[WISPA] Scott Stevens

[John Scrivner]

This note just came up on Scott Steven's Facebook page:

On a mountain top, overlooking the ocean, at a tower site in Northern
Washington on Monday, October 15th, Scottie sadly took his own life. They
say the spot was beautiful, and everyone knows that broadband technology
was his passion; perhaps he is finally at peace.

He left behind three children; Sahara, Tate, and Ty. His dad Jay, mom Deb,
brothers Shawn and Chad, and his sister Jenny. And many family and friends
who will miss him dearly.

There will be a gathering to share stories, look at pictures of his life,
write messages that will be carried away by balloons, journal memories in a
notebook that will be given to his boys Tate and Ty and his daughter
Sahara, and embrace all of those who lost him.

All are welcome, his kids deserve the opportunity to know their dad through
your experiences with him. His laughter was contagious, his mind was
brilliant, and like us all...sometimes, he could be a bit of a punk; no
matter your history with him, come share your stories and hear all of ours.

An event will be created soon and the invitation is open to all. We will
open the house up to guests on November 3rd, 2018 (Saturday). We would love
locals to bring a dish to share too!!

November 3, 2018 (11/3/18)
Location: Hood River, OR
*Address will be in event details.
Time: 1pm to closing:)

Please feel free to message any of us for additional details:

Tricia Stevens

Chad Stevens

Juris Stevens

 (Jay)

We are all very sad and this is very difficult for the boys who are 11 & 9,
and Sahara who is 19.
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[WISPA] Prayers for Mac Dearman

[John Scrivner]

I am certain he does not want any big attention about this but I am posting
it anyway. Mac Dearman is having heart bypass surgery this morning. I know
many of you know Mac on here so please say a prayer for an old friend to be
healed. Mac was one of the founding members of WISPA and led the efforts to
put Mississippi and Louisiana back together post-Katrina. He is still
operating his WISP in Rayville, LA and he is a dear friend to me and many
others.
Thank you,
John Scrivner
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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider

[John Scrivner]

Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do
you have contact information for them?
John Scrivner




On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph  wrote:

> We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for
> years.
> Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks.
>
> Who is using something they can recommend?
>
> Requirements:
>
> Work with Mikrotik hotspot.
> Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings,
> login pages, etc.
> Handles various payment plans and time limits.
> Supports Authorize.net
> Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do.
>
> Nice to haves:
> Can support auto login by MAC
> Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account.
> Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If
> limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use
> all 6 Mbps simultaneously.)
>
> MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals
> Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take
> custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ralph
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Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

[John Scrivner]

Could you share details about Wavion? How many customers on an AP? Is it
omni or secotor? MIMO? Do they have AP and client devices? Longest customer
link? Latency results average/max/min on longest shot? Do they only use
plain vanilla Wifi or some scheduled TDMA variant (like UBNT AirMAX or
Proxim WARP or old Karlnet stuff)? Max raw TCP throughput per sector? How
many deployments? Anything like this would be very valuable. I liked to
hearing about all Wavion was supposed to be able to do when I saw them at a
show but I am always hesitant to believe anything that is pure Wifi can be
a real outdoor delivery platform. Very interested to hear your results
about this device.
Thank you,
Scriv


On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Tyson Shreeves  wrote:

> We have had good luck with a couple of wavion AP's.  They can b a little
> pricey though.
>
> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
>
>
> Josh Luthman  wrote:
>
> Huawei?  Canadian WISP is doing 3.5 GHz with their stuff.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 26, 2013 12:31 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> There's Cambium, WiFi, LTE and WiMAX that I can think of.
>>
>> Alvarion has recently come out with a higher capacity AP (LTE?), but I'd
>> consider it to be at the new bar for average. Otherwise, WiMAX and LTE are
>> generally too low of throughput to be useful.
>>
>> I don't think anyone has really enough of a differentiator in the WiFi
>> space to not use UBNT or Mikrotik. UBNT is cheap and generally works.
>> Mikrotik has their whole RouterOS behind it and generally works.
>>
>> Cambium is the only thing I can think of that's doing their own thing. It
>> looks really good if only the APs were 90% less expensive.
>>
>> 100 meg of throughput on an AP is really the minimum to be considered. I
>> have areas where I could put something multiples higher to use.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Matt Jenkins" 
>> To: us...@wug.cc, "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:36:26 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
>>
>> Besides Cambium, Mikrotik, Ubnt and other WiFi products, is anyone
>> successfully deploying something else to service both residential and
>> business customers?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA's recent

[John Scrivner]

VERY NICE    BRAVO !  If a carpenter could drive a hammer squarely
against the head of a nail with the same strength and precision as the
points made below to the FCC then there would be no need for pneumatic nail
guns and every nail would be deeply set with one swing! You do good work,
Jack Unger! Thank you!
Scriv


On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:

>  *applause*
>
> On 09/23/2012 11:22 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
>
> Section 706 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, as amended (1996 Act),
> requires the FCC to determine and report annually on “whether advanced
> telecommunications capability is being deployed to all Americans in a
> reasonable and timely fashion.
>
> As part of their reporting obligation, the FCC issued a Notice of Inquiry
> (NOI) to gather information in this proceeding and WISPA's FCC Committee
> decided to use this NOI  to restate for the public record some of the
> significant points that WISPA has made recently in other filings. Our
> filing emphasized the following points.
>
> 1. WISPs provide fixed wireless broadband service to more that 3 million
> people in the U.S.
>
> 2. In large sections of some states (we used Texas and Illinois as
> examples) WISPs are the only terrestrial broadband providers.
>
> 3. In other areas where WISPs do have terrestrial broadband competition,
> WISP networks are largely unsubsidized and built with private funding.
>
> 4. In many areas, WISPs provide broadband service that is comparable in
> speed, latency and data capacity to wired broadband service.
>
> 5. The FCC should act to make more unlicensed spectrum available including
> in the TV White Spaces, 3.55 GHz, 4.9 GHz and 5 GHz bands.
>
> 6. When setting Connect America Fund (CAF) rules, the FCC should make sure
> that subsidies do not go to providers who would use those subsidies to
> compete with WISPs.
>
> 7. WISPs (who are unsubsidized) should not have to contribute to CAF
> funding.
>
> 8. WISPs should have access to funding from the Remote Areas Fund (RAF).
>
> 9. Carriers who receive CAF support should be required to provide access
> to their backhaul networks to WISPs who want to supply broadband to nearby
> unserved areas.
>
> 10. The National Broadband Map should be the sole source of information
> about broadband availability. The FCC should encourage all states to use
> common data collection and verification techniques so that data in the
> National Broadband Map is consistently shown from state to state.
>
> A copy of WISPA's filing is attached.
>
> Respectfully Submitted,
>
> Jack Unger
> Consultant to WISPA's FCC Committee
> 760-678-5033
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Goodbye to Whitespace for WISP's uses?

[John Scrivner]

OkI hit send before I saw this one. No worries. Have a good weekend my
friend.
Scriv


On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Doug Clark  wrote:

> Sorry John, this should have been directed @ Tim.
>
>
>
>
>  *---Original Message---*
>
>  *From:* Doug Clark 
> *Date:* 9/29/2012 7:43:43 AM
> *To:* j...@mvn.net;  WISPA General List 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Goodbye to Whitespace for WISP's uses?
>
>  John, What delusional world are you living in to think that our
> government ever had the publics best interest at heart?  I wished it was
> so, but the reality is simply
> that the government will go down the road making mistake after mistake
> and giving in to Large Corporations that support them personally
> financially.
> What is best for the American public is "Z" on the list of almost
> every member that is in a position to shape the future and especially last
> on the list for this
> administration!  We will be lucky to have a couple of frequencies with
> heavy handed rules in place to use them..
>
>
>
>
>  *---Original Message---*
>
>  *From:* John Scrivner 
> *Date:* 9/28/2012 8:14:44 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Goodbye to Whitespace for WISP's uses?
>
> The auctioning of SOME of the TVWS was set in stone by the FCC broadband
> plan and I by legislative mandate. There was a push by House Republicans to
> sell off ALL the TVWS to the highest bidders, leaving ZERO for unlicensed
> use. The Democratic controlled Senate prevailed and held strong to allowing
> a mix of incentive auctioned and unlicensed use of the TVWS. Having some
> beats having none.
> Scriv
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Tim Reichhart  wrote:
>
> Hey Guys
>
> I just seen this article and I just wanted to pass it along:
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57522584-38/fcc-kicks-off-effort-to-reclaim-tv-spectrum-for-wireless/
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Wanted to get your thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> My thoughts is that all mobile carriers will buy all the whitespaces
> before we “WISP’s” even get to get play in the whitespaces.
>
> ** **
>
> Tim
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Re: [WISPA] Goodbye to Whitespace for WISP's uses?

[John Scrivner]

The auctioning of SOME of the TVWS was set in stone by the FCC broadband
plan and I by legislative mandate. There was a push by House Republicans to
sell off ALL the TVWS to the highest bidders, leaving ZERO for unlicensed
use. The Democratic controlled Senate prevailed and held strong to allowing
a mix of incentive auctioned and unlicensed use of the TVWS. Having some
beats having none.
Scriv



On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Tim Reichhart  wrote:

>  Hey Guys
>
> I just seen this article and I just wanted to pass it along:
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57522584-38/fcc-kicks-off-effort-to-reclaim-tv-spectrum-for-wireless/
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Wanted to get your thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> My thoughts is that all mobile carriers will buy all the whitespaces
> before we “WISP’s” even get to get play in the whitespaces.
>
> ** **
>
> Tim
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Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!

[John Scrivner]

What's that supposed to mean?
Scriv


On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> I guess the reference to not being a government player back then depends
> on what entity you're talking about.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jack Unger" 
> To: "WISPA General List" , "WISPA's FCC Committee" <
> fcccommit...@wispa.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:51:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!
>
>
> I see sending any kind of WISPA "release" as just election-year political
> gamesmanship that is likely to hurt us more than help us.
>
> This so-called "tax" is just being shifted from voice to broadband. The
> FCC's job (as mandated by Congress) is to extend broadband to everyone.
>
> Further, I don't agree that the FCC is trying to put us out of business.
> The USF tables have been heavily tilted against us because in the past
> (like 5 years ago) WISPs were not a "player" at the government level. We
> were not organized enough then to show up and make our voice heard. Now we
> are organized, our voice is being heard and we're making pretty decent
> headway. I'd say we stick to our business of advocating effectively to
> advance our industry and leave the "tax and spend" gamesmanship to the
> professional politicians.
>
> jack
>
>
>
> On 8/29/2012 11:24 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
>
>
> I wonder if it would benefit us to send a "New Tax Coming to a Constituent
> Near You" release where in this era of taxes being waged to pay off debt, a
> new tax is being proposed by the FCC to the broadband industry which will
> only serve to subsidize the telephone industry with broadband deriving zero
> benefit? Instead of defensive it's a pro-active move where politicians
> running under a no new taxes platform will have to roll it in.
>
> I know the FCC wouldn't be thrilled with us but we've felt all along the
> USF to CAF conversion was just the FCC helping the Telco industry to do a
> hostile takeover of our broadband industry with government aid and we
> shouldn't be afraid to say it.
>
> Forbes
>
> On 8/28/2012 2:28 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
>
> Throw out that word "tax" and everyone gets all excited but this is really
> old news and not really any news at all. Just the transition of the USF
> program (subsidies to extend phone service to rural areas) into the CAF
> program where the subsidies will now go to extend broadband service to the
> boonies. WISPA has made a ton of FCC filings on this already. Most of them
> are defensive in nature (preventing WISPs from being overbuilt) but a few
> are offensive - trying to open up the possibilities for WISPs that want
> subsidies (most don't) to get them.
>
> jack
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2012 1:20 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.ijreview.com/2012/08/13896-fcc-may-soon-tax-internet-service/
>
>
>
> Jim Patient
>
> Link Technologies, Inc.
>
> 314-735-0270 x102
>
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>
> http://towercoverage.com
>
> http://www.linktechs.net
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Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] RE: FCC broadband deployment report

[John Scrivner]

Doh! I guess this is what happened. I did all my upgrades and reported
those higher speeds on the next Form 477.
Scriv


On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:22 PM, Brian Webster <
bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com> wrote:

> Rick,
>
> Andrew is no longer with the NTIA. I took some time to
> review this FCC report and can shed some light on what problems people are
> seeing. First this data is compiled from round 4 which was current as of
> June 2011. If anyone updated or provided data to their states this last
> round, your data will not show in this report. Second, the data shown does
> include fixed wireless service but not satellite or cellular. What they
> appear to have done is create a merge of data. In the report they tried to
> replicate the 4 meg down 1 meg up national broadband plan set as the
> national goal. The national broadband map was created before the wonderful
> people who wrote that report had the brilliant idea of defining something
> that is not part of the map standards. Give that problem the FCC decided to
> use the category of 3 meg or greater as the download speed and 768 or
> greater as the upload speed. If any WISP has reported data in round 4 or
> earlier that does not meet those speed tiers, it was not used in this
> report.
>
> As with any mapping and report it is very important to
> read their methodology before throwing stones. I had to answer to some of
> our research people in Illinois today because the FCC report says 6%
> unserved in Illinois and my mapping data says 1%. Most of the difference is
> that we calculated using just the download speed tier information and the
> FCC further restricted areas they deemed served by adding in the 768 or
> greater upload requirement. Some WISP’s get bumped off the map because of
> the upload requirements they used in their study.
>
> ** **
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* a...@afmug.com [mailto:a...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:19 PM
> *To:* 'WISPA General List'; a...@afmug.com; us...@wug.cc; color...@wispa.org
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] RE: [WISPA] FCC broadband deployment report
>
> ** **
>
> Andrew,  (Andrew MacRae from the NTIA is BCC’d)
>
> ** **
>
> There seems to be some discrepancy in the Colorado and Michigan Data.  Can
> you assist as to why Wisp coverage is not represented?  Please read the
> email below my signature line.  Also, here are some other comments from
> other providers.
>
> ** **
>
> **· **Merrill, MI: Our coverage area is not displayed on that
> map. Is it only including wireline providers?
>
> ** **
>
> **· **Jackson, MI:  My coverage update for the 2nd to last round
> is not there, but the rest is. The map is for 3Meg svc. and up also.
>
> ** **
>
> **· **Steamboat Springs: If you hover over a county a popup chart
> on the right shows up and displays the demographics for that county and %
> of broadband that is Fiber, Cable, DSL, or fixed wireless.  both the
> counties we serve show 0% fixed wireless.
>
> ** **
>
> **· **Yuma: wow, they have my area as covered as NON-Rural DSL
> and Cable no wireless links at all..
>
> I think someone "fixed" the books on this info. As its completely BS..
>
> ** **
>
> 1. everything out here in our area is Rural..
>
> 2. No wireless listed at ALL ( there are 2 providers ourselves and the
> telco to the south of us) 
>
> 3. The local cable company has only a handful of customers 
>
> 4. says that over 3500 folks in my county have NO internet.. Complete and
> total BS.. This is farm country and I'd PAY to find more than 50 homes that
> don't have internet.
>
> ** **
>
> Again.. the books have been cooked, thanks to either bad info or
> competition.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Where there is a Wisp, there is a way!
>
> ** **
>
> Respectfully,
>
> ** **
>
> Rick Harnish
>
> Executive Director
>
> WISPA
>
> 260-307-4000 cell
>
> 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office
>
> Skype: rick.harnish.
>
> rharn...@wispa.org
>
> adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick)
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> > -Original Message-
>
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On*
> ***
>
> > Behalf Of Sean Heskett
>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 5:29 PM
>
> > To: wireless@wispa.org; a...@afmug.com; us...@wug.cc; color...@wispa.org**
> **
>
> > Subject: [WISPA] FCC broadband deployment report
>
> > 
>
> > Hi all,
>
> > 
>
> > Sorry for all the cross posts on multiple lists but this seems troubling
> to me.  We
>
> > submitted our coverage data to the state of Colorado and they submitted
> our
>
> > data for the national map.  However, this FCC broadband deployment report
> 
>
> > includes this map which doesn't show our cov

Re: [WISPA] FCC broadband deployment report

[John Scrivner]

I have done all that you ask here. I am on EVERY other map ever made by ALL
other agencies and they act like I do not exist on this one. Total BS.
Scriv


On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Jack Unger  wrote:

>  1. WISPs need to submit their information.
>
> 2. WISPs need to be diligent about working with their State mapping agency
> to correct wrong information.
>
> No one else is going to do it for us.
>
>
>
>  On 8/23/2012 2:59 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote:
>
> wow, they have my area as covered as NON-Rural DSL and Cable no
> wireless links at all..
>
> I think someone "fixed" the books on this info. As its completely BS..
>
> 1. everything out here in our area is Rural..
> 2. No wireless listed at ALL ( there are 2 providers ourselves and the
> telco to the south of us)
> 3. The local cable company has only a handful of customers
> 4. says that over 3500 folks in my county have NO internet.. Complete
> and total BS.. This is farm country and I'd PAY to find more than 50
> homes that don't have internet.
>
> Again.. the books have been cooked, thanks to either bad info or competition.
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Sean Heskett  
>  wrote:
>
>  if you hover over a county a popup chart on the right shows up and
> displays the demographics for that county and % of broadband that is
> Fiber, Cable, DSL, or fixed wireless.  both the counties we serve show
> 0% fixed wireless.
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Chris Fabien  
>  wrote:
>
>  Our coverage area is not displayed on that map.
> Is it only including wireline providers?
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Sean Heskett  
>  wrote:
>
>  Hi all,
>
> Sorry for all the cross posts on multiple lists but this seems
> troubling to me.  We submitted our coverage data to the state of
> Colorado and they submitted our data for the national map.  However,
> this FCC broadband deployment report includes this map which doesn't
> show our coverage.
>
> Report: http://www.fcc.gov/reports/eighth-broadband-progress-report
> Map: http://www.fcc.gov/maps/section-706-fixed-broadband-deployment-map
>
> What gives???  WISPA???
>
> Is anyone else noticing their coverage area is not included?
>
> Best regards,
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] List Traffic

