[WISPA] backhaul choices
Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Can you point us to your fcc certified 5.4 systems? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: > A MT distributor has to go though the entire process to build and sell a > FCC certified System,.. > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:18 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, > or just based on the existing certification of the card? > > Randy > > > Dennis Burgess wrote: > >> We have done plenty of them. :) >> >> --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> WISPA Vendor Member >> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> > On > >> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I >> noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. >> >> >> Dennis Burgess wrote: >> >> >>> MT is FCC Certified :) >>> >>> --- >>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> WISPA Vendor Member >>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> >>> >> On >> >> >>> Behalf Of ralph >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Marlon- >>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say >>> >>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified >>> Mikrotik- Not so much >>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. >>> >>> >>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to >>> work >>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside. >>> >>> Ralph >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> >>> >> On >> >> >>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >>> others >>> >>> are using. >>> >>> I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of >>> >>> >> the >> >> >>> most >>> >>> reliable gear that I've ever used. >>> >>> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it >>> >>> >> in >> >> >>> over the last year or so. >>> >>> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to >>> >>> >> the >> >> >>> outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. >>> >>> It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do >>> >>> >> the >> >> >>> same job is about 20% of the
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
http://store.jeffcosoho.com, I don't know if the 5.4 is on there. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Can you point us to your fcc certified 5.4 systems? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: > A MT distributor has to go though the entire process to build and sell a > FCC certified System,.. > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:18 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, > or just based on the existing certification of the card? > > Randy > > > Dennis Burgess wrote: > >> We have done plenty of them. :) >> >> --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> WISPA Vendor Member >> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> > On > >> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I >> noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. >> >> >> Dennis Burgess wrote: >> >> >>> MT is FCC Certified :) >>> >>> --- >>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> WISPA Vendor Member >>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> >>> >> On >> >> >>> Behalf Of ralph >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Marlon- >>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say >>> >>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified >>> Mikrotik- Not so much >>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. >>> >>> >>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to >>> work >>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside. >>> >>> Ralph >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> >>> >> On >> >> >>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >>> others >>> >>> are using. >>> >>> I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of >>> >>> >> the >> >> >>> most >>> >>&
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it does meet the FCC requirements. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Randy Cosby Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, or just based on the existing certification of the card? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: > We have done plenty of them. :) > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I > noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. > > > Dennis Burgess wrote: > >> MT is FCC Certified :) >> >> --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> WISPA Vendor Member >> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> > On > >> Behalf Of ralph >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Marlon- >> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say >> >> Airaya and others: FCC Certified >> Mikrotik- Not so much >> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. >> >> >> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to >> work >> fine for us, just don't mount it outside. >> >> Ralph >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> > On > >> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >> others >> >> are using. >> >> I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of >> > the > >> most >> >> reliable gear that I've ever used. >> >> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it >> > in > >> over the last year or so. >> >> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to >> > the > >> outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. >> >> It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do >> > the > >> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go >> > too > >> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you >> > guys > >> using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, >> all I >> need to replace is the indoor ratios. >> >> Why would you install what you put in? >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> > > >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >>
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
We have done plenty of them. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. Dennis Burgess wrote: > MT is FCC Certified :) > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of ralph > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Marlon- > You asked, and you probably already know what I will say > > Airaya and others: FCC Certified > Mikrotik- Not so much > It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. > > > If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to > work > fine for us, just don't mount it outside. > > Ralph > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Hi All, > > I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what > others > > are using. > > I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the > most > > reliable gear that I've ever used. > > I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in > > over the last year or so. > > Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the > > outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. > > It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the > > same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too > > cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys > using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, > all I > need to replace is the indoor ratios. > > Why would you install what you put in? > > laters, > marlon > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. Dennis Burgess wrote: > MT is FCC Certified :) > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of ralph > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Marlon- > You asked, and you probably already know what I will say > > Airaya and others: FCC Certified > Mikrotik- Not so much > It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. > > > If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to > work > fine for us, just don't mount it outside. > > Ralph > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Hi All, > > I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what > others > > are using. > > I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the > most > > reliable gear that I've ever used. > > I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in > > over the last year or so. > > Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the > > outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. > > It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the > > same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too > > cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys > using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, > all I > need to replace is the indoor ratios. > > Why would you install what you put in? > > laters, > marlon > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Does this mean we can use 5.4Ghz with MT? -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices A MT distributor has to go though the entire process to build and sell a FCC certified System,.. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, or just based on the existing certification of the card? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: > We have done plenty of them. :) > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I > noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. > > > Dennis Burgess wrote: > >> MT is FCC Certified :) >> >> --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> WISPA Vendor Member >> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> > On > >> Behalf Of ralph >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Marlon- >> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say >> >> Airaya and others: FCC Certified >> Mikrotik- Not so much >> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. >> >> >> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to >> work >> fine for us, just don't mount it outside. >> >> Ralph >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> > On > >> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >> others >> >> are using. >> >> I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of >> > the > >> most >> >> reliable gear that I've ever used. >> >> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it >> > in > >> over the last year or so. >> >> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to >> > the > >> outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. >> >> It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do >> > the > >> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go >> > too > >> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you >> > guys > >> using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, >> all I >> need to replace is the indoor ratios. >> >> Why would you install what you put in? >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >>
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, or just based on the existing certification of the card? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: > We have done plenty of them. :) > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I > noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. > > > Dennis Burgess wrote: > >> MT is FCC Certified :) >> >> --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> WISPA Vendor Member >> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> > On > >> Behalf Of ralph >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Marlon- >> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say >> >> Airaya and others: FCC Certified >> Mikrotik- Not so much >> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. >> >> >> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to >> work >> fine for us, just don't mount it outside. >> >> Ralph >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> > On > >> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >> others >> >> are using. >> >> I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of >> > the > >> most >> >> reliable gear that I've ever used. >> >> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it >> > in > >> over the last year or so. >> >> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to >> > the > >> outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. >> >> It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do >> > the > >> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go >> > too > >> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you >> > guys > >> using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, >> all I >> need to replace is the indoor ratios. >> >> Why would you install what you put in? >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> > > >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> > > >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
A MT distributor has to go though the entire process to build and sell a FCC certified System,.. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, or just based on the existing certification of the card? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: > We have done plenty of them. :) > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I > noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. > > > Dennis Burgess wrote: > >> MT is FCC Certified :) >> >> --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> WISPA Vendor Member >> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> > On > >> Behalf Of ralph >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Marlon- >> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say >> >> Airaya and others: FCC Certified >> Mikrotik- Not so much >> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. >> >> >> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to >> work >> fine for us, just don't mount it outside. >> >> Ralph >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> > On > >> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >> others >> >> are using. >> >> I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of >> > the > >> most >> >> reliable gear that I've ever used. >> >> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it >> > in > >> over the last year or so. >> >> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to >> > the > >> outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. >> >> It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do >> > the > >> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go >> > too > >> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you >> > guys > >> using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, >> all I >> need to replace is the indoor ratios. >> >> Why would you install what you put in? >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> > > >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
I like the Radwin 2000 links (especially because of their price) for unlicensed... although Orthogon still has a warm spot in my heart (although they are more expensive) For licensed... I only choose Dragonwave... Hard to beat the price of a Mikrotik setup... but there are also a lot of advantages to going towards something else Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >Hi All, > >I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >others >are using. > >I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the >most >reliable gear that I've ever used. > >I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in >over the last year or so. > >Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the >outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. > >It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the >same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too >cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys >using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, >all I >need to replace is the indoor ratios. > >Why would you install what you put in? > >laters, >marlon > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
And I should point out... the Radwin Radios are quad band out of the box (2.4GHz, 5.2GHz, 5.4GHz, 5.8GHz) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of 3-dB Networks >Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:08 AM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >I like the Radwin 2000 links (especially because of their price) for >unlicensed... although Orthogon still has a warm spot in my heart >(although >they are more expensive) > >For licensed... I only choose Dragonwave... > >Hard to beat the price of a Mikrotik setup... but there are also a lot >of >advantages to going towards something else > >Daniel White >3-dB Networks >http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > >>-Original Message- >>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM >>To: WISPA General List >>Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >>Hi All, >> >>I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >>others >>are using. >> >>I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the >>most >>reliable gear that I've ever used. >> >>I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it >in >>over the last year or so. >> >>Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to >the >>outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. >> >>It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do >the >>same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go >too >>cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys >>using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, >>all I >>need to replace is the indoor ratios. >> >>Why would you install what you put in? >> >>laters, >>marlon >> >> >> >>--- >- >> >>WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>http://signup.wispa.org/ >>--- >- >> >> >>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
That's what I thought. Anyone know anything different? Jeffscosoho's site is lacking in detail. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: > With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it does > meet the FCC requirements. > > /Eje > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: Randy Cosby > > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > > Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, > or just based on the existing certification of the card? > > Randy > > > Dennis Burgess wrote: > >> We have done plenty of them. :) >> >> --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> WISPA Vendor Member >> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I >> noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. >> >> >> Dennis Burgess wrote: >> >> >>> MT is FCC Certified :) >>> >>> --- >>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> WISPA Vendor Member >>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> >>> >> On >> >> >>> Behalf Of ralph >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Marlon- >>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say >>> >>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified >>> Mikrotik- Not so much >>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. >>> >>> >>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to >>> work >>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside. >>> >>> Ralph >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> >>> >> On >> >> >>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >>> others >>> >>> are using. >>> >>> I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of >>> >>> >> the >> >> >>> most >>> >>> reliable gear that I've ever used. >>> >>> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it >>> >>> >> in >> >> >>> over the last year or so. >>> >>> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to >>> >>> >> the >> >> >>> outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. >>> >>> It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do >>> >>> >> the >> >> >>> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go >>> >>> >> too >> >> >>> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you >>> >>> >> guys >> >> >>> using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, >>> all I >&
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
I will second the Radwin. Its a good chooce for the price Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "3-dB Networks" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:07:51 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices I like the Radwin 2000 links (especially because of their price) for unlicensed... although Orthogon still has a warm spot in my heart (although they are more expensive) For licensed... I only choose Dragonwave... Hard to beat the price of a Mikrotik setup... but there are also a lot of advantages to going towards something else Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >Hi All, > >I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >others >are using. > >I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the >most >reliable gear that I've ever used. > >I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in >over the last year or so. > >Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the >outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. > >It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the >same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too >cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys >using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, >all I >need to replace is the indoor ratios. > >Why would you install what you put in? > >laters, >marlon > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Can someone add the Radwin along with street pricing to the microwave backhaul wiki? http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: > I will second the Radwin. Its a good chooce for the price > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: "3-dB Networks" > > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:07:51 > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > > I like the Radwin 2000 links (especially because of their price) for > unlicensed... although Orthogon still has a warm spot in my heart (although > they are more expensive) > > For licensed... I only choose Dragonwave... > > Hard to beat the price of a Mikrotik setup... but there are also a lot of > advantages to going towards something else > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >> others >> are using. >> >> I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the >> most >> reliable gear that I've ever used. >> >> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in >> over the last year or so. >> >> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the >> outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. >> >> It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the >> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too >> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys >> using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, >> all I >> need to replace is the indoor ratios. >> >> Why would you install what you put in? >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Looks like we were going with MSRP, not street prices. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Patrick Shoemaker < shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com> wrote: > Can someone add the Radwin along with street pricing to the microwave > backhaul wiki? > > http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart > > > Patrick Shoemaker > Vector Data Systems LLC > shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com > office: (301) 358-1690 x36 > http://www.vectordatasystems.com > > > lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: > > I will second the Radwin. Its a good chooce for the price > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > -Original Message- > > From: "3-dB Networks" > > > > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:07:51 > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > > > > > I like the Radwin 2000 links (especially because of their price) for > > unlicensed... although Orthogon still has a warm spot in my heart > (although > > they are more expensive) > > > > For licensed... I only choose Dragonwave... > > > > Hard to beat the price of a Mikrotik setup... but there are also a lot of > > advantages to going towards something else > > > > Daniel White > > 3-dB Networks > > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > > > > >> -----Original Message- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what > >> others > >> are using. > >> > >> I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the > >> most > >> reliable gear that I've ever used. > >> > >> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in > >> over the last year or so. > >> > >> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the > >> outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. > >> > >> It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the > >> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too > >> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys > >> using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, > >> all I > >> need to replace is the indoor ratios. > >> > >> Why would you install what you put in? > >> > >> laters, > >> marlon > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > >> > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
There is DFS2 information in there. You would need to verify that the N card is certified in the 5.4 band. Don't know on that. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:38 AM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices That's what I thought. Anyone know anything different? Jeffscosoho's site is lacking in detail. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: > With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it does meet the FCC requirements. > > /Eje > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: Randy Cosby > > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > > Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, > or just based on the existing certification of the card? > > Randy > > > Dennis Burgess wrote: > >> We have done plenty of them. :) >> >> --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> WISPA Vendor Member >> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I >> noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. >> >> >> Dennis Burgess wrote: >> >> >>> MT is FCC Certified :) >>> >>> --- >>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> WISPA Vendor Member >>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> >>> >> On >> >> >>> Behalf Of ralph >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Marlon- >>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say >>> >>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified >>> Mikrotik- Not so much >>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. >>> >>> >>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to >>> work >>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside. >>> >>> Ralph >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> >>> >> On >> >> >>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >>> others >>> >>> are using. >>> >>> I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of >>> >>> >> the >> >> >>> most >>> >>> reliable gear that I've ever used. >>> >>> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it >>> >>> >> in >> >> >>> over the last year or so. >>> >>> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to >>> >>>
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
To be fair, in backhaul list We should include. Trango Tlink45 - 45mbps $2000 Bridgewave LTE60 - 60Ghz 100mb FDX - $8000 street (not sure MSR) As well... From my understanding SnapLink is priced per Side, not per link. I thought it was $6000 x2 = $12000 per link. As well, I thought the $6k per side was for the 40mbps model, not the 160. Although it has been a while, so maybe pricing has changed. If someone bought it for the Wiki listed price per link, please tell me where. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > There is DFS2 information in there. You would need to verify that the N > card is certified in the 5.4 band. Don't know on that. > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:38 AM > To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > That's what I thought. Anyone know anything different? > > Jeffscosoho's site is lacking in detail. > > > > e...@wisp-router.com wrote: >> With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it > does meet the FCC requirements. >> >> /Eje >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Randy Cosby >> >> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> >> Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / > TPC, >> or just based on the existing certification of the card? >> >> Randy >> >> >> Dennis Burgess wrote: >> >>> We have done plenty of them. :) >>> >>> --- >>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> WISPA Vendor Member >>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On >>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I >>> noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. >>> >>> >>> Dennis Burgess wrote: >>> >>> >>>> MT is FCC Certified :) >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>>> WISPA Vendor Member >>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>> >>>> >>> On >>> >>> >>>> Behalf Of ralph >>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>>> >>>> Marlon- >>>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say >>>> >>>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified >>>> Mikrotik- Not so much >>>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. >>>> >>>> >>>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to >>>> work >>>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside. >>>> >>>> Ralph &
