[WISPA] WOW ORLANDO!

[Rick Harnish]

Hey all WISPs

 

The FISPA/WISPA Service Provider Summit has had some great additions this
week.  I really want to drive more WISP attendance this week and next.  I
know a lot of you wait until the last minute to commit to these things.
Well the time has come, it is time to make your plans.

 

*   Motorola signed up to be a Diamond Sponsor today  (hints are that
they will be dropping some news that WISPs may be very interested in as well
as some doorprizes that will highlight this news)
*   Linux Magic has some big news on the future of Email and signed on
as a Gold Sponsor
*   Jack Unger is giving a 3 hour Advanced Wireless Magic Workshop on
Wednesday
*   Ipifony is sponsoring a trivia night at Wednesday's "Meet and Greet"
*   Donny Smith of Jaguar Communications confirmed his Keynote
*   All vendor speaking spots, tables and booths are sold out!
*   I confirmed great menus for Happy Hours, 2 Lunches and Breakfast.
You won't go away hungry!
*   Andrew MacRae from the NTIA confirmed to Demo the National Broadband
Map
*   Carlson Wireless and Adaptrum have received their temporary licenses
to conduct a LIVE TV Whitepace Demo.
*   Dustin Jurman, Corey Potts and Brian Worthen will all be great
keynotes and well worth the trip to come listen too.
*   Don't forget the always valuable ISP-CEO Roundtable.  4-5 hours of
intense networking and discussion with other ISP/WISPs just like yourself.
Learn what works, new ideas and what doesn't work.

 

I want to thank our premium sponsors who really step up and make an event
like this happen.

 

*   Motorola
*   Exalt
*   Dish Network
*   Streakwave
*   CTI
*   Ubiquiti
*   Rini Coran PC
*   Linux Magic
*   Surplus Wireless Gear
*   Redline
*   Ipifony
*   And all of the other 31 exhibitors!

 

There are so many people to thank; I could go on and on.  Let's show our
support and get more WISPs down to Orlando!  I will turn on the Early
Registration Price from now until Sunday.  That is a savings of $40 per
attendee.  You all gotta eat, come to Orlando and do it!

 

Who knows, you may win a great door prize like so many have done in the
past.  My goal for next week is to make the door prize list much longer!  

 

Attend   the Orlando Service
Provider Summit March 23-25

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Executive Director

WISPA

260-307-4000 cell

866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

rharn...@wispa.org

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

[Stuart Pierce]

Back to reality, now you really know what the stimulus money is for, back door 
debt paying.

-- Original Message --
From: RickG 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Sat, 25 Dec 2010 01:20:49 -0500

>Funny but sadly true. And no amount of stimulus can fix that.
>
>On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Chadd Thompson  wrote:
>
>>  Bingo!
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Robert West
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 24, 2010 9:55 PM
>> *To:* 'WISPA General List'
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually, the reality is, all the cash gets spent at Wal-Mart and ends up
>> in China.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *RickG
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 24, 2010 10:52 PM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works
>>
>>
>>
>> #1: The hooker doesnt get to keep the $100 because her pimp took 90% of it.
>> #2: The pimp ends up blowing it on his drug habit.
>> #3: The drug dealer spends it on the hooker, back to the pimp, now we're
>> stuck in a endless loop!
>>
>> Comments:
>> A) The motel owner had no business stealing the $100 from the rich tourist.
>> B) Nobody benefits except the pimp and drug dealer so further down goes the
>> neighborhood and the optimism with it.
>> C) This is a perfect example of what is wrong with debt.
>> D) The ends never justify the means.
>>
>> *If that's how stimulus works, then I want no part of it!
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Chuck Profito 
>> wrote:
>>
>> MDK- just for you.  :-}
>>
>> -Or
>>
>> It is a slow day in the small Minnesota town of Marshall, and the streets
>> are deserted.  Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is
>> living on credit.
>>
>> A rich tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel,
>> lays a $100 bill on the desk and says he wants to inspect the rooms
>> upstairs
>> before selecting one for the night.
>>
>> 1. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs
>> next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
>>
>> 2. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt
>> to
>> the pig farmer.
>>
>> 3. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his
>> supplier, the Farmer's Co-op.
>>
>> 4. The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to
>> the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to
>> offer her "services" on credit.
>>
>> 5. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel
>> owner.
>>
>> 6. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the
>> rich
>> traveler will not suspect anything.
>>
>> At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms
>> are
>> not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves town.
>>
>> No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town
>> is
>> now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more optimism.
>>
>> And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Stimulus works.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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>> --
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>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

[RickG]

Funny but sadly true. And no amount of stimulus can fix that.

