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I'm lookin' for ya. I'm swinging but I'm not hitting anything.. Ah, forgot. I fight like a girl. Sorry. I always forget about that... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Until next Independence Day! On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Robert West wrote: > And THAT, sir, is exactly what I live and breathe. But alas, it's lost on > so many. > > Have a great day! I n the heat.! sucks. > > But the thread should die, no need to beat on it further. > > See ya! > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:01 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Here is the oath I took Bob. > > http://www.lacklandchiefsgroup.org/PDF/Oath%20of%20Offices.pdf > > Please note two things. > > First, I swore to uphold the constitution against all enemies both foreign > AND domestic. > > Also, it has no closure. The oath stands for as long as I live.. > > I'd venture to guess that there are a LOT of ex military types here that > will agree with this point of view. > > Sorry this is so late, turns out none of the parks in Yellowstone where > we've been RVing had internet access :-). > > laters, > marlon > > ----- Original Message - > From: "Robert West" > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:54 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > > Ah, but it's not just the military that protects us. The military protects > us on the foreign front but what about the domestic? Think about that. Who > protects your freedoms here? Not the military. I have 100% respect for the > military, many of family members were in the military. But again, who > protects you HERE? We all do, as a collective. You see, there are 2 parts > to this. Foreign and domestic. In my part of the country, it's all > military with no mention of regular Americans who stand up and take it. > Hijacked, as in only one side being represented. If we have no defense of > the Constitution and our freedoms domestically, then what? Who is here to > protect you? > > That's what I'm saying. There is more to our freedoms than the military. > We are the protection. All of us. Together. > > How can anyone argue with that? > > > Bob- > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Bob, I hope my previous post didnt come off negatively as it was not meant > to be that way. I'm just hoping your thoughts about the military are more > positive no matter how much you hear about them tomororow or any other day. > While its a wonderful thought to give all priority, isnt that like saying we > should all get prioirity parking when the handicap places take up the first > row? I'm not sure that works. > Furhtermore, there are plenty of people in the country who dont deserve it. > At any rate, my main point is that I dont think the fourth was hijacked by > the military but rather WE (US) chose to honor them on on Independence Day > because if it werent for THEM it wouldnt exist and the right to celebrate it > wouldnt exist either. So, they earned everything coming to them on a silver > platter. As for me and many others, we have done nothing and do nothing to > deserve the honor. > BTW: We should only worship GOD as the good book says. > > God bless the USA and everyone in it! > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West > wrote: >> We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are >> condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all >> across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at >> Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and >> Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no >> one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. >> Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need > to know our own importance. >> Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> . >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wire
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Until next Independence Day! On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Robert West wrote: > And THAT, sir, is exactly what I live and breathe. But alas, it's lost on > so many. > > Have a great day! I n the heat.! sucks. > > But the thread should die, no need to beat on it further. > > See ya! > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:01 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Here is the oath I took Bob. > > http://www.lacklandchiefsgroup.org/PDF/Oath%20of%20Offices.pdf > > Please note two things. > > First, I swore to uphold the constitution against all enemies both foreign > AND domestic. > > Also, it has no closure. The oath stands for as long as I live.. > > I'd venture to guess that there are a LOT of ex military types here that > will agree with this point of view. > > Sorry this is so late, turns out none of the parks in Yellowstone where > we've been RVing had internet access :-). > > laters, > marlon > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Robert West" > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:54 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > > Ah, but it's not just the military that protects us. The military protects > us on the foreign front but what about the domestic? Think about that. Who > protects your freedoms here? Not the military. I have 100% respect for the > military, many of family members were in the military. But again, who > protects you HERE? We all do, as a collective. You see, there are 2 parts > to this. Foreign and domestic. In my part of the country, it's all > military with no mention of regular Americans who stand up and take it. > Hijacked, as in only one side being represented. If we have no defense of > the Constitution and our freedoms domestically, then what? Who is here to > protect you? > > That's what I'm saying. There is more to our freedoms than the military. > We are the protection. All of us. Together. > > How can anyone argue with that? > > > Bob- > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Bob, I hope my previous post didnt come off negatively as it was not meant > to be that way. I'm just hoping your thoughts about the military are more > positive no matter how much you hear about them tomororow or any other day. > While its a wonderful thought to give all priority, isnt that like saying we > should all get prioirity parking when the handicap places take up the first > row? I'm not sure that works. > Furhtermore, there are plenty of people in the country who dont deserve it. > At any rate, my main point is that I dont think the fourth was hijacked by > the military but rather WE (US) chose to honor them on on Independence Day > because if it werent for THEM it wouldnt exist and the right to celebrate it > wouldnt exist either. So, they earned everything coming to them on a silver > platter. As for me and many others, we have done nothing and do nothing to > deserve the honor. > BTW: We should only worship GOD as the good book says. > > God bless the USA and everyone in it! > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West > wrote: >> We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are >> condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all >> across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at >> Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and >> Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no >> one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. >> Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need > to know our own importance. >> Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> . >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! >> >> Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only >> one group has offered and continues to offer the "ultimate sacrifice". >> Many of our great leasers such as Washi
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And THAT, sir, is exactly what I live and breathe. But alas, it's lost on so many. Have a great day! I n the heat.! sucks. But the thread should die, no need to beat on it further. See ya! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Here is the oath I took Bob. http://www.lacklandchiefsgroup.org/PDF/Oath%20of%20Offices.pdf Please note two things. First, I swore to uphold the constitution against all enemies both foreign AND domestic. Also, it has no closure. The oath stands for as long as I live.. I'd venture to guess that there are a LOT of ex military types here that will agree with this point of view. Sorry this is so late, turns out none of the parks in Yellowstone where we've been RVing had internet access :-). laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Robert West" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Ah, but it's not just the military that protects us. The military protects us on the foreign front but what about the domestic? Think about that. Who protects your freedoms here? Not the military. I have 100% respect for the military, many of family members were in the military. But again, who protects you HERE? We all do, as a collective. You see, there are 2 parts to this. Foreign and domestic. In my part of the country, it's all military with no mention of regular Americans who stand up and take it. Hijacked, as in only one side being represented. If we have no defense of the Constitution and our freedoms domestically, then what?Who is here to protect you? That's what I'm saying. There is more to our freedoms than the military. We are the protection. All of us. Together. How can anyone argue with that? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I hope my previous post didnt come off negatively as it was not meant to be that way. I'm just hoping your thoughts about the military are more positive no matter how much you hear about them tomororow or any other day. While its a wonderful thought to give all priority, isnt that like saying we should all get prioirity parking when the handicap places take up the first row? I'm not sure that works. Furhtermore, there are plenty of people in the country who dont deserve it. At any rate, my main point is that I dont think the fourth was hijacked by the military but rather WE (US) chose to honor them on on Independence Day because if it werent for THEM it wouldnt exist and the right to celebrate it wouldnt exist either. So, they earned everything coming to them on a silver platter. As for me and many others, we have done nothing and do nothing to deserve the honor. BTW: We should only worship GOD as the good book says. God bless the USA and everyone in it! On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West wrote: > We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are > condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all > across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at > Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and > Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no > one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. > Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. > Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. > > Bob- > > > > . > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only > one group has offered and continues to offer the "ultimate sacrifice". > Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't > just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to > serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave > markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just > because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get > priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny > and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West > > wrote: >> Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, >> u
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Here is the oath I took Bob. http://www.lacklandchiefsgroup.org/PDF/Oath%20of%20Offices.pdf Please note two things. First, I swore to uphold the constitution against all enemies both foreign AND domestic. Also, it has no closure. The oath stands for as long as I live.. I'd venture to guess that there are a LOT of ex military types here that will agree with this point of view. Sorry this is so late, turns out none of the parks in Yellowstone where we've been RVing had internet access :-). laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Robert West" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Ah, but it's not just the military that protects us. The military protects us on the foreign front but what about the domestic? Think about that. Who protects your freedoms here? Not the military. I have 100% respect for the military, many of family members were in the military. But again, who protects you HERE? We all do, as a collective. You see, there are 2 parts to this. Foreign and domestic. In my part of the country, it's all military with no mention of regular Americans who stand up and take it. Hijacked, as in only one side being represented. If we have no defense of the Constitution and our freedoms domestically, then what?Who is here to protect you? That's what I'm saying. There is more to our freedoms than the military. We are the protection. All of us. Together. How can anyone argue with that? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I hope my previous post didnt come off negatively as it was not meant to be that way. I'm just hoping your thoughts about the military are more positive no matter how much you hear about them tomororow or any other day. While its a wonderful thought to give all priority, isnt that like saying we should all get prioirity parking when the handicap places take up the first row? I'm not sure that works. Furhtermore, there are plenty of people in the country who dont deserve it. At any rate, my main point is that I dont think the fourth was hijacked by the military but rather WE (US) chose to honor them on on Independence Day because if it werent for THEM it wouldnt exist and the right to celebrate it wouldnt exist either. So, they earned everything coming to them on a silver platter. As for me and many others, we have done nothing and do nothing to deserve the honor. BTW: We should only worship GOD as the good book says. God bless the USA and everyone in it! On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West wrote: > We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are > condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all > across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at > Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and > Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no > one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. > Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. > Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. > > Bob- > > > > . > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only > one group has offered and continues to offer the "ultimate sacrifice". > Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't > just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to > serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave > markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just > because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get > priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny > and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West > > wrote: >> Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, >> unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth >> being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to >> be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least >> we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The >> military really isn't the point of it. >> >> But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door >&
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Glenn, the list is dead and the timing is appropriate for a short thread on the subject. You are exactly correct, it IS about the birth of our nation, which was made so by those that dearly sacrificed towards that goal, and by those that continue preserve it. Pure & simple. While we say Happy Birthday to US - as nation! That does not mean it is about US, but rather FOR US, at least in my mind. Personally, it means that I can own a WISP without government tyranny. Well, so far anyway. Which is why this subject is so important. I get a bit emotional when you read surveys that say 1 in 4 Americans dont know who we fought against for our independence. Or other historical facts about this great country. I'm sure the percentage is much higher in our ranks though! Have a Happy 4th! Remember who, what, where, when, how & why! On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Glenn Kelley wrote: > BOB > > My office is next to yours - basically... > > In your part of the country? Are you serious? > > Let me ask a silly question - if those in "our" part of the country > were to read this message thread - what do you think they would say? > > In regards to domestically - there are tons that protect our freedoms. > But the 4th is about the Birth of a Nation. > > I seriously think your opinion here is Jacked. > And thats just my opinion. > > We can agree to disagree - and we can also agree to agree that there > is more to our freedoms than the military. > > Anyhow - since the WISPA list is not for this kind of discussion - > feel free to hit me up in person - via email etc. > Bottom line - lets keep the politics for the WISPA list to be about 1 > thing - the politics that surround being a WISP. > > My apologies to the group for going down this path > bob - we can continue - just hit me off list - so we don't break the > list rules and both loose our freedom of posting here ;-) > > On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote: > >> Ah, but it's not just the military that protects us. The military >> protects >> us on the foreign front but what about the domestic? Think about >> that. Who >> protects your freedoms here? Not the military. I have 100% respect >> for the >> military, many of family members were in the military. But again, who >> protects you HERE? We all do, as a collective. You see, there are >> 2 parts >> to this. Foreign and domestic. In my part of the country, it's all >> military with no mention of regular Americans who stand up and take >> it. >> Hijacked, as in only one side being represented. If we have no >> defense of >> the Constitution and our freedoms domestically, then what? Who is >> here to >> protect you? >> >> That's what I'm saying. There is more to our freedoms than the >> military. >> We are the protection. All of us. Together. >> >> How can anyone argue with that? >> >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! >> >> Bob, I hope my previous post didnt come off negatively as it was not >> meant >> to be that way. I'm just hoping your thoughts about the military are >> more >> positive no matter how much you hear about them tomororow or any >> other day. >> While its a wonderful thought to give all priority, isnt that like >> saying we >> should all get prioirity parking when the handicap places take up >> the first >> row? I'm not sure that works. >> Furhtermore, there are plenty of people in the country who dont >> deserve it. >> At any rate, my main point is that I dont think the fourth was >> hijacked by >> the military but rather WE (US) chose to honor them on on >> Independence Day >> because if it werent for THEM it wouldnt exist and the right to >> celebrate it >> wouldnt exist either. So, they earned everything coming to them on a >> silver >> platter. As for me and many others, we have done nothing and do >> nothing to >> deserve the honor. >> BTW: We should only worship GOD as the good book says. >> >> God bless the USA and everyone in it! >> >> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West > > >> wrote: >>> We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are >>> condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all >>> across this country yet the numbers are gr