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Snaplink is roughly $8795 MSRP per link, 160Mbps half duplex, 24GHz. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices To be fair, in backhaul list We should include. Trango Tlink45 - 45mbps $2000 Bridgewave LTE60 - 60Ghz 100mb FDX - $8000 street (not sure MSR) As well... From my understanding SnapLink is priced per Side, not per link. I thought it was $6000 x2 = $12000 per link. As well, I thought the $6k per side was for the 40mbps model, not the 160. Although it has been a while, so maybe pricing has changed. If someone bought it for the Wiki listed price per link, please tell me where. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > There is DFS2 information in there. You would need to verify that the N > card is certified in the 5.4 band. Don't know on that. > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:38 AM > To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > That's what I thought. Anyone know anything different? > > Jeffscosoho's site is lacking in detail. > > > > e...@wisp-router.com wrote: >> With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it > does meet the FCC requirements. >> >> /Eje >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Randy Cosby >> >> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> >> Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / > TPC, >> or just based on the existing certification of the card? >> >> Randy >> >> >> Dennis Burgess wrote: >> >>> We have done plenty of them. :) >>> >>> --- >>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> WISPA Vendor Member >>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On >>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I >>> noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. >>> >>> >>> Dennis Burgess wrote: >>> >>> >>>> MT is FCC Certified :) >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>>> WISPA Vendor Member >>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>> >>>> >>> On >>> >>> >>>> Behalf Of ralph >>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>>> >>>> Marlon- >>>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say >>>> >>>> Air
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Not to double email, I thought I would also say that the 40Mbps SNaplink is $6995 MSRP. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices To be fair, in backhaul list We should include. Trango Tlink45 - 45mbps $2000 Bridgewave LTE60 - 60Ghz 100mb FDX - $8000 street (not sure MSR) As well... From my understanding SnapLink is priced per Side, not per link. I thought it was $6000 x2 = $12000 per link. As well, I thought the $6k per side was for the 40mbps model, not the 160. Although it has been a while, so maybe pricing has changed. If someone bought it for the Wiki listed price per link, please tell me where. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > There is DFS2 information in there. You would need to verify that the N > card is certified in the 5.4 band. Don't know on that. > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:38 AM > To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > That's what I thought. Anyone know anything different? > > Jeffscosoho's site is lacking in detail. > > > > e...@wisp-router.com wrote: >> With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it > does meet the FCC requirements. >> >> /Eje >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Randy Cosby >> >> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> >> Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / > TPC, >> or just based on the existing certification of the card? >> >> Randy >> >> >> Dennis Burgess wrote: >> >>> We have done plenty of them. :) >>> >>> --- >>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> WISPA Vendor Member >>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On >>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I >>> noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. >>> >>> >>> Dennis Burgess wrote: >>> >>> >>>> MT is FCC Certified :) >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>>> WISPA Vendor Member >>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>> >>>> >>> On >>> >>> >>>> Behalf Of ralph >>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>>> >>>> Marlon- >>>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say >>>&g
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are, that does not an FCC certified system make. Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something like the RB/card/enclosure combination. Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for *that system*. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
As a MT Distributor, MT contacts us from time to time to have their systems FCC tested with various different antennas. I for one know that we have shipped ARC Wireless 2.4 19dB and ARC 2.4 15dB and ARC 5GHz 23dB antennas for CPEs, and MANY MANY Pac Wireless Antennas to their FCC certification labs. I don't have the certification numbers etc, but we were provided with the FCC Cert stickers for those antenna combinations. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are, that does not an FCC certified system make. Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something like the RB/card/enclosure combination. Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for *that system*. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Which would mean that "MT is FCC certified". The box would be running MT, regardless of the card, box, antenna, etc. Travis Microserv ralph wrote: > Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" > Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are, > that does not an FCC certified system make. > Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something > like the RB/card/enclosure combination. > Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for > *that system*. > > Thanks > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Dennis Burgess > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > MT is FCC Certified :) > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of ralph > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Marlon- > You asked, and you probably already know what I will say > > Airaya and others: FCC Certified > Mikrotik- Not so much > It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. > > > If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to > work > fine for us, just don't mount it outside. > > Ralph > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Hi All, > > I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what > others > > are using. > > I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the > most > > reliable gear that I've ever used. > > I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in > > over the last year or so. > > Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the > > outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. > > It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the > > same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too > > cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys > using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, > all I > need to replace is the indoor ratios. > > Why would you install what you put in? > > laters, > marlon > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Go to: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm Put in Mikrotik for the applicant name. You will see their modular approval listed for their various products. R52, R52-350 (R52H),R2N, R52N, RB/411AR, R5H, etc. To get more into detail about the antennas, you will need to look at all the exhibits listed to find the different antenna models. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices As a MT Distributor, MT contacts us from time to time to have their systems FCC tested with various different antennas. I for one know that we have shipped ARC Wireless 2.4 19dB and ARC 2.4 15dB and ARC 5GHz 23dB antennas for CPEs, and MANY MANY Pac Wireless Antennas to their FCC certification labs. I don't have the certification numbers etc, but we were provided with the FCC Cert stickers for those antenna combinations. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are, that does not an FCC certified system make. Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something like the RB/card/enclosure combination. Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for *that system*. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Once again the host board does not need to be more the part B certified which is a self certified process (documentation is on routerboard.com). TVS-R52 is certified with routerboard and a slew high gain antennas. Every time I hear this argument about system certified as complete system I just want to scream. Just turn your own laptop over take the FCC id of the radio card in your laptop and go look it up and you will see it is almost guaranteed NOT certified with the same model it is now sitting in. Proof enough for you that you do not need this supposed complete system certification or maybe it's time to turn in HP, Dell, gateway, Appel et al for selling non certified solutions by the millions each year. This could be billions for FCC in fines if it was the case but it is not so they created the part B certification process years back to allow for rapid growth in the computer industry. Only the tranciever and the antenna components need certified together. The FCC cert lab we used also said the same and basically would do the testing of the cards we personally certified with high gain antennas with each system board we wanted to use because it wasn't needed. Also they only required us to certify with the highest gain of each family we wanted certified and each antenna of same performance and characteristics of same or lower gain in the same family would be covered if "we" the certification owners said it was equal. So we could if we wanted sell a 9dB omni as a certified antenna if we had passed with a 12dB it would be. Also if we wanted to change from one brand 12dB omni the WE who own the certification could do this substitute but all others that was users could ONLY use the omni models WE would "permit" as certified. So there is no end user substitute but the certification "owner" can as long that the antenna selected is NOT of a higher gain and we can "prove" that it's a equal antenna. So certified with a plain 12dB omni we couldn't change to a active 12dB omni similarity or certify a 19dB panel and substitute for a 19dB grid dish. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "ralph" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:00:20 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are, that does not an FCC certified system make. Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something like the RB/card/enclosure combination. Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for *that system*. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in?
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
That's the only way you can get it. It must be built by a MT distributor, along with the FCC stickers put on it etc and sold as a completed FCC Certified System. Can't build it yourself. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are, that does not an FCC certified system make. Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something like the RB/card/enclosure combination. Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for *that system*. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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While it holds true that you may not be able to get the stickers, this statement is not true. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices That's the only way you can get it. It must be built by a MT distributor, along with the FCC stickers put on it etc and sold as a completed FCC Certified System. Can't build it yourself. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are, that does not an FCC certified system make. Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something like the RB/card/enclosure combination. Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for *that system*. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Excuse my ignorance but since the card is the only thing that transmits why does the board and especially why does the enclosure need to be certified? If one puts a two way radio in a car the radio needs to be certified, not the whole car. Greg On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:30 PM, ralph wrote: > Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" > Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if > they are, > that does not an FCC certified system make. > Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. > Something > like the RB/card/enclosure combination. > Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number > for > *that system*. > > Thanks > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Dennis Burgess > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > MT is FCC Certified :) > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of ralph > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Marlon- > You asked, and you probably already know what I will say > > Airaya and others: FCC Certified > Mikrotik- Not so much > It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. > > > If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to > work > fine for us, just don't mount it outside. > > Ralph > > -Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Hi All, > > I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what > others > > are using. > > I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of > the > most > > reliable gear that I've ever used. > > I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of > it in > > over the last year or so. > > Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to > the > > outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. > > It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do > the > > same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go > too > > cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you > guys > using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, > all I > need to replace is the indoor ratios. > > Why would you install what you put in? > > laters, > marlon > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
That's been the ongoing argument. I use the analogy of a PCMCIA or USB card. that's the device that is FCC certified - the computer (routerboard) just runs it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Excuse my ignorance but since the card is the only thing that transmits why does the board and especially why does the enclosure need to be certified? If one puts a two way radio in a car the radio needs to be certified, not the whole car. Greg On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:30 PM, ralph wrote: > Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" > Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if > they are, > that does not an FCC certified system make. > Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. > Something > like the RB/card/enclosure combination. > Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number > for > *that system*. > > Thanks > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Dennis Burgess > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > MT is FCC Certified :) > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of ralph > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Marlon- > You asked, and you probably already know what I will say > > Airaya and others: FCC Certified > Mikrotik- Not so much > It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. > > > If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to > work > fine for us, just don't mount it outside. > > Ralph > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Hi All, > > I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what > others > > are using. > > I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of > the > most > > reliable gear that I've ever used. > > I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of > it in > > over the last year or so. > > Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to > the > > outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. > > It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do > the > > same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go > too > > cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you > guys > using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, > all I > need to replace is the indoor ratios. > > Why would you install what you put in? > > laters, > marlon > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
The way I understand it, the routerboard don't matter, the antenna, and radio matters, as its certified as a system, with xx gain of this type of antenna. You also have to have the FCC information, etc, on the outside that MT offers to only its distributors. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices That's been the ongoing argument. I use the analogy of a PCMCIA or USB card. that's the device that is FCC certified - the computer (routerboard) just runs it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Excuse my ignorance but since the card is the only thing that transmits why does the board and especially why does the enclosure need to be certified? If one puts a two way radio in a car the radio needs to be certified, not the whole car. Greg On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:30 PM, ralph wrote: > Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" > Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if > they are, > that does not an FCC certified system make. > Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. > Something > like the RB/card/enclosure combination. > Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number > for > *that system*. > > Thanks > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Dennis Burgess > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > MT is FCC Certified :) > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of ralph > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Marlon- > You asked, and you probably already know what I will say > > Airaya and others: FCC Certified > Mikrotik- Not so much > It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. > > > If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to > work > fine for us, just don't mount it outside. > > Ralph > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Hi All, > > I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what > others > > are using. > > I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of > the > most > > reliable gear that I've ever used. > > I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of > it in > > over the last year or so. > > Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to > the > > outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. > > It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do > the > > same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go > too > > cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you > guys > using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, > all I > need to replace is the indoor ratios. > > Why would you install what you put in? > > laters, > marlon > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > W
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
I think everyone here has agreed to disagree on that subject. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:53 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > Excuse my ignorance but since the card is the only thing that > transmits why does the board and especially why does the enclosure > need to be certified? If one puts a two way radio in a car the radio > needs to be certified, not the whole car. > > Greg > On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:30 PM, ralph wrote: > >> Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" >> Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if >> they are, >> that does not an FCC certified system make. >> Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. >> Something >> like the RB/card/enclosure combination. >> Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number >> for >> *that system*. >> >> Thanks >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> MT is FCC Certified :) >> >> --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> WISPA Vendor Member >> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of ralph >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Marlon- >> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say >> >> Airaya and others: FCC Certified >> Mikrotik- Not so much >> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. >> >> >> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to >> work >> fine for us, just don't mount it outside. >> >> Ralph >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >> others >> >> are using. >> >> I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of >> the >> most >> >> reliable gear that I've ever used. >> >> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of >> it in >> >> over the last year or so. >> >> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to >> the >> >> outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. >> >> It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do >> the >> >> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go >> too >> >> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you >> guys >> using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, >> all I >> need to replace is the indoor ratios. >> >> Why would you install what you put in? >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> ---
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The way I understand it (and I was told this comes from an FCC field officer) is that the FCC ID of the radio device (Ubie/MT/other card) needs to be visible on the case (for the purposes of easy identification so they don't need to rip it off the pole and open it up). The antenna used needs to be of same type/gain as the antenna the radio was certified with. As long as you meet these requirements you are in compliance. This is third party information and was not said directly to me however I trust the source. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices The way I understand it, the routerboard don't matter, the antenna, and radio matters, as its certified as a system, with xx gain of this type of antenna. You also have to have the FCC information, etc, on the outside that MT offers to only its distributors. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices That's been the ongoing argument. I use the analogy of a PCMCIA or USB card. that's the device that is FCC certified - the computer (routerboard) just runs it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Excuse my ignorance but since the card is the only thing that transmits why does the board and especially why does the enclosure need to be certified? If one puts a two way radio in a car the radio needs to be certified, not the whole car. Greg On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:30 PM, ralph wrote: > Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" > Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if > they are, > that does not an FCC certified system make. > Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. > Something > like the RB/card/enclosure combination. > Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number > for > *that system*. > > Thanks > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Dennis Burgess > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > MT is FCC Certified :) > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of ralph > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Marlon- > You asked, and you probably already know what I will say > > Airaya and others: FCC Certified > Mikrotik- Not so much > It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. > > > If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to > work > fine for us, just don't mount it outside. > > Ralph > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Hi All, > > I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what > others > > are using. > > I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of > the > most > > reliable gear that I've ever used. > > I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of > it in > > over the last year or so. > > Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to > the > > outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. > > It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do > the > > same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go > too > > cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you > guys > using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, > all I > ne
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Title: Thank You, I think the point about certification was specifically asked regarding the 5.4 version and having been approved for DFS. Thank You, Brian Webster Jerry Richardson wrote: That's been the ongoing argument. I use the analogy of a PCMCIA or USB card. that's the device that is FCC certified - the computer (routerboard) just runs it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Excuse my ignorance but since the card is the only thing that transmits why does the board and especially why does the enclosure need to be certified? If one puts a two way radio in a car the radio needs to be certified, not the whole car. Greg On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:30 PM, ralph wrote: Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are, that does not an FCC certified system make. Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something like the RB/card/enclosure combination. Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for *that system*. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireles
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Usually USB and PCMCIA devices has an emmbeded antenna that it was certified with the radio as a whole system., independant of the host You need to make sure the antenna you are using with the radio is FCC certified Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Sep 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM, "Brian Webster" wrote: > I think the point about certification was specifically asked > regarding the 5.4 version and having been approved for DFS. > > > Thank You, > Brian Webster > > > Jerry Richardson wrote: >> >> That's been the ongoing argument. >> >> I use the analogy of a PCMCIA or USB card. that's the device that >> is FCC certified - the computer (routerboard) just runs it. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >> boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com >> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:53 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Excuse my ignorance but since the card is the only thing that >> transmits why does the board and especially why does the enclosure >> need to be certified? If one puts a two way radio in a car the radio >> needs to be certified, not the whole car. >> >> Greg >> On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:30 PM, ralph wrote: >> >> >>> Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" >>> Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if >>> they are, >>> that does not an FCC certified system make. >>> Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. >>> Something >>> like the RB/card/enclosure combination. >>> Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number >>> for >>> *that system*. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> MT is FCC Certified :) >>> >>> --- >>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> WISPA Vendor Member >>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of ralph >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Marlon- >>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say >>> >>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified >>> Mikrotik- Not so much >>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. >>> >>> >>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to >>> work >>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside. >>> >>> Ralph >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering >>> what >>> others >>> >>> are using. >>> >>> I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of >>> the >>> most >>> >>> reliable gear that I've ever used. >>> >>> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of >>> it in >>> >>> over the last year or so. >>> >>> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to >>> the >>> >>> outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. >>> >>> It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do >>> the >>> >>> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go >>>