On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Chadd Thompson  wrote:

>  Bingo!
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Robert West
> *Sent:* Friday, December 24, 2010 9:55 PM
> *To:* 'WISPA General List'
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works
>
>
>
> Actually, the reality is, all the cash gets spent at Wal-Mart and ends up
> in China.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *RickG
> *Sent:* Friday, December 24, 2010 10:52 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works
>
>
>
> #1: The hooker doesnt get to keep the $100 because her pimp took 90% of it.
> #2: The pimp ends up blowing it on his drug habit.
> #3: The drug dealer spends it on the hooker, back to the pimp, now we're
> stuck in a endless loop!
>
> Comments:
> A) The motel owner had no business stealing the $100 from the rich tourist.
> B) Nobody benefits except the pimp and drug dealer so further down goes the
> neighborhood and the optimism with it.
> C) This is a perfect example of what is wrong with debt.
> D) The ends never justify the means.
>
> *If that's how stimulus works, then I want no part of it!
>
> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Chuck Profito 
> wrote:
>
> MDK- just for you.  :-}
>
> -Or
>
> It is a slow day in the small Minnesota town of Marshall, and the streets
> are deserted.  Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is
> living on credit.
>
> A rich tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel,
> lays a $100 bill on the desk and says he wants to inspect the rooms
> upstairs
> before selecting one for the night.
>
> 1. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs
> next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
>
> 2. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt
> to
> the pig farmer.
>
> 3. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his
> supplier, the Farmer's Co-op.
>
> 4. The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to
> the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to
> offer her "services" on credit.
>
> 5. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel
> owner.
>
> 6. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the
> rich
> traveler will not suspect anything.
>
> At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms
> are
> not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves town.
>
> No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town
> is
> now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more optimism.
>
> And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Stimulus works.
>
>
>
>
> 
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

[Chadd Thompson]

Bingo!

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 9:55 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

 

Actually, the reality is, all the cash gets spent at Wal-Mart and ends up in
China.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 10:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

 

#1: The hooker doesnt get to keep the $100 because her pimp took 90% of it.
#2: The pimp ends up blowing it on his drug habit.
#3: The drug dealer spends it on the hooker, back to the pimp, now we're
stuck in a endless loop!

Comments:
A) The motel owner had no business stealing the $100 from the rich tourist.
B) Nobody benefits except the pimp and drug dealer so further down goes the
neighborhood and the optimism with it.
C) This is a perfect example of what is wrong with debt.
D) The ends never justify the means.

*If that's how stimulus works, then I want no part of it!

On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Chuck Profito 
wrote:

MDK- just for you.  :-}

-Or

It is a slow day in the small Minnesota town of Marshall, and the streets
are deserted.  Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is
living on credit.

A rich tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel,
lays a $100 bill on the desk and says he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs
before selecting one for the night.

1. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs
next door to pay his debt to the butcher.

2. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to
the pig farmer.

3. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his
supplier, the Farmer's Co-op.

4. The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to
the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to
offer her "services" on credit.

5. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel
owner.

6. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the rich
traveler will not suspect anything.

At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are
not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves town.

No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is
now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more optimism.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Stimulus works.





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Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

[Robert West]

Actually, the reality is, all the cash gets spent at Wal-Mart and ends up in
China.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 10:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

 

#1: The hooker doesnt get to keep the $100 because her pimp took 90% of it.
#2: The pimp ends up blowing it on his drug habit.
#3: The drug dealer spends it on the hooker, back to the pimp, now we're
stuck in a endless loop!

Comments:
A) The motel owner had no business stealing the $100 from the rich tourist.
B) Nobody benefits except the pimp and drug dealer so further down goes the
neighborhood and the optimism with it.
C) This is a perfect example of what is wrong with debt.
D) The ends never justify the means.

*If that's how stimulus works, then I want no part of it!



On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Chuck Profito 
wrote:

MDK- just for you.  :-}

-Or

It is a slow day in the small Minnesota town of Marshall, and the streets
are deserted.  Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is
living on credit.

A rich tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel,
lays a $100 bill on the desk and says he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs
before selecting one for the night.

1. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs
next door to pay his debt to the butcher.

2. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to
the pig farmer.

3. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his
supplier, the Farmer's Co-op.

4. The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to
the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to
offer her "services" on credit.

5. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel
owner.

6. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the rich
traveler will not suspect anything.

At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are
not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves town.

No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is
now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more optimism.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Stimulus works.





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Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

[RickG]

 #1: The hooker doesnt get to keep the $100 because her pimp took 90% of it.
#2: The pimp ends up blowing it on his drug habit.
#3: The drug dealer spends it on the hooker, back to the pimp, now we're
stuck in a endless loop!

