Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
When I asked about any gotchas in upgrading from 2.9 to 3.x, Tom Harker told me to make sure I upgrade to 2.9.50 first, then upgrade the firmware, then go to 3.2. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS That is cool Travis - Thanks for that info. I have been tip Toeing around V3.x since it came out and have avoided downloading it to even try it out. This last batch of RB532's came in with it preloaded on them is the only reason I have even seen it thus far. I guess I am a strange puppy and I fit in the category of don't mess with nothing or change nothing if the old way works well:-) - - good thing the rest of the world is not that way or we would all still be in T Models, but then they didn't really work all that well although they beat the snot out of walking! Good to hear V3.2 is stable and I will definitely upgrade all my new RB's to that. Let me know if you see some boogers - hehehe as I tip toe on down through the Tulip patch here. I hate to say it, but I used to think the rest of the world (all of it) was really strange, but my wife has just about convinced me that it is me who is strange and the rest of the world is OK! WOW - that's a strange thought in itself!! :-) (Med and bed time) Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mac, I have been running in production links and GigE routers since 3.0rc13. Our main edge router is MT v3.1 right now and is running perfectly. I have upgraded about 10 of our RB532's with v3.2 and it has been perfect so far. Some of the new statistics are really cool (like the Potential Throughput display for each connected radio, running pseudobridge instead of WDS, etc.) Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: Travis, Do you know anyone that has the new MT v3.x in a production environment? I have two RB532's that were just configured using Nstream and I am looking at putting them in a work situation. I too am ordering some 333 and RB600's if I can find some tonight. The RB532's that are ready to roll are actually seeing 12.5Mbps FDX with ~62/~63 - - Let me know how you fair and I will keep you informed. Thanks, Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 10:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 5mhz channel, 7.8Mbps one direction 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 40mhz channel, 52.3Mbps one direction All these tests are with Nstreme on, but no framer policy. I know people have squeezed more by playing with the framer settings, but we have never needed to do that. I'm sure more CPU would help some... but I have no idea how much. I know even the RB333 boards (same price as the RB532) have twice the CPU power as the RB532s... and I have some of those on the way already. ;) Travis Microserv Jeromie Reeves wrote: What about 5mhz channels? Do you have enough signal to try 40 mhz? I am about to replace 5 links with MT 5.8. Does more CPU help on the sending side, say P4 to RB133/333. On 2/9/08, Travis Johnson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a real world MT test running RB532's (333mhz) with v3.2 OS: 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 10mhz channel, 18.3Mbps one direction 5.8ghz, 9 miles, 20mhz channel, 27.3Mbps one direction A more comparable test would be using the new MT RB600 units (as they are almost exactly the same price as the WAR4 boards). I will get a couple ordered and deployed so we can do some comparable testing. :) Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: OK, here are some real world examples: 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 50meg one way. 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles. WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s) 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves Antennas. 18meg one way. FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg down, 3 up We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one direction. Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to an RB532) nearly doubles
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
Here is a real world MT test running RB532's (333mhz) with v3.2 OS: 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 10mhz channel, 18.3Mbps one direction 5.8ghz, 9 miles, 20mhz channel, 27.3Mbps one direction A more comparable test would be using the new MT RB600 units (as they are almost exactly the same price as the WAR4 boards). I will get a couple ordered and deployed so we can do some comparable testing. :) Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: OK, here are some real world examples: 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas.50meg one way. 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles.WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s) 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves Antennas.18meg one way. FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg down, 3 up We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one direction. Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to an RB532) nearly doubles the speed. On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul. Matt Larsen Inventive Media Mark Nash wrote: 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph looked like a solid block without any deviation. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and "maybe" if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
What about 5mhz channels? Do you have enough signal to try 40 mhz? I am about to replace 5 links with MT 5.8. Does more CPU help on the sending side, say P4 to RB133/333. On 2/9/08, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a real world MT test running RB532's (333mhz) with v3.2 OS: 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 10mhz channel, 18.3Mbps one direction 5.8ghz, 9 miles, 20mhz channel, 27.3Mbps one direction A more comparable test would be using the new MT RB600 units (as they are almost exactly the same price as the WAR4 boards). I will get a couple ordered and deployed so we can do some comparable testing. :) Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: OK, here are some real world examples: 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 50meg one way. 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles. WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s) 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves Antennas. 18meg one way. FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg down, 3 up We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one direction. Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to an RB532) nearly doubles the speed. On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul. Matt Larsen Inventive Media Mark Nash wrote: 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph looked like a solid block without any deviation. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and maybe if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