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Like everything, there is a who, what, where, how, & why. Who Independence Day really about? Surely, it is not about me or you is it? What does Independence Day for? As you said, "our Independence", to be more precise, independence from England. Where did Independence Day start? Not at my house. We just OBSERVE it like most Americans. How did Independence Day begin? By the Declaration of Independence. Why is there an Independence Day? To commemorating the adoption of the Declaration of Independence. Here is my favorite bullet on the subject on Wikipedia: *In 1778, General George Washington marked July 4 with a double ration of rum for his soldiers and an artillery salute. Across the Atlantic Ocean, ambassadors John Adams and Benjamin Franklin held a dinner for their fellow Americans in Paris, France. Note the military, no others, we're the recipients of a gift for the occasion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_%28United_States%29 Maybe I just ramble but I am grateful for the men & women of our military who actually protect our freedom, while the rest only watch. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Robert West wrote: > Doesn't matter. Score keeping isn’t necessary. The fourth is to be for the > country as a whole. To celebrate our independence,. In this we are to be > equal. Is one American better than another American? I think not. > Celebration of independence in which we are all to play a part. Too much > Glenn Beck where separation and categorization of Americans happens. We are > one. One country and one people no matter the sacrifices and no matter the > political views. We are Americans and for that we should celebrate. > > That's my point. We are all a part of it. > > Bob- > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Glenn Kelley > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:30 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Bob - out of interest... > > Do you have any law enforcement, EMS, Fire or Military experience in your > background? > While working 9/11 - I lost many friends. While I survived with only > cancer (and a bunch of weight gain) much of our platoon of EMS and Fire > fighters got much worse. > > My children have had Tumors (the ones born after 9/11 and after my service > there... ) > > Last I checked the parade in town had both the VFW, PBA, Fire Dept, > Churches, Bikes with kids riding them, and yes - EVEN just as you call it > EQUAL AMERICANS on the streets walking. > > Please don't take this as if I am attacking you - but I am wondering if you > have paid any sacrifice towards the freedoms you hold so dear... > Not saying that you have not - not done anything either... It was however > through Blood, Sacrifice, Tears, Death, and yes ... EVEN WAR that our > freedoms were given to us. > > It is through Blood, Sweat, Sacrifice, Tears, Death - and yes EVEN WAR that > they have been maintained and guaranteed... > > Blessings, > > > On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Robert West wrote: > >> We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are >> condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all >> across >> this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. >> No one >> should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The >> fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and >> our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the >> military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know >> our own importance. >> Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> . >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! >> >> Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only >> one group has offered and continues to offer the "ultimate sacrifice". >> Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't >> just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to >> serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave >> markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just >> because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get >> priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny >> and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. >> >
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BOB My office is next to yours - basically... In your part of the country? Are you serious? Let me ask a silly question - if those in "our" part of the country were to read this message thread - what do you think they would say? In regards to domestically - there are tons that protect our freedoms. But the 4th is about the Birth of a Nation. I seriously think your opinion here is Jacked. And thats just my opinion. We can agree to disagree - and we can also agree to agree that there is more to our freedoms than the military. Anyhow - since the WISPA list is not for this kind of discussion - feel free to hit me up in person - via email etc. Bottom line - lets keep the politics for the WISPA list to be about 1 thing - the politics that surround being a WISP. My apologies to the group for going down this path bob - we can continue - just hit me off list - so we don't break the list rules and both loose our freedom of posting here ;-) On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote: > Ah, but it's not just the military that protects us. The military > protects > us on the foreign front but what about the domestic? Think about > that. Who > protects your freedoms here? Not the military. I have 100% respect > for the > military, many of family members were in the military. But again, who > protects you HERE? We all do, as a collective. You see, there are > 2 parts > to this. Foreign and domestic. In my part of the country, it's all > military with no mention of regular Americans who stand up and take > it. > Hijacked, as in only one side being represented. If we have no > defense of > the Constitution and our freedoms domestically, then what?Who is > here to > protect you? > > That's what I'm saying. There is more to our freedoms than the > military. > We are the protection. All of us. Together. > > How can anyone argue with that? > > > Bob- > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Bob, I hope my previous post didnt come off negatively as it was not > meant > to be that way. I'm just hoping your thoughts about the military are > more > positive no matter how much you hear about them tomororow or any > other day. > While its a wonderful thought to give all priority, isnt that like > saying we > should all get prioirity parking when the handicap places take up > the first > row? I'm not sure that works. > Furhtermore, there are plenty of people in the country who dont > deserve it. > At any rate, my main point is that I dont think the fourth was > hijacked by > the military but rather WE (US) chose to honor them on on > Independence Day > because if it werent for THEM it wouldnt exist and the right to > celebrate it > wouldnt exist either. So, they earned everything coming to them on a > silver > platter. As for me and many others, we have done nothing and do > nothing to > deserve the honor. > BTW: We should only worship GOD as the good book says. > > God bless the USA and everyone in it! > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West > > wrote: >> We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are >> condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all >> across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at >> Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and >> Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no >> one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind >> anyhow. >> Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. >> We need > to know our own importance. >> Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> . >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! >> >> Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, >> only >> one group has offered and continues to offer the "ultimate >> sacrifice". >> Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They >> didn't >> just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity >> to >> serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave >> markers, I re