Comments:
A) The motel owner had no business stealing the $100 from the rich tourist.
B) Nobody benefits except the pimp and drug dealer so further down goes the
neighborhood and the optimism with it.
C) This is a perfect example of what is wrong with debt.
D) The ends never justify the means.

*If that's how stimulus works, then I want no part of it!


On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Chuck Profito wrote:

> MDK- just for you.  :-}
>
> -Or
>
> It is a slow day in the small Minnesota town of Marshall, and the streets
> are deserted.  Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is
> living on credit.
>
> A rich tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel,
> lays a $100 bill on the desk and says he wants to inspect the rooms
> upstairs
> before selecting one for the night.
>
> 1. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs
> next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
>
> 2. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt
> to
> the pig farmer.
>
> 3. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his
> supplier, the Farmer's Co-op.
>
> 4. The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to
> the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to
> offer her "services" on credit.
>
> 5. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel
> owner.
>
> 6. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the
> rich
> traveler will not suspect anything.
>
> At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms
> are
> not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves town.
>
> No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town
> is
> now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more optimism.
>
> And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Stimulus works.
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

[Stuart Pierce]

Ho, Ho, Ho.I think they just pay a little on the bills they owe and save 
some for some spiked egg nog.

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck Profito" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:42:59 -0800

>MDK- just for you.  :-}
>
>-Or
>
>It is a slow day in the small Minnesota town of Marshall, and the streets
>are deserted.  Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is
>living on credit. 
>
>A rich tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel,
>lays a $100 bill on the desk and says he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs
>before selecting one for the night. 
>
>1. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs
>next door to pay his debt to the butcher. 
>
>2. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to
>the pig farmer. 
>
>3. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his
>supplier, the Farmer's Co-op. 
>
>4. The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to
>the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to
>offer her "services" on credit. 
>
>5. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel
>owner. 
>
>6. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the rich
>traveler will not suspect anything. 
>
>At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are
>not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves town. 
>
>No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is
>now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more optimism. 
>
>And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Stimulus works.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

[MDK]

Nice fable :)

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From: "Chuck Profito" 
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 9:42 AM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

> MDK- just for you.  :-}
>
> -Or
>
> It is a slow day in the small Minnesota town of Marshall, and the streets
> are deserted.  Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is
> living on credit.
>
> A rich tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel,
> lays a $100 bill on the desk and says he wants to inspect the rooms 
> upstairs
> before selecting one for the night.
>
> 1. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs
> next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
>
> 2. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt 
> to
> the pig farmer.
>
> 3. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his
> supplier, the Farmer's Co-op.
>
> 4. The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt 
> to
> the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to
> offer her "services" on credit.
>
> 5. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the 
> hotel
> owner.
>
> 6. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the 
> rich
> traveler will not suspect anything.
>
> At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms 
> are
> not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves town.
>
> No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town 
> is
> now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more optimism.
>
> And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Stimulus works.
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

[St. Louis Broadband]

Nice!  LOL.

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

MDK- just for you.  :-}

-Or

It is a slow day in the small Minnesota town of Marshall, and the streets
are deserted.  Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is
living on credit. 

A rich tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel,
lays a $100 bill on the desk and says he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs
before selecting one for the night. 

1. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs
next door to pay his debt to the butcher. 

2. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to
the pig farmer. 

3. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his
supplier, the Farmer's Co-op. 

4. The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to
the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to
offer her "services" on credit. 

5. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel
owner. 

6. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the rich
traveler will not suspect anything. 

At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are
not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves town. 

No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is
now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more optimism. 

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Stimulus works.





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Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

[Forbes Mercy]

I thought the hooker was the stimulus package, she costs you way more 
than it should, it's not ongoing pleasure, and you end up dumping even 
more into it before you walk away saying "I could have used the money 
for something much greater in the scheme of things".  Merry Christmas 
everyone, the things we talk about on Christmas eve. :)

Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc.

On 12/24/2010 9:42 AM, Chuck Profito wrote:
> MDK- just for you.  :-}
>
> -Or
>
> It is a slow day in the small Minnesota town of Marshall, and the streets
> are deserted.  Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is
> living on credit.
>
> A rich tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel,
> lays a $100 bill on the desk and says he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs
> before selecting one for the night.
>
> 1. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs
> next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
>
> 2. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to
> the pig farmer.
>
> 3. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his
> supplier, the Farmer's Co-op.
>
> 4. The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to
> the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to
> offer her "services" on credit.
>
> 5. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel
> owner.
>
> 6. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the rich
> traveler will not suspect anything.
>
> At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are
> not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves town.
>
> No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is
> now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more optimism.
>
> And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Stimulus works.
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

[Chuck Profito]

MDK- just for you.  :-}

-Or

It is a slow day in the small Minnesota town of Marshall, and the streets
are deserted.  Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is
living on credit. 

