a desert climate, it makes me wonder about your links. (BTW, that's with my link running at the lowest modulation already, and they still drop out during the heavy storms). Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Spending over 10K for a link (or anything for that matter) causes me to do a bit more homework than usual when I'm dealing with something I am not familiar with So more questions... Thanks ahead for your time I appreciate any info provided. Looking for generic 11Ghz answers - not related specifically to any manufacturer. Two links in question, one 20 miles and one 30 miles. 18db output 40.4 db dish (4ft) 900ft tower to 300ft tower both instances 900ft tower in middle with one link east one west. Calculations show just under 700 watts EIRP How much is the rain going to affect me... I have no experience with 11Ghz and would really like a firm grasp on what happens to my link(s) when the rain starts. I understand the Trango Apex which I'm looking at can dynamically adjust speeds to account for some fade - exactly how much I'm not sure. Any real world info would really help me at this point. I guess I'm looking for good news :) but I need to hear the bad as well if it is reality. Next question is for temp inversions. I have never had equipment higher than about 350ft so the 900ft is a bit new for me. I'm assuming that the angle different from going from 300ft to 300ft vs. 900ft to 300ft would be a small portion of a degree difference so I'm not expecting anything different here. Confirm this really won't make a difference for me as I suspect... I'm not going over much water, just St. Johns river mostly marsh but it does cause differences in temp above the water. Does 11Ghz behave the same as 5Ghz for inversions? Worse, better? 5Ghz around here sways a lot actually if you look at RSSI graphs. Anything else I might want to know, understand, be warned about etc? Remember back to your first 10K + link :) That's me now... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
I thought I was the only one who spent many hours on the phone to get them back on the sat connection after convincing them they have a wireless router of thier ownMade the mistake of offering service and now they think it's a scam! How many hours should one spend on the phone with a non-customer? --- On Thu, 4/22/10, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 11:14 PM Thats funny, but we can relate. I like the one where the people call and tell us we hijacked their computer and we can't do that and how they are going to call (whoever). The only page their computer can open is our hotspot page cause no matter where they go they get redirected to our friendly *pay here* page. We nicely explain that no that is not the case and obviously they are unable to operate their computer properly, but we can help. Its their next words that cause a sudden cease of communication or a walk through of how to disconnect from an access point... Their choice :) I've seen it go both ways more than once... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman Regretfully no. I went the other route, was so overly nice and respectful (Almost to the edge of sarcasim) I'm sure they felt like total jerks, or at least normal folk would. A big smile on my face and a saws-all in my hand. But I was worked up, I can tell ya that. Bob- - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman Did you actually tell them YOUR FIRED ??? Congrats if you did, I know we've all wanted to do that at times to certain customers... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman Ah... But it got better today. This customer was the ONLY one on a very NEW AP. Teenage grandson begged and begged to be installed. I never install a paying customer until I test and test and tweak with a volunteer and it's perfect and near bullet proof. But Josh begs and I bend the rules. Told my cousin, who was my volunteer, I'd be back after I get this kid all fixed up. So I go to boys house. Lives with grandparents. The place is like a postcard. Very unbelievably anal. Calculations put me 20 feet up for bottom of Fresnel. Grandpa says Nope, can't put it on the house. (2 story, tall place) No antenna tower... Well too bad then. But Josh, 15, makes the sad story to me so I bend again and spring for a 4 foot hole, 6 bags of cement, 40 foot mast, ect.. Way out back behind the shed. Tell them all it will take probably a week to get it all set to be perfect. Well here it is, been a week. Of course, grandma yells at me last night, has a big attitude. Today, boy calls, Internet not working Attitude again. (I'm monitoring all day, problem is obviously is with his PC) I remind him that old man said no house mount (has a very nice big chimney to clam on to) and I was monitoring the signal all day today, and I was. Has a -74 ALL DAY! He's 7 miles out with trees But still very good signal. So teen boy, Josh tells me Grandpa said that if you don't come out right now to fix it you need to come tomorrow and take everything out including the pole because it's UNRELIABLE Oppps! Said the wrong thing. I closed the store, went home and picked up my saws all, drove out... Pulled out the big cable cutters Josh boy comes over on his ATV What ya think is wrong? I say... I'm sorry, grandpa says we're unreliable so I'm just gonna help you all out and take it all down. Deer eyes in the headlights. Bluff called. Cut the cable, took down top section. Grandpa comes out. Sorry we weren't reliable sir, I told you it would take about a week but I don't want to cause you anymore pain. Uh, uh, uh... He says. Sawsall. Last section. Josh, can you go get me the power injector and power supply? Okay... In and out. YOU'RE FIRED! I'm working on a clause in our terms of service concerning Unreasonable Customers. From now on, I reserve the right to fire
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning
I would like the 3 - 900 SM Connectorized if you still have them. Would you take $350 for all three? It's my daughter's birthday and we are going to the zoo later this morning, so I won't be able to do much. If you respond before 9:00 I can send payment by PayPal. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:58 AM To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning The list: http://tiny.cc/p0p3d I will remove items as they are sold. Thanks [cid:image001.gif@01CAE277.545A7380] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning
