Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting
Forgot to mention...the MUM presentations are usually online. Both historically and live (forget the link, just look at the Facebook/Twitter when the even comes around). http://tiktube.com/?video=354 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:29 -0500, Cameron Crum wrote: While not really a training event, I've been to every US MUM in the last 4 years and always found it productive and informative. 100% agreement from me. I'd personally put it on par with last weeks Wispa Regional in StLouis. I agree from the perspective of quality. In terms of usefulness, however, keep in mind that it has a much narrower focus (as you point out). I guess if you are not a MT user/fan then you are wasting your time, but otherwise, it is a good thing. While the MUM is pretty Mikrotik specific, there are often topics that would be of general interest, too. For the most part, you are right, though... -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The Broadband Expo or Wireless Without Limits
I was unable to make the WISPA Regional meeting and was really bummed by that. There are 2 opportunities in November to meet with my peers but I can't do both. The Wireless Without Limits Cruise has major appeal for obvious reason of the cruise. But WISPA is planning to have a tract and meetings at the broadband expo. What are others thinking and planning. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
I wonder if it's possible to route any list traffic with OffList or Off List in the header to devnull? Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 1:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:36 -0400, Jerry Richardson wrote: I was under the assumption that in order to advertise services on the lists one needed to be a paying vendor member. FIRST: I did not advertise my services. I simply answered a question that was asked. Anyone who reads the original question and my answer will see that my answer was much more than an advertisement. SECOND: I agree with the presumption that advertisements should be paid for. The fact is, though, that is has LONG been an accepted practice to answer questions and offer solutions. I had a solution to the question, which I posted. In context, the alleged advertisement was a small portion of the answer. My record of offering free advice on this (and MANY other lists) will support my contention that I do NOT use every opportunity to advertise. I provide good advice (for free), complete answers where possible and occasionally (VERY RARE) I post a solution that will require a payment. THIRD: Can we please just drop this? I inadvertently posted this response on the list and it was meant to be offlist (see the subject). It should be clear to all who read my message (whether you are a Butch fan or a Dennis and Jim fan) that the current discussion was not intended to be a public discussion. FINALLY: This thread has seriously deteriorated into something that is of no help to Paul, who posted a reasonable question. I will no longer participate in this thread. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
One week. The problem is, we're not linking from our facility. I'd need to set in a temporary PC to do the monitoring. -G- - Original Message - From: Cameron Crum To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App How long is temporary? On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If it's a Mikrotik link you can do it right in the radio. What equipment are you using? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:30 PM, KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: I need a cheap / easy app to monitor a temporary link setup. Must be able to monitor and Email / Txt me if there are any outages... Preferably Windows based, as I don't have time to do this one myself. What are you guys running? Thanks, Gary. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
In the first couple years of my WISP, I used MultiPing. It can email but not text. It can even fire off processes (I used it to run a script to reboot UPS's or reset Trango's in the early days). It can tell you if the device is totally down or if it has high latency. Easy to configure. Very straight-forward. - Original Message - From: KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:30 PM Subject: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App I need a cheap / easy app to monitor a temporary link setup. Must be able to monitor and Email / Txt me if there are any outages... Preferably Windows based, as I don't have time to do this one myself. What are you guys running? Thanks, Gary. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas?
I wonder if any of you have experience with 5.8 GHz MIMO antennas. I'm trying to design a point-to-point link, about 10 miles, that will carry a high percentage of a whole network's backhaul. So I'd like it to go at about 80 Mbps, MCS 12 in 20 MHz. The UBNT SR71-15 card can plug into a Routerboard and thus feed two antennas, or a dual-polarized antenna. I'd rather have one antenna than two. I can find dual-feed 2' dishes, but they're on the large side, with wind load and visibility issues. And I see a lot of single-feed panels, which can handle 11a-type traffic. I can run Ethernet into an external radio that comes in a panel, but that adds a hop and more complexity, and frankly most of the specs don't match the SR71-15's. There will be at least three antennas at each end, possibly four (backhaul plus local access). MiniPCI radios in, say, an RB600 seem easier to deal with. But who makes a standalone 5.8 GHz dual-polarized panel, something the 22-25 dB range (13-16)? UBNT makes MIMO sector antennas, and makes panels with built-in radios, but it doesn't seem to have a PTP panel antenna to mate with the SR71-15. ARC has one that works with its built-in enclosure system; do I just leave the enclosure empty and route the cables through it? (Seems hokey.) RADwin has one designed for its own system; I don't know how well it would work otherwise and it's way expensive. Suggestions? Thanks! -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 22:46, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: The dude :) Cheap, FREE! Windows! E-mails, SMS :) I'm getting more and more bitter with The Dude as time goes on. If it would keep running without requiring me to restart it every few days at random, that'd be one thing, but ... For a temporary link, it should be good enough, though. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
We hav'ent had to restart it in months! --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 22:46, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: The dude :) Cheap, FREE! Windows! E-mails, SMS :) I'm getting more and more bitter with The Dude as time goes on. If it would keep running without requiring me to restart it every few days at random, that'd be one thing, but ... For a temporary link, it should be good enough, though. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
That looks cool - I just downloaded The Dude software and set it up.Pretty impressed The only problem I've seen so far - There doesn't seem to be anyway to to authenticate to my Mail Server. (But I've only given it 10 minutes of my time) Thanks all, -Gary- - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App In the first couple years of my WISP, I used MultiPing. It can email but not text. It can even fire off processes (I used it to run a script to reboot UPS's or reset Trango's in the early days). It can tell you if the device is totally down or if it has high latency. Easy to configure. Very straight-forward. - Original Message - From: KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:30 PM Subject: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App I need a cheap / easy app to monitor a temporary link setup. Must be able to monitor and Email / Txt me if there are any outages... Preferably Windows based, as I don't have time to do this one myself. What are you guys running? Thanks, Gary. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
So far, nope, not a way :( Would think that would be simple to add, but if you can work around that :) --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kosinet Wireless Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App That looks cool - I just downloaded The Dude software and set it up.Pretty impressed The only problem I've seen so far - There doesn't seem to be anyway to to authenticate to my Mail Server. (But I've only given it 10 minutes of my time) Thanks all, -Gary- - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App In the first couple years of my WISP, I used MultiPing. It can email but not text. It can even fire off processes (I used it to run a script to reboot UPS's or reset Trango's in the early days). It can tell you if the device is totally down or if it has high latency. Easy to configure. Very straight-forward. - Original Message - From: KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:30 PM Subject: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App I need a cheap / easy app to monitor a temporary link setup. Must be able to monitor and Email / Txt me if there are any outages... Preferably Windows based, as I don't have time to do this one myself. What are you guys running? Thanks, Gary. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
Can you set up a white list for the IP or the sending email address? - Original Message - From: Kosinet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App That looks cool - I just downloaded The Dude software and set it up.Pretty impressed The only problem I've seen so far - There doesn't seem to be anyway to to authenticate to my Mail Server. (But I've only given it 10 minutes of my time) Thanks all, -Gary- - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App In the first couple years of my WISP, I used MultiPing. It can email but not text. It can even fire off processes (I used it to run a script to reboot UPS's or reset Trango's in the early days). It can tell you if the device is totally down or if it has high latency. Easy to configure. Very straight-forward. - Original Message - From: KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:30 PM Subject: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App I need a cheap / easy app to monitor a temporary link setup. Must be able to monitor and Email / Txt me if there are any outages... Preferably Windows based, as I don't have time to do this one myself. What are you guys running? Thanks, Gary. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
What i do in most of the servers I manage. Simple enough. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App Can you set up a white list for the IP or the sending email address? - Original Message - From: Kosinet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App That looks cool - I just downloaded The Dude software and set it up.Pretty impressed The only problem I've seen so far - There doesn't seem to be anyway to to authenticate to my Mail Server. (But I've only given it 10 minutes of my time) Thanks all, -Gary- - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App In the first couple years of my WISP, I used MultiPing. It can email but not text. It can even fire off processes (I used it to run a script to reboot UPS's or reset Trango's in the early days). It can tell you if the device is totally down or if it has high latency. Easy to configure. Very straight-forward. - Original Message - From: KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:30 PM Subject: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App I need a cheap / easy app to monitor a temporary link setup. Must be able to monitor and Email / Txt me if there are any outages... Preferably Windows based, as I don't have time to do this one myself. What are you guys running? Thanks, Gary. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas?