[John Scrivner]

I believe list traffic on the general list which is publicly available to
anyone (members or not) has been dropping significantly over time as more
and more of the traffic has moved to the "members only" list servers within
WISPA.
Scriv


On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Eric Rogers wrote:

> Is this list dead?  I haven’t received an email since 6/18. 
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ping

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Pong

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Victoria Proffer  wrote:

> Is this making it to the list?
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Re: [WISPA] Low-cost CLEC market entry approach for "unsubsidized competitor"

[John Scrivner]

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

>  They just resell a national provider. Rarely do these national providers
> cover areas where broadband is not already available.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com
>
>

 Actually Net Sapiens and Ipifony are not in the business of "reselling a
national provider". They sell hardware and managed services for getting
into the VoIP business. That is not to say they would not help you connect
with a national provider if that is the path that one chose to get there.
That is one piece of a large puzzle they help you complete. I have talked
to both companies extensively. What I did not know was that there is more
to being a facilities based ETC than buying the gear that NetSapiens and
Ipifony sell. I wish those companies would come on here and discuss this
with you guys more but I know for a fact they are more than just resellers
of national player services as Mike has said here.
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Re: [WISPA] Low-cost CLEC market entry approach for "unsubsidized competitor"

[John Scrivner]

If I am not mistaken, WISPA has a couple of Vendor Members who already sell
a turnkey solution to this, Ipiphony and NetSapiens both sell complete
switch solutions to provide full-blown CLEC level services via VoIP I
believe. It may be that I am not understanding what you are proposing
though. Any help along these lines is much appreciated. I am certainly no
telco specialist so don't let me stop the ideas from coming.
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On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote:

> The current FCC rules per November's CAF order allow ILECs to be
> subsidized to provide "broadband" unless there is an "unsubsidized
> competitor" who provides both voice and data service.  Jack Unger has
> written an excellent petition to the FCC to change that to allow it
> to be "unsubsidized competition", wherein the data provider needn't
> be the voice provider.  But there's no guarantee that the FCC
> (currently down to three seated Commissioners) will take such action.
>
> A WISP can provide the needed voice service via VoIP.  It need not be
> a certificated CLEC.  However, to get the VoIP service and local
> numbers, it still needs a CLEC with a connection to (at minimum) the
> tandem switch serving its area.  In some rural areas, this might not
> be available.  So the WISP might need to create a CLEC, or at least
> get one to serve its area.
>
> While the traditional approach to starting a CLEC requires a
> "switch", that rather costly item, which a lot of ISPs don't want to
> have to manage, can be finessed by using a remote gateway.  At least
> one CLEC I'm working with offers a remote "rent a call agent"
> service, where there Class 4/5 call agent, which is equipped with
> Signaling System 7 (a big expense), can serve gateways anywhere,
> passing signaling (H.248) across the Internet or, ideally, a VPN.  So
> the rural CLEC just has a media gateway and SBC, and orders trunks
> into the local central office.  The VoIP side of the gateway then
> feeds the subscribers.
>
> I'm trying to assess whether it's worth anyone's pursuing to set this
> up as an offering for WISPs. Does anyone see a market for this type
> of service?  Would it help anyone meet the "unsubsidized competitor"
> requirement?  Thanks...
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Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

[John Scrivner]

I am just making a prediction. I believe those with infrastructure in
the air and the ground will be deploying these micro-cell platforms
like crazy. Will you? Do you now?
Scriv


On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Roger Howard  wrote:
> Fiber to the AP? Why not just do an 802.11ac gigabit backhaul link to
> the AP with the new Ubiquiti "revolutionary" radio? :)
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Mike Hammett  
> wrote:
>> Fiber to the AP is a great idea and the only way we will be able to meet
>> customer demand. Within 1 year I don't think I'll have any towers that
>> are more than 1 hop from fiber, with many directly on fiber.
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/26/2012 10:22 PM, John Scrivner wrote:
>>> Here are my predictions based partly upon the acquisitions we have
>>> seen of Atheros by Qualcomm and now this latest play into Wifi by
>>> otherwise generally licensed zealots of the mobile world:
>>>
>>> The large mobile carrier equipment companies will supply Wifi
>>> solutions to the national players who will then build Wifi micro-cell
>>> infrastructure out using this commodity priced platform. Then these
>>> same equipment makers will develop a "New and Improved" line of
>>> pico-base LTE boxes at a better margin than the Wifi-only APs but much
>>> less than their LTE macro-base equivalents. Cellcos, cablecos, etc.
>>> will then replace their Wifi-only micro-cell APs with dual mode Wifi
>>> and LTE pico-bases to enable the benefits of Wifi and cellular both
>>> while removing the disadvantages from either platform for their needs.
>>>
>>> I believe that this move will enable the melding of fixed and mobile
>>> wireless broadband enabling WISPs to finally get into this dual game.
>>> Those best positioned to take advantage of this will be fiber to the
>>> home operators who are also WISPs who will then build out "Fiber to
>>> the Access Point" and deliver the "Last 1000 feet" wirelessly to their
>>> customers. With an infrastructure model like this ISPs can deliver the
>>> capacity needed for customers to supply voice, video and data while
>>> eliminating one of the terribly expensive parts of the FTTH platform
>>> invoking the drops to the homes.
>>>
>>> I predict we'll see all this come to pass by 2017-18. We'll see how
>>> clear my crystal ball is in a few years. I hope you guys will remember
>>> this then and be sure to pull it up and make fun of me for being so
>>> far offor not!    :-)
>>> John Scrivner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Jack Unger  wrote:
>>>> In a sure sign that the cellular industry is getting serious about Wi-Fi,
>>>> telecom networking giant Ericsson is buying BelAir Networks, adding its
>>>> high-performance outdoor hotspot technology to its portfolio, sources told
>>>> GigaOM. The deal could signal a big shift in the mindset of the big 
>>>> wireless
>>>> vendors, which have always favored their own specialized and expensive
>>>> cellular technologies to meet growing mobile data demand rather than more
>>>> generic but much cheaper Wi-Fi tech...
>>>>
>>>> <http://gigaom.com/broadband/ericsson-pursuing-wi-fi-with-belair-networks-buy/>
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[WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

[John Scrivner]

Here are my predictions based partly upon the acquisitions we have
seen of Atheros by Qualcomm and now this latest play into Wifi by
otherwise generally licensed zealots of the mobile world:

The large mobile carrier equipment companies will supply Wifi
solutions to the national players who will then build Wifi micro-cell
infrastructure out using this commodity priced platform. Then these
same equipment makers will develop a "New and Improved" line of
pico-base LTE boxes at a better margin than the Wifi-only APs but much
less than their LTE macro-base equivalents. Cellcos, cablecos, etc.
will then replace their Wifi-only micro-cell APs with dual mode Wifi
and LTE pico-bases to enable the benefits of Wifi and cellular both
while removing the disadvantages from either platform for their needs.

I believe that this move will enable the melding of fixed and mobile
wireless broadband enabling WISPs to finally get into this dual game.
Those best positioned to take advantage of this will be fiber to the
home operators who are also WISPs who will then build out "Fiber to
the Access Point" and deliver the "Last 1000 feet" wirelessly to their
customers. With an infrastructure model like this ISPs can deliver the
capacity needed for customers to supply voice, video and data while
eliminating one of the terribly expensive parts of the FTTH platform
invoking the drops to the homes.

I predict we'll see all this come to pass by 2017-18. We'll see how
clear my crystal ball is in a few years. I hope you guys will remember
this then and be sure to pull it up and make fun of me for being so
far offor not!:-)
John Scrivner




On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Jack Unger  wrote:
> In a sure sign that the cellular industry is getting serious about Wi-Fi,
> telecom networking giant Ericsson is buying BelAir Networks, adding its
> high-performance outdoor hotspot technology to its portfolio, sources told
> GigaOM. The deal could signal a big shift in the mindset of the big wireless
> vendors, which have always favored their own specialized and expensive
> cellular technologies to meet growing mobile data demand rather than more
> generic but much cheaper Wi-Fi tech...
>
> <http://gigaom.com/broadband/ericsson-pursuing-wi-fi-with-belair-networks-buy/>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

[John Scrivner]

Glad to hear someone up there in DC is listening. Did you happen to mention
anything about our need of access to TVWS?
Scriv


On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:56 PM, MDK  wrote:

>
> Monday morning I got a phone call from a 202 number and answered it.   The
> name sounded vaguely familiar, but he finally identified himself as the
> assistant to my congressman.   Ahh, now I know why I recognize the name.
> Been in politics around here for many years.   State and federal.
>
> Thursday or Friday, I stumbled across a news story of my US Rep praising
> the
> FCC's "changes" to USF, which, from descriptions, look bad for me and most
> of us, as it involves "subsidizing rural wireless" (insert cellular for
> "wireless" and you get the gist) I was ticked as you can imagine, because
> he's literally from a small town where WISP's play a signficant role in
> broadband availablity.
>
> Well, I guess I must have used the right combination of words, because he
> (the assistant to my US Rep)  wanted to know what it was I thought.  Well,
> we had 20 minute conversation, where I explained that we as an industry are
> often the only viable operators for small "niche" areas where it simply is
> impossible to string wires or bury cables or whatever, in a cost effective
> manner (and he knows precisely what I mean, he drives the same roads and
> knows the same places I do), and now, someone's going to apply to get USF
> money to come and build right out over us, with subsidized funding.
>
> He didn't disagree with that assessment, btw, and asked what I thought
> should be done.   Abolish, of course.   In his view, the term of life for
> continual subsidy of rural telecom via USF has been abruptly shortened,
> and,
> they're at least talking about ending any continuous subsidy for anyone.
>  Of
> course, they can't end USF, because Congress made it law, but ending it is
> certainly an option in House, he implied.
>
> Further, we've reached the point where much of rural broadband is hampered
> by beaurocratic obstruction as much as anything else.  the need to use
> public land, or telephone pole access, or power pole access,  federal land
> use, and numerous other expensive and complicated matters.   I explained
> that it has traditionally been that people with great skill for beaurocracy
> get the money, but rarely seem to have great skill at getting customers
> happy and resourceful at accomplishing the technical challenges.  That
> subsidy causes business models to be built on it, rather than sustainable
> competitive operations.
>
> That we need the markets open to being able to enter the phone, tv, and
> internet business with whatever the appropriate technology, without endless
> hurdles in our way.   No idea if it did any good, but at least one person,
> who is at the top of the issues that matter to us in the house, got some
> input from the ground level.
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[WISPA] 3650 License Contact

[John Scrivner]

Can someone please forward me the name and contact information of the gal at
the FCC who handles all 3650 applications? We have a couple which have not
been completed and we do not know why.
Thank you,
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Racing

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>
>
> Even Jack Rickard is showing some interest in this.  Interestingly
> enough, Ohio State U. has a 300MPH electric streamliner.  It's
> powered by a hydrogen fuel cell, through a 3 phase inverter and into
> an 800HP electric motor and conventional drive train.  They melt 400
> lbs of ice cooling it during a single run!  LMAO!  It's cool.  Most
> pits have a bunch of grease monkeys working on the car.  In their
> pit, it's a bunch of kids with laptops!  It's rather quiet when it
> makes a pass.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw6vmy1nPVI
>
> Direct any specific follow ups to me personally so the list doesn't
> get annoyed by this WAY OT subject.
>
>
You should invite those guys with the electric car to bring it to Jack's
show this September. Free entry for those with a car. It would be a hit at
the show I am sure.
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[WISPA] WAY off topic: Electric Vehicle Conversion Convention EVCCON

[John Scrivner]

I am sure many of you old trimers to the ISP business remember Jack Rickard,
founder of Boardwatch Magazine, BBSCON which became ISPCON? I am honored to
say that Jack and I have become friends. He and I have brainstormed about
all sorts of whackiness over the last few years.  He has been feverishly
seeking some new "thing" to put his time, money and energy behind to
rekindle that spark of innovation and creation of new and budding industry.
He has found it in converting cars to electric. Sohistory is repeating
itself in a way. Jack is now doing a weekly Internet "TV" show he calls the
Friday Show on his website at http://evtv.me . It is free so you might want
to check it out. He is also working on a conference for those who are
converting their own cars to electric. Jack is still full of the same
excitement and energy as he has always had. His new focus is interesting and
I just wanted to share it with the rest of you. I am actually hoping to do
my own conversion one day. I apologize that this is not really on topic for
a wireless Internet list but I know Jack's efforts were a big part of many
of your lives and so I thought it was appropriate to share it here.
John Scrivner


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Subject: Electric Vehicle Conversion Convention EVCCON
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 Writer/Director Chris Paine's documentary feature film "*Who Killed the
Electric Ca*r?" premiered at the Sundance Film Festival in 2006 before its
release by Sony Pictures to critical acclaim in 100 U.S. markets.  The film
was the third highest-grossing theatrical documentary of 2006 and screened
with "*An Inconvenient Truth"* in many markets.

 The film was written and directed by Chris Paine, and produced by Jessie
Deeter, and executive produced by Tavin Marin Titus, Richard D. Titus of
Plinyminor and Dean Devlin, Kearie Peak, Mark Roskin, and Rachel Olshan of
Electric Entertainment.  The film grossed over $1.75 million - a large
number for independent documentaries of this type.

 Currently in wide DVD release, Paine's film investigates the events leading
to the quiet destruction of thousands of new, radically efficient electric
vehicles. Through interviews and narrative, the film paints a picture of an
industrial culture whose aversion to change and reliance on oil may be
deeper then its ability to embrace ready solutions.
 *Who Killed the Electric Car?* and Chris Paine were nominated by the
Writer's Guild for Best Documentary of 2006. The film also received
nominations from The Broadcast Critics Awards and The Environmental Media
Awards for Best Documentary of 2006. The film won the audience award at the
Canberra International Film Festival and won a special jury prize at the
Mountain Film Festival.

 Festivals and Awards

 1) Nominated: Best Documentary - Environmental Media Awards (2006)
 2) Won - Special Jury Prize Mountain Film (Telluride) (2006)
 3) Nominated Writers Guild: Best Documentary
 4) Nominated Broadcast Film Critics Association Awards, 2007 Best Doc.
Feature
 5) Won - Audience Award at the Canberra International Film Festival.

 The film screened at the following Film Festivals:

 San Francisco Film Festival
 Sundance Film Festival
 Deauville Film Festival
 Seattle Film Festival
 Los Angeles Film Festival
 Canberra Film Festival  Tribeca Film Festival
 Berlin International Film Festival
 Atlanta Film Festival
 Newport Film Festival
 Mountain Film Festival

 Sony marketed *Who Killed The Electric Car?* in over 100 theatrical markets
to become the third highest grossing documentary in 2007. Netflix now lists
nearly 150,000 ratings of the  DVD release from renting customers. Over 400
reviews have been written on Neflix and it is in their Top Ten List of
"important movies you should see."
 Thanks to the massive push behind *An Inconvenient Truth* (they were a
trailer for that film in theaters) and internet word of mouth, this West
LA-produced documentary reached people around the world and helped inspire
change.




 The success of *Who Killed the Electric Car?*  rather goes beyond electric
cars.  It has been an inspiration to independent producers of documentaries
and with the advent of video on the Internet, has led to an entire movement
of video production marketed around the large distributors, such as Sony,
with numerous other documentaries gaining an audience directly.

 Pain has been working on a sequel *Revenge of the Electric Car*.  This is
scheduled for release April 22nd at the Tribeca film festival in New York.