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All of us. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! In regards to most of these folks - have you been to their town parades? In PA - you cannot go to a coal mining town and not see a tribute to the miners. We could say the same for the many who died building the large buildings in our cities. Can you name others who are fighting - and putting it all on the line right now? I can - Sheriff Depts across the nation, Fire and EMS across the nation Probation Officers, Highway Workers (yup they die quite a bit) and yes our military. Fayette County Hospital has representation in the parade, so do the churches, as does even McDonalds - Community Action, and even Farmers - just check how much farm equipment goes in the parade... so ... again - where do you find that there is less representation? The ideal you speak of is the simple fact that while many in this nation think its okay to burn the flag we have those who will stand up and take a bullet defending the freedom to burn the flag. In regards to the miners - they were doing it for a paycheck. PERIOD. I am willing to bet if you would like you can pay homage to those folks - and I think many here in Fayette County would join you. I fail to see where they are getting priority. In regards to Kent State - how many folks were injured in trying to protect Property and Lives? Slashing a hose line on a firefighter in my opinion is nothing short of Attempted Murder. Don't believe me - let me put you in a burning building without a water line - Any other firefighters on the list care to comment? In 1999 Kent University constructed an individual memorial for each of the students in the parking lot between Taylor and Prentice halls. Each of the four memorials is located on the exact spot where the student fell, mortally wounded. Crosby Stills & Nash went to Kent State campus for the first time on May 4, 1997, where they performed the song for the May 4 Task Force's 27th annual commemoration. Something tells me that if your requesting that the military not be given any homage on the 4th - than I am right in stating since May 4th every year pays homage to the 4 who died @ Kent state... its okay for us to ignore them on the 4th as well... July 4th is about the Birth of a Nation - It is not about the Memory of those who Died in keeping its freedom.Thats a different Holiday called... Memorial Day. If that is your argument I can agree - but the rest - seems like scatter On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:31 PM, Robert West wrote: > The ultimate sacrifice. The freedom riders, the miners and families > at Matawan West Virginia, the protesters at Kent State. These people > ALSO made > the ultimate sacrifice, they died for what they felt was right. > These are > the ones I also feel should be remembered and thanked and if you get > down to it, they took it upon themselves to fight for our freedoms, to > fight for us. > In reality, these are the people who are the epitome of "Americanism" > more than the military for these stood up in defense of the moment > with not thought to safety but in pure defense of an ideal. No one > ordered them to > do a thing, they just did what needed to be done and died for US. > No one > should get priority. This is to be for all of us, at least for me. > > We all are supposed to fight for all of us. > > > > > > Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only > one group has offered and continues to offer the "ultimate sacrifice". > Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't > just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to > serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave > markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just > because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get > priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny > and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West > > > wrote: >> Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, >> unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth >> being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to >> be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least >>
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Saying "All of us" does not leave anyone out. All is all. US. There is no need to separate any of US into labels. I guess I'm too much of a philosopher. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Just so I didnt leave them out, in addition to the military, God bless our law enforcement, fire fighters, EMS, and those that dedicate their lives so others may live. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: > Bob - out of interest... > > Do you have any law enforcement, EMS, Fire or Military experience in > your background? > While working 9/11 - I lost many friends. While I survived with only > cancer (and a bunch of weight gain) much of our platoon of EMS and > Fire fighters got much worse. > > My children have had Tumors (the ones born after 9/11 and after my > service there... ) > > Last I checked the parade in town had both the VFW, PBA, Fire Dept, > Churches, Bikes with kids riding them, and yes - EVEN just as you call > it EQUAL AMERICANS on the streets walking. > > Please don't take this as if I am attacking you - but I am wondering > if you have paid any sacrifice towards the freedoms you hold so dear... > Not saying that you have not - not done anything either... It was > however through Blood, Sacrifice, Tears, Death, and yes ... EVEN WAR > that our freedoms were given to us. > > It is through Blood, Sweat, Sacrifice, Tears, Death - and yes EVEN WAR > that they have been maintained and guaranteed... > > Blessings, > > > On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Robert West wrote: > >> We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are >> condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all >> across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at >> Arlington. >> No one >> should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. >> The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves >> and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the >> military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know >> our own importance. >> Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> . >> >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! >> >> Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, >> only one group has offered and continues to offer the "ultimate >> sacrifice". >> Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They >> didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the >> opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all >> those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true >> sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they >> shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight >> against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you >> differently. >> >> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West >> > > >> wrote: >>> Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, >>> unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth >>> being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to >>> be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at >>> least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. >>> The military really isn't the point of it. >>> >>> But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the >>> door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by >>> the military pisses me off. >>> >>> MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not >> military. >>> The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As >>> well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to >>> stand up and say "Enough!" with total disregard to their personal >>> safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to >>> lay down their life in the military, that I will say "Thank You" to >>> on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military
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Ah, but it's not just the military that protects us. The military protects us on the foreign front but what about the domestic? Think about that. Who protects your freedoms here? Not the military. I have 100% respect for the military, many of family members were in the military. But again, who protects you HERE? We all do, as a collective. You see, there are 2 parts to this. Foreign and domestic. In my part of the country, it's all military with no mention of regular Americans who stand up and take it. Hijacked, as in only one side being represented. If we have no defense of the Constitution and our freedoms domestically, then what?Who is here to protect you? That's what I'm saying. There is more to our freedoms than the military. We are the protection. All of us. Together. How can anyone argue with that? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I hope my previous post didnt come off negatively as it was not meant to be that way. I'm just hoping your thoughts about the military are more positive no matter how much you hear about them tomororow or any other day. While its a wonderful thought to give all priority, isnt that like saying we should all get prioirity parking when the handicap places take up the first row? I'm not sure that works. Furhtermore, there are plenty of people in the country who dont deserve it. At any rate, my main point is that I dont think the fourth was hijacked by the military but rather WE (US) chose to honor them on on Independence Day because if it werent for THEM it wouldnt exist and the right to celebrate it wouldnt exist either. So, they earned everything coming to them on a silver platter. As for me and many others, we have done nothing and do nothing to deserve the honor. BTW: We should only worship GOD as the good book says. God bless the USA and everyone in it! On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West wrote: > We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are > condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all > across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at > Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and > Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no > one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. > Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. > Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. > > Bob- > > > > . > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only > one group has offered and continues to offer the "ultimate sacrifice". > Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't > just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to > serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave > markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just > because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get > priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny > and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West > > wrote: >> Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, >> unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth >> being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to >> be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least >> we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The >> military really isn't the point of it. >> >> But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door >> to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the >> military pisses me off. >> >> MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not > military. >> The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As >> well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to >> stand up and say "Enough!" with total disregard to their personal >> safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to >> lay down their life in the military, that I will say "Thank You" to >> on the fourth as well as every other day of the year
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There is a difference: THEY died for what THEY thought was right. Our military give their lives for US to have the freedom to do so. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Robert West wrote: > The ultimate sacrifice. The freedom riders, the miners and families at > Matawan West Virginia, the protesters at Kent State. These people ALSO made > the ultimate sacrifice, they died for what they felt was right. These are > the ones I also feel should be remembered and thanked and if you get down to > it, they took it upon themselves to fight for our freedoms, to fight for us. > In reality, these are the people who are the epitome of "Americanism" more > than the military for these stood up in defense of the moment with not > thought to safety but in pure defense of an ideal. No one ordered them to > do a thing, they just did what needed to be done and died for US. No one > should get priority. This is to be for all of us, at least for me. > > We all are supposed to fight for all of us. > > > > > > Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one > group has offered and continues to offer the "ultimate sacrifice". > Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just > the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but > after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I > do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the > 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who > actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you > differently. > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West > wrote: >> Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, >> unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being >> hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for >> all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all >> should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military >> really isn't the point of it. >> >> But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door >> to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the >> military pisses me off. >> >> MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not > military. >> The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As >> well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to >> stand up and say "Enough!" with total disregard to their personal >> safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to >> lay down their life in the military, that I will say "Thank You" to on >> the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is >> for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was >> able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand "NO MORE", > are we to possess less of an opportunity? >> No. >> >> Thank You. >> Thank You. >> Thank You. >> >> Thank you to US. ALL OF US! >> >> WE ROCK! >> >> Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> >> >> ---Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! >> >> Everyone please have a safe & sane 4th! >> >> - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - >> >> They Signed For Us >> Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, >> Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments >> >> Happy Anniversary To Us >> >> Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal >> Liberty Digest™. How time flies when you’re having fun! As many of you >> know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty >> Digest™ every week—Chip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Friday’s >> columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of > Wednesday’s. >> >> As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest™ was >> about the incredible men who pledged th
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In regards to most of these folks - have you been to their town parades? In PA - you cannot go to a coal mining town and not see a tribute to the miners. We could say the same for the many who died building the large buildings in our cities. Can you name others who are fighting - and putting it all on the line right now? I can - Sheriff Depts across the nation, Fire and EMS across the nation Probation Officers, Highway Workers (yup they die quite a bit) and yes our military. Fayette County Hospital has representation in the parade, so do the churches, as does even McDonalds - Community Action, and even Farmers - just check how much farm equipment goes in the parade... so ... again - where do you find that there is less representation? The ideal you speak of is the simple fact that while many in this nation think its okay to burn the flag we have those who will stand up and take a bullet defending the freedom to burn the flag. In regards to the miners - they were doing it for a paycheck. PERIOD. I am willing to bet if you would like you can pay homage to those folks - and I think many here in Fayette County would join you. I fail to see where they are getting priority. In regards to Kent State - how many folks were injured in trying to protect Property and Lives? Slashing a hose line on a firefighter in my opinion is nothing short of Attempted Murder. Don't believe me - let me put you in a burning building without a water line - Any other firefighters on the list care to comment? In 1999 Kent University constructed an individual memorial for each of the students in the parking lot between Taylor and Prentice halls. Each of the four memorials is located on the exact spot where the student fell, mortally wounded. Crosby Stills & Nash went to Kent State campus for the first time on May 4, 1997, where they performed the song for the May 4 Task Force's 27th annual commemoration. Something tells me that if your requesting that the military not be given any homage on the 4th - than I am right in stating since May 4th every year pays homage to the 4 who died @ Kent state... its okay for us to ignore them on the 4th as well... July 4th is about the Birth of a Nation - It is not about the Memory of those who Died in keeping its freedom.Thats a different Holiday called... Memorial Day. If that is your argument I can agree - but the rest - seems like scatter On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:31 PM, Robert West wrote: > The ultimate sacrifice. The freedom riders, the miners and families > at > Matawan West Virginia, the protesters at Kent State. These people > ALSO made > the ultimate sacrifice, they died for what they felt was right. > These are > the ones I also feel should be remembered and thanked and if you get > down to > it, they took it upon themselves to fight for our freedoms, to fight > for us. > In reality, these are the people who are the epitome of > "Americanism" more > than the military for these stood up in defense of the moment with not > thought to safety but in pure defense of an ideal. No one ordered > them to > do a thing, they just did what needed to be done and died for US. > No one > should get priority. This is to be for all of us, at least for me. > > We all are supposed to fight for all of us. > > > > > > Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, > only one > group has offered and continues to offer the "ultimate sacrifice". > Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They > didn't just > the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to > serve, but > after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I > realize I > do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't > own the > 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only > ones who > actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell > you > differently. > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West > > wrote: >> Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, >> unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth >> being >> hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for >> all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all >> should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military >> really isn't the point of it. >> >> But.