Sounds good. In the next week or two (depends on weather) I will be changing my main links. Good to have some numbers to compare against. I will make a note to post my numbers (P4 to RB133). What about signal levels and mpci cards used? Now if MT would allow different sized NStream2 setups (say 40/5) I would be very happy. Why use all 40/20/10 on the return side, I push 10mbit out but only ~1mb or so back. On 2/9/08, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 5mhz channel, 7.8Mbps one direction 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 40mhz channel, 52.3Mbps one direction All these tests are with Nstreme on, but no framer policy. I know people have squeezed more by playing with the framer settings, but we have never needed to do that. I'm sure more CPU would help some... but I have no idea how much. I know even the RB333 boards (same price as the RB532) have twice the CPU power as the RB532s... and I have some of those on the way already. ;) Travis Microserv Jeromie Reeves wrote: What about 5mhz channels? Do you have enough signal to try 40 mhz? I am about to replace 5 links with MT 5.8. Does more CPU help on the sending side, say P4 to RB133/333. On 2/9/08, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a real world MT test running RB532's (333mhz) with v3.2 OS: 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 10mhz channel, 18.3Mbps one direction 5.8ghz, 9 miles, 20mhz channel, 27.3Mbps one direction A more comparable test would be using the new MT RB600 units (as they are almost exactly the same price as the WAR4 boards). I will get a couple ordered and deployed so we can do some comparable testing. :) Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: OK, here are some real world examples: 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 50meg one way. 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles. WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s) 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves Antennas. 18meg one way. FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg down, 3 up We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one direction. Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to an RB532) nearly doubles the speed. On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul. Matt Larsen Inventive Media Mark Nash wrote: 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph looked like a solid block without any deviation. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and maybe if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
Travis, Do you know anyone that has the new MT v3.x in a production environment? I have two RB532's that were just configured using Nstream and I am looking at putting them in a work situation. I too am ordering some 333 and RB600's if I can find some tonight. The RB532's that are ready to roll are actually seeing 12.5Mbps FDX with ~62/~63 - - Let me know how you fair and I will keep you informed. Thanks, Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 10:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 5mhz channel, 7.8Mbps one direction 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 40mhz channel, 52.3Mbps one direction All these tests are with Nstreme on, but no framer policy. I know people have squeezed more by playing with the framer settings, but we have never needed to do that. I'm sure more CPU would help some... but I have no idea how much. I know even the RB333 boards (same price as the RB532) have twice the CPU power as the RB532s... and I have some of those on the way already. ;) Travis Microserv Jeromie Reeves wrote: What about 5mhz channels? Do you have enough signal to try 40 mhz? I am about to replace 5 links with MT 5.8. Does more CPU help on the sending side, say P4 to RB133/333. On 2/9/08, Travis Johnson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a real world MT test running RB532's (333mhz) with v3.2 OS: 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 10mhz channel, 18.3Mbps one direction 5.8ghz, 9 miles, 20mhz channel, 27.3Mbps one direction A more comparable test would be using the new MT RB600 units (as they are almost exactly the same price as the WAR4 boards). I will get a couple ordered and deployed so we can do some comparable testing. :) Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: OK, here are some real world examples: 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 50meg one way. 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles. WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s) 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves Antennas. 18meg one way. FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg down, 3 up We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one direction. Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to an RB532) nearly doubles the speed. On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul. Matt Larsen Inventive Media Mark Nash wrote: 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph looked like a solid block without any deviation. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and maybe if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
Can't you just "bond" the two wireless cards and get the throughput you want that way? Travis Microserv Jeromie Reeves wrote: Sounds good. In the next week or two (depends on weather) I will be changing my main links. Good to have some numbers to compare against. I will make a note to post my numbers (P4 to RB133). What about signal levels and mpci cards used? Now if MT would allow different sized NStream2 setups (say 40/5) I would be very happy. Why use all 40/20/10 on the return side, I push 10mbit out but only ~1mb or so back. On 2/9/08, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 5mhz channel, 7.8Mbps one direction 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 40mhz channel, 52.3Mbps one direction All these tests are with Nstreme on, but no framer policy. I know people have squeezed more by playing with the framer settings, but we have never needed to do that. I'm sure more CPU would help some... but I have no idea how much. I know even the RB333 boards (same price as the RB532) have twice the CPU power as the RB532s... and I have some of those on the way already. ;) Travis Microserv Jeromie Reeves wrote: What about 5mhz channels? Do you have enough signal to try 40 mhz? I am about to replace 5 links with MT 5.8. Does more CPU help on the sending side, say P4 to RB133/333. On 2/9/08, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a real world MT test running RB532's (333mhz) with v3.2 OS: 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 10mhz channel, 18.3Mbps one direction 5.8ghz, 9 miles, 20mhz channel, 27.3Mbps one direction A more comparable test would be using the new MT RB600 units (as they are almost exactly the same price as the WAR4 boards). I will get a couple ordered and deployed so we can do some comparable testing. :) Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: OK, here are some real world examples: 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 50meg one way. 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles. WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s) 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves Antennas. 18meg one way. FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg down, 3 up We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one direction. Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to an RB532) nearly doubles the speed. On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul. Matt Larsen Inventive Media Mark Nash wrote: 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph looked like a solid block without any deviation. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and "maybe" if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/m