 I found the original documentary a bit far from unbiased, and strangely
naive.  Having worked in large corporations, I almost view 

Re: [WISPA] OT (sort of) - Earthquakes and Solar Flares

[John Scrivner]

Do we know if these areas suffered any marked increase in loss of electronic
systems due to the CME or other solar related events?
Scriv


On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:21 AM, St. Louis Broadband <
li...@stlbroadband.com> wrote:

> Ø  I don't see a direct causal relationship, it would not totally surprise
> me to see a co-causal relationship
>
> Fred, I am not sure of their relationship, but I am confident that there is
> one.
>
>
>
> Grounding is defiantly an issue all WISPs need to consider.  But it has
> been mentioned, if there was adequate warning, that we could also power down
> services and that would help in saving the equipment.
>
> I don’t know if this is factual.
>
>
>
> The most important time for communications would be during and after these
> events.
>
> It would be improper of us to not look for a potential solution to protect
> our networks, so that we can help with the response.
>
>
>
> IMHO.
>
>
>
> ~V~
>
>
>
> *From:* Fred Goldstein [mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:06 AM
> *To:* li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OT (sort of) - Earthquakes and Solar Flares
>
>
>
> At 3/15/2011 10:29 AM, you wrote:
>
> ...
>
> With the last two X Class flares of this year, the X-Ray Absorption hit New
> Zealand and the second hit Japan!
> One-time we say coincidence, twice … well, that is good enough for me to
> say that there is a correlation and to keep a watchful eye.
> The region my family and I live in, is within the New Madrid Fault Zone, I
> have reason to be concerned.
>
> What this theory gives us is, time.
> If this becomes factual (need a few more X class flares) than what we have
> discovered is a window of time to prepare.
>
>
> I don't see any causality between solar activity and earthquakes.  The
> epicenter of the sendai quake was 25 kilometers below the surface.  Plates
> move.  Quakes happen.  Most solar ejecta doesn't penetrate that far down, or
> if it's neutrinos, it passes right through.
>
> So we have two problems, earthquakes and solar crud.  We still have to deal
> with them, even if one doesn't cause the other.  Electrical gear does need
> to take this into account.  I think good grounding is your friend...
>
> But even though I don't see a direct causal relationship, it would not
> totally surprise me to see a co-causal relationship, in that the same thing
> that causes the solar cycle may impact Earth too.  The sunspot cycles are
> caused by the movement of the plants, whose relationships align every 11,
> 22, and 500-odd years in ways that impact sunspots, presumably via
> gravitational effects.  That's how sunspot predictions are done (i learned
> this at a ham conference some years ago, a lecture by RCA Globecom's sunspot
> predictor, who also drew the sunspot furecasts for a ham magazine).  And if
> their gravity can impact the sun, it can probably impact the Earth.
>
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Re: [WISPA] net neutrality... Two articles...

[John Scrivner]

This reply represents my opinions and is not an official position of WISPA.

There is no official position within WISPA regarding Net Nuetrality that I
have ever seen. If there was then we would likely see it on our website and
in our filings.  The general consensus I have seen is that our focus is best
placed in other areas. Nobody in WISPA wants pure Net Neutrality. There is
some discussion that many believe that it should be applied to national
carriers (those who sell pipes to other providers) to assure that the main
pipes feeding WISPs are not turned into tollways for every piece of content.
I am of the opinion that the larger national retail broadband carriers
(CableCos, Telcos and Cellcos) will do the fighting to beat it no matter
what position we take. So picking our battles is where I think we need to
be. Net Neutrality is not the biggest obstacle we face.

If auctions sell all the prime spectrum to the highest bidders then this is
a far bigger obstacle to our future. If an Internet  Tax (aka re-purposed
USF and / or CAF) are allowed to come into play this will seriously harm
WISPs as these will almost certainly be limited to ILECs, RBOCs and CMRS
carriers. This will put many WISPs into the unfortunate position of having
to collect taxes from their customers and in return seeing none of the money
going to them. Worse it will help pay their competitors to put them out of
business. So I believe WISPA is fighting more for spectrum issues and is
working on how to position themselves regarding Internet Taxes. The USF
issue may become tricky as we have many WISP members who are also ILECs and
CLECs who would likely support some forms of USF. I am not in that category
at all. I want to see ZERO INTERNET TAXES OF ANY KIND WHATSOEVER.

I have what I believe is an interesting slant that WISPs could benefit from
regarding Net Neutrality. At this point there is enough fighting between the
larger interests that nobody is really concentrating on an opportunity I
feel we can all take advantage of. If we all upgrade our networks to meet
Net Neutrality requirements in the future then an interesting benefit
happens for our industry. Cellcos look at Net Neutrality as being absolute
toxic to their models. They want to control all content and charge a premium
for every bit that passes through their over-priced networks. This is
their Achilles heal in my opinion.

If we were to work toward expanding upstream and backhaul capacity, lowering
subs per AP and lowering the bit over-subscription levels on our networks
then we could use Net Neutrality principles as a marketing tool to give us
an edge over the other alternatives including satellite and cellcos.
Interestingly I am of the belief that I hope Net Neutrality fails not
because I want to sell premium access to content to my subscribers but
because I feel that I can use the idea of equal access to all content to
make my service a better option to my customers than satellite or cellcos.
In the end it means a more robust network which is always a good thing
regardless of whether a regulation tells me to do it or not.

Within a year I plan to have my network running at Net Neutrality abilities
and at the same time hoping Net Neutrality regulation fails. I am covered
either way as I see it. I believe in the long run that those who embrace the
equal access principles of Net Neutrality, whether it is mandated or not,
will be the carriers of choice by most all customers. I also believe you
will see television over broadband becoming more and more prevalent which
will be tough to support but will help drive adoption of fixed wireless
(those who have robust enough networks to handle the load) in rural areas
and fiber in urban deployments.

So should WISPA try to fight the Net Neutrality battle or focus on other
issues? You guys know where I stand. If anyone wants to be part of the
effort to decide what WISPA does then join us. We can use your help.
John Scrivner



On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 10:07 PM, MDK  wrote:

>  Rick, I didn't take any potshots at anyone.
>
> I linked a couple of short blurbs on the net..
>
> and asked... What's WISPA's official stand or statement?   Is there one?
>
>
>
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
>
>  *From:* Rick Harnish 
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 05, 2011 7:49 AM
> *To:* 'WISPA General List' 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] net neutrality... Two articles...
>
>  Mark,
>
>
>
> Why don’t you join WISPA and be part of the process instead of taking pot
> shots from the “hinterlands”.  It is time you stepped up to be counted.
>
>
>
> For the record, I am personally “totally against” Network Neutrality; at
> least the versions that have been presented thus far.  Forcing unmanaged
> network content on broadband infrastructure operators will have di

Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance

[John Scrivner]

The FBI told me (and I am paraphrasing) that if you work with them that they
will work with you. Basically as long as you are not acting like you do not
think they have a right to do the tap and are not being a pain in the behind
then you will get all the support you need from them in a lawful intercept
situation. I would say that having this box on the shelf shows your
intentions of being compliant to the act. CALEA is all about 2 things. It is
about making sure that tools exist to find and stop crime on the Internet
and about making sure that we help be a check against government becoming
too intrusive.

CALEA has many regs which say when we are doing too much to help tap
connections.  The WISPA CALEA standard was created to act as a guideline for
WISPs. It tells precisely what our obligations are in helping assure we can
perform lawful intercepts in our network and in preventing overstepping the
bounds of what is lawful.
Scriv


On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:

> Ok, but the FBI wouldn't know I stuck the hardware there at the last
> minute. And the tower glitches off whenever I do a firmware upgrade
> anyway. The customer wouldn't know the difference.
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > Depends who you ask.  Some might say the customer could notice a "change
> in
> > network" and hence non compliant.
> >
> > On Mar 5, 2011 10:43 PM, "Roger Howard"  wrote:
> >> Would I cover myself for calea by having a mikrotik router on the
> >> shelf, set up as a bridge, with the calea module installed. Then if I
> >> get subpoenaed for a tap, I just run out to the appropriate tower and
> >> put it on the ethernet interface of whichever AP the subscriber is on?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Roger
> >>
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Slow list?

[John Scrivner]

Please forward the post to me that you sent that did not get through. We
will research it to see if we have a problem. I do know we have had a few
delays of getting mail through our spool due to a compromised email account
that led to a bunch of spam going through our network. WISPA and my WISP
share the same pair of clustered Barracudas and I think this is causing
spool delays when the spam clogs it up. I cannot believe how expensive it is
these days to do email properly. It is terrible!
Thank you,
John Scrivner


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>  I got a total of list posts of 12 on 3/1 and a  total of 15 on 3/2? WTF?
> I know I placed a post and never received it on 3/1.
>
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Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members > Demographics

[John Scrivner]

Sorry Cliff. There is no way to read tone in email. A smiley face   :-)
 at the end usually helps let folks know when something is tongue in cheek
like that. If you read your note as sarcasm it is funny. I thought you were
being serious. Hence my backlash. All is well!
All the best,
Scriv


On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Cliff Leboeuf wrote:

>   John,
>
>  My apology to you and anyone else that may have taken offense to my JOKE.
> Believe me that is all it was meant to be.
>
>  However, this society has become so politically correct, and litigious,
> it dose sometimes make me sick. Hence my JOKE of needing so many attorneys
> on the committee to make sure we don't offend ANYONE.
>
>  I would consider helping if I can and you think adding me would be
> helpful. Let me know the role, responsibility and commitment needed. Based
> on what you desire, I would only agree if I could commit to be a asset. I'd
> never agree to be on a committee and not participate.
>
>  -
> Cliff LeBoeuf
> Computer Sales & Services, Inc.
> 985-879-3219
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>
>   From: John Scrivner 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:28:01 -0600
>
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members > Demographics
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Cliff Leboeuf wrote:
>
>>   It's really disappointing that THREE attorneys are needed to make sure
>> things stay Kosher.
>>
>
>  Cliff, did you just offer to help us with this effort?
>
>  I am married to an attorney. Many of my friends are attorneys. I have
> been able to legally run my business and create several organizations with
> the help of attorneys. When I saw we had 3 attorneys offering to help us
> make sure we have done things in a legal and proper way I was very glad to
> see that. I appreciate their legal experience and expertise being shared
> within this committee.
>
>  I do not think that anyone in our committee was even considering that we
> would not do things in a "Kosher" way and frankly I find this post somewhat
> offensive. I have committed literally years of free support to WISPA in
> matters such as this and I do not expect much but not getting intellectually
> kicked around for my efforts would be a nice start.
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Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members > Demographics

[John Scrivner]

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Cliff Leboeuf wrote:

>   It's really disappointing that THREE attorneys are needed to make sure
> things stay Kosher.
>

Cliff, did you just offer to help us with this effort?

I am married to an attorney. Many of my friends are attorneys. I have been
able to legally run my business and create several organizations with the
help of attorneys. When I saw we had 3 attorneys offering to help us make
sure we have done things in a legal and proper way I was very glad to see
that. I appreciate their legal experience and expertise being shared within
this committee.

I do not think that anyone in our committee was even considering that we
would not do things in a "Kosher" way and frankly I find this post somewhat
offensive. I have committed literally years of free support to WISPA in
matters such as this and I do not expect much but not getting intellectually
kicked around for my efforts would be a nice start.
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Re: [WISPA] ASR Sign Requirements

[John Scrivner]

John Vogel and Brian Webster,
Thank you gentlemen. I really appreciate the help.
Cheers,
John Scrivner


On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Brian Webster  wrote:

> At minimum it needs to have the tower ASR registration number and emergency
> contact phone number. It needs to be posted where it is visible at the point
> where the public has the closest access. If there is a locked gate near the
> road the sign needs to be there and not only at the tower.
>
>
>
> http://wireless.fcc.gov/antenna/index.htm?job=about_posting
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
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>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *John Scrivner
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 17, 2011 1:08 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* [WISPA] ASR Sign Requirements
>
>
>
> I own a registered tower site that I bought from another ASR registrant. We
> have made all needed changes to the ASR records online showing proper
> ownership information. We still need to prepare the physical sign required
> at the location. I cannot seem to find the page on the ASR site that
> describes the requirements of the sign at the registered tower location. Can
> anyone send me the link to this information or even forward a doc with this
> data? Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
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[WISPA] ASR Sign Requirements

[John Scrivner]

I own a registered tower site that I bought from another ASR registrant. We
have made all needed changes to the ASR records online showing proper
ownership information. We still need to prepare the physical sign required
at the location. I cannot seem to find the page on the ASR site that
describes the requirements of the sign at the registered tower location. Can
anyone send me the link to this information or even forward a doc with this
data? Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

[John Scrivner]

>
> (Of course when I point out the same thing to netheads, that TCP/IP
> is terribly obsolete, they look at me like I'm nuts, but then they're
> inside the belly of their beast too.)

If you have a link to any of your past writings along that regard I
would very much like to see them.


>
>>Just give us the spectrum. We'll build the damn broadband. It is that
>>easy. The "voucher" should be the exclusive spectrum license granted
>>to those who build the tower and serve the broadband. Why do we have
>>to have auctions, USF and go broke with paying out trillions in
>>stimulus.
>>
>>Free Spectrum Licenses = Universal low-cost broadband. Problem solved.
>>Scriv
>
> Good idea.  Of course it doesn't fly with the FCC, and for the
> silliest reason:  The people in charge of "broadband" and USF are the
> FCC's Wireline [prevention of] Competition Bureau, while auctions
> belong to the Wirelss Telecommunications Bureau.  WTB will no nothing
> to help WCB.  Each has its own metrics.  WTB's is auction revenue, so
> free spectrum would hurt their metrics.  And WCB's subsidiary USAC
> can just raise taxes.
>
> I actually proposed this once and the results were "interesting":
>
> A brief, sad study in how the FCC reads Comments
>
>     Fred Goldstein,  November 2003
> http://www.ionary.com/ion-FCC-comments.html
>
>

Fred, I can definitely feel your pain. And I am also greatly
enlightened with the revelations I read in your article. I have seen
the same level of near schizophrenic interpretations of comments in
how they word their R&Os. I learned something in your article I did
not know about the WTB and the WCB. I did not know how their missions
were at odds. Thank you for sharing this perspective. I would suggest
everyone read Fred's article. The date may be from 2003 but the
content is very much apropos to the issues we are facing today within
the FCC.
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

[John Scrivner]

I think we should consider supporting it only as our fallback
position. I think our primary mission should be on bringing awareness
that it makes no sense to raise government money by selling off the
one asset (spectrum) required to bring affordable and plentiful
broadband to the masses to the highest bidders and then turn around
and pay those same bidders to build broadband.

It is insane.

Just give us the spectrum. We'll build the damn broadband. It is that
easy. The "voucher" should be the exclusive spectrum license granted
to those who build the tower and serve the broadband. Why do we have
to have auctions, USF and go broke with paying out trillions in
stimulus.

Free Spectrum Licenses = Universal low-cost broadband. Problem solved.
Scriv


On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Charles Wu  wrote:
> It looks like a success-based "voucher" technologically neutral system for 
> USF Reform/CAF is what's being proposed by the RCA (Rural Cellular 
> Association)
>
> http://rca-usa.org/press/rca-press-releases/five-things-the-fcc-can-do-to-accelerate-broadband-deployment/914048
>
> Perhaps WISPA should/could partner up with them for a stronger voice?
>
> -Charles
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:49 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband
>
> We need to have the USF turned into a voucher credit system that the
> end user can apply to what ever supplier they chose. Maybe its not
> the best idea, but I do not feel I have heard of a better one. Better
> for /the users/ not better for the I/CLECs and other
> very vested interests.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Fred Goldstein  wrote:
>> At 2/11/2011 01:06 AM, JohnS wrote:
>>>  The FCC is looking for comments, so we all need to make
>>> > it quite clear that the funds should be available for any and all
>>> > broadband providers!
>>> >
>>> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20110207/tc_nf/77213
>>> >
>>> > Bret
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>We should comment. The comment should be that we do not support any
>>>form of broadband subsidies and that USF should be eliminated. It is a
>>>New Internet Tax. We should all call it that and get people riled up
>>>about it.
>>
>> The FCC can't eliminate USF entirely.  It is statutory:  The Telecom
>> Act of 1996 established USF and called for it to keep rural telephone
>> rates comparable to urban rates.  Because rural states get two
>> senators just like big states, they have undue influence on subsidy
>> legislation.  Ted Stevens of Alaska was a leader here; he later
>> wanted the FCC to outlaw VoIP, since it threatened the costly toll
>> minutes that paid into USF.
>>
>> The new proposal makes matters worse, though, since it keeps existing
>> USF intact and adds yet another fund to allow one provider per place
>> to provide subsidized Internet access.  I expect that it will usually
>> be the ILEC, getting more money to compete with WISPs.
>>
>>  --
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

[John Scrivner]

 The FCC is looking for comments, so we all need to make
> it quite clear that the funds should be available for any and all
> broadband providers!
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20110207/tc_nf/77213
>
> Bret
>
> Bret Clark
> Spectra Access
> 25 Lowell Street
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> www.spectraaccess.com
>
>

We should comment. The comment should be that we do not support any
form of broadband subsidies and that USF should be eliminated. It is a
New Internet Tax. We should all call it that and get people riled up
about it.
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Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz Licensing Warning Question

[John Scrivner]

I want to thank you gentlemen for taking the time here to debate these
issues. I have been a proponent for concurrent coordination as
proposed by Michael Mulcay for a few years now. Michael did an
eloquent job of proposing these ideas before the WCAI around 2005
maybe? I was in the audience. The licensed players there did not
really see anything novel about the opportunity.

They blinked.

Michael and I spent a great deal of time discussing many of the same
concerns I have seen discussed here. I brought the concurrent
coordination proposal before the WISPA FCC Committee at that time but
saw much of the same lack of interest as was witnessed at the WCAI
show where I had first heard about it directly from Michael.

We blinked too.

Now we see that we are finally starting to see some traction for
concurrent coordination within WISPA. I feel that Jack Unger has done
a good job of bringing this proposal before the committee and making
sure the opportunity was clearly described and explained in a way that
made sense to our members. Thank you for that Jack. You work hard for
us and it is appreciated.