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Thank You,Which is a very relevent question for two reasons... 1) Because, FCC is much more serious about enforcing DFS certification in the 5.4 band, since it can cause real harm to pre-existing 5.4G incumbands if DFS does not work propery, compared to certification issues that are meaningless technicalities but really have to negative side effect if the sticker isn't there. 2) There was one point where some had stated Atheros chips never could trully be certified or MT not trully certified because of the method it uses to do it. I remember responses from teh manufacturer that stated otherwise, and it was possible to comply. That discussion ended up fading away. It would be interesting to learn whether there has been progress in some Atheros Chipsets able to pass true DFS2 certiciation lab tests. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Webster To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices I think the point about certification was specifically asked regarding the 5.4 version and having been approved for DFS. Thank You, Brian Webster Jerry Richardson wrote: That's been the ongoing argument. I use the analogy of a PCMCIA or USB card. that's the device that is FCC certified - the computer (routerboard) just runs it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Excuse my ignorance but since the card is the only thing that transmits why does the board and especially why does the enclosure need to be certified? If one puts a two way radio in a car the radio needs to be certified, not the whole car. Greg On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:30 PM, ralph wrote: Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are, that does not an FCC certified system make. Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something like the RB/card/enclosure combination. Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for *that system*. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://l
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I agree. The (ongoing) debate seems to have many facets. Regarding 5.2/5.4 if there is no DFS the device is not only non-compliant but likely to attract black helicopters. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices I think the point about certification was specifically asked regarding the 5.4 version and having been approved for DFS. Thank You, Brian Webster Jerry Richardson wrote: That's been the ongoing argument. I use the analogy of a PCMCIA or USB card. that's the device that is FCC certified - the computer (routerboard) just runs it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com<mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Excuse my ignorance but since the card is the only thing that transmits why does the board and especially why does the enclosure need to be certified? If one puts a two way radio in a car the radio needs to be certified, not the whole car. Greg On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:30 PM, ralph wrote: Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are, that does not an FCC certified system make. Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something like the RB/card/enclosure combination. Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for *that system*. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the last year or so. Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I need to replace is the indoor ratios. Why would you install what you put in? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> S
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Thank you Brian. That is exactly what I wanted to know. Vendors who spend the time to go through the DFS2 certification process will be rewarded.. with $. Randy Brian Webster wrote: > I think the point about certification was specifically asked regarding > the 5.4 version and having been approved for DFS. > > > Thank You, > Brian Webster > > > > Jerry Richardson wrote: >> That's been the ongoing argument. >> >> I use the analogy of a PCMCIA or USB card. that's the device that is FCC >> certified - the computer (routerboard) just runs it. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com >> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:53 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Excuse my ignorance but since the card is the only thing that >> transmits why does the board and especially why does the enclosure >> need to be certified? If one puts a two way radio in a car the radio >> needs to be certified, not the whole car. >> >> Greg >> On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:30 PM, ralph wrote: >> >> >>> Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" >>> Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if >>> they are, >>> that does not an FCC certified system make. >>> Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. >>> Something >>> like the RB/card/enclosure combination. >>> Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number >>> for >>> *that system*. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> MT is FCC Certified :) >>> >>> --- >>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> WISPA Vendor Member >>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of ralph >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Marlon- >>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say >>> >>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified >>> Mikrotik- Not so much >>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. >>> >>> >>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to >>> work >>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside. >>> >>> Ralph >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >>> others >>> >>> are using. >>> >>> I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of >>> the >>> most >>> >>> reliable gear that I've ever used. >>> >>> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of >>> it in >>> >>> over the last year or so. >>> >>> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to >>> the >>> >>> outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. >>> >>> It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do >>> the >>> >>> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go >>> too >>> >>> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you >>> guys >>
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Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the wireless card. It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just like your PC. So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for the user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had these computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc builders were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are doing with the Mikrotik stuff. As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board wireless. I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your routerboards are required to be certified. If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices certified. === Digital device:§ 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a computing device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and uses radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement in any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards for digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital devices. Class A digital device: A Class "A" digital device is a digital device that is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment. Class B digital device: A Class "B" digital device is a digital device that is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general public. Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits than the Class A devices. === -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices The way I understand it, the routerboard don't matter, the antenna, and radio matters, as its certified as a system, with xx gain of this type of antenna. You also have to have the FCC information, etc, on the outside that MT offers to only its distributors. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices That's been the ongoing argument. I use the analogy of a PCMCIA or USB card. that's the device that is FCC certified - the computer (routerboard) just runs it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Excuse my ignorance but since the card is the only thing that transmits why does the board and especially why does the enclosure need to be certified? If one puts a two way radio in a car the radio needs to be certified, not the whole car. Greg On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:30 PM, ralph wrote: > Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" > Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if > they are, > that does not an FCC certified system make. > Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. > Something > like the RB/card/enclosure combination. > Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number > for > *that syste
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An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads does, however. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "ralph" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the > wireless card. > It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just > like > your PC. > > So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the > things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for > the > user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If > some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had > these > computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc > builders > were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top > affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. > The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the > builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did > not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are > doing > with the Mikrotik stuff. > > As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC > Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. > They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board > wireless. > > I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your > routerboards are required to be certified. > If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices > certified. > > === > Digital device:§ 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a > computing > device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and > uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) > per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment > that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and > uses > radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing > functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, > recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio > frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement > in > any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of > this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards > for > digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable > operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not > control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and > peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital > devices. > > > Class A digital device: A Class "A" digital device is a digital device > that > is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment. > > Class B digital device: A Class "B" digital device is a digital device > that > is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices > include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and > similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general > public. > Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the > likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits > than the Class A devices. > === > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Dennis Burgess > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:32 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > The way I understand it, the routerboard don't matter, the antenna, and > radio matters, as its certified as a system, with xx gain of this type > of antenna. You also have to have the FCC information, etc, on the > outside that MT offers to only its distributors. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jerry Richardson > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:12 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > That's been the ongoing argument. > > I use the analogy of a PCMCIA or USB card. that's the device that is FCC > certified - the computer (routerboard) just runs it. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-bou
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What does the FCC symbol stamped on my RB433AH signify? (see http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb433ah.pdf) Where does one look to see what devices are FCC part-15 Class A and B certified? Randy Mike Hammett wrote: > An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads > does, however. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "ralph" > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > >> Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the >> wireless card. >> It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just >> like >> your PC. >> >> So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the >> things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for >> the >> user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If >> some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had >> these >> computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc >> builders >> were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top >> affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. >> The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the >> builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did >> not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are >> doing >> with the Mikrotik stuff. >> >> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC >> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. >> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board >> wireless. >> >> I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your >> routerboards are required to be certified. >> If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices >> certified. >> >> === >> Digital device:§ 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a >> computing >> device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and >> uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) >> per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment >> that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and >> uses >> radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing >> functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, >> recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio >> frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement >> in >> any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of >> this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards >> for >> digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable >> operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not >> control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and >> peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital >> devices. >> >> >> Class A digital device: A Class "A" digital device is a digital device >> that >> is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment. >> >> Class B digital device: A Class "B" digital device is a digital device >> that >> is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices >> include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and >> similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general >> public. >> Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the >> likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits >> than the Class A devices. >> === >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess >> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:32 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> The way I understand it, the routerboard don't matter, the antenna, and >> radio matters, as its certified as a system, with xx gain of this type >> of antenna. You also have to
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The new RB411R do have a onboard wireless interface. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads does, however. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "ralph" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the > wireless card. > It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just > like > your PC. > > So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the > things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for > the > user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If > some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had > these > computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc > builders > were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top > affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. > The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the > builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did > not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are > doing > with the Mikrotik stuff. > > As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC > Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. > They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board > wireless. > > I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your > routerboards are required to be certified. > If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices > certified. > > === > Digital device:§ 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a > computing > device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and > uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) > per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment > that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and > uses > radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing > functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, > recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio > frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement > in > any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of > this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards > for > digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable > operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not > control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and > peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital > devices. > > > Class A digital device: A Class "A" digital device is a digital device > that > is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment. > > Class B digital device: A Class "B" digital device is a digital device > that > is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices > include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and > similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general > public. > Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the > likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits > than the Class A devices. > === > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Dennis Burgess > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:32 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > The way I understand it, the routerboard don't matter, the antenna, and > radio matters, as its certified as a system, with xx gain of this type > of antenna. You also have to have the FCC information, etc, on the > outside that MT offers to only its distributors. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jerry Richardson > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:12 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >
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Not to mention less than 6 watts of power usage if I remember! --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:35 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices The new RB411R do have a onboard wireless interface. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads does, however. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "ralph" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the > wireless card. > It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just > like > your PC. > > So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the > things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for > the > user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If > some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had > these > computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc > builders > were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top > affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. > The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the > builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did > not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are > doing > with the Mikrotik stuff. > > As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC > Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. > They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board > wireless. > > I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your > routerboards are required to be certified. > If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices > certified. > > === > Digital device:§ 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a > computing > device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and > uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) > per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment > that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and > uses > radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing > functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, > recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio > frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement > in > any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of > this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards > for > digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable > operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not > control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and > peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital > devices. > > > Class A digital device: A Class "A" digital device is a digital device > that > is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment. > > Class B digital device: A Class "B" digital device is a digital device > that > is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices > include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and > similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general > public. > Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the > likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits > than the Class A devices. > === > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Dennis Burgess > Sent: Tuesday
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The Routerboards without built in radio cards are Part B certified devices (which is a self certification process with no filing with the FCC required). The manufacturer just need to have the documentation to provide in case of a FCC inquiry. If memory serves me right MikroTik used to have their test reports on their routerboard.com website before they changed the design a while back. A part B device that passes the line out mission testing is allowed to bear the FCC symbol on them. But that does not necessary mean that a part B device that does not bear the symbol does not pass but of course could mean that it has not been tested at all. A device that do have the symbol on it and has not been tested or does not pass is in violation and "fines" can be issued (additional fines that is for using the symbol on a non passing device, a device sold that does not pass means violation and fines as well). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices What does the FCC symbol stamped on my RB433AH signify? (see http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb433ah.pdf) Where does one look to see what devices are FCC part-15 Class A and B certified? Randy Mike Hammett wrote: > An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads > does, however. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "ralph" > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > >> Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the >> wireless card. >> It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just >> like >> your PC. >> >> So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the >> things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for >> the >> user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If >> some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had >> these >> computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc >> builders >> were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top >> affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. >> The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the >> builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did >> not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are >> doing >> with the Mikrotik stuff. >> >> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC >> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. >> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board >> wireless. >> >> I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your >> routerboards are required to be certified. >> If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices >> certified. >> >> === >> Digital device:§ 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a >> computing >> device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and >> uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) >> per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment >> that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and >> uses >> radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing >> functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, >> recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio >> frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement >> in >> any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of >> this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards >> for >> digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable >> operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not >> control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and >> peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital >> devices. >> >> >> Class A digital device: A Class "A" digital device is a digital device >> that >> is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment.