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
Mac, I have been running in production links and GigE routers since 3.0rc13. Our main edge router is MT v3.1 right now and is running perfectly. I have upgraded about 10 of our RB532's with v3.2 and it has been perfect so far. Some of the new statistics are really cool (like the Potential Throughput display for each connected radio, running pseudobridge instead of WDS, etc.) Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: Travis, Do you know anyone that has the new MT v3.x in a production environment? I have two RB532's that were just configured using Nstream and I am looking at putting them in a work situation. I too am ordering some 333 and RB600's if I can find some tonight. The RB532's that are ready to roll are actually seeing 12.5Mbps FDX with ~62/~63 - - Let me know how you fair and I will keep you informed. Thanks, Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 10:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 5mhz channel, 7.8Mbps one direction 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 40mhz channel, 52.3Mbps one direction All these tests are with Nstreme on, but no framer policy. I know people have squeezed more by playing with the framer settings, but we have never needed to do that. I'm sure more CPU would help some... but I have no idea how much. I know even the RB333 boards (same price as the RB532) have twice the CPU power as the RB532s... and I have some of those on the way already. ;) Travis Microserv Jeromie Reeves wrote: What about 5mhz channels? Do you have enough signal to try 40 mhz? I am about to replace 5 links with MT 5.8. Does more CPU help on the sending side, say P4 to RB133/333. On 2/9/08, Travis Johnson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a real world MT test running RB532's (333mhz) with v3.2 OS: 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 10mhz channel, 18.3Mbps one direction 5.8ghz, 9 miles, 20mhz channel, 27.3Mbps one direction A more comparable test would be using the new MT RB600 units (as they are almost exactly the same price as the WAR4 boards). I will get a couple ordered and deployed so we can do some comparable testing. :) Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: OK, here are some real world examples: 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 50meg one way. 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles. WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s) 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves Antennas. 18meg one way. FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg down, 3 up We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one direction. Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to an RB532) nearly doubles the speed. On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul. Matt Larsen Inventive Media Mark Nash wrote: 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph looked like a solid block without any deviation. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and maybe if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302
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That is cool Travis - Thanks for that info. I have been tip Toeing around V3.x since it came out and have avoided downloading it to even try it out. This last batch of RB532's came in with it preloaded on them is the only reason I have even seen it thus far. I guess I am a strange puppy and I fit in the category of don't mess with nothing or change nothing if the old way works well:-) - - good thing the rest of the world is not that way or we would all still be in T Models, but then they didn't really work all that well although they beat the snot out of walking! Good to hear V3.2 is stable and I will definitely upgrade all my new RB's to that. Let me know if you see some boogers - hehehe as I tip toe on down through the Tulip patch here. I hate to say it, but I used to think the rest of the world (all of it) was really strange, but my wife has just about convinced me that it is me who is strange and the rest of the world is OK! WOW - that's a strange thought in itself!! :-) (Med and bed time) Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mac, I have been running in production links and GigE routers since 3.0rc13. Our main edge router is MT v3.1 right now and is running perfectly. I have upgraded about 10 of our RB532's with v3.2 and it has been perfect so far. Some of the new statistics are really cool (like the Potential Throughput display for each connected radio, running pseudobridge instead of WDS, etc.) Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: Travis, Do you know anyone that has the new MT v3.x in a production environment? I have two RB532's that were just configured using Nstream and I am looking at putting them in a work situation. I too am ordering some 333 and RB600's if I can find some tonight. The RB532's that are ready to roll are actually seeing 12.5Mbps FDX with ~62/~63 - - Let me know how you fair and I will keep you informed. Thanks, Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 10:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 5mhz channel, 7.8Mbps one direction 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 40mhz channel, 52.3Mbps one direction All these tests are with Nstreme on, but no framer policy. I know people have squeezed more by playing with the framer settings, but we have never needed to do that. I'm sure more CPU would help some... but I have no idea how much. I know even the RB333 boards (same price as the RB532) have twice the CPU power as the RB532s... and I have some of those on the way already. ;) Travis Microserv Jeromie Reeves wrote: What about 5mhz channels? Do you have enough signal to try 40 mhz? I am about to replace 5 links with MT 5.8. Does more CPU help on the sending side, say P4 to RB133/333. On 2/9/08, Travis Johnson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a real world MT test running RB532's (333mhz) with v3.2 OS: 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 10mhz channel, 18.3Mbps one direction 5.8ghz, 9 miles, 20mhz channel, 27.3Mbps one direction A more comparable test would be using the new MT RB600 units (as they are almost exactly the same price as the WAR4 boards). I will get a couple ordered and deployed so we can do some comparable testing. :) Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: OK, here are some real world examples: 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 50meg one way. 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles. WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s) 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves Antennas. 18meg one way. FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg down, 3 up We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one direction. Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to an RB532) nearly doubles the speed. On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul. Matt Larsen Inventive Media Mark Nash wrote: 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph
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That is what we will do for now. I want to reuse as much spectrum as possible with as little consumption as possible. Having 4 AP's all able to TX on the same channel would facilitate that, but if they expect RX on that channel then its a no go. The end points are far enough away with high enough gain antennas that they will not hear one of the other aps. The ap's will hear each other (at least one each) due to mounting requirements On 2/9/08, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't you just bond the two wireless cards and get the throughput you want that way? Travis Microserv Jeromie Reeves wrote: Sounds good. In the next week or two (depends on weather) I will be changing my main links. Good to have some numbers to compare against. I will make a note to post my numbers (P4 to RB133). What about signal levels and mpci cards used? Now if MT would allow different sized NStream2 setups (say 40/5) I would be very happy. Why use all 40/20/10 on the return side, I push 10mbit out but only ~1mb or so back. On 2/9/08, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 5mhz channel, 7.8Mbps one direction 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 40mhz channel, 52.3Mbps one direction All these tests are with Nstreme on, but no framer policy. I know people have squeezed more by playing with the framer settings, but we have never needed to do that. I'm sure more CPU would help some... but I have no idea how much. I know even the RB333 boards (same price as the RB532) have twice the CPU power as the RB532s... and I have some of those on the way already. ;) Travis Microserv Jeromie Reeves wrote: What about 5mhz channels? Do you have enough signal to try 40 mhz? I am about to replace 5 links with MT 5.8. Does more CPU help on the sending side, say P4 to RB133/333. On 2/9/08, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a real world MT test running RB532's (333mhz) with v3.2 OS: 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 10mhz channel, 18.3Mbps one direction 5.8ghz, 9 miles, 20mhz channel, 27.3Mbps one direction A more comparable test would be using the new MT RB600 units (as they are almost exactly the same price as the WAR4 boards). I will get a couple ordered and deployed so we can do some comparable testing. :) Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: OK, here are some real world examples: 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 50meg one way. 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles. WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s) 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves Antennas. 18meg one way. FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg down, 3 up We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one direction. Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to an RB532) nearly doubles the speed. On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul. Matt Larsen Inventive Media Mark Nash wrote: 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph looked like a solid block without any deviation. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and maybe if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday
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Hi, I just upgraded another link that we have Celeron 1.5ghz boards on each side... going 2 miles: 20mhz channel = 33.2Mbps one direction 40mhz channel = 56.9Mbps one direction I have to say I am truly impressed if the number Matt posted below is correct (and not a typo or something). Getting 45Mbps from 20mhz of spectrum is very impressive. Are you using compression on these links? Travis Microserv Jeromie Reeves wrote: Sounds good. In the next week or two (depends on weather) I will be changing my main links. Good to have some numbers to compare against. I will make a note to post my numbers (P4 to RB133). What about signal levels and mpci cards used? Now if MT would allow different sized NStream2 setups (say 40/5) I would be very happy. Why use all 40/20/10 on the return side, I push 10mbit out but only ~1mb or so back. On 2/9/08, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 5mhz channel, 7.8Mbps one direction 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 40mhz channel, 52.3Mbps one direction All these tests are with Nstreme on, but no framer policy. I know people have squeezed more by playing with the framer settings, but we have never needed to do that. I'm sure more CPU would help some... but I have no idea how much. I know even the RB333 boards (same price as the RB532) have twice the CPU power as the RB532s... and I have some of those on the way already. ;) Travis Microserv Jeromie Reeves wrote: What about 5mhz channels? Do you have enough signal to try 40 mhz? I am about to replace 5 links with MT 5.8. Does more CPU help on the sending side, say P4 to RB133/333. On 2/9/08, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a real world MT test running RB532's (333mhz) with v3.2 OS: 5.3ghz, 3 miles, 10mhz channel, 18.3Mbps one direction 5.8ghz, 9 miles, 20mhz channel, 27.3Mbps one direction A more comparable test would be using the new MT RB600 units (as they are almost exactly the same price as the WAR4 boards). I will get a couple ordered and deployed so we can do some comparable testing. :) Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: OK, here are some real world examples: 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 50meg one way. 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles. WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s) 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves Antennas. 18meg one way. FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg down, 3 up We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one direction. Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to an RB532) nearly doubles the speed. On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul. Matt Larsen Inventive Media Mark Nash wrote: 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph looked like a solid block without any deviation. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and "maybe" if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing S
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The RB333 and RB600 have comparable MHz, but are significantly faster than the RB532. As the Intel vs. AMD wars have shown us, MHz is a worthless unit of comparison among processor lines. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS OK, here are some real world examples: 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas.50meg one way. 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles.WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s) 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves Antennas.18meg one way. FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg down, 3 up We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one direction. Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to an RB532) nearly doubles the speed. On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul. Matt Larsen Inventive Media Mark Nash wrote: 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph looked like a solid block without any deviation. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and maybe if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