I too see this as an "all ships rise in higher waters" type of
proposal. WISPs are buying more and more licensed backhaul. Clearwire
has stopped making their crazy 300 PCN requests in a day. The true
opportunity here is for WISPs to take advantage of. It is one of the
only ways we can sell a  real metro-Ethernet style service with an
SLA. We can be our own first customers too. No longer needing a
dedicated backhaul to each individual rural tower would be a windfall
in cost and logistics for WISPs who want to replace all their backhaul
with something that is truly carrier-class.

The only question I have left is who will be building gear that is
legal to operate as a concurrently coordinated link radio once you get
your R&O in your favor? Will you, Michael Mulcay, be the sole
beneficiary of licensing this technology? If yes then what are the
terms by which existing manufacturers of licensed radios can buy a
license of your intellectual property to include concurrently
coordination into base stations and CPEs? If this detail has not been
established then our support for you could easily turn into an
incredible windfall for you and your company but may not really yield
us anything of real value in the end.

So Michael, I ask you, what is the status of the intellectual property
license opportunity for concurrent coordination? Have any manufactuers
bought a license or have agreed to buy a l;icense to use your IP for
this purpose? How much of a percentage of the total price of the
product would we expect to pay for your IP as part of a base station?
For a customer CPE?
John Scrivner


On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:02 PM, michael mulcay
 wrote:
> Fred,
>
>
>
> Useful discussion, let’s continue.
>
>
>
> I am guessing that in those cases, you didn't begin a presentation by
> putting a pointed set of insults (the whole obstructionism bit) into the
> Record.  Your slide set might have been entertaining at a WISPA conference,
> or as a political broadside aimed at outsiders whose views of the FCC you
> wish to lower.  But as a presentation to be mainly read by the professional
> staffers at the FCC, who are for the most part dedicated, competent people
> whose work is fettered by politics from above, it struck me as
> counterproductive.  They do not want to be insulted.
>
>
>
> WSI's comments and reply comments to the NPRM were very formal and factual.
> My ex parte meetings at the Commission on December 8th 2010 were oral
> presentations with the slides in question being used as visual aids, which
> stated the facts as WSI saw them.
>
> Most of my regulatory work is in the Part 51 area (mainly CLECs), which is
> predominantly political.  What technical questions arise there are usually
> resolved on a political, not fact-based, basis, mainly as cover for an
> industry position.  I still harbor some illusions that Part 101 and Part 15,
> to give two examples, are handled on a somewhat more honest basis, with
> technical rather than political judgement being most important.  The current
> version of the old joke is that the FCC staff is 1500 lawyers and Stagg
> Newman, but I know there are really a few other engineers left to help keep
> Stagg sane.  To be sure, WTB is rather politicized, and my own experiences
> with them are not so good, but a lot of that has to do with internal
> politics and silos.  I think the auctioned spectrum is subject to a lot more
> political pressure.
>
> I believe that the way people act depends a lot on their past experiences
> and your experience at the Commission have been: "Most of my regulatory work
> is in the Part 51 area (mainly CLECs), which is predominantly political.
> What technical questions arise there are usually resolved on a political,

Re: [WISPA] Qualcomm agreed to acquire Atheros Communications for $3.1 billion in cash

[John Scrivner]

Isn't every Ubnt radio sold powered by Atheros chips? I wonder if this
could mean a future issue for our supply of low cost radios?
Scriv


On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Brough Turner  wrote:
>
> Qualcomm agreed to acquire Atheros Communications for $3.1 billion in cash,
> seeking to fill a hole in its chip-making operations.
>
> Atheros's shares closed Tuesday at $44, compared with the $45 offer price.
> The target's stock had surged Tuesday following news that Qualcomm was close
> to making the deal.
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704405704576063453274665320.html?mod=djemalertTECH
>
> another article (not behind a registration or pay wall):
>
> http://www.slashgear.com/qualcomm-buy-atheros-in-3-1bn-ubiquitous-connectivity-deal-05123321/
>
> Thanks,
> Brough
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Re: [WISPA] Figuring it out

[John Scrivner]

Have you ever had Ethernet issues yourself?
> Thanks,
> Scriv


I am sorry to reply to my own post but I just realized that Forbes was
the one who started the thread and said he was having trouble. And I
haven't even started drinking yet! Happy New Year!
Ha!
Scriv



>
>
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Forbes Mercy
>  wrote:
>> Yes I'm on AirMax and using 5.2.1 in all my Rockets.
>>
>> On 12/31/2010 5:49 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
>>> Are you utilizing AirMax ? If you are not using firmware 5.2.1, upgrade to 
>>> that and the beta5 seems to be working as well.
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: Forbes Mercy
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List
>>> Date:  Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:54:00 -0800
>>>
 Our network has a Ubiquiti 3.65 backhaul through an Adtran smart switch
 then to four rocket M5's plus some 2.4GHz radios plus a backhaul to
 another town.

 Earlier this week we started getting calls from the Rocket customers who
 said their speeds were slow, primarily two of them pointing nearly the
 same direction, both have about 20 on them.  We worked on the settings
 for the backhaul... fixed.  Then today it started again.  Speedtest on
 three MB customers are 365K down and 1.5MB up.  The backhaul is pulling
 40MB and the pings to those complaining are perfect.  Another 5MB
 customer, 600K down and 800K up.

 We don't know where to look, the switch is fairly new could that be it
 or could it be the radios pointing roughly the same direction are
 interfering but not affecting pings which is the normal symptom for
 that? vertical separation is 30 feet between the two rockets, one a 120
 the other a 90.  Any ideas?

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Re: [WISPA] Figuring it out

[John Scrivner]

What do you have your Ethernet setup with? Auto Neg? Hard set to 100
meg? 10 meg? Have you ever had Ethernet issues yourself?
Thanks,
Scriv


On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Forbes Mercy
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> Yes I'm on AirMax and using 5.2.1 in all my Rockets.
>
> On 12/31/2010 5:49 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
>> Are you utilizing AirMax ? If you are not using firmware 5.2.1, upgrade to 
>> that and the beta5 seems to be working as well.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: Forbes Mercy
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List
>> Date:  Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:54:00 -0800
>>
>>> Our network has a Ubiquiti 3.65 backhaul through an Adtran smart switch
>>> then to four rocket M5's plus some 2.4GHz radios plus a backhaul to
>>> another town.
>>>
>>> Earlier this week we started getting calls from the Rocket customers who
>>> said their speeds were slow, primarily two of them pointing nearly the
>>> same direction, both have about 20 on them.  We worked on the settings
>>> for the backhaul... fixed.  Then today it started again.  Speedtest on
>>> three MB customers are 365K down and 1.5MB up.  The backhaul is pulling
>>> 40MB and the pings to those complaining are perfect.  Another 5MB
>>> customer, 600K down and 800K up.
>>>
>>> We don't know where to look, the switch is fairly new could that be it
>>> or could it be the radios pointing roughly the same direction are
>>> interfering but not affecting pings which is the normal symptom for
>>> that? vertical separation is 30 feet between the two rockets, one a 120
>>> the other a 90.  Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
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>>> Washington Broadband, Inc.
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Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth

[John Scrivner]

Residential service = best effort with a maximum speed (no SLA provided)

Dedicated / Commercial Service = Max speed = CIR in SLA. We also
provide priority service evenings and weekends for those customers.
For residential we will run service calls first come first served and
within 24 hours of report of trouble.
Hope that helps,
John Scrivner


On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:58 PM, RickG  wrote:
> I appreciate all the feedback but my questions was not about cost, it was
> about definition. What defines dedicated? Is it a minimum amount of
> bandwidth per hour, day, week, month or ?
>
> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:
>>
>> commercial connection.  sell as x amount of bits/sec and bill accordingly.
>>
>> On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote:
>>
>> I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does
>> everyone define a "dedicated" connection?
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Re: [WISPA] From ATT public policy blog- Comcast vs Level3

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>
> Start regulating it and all hell (that is, the place where all the
> lawyers are) breaks loose.
>
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And when the free market peering / upstream solutions are replaced
with regulation then it is just one more easy step toward taxing all
the traffic per megabyte. Lookout ladies and gentlemen. "They" are
from the government and they are here to "help" us.
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[WISPA] Ubiquiti Email Lists

[John Scrivner]

I would like to join up with other users of Ubiquiti products to
openly discuss the platform. Is there one email list for them that is
the dominant list of use by most users of their products?
Thank you,
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Re: [WISPA] Water Tank Agreement?

[John Scrivner]

If you are a paid WISPA member you can access all sorts of boiler
plate agreements through the WISPA Wiki. That is how I share my own
agreements. If you are not a member and wish to join you can get there
at http://signup.wispa.org/
Scriv


On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Rafman®  wrote:
> Hello List,
> Generally a lurker but I need some help today.
>
> Does anyone have a simple draft [boilerplate] agreement for space on a water
> tank(s) they'd be willing to share?
> If you could hit me offlist, I'd appreciate it.
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[John Scrivner]

Can you share your package prices and your profit margin above your
per month costs? We want to make a play and have considered Vox in the
past.
Thanks,
John Scrivner



On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Joe Fiero  wrote:
> Coming up on about 450.  80% residential.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 11:50 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] making money from voip
>
>
>
> How many lines?
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Joe Fiero  wrote:
>
> Hunt group is a definite yes with VoX.
>
>
>
> Using them almost 3 years and never looked back.
>
>
>
> We have had 100,000 minute months using them over wireless without a hitch.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 6:35 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] making money from voip
>
>
>
> When I spoke to them last (only about 4 weeks ago) Ron Harden said they
> didn't support hunt groups (the name was eluding me when I first posted to
> this thread-odd given that hunt groups were fundamental to any ISP for so
> many years! ;-), though they could do line forwarding.
>
>
>
> Are you saying Vox DOES support hunt groups? That'd be so odd since Ron is
> the executive VP or something I thought. That or I'm royally messed up...
>
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:20 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>
>
>
> You have to get them to enable hunting. It's not the same as forwarding.
>
> Sent from my iPhone4
>
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Chuck Bartosch 
> wrote:
>
> How do you handle the line pool problem? It's the only issue keeping me from
> going to Vox for business customers-most businesses have multiple lines
> where a customer calls in and gets whatever line is free in the pool. Vox
> can do line forwarding, but that means the customer has to call the first
> line in the forwarding sequence and there's a delay while each line is found
> to be busy before it's forwarded (I assume), so it isn't the same as normal
> line pool.
>
>
>
> Would love a practical solution to this problem.
>
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:08 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>
>
>
> Everything we use is branded in our name including the LOA's and the portal.
> Vox handles everything up front during the setup process. Since 95% of our
> lines are ported from other companies it was important for this to all have
> our company name.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone4
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:
>
>
>
> If you use VOX, do you still have to do all the FCC stuff, since you
>
> are not the provider?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roger
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
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> Tried Telemedium. They were horrible. As a matter of fact they are out of
> business now. We use VOX. They are a wispa member. I have yet to get a call
> from anyone complaining about voice quality b
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone4
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
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>
>
> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current
> provider?
>
>
>
> Thanks-
>
> Ryan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
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>
>
> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet
> usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email,
> webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we
> definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but
> sales didn't take off until we raised our price.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone4
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
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>
>
> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc.
>  What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

[John Scrivner]

There is no "staking your claim". I pushed for that as part of a
spectrum homesteading initiative which WISPA will not support...sadly.
We probably had a good shot at it through all the lobbying efforts we
did but the FCC Committee had people against the idea that building
broadband service should entitle you to an exclusive license for your
channel space in your coverage area. Opportunity lost...
Scriv



On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Forbes Mercy
 wrote:
>  OK so in my area there is a three channel space of 26,27 and, 28
> available.  I guess my goal is to camp out on 27, knowing this how to I
> stake the claim and start working toward deployment?  I know it's
> oversimplified but that's where I have to start.
>
> Forbes
>
> On 9/25/2010 8:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>    According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me.
>> Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time.
>> 6 channels are reserved for wireless mics.
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> 8 Channels around here for me...
>>>
>>> http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reeves   
>>> wrote:
 That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a 10mhz
 channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most
 people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear it
 just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate.

 Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels. One
 has 2, and a 3rd has 10!  I am very interested in find the exact
 contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible. Even
 just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while.

 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammett   
 wrote:
>    That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable throughput
> you're going to have to find several channels together.
>
> With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might double that.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>> Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like
>> 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels?
>> or will you need to pick 3 or 4?
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davis     
>> wrote:
>>> It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
>>> search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
>>> wrong?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
>>> 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
>>> Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
>>> have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
>>> jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
>>> results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
>>> bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
>>> back to the default. Any ideas?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble
>>>      wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>     http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/
>>>
>>> Kind of cool I think...
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq

[John Scrivner]

Excellent! Thank you!
Scriv

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Charles n wyble
 wrote:
> You make an excellent point. I will join wispa in the next few weeks and 
> contribute to the private wiki.
>
> Its certainly a well spent investment.  Now that I'm in the process of 
> Fielding the initial access points for my wisp its time for me to join up. :)
>
> "Rick Harnish"  wrote:
>
>>Charles,
>>
>>WISPA has a wiki open to members only.  We felt we needed a secure place for
>>secure content which is privy to members only. It would seem to me that
>>having a TV Whitespaces FAQ open to the public would make it easy for new
>>competition to enter the marketplace.  Are you sure you want to make it
>>public?  Our members dues have paid for the lobbying costs involved in
>>making an impact on the TV Whitespaces decision.  I doubt if the members who
>>invest $250 annually for dues would appreciate "giving away" the knowledge
>>base involved in TV Whitespaces to every Tom, Dick and Harry who decides
>>they can start a WISP on TV Whitespaces because they have read a FAQ.
>>
>>I may be wrong in my assumptions here, but I do hope you consider the
>>possible ramifications to your business and other WISPs who have invested
>>much of their own money and hard work to build their businesses to where
>>they are today.
>>
>>The idea is grand, but to me, it makes more sense for all WISPs to join
>>WISPA and keep some of this information out of the public eye.  It seems
>>like a very small investment to make for the "insurance" of knowing that our
>>hard work isn't subsidizing competition.
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>
>>Rick Harnish
>>Executive Director
>>WISPA
>>260-307-4000 cell
>>866-317-2851 WISPA Office
>>Skype: rick.harnish.
>>rharn...@wispa.org
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>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Charles n wyble
>>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:01 AM
>>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq
>>>
>>> Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to
>>> host one.
>>>
>>> I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads
>>> over and over. :)
>>>
>>> Who wants to work on a faq with me?
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Re: [WISPA] Obama wants unfettered access to your Internet activity

[John Scrivner]

I understand that while this may appear to be on topic that it is a
highly politically motivated and biased article. I would prefer we
leave things like this on the c...@wispa.org list to avoid the
inevitable political flame wars that will come from people trying to
debate their political points.
Scriv



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> http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-brief/51731-obama-wants-unfettered-access-to-your-internet-activity
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Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

[John Scrivner]

The actual frequency band has nothing to do with data capacity. The
carrier CHANNEL BANDWIDTH is the important number. If a 6 megahertz
wide channel is used at say 200-206 MHz then any modulation system
used on that carrier should be able to carry the same amount of data
as an equivalent channel at say 600-606 MHz. Note both carriers are 6
MHz wide. The capacity of the channel is determined by the spectral
efficiency of the system used to modulate and demodulate the
information from the channel's carrier(s). Do a Google search on
Nyquist / Shannon's Law / maximum bits per hertz to get a more
thorough understanding of the concepts. What we see in most of the
current systems we use for fixed wireless broadband are spectral
efficiencies from 0.5 to 10 bits per hertz. Some estimates say that we
will see roughly 17 bits per hertz from WiMAX and LTE deployments in
the coming months / years. This in large part due to the advancements
from MIMO which allows for in-channel reuse of the carrier bandwidth.
John Scrivner


On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Scott Reed  wrote:
> That is not exactly true.  Depends on the modulation techniques.  And I
> believe there is an upper limit to the number of bits you can get on a
> single cycle of the carrier.
>
> On 9/25/2010 10:32 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Just as fast as any other frequency.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> On 9/24/2010 5:50 PM, RickG wrote:
>
> But how fast can 200 or 300MHz go?
>
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Brian Webster
>  wrote:
>>
>> But what if you are able to use spectrum around 200 or 300 MHz? That
>> certainly goes through trees.
>>
>>
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:32 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, that really sucks. Many areas needing served have thick forest/trees
>> easilly 70ft tall.
>>
>> A 90ft height, just wouldn't allow enough of the signal to have open air,
>> and the signal would be going through trees most of the full path.
>>
>> In 900Mhz, the difference between having the tower side over the tree line
>> and below the tree line can be the difference between a quarter mile
>> coverage and a 7 mile coverage in our market.
>>
>> All be it, 700Mhz does have better NLOS propogation characteristics than
>> 900 does.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would have liked to see that height doubled.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, admittedly, it will allow much better spectrum re-use in areas
>> that have a limited number of channels available.
>>
>> Spectrum reuse is one of the best ways to serve more people.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> From: Fred Goldstein
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:36 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height
>>
>>
>>
>> This item alone may be the show-stopper, the poison pill that makes it
>> useless to WISPs in much of the country.
>>
>> In places where the routine variation in elevation is more than 75 meters,
>> there will be houses (subscribers) that are more than 76 meters AAT.  I
>> notice this in the areas I'm studying, both in the east and in the upper
>> midwest.
>>
>> In a place like Kansas, nobody is >75m AAT.  But in the woody Berkshires
>> of Western Massachusetts, the UHF space is needed to get through the trees,
>> and a significant share of houses are >75m AAT.  Also, if you want to cover
>> a decent radius, the access point needs to be up the hill too.  75 meters
>> isn't a mountaintop; it's just a little rise.
>>
>> It makes no sense to absolutely ban fixed use at a site that is 100m AAT
>> if the nearest protected-service contour is, say, 50 miles away.  A more
>> sensible rule would be to follow broadcast practice, and lower the ERP based
>> on height, so that the distance to a given signal strength contour is held
>> constant as the height rises.  Hence a Class A FM station is allowed up to
>> 15 miles, and if it is more than 300 feet AAT, then it is allowed less than
>> the 3000 watts ERP that apply at lower heights.
>>
>> Maybe the lawyers want to have more petitions to arg

Re: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave

[John Scrivner]

Attention Bridgewave Support,
You are being copied live on a WISPA email list server.  According to
the guy noted below you guys make it a policy to only sell radios in
pairs instead of one radio even in a hardship situation like this.
That really sounds like you are bullying the customer to me. So here
is the deal. You have a few hundred operators copied on this list. Is
this your policy? Are you going to help this operator or not? Remember
that the future ability for you to sell to operators representing a
couple of million customers are probably represented here on this list
and will read your reply. Let me be clear in stating that I pledge to
NEVER buy from your company, EVER ,if you are not going to help this
guy and sell him the one radio he needs to fix this terrible
situation.
Sincerely,
John Scrivner
President
Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc.