A rich tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel,
lays a $100 bill on the desk and says he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs
before selecting one for the night. 

1. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs
next door to pay his debt to the butcher. 

2. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to
the pig farmer. 

3. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his
supplier, the Farmer's Co-op. 

4. The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to
the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to
offer her "services" on credit. 

5. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel
owner. 

6. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the rich
traveler will not suspect anything. 

At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are
not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves town. 

No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is
now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more optimism. 

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Stimulus works.




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Re: [WISPA] Wow

[Mike Hammett]

Are you considering a single low cost, high capacity pipe or numerous pipes?

The availability of low cost fiber transport at many locations in a 
network helps with that as the high cost, low capacity wireless 
backhauls become less of an issue.

In the wireless world to do a 6 mile 100 megabit link, it costs $600; to 
do a 300 megabit link, it costs $15k; to do 3 gigabit, it costs $80k.  
Pretty much every 6 miles your costs double.

If for a few hundred a month, you can inject a couple hundred megabit 
(that you purchased elsewhere) anywhere in your network, your end user 
cost goes down.

Within a couple years I'll have low(ish) cost access to fiber transport 
at probably a dozen points in my network.  Not only does this enable 
lower cost per bit for broadband use, but it also means I'll have a 
dozen points where I can launch 50 megabit to 1 gigabit service to a 
customer with no worry about how to get it there.

-
Mike Hammett
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On 12/23/2010 7:01 PM, MDK wrote:
> You know, the thing about this, is that it would probably be GOOD, not bad.
>
> It would eventually result in people noticing that data consumption is a
> little like your water bill...  The more you use, the more it costs.
>
> These people believe that an ISP's connection to you is unlimited...  All
> you can consume, 24/7.   And they base their premise that pricing to pay for
> that kind of use, is what people are paying, and that's not true.   What
> people are paying for, is the average between the users.   Eventually, I see
> people ASKING to not pay the ever growing bill that will be required when
> everyone ( not really, just a significant percentage, like 10 to 30% of
> users) streams the evening news, 5 hours of nightly entertainment movies, tv
> shows, live peer to peer entertainment and transfers, and other such
> bandwidth hungry services.
>
> If I could buy at a carrier hotel, for $1/Mbit, and had no transport costs,
> save my own network,  my pricing structure STILL FAILS at about 4 - 8 times
> the usage that my average customer now consumes and I'm faced with raising
> rates.  And, that customer is using between 8 and 12 times what he did just
> 6 years ago.  IE, it's not that long when the internet bandwidth price just
> may not matter - no matter how cheap it becomes, and that the final mile and
> next to final mile costs will be what drives the price and the way of
> marketing services.
>
> I don't have a great deal on bandwidth, but it's not a BAD deal on
> bandwidth, and honestly, the bandwidth cost, though a significant component
> of the monthly outgo, and I expect it to fall "per meg" over time,  is going
> to be less and less relevant - and the cost of delivering that final and
> next to final mile, along with customer service, is going to be the BIG
> cost.
>
> What's this mean, in 5 years?   I think it means that either certain means
> of offering internet are either going to become a menu of services with a
> price attached to each, or the overall cost to the consumer is going to
> climb so far that people are going to demand "tiered" services so that they,
> themselves, choose consumption levels they are willing to pay for.
>
> I could be all wrong, here, but, hey... It's almost a new year, so I'm
> donning my "prophet" hat and shooting off my mouth.   Let the debates
> commence.
>
>
>
>
>
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
>
> --
> From: "Larry A Weidig"
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 7:30 AM
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Subject: [WISPA] Wow
>
>> Just wanted to pass this along, as I think it summarizes what
>> the general public believes is the entire issue at stake:
>> http://www.theopeninter.net/
>> Yikes!
>>
>> * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
>> * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
>> * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
>> * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Wow

[RickG]

Another item for us to do: Peer, aggregate bandwidth and save money. As you
said, thing like the big guys.