They have a Powerbridge M5 that includes a 25 db MIMO panel. Regards Michael Baird I wonder if any of you have experience with 5.8 GHz MIMO antennas. I'm trying to design a point-to-point link, about 10 miles, that will carry a high percentage of a whole network's backhaul. So I'd like it to go at about 80 Mbps, MCS 12 in 20 MHz. The UBNT SR71-15 card can plug into a Routerboard and thus feed two antennas, or a dual-polarized antenna. I'd rather have one antenna than two. I can find dual-feed 2' dishes, but they're on the large side, with wind load and visibility issues. And I see a lot of single-feed panels, which can handle 11a-type traffic. I can run Ethernet into an external radio that comes in a panel, but that adds a hop and more complexity, and frankly most of the specs don't match the SR71-15's. There will be at least three antennas at each end, possibly four (backhaul plus local access). MiniPCI radios in, say, an RB600 seem easier to deal with. But who makes a standalone 5.8 GHz dual-polarized panel, something the 22-25 dB range (13-16)? UBNT makes MIMO sector antennas, and makes panels with built-in radios, but it doesn't seem to have a PTP panel antenna to mate with the SR71-15. ARC has one that works with its built-in enclosure system; do I just leave the enclosure empty and route the cables through it? (Seems hokey.) RADwin has one designed for its own system; I don't know how well it would work otherwise and it's way expensive. Suggestions? Thanks! -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas?
http://www.ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Says that this would be a marginal signal at 10 miles. (16090 meters) for the PowerBridge M5 link margin 14.4 Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas? They have a Powerbridge M5 that includes a 25 db MIMO panel. Regards Michael Baird I wonder if any of you have experience with 5.8 GHz MIMO antennas. I'm trying to design a point-to-point link, about 10 miles, that will carry a high percentage of a whole network's backhaul. So I'd like it to go at about 80 Mbps, MCS 12 in 20 MHz. The UBNT SR71-15 card can plug into a Routerboard and thus feed two antennas, or a dual-polarized antenna. I'd rather have one antenna than two. I can find dual-feed 2' dishes, but they're on the large side, with wind load and visibility issues. And I see a lot of single-feed panels, which can handle 11a-type traffic. I can run Ethernet into an external radio that comes in a panel, but that adds a hop and more complexity, and frankly most of the specs don't match the SR71-15's. There will be at least three antennas at each end, possibly four (backhaul plus local access). MiniPCI radios in, say, an RB600 seem easier to deal with. But who makes a standalone 5.8 GHz dual-polarized panel, something the 22-25 dB range (13-16)? UBNT makes MIMO sector antennas, and makes panels with built-in radios, but it doesn't seem to have a PTP panel antenna to mate with the SR71-15. ARC has one that works with its built-in enclosure system; do I just leave the enclosure empty and route the cables through it? (Seems hokey.) RADwin has one designed for its own system; I don't know how well it would work otherwise and it's way expensive. Suggestions? Thanks! -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
We played with The Dude a few months ago and while we were very impressed with some of the information provided we also saw stability issues. We also really wanted a system that would geo-tag (? Not sure if that's the right term), but that would allow you to zoom in and out on a mapping program. We have been running the www.wispmon.com program and have been very pleased with it. The built-in profile tool is a huge benefit and is much faster than firing up Radio Mobile. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App Can you set up a white list for the IP or the sending email address? - Original Message - From: Kosinet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App That looks cool - I just downloaded The Dude software and set it up.Pretty impressed The only problem I've seen so far - There doesn't seem to be anyway to to authenticate to my Mail Server. (But I've only given it 10 minutes of my time) Thanks all, -Gary- - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App In the first couple years of my WISP, I used MultiPing. It can email but not text. It can even fire off processes (I used it to run a script to reboot UPS's or reset Trango's in the early days). It can tell you if the device is totally down or if it has high latency. Easy to configure. Very straight-forward. - Original Message - From: KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:30 PM Subject: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App I need a cheap / easy app to monitor a temporary link setup. Must be able to monitor and Email / Txt me if there are any outages... Preferably Windows based, as I don't have time to do this one myself. What are you guys running? Thanks, Gary. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas?