>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
>> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:53 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave
>>
>> One of our installers lost one end of a Bridgewave GE60.  According to
>> our
>> reseller we need to purchase a complete new link.
>>
>> What would you guys do in this case?  Press charges against the
>> installer
>> and file with insurance?  Just fire the employee?  Anyone else had
>> someone
>> this stupid do something similar?
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] [OT] Chicken Currency

[John Scrivner]

That was definitely one of the more memorable moments I have had with my
WISP pals. There is a picture somewhere during one of these excursions where
I am asking a bum if he has a dollar to spare...and he gives me one.
:-)
Scriv



On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Jeff Broadwick  wrote:

> LOL, I still am sore that they wouldn't let us borrow their chicken picture
> (that was in Dallas)!
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ImageStream
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 2:39 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [OT] Chicken Currency
>
> I love that story.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 4/25/2010 12:24 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
> > 95% of the members of this list are probably not familiar with an old
> > WISPCON story that had to do with chickens being currency in Latvia
> > and how I love to throw some abuse at the Mikrotik guys about this when I
> > see them.   For those 5% though, I think you will appreciate that
> > perhaps the Latvians are actually ahead of us:
> >
> > http://lowdenplan.com/
> >
> > The full Mikrotik chicken story is at the end of this email, for those
> > of you who might be interested.
> >
> > Matt Larsen
> > vistabeam.com
> >
> > The Mikrotik Chickens story
> >
> > During one of the Chicago WISPCONs (4 or 5, I believe) we had an
> > off-campus excursion that involved limosines, liquor and late night
> > activities.   At one point in the evening, I was in a limo with Arnis
> > from Mikrotik.   For those who don't know him, Arnis is a very
> > softspoken and intelligent guy.   The rest of the people in the limo
> > were pretty loud and raucus, while Arnis mostly sat quietly and
> > watched.   At some point in the conversation, John Scrivner asked him
> > what the "gentlemen's clubs" in Latvia were like.   At the same time,
> > someone else was talking about getting some fried chicken and coming up
> > with money to get it.   Between the two conversations, I thought that
> > something was said about chickens being used as currency in Latvia.
> > Smart ass that I am, I thought I'd make a comment:
> >
> > Me:  "Hey John, what's the worst thing about a Latvian gentleman's club?"
> > John:  "I don't know."
> > Me:  "Slipping the chickens into the dancer's G-string!"
> >
> >   From that point on, I have been quite boorishly giving the Mikrotik
> > guys the business about chickens as currency.   A picture of a chicken
> > in a hotel lobby became the "Latvian Express Card".   An order of wings
> > is "pocket change"  Etc etc.   It has been an endless source of
> > amusement for me, and not particularly funny to anyone else.
> >
> > Arnis got me at the last MUM.   He saw my business name (Vistabeam) and
> > started laughing at me.   I asked him what was so funny.   He said that
> > "Vista" means chicken in Latvian.   So the Latvian version of my
> > business name is "Chicken Wireless".Of course, this turned out to be
> > total BS, but I didn't get it figured out until a week later when I
> > went online and figured out that the Latvian word for chicken is "calis".
> >
> > Well played Arnis.
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Friday Funnies

[John Scrivner]

> And don't forget Trumpet Winsock!
>
> ryan
>
>
Wash your mouth out with soap when you say that! It is a dirty word! How
about those AT modem commands too!
Hahaha!
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison

[John Scrivner]

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> Yeah, funny, does not look like we are making much progress after 18 years
> does it.
>

Maybe it has something to do with the love affair most in this industry have
with focusing their plans over and over again on rigging up 802.11 products
(vendors and WISPs alike) and proprietary systems instead of concentrating
our buying and our building on outdoor, purpose-built standards like WiMAX
which would allow us to mature as an industry. There is a reason why DSL and
DOCSIS were created and supported by the telco and cable industries. They
understand the importance of creating a mass market and standards based
solution in order to drive their industry. The WISP industry seems to not
understand this.
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Re: [WISPA] connected nation mapping data

[John Scrivner]

I submitted my data to them for showing my network on their map. The
coverage map looked reasonably close to what we cover. I see no down side to
allowing them to show that your area has broadband. I can see abig downside
if this map is used for policy making and funding of where to build and you
are NOT listed there.  To each his own but I would rather have WISPs
plastering their map myself. It would help our industry efforts I think.
Scriv


On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> Does anyone here have any experience with Connected Nation / Connect Ohio
> on
> them wanting data from you for their mapping purposes? They are requesting
> I
> sign a non-disclosure agreement and then hand them over a list of all my
> towers, coordinates, frequency's, antenna, cable loss, equipment
> manufacturer, service plan speeds. Seems like they want a lot of personal
> information. I am just wondering besides mapping purposes what the
> secondary
> uses of this collected data will be used for.
>
>
>
> Feel free to email me off-list as well.
>
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Beta 5.2.4 Released

[John Scrivner]

I am not a huge UBNT fan but I might be persuaded to buy one of these for
each tower to setup as a remote Spectrum Analyzer for each tower location.
How much do these radios run and who sells them on here?
Scriv


On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Robert West wrote:

> UBNT Beta 5.2.4 was released yesterday.  (Stop the eye rolling.!  J )
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm cautious with the Betas so I'm trying the new UBNT AirOS Beta firmware
> on a couple of unused AP radios out in the field.
>
>
>
> The Beta has the AirView Spectrum Analyzer in it now.  Works darned good,
> looks just like the software for the little AirView devices we use.  This
> one lets me set the channel scan from 4900 to 6400, gives you the ability
> to
> control whatever range you want to monitor.  Nice and smooth.  Downfall is
> that if you do a spectral scan it takes the radio out of whatever mode you
> have and it drops the use of the antenna for anything other than the
> analyzer.  Expected and understandable, however.  No problem with that.
>
>
>
> It now has the ability to set Static Routes.  It's about time!  I will be
> playing with that little feature, off network of course, for the next
> couple
> of days.
>
>
>
> And I can now manually set the time zone and date.  I would have thought
> that to be a no brainer from the get go but it's finally included.
>
>
>
> Still waiting for VPN functions.  I can always dream.
>
>
>
> Anyone trying it?  Let me know if you find any issues, I'm waiting for a
> bit
> to see what shakes out before I jump in 100%.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Robert West
>
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

[John Scrivner]

I am not sure where you get your assumptions but they are not correct. Every
television channel has available 6 MHz of bandwidth and can be modulated
with the same amount of data regardless of where the channel resides in the
VHF or UHF frequency bands. The limiting factor for these lowest VHF
channels is the overall higher noise level which is certainly an issue but
not a deal killer for us. I am guessing that our use of the lowest VHF
channels would require more forward error correction to provide high quality
service. In my opinion this is a minor annoyance to be able to have coverage
to 100% of my potential customer base.
John Scrivner


On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:

> Mike, though I agree that circular polarization could work.  What channel
> width are you going to need to have a usable system.  I mean in the VHF band
> of 54 Mhz to 88 Mhz the frequency is to slow to have any ability to clock
> the data through at any worth wile speed. We are supposed to be giving
> customers more bandwidth and faster service.  Yes it would cut through trees
> and I would love it.  But at 2-3X dialup speed?
>
> The upper bands are definitely better but then you lower your penetration
> (>800 Mhz).
>
> Someone enlighten me here.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
>
> Awesome report!  Thanks.
> Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors, a
> turnstile antenna on the CPE, and it would be a perfect fit for THIS rural
> market.  At that power level, and circular polarization, I could reuse any
> channel on the same tower using opposite circular sense.  I know some of
> the
> discussion in the past on this list led some to believe an antenna would
> look like a big TV log periodic, but it just isn't so.  A TV antenna is by
> necessity a broadband device, and as such is BIG to handle a RANGE of
> frequencies.  A turnstile or other narrow band antenna could be built to
> blend with the aesthetics of a home or business.  Heck, if this comes to
> pass, I may go into the antenna building business just for this usage.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Gilchrist
> Disruptive Technologist
> Advanced Wireless Express
> P.O. Box 255
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 239.770.6203
> m...@aweiowa.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:41 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
>
> This is a great report good job guys and thank you.
>
> Next question.  I don't know any of the team personally just from your
> posts.  The picture in the report, can you give us a who's who left to
> right.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jack Unger
> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM
> To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
>
> Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA
> Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of Engineering
> and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters in Washington D.C.
> to discuss the status of WISPA's TV Whitespaces filings.
>
> The following Members represented WISPA. Ryan Spott, Alex Phillips, John
> Scriver, and Jack Unger. The WISPA Team was assisted by Steve Coran of
> Rini/Coran LLC in Washington.
>
> All Team Members made valuable contributions to the effort and we all feel
> that the meeting went well. Our goal was to ask the FCC take favorable
> action soon on WISPA's Petitions to adjust the TV Whitespace rules by
> making
> corrections to several problem areas, thereby making WISP use of the
> Whitespaces more practical and more successful.
>
> I'm attaching a more detailed report (.doc file) and also the official
> written filing (PDF) that WISPA is required to make after every meeting
> with
> the FCC. A copy of our FCC PowerPoint presentation is also required to be
> part of our written filing. To easily view our presentation, please rotate
> the attached PDF clockwise 90 degrees in your Adobe Reader viewer.
>
> Your questions and constructive suggestions are always welc

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

[John Scrivner]

Let me guess...Hybrid Technologies. I tried to lease space from Heartland to
launch the same system but they would not get me access to their spectrum
under any terms. Spectrum is the key.
Scriv


On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 4:36 PM, RickG  wrote:

> Back in the late 90's when I was running an MMDS operation on 2.5MHz,
> we used a 100 watt system. We had customers more than 30 miles away
> with multi-megabit connections. Give me power!
>
> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
> > 20 watt radio's? Going into lets say a 6db antenna? Your looking at 80
> > watts. Is this really necessary?
> >
> > Kurt Fankhauser
> > WAVELINC
> > P.O. Box 126
> > Bucyrus, OH 44820
> > 419-562-6405
> > www.wavelinc.com
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Ryan Spott
> > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
> >
> > This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio.
> >
> > We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly)
> >
> > ryan
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
> >
> >> The 20 watt power output request. Is this for total ERP or at the radio?
> >>
> >> Kurt Fankhauser
> >> WAVELINC
> >> P.O. Box 126
> >> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> >> 419-562-6405
> >> www.wavelinc.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Jack Unger
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM
> >> To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List
> >> Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
> >>
> >> Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA
> >> Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of
> >> Engineering and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters in Washington D.C.
> >> to discuss the status of WISPA's TV Whitespaces filings.
> >>
> >> The following Members represented WISPA. Ryan Spott, Alex Phillips, John
> >> Scriver, and Jack Unger. The WISPA Team was assisted by Steve Coran of
> >> Rini/Coran LLC in Washington.
> >>
> >> All Team Members made valuable contributions to the effort and we all
> >> feel that the meeting went well. Our goal was to ask the FCC take
> >> favorable action soon on WISPA's Petitions to adjust the TV Whitespace
> >> rules by making corrections to several problem areas, thereby making
> >> WISP use of the Whitespaces more practical and more successful.
> >>
> >> I'm attaching a more detailed report (.doc file) and also the official
> >> written filing (PDF) that WISPA is required to make after every meeting
> >> with the FCC. A copy of our FCC PowerPoint presentation is also required
> >> to be part of our written filing. To easily view our presentation,
> >> please rotate the attached PDF clockwise 90 degrees in your Adobe Reader
> >> viewer.
> >>
> >> Your questions and constructive suggestions are always welcome.
> >>
> >> Respectfully Submitted,
> >>
> >> Jack Unger
> >> WISPA FCC Committee Chair
> >> 818-227-4220
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
> >> Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing
> >> Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since
> >> 1993
> >> www.ask-wi.com  818-227-4220  jun...@ask-wi.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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[WISPA] Redline RedMAX CPE

[John Scrivner]

I need to buy 2 or 3 new RedMAX 3650 WiMAX CPE but do not want to pay the
higher single unit price. Has anyone out there made the bulk purchase who is
willing to sell a couple or three of them to me? I will pay more than your
unit price but want to get lower than the standard RedMAX single unit price.
Your help is appreciated. Please hit me offlist...j...@scrivner.com
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Re: [WISPA] Thank You to WISPA - Education Network in Honduras

[John Scrivner]

It is good to see WISPA doing things to make a difference. This is one
project I did not even know we had been part of as an industry association.
I am elated to hear that our group helped out in this. I had no role in this
myself at all but I feel very much tied to WISPA and our collective efforts
so thanks to all of you involved on doing something positive to make this a
better world for us all.
Warmest regards,
John Scrivner



On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS <
ilopezli...@sandboxitsolutions.com> wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> I wanted to thank the WISPA community for being quite helpful and
> generous.  I have been leading a team to implement/replace an aging
> wireless network in Honduras for three schools and their volunteer
> homes.  It has been a long year and a half, but it has paid off.
>
> They had 9 locations, 800kbps-3mbps throughput, 100-400ms latency, and
> +20% loss.
> Now they have: 9 Locations, 12mbps throughput, 1-4ms latency, between
> 0-2% packet loss at the schools, and 1-10% packet loss at the volunteer
> homes.
>
> In the year after our April 2009 assessment trip we spent time planning,
> designing, and running dry runs, we still had to adapt to what was 'on
> the ground.' It was a challenge properly grounding our 40meter tower,
> installing the equipment at the various locations, battling contractor
> costs, freak lightning storms, and a last minute show stopper with
> routing loops.
>
> In the end the schools have a better platform for education &
> technology, and we hope to support them through the entire process of
> technology in the hands of the kids.
>
> I will be presenting the implementation story to a local user group here
> in Southern California, I will have the presentation recorded if you all
> are interested I will make the link available.
>
> As promised I have some implementation pictures to share.
> http://picasaweb.google.com/israel.lopez/HondurasAllPics#
>
> This was one of the first Wireless projects with Engineers Without
> Borders, we are quite proud of the people that have volunteered to help
> remotely, and in country.  I personally would like to see more
> Technology Engineering projects in developing countries, so if you think
> you can help, visit one of your local EWB Professional chapters, talk to
> them, see if technology may be something their communities may need.
> http://ewb-usa.org/chapters.php.
>
> In support of technology projects/professionals in EWB I have created
> http://EWBTechies.org if you become a member, please join and let us
> know how you want to help!
>
> Special Thanks goes to:
> Ubiquiti Networks - Donated some radios & helped us RMA a unit right
> before we left LAX
> WLANMall.com - For the WiSPY 2.4x that we won for our school
> Western Digital - Donation of USB Hard Drives for Backup of our Servers
> & Critical Data
>
> Thank You,
>
> Israel Lopez
>
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[WISPA] Where is Jack Rickard?