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I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to. I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known supplier of pre-cased RBs There are no markings on the case about compliance with any rule or any FCC numbers at all. There is nothing that says FCC on the top of the RB inside either. I did not remove the board and look underneath. As far as where you go to see if it is certified or not, I don't know all the places, but there is usually a sticker that gives the details about the certification. You can also check the FCC filing, which I believe even shows replicas of the sticker. I think the user's manual also mentions the approval. The Crossroads FCC filing shows the sticker and its placement. https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 9435&native_or_pdf=pdf The user's manual has an entire page dedicated to the FCC data including all the warnings on page 11 https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 9433&native_or_pdf=pdf Mikrotik has very little stuff certified. Most of the listings are for the same devices, just certified on different frequencies or in different configurations. There are the 2 things I already mentioned, as well as these: R5H (a radio card only) photos show it in a routerboard being used as a "test fixture" but test was only for the card, and an FCC label must be placed on the outside of the final enclosure. Actually the same as WLM54AGP23 but FCC shown so record of this device. R52 : This module is intended for OEM integrator. The OEM integrator is still responsible for the FCC compliance requirement of the end product, which integrates this module. So if you go and put an R52 in anything, it becomes *your* responsibility to the FCC to maintain compliance. MT appears to be pretty much immune to citations on this issue. One could conclude that someone like Dennis probably operates this way. It isn't just MT. The Williboard stuff (when assembled by Deliberant or Ligowave) becomes certified too. I also seem to remember that the Pronghorn Metro stuff has do it yourself instructions showing exactly how to build the unit so it is just like the one they had certified, right down to the internal pigtail. I can't locate my StarOS equipment to see what they did, but something is telling me that they have the proper stickers too. I'd have to check, or maybe Lonnie can address the issue. It would really be nice to draw together a list of just which equipment was and was not. Some folks would care I think. Of course from what I have read and seen over the years, many of you do not care whether or not you are operating legally. I'm not trying to start anything- just stating the facts as I see 'em. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices What does the FCC symbol stamped on my RB433AH signify? (see http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb433ah.pdf) Where does one look to see what devices are FCC part-15 Class A and B certified? Randy Mike Hammett wrote: > An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads > does, however. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "ralph" > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > >> Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the >> wireless card. >> It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just >> like >> your PC. >> >> So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the >> things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for >> the >> user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If >> some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had >> these >> computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc >> builders >> were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top >> affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. >> The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the >> builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did >> not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are >> doing >> with the Mikrotik stuff. >> >> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC >> Pa
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Are you sure? When I looked at the internal photos of what they had tested, on the FCC site, it looked like there was a pigtail from an N connector plugged onto the mother board. I saw a mini-pci connector too, but it appeared to be empty. I will look again- maybe my old eyes are playing tricks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads does, however. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "ralph" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the > wireless card. > It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just > like > your PC. > > So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the > things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for > the > user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If > some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had > these > computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc > builders > were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top > affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. > The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the > builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did > not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are > doing > with the Mikrotik stuff. > > As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC > Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. > They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board > wireless. > > I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your > routerboards are required to be certified. > If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices > certified. > > === > Digital device:§ 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a > computing > device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and > uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) > per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment > that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and > uses > radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing > functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, > recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio > frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement > in > any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of > this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards > for > digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable > operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not > control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and > peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital > devices. > > > Class A digital device: A Class "A" digital device is a digital device > that > is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment. > > Class B digital device: A Class "B" digital device is a digital device > that > is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices > include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and > similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general > public. > Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the > likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits > than the Class A devices. > === > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Dennis Burgess > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:32 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > The way I understand it, the routerboard don't matter, the antenna, and > radio matters, as its certified as a system, with xx gain of this type > of antenna. You also have to have the FCC information, etc, on the > outside that MT offers to only its distributors. > > -Original Message--
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And the part 15 type B certification is a self certification process with no filing needed with the FCC and there for no FCC id number provided. Majority of the testing is line noise testing ie what possible signals the device might be outputting into the electrical grid. That is where the most stringent requirements are on a type B device. Your mixing up the type class B certification with full Part 15 certification testing. Yes the crossroads and the rb411r have full certification because they have transceivers that needs certified built on to the unit. But a regular class B device does not. Just take a look at any regular computer part with exception of a radio card or modem. You will find NO FCC id's on any of those devices but more than likely you will find a FCC logo on them to indicate that the testing been done and that the device passes and the manufacturer have the testing documentation in their own company files. Class A restrictions are lower than Class B restrictions because they are expected to be used/installed by professionals while a Class B device is installed by the less technical knowledged. Take a regular computer for example the parts and pieces are Class B certified yet you can use a computer in a business/commercial environment because a Class B device exceeds the Class A requirements. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the wireless card. It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just like your PC. So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for the user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had these computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc builders were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are doing with the Mikrotik stuff. As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board wireless. I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your routerboards are required to be certified. If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices certified. === Digital device:§ 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a computing device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and uses radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement in any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards for digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital devices. Class A digital device: A Class "A" digital device is a digital device that is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment. Class B digital device: A Class "B" digital device is a digital device that is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general public. Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits than the Class A devices. === -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices The way I understand it, the routerboard don't m
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You found the RB411R unit which do have a onboard radio. The regular RB411 does not have a built on radio. The RB411R needs to be certified under part 15 as a transceiver and has been certified. The normal RB411 does not have a transceiver on them and been self tested as a Class B device and there for does not show up in the FCC id database because no filing of application is needed for a Class A or Class B device. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:13 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Are you sure? When I looked at the internal photos of what they had tested, on the FCC site, it looked like there was a pigtail from an N connector plugged onto the mother board. I saw a mini-pci connector too, but it appeared to be empty. I will look again- maybe my old eyes are playing tricks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads does, however. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "ralph" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the > wireless card. > It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just > like > your PC. > > So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the > things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for > the > user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If > some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had > these > computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc > builders > were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top > affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. > The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the > builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did > not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are > doing > with the Mikrotik stuff. > > As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC > Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. > They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board > wireless. > > I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your > routerboards are required to be certified. > If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices > certified. > > === > Digital device:§ 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a > computing > device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and > uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) > per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment > that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and > uses > radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing > functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, > recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio > frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement > in > any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of > this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards > for > digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable > operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not > control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and > peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital > devices. > > > Class A digital device: A Class "A" digital device is a digital device > that > is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment. > > Class B digital device: A Class "B" digital device is a digital device > that > is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices > include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and > similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general > public. > Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the > likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits
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Time to stop this thread since your just spreading FUD.. Read my other posts. All MikroTik products do have the appropriate FCC certification and/or testing done on them. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:13 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to. I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known supplier of pre-cased RBs There are no markings on the case about compliance with any rule or any FCC numbers at all. There is nothing that says FCC on the top of the RB inside either. I did not remove the board and look underneath. As far as where you go to see if it is certified or not, I don't know all the places, but there is usually a sticker that gives the details about the certification. You can also check the FCC filing, which I believe even shows replicas of the sticker. I think the user's manual also mentions the approval. The Crossroads FCC filing shows the sticker and its placement. https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 9435&native_or_pdf=pdf The user's manual has an entire page dedicated to the FCC data including all the warnings on page 11 https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 9433&native_or_pdf=pdf Mikrotik has very little stuff certified. Most of the listings are for the same devices, just certified on different frequencies or in different configurations. There are the 2 things I already mentioned, as well as these: R5H (a radio card only) photos show it in a routerboard being used as a "test fixture" but test was only for the card, and an FCC label must be placed on the outside of the final enclosure. Actually the same as WLM54AGP23 but FCC shown so record of this device. R52 : This module is intended for OEM integrator. The OEM integrator is still responsible for the FCC compliance requirement of the end product, which integrates this module. So if you go and put an R52 in anything, it becomes *your* responsibility to the FCC to maintain compliance. MT appears to be pretty much immune to citations on this issue. One could conclude that someone like Dennis probably operates this way. It isn't just MT. The Williboard stuff (when assembled by Deliberant or Ligowave) becomes certified too. I also seem to remember that the Pronghorn Metro stuff has do it yourself instructions showing exactly how to build the unit so it is just like the one they had certified, right down to the internal pigtail. I can't locate my StarOS equipment to see what they did, but something is telling me that they have the proper stickers too. I'd have to check, or maybe Lonnie can address the issue. It would really be nice to draw together a list of just which equipment was and was not. Some folks would care I think. Of course from what I have read and seen over the years, many of you do not care whether or not you are operating legally. I'm not trying to start anything- just stating the facts as I see 'em. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices What does the FCC symbol stamped on my RB433AH signify? (see http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb433ah.pdf) Where does one look to see what devices are FCC part-15 Class A and B certified? Randy Mike Hammett wrote: > An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads > does, however. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "ralph" > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > >> Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the >> wireless card. >> It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just >> like >> your PC. >> >> So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the >> things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for >> the >> user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If >> some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had >> these >> computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc >> builders >> were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top >> affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside withou
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They have a RB/411r which has it onboard. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads does, however. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "ralph" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the > wireless card. > It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just > like > your PC. > > So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the > things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for > the > user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If > some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had > these > computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc > builders > were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top > affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. > The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the > builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did > not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are > doing > with the Mikrotik stuff. > > As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC > Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. > They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board > wireless. > > I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your > routerboards are required to be certified. > If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices > certified. > > === > Digital device:§ 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a > computing > device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and > uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) > per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment > that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and > uses > radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing > functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, > recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio > frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement > in > any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of > this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards > for > digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable > operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not > control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and > peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital > devices. > > > Class A digital device: A Class "A" digital device is a digital device > that > is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment. > > Class B digital device: A Class "B" digital device is a digital device > that > is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices > include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and > similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general > public. > Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the > likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits > than the Class A devices. > === > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Dennis Burgess > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:32 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > The way I understand it, the routerboard don't matter, the antenna, and > radio matters, as its certified as a system, with xx gain of this type > of antenna. You also have to have the FCC information, etc, on the > outside that MT offers to only its distributors. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jerry Richardson > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:12 PM