On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

>  .. Correction / Point:-
>   The ISP  Model is built on OverSubcription.. the Telco's 'generate'
> internet traffic or in otherwords 'peer' so their capacity cost is dictated
> by equipment and infrastructure maintenance cost.
>
> The price for anything is arbitrary based on their desired profit level.
>
> @ $100/month the services START becoming profitable, as WISP's & ISP's may
> not have much of Add-on Services to keep increasing that number, the Telco's
> and Cable Co's have plenty of options to raise the monthly tab.
>
> Yes we do have some features that are very much applicable for a 'niche'
> cannot be everything to everyone (e.g. like Cable Co's & TelCo's), and I
> think that is going to hold the key to success for WISP's .
>
> the other option is to look and think beyond.. e.g. make some real /
> serious money so that you can build or pay for infrastructure that one can
> own.. (e.g. wires in the Ground... / CLEC presense @ colo / Fiber Routes /
> Cable Plant etc.etc.)
>
> Regards
> Happy Holidays & Merry Christmas  to all.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>
>
>
> On 12/23/2010 11:53 PM, RickG wrote:
>
>  Frankly, the converse of this is also true... Maybe our services are
>> 'under-priced' to begin with ? We, because of our cut to the bone
>> business model of making little to no profit, choose to sell service at
>> a price that takes a lot of factors into consideration and we may have
>> 'mis-calculated' on the shifting consumer behavior ?
>>
>
>  I've been saying that since 1997 when I was paying $3500 per T1 and I
> bought my first Alott box. The problem is people cant pay for what they use
> and depend on the over-subscription model.
>
>
>> B.  Cost of Communication Services Consumed by folks will go UP. (I say
>> Communication Cost, not Internet Cost.. go back into time, 20 years ago
>> I was spending about $70 on Phone service, $35 on cable Tv... Today, it
>> is something like $35 voip/Home Phone + $50 Internet DSL + $70 Cable Tv
>> Service + $250 Cell Phone + data Plan. Over time this will
>> consolidate, and the Telco's and cable Co's are fighting to keep as big
>> as a share the can off it... Plus there are other pay for services HD /
>> DvR / Special Programing etc etc that can  kick in another $100 / month
>> from the subscribers...
>>
>
>  Can anyone make any money providing all that for $100 or less?
>
>
>> Unfortunately, the WISP's may not have "other addons" to make money from
>>  personally, when ever I do the un-adulterated business math, I keep
>> coming up with conclusions that .. when Gross Revenue from a Subscriber
>> hits south of $50/month, it is very difficult to turn healthy profit..
>> when it starts to approach $100/month, things start looking a lot more
>> reasonable and business like.  This is very much true for the Cable Co's
>> and the Telco's as well.
>>
>
>  We do have one feature - upload bandwidth. I havent marketed it yet but
> with Facebook and such being so popular I hear people grumbling about upload
> speed on their DSL & cable.
>
>>  --
>>
>  -RickG
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Wow

[Faisal Imtiaz]

.. Correction / Point:-
  The ISP  Model is built on OverSubcription.. the Telco's 'generate' 
internet traffic or in otherwords 'peer' so their capacity cost is 
dictated by equipment and infrastructure maintenance cost.


The price for anything is arbitrary based on their desired profit level.

@ $100/month the services START becoming profitable, as WISP's & ISP's 
may not have much of Add-on Services to keep increasing that number, the 
Telco's and Cable Co's have plenty of options to raise the monthly tab.


Yes we do have some features that are very much applicable for a 'niche' 
cannot be everything to everyone (e.g. like Cable Co's & TelCo's), and I 
think that is going to hold the key to success for WISP's .


the other option is to look and think beyond.. e.g. make some real / 
serious money so that you can build or pay for infrastructure that one 
can own.. (e.g. wires in the Ground... / CLEC presense @ colo / Fiber 
Routes / Cable Plant etc.etc.)


Regards
Happy Holidays & Merry Christmas  to all.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom



On 12/23/2010 11:53 PM, RickG wrote:


Frankly, the converse of this is also true... Maybe our services are
'under-priced' to begin with ? We, because of our cut to the bone
business model of making little to no profit, choose to sell
service at
a price that takes a lot of factors into consideration and we may have
'mis-calculated' on the shifting consumer behavior ?


I've been saying that since 1997 when I was paying $3500 per T1 and I 
bought my first Alott box. The problem is people cant pay for what 
they use and depend on the over-subscription model.


B.  Cost of Communication Services Consumed by folks will go UP.
(I say
Communication Cost, not Internet Cost.. go back into time, 20
years ago
I was spending about $70 on Phone service, $35 on cable Tv...
Today, it
is something like $35 voip/Home Phone + $50 Internet DSL + $70
Cable Tv
Service + $250 Cell Phone + data Plan. Over time this will
consolidate, and the Telco's and cable Co's are fighting to keep
as big
as a share the can off it... Plus there are other pay for services
HD /
DvR / Special Programing etc etc that can  kick in another $100 /
month
from the subscribers...