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Just so I didnt leave them out, in addition to the military, God bless our law enforcement, fire fighters, EMS, and those that dedicate their lives so others may live. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: > Bob - out of interest... > > Do you have any law enforcement, EMS, Fire or Military experience in > your background? > While working 9/11 - I lost many friends. While I survived with only > cancer (and a bunch of weight gain) much of our platoon of EMS and > Fire fighters got much worse. > > My children have had Tumors (the ones born after 9/11 and after my > service there... ) > > Last I checked the parade in town had both the VFW, PBA, Fire Dept, > Churches, Bikes with kids riding them, and yes - EVEN just as you call > it EQUAL AMERICANS on the streets walking. > > Please don't take this as if I am attacking you - but I am wondering > if you have paid any sacrifice towards the freedoms you hold so dear... > Not saying that you have not - not done anything either... It was > however through Blood, Sacrifice, Tears, Death, and yes ... EVEN WAR > that our freedoms were given to us. > > It is through Blood, Sweat, Sacrifice, Tears, Death - and yes EVEN WAR > that they have been maintained and guaranteed... > > Blessings, > > > On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Robert West wrote: > >> We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are >> condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all >> across >> this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. >> No one >> should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The >> fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and >> our >> country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military >> have >> their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own >> importance. >> Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> . >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! >> >> Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, >> only one >> group has offered and continues to offer the "ultimate sacrifice". >> Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They >> didn't just >> the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to >> serve, but >> after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I >> realize I >> do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't >> own the >> 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only >> ones who >> actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell >> you >> differently. >> >> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West > > >> wrote: >>> Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, >>> unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth >>> being >>> hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for >>> all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all >>> should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military >>> really isn't the point of it. >>> >>> But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door >>> to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the >>> military pisses me off. >>> >>> MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not >> military. >>> The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As >>> well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to >>> stand up and say "Enough!" with total disregard to their personal >>> safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to >>> lay down their life in the military, that I will say "Thank You" to >>> on >>> the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is >>> for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was >>> able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand "NO >>> MORE", >> are we to possess less of an opportunity? >>> No. >>> >>> Thank You. >>> Thank You. >>> Thank You. >>> >&g
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Bob, I hope my previous post didnt come off negatively as it was not meant to be that way. I'm just hoping your thoughts about the military are more positive no matter how much you hear about them tomororow or any other day. While its a wonderful thought to give all priority, isnt that like saying we should all get prioirity parking when the handicap places take up the first row? I'm not sure that works. Furhtermore, there are plenty of people in the country who dont deserve it. At any rate, my main point is that I dont think the fourth was hijacked by the military but rather WE (US) chose to honor them on on Independence Day because if it werent for THEM it wouldnt exist and the right to celebrate it wouldnt exist either. So, they earned everything coming to them on a silver platter. As for me and many others, we have done nothing and do nothing to deserve the honor. BTW: We should only worship GOD as the good book says. God bless the USA and everyone in it! On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West wrote: > We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are > condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across > this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one > should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The > fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our > country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have > their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. > Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. > > Bob- > > > > . > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one > group has offered and continues to offer the "ultimate sacrifice". > Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just > the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but > after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I > do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the > 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who > actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you > differently. > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West > wrote: >> Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, >> unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being >> hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for >> all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all >> should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military >> really isn't the point of it. >> >> But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door >> to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the >> military pisses me off. >> >> MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not > military. >> The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As >> well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to >> stand up and say "Enough!" with total disregard to their personal >> safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to >> lay down their life in the military, that I will say "Thank You" to on >> the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is >> for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was >> able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand "NO MORE", > are we to possess less of an opportunity? >> No. >> >> Thank You. >> Thank You. >> Thank You. >> >> Thank you to US. ALL OF US! >> >> WE ROCK! >> >> Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> >> >> ---Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! >> >> Everyone please have a safe & sane 4th! >> >> - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - >> >> They Signed For Us >> Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, >> Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments >> &g
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Doesn't matter. Score keeping isnt necessary. The fourth is to be for the country as a whole. To celebrate our independence,. In this we are to be equal. Is one American better than another American? I think not. Celebration of independence in which we are all to play a part. Too much Glenn Beck where separation and categorization of Americans happens. We are one. One country and one people no matter the sacrifices and no matter the political views. We are Americans and for that we should celebrate. That's my point. We are all a part of it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob - out of interest... Do you have any law enforcement, EMS, Fire or Military experience in your background? While working 9/11 - I lost many friends. While I survived with only cancer (and a bunch of weight gain) much of our platoon of EMS and Fire fighters got much worse. My children have had Tumors (the ones born after 9/11 and after my service there... ) Last I checked the parade in town had both the VFW, PBA, Fire Dept, Churches, Bikes with kids riding them, and yes - EVEN just as you call it EQUAL AMERICANS on the streets walking. Please don't take this as if I am attacking you - but I am wondering if you have paid any sacrifice towards the freedoms you hold so dear... Not saying that you have not - not done anything either... It was however through Blood, Sacrifice, Tears, Death, and yes ... EVEN WAR that our freedoms were given to us. It is through Blood, Sweat, Sacrifice, Tears, Death - and yes EVEN WAR that they have been maintained and guaranteed... Blessings, On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Robert West wrote: > We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are > condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all > across > this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. > No one > should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The > fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and > our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the > military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know > our own importance. > Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. > > Bob- > > > > . > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only > one group has offered and continues to offer the "ultimate sacrifice". > Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't > just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to > serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave > markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just > because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get > priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny > and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West > > > wrote: >> Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, >> unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth >> being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to >> be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least >> we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The >> military really isn't the point of it. >> >> But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door >> to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the >> military pisses me off. >> >> MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not > military. >> The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As >> well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to >> stand up and say "Enough!" with total disregard to their personal >> safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to >> lay down their life in the military, that I will say "Thank You" to >> on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military >> is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin >> was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand >> "NO MORE", > are we to possess less of an opportuni