Dumb-ass attack this morning... I didn't change the destination... Please dis-regard everyone. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning I would like the 3 - 900 SM Connectorized if you still have them. Would you take $350 for all three? It's my daughter's birthday and we are going to the zoo later this morning, so I won't be able to do much. If you respond before 9:00 I can send payment by PayPal. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:58 AM To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning The list: http://tiny.cc/p0p3d I will remove items as they are sold. Thanks [cid:image001.gif@01CAE277.545A7380] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
I've got a couple of those with a clock card them as well, plus some TRS-80 Model III's, a VIC 20 and an Odyssey. -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:56:49 -0400 Winchester 20meg hard card in my Tandy 1000. Them be da days! Oh, and I still have it stored in my mothers basement. Yes, still works. Someday I need to learn to throw things out.. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives I knew that made winchesters back then :) On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Runs on coal powered steam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives 1889. That's a damn good hard drive. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:58:59 -0400 I still have a Conner 30meg drive that still works. From 1889. What use it has, I just dunno. - Original Message - From: Steven Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Quantum bigfoot sheesh. I actually had one come in here less than a year ago. Couldn't hardly stand the sound of the whine when the pc was turned on. Walked in and told my tech that I'd bet him lunch that had a Quantum Bigfoot in it by the sound. I got a free lunch. At least you didn't say the old Seagate ST-225RLL 20 Meg Those things worked well for a long time as long as you could get to the motor and spin it with your knife to get it started. The pictures of I attached are of a drive that still spins. I sold it in 1992 as a super server. Novell 3.12 2 meg dip ram on 2 ram boards, the attached pictures hard drive 376 Meg Total price $6859.00 Those were the days. Steve -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot and Quantum fireball drives. But that was when I lived in a parallel universe. I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and well behaved. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Running a large Data Center I can say yes ... Every component is subject to failure. I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well. Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of machines... Samsung ram - feels like its all doa On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this. I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks DOA. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 937-552-2340 end_of_the_skype_highlighting Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components rather than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5 years on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the bad one. But that very rarely happens anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hooper Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Being a system builder does seem like it would be pretty tough these. Most of the shops around here have shifted from doing system builds to becoming Value-Added Resellers. Even with servers it seems best to go with a name brand, what with HP's 3 year warranties and all. And, let's face it, it's nice being able to hold someone else accountable. Regards, Charles Mike Hammett wrote: How can you be a system
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning
I ALWAYS try to disregard everyone. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning Dumb-ass attack this morning... I didn't change the destination... Please dis-regard everyone. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning I would like the 3 - 900 SM Connectorized if you still have them. Would you take $350 for all three? It's my daughter's birthday and we are going to the zoo later this morning, so I won't be able to do much. If you respond before 9:00 I can send payment by PayPal. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:58 AM To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning The list: http://tiny.cc/p0p3d I will remove items as they are sold. Thanks [cid:image001.gif@01CAE277.545A7380] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
Alright, alright You win. %$#@*$# -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 8:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives I've got a couple of those with a clock card them as well, plus some TRS-80 Model III's, a VIC 20 and an Odyssey. -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:56:49 -0400 Winchester 20meg hard card in my Tandy 1000. Them be da days! Oh, and I still have it stored in my mothers basement. Yes, still works. Someday I need to learn to throw things out.. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives I knew that made winchesters back then :) On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Runs on coal powered steam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives 1889. That's a damn good hard drive. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:58:59 -0400 I still have a Conner 30meg drive that still works. From 1889. What use it has, I just dunno. - Original Message - From: Steven Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Quantum bigfoot sheesh. I actually had one come in here less than a year ago. Couldn't hardly stand the sound of the whine when the pc was turned on. Walked in and told my tech that I'd bet him lunch that had a Quantum Bigfoot in it by the sound. I got a free lunch. At least you didn't say the old Seagate ST-225RLL 20 Meg Those things worked well for a long time as long as you could get to the motor and spin it with your knife to get it started. The pictures of I attached are of a drive that still spins. I sold it in 1992 as a super server. Novell 3.12 2 meg dip ram on 2 ram boards, the attached pictures hard drive 376 Meg Total price $6859.00 Those were the days. Steve -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot and Quantum fireball drives. But that was when I lived in a parallel universe. I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and well behaved. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Running a large Data Center I can say yes ... Every component is subject to failure. I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well. Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of machines... Samsung ram - feels like its all doa On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this. I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks DOA. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 937-552-2340 end_of_the_skype_highlighting Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components rather than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5 years on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the bad one. But that very rarely happens anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hooper Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Being a system builder does seem like it would be pretty tough these. Most of the shops around here have shifted from
Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
http://www.birdbgone.com/products/plastic-bird-spikes These work for us. Glue them to the top of your sectors. Chris Intelliwave -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods Birds suck. Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything. Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap. I prefer my usual stink. Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those flying crap machines off the AP's? i think of it everytime I climb a grain leg but never do anything about it. This is the year! Oh, and racoons. One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side. Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step. That I can deal with, I have kids afterall. But the birds just need to stop. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
Bob, Thanks for sharing this story. The evil in me was happy to see this. :-) Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:54:29 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman Ah... But it got better today. This customer was the ONLY one on a very NEW AP. Teenage grandson begged and begged to be installed. I never install a paying customer until I test and test and tweak with a volunteer and it's perfect and near bullet proof. But Josh begs and I bend the rules. Told my cousin, who was my volunteer, I'd be back after I get this kid all fixed up. So I go to boys house. Lives with grandparents. The place is like a postcard. Very unbelievably anal. Calculations put me 20 feet up for bottom of Fresnel. Grandpa says Nope, can't put it on the house. (2 story, tall place) No antenna tower... Well too bad then. But Josh, 15, makes the sad story to me so I bend again and spring for a 4 foot hole, 6 bags of cement, 40 foot mast, ect.. Way out back behind the shed. Tell them all it will take probably a week to get it all set to be perfect. Well here it is, been a week. Of course, grandma yells at me last night, has a big attitude. Today, boy calls, Internet not working Attitude again. (I'm monitoring all day, problem is obviously is with his PC) I remind him that old man said no house mount (has a very nice big chimney to clam on to) and I was monitoring the signal all day today, and I was. Has a -74 ALL DAY! He's 7 miles out with trees But still very good signal. So teen boy, Josh tells me Grandpa said that if you don't come out right now to fix it you need to come tomorrow and take everything out including the pole because it's UNRELIABLE Oppps! Said the wrong thing. I closed the store, went home and picked up my saws all, drove out... Pulled out the big cable cutters Josh boy comes over on his ATV What ya think is wrong? I say... I'm sorry, grandpa says we're unreliable so I'm just gonna help you all out and take it all down. Deer eyes in the headlights. Bluff called. Cut the cable, took down top section. Grandpa comes out. Sorry we weren't reliable sir, I told you it would take about a week but I don't want to cause you anymore pain. Uh, uh, uh... He says. Sawsall. Last section. Josh, can you go get me the power injector and power supply? Okay... In and out. YOU'RE FIRED! I'm working on a clause in our terms of service concerning Unreasonable Customers. From now on, I reserve the right to fire unreasonable customers. The truth is, I really don't give a damn if I provide quality internet at a more than reasonable price to people who are jerks to us. Life is too short. I'm a nice guy, (Too nice, so says Gene Kelly... YO, GENE!) I'm done with unreasonable, pushy people. They need to sign a I Won't Be A Jerk agreement. And yes, I'm making one. Enjoy. Bob- - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] An Old Woman That as good as the old man who asked my installer if he was spending the night since its so late! On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: An old woman yelled at me tonight. It's Ten O'clock, it's time to come down! I work 24 hours a day. Old woman pissed me of. Had to share. Almost took my anenna home with m. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
Yup, use that stuff. Nixilite is another major brand, but be sure to get the plastic stuff to avoid having a bunch of little parasitic antennas sitting right next to your APs. Use a quality structural sealant like GE Silpruf to attach it to your equipment. You can pry it off later if necessary, but it definitely won't be coming off in the wind. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com chris cooper wrote: http://www.birdbgone.com/products/plastic-bird-spikes These work for us. Glue them to the top of your sectors. Chris Intelliwave -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods Birds suck. Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything. Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap. I prefer my usual stink. Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those flying crap machines off the AP's? i think of it everytime I climb a grain leg but never do anything about it. This is the year! Oh, and racoons. One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side. Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step. That I can deal with, I have kids afterall. But the birds just need to stop. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OT: Needing - Dragonwave AirPair IDU
If anyone has a working Dragonwave Airpair IDU modem that they can part with, please let me know. -Eric WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks