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The FCC logo on the RB433AH is right next to the "CE" logo just to the left of the two (ram?) chips about 2/3 of the way down the board. ralph wrote: > I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to. > I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known supplier of > pre-cased RBs > There are no markings on the case about compliance with any rule or any FCC > numbers at all. > There is nothing that says FCC on the top of the RB inside either. I did > not remove the board and look underneath. > > As far as where you go to see if it is certified or not, I don't know all > the places, but there is usually a sticker that gives the details about the > certification. > You can also check the FCC filing, which I believe even shows replicas of > the sticker. I think the user's manual also mentions the approval. > > The Crossroads FCC filing shows the sticker and its placement. > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 > 9435&native_or_pdf=pdf > > The user's manual has an entire page dedicated to the FCC data including all > the warnings on page 11 > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 > 9433&native_or_pdf=pdf > > > > Mikrotik has very little stuff certified. Most of the listings are for the > same devices, just certified on different frequencies or in different > configurations. > There are the 2 things I already mentioned, as well as these: > > R5H (a radio card only) photos show it in a routerboard being used as a > "test fixture" but test was only for the card, and an FCC label must be > placed on the outside of the final enclosure. Actually the same as > WLM54AGP23 but FCC shown so record of this device. > > R52 : This module is intended for OEM integrator. The OEM integrator is > still responsible > for the FCC compliance requirement of the end product, which integrates this > module. > > > So if you go and put an R52 in anything, it becomes *your* responsibility to > the FCC to maintain compliance. MT appears to be pretty much immune to > citations on this issue. One could conclude that someone like Dennis > probably operates this way. > > It isn't just MT. The Williboard stuff (when assembled by Deliberant or > Ligowave) becomes certified too. > > I also seem to remember that the Pronghorn Metro stuff has do it yourself > instructions showing exactly how to build the unit so it is just like the > one they had certified, right down to the internal pigtail. > > I can't locate my StarOS equipment to see what they did, but something is > telling me that they have the proper stickers too. I'd have to check, or > maybe Lonnie can address the issue. > > It would really be nice to draw together a list of just which equipment was > and was not. Some folks would care I think. > Of course from what I have read and seen over the years, many of you do not > care whether or not you are operating legally. > > I'm not trying to start anything- just stating the facts as I see 'em. > > Ralph > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > What does the FCC symbol stamped on my RB433AH signify? (see > http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb433ah.pdf) > > Where does one look to see what devices are FCC part-15 Class A and B > certified? > > Randy > > Mike Hammett wrote: > >> An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads >> > > >> does, however. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "ralph" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> >> >>> Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the >>> wireless card. >>> It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just >>> like >>> your PC. >>> >>> So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of >>> > the > >>> things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for >>> the >>> user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. I
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Sorry Eje- No need for personal criticism. If you don't like the discussion, then press delete- but don't try to silence me. What I would like to see happen is for MT to show us the testing. They shouldn't have anything to hide. As has been said before, no one can know whether it was actually tested before or not and whether it passed or not unless it is marked as such or the results are published. Other manufacturers do it so why should they be any different. They should be up front with all the info or else people will be left to draw their own conclusions. I am a MT user, have been using the 386 stuff in PCs for years and years now and our entire network is built around it, so I am not anti MT and I certainly would not spread FUD. I for one would love to know how they tested and to what standard (A or B computing device) because we might consider using the boards more if we knew how they were intended to be used. If you are selling their equipment, perhaps you could ask them to publish the test results. Best wishes Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Time to stop this thread since your just spreading FUD.. Read my other posts. All MikroTik products do have the appropriate FCC certification and/or testing done on them. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:13 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to. I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known supplier of pre-cased RBs There are no markings on the case about compliance with any rule or any FCC numbers at all. There is nothing that says FCC on the top of the RB inside either. I did not remove the board and look underneath. As far as where you go to see if it is certified or not, I don't know all the places, but there is usually a sticker that gives the details about the certification. You can also check the FCC filing, which I believe even shows replicas of the sticker. I think the user's manual also mentions the approval. The Crossroads FCC filing shows the sticker and its placement. https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 9435&native_or_pdf=pdf The user's manual has an entire page dedicated to the FCC data including all the warnings on page 11 https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 9433&native_or_pdf=pdf Mikrotik has very little stuff certified. Most of the listings are for the same devices, just certified on different frequencies or in different configurations. There are the 2 things I already mentioned, as well as these: R5H (a radio card only) photos show it in a routerboard being used as a "test fixture" but test was only for the card, and an FCC label must be placed on the outside of the final enclosure. Actually the same as WLM54AGP23 but FCC shown so record of this device. R52 : This module is intended for OEM integrator. The OEM integrator is still responsible for the FCC compliance requirement of the end product, which integrates this module. So if you go and put an R52 in anything, it becomes *your* responsibility to the FCC to maintain compliance. MT appears to be pretty much immune to citations on this issue. One could conclude that someone like Dennis probably operates this way. It isn't just MT. The Williboard stuff (when assembled by Deliberant or Ligowave) becomes certified too. I also seem to remember that the Pronghorn Metro stuff has do it yourself instructions showing exactly how to build the unit so it is just like the one they had certified, right down to the internal pigtail. I can't locate my StarOS equipment to see what they did, but something is telling me that they have the proper stickers too. I'd have to check, or maybe Lonnie can address the issue. It would really be nice to draw together a list of just which equipment was and was not. Some folks would care I think. Of course from what I have read and seen over the years, many of you do not care whether or not you are operating legally. I'm not trying to start anything- just stating the facts as I see 'em. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices What does the FCC symbol stamped on my RB433AH signify? (see http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb433ah.pdf) Where does one look to see what devices are FCC part-15 Class A and B certified? Randy Mike H
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I can't look again because I just dropped it off at UPS to go back for RMA. I had never opened this one until now, but the board say 433 and the case says 433AH. I bought a 433AH Is the board in a 433AH board marked as such or do they all say 433? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices The FCC logo on the RB433AH is right next to the "CE" logo just to the left of the two (ram?) chips about 2/3 of the way down the board. ralph wrote: > I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to. > I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known supplier of > pre-cased RBs > There are no markings on the case about compliance with any rule or any FCC > numbers at all. > There is nothing that says FCC on the top of the RB inside either. I did > not remove the board and look underneath. > > As far as where you go to see if it is certified or not, I don't know all > the places, but there is usually a sticker that gives the details about the > certification. > You can also check the FCC filing, which I believe even shows replicas of > the sticker. I think the user's manual also mentions the approval. > > The Crossroads FCC filing shows the sticker and its placement. > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 > 9435&native_or_pdf=pdf > > The user's manual has an entire page dedicated to the FCC data including all > the warnings on page 11 > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 > 9433&native_or_pdf=pdf > > > > Mikrotik has very little stuff certified. Most of the listings are for the > same devices, just certified on different frequencies or in different > configurations. > There are the 2 things I already mentioned, as well as these: > > R5H (a radio card only) photos show it in a routerboard being used as a > "test fixture" but test was only for the card, and an FCC label must be > placed on the outside of the final enclosure. Actually the same as > WLM54AGP23 but FCC shown so record of this device. > > R52 : This module is intended for OEM integrator. The OEM integrator is > still responsible > for the FCC compliance requirement of the end product, which integrates this > module. > > > So if you go and put an R52 in anything, it becomes *your* responsibility to > the FCC to maintain compliance. MT appears to be pretty much immune to > citations on this issue. One could conclude that someone like Dennis > probably operates this way. > > It isn't just MT. The Williboard stuff (when assembled by Deliberant or > Ligowave) becomes certified too. > > I also seem to remember that the Pronghorn Metro stuff has do it yourself > instructions showing exactly how to build the unit so it is just like the > one they had certified, right down to the internal pigtail. > > I can't locate my StarOS equipment to see what they did, but something is > telling me that they have the proper stickers too. I'd have to check, or > maybe Lonnie can address the issue. > > It would really be nice to draw together a list of just which equipment was > and was not. Some folks would care I think. > Of course from what I have read and seen over the years, many of you do not > care whether or not you are operating legally. > > I'm not trying to start anything- just stating the facts as I see 'em. > > Ralph > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > What does the FCC symbol stamped on my RB433AH signify? (see > http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb433ah.pdf) > > Where does one look to see what devices are FCC part-15 Class A and B > certified? > > Randy > > Mike Hammett wrote: > >> An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads >> > > >> does, however. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "ralph" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> >> >>> Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than ena
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Pretty sure they all say 411, or 433, or 493, etc. In fact the crossroads also said 411 I think... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:33 PM, ralph wrote: > I can't look again because I just dropped it off at UPS to go back for RMA. > I had never opened this one until now, but the board say 433 and the case > says 433AH. I bought a 433AH > Is the board in a 433AH board marked as such or do they all say 433? > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:22 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > The FCC logo on the RB433AH is right next to the "CE" logo just to the > left of the two (ram?) chips about 2/3 of the way down the board. > > > > ralph wrote: > > I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to. > > I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known supplier > of > > pre-cased RBs > > There are no markings on the case about compliance with any rule or any > FCC > > numbers at all. > > There is nothing that says FCC on the top of the RB inside either. I did > > not remove the board and look underneath. > > > > As far as where you go to see if it is certified or not, I don't know all > > the places, but there is usually a sticker that gives the details about > the > > certification. > > You can also check the FCC filing, which I believe even shows replicas of > > the sticker. I think the user's manual also mentions the approval. > > > > The Crossroads FCC filing shows the sticker and its placement. > > > > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 > > 9435&native_or_pdf=pdf > > > > The user's manual has an entire page dedicated to the FCC data including > all > > the warnings on page 11 > > > > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 > > 9433&native_or_pdf=pdf > > > > > > > > Mikrotik has very little stuff certified. Most of the listings are for > the > > same devices, just certified on different frequencies or in different > > configurations. > > There are the 2 things I already mentioned, as well as these: > > > > R5H (a radio card only) photos show it in a routerboard being used as a > > "test fixture" but test was only for the card, and an FCC label must be > > placed on the outside of the final enclosure. Actually the same as > > WLM54AGP23 but FCC shown so record of this device. > > > > R52 : This module is intended for OEM integrator. The OEM integrator is > > still responsible > > for the FCC compliance requirement of the end product, which integrates > this > > module. > > > > > > So if you go and put an R52 in anything, it becomes *your* responsibility > to > > the FCC to maintain compliance. MT appears to be pretty much immune to > > citations on this issue. One could conclude that someone like Dennis > > probably operates this way. > > > > It isn't just MT. The Williboard stuff (when assembled by Deliberant or > > Ligowave) becomes certified too. > > > > I also seem to remember that the Pronghorn Metro stuff has do it yourself > > instructions showing exactly how to build the unit so it is just like the > > one they had certified, right down to the internal pigtail. > > > > I can't locate my StarOS equipment to see what they did, but something is > > telling me that they have the proper stickers too. I'd have to check, or > > maybe Lonnie can address the issue. > > > > It would really be nice to draw together a list of just which equipment > was > > and was not. Some folks would care I think. > > Of course from what I have read and seen over the years, many of you do > not > > care whether or not you are operating legally. > > > > I'm not trying to start anything- just stating the facts as I see 'em. > > > > Ralph > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > > &g
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I really haven't followed this thread that closely... but with this much confusion... Mikrotik should probably explain how and why they are FCC legal. Most manufacturers put at the end of their user manuals a detailed explanation of their regulatory compliance... Mikrotik should take the time to do the same Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of ralph >Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:27 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >Sorry Eje- No need for personal criticism. If you don't like the >discussion, >then press delete- but don't try to silence me. > >What I would like to see happen is for MT to show us the testing. They >shouldn't have anything to hide. >As has been said before, no one can know whether it was actually tested >before or not and whether it passed or not unless it is marked as such >or >the results are published. Other manufacturers do it so why should they >be >any different. > >They should be up front with all the info or else people will be left to >draw their own conclusions. > >I am a MT user, have been using the 386 stuff in PCs for years and years >now >and our entire network is built around it, so I am not anti MT and I >certainly would not spread FUD. I for one would love to know how they >tested >and to what standard (A or B computing device) because we might consider >using the boards more if we knew how they were intended to be used. > >If you are selling their equipment, perhaps you could ask them to >publish >the test results. > >Best wishes > >Ralph > >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson >Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:23 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >Time to stop this thread since your just spreading FUD.. Read my other >posts. > >All MikroTik products do have the appropriate FCC certification and/or >testing done on them. > >/ Eje > >-----Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of ralph >Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:13 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to. >I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known supplier >of >pre-cased RBs >There are no markings on the case about compliance with any rule or any >FCC >numbers at all. >There is nothing that says FCC on the top of the RB inside either. I >did >not remove the board and look underneath. > >As far as where you go to see if it is certified or not, I don't know >all >the places, but there is usually a sticker that gives the details about >the >certification. >You can also check the FCC filing, which I believe even shows replicas >of >the sticker. I think the user's manual also mentions the approval. > >The Crossroads FCC filing shows the sticker and its placement. >https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_i >d=82 >9435&native_or_pdf=pdf > >The user's manual has an entire page dedicated to the FCC data including >all >the warnings on page 11 >https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_i >d=82 >9433&native_or_pdf=pdf > > > >Mikrotik has very little stuff certified. Most of the listings are for >the >same devices, just certified on different frequencies or in different >configurations. >There are the 2 things I already mentioned, as well as these: > >R5H (a radio card only) photos show it in a routerboard being used as a >"test fixture" but test was only for the card, and an FCC label must be >placed on the outside of the final enclosure. Actually the same as >WLM54AGP23 but FCC shown so record of this device. > >R52 : This module is intended for OEM integrator. The OEM integrator is >still responsible >for the FCC compliance requirement of the end product, which integrates >this >module. > > >So if you go and put an R52 in anything, it becomes *your* >responsibility to >the FCC to maintain compliance. MT appears to be pretty much immune to >citations on this issue. One could conclude that someone like Dennis >probably operates this way. > >It isn't just MT. The Williboard stuff (when assembled by Deliberant or >Ligowave) becomes certified too. > >I also seem to remember that the Pronghorn Metro stuff has do it >yourself >
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The test results are available on the FCC website. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Sorry Eje- No need for personal criticism. If you don't like the discussion, then press delete- but don't try to silence me. What I would like to see happen is for MT to show us the testing. They shouldn't have anything to hide. As has been said before, no one can know whether it was actually tested before or not and whether it passed or not unless it is marked as such or the results are published. Other manufacturers do it so why should they be any different. They should be up front with all the info or else people will be left to draw their own conclusions. I am a MT user, have been using the 386 stuff in PCs for years and years now and our entire network is built around it, so I am not anti MT and I certainly would not spread FUD. I for one would love to know how they tested and to what standard (A or B computing device) because we might consider using the boards more if we knew how they were intended to be used. If you are selling their equipment, perhaps you could ask them to publish the test results. Best wishes Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Time to stop this thread since your just spreading FUD.. Read my other posts. All MikroTik products do have the appropriate FCC certification and/or testing done on them. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:13 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to. I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known supplier of pre-cased RBs There are no markings on the case about compliance with any rule or any FCC numbers at all. There is nothing that says FCC on the top of the RB inside either. I did not remove the board and look underneath. As far as where you go to see if it is certified or not, I don't know all the places, but there is usually a sticker that gives the details about the certification. You can also check the FCC filing, which I believe even shows replicas of the sticker. I think the user's manual also mentions the approval. The Crossroads FCC filing shows the sticker and its placement. https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 9435&native_or_pdf=pdf The user's manual has an entire page dedicated to the FCC data including all the warnings on page 11 https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 9433&native_or_pdf=pdf Mikrotik has very little stuff certified. Most of the listings are for the same devices, just certified on different frequencies or in different configurations. There are the 2 things I already mentioned, as well as these: R5H (a radio card only) photos show it in a routerboard being used as a "test fixture" but test was only for the card, and an FCC label must be placed on the outside of the final enclosure. Actually the same as WLM54AGP23 but FCC shown so record of this device. R52 : This module is intended for OEM integrator. The OEM integrator is still responsible for the FCC compliance requirement of the end product, which integrates this module. So if you go and put an R52 in anything, it becomes *your* responsibility to the FCC to maintain compliance. MT appears to be pretty much immune to citations on this issue. One could conclude that someone like Dennis probably operates this way. It isn't just MT. The Williboard stuff (when assembled by Deliberant or Ligowave) becomes certified too. I also seem to remember that the Pronghorn Metro stuff has do it yourself instructions showing exactly how to build the unit so it is just like the one they had certified, right down to the internal pigtail. I can't locate my StarOS equipment to see what they did, but something is telling me that they have the proper stickers too. I'd have to check, or maybe Lonnie can address the issue. It would really be nice to draw together a list of just which equipment was and was not. Some folks would care I think. Of course from what I have read and seen over the years, many of you do not care whether or not you are operating legally. I'm not trying to start anything- just stating the facts as I see 'em. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.