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The ultimate sacrifice. The freedom riders, the miners and families at Matawan West Virginia, the protesters at Kent State. These people ALSO made the ultimate sacrifice, they died for what they felt was right. These are the ones I also feel should be remembered and thanked and if you get down to it, they took it upon themselves to fight for our freedoms, to fight for us. In reality, these are the people who are the epitome of "Americanism" more than the military for these stood up in defense of the moment with not thought to safety but in pure defense of an ideal. No one ordered them to do a thing, they just did what needed to be done and died for US. No one should get priority. This is to be for all of us, at least for me. We all are supposed to fight for all of us. Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the "ultimate sacrifice". Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West wrote: > Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, > unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being > hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for > all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all > should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military > really isn't the point of it. > > But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door > to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the > military pisses me off. > > MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. > The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As > well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to > stand up and say "Enough!" with total disregard to their personal > safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to > lay down their life in the military, that I will say "Thank You" to on > the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is > for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was > able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand "NO MORE", are we to possess less of an opportunity? > No. > > Thank You. > Thank You. > Thank You. > > Thank you to US. ALL OF US! > > WE ROCK! > > Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. > > Bob- > > > > > > ---Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Everyone please have a safe & sane 4th! > > - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - > > They Signed For Us > Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, > Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments > > Happy Anniversary To Us > > Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal > Liberty Digest. How time flies when youre having fun! As many of you > know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty > Digest every weekChip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Fridays > columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesdays. > > As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest was > about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and > their sacred honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only > appropriate to repeat that message again today, as we prepare to celebrate our 234th Independence Day. > Happy July 4! > > Every schoolchild in America knows why we celebrate the Fourth of July. > Flags and fireworks commemorate the day we declared our independence > from Britain. > > On July 4, 1776, after months of heated debate, representatives of the > Continental Congress voted unanimously that, These United Colonies > are and of right ought to be Free and Independent St
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Bob - out of interest... Do you have any law enforcement, EMS, Fire or Military experience in your background? While working 9/11 - I lost many friends. While I survived with only cancer (and a bunch of weight gain) much of our platoon of EMS and Fire fighters got much worse. My children have had Tumors (the ones born after 9/11 and after my service there... ) Last I checked the parade in town had both the VFW, PBA, Fire Dept, Churches, Bikes with kids riding them, and yes - EVEN just as you call it EQUAL AMERICANS on the streets walking. Please don't take this as if I am attacking you - but I am wondering if you have paid any sacrifice towards the freedoms you hold so dear... Not saying that you have not - not done anything either... It was however through Blood, Sacrifice, Tears, Death, and yes ... EVEN WAR that our freedoms were given to us. It is through Blood, Sweat, Sacrifice, Tears, Death - and yes EVEN WAR that they have been maintained and guaranteed... Blessings, On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Robert West wrote: > We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are > condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all > across > this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. > No one > should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The > fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and > our > country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military > have > their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own > importance. > Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. > > Bob- > > > > . > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, > only one > group has offered and continues to offer the "ultimate sacrifice". > Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They > didn't just > the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to > serve, but > after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I > realize I > do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't > own the > 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only > ones who > actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell > you > differently. > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West > > wrote: >> Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, >> unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth >> being >> hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for >> all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all >> should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military >> really isn't the point of it. >> >> But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door >> to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the >> military pisses me off. >> >> MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not > military. >> The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As >> well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to >> stand up and say "Enough!" with total disregard to their personal >> safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to >> lay down their life in the military, that I will say "Thank You" to >> on >> the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is >> for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was >> able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand "NO >> MORE", > are we to possess less of an opportunity? >> No. >> >> Thank You. >> Thank You. >> Thank You. >> >> Thank you to US. ALL OF US! >> >> WE ROCK! >> >> Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> >> >> ---Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! >> >> Everyone please have a safe & sane 4th! >> >> - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - >> >&
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We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. Bob- . -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the "ultimate sacrifice". Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West wrote: > Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, > unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being > hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for > all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all > should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military > really isn't the point of it. > > But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door > to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the > military pisses me off. > > MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. > The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As > well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to > stand up and say "Enough!" with total disregard to their personal > safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to > lay down their life in the military, that I will say "Thank You" to on > the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is > for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was > able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand "NO MORE", are we to possess less of an opportunity? > No. > > Thank You. > Thank You. > Thank You. > > Thank you to US. ALL OF US! > > WE ROCK! > > Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. > > Bob- > > > > > > ---Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Everyone please have a safe & sane 4th! > > - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - > > They Signed For Us > Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, > Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments > > Happy Anniversary To Us > > Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal > Liberty Digest. How time flies when youre having fun! As many of you > know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty > Digest every weekChip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Fridays > columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesdays. > > As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest was > about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and > their sacred honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only > appropriate to repeat that message again today, as we prepare to celebrate our 234th Independence Day. > Happy July 4! > > Every schoolchild in America knows why we celebrate the Fourth of July. > Flags and fireworks commemorate the day we declared our independence > from Britain. > > On July 4, 1776, after months of heated debate, representatives of the > Continental Congress voted unanimously that, These United Colonies > are and of right ought to be Free and Independent States. > > Thirteen colonies voted to become something new in historythe United > States of America. Now, all they had to do was win their independence > from a government that would consider them traitors. > > Fifty-six men bravely
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Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the "ultimate sacrifice". Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West wrote: > Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, > unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being > hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of > us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in > the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point > of it. > > But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to > controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military > pisses me off. > > MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. > The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as > many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say > "Enough!" with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those > people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the > military, that I will say "Thank You" to on the fourth as well as every > other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, > not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the > Russian army and demand "NO MORE", are we to possess less of an opportunity? > No. > > Thank You. > Thank You. > Thank You. > > Thank you to US. ALL OF US! > > WE ROCK! > > Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. > > Bob- > > > > > > ---Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Everyone please have a safe & sane 4th! > > - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - > > They Signed For Us > Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, > Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments > > Happy Anniversary To Us > > Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty > Digest™. How time flies when you’re having fun! As many of you know, I also > write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest™ every > week—Chip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Friday’s columns, and This > Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesday’s. > > As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest™ was about > the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred > honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only appropriate to repeat that > message again today, as we prepare to celebrate our 234th Independence Day. > Happy July 4! > > Every schoolchild in America knows why we celebrate the Fourth of July. > Flags and fireworks commemorate the day we declared our independence from > Britain. > > On July 4, 1776, after months of heated debate, representatives of the > Continental Congress voted unanimously that, “These United Colonies are and > of right ought to be Free and Independent States.” > > Thirteen colonies voted to become something new in history—the United States > of America. Now, all they had to do was win their independence from a > government that would consider them traitors. > > Fifty-six men bravely affixed their signatures to the Declaration of > Independence. What sort of men were they? And what became of them? > > Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists, 11 were merchants and nine were > farmers or plantation owners. They were well-educated men of means. > All of them had a great deal to lose when they voted to defy what was then > the most powerful nation on earth. Yet they willingly risked everything when > they pledged to each other “our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.” > > As I said, all of us can explain why we celebrate Independence Day on July > 4th. But how many of us can name even a handful of the signers of the > Declaration of Independence? How much do we know, really, about the men who > risked their lives and every