Yea, it's wrong. Try something besides MCS14 or MCS15 on their calculator, or a better link calculator. I've got NB22's with +25 deployed at 10 miles. Regards Michael Baird http://www.ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Says that this would be a marginal signal at 10 miles. (16090 meters) for the PowerBridge M5 link margin 14.4 Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas? They have a Powerbridge M5 that includes a 25 db MIMO panel. Regards Michael Baird I wonder if any of you have experience with 5.8 GHz MIMO antennas. I'm trying to design a point-to-point link, about 10 miles, that will carry a high percentage of a whole network's backhaul. So I'd like it to go at about 80 Mbps, MCS 12 in 20 MHz. The UBNT SR71-15 card can plug into a Routerboard and thus feed two antennas, or a dual-polarized antenna. I'd rather have one antenna than two. I can find dual-feed 2' dishes, but they're on the large side, with wind load and visibility issues. And I see a lot of single-feed panels, which can handle 11a-type traffic. I can run Ethernet into an external radio that comes in a panel, but that adds a hop and more complexity, and frankly most of the specs don't match the SR71-15's. There will be at least three antennas at each end, possibly four (backhaul plus local access). MiniPCI radios in, say, an RB600 seem easier to deal with. But who makes a standalone 5.8 GHz dual-polarized panel, something the 22-25 dB range (13-16)? UBNT makes MIMO sector antennas, and makes panels with built-in radios, but it doesn't seem to have a PTP panel antenna to mate with the SR71-15. ARC has one that works with its built-in enclosure system; do I just leave the enclosure empty and route the cables through it? (Seems hokey.) RADwin has one designed for its own system; I don't know how well it would work otherwise and it's way expensive. Suggestions? Thanks! -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas?
The trouble with the Powerbridge is that it has the radio built in, and is thus an Ethernet hop away from the switch (probably a Routerboard), and one more active device to manage. Also, since a Ubiquiti card drives the radio, it can only run in Airmax or 802.11 mode, not however the Routerboard might be able to drive it (for exmmple, MT's new nv2 mode). What I want is the Powerbridge's antenna by itself! That would be exactly what I'm looking for. ARC Wireless makes a panel antenna for IES, but again that presumes a Routerboard-class radio built in. Would it work with just, uh, cable jumpers to an outboard radio? BTW I'm using RadioMobile to calculate paths, and while the one in question works, it is not a perfect one; it shows some Fresnel zone interference along the way, since it's hilly terrain. I may have to raise or lower the antenna a foot or two to avoid nulls. At 7/30/2010 11:59 AM, you wrote: Yea, it's wrong. Try something besides MCS14 or MCS15 on their calculator, or a better link calculator. I've got NB22's with +25 deployed at 10 miles. Regards Michael Baird http://www.ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Says that this would be a marginal signal at 10 miles. (16090 meters) for the PowerBridge M5 link margin 14.4 Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas? They have a Powerbridge M5 that includes a 25 db MIMO panel. Regards Michael Baird I wonder if any of you have experience with 5.8 GHz MIMO antennas. I'm trying to design a point-to-point link, about 10 miles, that will carry a high percentage of a whole network's backhaul. So I'd like it to go at about 80 Mbps, MCS 12 in 20 MHz. The UBNT SR71-15 card can plug into a Routerboard and thus feed two antennas, or a dual-polarized antenna. I'd rather have one antenna than two. I can find dual-feed 2' dishes, but they're on the large side, with wind load and visibility issues. And I see a lot of single-feed panels, which can handle 11a-type traffic. I can run Ethernet into an external radio that comes in a panel, but that adds a hop and more complexity, and frankly most of the specs don't match the SR71-15's. There will be at least three antennas at each end, possibly four (backhaul plus local access). MiniPCI radios in, say, an RB600 seem easier to deal with. But who makes a standalone 5.8 GHz dual-polarized panel, something the 22-25 dB range (13-16)? UBNT makes MIMO sector antennas, and makes panels with built-in radios, but it doesn't seem to have a PTP panel antenna to mate with the SR71-15. ARC has one that works with its built-in enclosure system; do I just leave the enclosure empty and route the cables through it? (Seems hokey.) RADwin has one designed for its own system; I don't know how well it would work otherwise and it's way expensive. Suggestions? Thanks! -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting
Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas?
Your right if you drop it to a MCS12 is a 28.4 Margin Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas? Yea, it's wrong. Try something besides MCS14 or MCS15 on their calculator, or a better link calculator. I've got NB22's with +25 deployed at 10 miles. Regards Michael Baird http://www.ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Says that this would be a marginal signal at 10 miles. (16090 meters) for the PowerBridge M5 link margin 14.4 Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas? They have a Powerbridge M5 that includes a 25 db MIMO panel. Regards Michael Baird I wonder if any of you have experience with 5.8 GHz MIMO antennas. I'm trying to design a point-to-point link, about 10 miles, that will carry a high percentage of a whole network's backhaul. So I'd like it to go at about 80 Mbps, MCS 12 in 20 MHz. The UBNT SR71-15 card can plug into a Routerboard and thus feed two antennas, or a dual-polarized antenna. I'd rather have one antenna than two. I can find dual-feed 2' dishes, but they're on the large side, with wind load and visibility issues. And I see a lot of single-feed panels, which can handle 11a-type traffic. I can run Ethernet into an external radio that comes in a panel, but that adds a hop and more complexity, and frankly most of the specs don't match the SR71-15's. There will be at least three antennas at each end, possibly four (backhaul plus local access). MiniPCI radios in, say, an RB600 seem easier to deal with. But who makes a standalone 5.8 GHz dual-polarized panel, something the 22-25 dB range (13-16)? UBNT makes MIMO sector antennas, and makes panels with built-in radios, but it doesn't seem to have a PTP panel antenna to mate with the SR71-15. ARC has one that works with its built-in enclosure system; do I just leave the enclosure empty and route the cables through it? (Seems hokey.) RADwin has one designed for its own system; I don't know how well it would work otherwise and it's way expensive. Suggestions? Thanks! -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas?