[John Scrivner]

I have had the pleasure of staying in touch with Jack Rickard,  the founder
of Boardwatch Magazine and ISPCON, over the last few years. His new passion
these days is building electric cars and reporting on his progress on the
technology. It obviously has nothing to do with wireless but many of you
probably followed Jack for years through the early days of the Internet and
I thought you might want to watch some video of his latest projects. This is
better than anything shown on History, Discover and the Learning Channel
combined. If you do not watch anything else make sure you watch his test
drive videos of his electric Porsche. The discussions he shares are even
more fascinating than the car itself. Sorry for the off topic post. For many
of you I think you will agree that it is worth going off base a little.

http://www.youtube.com/user/marionRickard

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[WISPA] Surplus Tranzeo 900 Radios for sale

[John Scrivner]

We are NOT an equipment vendor by trade. We have several Tranzeo 900 MHz
radios that are used but in perfect working condition. (Used but works like
new)  We are migrating our 900 MHz systems from Tranzeo over to Canopy over
the next year or so and we will be selling these as we get them in. These
are all removed from operation in good working order with full mounting
hardware, power inserter and power supply. I believe we have 25 of these
right now and more to come soon. $250 each OR BEST OFFER gets them all. Send
a note to m...@mvn.net or call him at 618-244-6868 with your maximum
quantity requested and your offer. Credit card or cashier's check accepted.
You will be charged for shipping unless you wish to pick them up in Mt.
Vernon, Illinois. Returns for DOA only and only within 7 days of date of
delivery.
Again the contact is:
Mike Scrivner
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Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

[John Scrivner]

I want to offer mobile and fixed broadband via WiMAX. I am having trouble
getting access to quality spectrum. I have cash in hand ready to buy
equipment TODAY. I have towers. I have potential customers. I have excess
bandwidth capacity ready to roll. SPECTRUM...SPECTRUM...SPECTRUM. I hope
that is clear enough!

By the way, I have had enough trouble relating to the spectrum crunch in
this country that I will be deploying FTTH whether I get spectrum now or
not. I have learned my lesson. That lesson is that the United States
government does not really care about the average WISP or rural America's
access to broadband. If they really cared they would be setting up programs
to help us including programs to get us access to more quality spectrum. I
do not consider the current whitespaces rules to be a genuine attempt to
help and the ARRA program is biased toward larger players only IMO. It
almost appears they want us to fail.
John Scrivner


On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Patrick Leary  wrote:

>
> Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I
> am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why?
>
> Some possibilities:
> Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or
> otherwise gone?
> Is it competition? If so, how specifically.
> Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits
> (e.g. health insurance)?
> Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application?
> Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus
> application that would include your market?
> Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to
> deliver what you need to compete?
>
> Patrick Leary
> Aperto Networks
> 813.426.4230 mobile
>
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[WISPA] Waverider CCU (old model)

[John Scrivner]

I am searching for spare gear. Lightning just took another old Waverider
CCU. If any of you have some collecting dust I am buying. Hit me offlist
with subject line of Waverider CCU.
Thanks guys,
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900 Latency

[John Scrivner]

Thanks for all these good tips. The items below are the things we have tried
so far with no success. We are using smaller channels, H-pol. Filters have
not helped the problem, noise floor is actually pretty good, C/I of about 20
on most CPE.. We are going to try the two setting changes that Daniel and
Tom advised in other posts relating to beacon and RTS on clients. I will
report our results.
Thanks to all!
Scriv


On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:33 AM, 3-dB Networks  wrote:

> What does your noise floor look like? C/I?
> Have you tried moving from H-pol to V-pol and vice versa?
> Could it be self interference (which I think might be the biggest problem
> with 900MHz, at least the possibility of it)?
> What type of antennas are you using... can you sectorize further or put
> higher gain antennas at the clients?
> Can you add filters possibly to help with the noise?
> How large are your channels?  Can you use a smaller channel?
>
> Assuming your sectors are not overloaded... I would assume interference
> too.
>
> Now I would pitch Canopy... but I'm sure you don't want to hear that :-D
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >Behalf Of John Scrivner
> >Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:10 AM
> >To: WISPA General List
> >Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900 Latency
> >
> >We have a couple of sectors of 900 MHz Tranzeo which were running fine
> >previously but seem to experience enormous latency at times now. I am
> >talking about upwards of 5000 milliseconds (5 full seconds) for a return
> >on
> >a ping. It is intermittent. I am guessing interference but was wondering
> >if
> >anyone had seen anything else cause this. We have had limited success in
> >dealing with interference in 900 MHz previously so we are hoping there
> >is
> >something else we can try before completely bailing on the band in those
> >locations. Any ideas are appreciated.
> >John Scrivner
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[WISPA] Tranzeo 900 Latency

[John Scrivner]

We have a couple of sectors of 900 MHz Tranzeo which were running fine
previously but seem to experience enormous latency at times now. I am
talking about upwards of 5000 milliseconds (5 full seconds) for a return on
a ping. It is intermittent. I am guessing interference but was wondering if
anyone had seen anything else cause this. We have had limited success in
dealing with interference in 900 MHz previously so we are hoping there is
something else we can try before completely bailing on the band in those
locations. Any ideas are appreciated.
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Re: [WISPA] HELP !

[John Scrivner]

We want to publicly thank Robert at BPS ffor helping us yesterday. He even
drove part way to us to cut the drive time down so we could restore service
quicker. What a guy! We may want to buy a couple of spare CCUs from others
out there so if you have the old Waverider CCUs (or new ones for that
matter) then email me offlist please and let me know quantity and price for
those.
Thank you,
John Scrivner


On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 12:32 PM, John Scrivner  wrote:

> I need a Waverider CCU today if possible. Lightning damage and our spare
> one is not working. Will drive to you to get it. Old or new model CCU will
> work. Call me asap 618-237-2387.
> Thank you,
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[WISPA] HELP !

[John Scrivner]

I need a Waverider CCU today if possible. Lightning damage and our spare one
is not working. Will drive to you to get it. Old or new model CCU will work.
Call me asap 618-237-2387.
Thank you,
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[WISPA] Happy Birthday Stuart Pierce!

[John Scrivner]

Sorry Stuart... I could not resist telling the WISP world it is your
birthday today. I wish we could all get together and make beer floats with
your ice cream.   Hahaha!Have you ever done that? I might actually do
that with a Guiness I think. I am a little bit twisted though!
:-)
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Re: [WISPA] Noise by me on a tower

[John Scrivner]

Shielded Cat 5 and Ferrite Beads are your friend. I have been where
you are and this fixed it all for me.
Scriv


On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> I have an odd situation, I have 2-2.4 180* sectors MT RB411 and 5-5.8 StarOS 
> War1 backhaul radios and a RB600 router at the top of a 265ft old AT&T 
> microwave tower. The top has a grounded NEMA metal box and POE powered by an 
> Allen Bradley converter. I have an AC and an Ethernet run to the base where I 
> have a APC UPS.
>
> The owner just leased space to another client 20 Feet away on same level from 
> me.  It is a local REMC doing meter reading on 221Mhz.  They were having 
> problems with receiving they brought in a spectrum analyzer and there was a 
> noise floor of -71 at 220Mhz.  The tower owner being an radio guy not a 
> wireless guy just killed power on the ups. (taking down all my stuff and 
> locking up 1 one of the radios for an hour GRRR)  When our equipment was off 
> the noise floor went to -108.  As soon as he powered me back up the noise 
> returned.  They actually said that there was noise from around 150Mhz to 
> 240Mhz.
>
> Everything is grounded and cased in metal except the LMR that goes to the 
> Antennas, the AC wire is in flex and the shielded Ethernet down the tower.
>
> Ideas? there might be a little noise off the oscillators of the War-1 boards 
> but that's 175Mhz.  The Ethernet is 100Mhz, RB411 300Mhz and RB600 266 MHz
>
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Re: [WISPA] Signal Strengths

[John Scrivner]

This is almost certainly multipath interference where reflections are
cancelling  out the signal. Diversity is the only solution I know of
for this.
Scriv


On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Jason Wallace  wrote:
> Everyone,
>
>    I had trouble during an install today regarding signal strengths.
> 2.4Ghz CPE in a location that should be no problem.  Moving the CPE two
> feet in any direction from the point where the CPE was installed
> increased the signal by around 20db (-90 to -70!)
>
> Any idea of what phenomenon I am dealing with?
>
> Anything I should consider as I correct this install?
>
> Jason
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Re: [WISPA] 1 AP and 2 antennas

[John Scrivner]

Use a standoff bracket to mount an omni.
Scriv


On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Adam Goodman  wrote:
> Hi,
> I would like to set up 2 antennas (East and West more or less) but
> will not get more than 30 subs between the 2. I would like to connect
> both antennas to one AP. Normally, I would not even dream of doing
> this. However this is a small valey with low interferance. And all the
> subs will be very clse, peobably less than a quarter mile from the AP.
>
> I am planning to use 900MHz for this. So I guess this would be a
> device that would connect to the AP with one COAX and then connect to
> each antenna with a COAX. So, 3 N connectors.
>
> Has any of you done this, did you have success, and what is the device
> called, and where would I get it?
>
> Thank you,
> Adam
>
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Re: [WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's?

[John Scrivner]

I would suggest taking this up with your attorney.
Scriv


On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> I recently set up an AP on a nearby village's water tower and they are now
> sending me income tax papers saying I need file with their village. Our
> office is not in their village and I don't live in their village so I see no
> reason for filing. The only thing that ties me to them is the lone AP on
> their water tower. I am on 3 other city's water tower's in the same area and
> none of them have said anything about filing with them.
>
>
>
> The contract between the village and I states nothing about taxes or
> exchange of money for using the tower.
>
>
>
> 1 - Is income derived from clients residing in the village limits taxable as
> income?
>
> 2 - What about income derived from clients residing outside the village
> limits but running off the AP in the village limits?
>
> 3 - Even if so, why do the other ISP's that provide service to residents in
> the village not have to file income tax to this village?
>
> 4 - By filing income within the village I would technically be paying tax on
> income from all my towers generating revenue that have nothing to do with
> their tower.
>
>
>
> As far as I know there is no ordinance regarding internet service within the
> village in any way.
>
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
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Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

[John Scrivner]

No.
Scriv



On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Chuck Bartosch
 wrote:
> John,
>
> Is this with diversity antennas?
>
> Chuck
>
> On Apr 23, 2009, at 4:41 PM, John Scrivner wrote:
>
>> I was not saying you CANNOT possibly do that distance. It was being
>> referenced as a typical cell radius spec for discussion here and
>> frankly that is unrealistic. I find that everyone in roughly a quarter
>> mile radius can get our 3650 WiMax service regardless of terrain and
>> obstacles in the way. It will penetrate a forest at that distance from
>> my experience. Beyond that you need at least partial LOS. After about
>> 1.5 miles radius you better have good LOS out to as far as you wish to
>> set your timing to allow for proper ACK signaling. I think we have
>> ours set to about 6 miles max or so. Our longest CPE connection
>> distance is about 3/4 of a mile right now. The WiMax service runs
>> flawlessly. We have it positioned as a top of the line service for our
>> leased line style customers. One of them bought both leased line and
>> WiMax from us. We nearly doubled our monthly ARPU on that one.  :-)
>> It took 3 customers to pay for our WiMax installation here with an 18
>> month payout. We sold those in the first 2 months. That is not too
>> shabby!   :-)
>> Scriv
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Mike Hammett > > wrote:
>>> I can do almost 20 km with 5 GHz, why can't I with 3650?
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "John Scrivner" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:32 AM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Patrick Leary >>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks for the compliment Daniel, but please God, let's not have
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> thinking they can build a 30 km radius cell with our stuff or
>>>>> anyone's
>>>>> stuff in WiMAX. I don't care if you can see your dog running away
>>>>> for
>>>>> three days it is so flat and the sun always shines and the wind is
>>>>> always at your back -- I know of no PMP situation where such a cell
>>>>> should ever be built.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick Leary
>>>>> Aperto Networks
>>>>> 813.426.4230 mobile
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Patrick. It took me a long time to get past the original
>>>> snake
>>>> oil mentality of WiMax proponents when they were claiming 70
>>>> megabits
>>>> out 70 miles. I went through a phase of being dead set against WiMax
>>>> because I thought the culture lacked integrity over all the false
>>>> hype. Then I began reading the real story of what made 802.16
>>>> technology tick. The more I read the more I decided that it really
>>>> is
>>>> a sound technology. I eventually bought a system from Redline and
>>>> have
>>>> been quite happy with the results. It is nice to be able to go
>>>> into my
>>>> higher end business customers and tell them I can deliver more for
>>>> their money through the air than cable and DSL can bring to the
>>>> table.
>>>> That is TRUE. The service flows capability alone make WiMax worth
>>>> the
>>>> extra bucks.
>>>>
>>>> Now fast forward to this thread. I have seen my WiMax vendor of
>>>> choice
>>>> bashed by another vendor rep. I have seen the same person claiming
>>>> 20
>>>> to 30km sized cells in 3650 which is not a reasonable expectation.
>>>> It
>>>> makes me sick to my stomach. We should expect that people will act
>>>> with respect and integrity on industry list servers. Let's
>>>> straighten
>>>> up folks.
>>>> Scriv
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

[John Scrivner]

I was not saying you CANNOT possibly do that distance. It was being
referenced as a typical cell radius spec for discussion here and
frankly that is unrealistic. I find that everyone in roughly a quarter
mile radius can get our 3650 WiMax service regardless of terrain and
obstacles in the way. It will penetrate a forest at that distance from
my experience. Beyond that you need at least partial LOS. After about
1.5 miles radius you better have good LOS out to as far as you wish to
set your timing to allow for proper ACK signaling. I think we have
ours set to about 6 miles max or so. Our longest CPE connection
distance is about 3/4 of a mile right now. The WiMax service runs
flawlessly. We have it positioned as a top of the line service for our
leased line style customers. One of them bought both leased line and
WiMax from us. We nearly doubled our monthly ARPU on that one.  :-)
It took 3 customers to pay for our WiMax installation here with an 18
month payout. We sold those in the first 2 months. That is not too
shabby!   :-)
Scriv


On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> I can do almost 20 km with 5 GHz, why can't I with 3650?
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> ------
> From: "John Scrivner" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:32 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Patrick Leary 
>> wrote:
>>> Thanks for the compliment Daniel, but please God, let's not have anyone
>>> thinking they can build a 30 km radius cell with our stuff or anyone's
>>> stuff in WiMAX. I don't care if you can see your dog running away for
>>> three days it is so flat and the sun always shines and the wind is
>>> always at your back -- I know of no PMP situation where such a cell
>>> should ever be built.
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick Leary
>>> Aperto Networks
>>> 813.426.4230 mobile
>>
>> Thanks Patrick. It took me a long time to get past the original snake
>> oil mentality of WiMax proponents when they were claiming 70 megabits
>> out 70 miles. I went through a phase of being dead set against WiMax
>> because I thought the culture lacked integrity over all the false
>> hype. Then I began reading the real story of what made 802.16
>> technology tick. The more I read the more I decided that it really is
>> a sound technology. I eventually bought a system from Redline and have
>> been quite happy with the results. It is nice to be able to go into my
>> higher end business customers and tell them I can deliver more for
>> their money through the air than cable and DSL can bring to the table.
>> That is TRUE. The service flows capability alone make WiMax worth the
>> extra bucks.
>>
>> Now fast forward to this thread. I have seen my WiMax vendor of choice
>> bashed by another vendor rep. I have seen the same person claiming 20
>> to 30km sized cells in 3650 which is not a reasonable expectation. It
>> makes me sick to my stomach. We should expect that people will act
>> with respect and integrity on industry list servers. Let's straighten
>> up folks.
>> Scriv
>>
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Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

[John Scrivner]

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
> Thanks for the compliment Daniel, but please God, let's not have anyone
> thinking they can build a 30 km radius cell with our stuff or anyone's
> stuff in WiMAX. I don't care if you can see your dog running away for
> three days it is so flat and the sun always shines and the wind is
> always at your back -- I know of no PMP situation where such a cell
> should ever be built.
>
>
> Patrick Leary
> Aperto Networks
> 813.426.4230 mobile

Thanks Patrick. It took me a long time to get past the original snake
oil mentality of WiMax proponents when they were claiming 70 megabits
out 70 miles. I went through a phase of being dead set against WiMax
because I thought the culture lacked integrity over all the false
hype. Then I began reading the real story of what made 802.16
technology tick. The more I read the more I decided that it really is
a sound technology. I eventually bought a system from Redline and have
been quite happy with the results. It is nice to be able to go into my
higher end business customers and tell them I can deliver more for
their money through the air than cable and DSL can bring to the table.
That is TRUE. The service flows capability alone make WiMax worth the
extra bucks.

Now fast forward to this thread. I have seen my WiMax vendor of choice
bashed by another vendor rep. I have seen the same person claiming 20
to 30km sized cells in 3650 which is not a reasonable expectation. It
makes me sick to my stomach. We should expect that people will act
with respect and integrity on industry list servers. Let's straighten
up folks.
Scriv



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Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

[John Scrivner]

>
> Cell radius= 30km

> The point is for a TCO, that's one tower site to cover a
> 20km radius, meaning less leases per month of 1k or more, so isntead of 4
> tower sites to cover this area ( and pay 4k per month )
>

So...how are you breaking the laws of physics with this system? Unless
you are serving the middle of the dessert then you probably need to
back your cell radius down to say 3km. I see above you use 2 different
cell radius figures. Is it possible you are overstating expectations
in a big way here Jeff? I am a proponent of WiMax but I am getting
sick and tired of seeing bloated specs to sell systems. It is NOT
something I want to see and I feel that these false representations
have hurt WiMax adoption for years.
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Re: [WISPA] Wimax 802.16d v 802.16e

[John Scrivner]

Here is the quick answer:
802.16d is a fixed only technology (no mobility) which performs quite
well for delivering broadband to homes and businesses. Highly
available. Secure. More expensive, more scalable and somewhat higher
latency than similar fixed technologies based on 802.11 and other
proprietary systems similar to 802.11. Most prominently used in 3.65
GHz in the US. Heavily used in 3.5 GHz in  international areas where
no copper plant has been installed previously. Unique feature of this
technology is the ability to provision service flows with predictable
performance criteria. This enables SLA provisioning on wireless
broadband virtual circuits and many other advantages over any other
broadband platform (wireless or wired).