Those link distances seem quite long for 11GHZ using 2 foot dishes. Have you had any vendors you are looking at run some path calculations for you? The nice thing about Licensed links is the path calculations can give you your estimated downtime over a year period. We are working on an 11GHZ link for a client. Basically us working is getting the GPS coordinates, tower heights, and then contacting the vendors on the short list. They run the path calculations and tell us if it will work or not. This particular path is looking at 18 miles with 4 foot dishes to keep the reliability high. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com Reply-To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 22:39:24 -0400 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks Spending over 10K for a link (or anything for that matter) causes me to do a bit more homework than usual when I'm dealing with something I am not familiar with So more questions... Thanks ahead for your time I appreciate any info provided. Looking for generic 11Ghz answers - not related specifically to any manufacturer. Two links in question, one 20 miles and one 30 miles. 18db output 40.4 db dish (4ft) 900ft tower to 300ft tower both instances 900ft tower in middle with one link east one west. Calculations show just under 700 watts EIRP How much is the rain going to affect me... I have no experience with 11Ghz and would really like a firm grasp on what happens to my link(s) when the rain starts. I understand the Trango Apex which I'm looking at can dynamically adjust speeds to account for some fade - exactly how much I'm not sure. Any real world info would really help me at this point. I guess I'm looking for good news :) but I need to hear the bad as well if it is reality. Next question is for temp inversions. I have never had equipment higher than about 350ft so the 900ft is a bit new for me. I'm assuming that the angle different from going from 300ft to 300ft vs. 900ft to 300ft would be a small portion of a degree difference so I'm not expecting anything different here. Confirm this really won't make a difference for me as I suspect... I'm not going over much water, just St. Johns river mostly marsh but it does cause differences in temp above the water. Does 11Ghz behave the same as 5Ghz for inversions? Worse, better? 5Ghz around here sways a lot actually if you look at RSSI graphs. Anything else I might want to know, understand, be warned about etc? Remember back to your first 10K + link :) That's me now... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
Bob I have seen your shop - I am sure you win... ;-) On Apr 23, 2010, at 8:05 AM, Robert West wrote: Alright, alright You win. %$#@*$# -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 8:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives I've got a couple of those with a clock card them as well, plus some TRS-80 Model III's, a VIC 20 and an Odyssey. -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:56:49 -0400 Winchester 20meg hard card in my Tandy 1000. Them be da days! Oh, and I still have it stored in my mothers basement. Yes, still works. Someday I need to learn to throw things out.. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives I knew that made winchesters back then :) On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Runs on coal powered steam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives 1889. That's a damn good hard drive. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:58:59 -0400 I still have a Conner 30meg drive that still works. From 1889. What use it has, I just dunno. - Original Message - From: Steven Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Quantum bigfoot sheesh. I actually had one come in here less than a year ago. Couldn't hardly stand the sound of the whine when the pc was turned on. Walked in and told my tech that I'd bet him lunch that had a Quantum Bigfoot in it by the sound. I got a free lunch. At least you didn't say the old Seagate ST-225RLL 20 Meg Those things worked well for a long time as long as you could get to the motor and spin it with your knife to get it started. The pictures of I attached are of a drive that still spins. I sold it in 1992 as a super server. Novell 3.12 2 meg dip ram on 2 ram boards, the attached pictures hard drive 376 Meg Total price $6859.00 Those were the days. Steve -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot and Quantum fireball drives. But that was when I lived in a parallel universe. I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and well behaved. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Running a large Data Center I can say yes ... Every component is subject to failure. I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well. Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of machines... Samsung ram - feels like its all doa On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this. I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks DOA. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 937-552-2340 end_of_the_skype_highlighting Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components rather than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5 years on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the bad one. But that very rarely happens anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hooper Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM To: WISPA General List
Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
Glenn, Why do I always think your name is Gene? I need to adjust my medication. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods Guess it depends on where you are... When I was in EMS in Atlantic City - I would see seagulls and other birds use these to drop their prey - fish or whatever on... then they would perch on them and have a feast Never saw them act as a deterrent... Then again - swimming in that part of the Atlantic does make one kinda rubbery - so perhaps their feet have become accustomed... :-) On Apr 23, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: Yup, use that stuff. Nixilite is another major brand, but be sure to get the plastic stuff to avoid having a bunch of little parasitic antennas sitting right next to your APs. Use a quality structural sealant like GE Silpruf to attach it to your equipment. You can pry it off later if necessary, but it definitely won't be coming off in the wind. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com chris cooper wrote: http://www.birdbgone.com/products/plastic-bird-spikes These work for us. Glue them to the top of your sectors. Chris Intelliwave -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods Birds suck. Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything. Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap. I prefer my usual stink. Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those flying crap machines off the AP's? i think of it everytime I climb a grain leg but never do anything about it. This is the year! Oh, and racoons. One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side. Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step. That I can deal with, I have kids afterall. But the birds just need to stop. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