I meant better than previous MT drivers, not Star-OS wireless drivers. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mike Hammett wrote: I believe MT v3 has a new wireless driver that is better. Hmmm, A statement like that must mean that you have quite abit real world experience to back this up. Do you have lots of MT and Star units in the wild for considerable legnths of time? When giving advice, you should really stick to what your experiences have been. People make investments based on advice from experienced operators. I would hate to steer someone wrong and see them shoot them selves in the foot and go broke on what I have said. Sort of like a couple years back when Smart Bridges was being pumped. Seen a lot of agony there. And Wisps that threw in the towel as well. It's one reason why I never say anything about what I don't use. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
Mike Hammett wrote: I believe MT v3 has a new wireless driver that is better. Hmmm, A statement like that must mean that you have quite abit real world experience to back this up. Do you have lots of MT and Star units in the wild for considerable legnths of time? When giving advice, you should really stick to what your experiences have been. People make investments based on advice from experienced operators. I would hate to steer someone wrong and see them shoot them selves in the foot and go broke on what I have said. Sort of like a couple years back when Smart Bridges was being pumped. Seen a lot of agony there. And Wisps that threw in the towel as well. It's one reason why I never say anything about what I don't use. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
I'll second that by adding, not only have consistent testing tools for testing each product, but also taking the time to test the testing tools as well. It can make a BIG difference which PC a testing tool is running from. Taking for granted that one P4 router will perform the same as another P4 router is not always the case. recent tests we showed, The chip set or NIC card in the testing machine could make as much as a 50% difference. On the bench I always test betwee nthe two testing machine via patch cable, before injecting the radio we are testing. Its also importnat to correctly set the buffer size of the test tool, to guarantee results. A Radio may pass faster capacity than it can generate itself for a test. In our tests Mikrotik had always lagged behind, but it was a hardware limit not a software limit. It will be really interesting to see how MT software performs on faster hardware, like their newer processor type models. We had also found that the Ligowave 533 gear performed excellent, in both our lab and field trials, as far as actual throughput, apples to apples comparisons. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I'm not trying to make things more complicated, but the tool used to test is also very important. For example, if you use a BW test tool that pumps compressible data into a wireless link that has compression turned on, then you might get misleading results. IMO, if you are showing your best results, then full packets are OK but the packet fill should be random or at least consistent across the test platforms. You also, need to know what the results are showing you from the test. An example is Atlas's built-in test tool that reports in the manual that: Throughput numbers represent the absolute maximum bi-directional capacity including the management header (which is not available for user payload) so actual user throughput measurements will be slightly less. I am not saying that this is good or bad, just that it should be a factor in comparisons (as is the case with any benchmark testing). -Hal -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:31:42 -0700 OK, here are some real world examples: 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas.50meg one way. 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles.WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s) 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves Antennas.18meg one way. FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg down, 3 up We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one direction. Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to an RB532) nearly doubles the speed. On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul. Matt Larsen Inventive Media Mark Nash wrote: 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph looked like a solid block without any deviation. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and maybe if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
The 35 meg 18 mile link as I said, was with good hardware, the processor is not the limitation.This was 35meg, real usage thoughput. Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I'll second that by adding, not only have consistent testing tools for testing each product, but also taking the time to test the testing tools as well. It can make a BIG difference which PC a testing tool is running from. Taking for granted that one P4 router will perform the same as another P4 router is not always the case. recent tests we showed, The chip set or NIC card in the testing machine could make as much as a 50% difference. On the bench I always test betwee nthe two testing machine via patch cable, before injecting the radio we are testing. Its also importnat to correctly set the buffer size of the test tool, to guarantee results. A Radio may pass faster capacity than it can generate itself for a test. In our tests Mikrotik had always lagged behind, but it was a hardware limit not a software limit. It will be really interesting to see how MT software performs on faster hardware, like their newer processor type models. We had also found that the Ligowave 533 gear performed excellent, in both our lab and field trials, as far as actual throughput, apples to apples comparisons. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I'm not trying to make things more complicated, but the tool used to test is also very important. For example, if you use a BW test tool that pumps compressible data into a wireless link that has compression turned on, then you might get misleading results. IMO, if you are showing your best results, then full packets are OK but the packet fill should be random or at least consistent across the test platforms. You also, need to know what the results are showing you from the test. An example is Atlas's built-in test tool that reports in the manual that: Throughput numbers represent the absolute maximum bi-directional capacity including the management header (which is not available for user payload) so actual user throughput measurements will be slightly less. I am not saying that this is good or bad, just that it should be a factor in comparisons (as is the case with any benchmark testing). -Hal -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:31:42 -0700 OK, here are some real world examples: 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas.50meg one way. 