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Besides, I'm a vegetarian. What the heck am I gonna grill? Eggplant?!!!??? Kiss my a**. (No Surprise) Viva la USA! HA! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say "Enough!" with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say "Thank You" to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand "NO MORE", are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. Bob- ---Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Everyone please have a safe & sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest. How time flies when youre having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest every weekChip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Fridays columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesdays. As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest was about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only appropriate to repeat that message again today, as we prepare to celebrate our 234th Independence Day. Happy July 4! Every schoolchild in America knows why we celebrate the Fourth of July. Flags and fireworks commemorate the day we declared our independence from Britain. On July 4, 1776, after months of heated debate, representatives of the Continental Congress voted unanimously that, These United Colonies are and of right ought to be Free and Independent States. Thirteen colonies voted to become something new in historythe United States of America. Now, all they had to do was win their independence from a government that would consider them traitors. Fifty-six men bravely affixed their signatures to the Declaration of Independence. What sort of men were they? And what became of them? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists, 11 were merchants and nine were farmers or plantation owners. They were well-educated men of means. All of them had a great deal to lose when they voted to defy what was then the most powerful nation on earth. Yet they willingly risked everything when they pledged to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor. As I said, all of us can explain why we celebrate Independence Day on July 4th. But how many of us can name even a handful of the signers of the Declaration of Independence? How much do we know, really, about the men who risked their lives and everything they owned in the cause of freedom? Because the story of the signers is so inspiring, weve arranged a special treat for you todaya free copy of a wonderful little book called They Signed For Us. Half a century ago two patriotic ladies in the Midwest wanted to help others learn more about the remarkable men who signed the Declaration. Merle Sinclair and Annabel Douglas McArthur wrote a delightful book about the events of that time, including a history of each of the signers. They called it, They Signed For Us. At the end of todays column, youll find a link that will take you to a free copy of the book. You may read it online or download it and print your own copy. The file also includes a list of all of the signers and the states t
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say "Enough!" with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say "Thank You" to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand "NO MORE", are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. Bob- ---Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Everyone please have a safe & sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest. How time flies when youre having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest every weekChip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Fridays columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesdays. As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest was about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only appropriate to repeat that message again today, as we prepare to celebrate our 234th Independence Day. Happy July 4! Every schoolchild in America knows why we celebrate the Fourth of July. Flags and fireworks commemorate the day we declared our independence from Britain. On July 4, 1776, after months of heated debate, representatives of the Continental Congress voted unanimously that, These United Colonies are and of right ought to be Free and Independent States. Thirteen colonies voted to become something new in historythe United States of America. Now, all they had to do was win their independence from a government that would consider them traitors. Fifty-six men bravely affixed their signatures to the Declaration of Independence. What sort of men were they? And what became of them? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists, 11 were merchants and nine were farmers or plantation owners. They were well-educated men of means. All of them had a great deal to lose when they voted to defy what was then the most powerful nation on earth. Yet they willingly risked everything when they pledged to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor. As I said, all of us can explain why we celebrate Independence Day on July 4th. But how many of us can name even a handful of the signers of the Declaration of Independence? How much do we know, really, about the men who risked their lives and everything they owned in the cause of freedom? Because the story of the signers is so inspiring, weve arranged a special treat for you todaya free copy of a wonderful little book called They Signed For Us. Half a century ago two patriotic ladies in the Midwest wanted to help others learn more about the remarkable men who signed the Declaration. Merle Sinclair and Annabel Douglas McArthur wrote a delightful book about the events of that time, including a history of each of the signers. They called it, They Signed For Us. At the end of todays column, youll find a link that will take you to a free copy of the book. You may read it online or download it and print your own copy. The file also includes a list of all of the signers and the states they represented, plus the complete text of the Declaration of Independence. To whet your appetite a bit, heres an excerpt from They Signed For Us. SUDDENLY THE BIG BELL in the State House steeple pealed joyously. The appointed signal! Cheers rose from the waiting crowds. Proclaim liberty throughout the land . Cannon boomed, drums rolled. Church bells rang, so
[WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
Everyone please have a safe & sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest™. How time flies when you’re having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest™ every week—Chip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Friday’s columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesday’s. As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest™ was about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only appropriate to repeat that message again today, as we prepare to celebrate our 234th Independence Day. Happy July 4! Every schoolchild in America knows why we celebrate the Fourth of July. Flags and fireworks commemorate the day we declared our independence from Britain. On July 4, 1776, after months of heated debate, representatives of the Continental Congress voted unanimously that, “These United Colonies are and of right ought to be Free and Independent States.” Thirteen colonies voted to become something new in history—the United States of America. Now, all they had to do was win their independence from a government that would consider them traitors. Fifty-six men bravely affixed their signatures to the Declaration of Independence. What sort of men were they? And what became of them? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists, 11 were merchants and nine were farmers or plantation owners. They were well-educated men of means. All of them had a great deal to lose when they voted to defy what was then the most powerful nation on earth. Yet they willingly risked everything when they pledged to each other “our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.” As I said, all of us can explain why we celebrate Independence Day on July 4th. But how many of us can name even a handful of the signers of the Declaration of Independence? How much do we know, really, about the men who risked their lives and everything they owned in the cause of freedom? Because the story of the signers is so inspiring, we’ve arranged a special treat for you today—a free copy of a wonderful little book called They Signed For Us. Half a century ago two patriotic ladies in the Midwest wanted to help others learn more about the remarkable men who signed the Declaration. Merle Sinclair and Annabel Douglas McArthur wrote a delightful book about the events of that time, including a history of each of the signers. They called it, They Signed For Us. At the end of today’s column, you’ll find a link that will take you to a free copy of the book. You may read it online or download it and print your own copy. The file also includes a list of all of the signers and the states they represented, plus the complete text of the Declaration of Independence. To whet your appetite a bit, here’s an excerpt from They Signed For Us. “SUDDENLY THE BIG BELL in the State House steeple pealed joyously. The appointed signal! Cheers rose from the waiting crowds. “‘Proclaim liberty throughout the land….’ “Cannon boomed, drums rolled. Church bells rang, sounding the death knell of British domination! “News of the adoption of the Declaration of Independence spread like wildfire. Ready messengers leaped into their saddles to ride and spread the word. The Declaration had been ordered printed on a single large sheet, ‘45.5 x 37.5 cm.,’ or approximately 18 inches by 15 inches. These broadsides were distributed with all possible speed, to be read in the provincial assemblies, pulpits, market places, and army camps.” The story continues: “On July 8, the Liberty Bell summoned citizens of Philadelphia to the State House yard for a public reading of the document. Colonel John Nixon mounted a high platform and spoke the noble lines in a strong, clear voice. The crowd, now hushed, listened intently throughout. “ ‘…for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.’” It was almost a month later that the Declaration was engrossed on parchment and ready for signing by the delegates to the Continental Congress. Members gathered on Aug. 2 for the ceremony. The only person who had signed the Declaration on July 4 was John Hancock, a delegate from Boston who had been elected president of the Continental Congress. He wrote his signature in large, bold letters and as he did, in a reference to the near-sightedness of the British king, he declared, “There! John Bull can read my name without spectacles and may now double his reward of £500 for my head. That is my defiance.” As the delegates gathered around a desk to sign the Declaration, William Emery, on