So you are wanting a dual pol panel with N male connectors? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 12:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas? The trouble with the Powerbridge is that it has the radio built in, and is thus an Ethernet hop away from the switch (probably a Routerboard), and one more active device to manage. Also, since a Ubiquiti card drives the radio, it can only run in Airmax or 802.11 mode, not however the Routerboard might be able to drive it (for exmmple, MT's new nv2 mode). What I want is the Powerbridge's antenna by itself! That would be exactly what I'm looking for. ARC Wireless makes a panel antenna for IES, but again that presumes a Routerboard-class radio built in. Would it work with just, uh, cable jumpers to an outboard radio? BTW I'm using RadioMobile to calculate paths, and while the one in question works, it is not a perfect one; it shows some Fresnel zone interference along the way, since it's hilly terrain. I may have to raise or lower the antenna a foot or two to avoid nulls. At 7/30/2010 11:59 AM, you wrote: Yea, it's wrong. Try something besides MCS14 or MCS15 on their calculator, or a better link calculator. I've got NB22's with +25 deployed at 10 miles. Regards Michael Baird http://www.ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Says that this would be a marginal signal at 10 miles. (16090 meters) for the PowerBridge M5 link margin 14.4 Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas? They have a Powerbridge M5 that includes a 25 db MIMO panel. Regards Michael Baird I wonder if any of you have experience with 5.8 GHz MIMO antennas. I'm trying to design a point-to-point link, about 10 miles, that will carry a high percentage of a whole network's backhaul. So I'd like it to go at about 80 Mbps, MCS 12 in 20 MHz. The UBNT SR71-15 card can plug into a Routerboard and thus feed two antennas, or a dual-polarized antenna. I'd rather have one antenna than two. I can find dual-feed 2' dishes, but they're on the large side, with wind load and visibility issues. And I see a lot of single-feed panels, which can handle 11a-type traffic. I can run Ethernet into an external radio that comes in a panel, but that adds a hop and more complexity, and frankly most of the specs don't match the SR71-15's. There will be at least three antennas at each end, possibly four (backhaul plus local access). MiniPCI radios in, say, an RB600 seem easier to deal with. But who makes a standalone 5.8 GHz dual-polarized panel, something the 22-25 dB range (13-16)? UBNT makes MIMO sector antennas, and makes panels with built-in radios, but it doesn't seem to have a PTP panel antenna to mate with the SR71-15. ARC has one that works with its built-in enclosure system; do I just leave the enclosure empty and route the cables through it? (Seems hokey.) RADwin has one designed for its own system; I don't know how well it would work otherwise and it's way expensive. Suggestions? Thanks! -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You!
Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas?
At 7/30/2010 12:21 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: So you are wanting a dual pol panel with N male connectors? Basically, yes, though it doesn't have to be N per se. (I'm not picky, so long as the whole thing is suitable for outdoor use in a seriously rugged climate with lots of lake effect snow.) BTW I do notice a Proxim three-polarization antenna, which I suppose could work with the SR71-A, but that seems like overkill, and it only has 17 dB gain, which puts it into the sector category. They also have a dual-pol 23 dB unit. They call these subscriber units but I suppose they could work anywhere. Of course the Proxim stuff comes at a Proxim price; I could probably gut a Powerbridge for half as much. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 12:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas? The trouble with the Powerbridge is that it has the radio built in, and is thus an Ethernet hop away from the switch (probably a Routerboard), and one more active device to manage. Also, since a Ubiquiti card drives the radio, it can only run in Airmax or 802.11 mode, not however the Routerboard might be able to drive it (for exmmple, MT's new nv2 mode). What I want is the Powerbridge's antenna by itself! That would be exactly what I'm looking for. ARC Wireless makes a panel antenna for IES, but again that presumes a Routerboard-class radio built in. Would it work with just, uh, cable jumpers to an outboard radio? BTW I'm using RadioMobile to calculate paths, and while the one in question works, it is not a perfect one; it shows some Fresnel zone interference along the way, since it's hilly terrain. I may have to raise or lower the antenna a foot or two to avoid nulls. At 7/30/2010 11:59 AM, you wrote: Yea, it's wrong. Try something besides MCS14 or MCS15 on their calculator, or a better link calculator. I've got NB22's with +25 deployed at 10 miles. Regards Michael Baird http://www.ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Says that this would be a marginal signal at 10 miles. (16090 meters) for the PowerBridge M5 link margin 14.4 Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas? They have a Powerbridge M5 that includes a 25 db MIMO panel. Regards Michael Baird I wonder if any of you have experience with 5.8 GHz MIMO antennas. I'm trying to design a point-to-point link, about 10 miles, that will carry a high percentage of a whole network's backhaul. So I'd like it to go at about 80 Mbps, MCS 12 in 20 MHz. The UBNT SR71-15 card can plug into a Routerboard and thus feed two antennas, or a dual-polarized antenna. I'd rather have one antenna than two. I can find dual-feed 2' dishes, but they're on the large side, with wind load and visibility issues. And I see a lot of single-feed panels, which can handle 11a-type traffic. I can run Ethernet into an external radio that comes in a panel, but that adds a hop and more complexity, and frankly most of the specs don't match the SR71-15's. There will be at least three antennas at each end, possibly four (backhaul plus local access). MiniPCI radios in, say, an RB600 seem easier to deal with. But who makes a standalone 5.8 GHz dual-polarized panel, something the 22-25 dB range (13-16)? UBNT makes MIMO sector antennas, and makes panels with built-in radios, but it doesn't seem to have a PTP panel antenna to mate with the SR71-15. ARC has one that works with its built-in enclosure system; do I just leave the enclosure empty and route the cables through it? (Seems hokey.) RADwin has one designed for its own system; I don't know how well it would work otherwise and it's way expensive. Suggestions? Thanks! -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas?
take a look at the Balticnetworks.com the are carrying to going to carry Maxxwave UBTik products appears to be a mounting system for routerboards to fit on the Ubiquiti antennas . and there are others who have deployed the Arc Wireless Dual Polatiry pannel antenna without any issues... MARS also makes nice dual polarity MIMO panels. Poynting is another company that makes a 20db panel for Miktorik router boards (titanwirelessonline.com ) ? Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/30/2010 12:14 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: The trouble with the Powerbridge is that it has the radio built in, and is thus an Ethernet hop away from the switch (probably a Routerboard), and one more active device to manage. Also, since a Ubiquiti card drives the radio, it can only run in Airmax or 802.11 mode, not however the Routerboard might be able to drive it (for exmmple, MT's new nv2 mode). What I want is the Powerbridge's antenna by itself! That would be exactly what I'm looking for. ARC Wireless makes a panel antenna for IES, but again that presumes a Routerboard-class radio built in. Would it work with just, uh, cable jumpers to an outboard radio? BTW I'm using RadioMobile to calculate paths, and while the one in question works, it is not a perfect one; it shows some Fresnel zone interference along the way, since it's hilly terrain. I may have to raise or lower the antenna a foot or two to avoid nulls. At 7/30/2010 11:59 AM, you wrote: Yea, it's wrong. Try something besides MCS14 or MCS15 on their calculator, or a better link calculator. I've got NB22's with +25 deployed at 10 miles. Regards Michael Baird http://www.ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Says that this would be a marginal signal at 10 miles. (16090 meters) for the PowerBridge M5 link margin 14.4 Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas? They have a Powerbridge M5 that includes a 25 db MIMO panel. Regards Michael Baird I wonder if any of you have experience with 5.8 GHz MIMO antennas. I'm trying to design a point-to-point link, about 10 miles, that will carry a high percentage of a whole network's backhaul. So I'd like it to go at about 80 Mbps, MCS 12 in 20 MHz. The UBNT SR71-15 card can plug into a Routerboard and thus feed two antennas, or a dual-polarized antenna. I'd rather have one antenna than two. I can find dual-feed 2' dishes, but they're on the large side, with wind load and visibility issues. And I see a lot of single-feed panels, which can handle 11a-type traffic. I can run Ethernet into an external radio that comes in a panel, but that adds a hop and more complexity, and frankly most of the specs don't match the SR71-15's. There will be at least three antennas at each end, possibly four (backhaul plus local access). MiniPCI radios in, say, an RB600 seem easier to deal with. But who makes a standalone 5.8 GHz dual-polarized panel, something the 22-25 dB range (13-16)? UBNT makes MIMO sector antennas, and makes panels with built-in radios, but it doesn't seem to have a PTP panel antenna to mate with the SR71-15. ARC has one that works with its built-in enclosure system; do I just leave the enclosure empty and route the cables through it? (Seems hokey.) RADwin has one designed for its own system; I don't know how well it would work otherwise and it's way expensive. Suggestions? Thanks! -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
[WISPA] Need a Trango P5055M-EXT single end
I think this is kosher since it's Friday and all... I need a single end of a Trango P5055m. EXT version (connectorized). Not the Atlas 5010m, the TLink45 P5055m. If anyone has one, please email me offlist with a price. Thanks, -- Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas?