Take a look in the panel van outside. The Overflow.. Along with the tower sections peeking out over the steering wheel. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Bob I have seen your shop - I am sure you win... ;-) On Apr 23, 2010, at 8:05 AM, Robert West wrote: Alright, alright You win. %$#@*$# -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 8:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives I've got a couple of those with a clock card them as well, plus some TRS-80 Model III's, a VIC 20 and an Odyssey. -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:56:49 -0400 Winchester 20meg hard card in my Tandy 1000. Them be da days! Oh, and I still have it stored in my mothers basement. Yes, still works. Someday I need to learn to throw things out.. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives I knew that made winchesters back then :) On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Runs on coal powered steam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives 1889. That's a damn good hard drive. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:58:59 -0400 I still have a Conner 30meg drive that still works. From 1889. What use it has, I just dunno. - Original Message - From: Steven Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Quantum bigfoot sheesh. I actually had one come in here less than a year ago. Couldn't hardly stand the sound of the whine when the pc was turned on. Walked in and told my tech that I'd bet him lunch that had a Quantum Bigfoot in it by the sound. I got a free lunch. At least you didn't say the old Seagate ST-225RLL 20 Meg Those things worked well for a long time as long as you could get to the motor and spin it with your knife to get it started. The pictures of I attached are of a drive that still spins. I sold it in 1992 as a super server. Novell 3.12 2 meg dip ram on 2 ram boards, the attached pictures hard drive 376 Meg Total price $6859.00 Those were the days. Steve -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot and Quantum fireball drives. But that was when I lived in a parallel universe. I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and well behaved. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Running a large Data Center I can say yes ... Every component is subject to failure. I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well. Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of machines... Samsung ram - feels like its all doa On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this. I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks DOA. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 937-552-2340 end_of_the_skype_highlighting Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components rather than the OEM. 3
Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
At one of our tower sites, we have Peregrine Falcons nesting...not another species of bird, squirrels, chipmunks or other annoying rodents anywhere to be found! And sometimes not another tower climber in site either if they get too annoyed...LOL! On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 10:39 -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote: Guess it depends on where you are... When I was in EMS in Atlantic City - I would see seagulls and other birds use these to drop their prey - fish or whatever on... then they would perch on them and have a feast Never saw them act as a deterrent... Then again - swimming in that part of the Atlantic does make one kinda rubbery - so perhaps their feet have become accustomed... :-) On Apr 23, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: Yup, use that stuff. Nixilite is another major brand, but be sure to get the plastic stuff to avoid having a bunch of little parasitic antennas sitting right next to your APs. Use a quality structural sealant like GE Silpruf to attach it to your equipment. You can pry it off later if necessary, but it definitely won't be coming off in the wind. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com chris cooper wrote: http://www.birdbgone.com/products/plastic-bird-spikes These work for us. Glue them to the top of your sectors. Chris Intelliwave -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods Birds suck. Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything. Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap. I prefer my usual stink. Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those flying crap machines off the AP's? i think of it everytime I climb a grain leg but never do anything about it. This is the year! Oh, and racoons. One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side. Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step. That I can deal with, I have kids afterall. But the birds just need to stop. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