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Don't confuse the FCC aproval of the routerboard emmisions as a CPU with the actual FCC certification of a rf system with radio pigtail and antenna Even my 25 year old tv has a FCC label stating it complies with emmisions Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Sep 16, 2009, at 4:42 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > Pretty sure they all say 411, or 433, or 493, etc. > > In fact the crossroads also said 411 I think... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:33 PM, ralph wrote: > >> I can't look again because I just dropped it off at UPS to go back >> for RMA. >> I had never opened this one until now, but the board say 433 and >> the case >> says 433AH. I bought a 433AH >> Is the board in a 433AH board marked as such or do they all say 433? >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >> boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:22 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> The FCC logo on the RB433AH is right next to the "CE" logo just to >> the >> left of the two (ram?) chips about 2/3 of the way down the board. >> >> >> >> ralph wrote: >>> I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to. >>> I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known >>> supplier >> of >>> pre-cased RBs >>> There are no markings on the case about compliance with any rule >>> or any >> FCC >>> numbers at all. >>> There is nothing that says FCC on the top of the RB inside >>> either. I did >>> not remove the board and look underneath. >>> >>> As far as where you go to see if it is certified or not, I don't >>> know all >>> the places, but there is usually a sticker that gives the details >>> about >> the >>> certification. >>> You can also check the FCC filing, which I believe even shows >>> replicas of >>> the sticker. I think the user's manual also mentions the approval. >>> >>> The Crossroads FCC filing shows the sticker and its placement. >>> >> >> https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 >>> 9435&native_or_pdf=pdf >>> >>> The user's manual has an entire page dedicated to the FCC data >>> including >> all >>> the warnings on page 11 >>> >> >> https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 >>> 9433&native_or_pdf=pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> Mikrotik has very little stuff certified. Most of the listings are >>> for >> the >>> same devices, just certified on different frequencies or in >>> different >>> configurations. >>> There are the 2 things I already mentioned, as well as these: >>> >>> R5H (a radio card only) photos show it in a routerboard being >>> used as a >>> "test fixture" but test was only for the card, and an FCC label >>> must be >>> placed on the outside of the final enclosure. Actually the same as >>> WLM54AGP23 but FCC shown so record of this device. >>> >>> R52 : This module is intended for OEM integrator. The OEM >>> integrator is >>> still responsible >>> for the FCC compliance requirement of the end product, which >>> integrates >> this >>> module. >>> >>> >>> So if you go and put an R52 in anything, it becomes *your* >>> responsibility >> to >>> the FCC to maintain compliance. MT appears to be pretty much >>> immune to >>> citations on this issue. One could conclude that someone like >>> Dennis >>> probably operates this way. >>> >>> It isn't just MT. The Williboard stuff (when assembled by >>> Deliberant or >>> Ligowave) becomes certified too. >>> >>> I also seem to remember that the Pronghorn Metro stuff has do it >>> yourself >>> instructions showing exactly how to build the unit so it is just >>> like the >>> one they had certified, right down to the
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Hi Gino- If you are addressing that to me, I am most certainly not confusing it. Anyway it doesn't matter. Both have to be met. And you do too, if you assemble it into an product. Sounds like your 25 year old TV was tested and the manufacturer properly labeled it. The manufacturer also properly labeled my Ligowave CPE, my Canopy AP and CPE, my Tropos 5110, my Tranzeo CPQ-15F, my Meraki Mini- Outdoor, my 15.00 Harbor Freight Driveway wireless alert alert system, my Ruckus MM2211 CPE and everything else I can pick up here in the lab. Why should MT not have to follow the rules as well? Maybe one of the importers will get MT to show us all their test data and get all the proper notices, labels, operator manual inserts and whatnot like most of the rest of the manufacturers do. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:48 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Don't confuse the FCC aproval of the routerboard emmisions as a CPU with the actual FCC certification of a rf system with radio pigtail and antenna Even my 25 year old tv has a FCC label stating it complies with emmisions Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Sep 16, 2009, at 4:42 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > Pretty sure they all say 411, or 433, or 493, etc. > > In fact the crossroads also said 411 I think... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:33 PM, ralph wrote: > >> I can't look again because I just dropped it off at UPS to go back >> for RMA. >> I had never opened this one until now, but the board say 433 and >> the case >> says 433AH. I bought a 433AH >> Is the board in a 433AH board marked as such or do they all say 433? >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >> boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:22 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> The FCC logo on the RB433AH is right next to the "CE" logo just to >> the >> left of the two (ram?) chips about 2/3 of the way down the board. >> >> >> >> ralph wrote: >>> I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to. >>> I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known >>> supplier >> of >>> pre-cased RBs >>> There are no markings on the case about compliance with any rule >>> or any >> FCC >>> numbers at all. >>> There is nothing that says FCC on the top of the RB inside >>> either. I did >>> not remove the board and look underneath. >>> >>> As far as where you go to see if it is certified or not, I don't >>> know all >>> the places, but there is usually a sticker that gives the details >>> about >> the >>> certification. >>> You can also check the FCC filing, which I believe even shows >>> replicas of >>> the sticker. I think the user's manual also mentions the approval. >>> >>> The Crossroads FCC filing shows the sticker and its placement. >>> >> >> https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 >>> 9435&native_or_pdf=pdf >>> >>> The user's manual has an entire page dedicated to the FCC data >>> including >> all >>> the warnings on page 11 >>> >> >> https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 >>> 9433&native_or_pdf=pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> Mikrotik has very little stuff certified. Most of the listings are >>> for >> the >>> same devices, just certified on different frequencies or in >>> different >>> configurations. >>> There are the 2 things I already mentioned, as well as these: >>> >>> R5H (a radio card only) photos show it in a routerboard being >>> used as a >>> "test fixture" but test was only for the card, and an FCC label >>> must be >>> placed on the outside of the final enclosure. Actually the same as >>> WLM54AGP23 but FCC shown so record of this device. >>> >>> R52 : This mod
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Hi Chuck- I already said that the FCC site only shows tests for the Crossroads, the 411 and a couple of cards. That is all that is on the site. I posted links to exact things. If you know of other products (that are not just variations of the same wireless card) then PLEASE post exact links. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices The test results are available on the FCC website. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Sorry Eje- No need for personal criticism. If you don't like the discussion, then press delete- but don't try to silence me. What I would like to see happen is for MT to show us the testing. They shouldn't have anything to hide. As has been said before, no one can know whether it was actually tested before or not and whether it passed or not unless it is marked as such or the results are published. Other manufacturers do it so why should they be any different. They should be up front with all the info or else people will be left to draw their own conclusions. I am a MT user, have been using the 386 stuff in PCs for years and years now and our entire network is built around it, so I am not anti MT and I certainly would not spread FUD. I for one would love to know how they tested and to what standard (A or B computing device) because we might consider using the boards more if we knew how they were intended to be used. If you are selling their equipment, perhaps you could ask them to publish the test results. Best wishes Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Time to stop this thread since your just spreading FUD.. Read my other posts. All MikroTik products do have the appropriate FCC certification and/or testing done on them. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:13 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to. I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known supplier of pre-cased RBs There are no markings on the case about compliance with any rule or any FCC numbers at all. There is nothing that says FCC on the top of the RB inside either. I did not remove the board and look underneath. As far as where you go to see if it is certified or not, I don't know all the places, but there is usually a sticker that gives the details about the certification. You can also check the FCC filing, which I believe even shows replicas of the sticker. I think the user's manual also mentions the approval. The Crossroads FCC filing shows the sticker and its placement. https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 9435&native_or_pdf=pdf The user's manual has an entire page dedicated to the FCC data including all the warnings on page 11 https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 9433&native_or_pdf=pdf Mikrotik has very little stuff certified. Most of the listings are for the same devices, just certified on different frequencies or in different configurations. There are the 2 things I already mentioned, as well as these: R5H (a radio card only) photos show it in a routerboard being used as a "test fixture" but test was only for the card, and an FCC label must be placed on the outside of the final enclosure. Actually the same as WLM54AGP23 but FCC shown so record of this device. R52 : This module is intended for OEM integrator. The OEM integrator is still responsible for the FCC compliance requirement of the end product, which integrates this module. So if you go and put an R52 in anything, it becomes *your* responsibility to the FCC to maintain compliance. MT appears to be pretty much immune to citations on this issue. One could conclude that someone like Dennis probably operates this way. It isn't just MT. The Williboard stuff (when assembled by Deliberant or Ligowave) becomes certified too. I also seem to remember that the Pronghorn Metro stuff has do it yourself instructions showing exactly how to build the unit so it is just like the one they had certified, right down to the internal pigtail. I can't locate my StarOS equipment to see what they did, but
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On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote: > As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC > Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. > They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board > wireless. You are half correct. The Crossroads does have a built-in radio. The RB411 does not. There IS a RB411R that has a built-in radio (2.4GHz). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the original question! I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul solution. 20 megs both ways will do just fine for now. What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. Something less than $3000 if it's at all possible. I know about the MT gear. I''ve already used one. And I REALLY like the Airaya gear it'll replace. I'm just wondering what people are using and liking. I don't want any unproven brand new gear. Or something too cheap like an 802.11a ap and client setup. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote: >> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC >> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. >> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on >> board >> wireless. > > You are half correct. The Crossroads does have a built-in radio. The > RB411 does not. There IS a RB411R that has a built-in radio (2.4GHz). > > -- > > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * > * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 14:47 -0600, 3-dB Networks wrote: > I really haven't followed this thread that closely... but with this much > confusion... Mikrotik should probably explain how and why they are FCC > legal. Most manufacturers put at the end of their user manuals a detailed > explanation of their regulatory compliance... Mikrotik should take the time > to do the same A call for Mikrotik to document something? Hmmm. ;-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Yeah what was I thinking :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Butch Evans >Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:01 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 14:47 -0600, 3-dB Networks wrote: >> I really haven't followed this thread that closely... but with this >much >> confusion... Mikrotik should probably explain how and why they are FCC >> legal. Most manufacturers put at the end of their user manuals a >detailed >> explanation of their regulatory compliance... Mikrotik should take the >time >> to do the same > >A call for Mikrotik to document something? Hmmm. ;-) > >-- > >* Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >* http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * >* http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >* http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * > > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Marlon - looked into Redline an80i 3.65? It's like 3k for the low speed key of 14 megs and maybe 4k for something more like 40 megs. You can upgrade from low to high speed key later at no dollar penalty. Keep in mind low speed is 7mhz and high speed is 20mhz. On 9/16/09, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the original question! > > I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul solution. 20 megs > both ways will do just fine for now. > > What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. Something less > than $3000 if it's at all possible. > > I know about the MT gear. I''ve already used one. And I REALLY like the > Airaya gear it'll replace. I'm just wondering what people are using and > liking. I don't want any unproven brand new gear. Or something too cheap > like an 802.11a ap and client setup. > > thanks, > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Butch Evans" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > >> On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote: >>> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC >>> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. >>> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on >>> board >>> wireless. >> >> You are half correct. The Crossroads does have a built-in radio. The >> RB411 does not. There IS a RB411R that has a built-in radio (2.4GHz). >> >> -- >> >> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >> * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * >> * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
To answer your question, we're using the B14, B28, and B100's from Alvarion for this kind of thing. We're extremely happy. I think the pricing is close to your goal, but the truth is, I don't recall what it costs off hand. Chuck On Sep 16, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the original > question! > > I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul solution. 20 > megs > both ways will do just fine for now. > > What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. Something > less > than $3000 if it's at all possible. > > I know about the MT gear. I''ve already used one. And I REALLY > like the > Airaya gear it'll replace. I'm just wondering what people are using > and > liking. I don't want any unproven brand new gear. Or something > too cheap > like an 802.11a ap and client setup. > > thanks, > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Butch Evans" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > >> On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote: >>> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have >>> any FCC >>> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. >>> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on >>> board >>> wireless. >> >> You are half correct. The Crossroads does have a built-in radio. >> The >> RB411 does not. There IS a RB411R that has a built-in radio >> (2.4GHz). >> >> -- >> >> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >> * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * >> * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 "When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
If there's any chance of your ever wanting more bandwidth, I'd not go to 3.65 for the link. However, our experience with Redline is pretty good too. We don't use them these days but if I weren't happy with Alvarion, that's where I'd go for relatively low cost back haul links. I say "relatively" because it's neither will be as cheap as a 'tik solution nor as expensive as going DragonWave or Ceregon, which are overkill for your application. Chuck On Sep 16, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Marlon - looked into Redline an80i 3.65? It's like 3k for the low > speed key of 14 megs and maybe 4k for something more like 40 megs. > You can upgrade from low to high speed key later at no dollar penalty. > Keep in mind low speed is 7mhz and high speed is 20mhz. > > On 9/16/09, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the original >> question! >> >> I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul solution. 20 >> megs >> both ways will do just fine for now. >> >> What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. >> Something less >> than $3000 if it's at all possible. >> >> I know about the MT gear. I''ve already used one. And I REALLY >> like the >> Airaya gear it'll replace. I'm just wondering what people are >> using and >> liking. I don't want any unproven brand new gear. Or something >> too cheap >> like an 802.11a ap and client setup. >> >> thanks, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Butch Evans" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> >>> On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote: >>>> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have >>>> any FCC >>>> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. >>>> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have >>>> on >>>> board >>>> wireless. >>> >>> You are half correct. The Crossroads does have a built-in radio. >>> The >>> RB411 does not. There IS a RB411R that has a built-in radio >>> (2.4GHz). >>> >>> -- >>> >>> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >>> * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * >>> * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >>> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 "When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
As I linked to previously, there is a search feature on the FCC site. It lists 20+ certifications for RouterBoard product, as I previously posted, including R52H, R52, R52N, R5H, etc. This is what I emailed back on 9/14: Go to: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm Put in Mikrotik for the applicant name. You will see their modular approval listed for their various products. R52, R52-350 (R52H),R2N, R52N, RB/411AR, R5H, etc. To get more into detail about the antennas, you will need to look at all the exhibits listed to find the different antenna models. This has been explained many times over on multiple forums and lists. MikroTik does not sell complete systems to users in the US. Distributors may take it upon themselves to do so, but then that makes the distributor then liable. QuickLink (our distribution company) and many other distributors do not create complete systems, however we offer kits for this prime reason. As a result, the kit does not have to be certified. The best forum posting I have seen that explains this explicitly is: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18064508-Re-Mikrotik-FCC-Identification It provides direct references to FCC rules. It also explains more or less why these units are allowed to be imported and sold in the US. I'm no longer posting to this thread as people fail to do their own research and continue to play devil's advocate to consistently attack certain products. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi Chuck- I already said that the FCC site only shows tests for the Crossroads, the 411 and a couple of cards. That is all that is on the site. I posted links to exact things. If you know of other products (that are not just variations of the same wireless card) then PLEASE post exact links. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices The test results are available on the FCC website. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Sorry Eje- No need for personal criticism. If you don't like the discussion, then press delete- but don't try to silence me. What I would like to see happen is for MT to show us the testing. They shouldn't have anything to hide. As has been said before, no one can know whether it was actually tested before or not and whether it passed or not unless it is marked as such or the results are published. Other manufacturers do it so why should they be any different. They should be up front with all the info or else people will be left to draw their own conclusions. I am a MT user, have been using the 386 stuff in PCs for years and years now and our entire network is built around it, so I am not anti MT and I certainly would not spread FUD. I for one would love to know how they tested and to what standard (A or B computing device) because we might consider using the boards more if we knew how they were intended to be used. If you are selling their equipment, perhaps you could ask them to publish the test results. Best wishes Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Time to stop this thread since your just spreading FUD.. Read my other posts. All MikroTik products do have the appropriate FCC certification and/or testing done on them. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:13 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to. I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known supplier of pre-cased RBs There are no markings on the case about compliance with any rule or any FCC numbers at all. There is nothing that says FCC on the top of the RB inside either. I did not remove the board and look underneath. As far as where you go to see if it is certified or not, I don't know all the places, but there is usually a sticker that gives the details about the certification. You can also check the FCC fil