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles.WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s) 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves Antennas.18meg one way. FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg down, 3 up We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one direction. Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to an RB532) nearly doubles the speed. On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul. Matt Larsen Inventive Media Mark Nash wrote: 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph looked like a solid block without any deviation. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
20 MHz or 40 MHz? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS We did a 18 mile shot, dual n-stream with pre-release v3 dual pol antennas, and got 35meg with -70 or so. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and maybe if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I think it's alot easier to deal with Mikrotik as a router wireless AP, due to the interface and ease of configuration. IP addresses, IP routes, bridging, DHCP, DHCP relay...many many things are very easy to configure in the Mikrotik interface. That said...the hardware, and the Atheros wireless driver in StarOS... I'm blown away. Massive throughput seriously low latency. We've configured a pair of WAR4-METROs in a PtP link with a SuperAG (40MHz) channel that has been pulling 70megs aggregate. There was a comment about how expensive the boards are... I don't think they're expensive at all. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I won't hold you to it mac. As long as your running the latest V3 Star-os on all the radios involved bridging works perfectly. I have a mostly all routed network, but I do have a 4 bridged PtP shots that work just fine. They are the first hops out of my noc to my network, Downtime hasn't happened. Nothing has not worked and no flakey weird issues have cropped up. On PtMP, I have no idea because it's routed. Best price I can find is a star-os or now called Lucaya, wp188 533MHz 4 port router that lonnie sells bundled with 4 23db cards in a weatherproof enclosure with power supply and poe. The price on that board if you pull out the cost of the cards etc is about 120-130.00. He's always running YSYL deals that is extra cheap. And it's 100% FCC certified. I haven't used MT, so I can't compare the two. I can only tell you what we have. George Mac Dearman wrote: Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very super reliable huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you are counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS is not an option. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
Matt, A quick question on your examples... on the 10 mile link you are getting 45Mbps with 20Mhz, but on the full-duplex link going the same distance, you are only getting 30Mbps. Why is there a 50% loss when doing full-duplex? Also, are you testing with TCP or UDP? Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: OK, here are some real world examples: 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas.50meg one way. 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles.WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s) 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves Antennas.18meg one way. FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg down, 3 up We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one direction. Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to an RB532) nearly doubles the speed. On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul. Matt Larsen Inventive Media Mark Nash wrote: 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph looked like a solid block without any deviation. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and "maybe" if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
It has to do with CPU load. Since the FDD is running two radios, its doing twice as much work as the one running a single radio. I have observed the FDD links doing 50-55meg in one direction, and my guess is that the most common loaded FDD links will be doing 40-50 in one direction and 10-15 in the other. With more CPU, I'm sure that the speeds will go up considerably. Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: Matt, A quick question on your examples... on the 10 mile link you are getting 45Mbps with 20Mhz, but on the full-duplex link going the same distance, you are only getting 30Mbps. Why is there a 50% loss when doing full-duplex? Also, are you testing with TCP or UDP? Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: OK, here are some real world examples: 5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles. WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas.50meg one way. 5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles.WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless Antennas. 45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s) 5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves Antennas.18meg one way. FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless 30 down, 30 up for comparison: Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg down, 3 up We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one direction. Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to an RB532) nearly doubles the speed. On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul. Matt Larsen Inventive Media Mark Nash wrote: 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph looked like a solid block without any deviation. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and maybe if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I think it's alot easier to deal with Mikrotik as a router wireless AP, due to the interface and ease of configuration. IP addresses, IP routes, bridging, DHCP, DHCP relay...many many things are very easy to configure in the Mikrotik interface. That said...the hardware, and the Atheros wireless driver in StarOS... I'm blown away. Massive throughput seriously low latency. We've configured a pair of WAR4-METROs in a PtP link with a SuperAG (40MHz) channel that has been pulling 70megs aggregate. There was a comment about how expensive the boards are... I don't think they're expensive at all. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I won't hold you to it mac. As long as your running the latest V3 Star-os on all the radios involved bridging works perfectly. I have a mostly all routed network, but I do have a 4 bridged PtP shots that work just fine. They are the first hops out of my noc to my network, Downtime hasn't happened. Nothing has not worked and no flakey weird issues have cropped up. On PtMP, I have no idea because it's routed. Best price I can find is a star-os or now called Lucaya, wp188 533MHz 4 port router that lonnie sells bundled with 4 23db cards in a weatherproof enclosure with power supply and poe. The price on that board if you pull out the cost of the cards etc is about 120-130.00. He's always running YSYL deals that is extra cheap. And it's 100% FCC certified. I haven't used MT, so I can't compare the two. I can only tell you what we have. George Mac Dearman wrote: Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very super reliable huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you are counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS is not an option. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