Can anyone make any money providing all that for $100 or less?

Unfortunately, the WISP's may not have "other addons" to make
money from
 personally, when ever I do the un-adulterated business math,
I keep
coming up with conclusions that .. when Gross Revenue from a
Subscriber
hits south of $50/month, it is very difficult to turn healthy profit..
when it starts to approach $100/month, things start looking a lot more
reasonable and business like.  This is very much true for the
Cable Co's
and the Telco's as well.


We do have one feature - upload bandwidth. I havent marketed it yet 
but with Facebook and such being so popular I hear people grumbling 
about upload speed on their DSL & cable.


-- 


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Re: [WISPA] Wow

[RickG]

>
> Frankly, the converse of this is also true... Maybe our services are
> 'under-priced' to begin with ? We, because of our cut to the bone
> business model of making little to no profit, choose to sell service at
> a price that takes a lot of factors into consideration and we may have
> 'mis-calculated' on the shifting consumer behavior ?
>

I've been saying that since 1997 when I was paying $3500 per T1 and I bought
my first Alott box. The problem is people cant pay for what they use and
depend on the over-subscription model.


> B.  Cost of Communication Services Consumed by folks will go UP. (I say
> Communication Cost, not Internet Cost.. go back into time, 20 years ago
> I was spending about $70 on Phone service, $35 on cable Tv... Today, it
> is something like $35 voip/Home Phone + $50 Internet DSL + $70 Cable Tv
> Service + $250 Cell Phone + data Plan. Over time this will
> consolidate, and the Telco's and cable Co's are fighting to keep as big
> as a share the can off it... Plus there are other pay for services HD /
> DvR / Special Programing etc etc that can  kick in another $100 / month
> from the subscribers...
>

Can anyone make any money providing all that for $100 or less?


> Unfortunately, the WISP's may not have "other addons" to make money from
>  personally, when ever I do the un-adulterated business math, I keep
> coming up with conclusions that .. when Gross Revenue from a Subscriber
> hits south of $50/month, it is very difficult to turn healthy profit..
> when it starts to approach $100/month, things start looking a lot more
> reasonable and business like.  This is very much true for the Cable Co's
> and the Telco's as well.
>

We do have one feature - upload bandwidth. I havent marketed it yet but with
Facebook and such being so popular I hear people grumbling about upload
speed on their DSL & cable.

> --
>
-RickG



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Re: [WISPA] Wow

[Faisal Imtiaz]

st, not Internet Cost.. go back into time, 20 years ago 
I was spending about $70 on Phone service, $35 on cable Tv... Today, it 
is something like $35 voip/Home Phone + $50 Internet DSL + $70 Cable Tv 
Service + $250 Cell Phone + data Plan. Over time this will 
consolidate, and the Telco's and cable Co's are fighting to keep as big 
as a share the can off it... Plus there are other pay for services HD / 
DvR / Special Programing etc etc that can  kick in another $100 / month 
from the subscribers...

Unfortunately, the WISP's may not have "other addons" to make money from 
 personally, when ever I do the un-adulterated business math, I keep 
coming up with conclusions that .. when Gross Revenue from a Subscriber 
hits south of $50/month, it is very difficult to turn healthy profit.. 
when it starts to approach $100/month, things start looking a lot more 
reasonable and business like.  This is very much true for the Cable Co's 
and the Telco's as well.
> I could be all wrong, here, but, hey... It's almost a new year, so I'm
> donning my "prophet" hat and shooting off my mouth.   Let the debates
> commence.
>
>
>
>
>
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
>
> --
> From: "Larry A Weidig"
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 7:30 AM
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Subject: [WISPA] Wow
>
>> Just wanted to pass this along, as I think it summarizes what
>> the general public believes is the entire issue at stake:
>> http://www.theopeninter.net/
>> Yikes!
>>
>> * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
>> * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
>> * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
>> * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Wow

[Robert West]

Da.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 8:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
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"give away"?!?!? You mean take away comrade!

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

Hard to be a capitalist AND a socialist at the same time.  So, you are
expected to turn a profit but at the same time give away the store.  Yes?
:)



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Piehn
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wow

As is usual with bad ideas that sound great.  The first assumption is
flawed.  After the first flawed idea, everything else is very logical and
sounds great.

"ISPs provide your internet access.  You can use it as much as you want, for

anything you want."

This ignores the concept of oversubscription.

We pay $450 for 5 mb and sell that same 5 mb for $40.