802.16e is a fixed and mobile platform. This is being used now in 2.5
GHz licensed band in the US and elsewhere. Very little has been done
to take full advantage of mobility in this band. More expensive to
deploy than 802.16d. Higher latency than 802.16d. This is a direct
competitor to LTE systems for cellular. If you do not hold an
exclusive licensee in  2.5 GHz then this is not likely an option for
you at this time.

For more input and more help take it to the memb...@wispa.org list for
paid members and we can dig into it deeper including step by step
instructions for getting your own 3.65 license and applying for
locations.
Scriv


On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Michael Baird  wrote:
> I'm researching these two technologies and Wimax in general, does anyone
> have any firsthand experience with the two current different types of
> Wimax, or references to the differences in the two different types of
> technologies for broadband fixed rural deployments?
>
> Regards
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>
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Re: [WISPA] FW: Tranzeo Cleaning out the Cupboards Sale

[John Scrivner]

As far as I am concerned this is spam. Tranzeo is NOT a paid vendor
member of WISPA and as such gets no free ads here. Even if they were a
member this is not how approved ads are sent to our list membership.
Please refrain from sending out vendor ads to our list without board
approval.
Thank you,
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 wrote:
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>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Insurance on equipment

[John Scrivner]

I carry a very high deductible (like $10K per incident). I keep
insurance strictly for liability coverage and for catastrophic
coverage like if our office burns down or a tornado comes through and
wipes everything out. My rates are low and I do not plan to ever make
a claim. Insurance companies are in business to make money like
everyone else. If you use it on small claims then you eat away their
profit and they have little choice but to consider you as a higher
risk. Cable TV companies and power companies do not make frequent
small claims. They take the same approach as I outline above I think.
At a minimum you MUST have liability coverage in order to locate on
leased space on towers, poles, etc. There is value in them covering
you for up to a million or two in liability even if a claim is never
made. I hope that WISPs think hard about how they interact with
insurance companies and how we as an industry are perceived by our
carriers. If WISPs as an industry are seen as companies who make
frequent claims for any loss then I am guessing this will become a
factor in how all WISPs are rated for insurance. Do yourselves a favor
and plan NOT to make claims on insurance. Buy extra gear for your
towers for replacements and budget a percentage of your gear as having
to be replaced each year for upgrades, loss, etc. It is cheaper to
self-insure your gear than to think you can have your insurance carry
you for every little claim for lightening damage and such.
Scriv


On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Scottie Arnett  wrote:
> Typical "legal organized crime" insurance companies. As long as you are 
> paying them and not filing a claim, everything is happy go lucky. File one 
> claim and they want to jack your rates through the roof or cancel your 
> policy. How do they get away with this stuff? I have 1st hand experience with 
> it. I can't believe all are like that, but all I have ever dealt with are. If 
> anyone knows of a "professional" insurance company that provides what they 
> say without the "crap mentioned above", please let me know.
>
> Scott
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Josh Luthman 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:13:02 -0400
>
>>What I have heard from other WISPs is that once you do a big claim they
>>cancel your policy.  I've heard it from multiple angels from multiple
>>companies so I've always believed it to be true.
>>
>>Josh Luthman
>>Office: 937-552-2340
>>Direct: 937-552-2343
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>>
>>Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>>--- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Charles Wyble wrote:
>>
>>> Why would one find another insurer?
>>>
>>> I do believe they can do a search on claims you have filed and charge
>>> accordingly. So changing insurers most likely won't help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> > What we do and what I've been suggested is hold onto an insurance policy
>>> and
>>> > use it when you really have to.  If an AP or two and some CPEs go bad,
>>> don't
>>> > claim it as it your rates will rise or the policy may be canceled.
>>> >
>>> > If you lost an entire tower and hundreds of thousands of dollars (or
>>> > whatever size completely kicks your bucket) then claim it and prepare to
>>> > find another insurer.
>>> >
>>> > Josh Luthman
>>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> > 1100 Wayne St
>>> > Suite 1337
>>> > Troy, OH 45373
>>> >
>>> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>>> > --- Henry Spencer
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Alan Long 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> All gear.
>>> >>
>>> >> 
>>> >> Aerowire
>>> >> Alan Long
>>> >> Director of Network Operations
>>> >> alan.l...@aerowire.net
>>> >> 687 North Dean Road
>>> >> Auburn, AL 36830
>>> >> tel: 3342759998
>>> >> mobile: 336092
>>> >> 
>>> >> -Original Message-
>>> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> >> Behalf Of Charles Wyble
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:30 PM
>>> >> To: WISPA General List
>>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance on equipment
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm guessing you mean AP gear and not CPE? Or do you mean CPE as well?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Alan Long wrote:
>>> >>> Anyone have information/experience with insuring your equipment against
>>> >>> damage. My main concern is weather related damage.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] IPTV

[John Scrivner]

What led you to believe you do not need a franchise agreement for IPTV?
Scriv


On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> Has anyone worked with IPTV service at all?
>
> Looking at an H.264 or VC-1 architecture, since they are the most bandwidth 
> efficient.  It also appears that if you use IP, you don't need franchise 
> agreements, where as you do with RF TV.
>
>
> -
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[WISPA] Test - Ignore please

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Re: [WISPA] Promotion

[John Scrivner]

Why not go ahead and sell them the service over this? Just have it
take them to the signup page and process their credit card, add to
radius, activate service?
Scriv


On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
> I got towers.  Lots of them.  Many don't have any kind
> of wireless service anywhere close, some don't have any
> kind of high speed service of any kind.
>
> I would like to put up on some of them, for a fairly short
> period of time, something like a hotspot, say a cheap router
> that people can connect to, they see a splash page that says
>
> "If you are intersted in HIGH SPEED WIRELESS service, please
> call 800-467-2346"
>
> Then we could log the calls, take their information, and if enough
> calls were recieved we could start talking to WISPS in adjoining
> areas to see if someone might be interested in providing service
> there.
>
> A market study if you will.
>
> Who makes a cheap box that I could hook to an OMNI with
> such a thing?
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Adapter for digital PBX over wireless

[John Scrivner]

This is not supported. For this to work the interface would have to be
capable of replicating all the digital PBX signals from end to end
(digital phone to PBX port). Currently only analog PSTN replication is
supported or pure VoIP. Digital PBX systems (non-VoIP) do not fall
under either category. The closest you can do to replicate this
functionality is to use a single line analog station port from a PBX
to allow for star codes and such to be forwarded through a standard
PSTN single line phone back to the PBX. To do what you are requesting
using a PBX digital phone would require a new interface design that
has not been built. This is likely possible if you want it bad enough.
There may even be a market for such an interface. The maker of the
digital PBX may even be willing to work with you on such functionality
if they have enough call for this themselves. When you find your
solution please share. I have struggled with how best to tie into my
old PBX also and welcome feedback and how you skin this cat. I will
likely build a complete new VoIP based PBX to solve it on my end. I
have been wanting to learn more about VoIP anyway and this just seems
to be the best way to do it. Nothing like eating your own dog food  if
you want to learn something! :-)
Scriv


On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Patrick Nix Jr.
 wrote:
> What we are looking for is not really a converter, but an adapter that just 
> extends one extension out of say a punch block over wireless to a remote 
> office.  So that they could plug in one of their digital phones into it and 
> have a live extension.
>
> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
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> Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net
> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:21 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VOIP Adapter for digital PBX over wireless
>
> Usually the phone guy has to install a interface board to give analog OPX in 
> the PBX.  Each system is proprientary so there is no after market converter 
> that is universal that I know of.
>
> Bob
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Patrick Nix Jr." 
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:11:10
> To: 
> Subject: [WISPA] VOIP Adapter for digital PBX over wireless
>
>
> Any suggestions for a reliable inexpensive point to point voip adapter
> that will carry a digital phone extension across wireless to a remote
> office.  Here's the scenario: A manufacturing environment needs to
> extend a phone extension out to a guard shack.  The wireless network is
> already in place, and they are currently extending an analog extension
> there using multitech voip gateway.  Any suggestions for exchanging this
> for something that will handle digital
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Releases New Rules on 4.9 GHz

[John Scrivner]

How is this different than what we already had in 4.9 GHz?
Thank you,
John Scrivner

PS. I would watch the presentation if you can forward me a link.



On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Kevin Suitor
 wrote:
> All,
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>
> Thought this might be of interest since there have been many threads on this
> in the past months.  By the way, Redline offers Part-90 approved AN-80i
> solutions for this band.  If you missed it, we ran a public webinar
> yesterday on public safety applications.  Hit me off-list and I will point
> you to the archive of the webinar.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
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[WISPA] Test Again - Ignore Again

[John Scrivner]

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[WISPA] Waverider EUMs for sale

[John Scrivner]

We have 30 surplus used Waverider 900 MHz EUMs and power supplies for
sale. These units were all fully functional when removed from service.
 Guaranteed no DOA.. Asking $100 each or best offer. We will split
these up if you do not want all 30 of them. Contact m...@mvn.net
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Re: [WISPA] spoiled generation

[John Scrivner]

George,
This may well get my pick as my favorite YouTube video of all time. I
really enjoyed it. Thank you!
Scriv

PS. Here is me playing drums on Bealle Street in Memphis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoX0ZkTbK6E
(Poor quality video/audio but one of the best times of my life)




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Re: [WISPA] Radius authentication

[John Scrivner]

It has already been stated but worth stating again. Free Radius would
do the job. If you are not comfortable setting this up yourself you
should consider paying a consultant on here. We have a few good ones
which are Vendor Members of WISPA. I use some of these guys myself
from time to time and they have done good work for me. I will let them
call on you as opposed to naming them and possibly leaving someone off
the list by accident. If I were you though I would only use
consultants who are Vendor Members of WISPA. It is their dues that pay
for this free list service which you are using to find your help. They
should get at least first shot at our business in my opinion.
Scriv


On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Alan Long  wrote:
> I currently have an ip3 authentication gateway at my headend that everyone
> passes through. They currently have an access code that is housed on the
> ip3, but I want to move the authentication piece off that box over to a
> radius server, so when I replace the ip3(which they are no longer in
> business and I have no support), my authentication piece will not be lost.
>
> 
> Aerowire
> Alan Long
> Director of Network Operations
> alan.l...@aerowire.net
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> Auburn, AL 36830
> tel: 3342759998
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of John Rock
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 8:53 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radius authentication
>
> What are you setting up a radius server for? Certain providers have
> authentication you can use for certain purposes for cheap...or even free
> with other services.
> Free Radius will work for almost all services but you will need to run it
> all yourself, if you are prepared to that then great otherwise farm out
> large scale domain and authentication services.
> Again what do you need it for?
>
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>
> I need to setup a radius server and wanted to ask what you recommend/use. I
> have used steel belted radius in the past , but it has been a long time. I
> basically just need to be able to setup usernames and password auth off my
> gateway box.  Thanks for any suggestions, and of course free would be
> nice...
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Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

[John Scrivner]

>From your side of this it certainly sounds like you have the edge on
them in the long haul. Investor money will only last so long. I am
surprised it is still there at all if that is all that keeps them
afloat as you are implying. At this point I wish I could get a real
look at their books and compare to their model assumptions. It would
be an interesting story to read I think. I am sure I would learn
things.

I know that bloated mobile wireless business models seem to work for
some like Verizon and AT&T doing mobile voice and data. I have seen
fixed licensed WiMax biz plans that show a projected profit by year 4
with seemingly realistic assumptions. Whether the guys you are up
against are following this plan is something we just do not know. I
know that many models do not accurately predict churn, rate erosion,
penetration and competitive threats. A plan has to do more than look
good, it has to be right. I am guessing very few wireless models are
within 20% of projections after 3 years. After 5 years I am guessing
the model is more like 50% plus or minus at best.

What I see in contrast for most good WISPs is that they generally are
able to hold or increase ARPU, have low churn and deal admirably with
competitive threats. WISPs do not risk enough for their model to ever
really break. Most WISPs suffer in the penetration area due largely to
poor spectrum assets. This poor spectrum, non-exclusivity, low power
equates to poor coverage areas. It is hard to have good penetration
when you cannot serve people who ask you for service.

This last issue is why WISPA has worked so hard for access to TV
Whitespaces. It is one of the few things holding us back from more
explosive growth as an industry. I wish the FCC would get off their
butts and expedite getting us this spectrum with reasonable rules that
we have been lobbying for for 5 plus years! If they would we would not
even need the broadband stimulus plan to see explosive growth in this
industry.
Scriv



On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> Let's see where to start... first, I don't like people or companies that
> waste money. These guys are blowing through money because it's not their
> money, it's investor money, so they don't care. The people making the
> decisions are "employees". They will make $200k per year in salary, ride it
> for as many years as investors keep putting money in, and then they will
> just go find another job.
>
> Example 1: They purchased 4 brand new vehicles (Chevy Tahoes) for their
> "managers" to drive. They then spent $2,000 per vehicle doing vehicle wraps
> on them.
>
> They also do not have $3.6M in yearly revenue from just our community. My
> guess would be they have as many as 3,000 subs right now but they also
> sell service as cheap as $17.95/month for college students. I would guess
> their ARPU is around $30.
>
> So, running the numbers (again, this is just our small community): 3000 x
> $30 = $90,000/month income. Less salaries, tower rents, bandwidth, etc.
> Let's say for fun they are "making" $50,000 per month gross profit. They
> spent almost $1,000,000 on just the equipment in my area (population
> 50,000). So that's 20 months for ROI for just the AP and backhauls... not
> counting the $400 CPE they are installing at each customer. That also does
> not count the 2.5ghz license they had to purchase for millions.
>
> I do not believe that a good, sound business requires investment money every
> year to keep running. This is no different than a Cable company or Telco
> business model... WAY too much fat and too many "managers" and not enough
> people actually doing the work. Their business model does not work if they
> continue to lose money every month... unless they continue to find stupid
> investors to keep sinking money into a failing business.
>
> And I don't need to "steal all their customers" we have more pending
> installs than we can keep up with I have hired two installers in the
> last two months and we are looking to hire another. We currently have over
> 100 pending installs. We are doing 140-150 new installs per month. We have
> no outside investors. We own our entire infrastructure free and clear. We
> have no debt. Our 2008 year was our biggest year ever (gross revenues up
> 10.2% and profit was up 15.4% over 2007). We don't carry the "fat" and extra
> overhead that many companies do... if an employee is gone (installer,
> receptionist, dispatcher, whoever) we notice it. We run a very lean, tight
> ship. We never have people just sitting around with nothing to do.
>
> Last, for what it's worth, we are picking up about 1-2 of their customers
> per month. This is without us doing ANY advertisting (except yellow page
> ads)

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

[John Scrivner]

I do not care to see people trashing each other's business models
whether they are cash poor, cash rich or someplace in the middle. I am
actually glad to see some data on this particular model because I
think it actually could work well with $3.6M in yearly revenues. I
think it is impressive. I wish we could all gain access to some of
this spectrum, big cash, licensed WiMax gear and build it out. That
does not mean I think it is the only model nor do I trash the
occasional cash strapped guy building his first Wi-Fi POP with his
VISA card nor the typical WISP operator who took out a second mortgage
or similar "pound of flesh" financing to launch his first few towers
using unlicensed. God bless all of them.  I think we should all try to
respect that each of us have a different approach. I certainly do not
pretend to think I have all the answers and I appreciate those who
share what they do to make their model work. I sense some sour grapes
here due to this network being built in your territory. If you think
it is a poor model then steal all their customers and teach them a
lesson. Tell us how you did please. That would tell a far more
compelling story than just trashing their model on the list.
Scriv


On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> Plus the cost of the 2.5ghz license in our area... which I heard they
> paid like $7,000,000 for (in an area with 50,000 population)... plus the
> licensed backhauls (Ceragon 18ghz in a ring), plus tower rent (they are
> on the most expensive towers in town).
>
> No wonder they are blowing through investor money faster than they can
> get it... LOL
>
> Travis
>
>
> John Rock wrote:
>> Hmmm
>>
>> 4 sector 2.5 Ghz system
>>
>> 1,000,000 deployment
>>
>> 4000 users paying you $74.99 for Voip and Data from your deployment
>>
>> It all works
>>
>> Priceless
>>
>> Do the math
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John Rock
>> Director of Operations - Senior Engineer
>>
>> Wireless Connections
>> 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857
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>>
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>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:44 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We have BridgeMaxx in our area. They are using 2.5ghz licensed with Alvarion
>> WiMax equipment. This is the "top of the line", $50k per sector type stuff.
>> Then I can also tell you that we are seeing a LOT of antennas that have to
>> be mounted outdoors, on a tripod with a 10ft pole to get over the trees. The
>> NLOS doesn't seem to be working very well, especially on several of these
>> the tower is less than a mile away.
>>
>> So they spent $250k per tower x 4 towers in our area and they are still
>> having to roll a truck and do an outdoor install. And this is even with
>> 2.5ghz licensed. It makes me happy to see one of their antennas mounted
>> outdoors... that's means they lost even more money for that install... :)
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
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>> On Mar 19, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> However, that (obviously) means it's not particularly viable in many
>> situations where you don't see enough customers to sup