Fred have you made a good quality link with Mikrotik using N-MiMo I own a set of MT units with R52HN cards that drove me crazy for about 3 weeks. Never made the MiMo work real well with MT. 2- PacWireless dual pol 2 ft dish with MT a both ends 12 miles. Could make them work as 802.11a but the N was very hard to get working right and never got the speeds that I needed. Was told that I had bad dishes or cables and not aligned right by company that I got the setup from after they worked on them for 4 hours one day remotely. Changed the radios to a old set of RadWin radios I had and went to 49MB in 15 seconds. Never got more than 18 meg out of the Mikrotiks. So now I have some extra MT 411ah cards that I will put in a AP somewhere and some R52NH that I don't have time to mess with. I will just use the RADWin stuff for critical links and UBNT stuff for secondary links. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 12:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas? At 7/30/2010 12:21 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: So you are wanting a dual pol panel with N male connectors? Basically, yes, though it doesn't have to be N per se. (I'm not picky, so long as the whole thing is suitable for outdoor use in a seriously rugged climate with lots of lake effect snow.) BTW I do notice a Proxim three-polarization antenna, which I suppose could work with the SR71-A, but that seems like overkill, and it only has 17 dB gain, which puts it into the sector category. They also have a dual-pol 23 dB unit. They call these subscriber units but I suppose they could work anywhere. Of course the Proxim stuff comes at a Proxim price; I could probably gut a Powerbridge for half as much. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 12:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas? The trouble with the Powerbridge is that it has the radio built in, and is thus an Ethernet hop away from the switch (probably a Routerboard), and one more active device to manage. Also, since a Ubiquiti card drives the radio, it can only run in Airmax or 802.11 mode, not however the Routerboard might be able to drive it (for exmmple, MT's new nv2 mode). What I want is the Powerbridge's antenna by itself! That would be exactly what I'm looking for. ARC Wireless makes a panel antenna for IES, but again that presumes a Routerboard-class radio built in. Would it work with just, uh, cable jumpers to an outboard radio? BTW I'm using RadioMobile to calculate paths, and while the one in question works, it is not a perfect one; it shows some Fresnel zone interference along the way, since it's hilly terrain. I may have to raise or lower the antenna a foot or two to avoid nulls. At 7/30/2010 11:59 AM, you wrote: Yea, it's wrong. Try something besides MCS14 or MCS15 on their calculator, or a better link calculator. I've got NB22's with +25 deployed at 10 miles. Regards Michael Baird http://www.ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Says that this would be a marginal signal at 10 miles. (16090 meters) for the PowerBridge M5 link margin 14.4 Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas? They have a Powerbridge M5 that includes a 25 db MIMO panel. Regards Michael Baird I wonder if any of you have experience with 5.8 GHz MIMO antennas. I'm trying to design a point-to-point link, about 10 miles, that will carry a high percentage of a whole network's backhaul. So I'd like it to go at about 80 Mbps, MCS 12 in 20 MHz. The UBNT SR71-15 card can plug into a Routerboard and thus feed two antennas, or a dual-polarized antenna. I'd rather have one antenna than two. I can find dual-feed 2' dishes, but they're on the large side, with wind load and visibility issues. And I see a lot of single-feed panels, which can handle 11a-type traffic. I can run Ethernet into an external radio that comes in a panel, but that adds a hop and more complexity, and frankly most of the specs don't match the SR71-15's. There will be at least three antennas at each end, possibly four (backhaul plus local access). MiniPCI radios in, say, an RB600 seem easier to deal with. But who makes a standalone 5.8 GHz dual-polarized panel, something the 22-25 dB range (13-16)? UBNT makes MIMO sector antennas, and makes panels with built-in radios,
Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas?