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Marlon, I haven't seen every post on this thread but have been keeping eye on it at a distance... Why would you not want to use a MT solution for about $500 for the link with the ability to easily go 30/60MB depending on 20/40Mhz channel. I'd say its proven there are a multitude of people that use the gear for backhaul on this list and any of them will tell you its a solid performer. Is it the absolute most reliable rock solid gear available? Depends who you ask. I've had MT gear running I've forgotten about for many years without a hickup. Also had some that has to be replaced a bit more than other solutions might need to be due to ethernet sensitiity - depends on how & where its installed. But, considering the alternative prices you could get an awful lot more for your money with this solution. You could even put in two radios on each side and link them together using on of many different ways for redundancy - still at a fraction of the cost of other solutions. The positive side is your price range is very realistic for that throughput - you have many good solid choices you won't go wrong with most of which has been discussed on this list already. I'll give you one more... I have an external trango Atlas link coming down in about a week I can part with ;) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:57 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the original question! > > I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul solution. 20 megs > both ways will do just fine for now. > > What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. Something less > than $3000 if it's at all possible. > > I know about the MT gear. I''ve already used one. And I REALLY like the > Airaya gear it'll replace. I'm just wondering what people are using and > liking. I don't want any unproven brand new gear. Or something too cheap > like an 802.11a ap and client setup. > > thanks, > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Butch Evans" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > > > On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote: > >> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC > >> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. > >> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on > >> board > >> wireless. > > > > You are half correct. The Crossroads does have a built-in radio. The > > RB411 does not. There IS a RB411R that has a built-in radio (2.4GHz). > > > > -- > > > > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* > > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * > > * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * > > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Assuming you can get 40mhz of 5ghz spectrum and not need it anymore, MT is great and it's cheap. Finding that 40mhz is your major concern. I am running two backhauls, each with two pairs of radios (that's 40mhz of spectrum) and they're 99% awesome. Don't use the 532/333 (433ah IMO) or dual nstreme (use Butch's pseudo fdx OSPF) and you'll get that .999%. On 9/16/09, Scott Carullo wrote: > > Marlon, > > I haven't seen every post on this thread but have been keeping eye on it at > a distance... > > Why would you not want to use a MT solution for about $500 for the link > with the ability to easily go 30/60MB depending on 20/40Mhz channel. I'd > say its proven there are a multitude of people that use the gear for > backhaul on this list and any of them will tell you its a solid performer. > Is it the absolute most reliable rock solid gear available? Depends who > you ask. I've had MT gear running I've forgotten about for many years > without a hickup. Also had some that has to be replaced a bit more than > other solutions might need to be due to ethernet sensitiity - depends on > how & where its installed. > > But, considering the alternative prices you could get an awful lot more for > your money with this solution. You could even put in two radios on each > side and link them together using on of many different ways for redundancy > - still at a fraction of the cost of other solutions. > > The positive side is your price range is very realistic for that throughput > - you have many good solid choices you won't go wrong with most of which > has been discussed on this list already. I'll give you one more... I have > an external trango Atlas link coming down in about a week I can part with > ;) > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > -------- Original Message >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:57 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the original > question! >> >> I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul solution. 20 megs > >> both ways will do just fine for now. >> >> What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. Something less > >> than $3000 if it's at all possible. >> >> I know about the MT gear. I''ve already used one. And I REALLY like the > >> Airaya gear it'll replace. I'm just wondering what people are using and > >> liking. I don't want any unproven brand new gear. Or something too > cheap >> like an 802.11a ap and client setup. >> >> thanks, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Butch Evans" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> >> > On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote: >> >> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any > FCC >> >> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. >> >> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on >> >> board >> >> wireless. >> > >> > You are half correct. The Crossroads does have a built-in radio. The >> > RB411 does not. There IS a RB411R that has a built-in radio (2.4GHz). >> > >> > -- >> > >> > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >> > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * >> > * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >> > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > > >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> > -
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
I don't recall the distances you needed to run, but we've had really good luck with the Solectek Skyway 7000 products and have quite a few installed as backbone PTP links. I believe they are in the price range you are looking at. Bret Josh Luthman wrote: Assuming you can get 40mhz of 5ghz spectrum and not need it anymore, MT is great and it's cheap. Finding that 40mhz is your major concern. I am running two backhauls, each with two pairs of radios (that's 40mhz of spectrum) and they're 99% awesome. Don't use the 532/333 (433ah IMO) or dual nstreme (use Butch's pseudo fdx OSPF) and you'll get that .999%. On 9/16/09, Scott Carullo wrote: Marlon, I haven't seen every post on this thread but have been keeping eye on it at a distance... Why would you not want to use a MT solution for about $500 for the link with the ability to easily go 30/60MB depending on 20/40Mhz channel. I'd say its proven there are a multitude of people that use the gear for backhaul on this list and any of them will tell you its a solid performer. Is it the absolute most reliable rock solid gear available? Depends who you ask. I've had MT gear running I've forgotten about for many years without a hickup. Also had some that has to be replaced a bit more than other solutions might need to be due to ethernet sensitiity - depends on how & where its installed. But, considering the alternative prices you could get an awful lot more for your money with this solution. You could even put in two radios on each side and link them together using on of many different ways for redundancy - still at a fraction of the cost of other solutions. The positive side is your price range is very realistic for that throughput - you have many good solid choices you won't go wrong with most of which has been discussed on this list already. I'll give you one more... I have an external trango Atlas link coming down in about a week I can part with ;) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: "Marlon K. Schafer" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:57 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the original question! I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul solution. 20 megs both ways will do just fine for now. What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. Something less than $3000 if it's at all possible. I know about the MT gear. I''ve already used one. And I REALLY like the Airaya gear it'll replace. I'm just wondering what people are using and liking. I don't want any unproven brand new gear. Or something too cheap like an 802.11a ap and client setup. thanks, marlon ----- Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote: As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board wireless. You are half correct. The Crossroads does have a built-in radio. The RB411 does not. There IS a RB411R that has a built-in radio (2.4GHz). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
If your 5.7 spectrum is crowded, you might consider TrangoLink45's. Hang em and forget em. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:39 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Assuming you can get 40mhz of 5ghz spectrum and not need it anymore, MT is great and it's cheap. Finding that 40mhz is your major concern. I am running two backhauls, each with two pairs of radios (that's 40mhz of spectrum) and they're 99% awesome. Don't use the 532/333 (433ah IMO) or dual nstreme (use Butch's pseudo fdx OSPF) and you'll get that .999%. On 9/16/09, Scott Carullo wrote: > > Marlon, > > I haven't seen every post on this thread but have been keeping eye on it at > a distance... > > Why would you not want to use a MT solution for about $500 for the link > with the ability to easily go 30/60MB depending on 20/40Mhz channel. I'd > say its proven there are a multitude of people that use the gear for > backhaul on this list and any of them will tell you its a solid performer. > Is it the absolute most reliable rock solid gear available? Depends who > you ask. I've had MT gear running I've forgotten about for many years > without a hickup. Also had some that has to be replaced a bit more than > other solutions might need to be due to ethernet sensitiity - depends on > how & where its installed. > > But, considering the alternative prices you could get an awful lot more for > your money with this solution. You could even put in two radios on each > side and link them together using on of many different ways for redundancy > - still at a fraction of the cost of other solutions. > > The positive side is your price range is very realistic for that throughput > - you have many good solid choices you won't go wrong with most of which > has been discussed on this list already. I'll give you one more... I have > an external trango Atlas link coming down in about a week I can part with > ;) > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > Original Message >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:57 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the original > question! >> >> I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul solution. 20 megs > >> both ways will do just fine for now. >> >> What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. Something less > >> than $3000 if it's at all possible. >> >> I know about the MT gear. I''ve already used one. And I REALLY like the > >> Airaya gear it'll replace. I'm just wondering what people are using and > >> liking. I don't want any unproven brand new gear. Or something too > cheap >> like an 802.11a ap and client setup. >> >> thanks, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Butch Evans" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> >> > On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote: >> >> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any > FCC >> >> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. >> >> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on >> >> board >> >> wireless. >> > >> > You are half correct. The Crossroads does have a built-in radio. The >> > RB411 does not. There IS a RB411R that has a built-in radio (2.4GHz). >> > >> > -- >> > >> > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >> > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * >> > * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >> > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >
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I'd do a trango45 link, with 2' dual polarity dishes. That'd be the most flexible for 5.4-5.8 approved. You could also use used Alvarion gear like a b28 set or VL-AU and SU-54 and come in under the budget. We've also got in service Alvarion B14 (slightly slow), Mikrotik based links, and now a Solectek Excel (slightly over your budget perhaps) link. On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 03:57:37PM -0700, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the original question! > > I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul solution. 20 megs > both ways will do just fine for now. > > What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. Something less > than $3000 if it's at all possible. > > I know about the MT gear. I''ve already used one. And I REALLY like the > Airaya gear it'll replace. I'm just wondering what people are using and > liking. I don't want any unproven brand new gear. Or something too cheap > like an 802.11a ap and client setup. > > thanks, > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Butch Evans" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > > > On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote: > >> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC > >> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. > >> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on > >> board > >> wireless. > > > > You are half correct. The Crossroads does have a built-in radio. The > > RB411 does not. There IS a RB411R that has a built-in radio (2.4GHz). > > > > -- > > > > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* > > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * > > * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * > > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Believe this is in the documentation MT provides. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 14:47 -0600, 3-dB Networks wrote: > I really haven't followed this thread that closely... but with this much > confusion... Mikrotik should probably explain how and why they are FCC > legal. Most manufacturers put at the end of their user manuals a detailed > explanation of their regulatory compliance... Mikrotik should take the time > to do the same A call for Mikrotik to document something? Hmmm. ;-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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You can do 30+ meg with a 20mhz A link without issues, for the cheap. Don't remember how far you go, but with proper antennas, 10 miles is no prob and under 1k without issues. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the original question! I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul solution. 20 megs both ways will do just fine for now. What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. Something less than $3000 if it's at all possible. I know about the MT gear. I''ve already used one. And I REALLY like the Airaya gear it'll replace. I'm just wondering what people are using and liking. I don't want any unproven brand new gear. Or something too cheap like an 802.11a ap and client setup. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote: >> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC >> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. >> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on >> board >> wireless. > > You are half correct. The Crossroads does have a built-in radio. The > RB411 does not. There IS a RB411R that has a built-in radio (2.4GHz). > > -- > > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * > * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Distributors, http://store.jeffcosoho.com, a WISPA vendor member, DO have the ability to sell FCC Mikrotik CERTIFED SYSTEMS! These include the FCC sticker that is required as well as the information you guys have asked about already! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices As I linked to previously, there is a search feature on the FCC site. It lists 20+ certifications for RouterBoard product, as I previously posted, including R52H, R52, R52N, R5H, etc. This is what I emailed back on 9/14: Go to: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm Put in Mikrotik for the applicant name. You will see their modular approval listed for their various products. R52, R52-350 (R52H),R2N, R52N, RB/411AR, R5H, etc. To get more into detail about the antennas, you will need to look at all the exhibits listed to find the different antenna models. This has been explained many times over on multiple forums and lists. MikroTik does not sell complete systems to users in the US. Distributors may take it upon themselves to do so, but then that makes the distributor then liable. QuickLink (our distribution company) and many other distributors do not create complete systems, however we offer kits for this prime reason. As a result, the kit does not have to be certified. The best forum posting I have seen that explains this explicitly is: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18064508-Re-Mikrotik-FCC-Identification It provides direct references to FCC rules. It also explains more or less why these units are allowed to be imported and sold in the US. I'm no longer posting to this thread as people fail to do their own research and continue to play devil's advocate to consistently attack certain products. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Hi Chuck- I already said that the FCC site only shows tests for the Crossroads, the 411 and a couple of cards. That is all that is on the site. I posted links to exact things. If you know of other products (that are not just variations of the same wireless card) then PLEASE post exact links. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices The test results are available on the FCC website. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Sorry Eje- No need for personal criticism. If you don't like the discussion, then press delete- but don't try to silence me. What I would like to see happen is for MT to show us the testing. They shouldn't have anything to hide. As has been said before, no one can know whether it was actually tested before or not and whether it passed or not unless it is marked as such or the results are published. Other manufacturers do it so why should they be any different. They should be up front with all the info or else people will be left to draw their own conclusions. I am a MT user, have been using the 386 stuff in PCs for years and years now and our entire network is built around it, so I am not anti MT and I certainly would not spread FUD. I for one would love to know how they tested and to what standard (A or B computing device) because we might consider using the boards more if we knew how they were intended to be used. If you are selling their equipment, perhaps you could ask them to publish the test results. Best wishes Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Time to stop this thread since your just spreading FUD.. Read my other posts. All MikroTik products do have the appropriate FCC certification and/or testing done on them. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:13 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to. I have in my hand a 433AH in a c
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
OSPF Full duplex is no biggy, anyone can do it and is well documented, but I don't think he needs that. I would just put up a link and be happy! Keep in mind, installation is key to a quality and reliable link! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:39 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Assuming you can get 40mhz of 5ghz spectrum and not need it anymore, MT is great and it's cheap. Finding that 40mhz is your major concern. I am running two backhauls, each with two pairs of radios (that's 40mhz of spectrum) and they're 99% awesome. Don't use the 532/333 (433ah IMO) or dual nstreme (use Butch's pseudo fdx OSPF) and you'll get that .999%. On 9/16/09, Scott Carullo wrote: > > Marlon, > > I haven't seen every post on this thread but have been keeping eye on it at > a distance... > > Why would you not want to use a MT solution for about $500 for the link > with the ability to easily go 30/60MB depending on 20/40Mhz channel. I'd > say its proven there are a multitude of people that use the gear for > backhaul on this list and any of them will tell you its a solid performer. > Is it the absolute most reliable rock solid gear available? Depends who > you ask. I've had MT gear running I've forgotten about for many years > without a hickup. Also had some that has to be replaced a bit more than > other solutions might need to be due to ethernet sensitiity - depends on > how & where its installed. > > But, considering the alternative prices you could get an awful lot more for > your money with this solution. You could even put in two radios on each > side and link them together using on of many different ways for redundancy > - still at a fraction of the cost of other solutions. > > The positive side is your price range is very realistic for that throughput > - you have many good solid choices you won't go wrong with most of which > has been discussed on this list already. I'll give you one more... I have > an external trango Atlas link coming down in about a week I can part with > ;) > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > Original Message >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:57 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the original > question! >> >> I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul solution. 20 megs > >> both ways will do just fine for now. >> >> What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. Something less > >> than $3000 if it's at all possible. >> >> I know about the MT gear. I''ve already used one. And I REALLY like the > >> Airaya gear it'll replace. I'm just wondering what people are using and > >> liking. I don't want any unproven brand new gear. Or something too > cheap >> like an 802.11a ap and client setup. >> >> thanks, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Butch Evans" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> >> > On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote: >> >> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any > FCC >> >> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. >> >> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on >> >> board >> >> wireless. >> > >> > You are half correct. The Crossroads does have a built-in radio. The >> > RB411 does not. There IS a RB411R that has a built-in radio (2.4GHz). >> > >> > -- >> > >> > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >> > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * >> > * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >> > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > &
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