my wife calls me fat bastard if that helps any ;-) On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Robert West wrote: Glenn, Why do I always think your name is Gene? I need to adjust my medication. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods Guess it depends on where you are... When I was in EMS in Atlantic City - I would see seagulls and other birds use these to drop their prey - fish or whatever on... then they would perch on them and have a feast Never saw them act as a deterrent... Then again - swimming in that part of the Atlantic does make one kinda rubbery - so perhaps their feet have become accustomed... :-) On Apr 23, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: Yup, use that stuff. Nixilite is another major brand, but be sure to get the plastic stuff to avoid having a bunch of little parasitic antennas sitting right next to your APs. Use a quality structural sealant like GE Silpruf to attach it to your equipment. You can pry it off later if necessary, but it definitely won't be coming off in the wind. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com chris cooper wrote: http://www.birdbgone.com/products/plastic-bird-spikes These work for us. Glue them to the top of your sectors. Chris Intelliwave -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods Birds suck. Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything. Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap. I prefer my usual stink. Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those flying crap machines off the AP's? i think of it everytime I climb a grain leg but never do anything about it. This is the year! Oh, and racoons. One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side. Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step. That I can deal with, I have kids afterall. But the birds just need to stop. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
90% of your problems and aggravations are less than 3% of your customer base. The worst ones I send to my competition (small evil grin). I simplify things in a couple of ways. 1. I tell my installers that if they let the customer drive the install they are fired. 2. I make each customer sign a contract and a statement of understanding (see below). WIRELESS BROADBAND STATEMENT OF UNDERSTANDING: I the Subscriber do hereby acknowledge that I understand and agree to the following about my wireless installation: 1. Wireless installation WILL require the installation of between a 10-foot and 50-foot mast ON TOP of my ROOF. Any mast over 10 feet in height will require guy wires for support. Typical installations have been shown to me. 2. I understand that the cable from the antenna will come down the mast and be routed into a hole drilled into an outside wall. The equipment will be installed within the room that the outside penetration is made. 3. If I, for any reason, refuse the installation after contract signing I will be forfeiting the installation fee. I will also forfeit the installation fee if I refuse to cut tree branches that overhang my roof preventing the installation as the installers will describe to me. If the crew has to make a second trip to install your service for any reason not controlled by us, there will be an $85.00 service call fee. 4. If we are unable to install you due to our technical limitations, we will refund the installation fee you have paid. 5. I understand that I have entered into a legal and binding contract for the terms stated in the contract. 6. I understand that I will not own the equipment installed at my location. I further understand that I am responsible for returning that equipment in serviceable order to Argon Technologies. I also understand that I am responsible for maintaining homeowners insurance to provide coverage for the equipment while installed at my location. 7. I understand that service calls to repair or correct problems with my computer and or network are not covered by the service and will be billed on an hourly basis. 8. I have read, understood, and agree to the Wireless Contract signed by myself. I further understand that this Statement of Understanding does not change the requirements of the Wireless Contract. _ ___ Subscriber DatePhone Number Photocopy of Drivers license to be attached And still we have issues! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
People rarely read contracts much less understand them. I have found many people view anything related to a wireless install as something they don¹t understand. How many times have installers been asked if the hole they drill is a ³special type of hole² or something goofy like that. I bet many people think the papers they sign are somehow beyond their realm of comprehension so they just sign it. Customer education is the toughest obstacle I think. I know everyone has had customers who call in weekly and are told the same thing they were told last week (ie. Reboot your router or computer). I have seen successful WISPs send installers out in two person teams. One person takes care of the outside stuff (mounting, running cable) and the inside person checks over the computer and spends time educating the customer some. This works great IMHO, but is not always practical due to time and money. When I did installs I would make the customer walk around the house/building and document exactly what we were going to do. We then wrote it up and the customer signed off on it. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:34:03 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman 90% of your problems and aggravations are less than 3% of your customer base. The worst ones I send to my competition (small evil grin). I simplify things in a couple of ways. 1. I tell my installers that if they let the customer drive the install they are fired. 2. I make each customer sign a contract and a statement of understanding (see below). WIRELESS BROADBAND STATEMENT OF UNDERSTANDING: I the Subscriber do hereby acknowledge that I understand and agree to the following about my wireless installation: 1. Wireless installation WILL require the installation of between a 10-foot and 50-foot mast ON TOP of my ROOF. Any mast over 10 feet in height will require guy wires for support. Typical installations have been shown to me. 2. I understand that the cable from the antenna will come down the mast and be routed into a hole drilled into an outside wall. The equipment will be installed within the room that the outside penetration is made. 3. If I, for any reason, refuse the installation after contract signing I will be forfeiting the installation fee. I will also forfeit the installation fee if I refuse to cut tree branches that overhang my roof preventing the installation as the installers will describe to me. If the crew has to make a second trip to install your service for any reason not controlled by us, there will be an $85.00 service call fee. 4. If we are unable to install you due to our technical limitations, we will refund the installation fee you have paid. 5. I understand that I have entered into a legal and binding contract for the terms stated in the contract. 6. I understand that I will not own the equipment installed at my location. I further understand that I am responsible for returning that equipment in serviceable order to Argon Technologies. I also understand that I am responsible for maintaining homeowners insurance to provide coverage for the equipment while installed at my location. 7. I understand that service calls to repair or correct problems with my computer and or network are not covered by the service and will be billed on an hourly basis. 8. I have read, understood, and agree to the Wireless Contract signed by myself. I further understand that this Statement of Understanding does not change the requirements of the Wireless Contract. _ ___ Subscriber Date Phone Number Photocopy of Drivers license to be attached And still we have issues! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