Mikrotik N has been disappointing to many. Has anyone had good results? On Jul 30, 2010 1:08 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Fred have you made a good quality link with Mikrotik using N-MiMo I own a set of MT units with R52HN cards that drove me crazy for about 3 weeks. Never made the MiMo work real well with MT. 2- PacWireless dual pol 2 ft dish with MT a both ends 12 miles. Could make them work as 802.11a but the N was very hard to get working right and never got the speeds that I needed. Was told that I had bad dishes or cables and not aligned right by company that I got the setup from after they worked on them for 4 hours one day remotely. Changed the radios to a old set of RadWin radios I had and went to 49MB in 15 seconds. Never got more than 18 meg out of the Mikrotiks. So now I have some extra MT 411ah cards that I will put in a AP somewhere and some R52NH that I don't have time to mess with. I will just use the RADWin stuff for critical links and UBNT stuff for secondary links. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@... Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 12:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
It can text too. For instance, my text email address is 2397706...@vtext.com. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App In the first couple years of my WISP, I used MultiPing. It can email but not text. It can even fire off processes (I used it to run a script to reboot UPS's or reset Trango's in the early days). It can tell you if the device is totally down or if it has high latency. Easy to configure. Very straight-forward. - Original Message - From: KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:30 PM Subject: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App I need a cheap / easy app to monitor a temporary link setup. Must be able to monitor and Email / Txt me if there are any outages... Preferably Windows based, as I don't have time to do this one myself. What are you guys running? Thanks, Gary. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
Scottie, There just weren't enough of us to stop things like that from happening. It's a chicken and egg thing. It takes members to get things done. Some don't want to join until we can point to positive results. I guess it's a matter of how far in the future do you want to look? If you don't look past the end of your nose you are right, WISPA is a waste of time. We do have an impact but it's still hard to quantify much of the time. If you can look years or decades down the road WISPA is a no brainer. After all, who else is speaking for you? Who else is working to make the complicated understandable? Not picking on your Scottie, you just happen to be the guy that brought this up this time Also, there IS a value in WISPA already. How much have you learned from the lists? What's it worth to be able to ask questions of the best experts in the industry, and have them answer you? Who pays for the servers and bandwidth so you can do that? Who pays for people's time so you can get your answers? If we all give a little of our time and a little of our money much good gets done. Since WISPA has been functional (around 2004) we've gotten Whitespaces, 3650, 255mhz of new 5 gig spectrum, relaxed antenna certification rules and more. WISPA was very involved in all of those items at an FCC level. We've also worked with the FBI for CALEA (believe me, if you knew all of the back story you'd be REALLY glad we did this), the UTC for some items and we've helped people reach out to their congress people. WISPA has gained a good reputation with many other organizations and with the FCC. Oh sure, some think of us as cowboys or clod hoppers from time to time. But we're always the most knowledgeable and most educated when it comes to unlicensed operations servicing real world customers in real world situations. I can't possibly find the words to sufficiently urge you to join. Look back at the dial-up and DSL portions of our industry if you'd like to see where WISPs will be in another 10 years without an effective and strong voice in DC. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever I agree with Fred on this. I have read many of his statements on cybertelecom's email list. If you are an ISP, I strongly recommend that you join it off of http://www.cybertelecom.org/ Since around 2002, maybe a little earlier, at the time of The Tauzin-Dingell Telecom Bill, the Congress, and the FCC pretty much did away with line sharing or the ability for us(ISP's) to use any lines provided by Ilec's( http://www.manymedia.com/futures/tauzding.html ). After this it lead to the Triennial Review. All this finally leads to the fact that the ILEC's do not even have to share their fiber. Fred may not agree with me on this, but as far as I can see it, the FCC and Congress have been out to do away with the small ISP's since around 2000. They have one agenda, that makes it even more sound is that in the last few months, the FCC has now classified broadband as 4 meg down/1 meg up. That not only has DE-classified many of the WISP as providing broadband, but also the satellite providers, and many DSL systems. I recently had an awakening, on the 2nd round BIP, that even though my company had coverage in the same area as a Rural Telco(Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative) they could apply for BIP, but I could not because they already had USDA funding as a Telco. Guess what? They received 16 million in grants and also received 16 million in low cost loans to provide FTTH in my coverage area. Call me what you will, but the FCC and everything behind them only want the duopoly of cable and telco to deal with. We are just pissing in the wind and it is why I have not joined WISPA yet. I may be missing the boat, but I am waiting for WISPA to prove me wrong. I have seen beyond and experienced beyond the norm. Show me something that I can have faith(and provide financial incentives) in or I will stay exactly where I am at and look for other income. Scottie Arnett Info-Ed, Inc. At 7/29/2010 08:01 AM, Brian wrote: Hit me off list and I can offer some suggestions. As I mentioned, the 75% rule only applies to wireline providers (i.e., cable), so mapping WISP coverage buys nothing. The Boucher-Terry bill has nothing in it to help WISPs and plenty to hurt them, including a rather high tax to support your competitors. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever I'd like to
Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify App
I used ATT text emails for years and it worked mostly. I just switched to Verizon last week but it send to be fine. On Jul 30, 2010 1:33 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: It can text too. For instance, my text email address is 2397706...@vtext.com. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On... Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitor / Notify Ap... In the first couple years of my WISP, I used MultiPing. It can email but not text. It can even fi... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fw: [WISPA CALEA Questions] [CALEA] CALEA Question
signatureFor those asking about the recent FCC statement that broadband is now defined as 4/1 meg. and how that relates (if at all) to CALEA requirements. The answer to that question is below. In a nutshell, it doesn't change anything because the new definition only applies to reported deployment rates not the legal requirement for CALEA intercepts. For those that didn't make the breakfast board meeting at St. Louis, Larry Bruss is the one that gave the CALEA standards update on my behalf. Hope this helps! marlon - Original Message - From: To: ca...@wispa.org Cc: caleaquesti...@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA CALEA Questions] [CALEA] CALEA Question Martha, Mike, Marlon, WISPA members, I have reviewed your EMail questions regarding the FCC's new definition of broadband and have discussed them with the DOJ's Office of General Counsel (OGC). OGC sent me the following response to your questions: The FCC has not changed its regulatory definition of broadband Internet access service provider. What changed most recently was that the FCC updated the standard it uses to determine whether households are served by broadband services. It uses this standard in its annual broadband deployment reports as mandated by section 706 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 to determine whether advanced telecommunications capability (a term it uses interchangeably with broadband) is being deployed to all Americans in a reasonable and timely fashion. This standard is supposed to evolve over time in order to accurately reflect the minimum speed necessary to stream high-quality video while leaving sufficient bandwidth for basic web browsing and e-mail. The FCC's determination clearly applies only to that report: As a result, we find that the 200 kbps threshold is no longer the appropriate benchmark for measuring broadband deployment for the purpose of this broadband deployment report. See para. 4 of the Sixth Broadband Deployment Report, FCC 10-129 (July 20, 2010), available at http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2010/db0720/FCC-10-129A1.pdf (emphasis added). This is stated unambiguously in footnote 46: We