I believe MT v3 has a new wireless driver that is better. I'm sure Star-OS has their own special mode for greater speed. Were you comparing this vs. MT's 802.11 or N-Streme (or both on 802.11)? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Wallace L. Walcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS We have a mixed Network of MT and Star-OS. Last summer, we did a detailed, in-office analysis of throughput between the two OS's, using exactly the same equipment (a couple of Mini-ITX boxes) and just changing out the CF cards to switch between them. StarOS won hands down. It wasn't even close. Since then, any expansion has been exclusively StarOS. We still use MT for our main router. I really like their queue system. My dream would be the MT bells and whistles with the StarOS wireless driver. Probably never happen, but if I were MT, I would make a pretty offer to StarOS to license it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I think it's alot easier to deal with Mikrotik as a router wireless AP, due to the interface and ease of configuration. IP addresses, IP routes, bridging, DHCP, DHCP relay...many many things are very easy to configure in the Mikrotik interface. That said...the hardware, and the Atheros wireless driver in StarOS... I'm blown away. Massive throughput seriously low latency. We've configured a pair of WAR4-METROs in a PtP link with a SuperAG (40MHz) channel that has been pulling 70megs aggregate. There was a comment about how expensive the boards are... I don't think they're expensive at all. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I won't hold you to it mac. As long as your running the latest V3 Star-os on all the radios involved bridging works perfectly. I have a mostly all routed network, but I do have a 4 bridged PtP shots that work just fine. They are the first hops out of my noc to my network, Downtime hasn't happened. Nothing has not worked and no flakey weird issues have cropped up. On PtMP, I have no idea because it's routed. Best price I can find is a star-os or now called Lucaya, wp188 533MHz 4 port router that lonnie sells bundled with 4 23db cards in a weatherproof enclosure with power supply and poe. The price on that board if you pull out the cost of the cards etc is about 120-130.00. He's always running YSYL deals that is extra cheap. And it's 100% FCC certified. I haven't used MT, so I can't compare the two. I can only tell you what we have. George Mac Dearman wrote: Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very super reliable huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you are counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS is not an option. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
We did a 18 mile shot, dual n-stream with pre-release v3 dual pol antennas, and got 35meg with -70 or so. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and maybe if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I think it's alot easier to deal with Mikrotik as a router wireless AP, due to the interface and ease of configuration. IP addresses, IP routes, bridging, DHCP, DHCP relay...many many things are very easy to configure in the Mikrotik interface. That said...the hardware, and the Atheros wireless driver in StarOS... I'm blown away. Massive throughput seriously low latency. We've configured a pair of WAR4-METROs in a PtP link with a SuperAG (40MHz) channel that has been pulling 70megs aggregate. There was a comment about how expensive the boards are... I don't think they're expensive at all. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I won't hold you to it mac. As long as your running the latest V3 Star-os on all the radios involved bridging works perfectly. I have a mostly all routed network, but I do have a 4 bridged PtP shots that work just fine. They are the first hops out of my noc to my network, Downtime hasn't happened. Nothing has not worked and no flakey weird issues have cropped up. On PtMP, I have no idea because it's routed. Best price I can find is a star-os or now called Lucaya, wp188 533MHz 4 port router that lonnie sells bundled with 4 23db cards in a weatherproof enclosure with power supply and poe. The price on that board if you pull out the cost of the cards etc is about 120-130.00. He's always running YSYL deals that is extra cheap. And it's 100% FCC certified. I haven't used MT, so I can't compare the two. I can only tell you what we have. George Mac Dearman wrote: Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very super reliable huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you are counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS is not an option. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv -- - - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- - - WISPA
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph looked like a solid block without any deviation. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and maybe if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I think it's alot easier to deal with Mikrotik as a router wireless AP, due to the interface and ease of configuration. IP addresses, IP routes, bridging, DHCP, DHCP relay...many many things are very easy to configure in the Mikrotik interface. That said...the hardware, and the Atheros wireless driver in StarOS... I'm blown away. Massive throughput seriously low latency. We've configured a pair of WAR4-METROs in a PtP link with a SuperAG (40MHz) channel that has been pulling 70megs aggregate. There was a comment about how expensive the boards are... I don't think they're expensive at all. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I won't hold you to it mac. As long as your running the latest V3 Star-os on all the radios involved bridging works perfectly. I have a mostly all routed network, but I do have a 4 bridged PtP shots that work just fine. They are the first hops out of my noc to my network, Downtime hasn't happened. Nothing has not worked and no flakey weird issues have cropped up. On PtMP, I have no idea because it's routed. Best price I can find is a star-os or now called Lucaya, wp188 533MHz 4 port router that lonnie sells bundled with 4 23db cards in a weatherproof enclosure with power supply and poe. The price on that board if you pull out the cost of the cards etc is about 120-130.00. He's always running YSYL deals that is extra cheap. And it's 100% FCC certified. I haven't used MT, so I can't compare the two. I can only tell you what we have. George Mac Dearman wrote: Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very super reliable huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you are counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS is not an option. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable
[WISPA] MT vs StarOS
Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
We have a mixed Network of MT and Star-OS. Last summer, we did a detailed, in-office analysis of throughput between the two OS's, using exactly the same equipment (a couple of Mini-ITX boxes) and just changing out the CF cards to switch between them. StarOS won hands down. It wasn't even close. Since then, any expansion has been exclusively StarOS. We still use MT for our main router. I really like their queue system. My dream would be the MT bells and whistles with the StarOS wireless driver. Probably never happen, but if I were MT, I would make a pretty offer to StarOS to license it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very super reliable huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you are counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS is not an option. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
I dunno Star's details, but Mikrotik has something similar to Sync. but it may only apply to frequency. Mikrotik also has a certified CPE, the Crossroads. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
Interesting, I was hoping to switch a few towers over from War4 Metro's to the RB333's because the War4's are just too expensive. I have a tower with the radio's all on the ground so maybe I'll switch that one over and test it all first. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wallace L. Walcher Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS We have a mixed Network of MT and Star-OS. Last summer, we did a detailed, in-office analysis of throughput between the two OS's, using exactly the same equipment (a couple of Mini-ITX boxes) and just changing out the CF cards to switch between them. StarOS won hands down. It wasn't even close. Since then, any expansion has been exclusively StarOS. We still use MT for our main router. I really like their queue system. My dream would be the MT bells and whistles with the StarOS wireless driver. Probably never happen, but if I were MT, I would make a pretty offer to StarOS to license it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
StarV3 requires WDS to bridge - and since WDS is loosely defined and often proprietary between brands, it is often incompatible. In the same sense, we couldn't get our RB112s to bridge either with a StarV3 access point. I think they both rely on their own systems to bridge properly. -Nick Mac Dearman wrote: Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very super reliable huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you are counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS is not an option. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
Check on the Valemount site and look for the X-4000. It is under $400 and has four radios and pigtails in it. Performance is equal to or better than the WAR4s or RB333s. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Interesting, I was hoping to switch a few towers over from War4 Metro's to the RB333's because the War4's are just too expensive. I have a tower with the radio's all on the ground so maybe I'll switch that one over and test it all first. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wallace L. Walcher Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS We have a mixed Network of MT and Star-OS. Last summer, we did a detailed, in-office analysis of throughput between the two OS's, using exactly the same equipment (a couple of Mini-ITX boxes) and just changing out the CF cards to switch between them. StarOS won hands down. It wasn't even close. Since then, any expansion has been exclusively StarOS. We still use MT for our main router. I really like their queue system. My dream would be the MT bells and whistles with the StarOS wireless driver. Probably never happen, but if I were MT, I would make a pretty offer to StarOS to license it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
I won't hold you to it mac. As long as your running the latest V3 Star-os on all the radios involved bridging works perfectly. I have a mostly all routed network, but I do have a 4 bridged PtP shots that work just fine. They are the first hops out of my noc to my network, Downtime hasn't happened. Nothing has not worked and no flakey weird issues have cropped up. On PtMP, I have no idea because it's routed. Best price I can find is a star-os or now called Lucaya, wp188 533MHz 4 port router that lonnie sells bundled with 4 23db cards in a weatherproof enclosure with power supply and poe. The price on that board if you pull out the cost of the cards etc is about 120-130.00. He's always running YSYL deals that is extra cheap. And it's 100% FCC certified. I haven't used MT, so I can't compare the two. I can only tell you what we have. George Mac Dearman wrote: Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very super reliable huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you are counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS is not an option. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
I think it's alot easier to deal with Mikrotik as a router wireless AP, due to the interface and ease of configuration. IP addresses, IP routes, bridging, DHCP, DHCP relay...many many things are very easy to configure in the Mikrotik interface. That said...the hardware, and the Atheros wireless driver in StarOS... I'm blown away. Massive throughput seriously low latency. We've configured a pair of WAR4-METROs in a PtP link with a SuperAG (40MHz) channel that has been pulling 70megs aggregate. There was a comment about how expensive the boards are... I don't think they're expensive at all. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I won't hold you to it mac. As long as your running the latest V3 Star-os on all the radios involved bridging works perfectly. I have a mostly all routed network, but I do have a 4 bridged PtP shots that work just fine. They are the first hops out of my noc to my network, Downtime hasn't happened. Nothing has not worked and no flakey weird issues have cropped up. On PtMP, I have no idea because it's routed. Best price I can find is a star-os or now called Lucaya, wp188 533MHz 4 port router that lonnie sells bundled with 4 23db cards in a weatherproof enclosure with power supply and poe. The price on that board if you pull out the cost of the cards etc is about 120-130.00. He's always running YSYL deals that is extra cheap. And it's 100% FCC certified. I haven't used MT, so I can't compare the two. I can only tell you what we have. George Mac Dearman wrote: Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very super reliable huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you are counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS is not an option. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:55 PM Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