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

[John Scrivner]

That comes to $24,288 for 20 miles aerial fiber with 64 strands.
Obviously this does not include easements, make ready, labor, etc. but
obviously the costs to put in fiber have dropped considerably over the
last few years. What brand fiber / supplier quoted you this if you do
not mind me asking?
Thanks,
Scriv


On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 1:48 PM, D. Ryan Spott  wrote:
> I was just quoted .23 per foot for 64 strands. Figure 8 type construction.
>
> Dry, loose tube.
>
> ryan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Scottie Arnett 
> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 12:20 PM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth
>
> What is the cost of aerial fiber these days? I know it depends on number of 
> strands and technology, so if someone were going to do this in a small city, 
> what type would you want to use? Around here, the electric company gets 
> around $8/yr/pole to use their poles. Under normal conditions, how many poles 
> are there in a mile.
>
> I pay $1325/mth for two T1's from ACC. I am in a rural cooperative area, and 
> the loop cost account for 2/3's of that to go about 40 miles. The local rural 
> telco priced me fiber at $2500/mth for 10/10 meg, and a $2500 install fee. 
> They now have metro ethernet and I can get 6/6 meg for $1300/mth. I will 
> probably go this route soon, if I can not find a better alternative. Cable 
> co. is privately owned here and the owner despises us, so that is OOTQ.
>
> I can get a shot to fiber 16 miles north that is $1500/mth for 10/10 meg from 
> a public cable company. I will need to rent tower space at one end and buy 
> the backhaul equipment, plus being in very "stormy" area, have to worry about 
> lightning 8 - 10 months out of the year. I can not see me "coming out" this 
> way at a savings of $1000/mth for quite sometime. Most tower companies here 
> are Crown Castle and other big names that ask cell phone company rates to get 
> on their towers which are at least $750/mth. Their are other alternatives I 
> have not explored, such as building my own tower at the other end, or renting 
> from the cable company tower that may be much cheaper.
>
> The fiber route mentioned had me interested. It is about 20 miles by road to 
> the same location that the 16 miles shot is. I know the cost will be way 
> higher, but I could then use the fiber in the towns along the way to offer 
> service. About 5 miles of this road way area does not have any broadband at 
> all. I could also offer an alternative to the local rural telcos fiber, which 
> has 0 competition at this point. And last but not least, I would worry much 
> less about lightning. As fiber "looks" to be the way of the future if we want 
> to stay in business, it is something to look at that is not out of the 
> question. I just do not have any idea about the costs of laying the fiber. We 
> have our own bucket trucks and work crew, so that cost is already incurred.
>
> Scottie
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Blake Bowers" 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:12:39 -0500
>
>>A lot of this is educational for me, but I do have
>>a couple of thoughts.
>>
>>If you are having to hop microwave 10 hops to get to your
>>intended target, would it not be possible to put an AP on
>>each tower along the way, providing service to those
>>areas also, to help subsidize the costs?
>>
>>And what about aerial fiber?  There is a LOT of it in use around
>>here.  Yes, you would have pole attachment fees, but most of you
>>are pretty good at coming up with deals involving providing bandwidth
>>etc to the people who own the poles.
>>
>>Just some thoughts, probably not worth what you are paying for them.
>>
>>
>>Don't take your organs to heaven,
>>heaven knows we need them down here!
>>Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "George Rogato" 
>>To: ; "WISPA General List" 
>>Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:21 AM
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth
>>
>>
>>> It's true that it is a big expense and it's not an easy task.
>>> But, we just got a "franchise agreement" from our city for fiber.
>>> The way they calculate it is either on a per foot basis, or a percentage
>>> of revenues across the fiber.
>>> Naturally we did the percentage, but another company that brought
>>> submarine cable through our city is paying a yearly per foot.
>>>
>>> So with the percentage based system, the cost are easier to consume for
>>> city wide.
>>>
>>> As for the boring, thats what I'm wrestling with right now myself.
>>> Back in 2000 or 2001 we laid conduits up a couple streets to get some
>>> fiber going. We didn't even have a franchise agreement with the city,
>>> but it was sanctioned by them anyways.
>>> What we did was to buy the pvc ourselves and hired a prison crew to dig.
>>> I live on a sand dune, so digging is much easier here than places with
>>> harder soil types.
>>> One of the excavators I used work with 

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

[John Scrivner]

Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and
fiber transport is that scarce then you could certainly find many who
would buy an "exit ramp on your information super-highway" if you
build your own fiber. It has a life cycle of up to 30 plus years so
you should be able to stretch out the loan over many years. I am
looking at this myself. I think that it makes sense on long runs like
this to consider fiber. Pricing has come down considerably. Just my 2
cents worth.
Scriv


On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> Because it's 200+ miles away and crosses state lines. It would be at
> least 10 hops. Tower space is roughly $250/month around here so
> that's $2,500 per month just for the towers... then you have
> maintenance, equipment cost ($100k) and it would only save me about
> $1,000 per month.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Harold Bledsoe wrote:
>> Those of you that are paying >$50/Mbps, what is keeping you from
>> building your own backhaul to cheaper bandwidth (wireless, dark fiber,
>> etc.)?  It seems to me that this would be a major consideration in the
>> business plan as this is a big MRC.  Don't wait for someone to bring you
>> cheap bandwidth...go get it!  :-)
>>
>> -Hal
>>
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Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?

[John Scrivner]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:50 PM, John Thomas  wrote:
> If you are big enough, or if you are multihomed you can get PI space
>

But you only get 3.14 addresses at a time.   :-) (Sorry, could not resist)
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Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream forthentiameetingstoday

[John Scrivner]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Denise Hamilton  wrote:
>
> Coming across complaining about lawsuits, the local governments, the telcos,
> etc. is not a good way, in my humble opinion, to come across and
> successfully make policy in what we should be doing to make rules for
> grants.  I trust when WISPA represents us on Thursday we come across better
> then the New America Foundation.
>
> Sorry but we never like to hire people that only complained about their last
> employer...
>
>

Can you provide more detail about the complaining you are referencing
above. I did not see it. I was at the doctor earlier today and missed
it all.   :-(
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Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular and Wimax

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>
> The problems are numerous. Building a scalable solution that will fit
> multiple operators is a real challenge.  Some of the challenges will
> potentially require you and your proposed partner to make significant
> network design changes.  If you have an interest in such a project,
> let's get together (we can meet in Cape sometime) and see what we can
> come up with.

I was actually thinking about you some when I wrote this. You and I
had discussed how you had built some of the earliest working parts of
what I have been describing. I would love to brainstorm on some of
this with you in more detail at some time. The sad part is that I see
little incentive to build this as few WISPs have any real desire to
build interoperable, roaming capable, mobile IP network services as I
have described. I think the problem is less about the spectrum,
technical, platform and financial barriers than it is about the lack
of interest to actually make it happen from the majority WISP
perspective. I have little doubt we "CAN" do it. I just doubt anyone
really "WANTS" to do it. Maybe a few will hit us offlist who wish to
attempt to build this next generation mobile WISP network and we can
put together a work group to build it.
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

[John Scrivner]

I did not realize there was as FCC emission designator and grant of
approval assigned to that radio. I would love to read the FCC approval
on that radio. Do you happen to have a link to that? I previously sent
out a step by step guide for everyone to use for registering their AP
and client locations using the Redline system as an example. It was a
doc we worked on at MVN for about a month and sent it to the FCC for
their approval. It was given out for free to our paid up WISPA members
to save them the month work we spent in making sure we did our filings
by the book. I would not expect that you have anything like that but
would you care to share what the specific details (emission
designator, FCC grant #, etc.) are that you have used for your
location filings using the XR3?
Thank you,
John Scrivner


On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> The FCC ULS requires that you enter the FCC ID of the radio that is being
> used, along with it's characteristics. That is easily done with an XR3 card.
> No where during the registration process does it say the radio and antenna
> and everything else has to be certified as a "system".
>
> I can complete a perfectly legal 3.65 registration filing, answering every
> single question honestly, using an XR3 card, inside an ARC antenna/enclosure
> with an RB411 board.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> John Scrivner wrote:
>
> So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz  license and have
> registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through
> the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified
> system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to
> register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not
> then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list
> resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to
> see a full answer from you here on this.
> Scriv
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM,   wrote:
>
>
> I am.
>
> Works ok.   Using Star-OS.   I use "ok" to designate an unenthusiastic, but
> affirmative statement that it works.    3.65 seems to have unique
> propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso than
> 5 or 2.4.
>
> Or, that's how it seems.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian Rohrbacher" 
> To: "Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
>
>
>
>
> Anyone using 3.65 for ptp?   What is available?  Can ubiquiti's cards be
> used in mikrotik?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular and Wimax

[John Scrivner]

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:
> This is an interesting idea
>
> But,  different operating frequency's,  different proprietary equipment, I'm
> not sure it is practical.  One of my 'neighbors' uses Canopy on 900MHz.
> Another is using Trango on 900MHz, I think.  Another is 2.4GHz 802.11b/g.  I
> use 2.4GHz, some b/g, some proprietary, some 900MHz proprietary, 5.8GHz
> Netstream...  The list goes on...

That is just another symptom of the problem. This group refuses to
standardize on anything. Congrats when we all "innovate" ourselves
into obscurity. Without standardization we will never have roaming or
mobility. Are we really all still so small-minded as to think we can
survive as little islands of innovators without integrating standards
based roaming and mobility as part of the systems we all deploy going
forward? What is your long term goal? To be a stop-gap until the
future "Rural Broadband Act of 20XX" where the government finally runs
a fiber to every place where there is a phone line and a power
service? It will happen.

>
> mobile users go with a cell carrier and accept the high costs and low
> speeds.

Until 2011 when I predict the cellular carriers will be reporting more
wireless broadband subs than the total WISP industry marketshare
combined. Mobility and roaming are not just neat toys. They are THE
market differentiators for wireless broadband and this group largely
has their collective head in the sand. Patrick Leary got it for a
while and then for some reason "un" learned the facts. I certainly
hope I am wrong so you guys can all make me buy you a beer someday
when I am then found to be mentally deficient. Something tells me this
group simply chooses not to look at the future in a realistic way. I
genuinely hope I am wrong. I guess the questions I have for this group
is, "Why not accept that I may be right? What harm is there in
attempting to build mobility and roaming into our networks around
standards? Would this not simply add more value to our networks?"
Scriv



>
> John Scrivner wrote:
>
> Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility
> and roaming. These features are the true differentiators of wireless
> broadband over DSL or DOCSIS. The cellular industry is more quickly
> adapting to the need to move to an IP centric platform for their
> mobile voice/data systems than we are in recognizing the compelling
> desire of everyone to have everything available to them everywhere
> with mobility. Land lines are going away and wireless MOBILE phones
> are increasing in quantity. WISPs may well lose out in the end if they
> do not band together to form interoperability standards for mobile IP,
> VoIP, roaming, etc. Last I checked there is not a single WISPA member
> network out there which is fully mobile with integrated roaming with
> another operator. Until WISPs do this they are doomed to a future of a
> decreasing position in the future of broadband industry market share.
> I predict that total customer counts served via traditional WISPs will
> max within 18 months and then down turn if we do not address the
> issues of roaming and mobility. If any of you have built a truly good
> mobility roaming gateway solution which allows for WISPs to tie their
> networks together and offer mobility then I welcome some feedback on
> the subject. What about truly mobile and roaming capable voice
> services over IP? Anyone out there ever build the equivalent of the
> ASN gateway for our networks? I am ready to start negotiating
> connection to this and right now we do not even have access to
> anything to connect to.
> Scriv
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Scott Parsons  wrote:
>
>
> This was very interesting:
>
> http://www.muniwireless.com/2009/02/03/muni-wifi-outperforms-cellular-and-wi
> max/
>
> Way to go WISPS!
>
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

[John Scrivner]

Have they managed to get the FCC to release the full 50 MHz channel
space for this product yet?
Scriv


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Matt Liotta  wrote:
> We've been using the AN80 3.65 PtP with great success.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>
>> Anyone using 3.65 for ptp?   What is available?  Can ubiquiti's
>> cards be
>> used in mikrotik?
>>
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

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So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz  license and have
registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through
the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified
system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to
register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not
then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list
resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to
see a full answer from you here on this.
Scriv




On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM,   wrote:
> I am.
>
> Works ok.   Using Star-OS.   I use "ok" to designate an unenthusiastic, but
> affirmative statement that it works.    3.65 seems to have unique
> propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso than
> 5 or 2.4.
>
> Or, that's how it seems.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian Rohrbacher" 
> To: "Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
>
>
>> Anyone using 3.65 for ptp?   What is available?  Can ubiquiti's cards be
>> used in mikrotik?
>>
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[WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular and Wimax

[John Scrivner]

Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility
and roaming. These features are the true differentiators of wireless
broadband over DSL or DOCSIS. The cellular industry is more quickly
adapting to the need to move to an IP centric platform for their
mobile voice/data systems than we are in recognizing the compelling
desire of everyone to have everything available to them everywhere
with mobility. Land lines are going away and wireless MOBILE phones
are increasing in quantity. WISPs may well lose out in the end if they
do not band together to form interoperability standards for mobile IP,
VoIP, roaming, etc. Last I checked there is not a single WISPA member
network out there which is fully mobile with integrated roaming with
another operator. Until WISPs do this they are doomed to a future of a
decreasing position in the future of broadband industry market share.
I predict that total customer counts served via traditional WISPs will
max within 18 months and then down turn if we do not address the
issues of roaming and mobility. If any of you have built a truly good
mobility roaming gateway solution which allows for WISPs to tie their
networks together and offer mobility then I welcome some feedback on
the subject. What about truly mobile and roaming capable voice
services over IP? Anyone out there ever build the equivalent of the
ASN gateway for our networks? I am ready to start negotiating
connection to this and right now we do not even have access to
anything to connect to.
Scriv


On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Scott Parsons  wrote:
> This was very interesting:
>
> http://www.muniwireless.com/2009/02/03/muni-wifi-outperforms-cellular-and-wi
> max/
>
> Way to go WISPS!
>
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Re: [WISPA] tower issue

[John Scrivner]

Channels 12 thru 14 are not allowed to be used in the US. They are
available in some other countries.
Scriv


On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM, RickG  wrote:
> Oh, I caught something on your website. Whats with channels 12-14? I never
> tired those. -RickG
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
> wrote:
>
>> Often good signal levels but rotten throughput.
>>
>> Or good signal to the customers and rotten at the ap.
>>
>> http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/survey.htm
>>
>> That's a good look at what interference can and does do to you if it's the
>> wrong (right?) kind.
>>
>> I assume you've tried a different channel already?  That's one of the first
>> things I always do these days.
>>
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "RickG" 
>> To: ; "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue
>>
>>
>> >I agree but such a sudden change? I mean like day & night. Interesting to
>> > contemplate though. What does interference look like if IT is affecting a
>> > tower?
>> > -RickG
>> >
>> > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:08 PM,  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Never assume a problem is ever interference no matter how rural you are.
>> >> This is one of the biggest problem I see people are doing.
>> >>
>> >> /Eje
>> >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: RickG 
>> >>
>> >> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:04:44
>> >> To: WISPA General List
>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's
>> >> related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since
>> >> 2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several
>> >> others
>> >> with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural
>> >> locations
>> >> so I doubt there is any interference.
>> >>
>> >> -RickG
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <
>> o...@odessaoffice.com
>> >> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are
>> >> > usually
>> >> a
>> >> > great big no no.  They tend to send more signal UP than in the
>> >> > direction
>> >> of
>> >> > the customers.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal.  You'll
>> >> > probably
>> >> > find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal.
>> >> >
>> >> > laters,
>> >> > marlon
>> >> >
>> >> > - Original Message -
>> >> > From: "RickG" 
>> >> > To: "WISPA General List" 
>> >> > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM
>> >> > Subject: [WISPA] tower issue
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!)
>> >> > >
>> >> > > One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid
>> >> > > for
>> >> > > backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections.
>> >> > > On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it
>> >> would
>> >> > > not
>> >> > > allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :(
>> >> > > So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a
>> >> usual
>> >> > > but
>> >> > > I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I
>> can
>> >> > ping
>> >> > > the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my
>> >> > > backup
>> >> > > but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the
>> >> > same.
>> >> > > I
>> >> > > then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio
>> >> > > card.
>> >> > > Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One
>> >> > > note:
>> >> > > occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came
>> >> > > back
>> >> > > normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of
>> >> > > course,
>> >> > > you
>> >> > > know what will happen the next time I reboot.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Any ideas???
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -RickG
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Newspaper Article

[John Scrivner]

Matt,
Excellent article. Did you get the ball rolling with the press there
through a press release? What led to the reason for the article?
Knowing this could help others to gain access to this positive press.
Congrats,
Scriv


On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists
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> Its only the Scottsbluff StarHerald, but this was a nice write-up anyway
>
> http://www.starherald.com/articles/2009/02/22/news/local_news/doc49a0d84daaead679125026.txt
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> Matt Larsen
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