Scott Piehn


- Original Message -
From: "Larry A Weidig" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:30 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Wow


> Just wanted to pass this along, as I think it summarizes what
> the general public believes is the entire issue at stake:
> http://www.theopeninter.net/
> Yikes!
>
> * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
> * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
> * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
> * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free
>
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Re: [WISPA] Wow

[Josh Luthman]

In Soviet Russia, Internet downloads you!

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On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:03 PM, RickG  wrote:

> "give away"?!?!? You mean take away comrade!
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>
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>> sounds great.
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>> "ISPs provide your internet access.  You can use it as much as you want,
>> for
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>> We pay $450 for 5 mb and sell that same 5 mb for $40.
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Re: [WISPA] Wow

[RickG]

"give away"?!?!? You mean take away comrade!

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Robert West wrote:

> Hard to be a capitalist AND a socialist at the same time.  So, you are
> expected to turn a profit but at the same time give away the store.  Yes?
> :)
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> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:51 PM
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> As is usual with bad ideas that sound great.  The first assumption is
> flawed.  After the first flawed idea, everything else is very logical and
> sounds great.
>
> "ISPs provide your internet access.  You can use it as much as you want,
> for
>
> anything you want."
>
> This ignores the concept of oversubscription.
>
> We pay $450 for 5 mb and sell that same 5 mb for $40.
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> Subject: [WISPA] Wow
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> > http://www.theopeninter.net/
> > Yikes!
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Re: [WISPA] Wow

[MDK]

You know, the thing about this, is that it would probably be GOOD, not bad.

It would eventually result in people noticing that data consumption is a 
little like your water bill...  The more you use, the more it costs.

These people believe that an ISP's connection to you is unlimited...  All 
you can consume, 24/7.   And they base their premise that pricing to pay for 
that kind of use, is what people are paying, and that's not true.   What 
people are paying for, is the average between the users.   Eventually, I see 
people ASKING to not pay the ever growing bill that will be required when 
everyone ( not really, just a significant percentage, like 10 to 30% of 
users) streams the evening news, 5 hours of nightly entertainment movies, tv 
shows, live peer to peer entertainment and transfers, and other such 
bandwidth hungry services.

If I could buy at a carrier hotel, for $1/Mbit, and had no transport costs, 
save my own network,  my pricing structure STILL FAILS at about 4 - 8 times 
the usage that my average customer now consumes and I'm faced with raising 
rates.  And, that customer is using between 8 and 12 times what he did just 
6 years ago.  IE, it's not that long when the internet bandwidth price just 
may not matter - no matter how cheap it becomes, and that the final mile and 
next to final mile costs will be what drives the price and the way of 
marketing services.

I don't have a great deal on bandwidth, but it's not a BAD deal on 
bandwidth, and honestly, the bandwidth cost, though a significant component 
of the monthly outgo, and I expect it to fall "per meg" over time,  is going 
to be less and less relevant - and the cost of delivering that final and 
next to final mile, along with customer service, is going to be the BIG 
cost.

What's this mean, in 5 years?   I think it means that either certain means 
of offering internet are either going to become a menu of services with a 
price attached to each, or the overall cost to the consumer is going to 
climb so far that people are going to demand "tiered" services so that they, 
themselves, choose consumption levels they are willing to pay for.

I could be all wrong, here, but, hey... It's almost a new year, so I'm 
donning my "prophet" hat and shooting off my mouth.   Let the debates 
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> Just wanted to pass this along, as I think it summarizes what
> the general public believes is the entire issue at stake:
> http://www.theopeninter.net/
> Yikes!
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Re: [WISPA] Wow

[Robert West]

Hard to be a capitalist AND a socialist at the same time.  So, you are
expected to turn a profit but at the same time give away the store.  Yes?
:)



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Piehn
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wow

As is usual with bad ideas that sound great.  The first assumption is 
flawed.  After the first flawed idea, everything else is very logical and 
sounds great.

"ISPs provide your internet access.  You can use it as much as you want, for

anything you want."

This ignores the concept of oversubscription.

We pay $450 for 5 mb and sell that same 5 mb for $40.