We do too, over here, but not when you're around. We try to be nice. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 11:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods my wife calls me fat bastard if that helps any ;-) On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Robert West wrote: Glenn, Why do I always think your name is Gene? I need to adjust my medication. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods Guess it depends on where you are... When I was in EMS in Atlantic City - I would see seagulls and other birds use these to drop their prey - fish or whatever on... then they would perch on them and have a feast Never saw them act as a deterrent... Then again - swimming in that part of the Atlantic does make one kinda rubbery - so perhaps their feet have become accustomed... :-) On Apr 23, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: Yup, use that stuff. Nixilite is another major brand, but be sure to get the plastic stuff to avoid having a bunch of little parasitic antennas sitting right next to your APs. Use a quality structural sealant like GE Silpruf to attach it to your equipment. You can pry it off later if necessary, but it definitely won't be coming off in the wind. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com chris cooper wrote: http://www.birdbgone.com/products/plastic-bird-spikes These work for us. Glue them to the top of your sectors. Chris Intelliwave -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods Birds suck. Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything. Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap. I prefer my usual stink. Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those flying crap machines off the AP's? i think of it everytime I climb a grain leg but never do anything about it. This is the year! Oh, and racoons. One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side. Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step. That I can deal with, I have kids afterall. But the birds just need to stop. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
Yikes! I can almost relate, dude. That's nasty. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods Here's a shot of the nastiest tower ever...that tower has NO paint, by the way. Cameron On 4/22/2010 10:36 PM, Robert West wrote: Birds suck. Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything. Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap. I prefer my usual stink. Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those flying crap machines off the AP's? i think of it everytime I climb a grain leg but never do anything about it. This is the year! Oh, and racoons. One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side. Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step. That I can deal with, I have kids afterall. But the birds just need to stop. Bob- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Today I feed a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
That's about as straight as you can get. Some people just don't pay attention, I know that all too well. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman 90% of your problems and aggravations are less than 3% of your customer base. The worst ones I send to my competition (small evil grin). I simplify things in a couple of ways. 1. I tell my installers that if they let the customer drive the install they are fired. 2. I make each customer sign a contract and a statement of understanding (see below). WIRELESS BROADBAND STATEMENT OF UNDERSTANDING: I the Subscriber do hereby acknowledge that I understand and agree to the following about my wireless installation: 1. Wireless installation WILL require the installation of between a 10-foot and 50-foot mast ON TOP of my ROOF. Any mast over 10 feet in height will require guy wires for support. Typical installations have been shown to me. 2. I understand that the cable from the antenna will come down the mast and be routed into a hole drilled into an outside wall. The equipment will be installed within the room that the outside penetration is made. 3. If I, for any reason, refuse the installation after contract signing I will be forfeiting the installation fee. I will also forfeit the installation fee if I refuse to cut tree branches that overhang my roof preventing the installation as the installers will describe to me. If the crew has to make a second trip to install your service for any reason not controlled by us, there will be an $85.00 service call fee. 4. If we are unable to install you due to our technical limitations, we will refund the installation fee you have paid. 5. I understand that I have entered into a legal and binding contract for the terms stated in the contract. 6. I understand that I will not own the equipment installed at my location. I further understand that I am responsible for returning that equipment in serviceable order to Argon Technologies. I also understand that I am responsible for maintaining homeowners insurance to provide coverage for the equipment while installed at my location. 7. I understand that service calls to repair or correct problems with my computer and or network are not covered by the service and will be billed on an hourly basis. 8. I have read, understood, and agree to the Wireless Contract signed by myself. I further understand that this Statement of Understanding does not change the requirements of the Wireless Contract. _ ___ Subscriber DatePhone Number Photocopy of Drivers license to be attached And still we have issues! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Who to use to license a 11ghz backhaul link?
Any recommendations? I know several do it, looking for recommendations based on past experience / price. Thanks. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?
