Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor
You could just stick one of these in: http://alyrica.net/net_hatchet Kevin - Original Message - From: Chuck Profito To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor the most inexpensive is in your trash pile, a power pinger, or CB3 radio, plug it in on the line side of the UPS and just ping it every minute and you will know when you are on battery. Conversely for a generator. also a camera facing a set of gages, voltage, line, generator, oil pressure, temp, etc. Your probably too young to remember the "cable weather channel" same thing but with music. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Troy Settle Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:45 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor We've recently installed generators at several sites, but have not yet found an affordable solution for monitoring them. Does anyone know of a simple product that will enable me to monitor these things? Everything I've found is super expensive. All I really need, is a simple device that can be wired into the alarm contacts on the transfer switch. I'm not (yet) concerned about monitoring other metrics. Thanks, -- Troy Settle, Network Administrator The Wired Road Authority 1117 E. Stuart Dr. Galax, VA 24333 (276) 238-0049 (office) (276) 237-3890 (cell) tset...@thewiredroad.net -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor the most inexpensive is in your trash pile, a power pinger, or CB3 radio, plug it in on the line side of the UPS and just ping it every minute and you will know when you are on battery. Conversely for a generator. also a camera facing a set of gages, voltage, line, generator, oil pressure, temp, etc. Your probably too young to remember the "cable weather channel" same thing but with music. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Troy Settle Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:45 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor We've recently installed generators at several sites, but have not yet found an affordable solution for monitoring them. Does anyone know of a simple product that will enable me to monitor these things? Everything I've found is super expensive. All I really need, is a simple device that can be wired into the alarm contacts on the transfer switch. I'm not (yet) concerned about monitoring other metrics. Thanks, -- Troy Settle, Network Administrator The Wired Road Authority 1117 E. Stuart Dr. Galax, VA 24333 (276) 238-0049 (office) (276) 237-3890 (cell) tset...@thewiredroad.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor
the most inexpensive is in your trash pile, a power pinger, or CB3 radio, plug it in on the line side of the UPS and just ping it every minute and you will know when you are on battery. Conversely for a generator. also a camera facing a set of gages, voltage, line, generator, oil pressure, temp, etc. Your probably too young to remember the "cable weather channel" same thing but with music. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Troy Settle Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:45 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor We've recently installed generators at several sites, but have not yet found an affordable solution for monitoring them. Does anyone know of a simple product that will enable me to monitor these things? Everything I've found is super expensive. All I really need, is a simple device that can be wired into the alarm contacts on the transfer switch. I'm not (yet) concerned about monitoring other metrics. Thanks, -- Troy Settle, Network Administrator The Wired Road Authority 1117 E. Stuart Dr. Galax, VA 24333 (276) 238-0049 (office) (276) 237-3890 (cell) tset...@thewiredroad.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics
Don't forget default (and currently ONLY) channel width of 100 Mhz =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Brian Webster wrote: > The good thing about this band is that free space loss is your best friend > with regards to interference. Any use in this band to get an appreciable > amount of signal requires very narrow beamwidth antennas to keep the power > levels up to a point to overcome the attenuation through space. Couple those > tighter patterns with the fact that the signal falls off very rapidly in > free space and you have a greatly reduced opportunity for interference. I do > agree with you on the channel width that many people will waste capacity > only because they can. > > Thank You, > Brian Webster > www.wirelessmapping.com > www.Broadband-Mapping.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:06 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics > > Any way you look at it, the UBNT 24Ghz product is a game changer. Its > bringing a price point, that will mass excellerate the adoption of 24Ghz > use. > At that price, there are 1000s of uses. Its very exciting. Its also a big > bonus that it is MIMO, which should give it a good link budget, compared to > the methods other technologies use to accommodate dual pol. > > What I dont like about it is that it uses to much spectrum and is to fast, > which will cause parties to deploy faster speeds than they need, simply > because they can, and cause more interference in urban areas, and reduce the > number of links in an area. Often people incorrectly think that millimeter > is like inteference free. What they forget is the low range is based on Rain > fade, but when its not raining the signal goes very far, and reflections can > reflect all over the place, even though narrow beamwidth. > > But there will still be a strong market for other products like SAF. For > example, windloading and mounting. I jsut bought a SAF radio for that > reason, where the 1ft dish option was preferred. > SAF also has 256QAM support, quite a bit more efficient than UBNT's 64QAM > limit, allowing high speed in smaller channels, allowing more radios to be > colocated at a single site. > > I think UBNT's marketing is their typical overstated marketing.. Just like > AIRMAX 5.8 where they promote as 300mb, when in reallity Dual Pol 20Mhz > channels, the common size that can be used, yields more like between 40mb > and 80mb depending on link budget and noise floor. So in doing apples to > apples comparisons, its important to take that into consideration. For > example, a 13mile link just isn't going to happen in my rain zone, but might > be doable in the desert. With 2ft dishes, I dare not go over 2-1/4 miles, > and still prefer under 1.5m. > > I believe the UBNT 24 product will also put a hurting on the 60Ghz market. > > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics
The good thing about this band is that free space loss is your best friend with regards to interference. Any use in this band to get an appreciable amount of signal requires very narrow beamwidth antennas to keep the power levels up to a point to overcome the attenuation through space. Couple those tighter patterns with the fact that the signal falls off very rapidly in free space and you have a greatly reduced opportunity for interference. I do agree with you on the channel width that many people will waste capacity only because they can. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics Any way you look at it, the UBNT 24Ghz product is a game changer. Its bringing a price point, that will mass excellerate the adoption of 24Ghz use. At that price, there are 1000s of uses. Its very exciting. Its also a big bonus that it is MIMO, which should give it a good link budget, compared to the methods other technologies use to accommodate dual pol. What I dont like about it is that it uses to much spectrum and is to fast, which will cause parties to deploy faster speeds than they need, simply because they can, and cause more interference in urban areas, and reduce the number of links in an area. Often people incorrectly think that millimeter is like inteference free. What they forget is the low range is based on Rain fade, but when its not raining the signal goes very far, and reflections can reflect all over the place, even though narrow beamwidth. But there will still be a strong market for other products like SAF. For example, windloading and mounting. I jsut bought a SAF radio for that reason, where the 1ft dish option was preferred. SAF also has 256QAM support, quite a bit more efficient than UBNT's 64QAM limit, allowing high speed in smaller channels, allowing more radios to be colocated at a single site. I think UBNT's marketing is their typical overstated marketing.. Just like AIRMAX 5.8 where they promote as 300mb, when in reallity Dual Pol 20Mhz channels, the common size that can be used, yields more like between 40mb and 80mb depending on link budget and noise floor. So in doing apples to apples comparisons, its important to take that into consideration. For example, a 13mile link just isn't going to happen in my rain zone, but might be doable in the desert. With 2ft dishes, I dare not go over 2-1/4 miles, and still prefer under 1.5m. I believe the UBNT 24 product will also put a hurting on the 60Ghz market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics
JJ Boyd has quite a few pictures on his blog. http://www.3dbwireless.com/boyd/?p=647 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics
Any way you look at it, the UBNT 24Ghz product is a game changer. Its bringing a price point, that will mass excellerate the adoption of 24Ghz use. At that price, there are 1000s of uses. Its very exciting. Its also a big bonus that it is MIMO, which should give it a good link budget, compared to the methods other technologies use to accommodate dual pol. What I dont like about it is that it uses to much spectrum and is to fast, which will cause parties to deploy faster speeds than they need, simply because they can, and cause more interference in urban areas, and reduce the number of links in an area. Often people incorrectly think that millimeter is like inteference free. What they forget is the low range is based on Rain fade, but when its not raining the signal goes very far, and reflections can reflect all over the place, even though narrow beamwidth. But there will still be a strong market for other products like SAF. For example, windloading and mounting. I jsut bought a SAF radio for that reason, where the 1ft dish option was preferred. SAF also has 256QAM support, quite a bit more efficient than UBNT's 64QAM limit, allowing high speed in smaller channels, allowing more radios to be colocated at a single site. I think UBNT's marketing is their typical overstated marketing.. Just like AIRMAX 5.8 where they promote as 300mb, when in reallity Dual Pol 20Mhz channels, the common size that can be used, yields more like between 40mb and 80mb depending on link budget and noise floor. So in doing apples to apples comparisons, its important to take that into consideration. For example, a 13mile link just isn't going to happen in my rain zone, but might be doable in the desert. With 2ft dishes, I dare not go over 2-1/4 miles, and still prefer under 1.5m. I believe the UBNT 24 product will also put a hurting on the 60Ghz market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor
Call your generator manufacturer or reseller and ask about a fault/run relay board. We ordered relay boards for our Kohler generators for only $200 ish. http://www.apelectric.com/GM53102-KP1-Kohler-Common-fault-relay-p/gm53102-kp1.htm The boards relay run/faults to a APC AP9631 card that is setup to email out or dump into SNMP or Syslog. -Eric On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Troy Settle wrote: > We’ve recently installed generators at several sites, but have not yet > found an affordable solution for monitoring them. Does anyone know of a > simple product that will enable me to monitor these things? Everything > I’ve found is super expensive. All I really need, is a simple device that > can be wired into the alarm contacts on the transfer switch. I’m not (yet) > concerned about monitoring other metrics. > > ** ** > > Thanks, > > ** ** > > -- > > Troy Settle, Network Administrator > > The Wired Road Authority > > 1117 E. Stuart Dr. > > Galax, VA 24333 > > (276) 238-0049 (office) > > (276) 237-3890 (cell) > > tset...@thewiredroad.net > > ** ** > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor
We're getting a generator for a remote site equipped with remote monitoring. Not sure if the Cummins system will retrofit onto an existing generator. http://cumminspower.com/en/products/networks/ http://www.cumminspower.com/www/common/templatehtml/technicaldocument/SpecSheets/Networks/na/s-1518.pdf --- Paul Gerstenberger Communications Specialist Hood River Electric Cooperative Communications Access Cooperative On Mar 27, 2012, at 6:05 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote: > I use a ControlByWeb X301(two inputs, two outputs) for remote control and > monitoring. It can do SNMP as well as email alerts (not via SSL). They have > other products that are just monitoring as well but they have multiple > inputs. It may be more than you're looking for. However their support is > great and their product is solid. > > http://www.controlbyweb.com/ > > I am not affiliated or associated with them in any way. I'm just a satisfied > customer. > > Greg > > On Mar 27, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Troy Settle wrote: > >> We’ve recently installed generators at several sites, but have not yet found >> an affordable solution for monitoring them. Does anyone know of a simple >> product that will enable me to monitor these things? Everything I’ve found >> is super expensive. All I really need, is a simple device that can be wired >> into the alarm contacts on the transfer switch. I’m not (yet) concerned >> about monitoring other metrics. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Troy Settle, Network Administrator >> The Wired Road Authority >> 1117 E. Stuart Dr. >> Galax, VA 24333 >> (276) 238-0049 (office) >> (276) 237-3890 (cell) >> tset...@thewiredroad.net >> >> ___ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor
I use a ControlByWeb X301(two inputs, two outputs) for remote control and monitoring. It can do SNMP as well as email alerts (not via SSL). They have other products that are just monitoring as well but they have multiple inputs. It may be more than you're looking for. However their support is great and their product is solid. http://www.controlbyweb.com/ I am not affiliated or associated with them in any way. I'm just a satisfied customer. Greg On Mar 27, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Troy Settle wrote: > We’ve recently installed generators at several sites, but have not yet found > an affordable solution for monitoring them. Does anyone know of a simple > product that will enable me to monitor these things? Everything I’ve found > is super expensive. All I really need, is a simple device that can be wired > into the alarm contacts on the transfer switch. I’m not (yet) concerned > about monitoring other metrics. > > Thanks, > > -- > Troy Settle, Network Administrator > The Wired Road Authority > 1117 E. Stuart Dr. > Galax, VA 24333 > (276) 238-0049 (office) > (276) 237-3890 (cell) > tset...@thewiredroad.net > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor
Found the article.. it was Greg Sowell http://gregsowell.com/?p=2093 Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet& Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 3/27/2012 8:45 AM, Troy Settle wrote: We've recently installed generators at several sites, but have not yet found an affordable solution for monitoring them. Does anyone know of a simple product that will enable me to monitor these things? Everything I've found is super expensive. All I really need, is a simple device that can be wired into the alarm contacts on the transfer switch. I'm not (yet) concerned about monitoring other metrics. Thanks, -- Troy Settle, Network Administrator The Wired Road Authority 1117 E. Stuart Dr. Galax, VA 24333 (276) 238-0049 (office) (276) 237-3890 (cell) tset...@thewiredroad.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor
There have been some discussions on this previously on the list. if you Google, there was one blog listing on how to hook up a Mikrotik Ethernet port (loopback plug) into a alarm contact rely, and then monitor for port condition..Which I thought was pretty slick... Can't get any cheaper than that... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet& Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 3/27/2012 8:45 AM, Troy Settle wrote: We've recently installed generators at several sites, but have not yet found an affordable solution for monitoring them. Does anyone know of a simple product that will enable me to monitor these things? Everything I've found is super expensive. All I really need, is a simple device that can be wired into the alarm contacts on the transfer switch. I'm not (yet) concerned about monitoring other metrics. Thanks, -- Troy Settle, Network Administrator The Wired Road Authority 1117 E. Stuart Dr. Galax, VA 24333 (276) 238-0049 (office) (276) 237-3890 (cell) tset...@thewiredroad.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor
We've recently installed generators at several sites, but have not yet found an affordable solution for monitoring them. Does anyone know of a simple product that will enable me to monitor these things? Everything I've found is super expensive. All I really need, is a simple device that can be wired into the alarm contacts on the transfer switch. I'm not (yet) concerned about monitoring other metrics. Thanks, -- Troy Settle, Network Administrator The Wired Road Authority 1117 E. Stuart Dr. Galax, VA 24333 (276) 238-0049 (office) (276) 237-3890 (cell) tset...@thewiredroad.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