Scott Piehn


- Original Message - 
From: "Larry A Weidig" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:30 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Wow


> Just wanted to pass this along, as I think it summarizes what
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> http://www.theopeninter.net/
> Yikes!
>
> * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
> * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
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Re: [WISPA] Wow

[Josh Luthman]

The cost is in getting it to them.
On Dec 23, 2010 6:51 PM, "Scott Piehn"  wrote:
> As is usual with bad ideas that sound great. The first assumption is
> flawed. After the first flawed idea, everything else is very logical and
> sounds great.
>
> "ISPs provide your internet access. You can use it as much as you want,
for
> anything you want."
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> This ignores the concept of oversubscription.
>
> We pay $450 for 5 mb and sell that same 5 mb for $40.
>
>
> 
> Scott Piehn
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Larry A Weidig" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:30 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Wow
>
>
>> Just wanted to pass this along, as I think it summarizes what
>> the general public believes is the entire issue at stake:
>> http://www.theopeninter.net/
>> Yikes!
>>
>> * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
>> * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
>> * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
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Re: [WISPA] Wow

[Scott Piehn]

As is usual with bad ideas that sound great.  The first assumption is 
flawed.  After the first flawed idea, everything else is very logical and 
sounds great.

"ISPs provide your internet access.  You can use it as much as you want, for 
anything you want."

This ignores the concept of oversubscription.

We pay $450 for 5 mb and sell that same 5 mb for $40.



Scott Piehn


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Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:30 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Wow


> Just wanted to pass this along, as I think it summarizes what
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> http://www.theopeninter.net/
> Yikes!
>
> * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
> * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
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[WISPA] Wow

[Larry A Weidig]

Just wanted to pass this along, as I think it summarizes what
the general public believes is the entire issue at stake:
http://www.theopeninter.net/
Yikes!

* Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
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Re: [WISPA] wow

[Matt Jenkins]

I have an 18 mile BH link with two motorola reflectors. I added rotopols 
to this link and after realignment lost only 1 db. It is possible that 
further alignment work could remove this loss of db. They work great.

Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
> Just changes polarity.  Allows H pol on reflectors.  We have only tested it 
> on our own reflectors but I can't think why it wouldn't work on others as 
> pictured.  It does move the phase center about a half an inch.  
>   - Original Message - 
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>   Does it also add gain or just change polarity?
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>   Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: 
> This will work.  The user is using a rotopol to convert a canopy to 
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Re: [WISPA] wow

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Just changes polarity.  Allows H pol on reflectors.  We have only tested it on 
our own reflectors but I can't think why it wouldn't work on others as 
pictured.  It does move the phase center about a half an inch.  
  - Original Message - 
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  Does it also add gain or just change polarity?

  Travis

  Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: 
This will work.  The user is using a rotopol to convert a canopy to 
horizontal polarization.

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Re: [WISPA] wow

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Does it also add gain or just change polarity?

Travis

Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:

  This will work.  The user is using a rotopol to convert a canopy to 
horizontal polarization.

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Re: [WISPA] wow

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This will work.  The user is using a rotopol to convert a canopy to 
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Re: [WISPA] wow! Motorola Whitespaces filing

[Dylan Oliver]

link for all filings on NPRM 04-186: *http://tinyurl.com/yswcon*
link for Motorola's summary response to the filings: *
http://tinyurl.com/2fwhtp

*Motorola is a large company with many divisions and many interests - some
of which certainly conflict. Of course, these filings are never filed under
"Motorola - Canopy Division", so someone - probably the authors listed below
- has to decide where "Motorola" should stand.

Perhaps WISPA could meet with the authors of Motorola's filing to find
common ground and better understand where they're going:

Steve B. Sharkey Director, Spectrum and Standards Strategy
Robert D. Kubik Director, Telecom Relations Global

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RE: [WISPA] wow! Motorola Whitespaces filing

[Gino Villarini]

Actually, a razor phone cost more or less the same as a Canopy CPE

Gino A. Villarini
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] wow! Motorola Whitespaces filing

Marlon, it's about business,
Moto saw money to be made, as they have done with their "canopy 
systems". How much for a razor ph. and how much for a canopy cpe??

You have a Good Day now,


Carl A Jeptha
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Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> I don't agree with all of it.  But the main issues are in agreement 
> with what most wisps will want.
>
> Pushing for unlicensed vs. licensed is a big leap in our direction for

> Moto.
>
> laters,
> marlon
>
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Re: [WISPA] wow! Motorola Whitespaces filing

[Carl A jeptha]

Marlon, it's about business,
Moto saw money to be made, as they have done with their "canopy 
systems". How much for a razor ph. and how much for a canopy cpe??


You have a Good Day now,


Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
Office Phone: 905 349-2084
Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm
skype cajeptha



Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
I don't agree with all of it.  But the main issues are in agreement 
with what most wisps will want.


Pushing for unlicensed vs. licensed is a big leap in our direction for 
Moto.


laters,
marlon


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[WISPA] wow! Motorola Whitespaces filing

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I don't agree with all of it.  But the main issues are in agreement with 
what most wisps will want.


Pushing for unlicensed vs. licensed is a big leap in our direction for Moto.

laters,
marlon

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