Wow, So my question would be, what sort of separation is required to keep the noise down? ryan On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: If anyone is like me and ever wondered how bad that stacking cards of the same band in RB333 or RB433 interfere with each other, well, I finally answered my own question. I've been wondering this for the past 3 years and no one could really give an answer, or show proof. Well I bought a spectrum analyzer and decided to do some testing. I plugged the spectrum analyzer directly into the antenna port on a disabled card that was stacked on top of a card that was transmitting. Bleed-over on the adjacent channels started at -76 Won't be doing that anymore! Just thought I would share this valuable information with the list. For more tests at different channel widths and such check out this thread. http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7 http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=30657p=204642#p204642 t=30657p=204642#p204642 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
I vote we take a pita customer and hang them up there to scare the birds away ... ha ha sorry been one of those days On Apr 23, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: Here's a shot of the nastiest tower ever...that tower has NO paint, by the way. Cameron On 4/22/2010 10:36 PM, Robert West wrote: Birds suck. Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything. Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap. I prefer my usual stink. Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those flying crap machines off the AP's? i think of it everytime I climb a grain leg but never do anything about it. This is the year! Oh, and racoons. One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side. Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step. That I can deal with, I have kids afterall. But the birds just need to stop. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
Good idea! On 4/23/10, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I vote we take a pita customer and hang them up there to scare the birds away ... ha ha sorry been one of those days On Apr 23, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: Here's a shot of the nastiest tower ever...that tower has NO paint, by the way. Cameron On 4/22/2010 10:36 PM, Robert West wrote: Birds suck. Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything. Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap. I prefer my usual stink. Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those flying crap machines off the AP's? i think of it everytime I climb a grain leg but never do anything about it. This is the year! Oh, and racoons. One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side. Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step. That I can deal with, I have kids afterall. But the birds just need to stop. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Who to use to license a 11ghz backhaul link?
Hi Scott, To make sure you're getting the best service, I would start by first making sure that whomever you're thinking of going with is registered with the FCC and the NSMA -- otherwise, you're just going through a middle-man http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=licensing_1id=microwave I'd then base my decision on companies on that list that are active members, supporters and/or dues-paying contributors of WISPA and the WISP industry I'm sure if you make it to that stage, the person you decide to ultimately negotiate with will give you a competitive and reasonable price =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 1:21 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Who to use to license a 11ghz backhaul link? Any recommendations? I know several do it, looking for recommendations based on past experience / price. Thanks. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Who to use to license a 11ghz backhaul link?
LOL! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:39:26 To: sc...@brevardwireless.comsc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA GeneralListwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who to use to license a 11ghz backhaul link? Hi Scott, To make sure you're getting the best service, I would start by first making sure that whomever you're thinking of going with is registered with the FCC and the NSMA -- otherwise, you're just going through a middle-man http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=licensing_1id=microwave I'd then base my decision on companies on that list that are active members, supporters and/or dues-paying contributors of WISPA and the WISP industry I'm sure if you make it to that stage, the person you decide to ultimately negotiate with will give you a competitive and reasonable price =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 1:21 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Who to use to license a 11ghz backhaul link? Any recommendations? I know several do it, looking for recommendations based on past experience / price. Thanks. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?
Can I add lead curtains between them as well? Is there soe other dampening material I can use? ryan On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: If you physically move them to anywhere but on top of each other, like the sides or above or below then the bleed over goes away. So if you mounted them side by side in a RB600 or RB800 then your ok. Heres some pics of that. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere? Wow, So my question would be, what sort of separation is required to keep the noise down? ryan On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: If anyone is like me and ever wondered how bad that stacking cards of the same band in RB333 or RB433 interfere with each other, well, I finally answered my own question. I've been wondering this for the past 3 years and no one could really give an answer, or show proof. Well I bought a spectrum analyzer and decided to do some testing. I plugged the spectrum analyzer directly into the antenna port on a disabled card that was stacked on top of a card that was transmitting. Bleed-over on the adjacent channels started at -76 Won't be doing that anymore! Just thought I would share this valuable information with the list. For more tests at different channel widths and such check out this thread. http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7 http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=30657p=204642#p204642 t=30657p=204642#p204642 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?
So what kind of throughput are you getting from that setup? LOL! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere? If anyone is like me and ever wondered how bad that stacking cards of the same band in RB333 or RB433 interfere with each other, well, I finally answered my own question. I've been wondering this for the past 3 years and no one could really give an answer, or show proof. Well I bought a spectrum analyzer and decided to do some testing. I plugged the spectrum analyzer directly into the antenna port on a disabled card that was stacked on top of a card that was transmitting. Bleed-over on the adjacent channels started at -76 Won't be doing that anymore! Just thought I would share this valuable information with the list. For more tests at different channel widths and such check out this thread. http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7 http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=30657p=204642#p204642 t=30657p=204642#p204642 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