emphasize that we are benchmarking broadband in this report solely for purposes of complying with our obligations under section 706. We specifically do not intend this speed threshold to have any other regulatory significance under the Commission's rules absent subsequent Commission action. For example, today's report has no impact on which entities are classified as interconnected VoIP providers or what facilities must be provided on an unbundled basis. . . . By contrast, the FCC in its 2005 First Report and Order declared that CALEA applies to all broadband Internet access service providers. There, it stated that broadband is defined as 200 kbps, but we also include as 'broadband' - for purposes of CALEA only - those services such as satellite-based Internet access services that provide similar functionalities but at speeds less than 200 kbps. FCC 05-153 para. 24 n.74. That ruling is completely undisturbed by what Julius Knapp was talking about in his keynote, which was referring only to the definition of broadband used in the broadband deployment report. The FCC did not state and did not intend that the definition of the service covered by CALEA would evolve to correspond with the definition used in those reports. CALEA remains applicable to WISPs and all other facilities-based Internet access service providers as defined in 2005. I hope this clarifies Mr. Knapp's remarks and the on-line article referenced in previous Emails regarding CALEA and the definition of Broadband. Regards, Larry Bruss Telecommunications Engineer Tridea Works, LLC 1 503 343 9010 1 703 985 6711 From: calea-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:calea-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 5:17 AM To: ca...@wispa.org Cc: caleaquesti...@wispa.org; Michael Erskine Subject: Re: [CALEA] CALEA Question I can't believe that they are saying that even more Americans are not using broadband! I saw this article, completely ridiculous. Anyway I think we are still subject. I think it's anyone with a connection to the Internet. I bet they could come after people with dial-up. Maybe we should ask Larry though? Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter On 7/25/2010 11:35 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Anyone have a read on this? I didn't think CALEA was limited to broadband. If it is though.marlon - Original Message - From: Michael Erskine To: o...@odessaoffice.comSent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:29 AMSubject: CALEA Question Marlon; Since the FCC has redefined the term broadband again, I wonder whatimpact that
[WISPA] State Facilitators Needed
I would like to ask for volunteers from each State to facilitate further WISPA reach on a more local level. As you may or may not know, each state has a WISPA listserv, such as te...@wispa.org. You can subscribe to these lists if you operate a WISP in that state or if you are a college professor specializing in Broadband outreach or a State Government Broadband Coordinator or some equal level position. The purpose of these lists is to discuss localized State legislative issues, identify areas lacking Broadband Services, create peering opportunities between WISPs and any other issue that is concentrated on WISPs in any particular state. These lists are not open to Vendor Members who wish to market directly to a localized area. I am looking for a volunteer in each state that will identify all WISPs in their respective states and invite them to participate in your state list. I did this in Indiana about 4 years ago and identified 50 WISPs at the time and added them to the Indiana listserv. We then scheduled several meetings in Indianapolis in which all were invited and most participated. This outreach built some strong relationships and WISPs in our state got to know each other quite well. If you are willing to assist with this project, please contact me privately and I will discuss the methods to build list integrity and communication. I have found it very valuable to be able to reach out to a certain segment of WISP operators I have a lot in common with without bothering everyone on the members or wireless lists. You do not need to be a member of WISPA to participate on the State lists, but hopefully, WISPA will see a greater increased membership and will increase our lobbying efforts by doing this. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Generators
If you go propane/NG upsize quite a bit to have smooth power. Diesel's torque makes for smoother power output undering changing loads. Diesel can run full rated load of datacenter load. I went diesel (Cummins/Onan) for my datacenter. I put the generator inside to prevent winter fuel gelling, rodents, rust, etc... It's on a 275 gallon heating oil tank. Looks almost like new still after 10 years. There's a whole set of design requirements for having a generator inside, in terms of fire safety, fresh air flow for combusition and cooling, etc..., that's why most are outside. I was building from scratch, so I put it where I wanted it. Had a boatbuilder put a custom stainless steel exhaust on it coming out the side of the building. Get something that matches the voltage and phase your utility provides. Don't get a 1 phase for your 3phase service. Get an appropriate high quality auto transfter switch that can switch your whole datacenter over, not just select circuits. The transfer switch should also be able to exercize the generator on a schedule. Check the hour meter and fluids once in a while so you know it's exercizing properly and ready for use. On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 03:02:28PM -0400, Chuck Hogg wrote: Ok, so I am in the market for a Generator. Looking for probably 30-45kW. I've heard people say I need a PMG Exciter?? Anyone with experience in doing this? It's to support our datacenter, a few racks, a few 2200 UPS's and PDU's, and Cooling. I find all kinds of different ones on eBay and elsewhere, and am hoping someone already did the legwork and figured out everything they needed and can share? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Generators
A couple of things I added to our generator here (110KVA Perkins turbo diesel) which have really made life easier are a Murphy LM2000 Oil Level Maintainer http://www.fwmurphy.com/product_search/?p=lm2000 and a ControlByWeb X301 controller http://www.controlbyweb.com/x301/. I'm not sure if the X301 would be of much benefit for a WISP backup generator (it gives Ethernet based control and monitoring) but the Murphy Oil Level Maintainer probably would be handy. I installed our LM2000 by connecting to the oil drain port (where the drain plug was) for the oil connection and I vented the LM2000 back to the crankcase through the dipstick tube (after removing the dipstick of course). The only other connection is a hose going up to an overhead oil storage tank (5 gallon bucket in my case). The LM2000 has a big sight glass so you don't need the dipstick anymore and inside it has a float valve. It keeps the oil level just perfect. Here in the jungle our generator is our only power. The X 301 has a schedule and it starts and stops the generator automatically, and when lightning approaches we can shut it down via the web interface. With the oil level maintained we don't even have to go down to the plant house anymore except for period inspections and maintenance. Our generator has a DeepSea controller so it interfaces really nicely with the X301 and the heavy duty contactor. It's made for standby/backup operation. Greg On Jul 30, 2010, at 5:36 PM, jp wrote: If you go propane/NG upsize quite a bit to have smooth power. Diesel's torque makes for smoother power output undering changing loads. Diesel can run full rated load of datacenter load. I went diesel (Cummins/Onan) for my datacenter. I put the generator inside to prevent winter fuel gelling, rodents, rust, etc... It's on a 275 gallon heating oil tank. Looks almost like new still after 10 years. There's a whole set of design requirements for having a generator inside, in terms of fire safety, fresh air flow for combusition and cooling, etc..., that's why most are outside. I was building from scratch, so I put it where I wanted it. Had a boatbuilder put a custom stainless steel exhaust on it coming out the side of the building. Get something that matches the voltage and phase your utility provides. Don't get a 1 phase for your 3phase service. Get an appropriate high quality auto transfter switch that can switch your whole datacenter over, not just select circuits. The transfer switch should also be able to exercize the generator on a schedule. Check the hour meter and fluids once in a while so you know it's exercizing properly and ready for use. On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 03:02:28PM -0400, Chuck Hogg wrote: Ok, so I am in the market for a Generator. Looking for probably 30-45kW. I've heard people say I need a PMG Exciter?? Anyone with experience in doing this? It's to support our datacenter, a few racks, a few 2200 UPS's and PDU's, and Cooling. I find all kinds of different ones on eBay and elsewhere, and am hoping someone already did the legwork and figured out everything they needed and can share? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Generators
I'm concerned with Diesel. My first Mercedes Diesel quit when the fuel tank turned into a blob of algae. I had never heard of anything eating that stuff but a pilot friend in the Air Force said his plane had become clogged with algae. He told me to put in a quart of high detergent 10W-40 in every tank. It's worked for 30 years. ...just a thought that had never occurred to me. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 5:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Generators If you go propane/NG upsize quite a bit to have smooth power. Diesel's torque makes for smoother power output undering changing loads. Diesel can run full rated load of datacenter load. I went diesel (Cummins/Onan) for my datacenter. I put the generator inside to prevent winter fuel gelling, rodents, rust, etc... It's on a 275 gallon heating oil tank. Looks almost like new still after 10 years. There's a whole set of design requirements for having a generator inside, in terms of fire safety, fresh air flow for combusition and cooling, etc..., that's why most are outside. I was building from scratch, so I put it where I wanted it. Had a boatbuilder put a custom stainless steel exhaust on it coming out the side of the building. Get something that matches the voltage and phase your utility provides. Don't get a 1 phase for your 3phase service. Get an appropriate high quality auto transfter switch that can switch your whole datacenter over, not just select circuits. The transfer switch should also be able to exercize the generator on a schedule. Check the hour meter and fluids once in a while so you know it's exercizing properly and ready for use. On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 03:02:28PM -0400, Chuck Hogg wrote: Ok, so I am in the market for a Generator. Looking for probably 30-45kW. I've heard people say I need a PMG Exciter?? Anyone with experience in doing this? It's to support our datacenter, a few racks, a few 2200 UPS's and PDU's, and Cooling. I find all kinds of different ones on eBay and elsewhere, and am hoping someone already did the legwork and figured out everything they needed and can share? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Generators
There are professional treatments. I've not tried any but in googling for oil additives for other issues (stuck rings/excessive blowby) and I came across them. Greg On Jul 30, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Jonathan Schmidt wrote: I'm concerned with Diesel. My first Mercedes Diesel quit when the fuel tank turned into a blob of algae. I had never heard of anything eating that stuff but a pilot friend in the Air Force said his plane had become clogged with algae. He told me to put in a quart of high detergent 10W-40 in every tank. It's worked for 30 years. ...just a thought that had never occurred to me. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 5:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Generators If you go propane/NG upsize quite a bit to have smooth power. Diesel's torque makes for smoother power output undering changing loads. Diesel can run full rated load of datacenter load. I went diesel (Cummins/Onan) for my datacenter. I put the generator inside to prevent winter fuel gelling, rodents, rust, etc... It's on a 275 gallon heating oil tank. Looks almost like new still after 10 years. There's a whole set of design requirements for having a generator inside, in terms of fire safety, fresh air flow for combusition and cooling, etc..., that's why most are outside. I was building from scratch, so I put it where I wanted it. Had a boatbuilder put a custom stainless steel exhaust on it coming out the side of the building. Get something that matches the voltage and phase your utility provides. Don't get a 1 phase for your 3phase service. Get an appropriate high quality auto transfter switch that can switch your whole datacenter over, not just select circuits. The transfer switch should also be able to exercize the generator on a schedule. Check the hour meter and fluids once in a while so you know it's exercizing properly and ready for use. On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 03:02:28PM -0400, Chuck Hogg wrote: Ok, so I am in the market for a Generator. Looking for probably 30-45kW. I've heard people say I need a PMG Exciter?? Anyone with experience in doing this? It's to support our datacenter, a few racks, a few 2200 UPS's and PDU's, and Cooling. I find all kinds of different ones on eBay and elsewhere, and am hoping someone already did the legwork and figured out everything they needed and can share? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
It seemed to me like when I was paying for health insurance for my family it was a huge waste of money. I'm from England. In England, if you buy insurance for something it covers you. Over here in the US it always seems to cover you UP TO a certain dollar amount, IF the wind is blowing in the right direction. So it never takes all the risk away. Same with car insurance, house insurance, health insurance, etc. Another thing is, if you go to hospital, and you pay cash for your treatment, it costs a fraction of what they would have charged to the insurance company. And another problem was, since I was only paying about a hundred dollars a month for coverage, the insurance covered only 80% of my treatment, AFTER the first $5,000 and only did that if it was in network. So with insurance, I'd end up paying maybe 20% of $100,000 instead of 100% of $40,000 or something plus the $5000 deductable. I don't know the percentages or the numbers, but it seemed like it was a whole lot of expense for only a very small amount of coverage. I had a friend who had a triple heart bypass. They gave him the bill for loadsa money, assuming he would pay it over a long period of time. When he said he was paying cash outright, it cost a tiny fraction of the amount the bill was for. So, all things considered, it seemed to me like I was paying a lot of money for almost no coverage. So what we did was, instead of paying a hundred bucks a month to our health insurance, we paid a hundred bucks a month into our savings account, to cover emergency costs. The great thing about this is, the savings cover ANY emergency, not just a broken bone, but if a tornado tears the house down, or car crash or getting sued or whatever. Seems like health insurance was approximately equal to throwing our money down the drain. Thanks, Roger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
That is very interesting... it is the first time I am hearing as such... Our experience has been on the contrary... Without the insurance company's pre-netogitated discounts, it is impossible to get a reasonable bill.. more like.. They stick to you as a cash paying customer.. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/30/2010 9:20 PM, Roger Howard wrote: I had a friend who had a triple heart bypass. They gave him the bill for loadsa money, assuming he would pay it over a long period of time. When he said he was paying cash outright, it cost a tiny fraction of the amount the bill was for. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
We are cash pay. Regular DR visits are half of what the quoted rate is. Hospital is pretty much the same way. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance That is very interesting... it is the first time I am hearing as such... Our experience has been on the contrary... Without the insurance company's pre-netogitated discounts, it is impossible to get a reasonable bill.. more like.. They stick to you as a cash paying customer.. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/30/2010 9:20 PM, Roger Howard wrote: I had a friend who had a triple heart bypass. They gave him the bill for loadsa money, assuming he would pay it over a long period of time. When he said he was paying cash outright, it cost a tiny fraction of the amount the bill was for. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
With Doctor's private practice yes, they do that.. from Insurance Companies they only get about 20% to 30% of the standard rate.. It is the hospitals which have been the issue... they claim that their medicare payments are based on a discount schedule of the Standard Rate Interesting to know.. BTW, what city are you in ? ... It could what we see is a Metro Area issue... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/31/2010 12:34 AM, Blake Bowers wrote: We are cash pay. Regular DR visits are half of what the quoted rate is. Hospital is pretty much the same way. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net To:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance That is very interesting... it is the first time I am hearing as such... Our experience has been on the contrary... Without the insurance company's pre-netogitated discounts, it is impossible to get a reasonable bill.. more like.. They stick to you as a cash paying customer.. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/30/2010 9:20 PM, Roger Howard wrote: I had a friend who had a triple heart bypass. They gave him the bill for loadsa money, assuming he would pay it over a long period of time. When he said he was paying cash outright, it cost a tiny fraction of the amount the bill was for. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