So the three lock ups on my links while using dual nstreme were just a coincidentally solved by changing the config..? On 9/17/09, Dennis Burgess wrote: > OSPF Full duplex is no biggy, anyone can do it and is well documented, > but I don't think he needs that. I would just put up a link and be > happy! Keep in mind, installation is key to a quality and reliable > link! > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:39 PM > To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Assuming you can get 40mhz of 5ghz spectrum and not need it anymore, > MT is great and it's cheap. Finding that 40mhz is your major concern. > > I am running two backhauls, each with two pairs of radios (that's > 40mhz of spectrum) and they're 99% awesome. Don't use the 532/333 > (433ah IMO) or dual nstreme (use Butch's pseudo fdx OSPF) and you'll > get that .999%. > > On 9/16/09, Scott Carullo wrote: >> >> Marlon, >> >> I haven't seen every post on this thread but have been keeping eye on > it at >> a distance... >> >> Why would you not want to use a MT solution for about $500 for the > link >> with the ability to easily go 30/60MB depending on 20/40Mhz channel. > I'd >> say its proven there are a multitude of people that use the gear for >> backhaul on this list and any of them will tell you its a solid > performer. >> Is it the absolute most reliable rock solid gear available? Depends > who >> you ask. I've had MT gear running I've forgotten about for many years >> without a hickup. Also had some that has to be replaced a bit more > than >> other solutions might need to be due to ethernet sensitiity - depends > on >> how & where its installed. >> >> But, considering the alternative prices you could get an awful lot > more for >> your money with this solution. You could even put in two radios on > each >> side and link them together using on of many different ways for > redundancy >> - still at a fraction of the cost of other solutions. >> >> The positive side is your price range is very realistic for that > throughput >> - you have many good solid choices you won't go wrong with most of > which >> has been discussed on this list already. I'll give you one more... I > have >> an external trango Atlas link coming down in about a week I can part > with >> ;) >> >> Scott Carullo >> Brevard Wireless >> 321-205-1100 x102 >> >> Original Message >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:57 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the original >> question! >>> >>> I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul solution. 20 > megs >> >>> both ways will do just fine for now. >>> >>> What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. Something > less >> >>> than $3000 if it's at all possible. >>> >>> I know about the MT gear. I''ve already used one. And I REALLY like > the >> >>> Airaya gear it'll replace. I'm just wondering what people are using > and >> >>> liking. I don't want any unproven brand new gear. Or something too >> cheap >>> like an 802.11a ap and client setup. >>> >>> thanks, >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Butch Evans" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> >>> > On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote: >>> >> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have > any >> FCC >>> >> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. >>> >> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have > on >>> >> board >>> >> wireless. >>> > >>> > You are half correct. The Crossroads does have a built-in radio. > The >>> > RB411 does not. There IS a RB411R that has a built-in radio > (2.4GHz). >>> > >>> > -- >>
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Don't know what that means? I am assuming that you had some lockups while using dual nstream. Don't think that was part of the conversation. I was just saying that doing a Full Duplex OSPF or Static-Routed link is well documented. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices So the three lock ups on my links while using dual nstreme were just a coincidentally solved by changing the config..? On 9/17/09, Dennis Burgess wrote: > OSPF Full duplex is no biggy, anyone can do it and is well documented, > but I don't think he needs that. I would just put up a link and be > happy! Keep in mind, installation is key to a quality and reliable > link! > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:39 PM > To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Assuming you can get 40mhz of 5ghz spectrum and not need it anymore, > MT is great and it's cheap. Finding that 40mhz is your major concern. > > I am running two backhauls, each with two pairs of radios (that's > 40mhz of spectrum) and they're 99% awesome. Don't use the 532/333 > (433ah IMO) or dual nstreme (use Butch's pseudo fdx OSPF) and you'll > get that .999%. > > On 9/16/09, Scott Carullo wrote: >> >> Marlon, >> >> I haven't seen every post on this thread but have been keeping eye on > it at >> a distance... >> >> Why would you not want to use a MT solution for about $500 for the > link >> with the ability to easily go 30/60MB depending on 20/40Mhz channel. > I'd >> say its proven there are a multitude of people that use the gear for >> backhaul on this list and any of them will tell you its a solid > performer. >> Is it the absolute most reliable rock solid gear available? Depends > who >> you ask. I've had MT gear running I've forgotten about for many years >> without a hickup. Also had some that has to be replaced a bit more > than >> other solutions might need to be due to ethernet sensitiity - depends > on >> how & where its installed. >> >> But, considering the alternative prices you could get an awful lot > more for >> your money with this solution. You could even put in two radios on > each >> side and link them together using on of many different ways for > redundancy >> - still at a fraction of the cost of other solutions. >> >> The positive side is your price range is very realistic for that > throughput >> - you have many good solid choices you won't go wrong with most of > which >> has been discussed on this list already. I'll give you one more... I > have >> an external trango Atlas link coming down in about a week I can part > with >> ;) >> >> Scott Carullo >> Brevard Wireless >> 321-205-1100 x102 >> >> Original Message >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:57 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the original >> question! >>> >>> I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul solution. 20 > megs >> >>> both ways will do just fine for now. >>> >>> What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. Something > less >> >>> than $3000 if it's at all possible. >>> >>> I know about the MT gear. I''ve already used one. And I REALLY like > the >> >>> Airaya gear it'll replace. I'm just wondering what people are using > and >> >>> liking. I don't want any unproven brand new gear. Or something too >> cheap >>> like an 802.11a ap and client setup. >>> >>> thanks, >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Butch Evans" >>> To: "WISPA Gener
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
I am suggesting don't use dual nstreme as it causes lock ups. Use OSPF to create a pseudo FDX bridge between two links. Personally done with 1 RB and 2 radios on each side, but could work with 1 RB and four bullets/comparable (just need to make sure they're true bridges). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > Don't know what that means? I am assuming that you had some lockups > while using dual nstream. Don't think that was part of the > conversation. I was just saying that doing a Full Duplex OSPF or > Static-Routed link is well documented. > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:12 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > So the three lock ups on my links while using dual nstreme were just a > coincidentally solved by changing the config..? > > On 9/17/09, Dennis Burgess wrote: > > OSPF Full duplex is no biggy, anyone can do it and is well documented, > > but I don't think he needs that. I would just put up a link and be > > happy! Keep in mind, installation is key to a quality and reliable > > link! > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:39 PM > > To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > > > Assuming you can get 40mhz of 5ghz spectrum and not need it anymore, > > MT is great and it's cheap. Finding that 40mhz is your major concern. > > > > I am running two backhauls, each with two pairs of radios (that's > > 40mhz of spectrum) and they're 99% awesome. Don't use the 532/333 > > (433ah IMO) or dual nstreme (use Butch's pseudo fdx OSPF) and you'll > > get that .999%. > > > > On 9/16/09, Scott Carullo wrote: > >> > >> Marlon, > >> > >> I haven't seen every post on this thread but have been keeping eye on > > it at > >> a distance... > >> > >> Why would you not want to use a MT solution for about $500 for the > > link > >> with the ability to easily go 30/60MB depending on 20/40Mhz channel. > > I'd > >> say its proven there are a multitude of people that use the gear for > >> backhaul on this list and any of them will tell you its a solid > > performer. > >> Is it the absolute most reliable rock solid gear available? Depends > > who > >> you ask. I've had MT gear running I've forgotten about for many > years > >> without a hickup. Also had some that has to be replaced a bit more > > than > >> other solutions might need to be due to ethernet sensitiity - depends > > on > >> how & where its installed. > >> > >> But, considering the alternative prices you could get an awful lot > > more for > >> your money with this solution. You could even put in two radios on > > each > >> side and link them together using on of many different ways for > > redundancy > >> - still at a fraction of the cost of other solutions. > >> > >> The positive side is your price range is very realistic for that > > throughput > >> - you have many good solid choices you won't go wrong with most of > > which > >> has been discussed on this list already. I'll give you one more... > I > > have > >> an external trango Atlas link coming down in about a week I can part > > with > >> ;) > >> > >> Scott Carullo > >> Brevard Wireless > >> 321-205-1100 x102 > >> > >> Original Message > >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" > >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:57 PM > >>> To: "WISPA General List&qu
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
I've heard the same thing over in the Mikrotik forums. The solution they had is the same as Josh here says. It tends to fall on its face at times although I never tried it for myself. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices I am suggesting don't use dual nstreme as it causes lock ups. Use OSPF to create a pseudo FDX bridge between two links. Personally done with 1 RB and 2 radios on each side, but could work with 1 RB and four bullets/comparable (just need to make sure they're true bridges). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > Don't know what that means? I am assuming that you had some lockups > while using dual nstream. Don't think that was part of the > conversation. I was just saying that doing a Full Duplex OSPF or > Static-Routed link is well documented. > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:12 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > So the three lock ups on my links while using dual nstreme were just a > coincidentally solved by changing the config..? > > On 9/17/09, Dennis Burgess wrote: > > OSPF Full duplex is no biggy, anyone can do it and is well documented, > > but I don't think he needs that. I would just put up a link and be > > happy! Keep in mind, installation is key to a quality and reliable > > link! > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:39 PM > > To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > > > Assuming you can get 40mhz of 5ghz spectrum and not need it anymore, > > MT is great and it's cheap. Finding that 40mhz is your major concern. > > > > I am running two backhauls, each with two pairs of radios (that's > > 40mhz of spectrum) and they're 99% awesome. Don't use the 532/333 > > (433ah IMO) or dual nstreme (use Butch's pseudo fdx OSPF) and you'll > > get that .999%. > > > > On 9/16/09, Scott Carullo wrote: > >> > >> Marlon, > >> > >> I haven't seen every post on this thread but have been keeping eye on > > it at > >> a distance... > >> > >> Why would you not want to use a MT solution for about $500 for the > > link > >> with the ability to easily go 30/60MB depending on 20/40Mhz channel. > > I'd > >> say its proven there are a multitude of people that use the gear for > >> backhaul on this list and any of them will tell you its a solid > > performer. > >> Is it the absolute most reliable rock solid gear available? Depends > > who > >> you ask. I've had MT gear running I've forgotten about for many > years > >> without a hickup. Also had some that has to be replaced a bit more > > than > >> other solutions might need to be due to ethernet sensitiity - depends > > on > >> how & where its installed. > >> > >> But, considering the alternative prices you could get an awful lot > > more for > >> your money with this solution. You could even put in two radios on > > each > >> side and link them together using on of many different ways for > > redundancy > >> - still at a fraction of the cost of other solutions. > >> > >> The positive side is your price range is very realistic for that > > throughput > >> - you have many good solid choices you won't go wrong with most of > > which > >> has been discussed on this list already. I'll give you one more... > I > > have > >> an external trango Atlas
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>It tends to fall on its face at times although I never tried it for myself. What is "it"? Referring to dual nstreme? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Robert West wrote: > I've heard the same thing over in the Mikrotik forums. The solution they > had is the same as Josh here says. It tends to fall on its face at times > although I never tried it for myself. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:26 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > I am suggesting don't use dual nstreme as it causes lock ups. > > Use OSPF to create a pseudo FDX bridge between two links. Personally done > with 1 RB and 2 radios on each side, but could work with 1 RB and four > bullets/comparable (just need to make sure they're true bridges). > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Dennis Burgess > wrote: > > > Don't know what that means? I am assuming that you had some lockups > > while using dual nstream. Don't think that was part of the > > conversation. I was just saying that doing a Full Duplex OSPF or > > Static-Routed link is well documented. > > > > --- > > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > WISPA Vendor Member > > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:12 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > > > So the three lock ups on my links while using dual nstreme were just a > > coincidentally solved by changing the config..? > > > > On 9/17/09, Dennis Burgess wrote: > > > OSPF Full duplex is no biggy, anyone can do it and is well documented, > > > but I don't think he needs that. I would just put up a link and be > > > happy! Keep in mind, installation is key to a quality and reliable > > > link! > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > On > > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:39 PM > > > To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > > > > > Assuming you can get 40mhz of 5ghz spectrum and not need it anymore, > > > MT is great and it's cheap. Finding that 40mhz is your major concern. > > > > > > I am running two backhauls, each with two pairs of radios (that's > > > 40mhz of spectrum) and they're 99% awesome. Don't use the 532/333 > > > (433ah IMO) or dual nstreme (use Butch's pseudo fdx OSPF) and you'll > > > get that .999%. > > > > > > On 9/16/09, Scott Carullo wrote: > > >> > > >> Marlon, > > >> > > >> I haven't seen every post on this thread but have been keeping eye on > > > it at > > >> a distance... > > >> > > >> Why would you not want to use a MT solution for about $500 for the > > > link > > >> with the ability to easily go 30/60MB depending on 20/40Mhz channel. > > > I'd > > >> say its proven there are a multitude of people that use the gear for > > >> backhaul on this list and any of them will tell you its a solid > > > performer. > > >> Is it the absolute most reliable rock solid gear available? Depends > > > who > > >> you ask. I've had MT gear running I've forgotten about for many > > years > > >> without a hickup. Also had some that has
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Yeah, locks up. But again, I haven't tried it but from what I've read I'll pass on it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >It tends to fall on its face at times although I never tried it for myself. What is "it"? Referring to dual nstreme? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Robert West wrote: > I've heard the same thing over in the Mikrotik forums. The solution they > had is the same as Josh here says. It tends to fall on its face at times > although I never tried it for myself. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:26 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > I am suggesting don't use dual nstreme as it causes lock ups. > > Use OSPF to create a pseudo FDX bridge between two links. Personally done > with 1 RB and 2 radios on each side, but could work with 1 RB and four > bullets/comparable (just need to make sure they're true bridges). > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Dennis Burgess > wrote: > > > Don't know what that means? I am assuming that you had some lockups > > while using dual nstream. Don't think that was part of the > > conversation. I was just saying that doing a Full Duplex OSPF or > > Static-Routed link is well documented. > > > > --- > > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > WISPA Vendor Member > > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:12 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > > > So the three lock ups on my links while using dual nstreme were just a > > coincidentally solved by changing the config..? > > > > On 9/17/09, Dennis Burgess wrote: > > > OSPF Full duplex is no biggy, anyone can do it and is well documented, > > > but I don't think he needs that. I would just put up a link and be > > > happy! Keep in mind, installation is key to a quality and reliable > > > link! > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > On > > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:39 PM > > > To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > > > > > Assuming you can get 40mhz of 5ghz spectrum and not need it anymore, > > > MT is great and it's cheap. Finding that 40mhz is your major concern. > > > > > > I am running two backhauls, each with two pairs of radios (that's > > > 40mhz of spectrum) and they're 99% awesome. Don't use the 532/333 > > > (433ah IMO) or dual nstreme (use Butch's pseudo fdx OSPF) and you'll > > > get that .999%. > > > > > > On 9/16/09, Scott Carullo wrote: > > >> > > >> Marlon, > > >> > > >> I haven't seen every post on this thread but have been keeping eye on > > > it at > > >> a distance... > > >> > > >> Why would you not want to use a MT solution for about $500 for the > > > link > > >> with the ability to easily go 30/60MB depending on 20/40Mhz channel. > > > I'd > > >> say its proven there are a multitude of people that use the gear for > > >> backhaul on this list and any of t
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Good for weeks or months. Terrible for a long term link. Have Butch set it up in a few minutes or read the documentation and get it going yourself. Well worth it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Robert West wrote: > Yeah, locks up. But again, I haven't tried it but from what I've read I'll > pass on it. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:03 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > >It tends to fall on its face at times although I never tried it for > myself. > > What is "it"? Referring to dual nstreme? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Robert West > wrote: > > > I've heard the same thing over in the Mikrotik forums. The solution they > > had is the same as Josh here says. It tends to fall on its face at times > > although I never tried it for myself. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:26 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > > > I am suggesting don't use dual nstreme as it causes lock ups. > > > > Use OSPF to create a pseudo FDX bridge between two links. Personally > done > > with 1 RB and 2 radios on each side, but could work with 1 RB and four > > bullets/comparable (just need to make sure they're true bridges). > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > > improbable, must be the truth." > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Dennis Burgess > > wrote: > > > > > Don't know what that means? I am assuming that you had some lockups > > > while using dual nstream. Don't think that was part of the > > > conversation. I was just saying that doing a Full Duplex OSPF or > > > Static-Routed link is well documented. > > > > > > --- > > > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > > > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > > > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > > WISPA Vendor Member > > > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > > > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > > > Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:12 AM > > > To: WISPA General List > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > > > > > So the three lock ups on my links while using dual nstreme were just a > > > coincidentally solved by changing the config..? > > > > > > On 9/17/09, Dennis Burgess wrote: > > > > OSPF Full duplex is no biggy, anyone can do it and is well > documented, > > > > but I don't think he needs that. I would just put up a link and be > > > > happy! Keep in mind, installation is key to a quality and reliable > > > > link! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > > On > > > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:39 PM > > > > To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List > > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > > > > > > > Assuming you can get 40mhz of 5ghz spectrum and not need it anymore, > > > > MT is great and it's cheap. Finding
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 11:23 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: > Have Butch set it up in a few minutes or read the documentation and get it > going yourself. Well worth it. http://blog.butchevans.com/2008/10/using-ospf-to-create-full-duplex-behaviour-for-wireless-links/ I believe it is still on my other website at http://www.butchevans.com/ in an article. Both of these predate the Mikrotik Wiki. I have used this approach many times and it just simply works. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Looks nice. Thanks Butch! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 11:23 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: > Have Butch set it up in a few minutes or read the documentation and get it > going yourself. Well worth it. http://blog.butchevans.com/2008/10/using-ospf-to-create-full-duplex-behaviou r-for-wireless-links/ I believe it is still on my other website at http://www.butchevans.com/ in an article. Both of these predate the Mikrotik Wiki. I have used this approach many times and it just simply works. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
I can't use 3650 out here. We're in an exclusion zone. marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > Marlon - looked into Redline an80i 3.65? It's like 3k for the low > speed key of 14 megs and maybe 4k for something more like 40 megs. > You can upgrade from low to high speed key later at no dollar penalty. > Keep in mind low speed is 7mhz and high speed is 20mhz. > > On 9/16/09, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the original >> question! >> >> I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul solution. 20 megs >> both ways will do just fine for now. >> >> What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. Something less >> than $3000 if it's at all possible. >> >> I know about the MT gear. I''ve already used one. And I REALLY like the >> Airaya gear it'll replace. I'm just wondering what people are using and >> liking. I don't want any unproven brand new gear. Or something too >> cheap >> like an 802.11a ap and client setup. >> >> thanks, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Butch Evans" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> >>> On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote: >>>> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any >>>> FCC >>>> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. >>>> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on >>>> board >>>> wireless. >>> >>> You are half correct. The Crossroads does have a built-in radio. The >>> RB411 does not. There IS a RB411R that has a built-in radio (2.4GHz). >>> >>> -- >>> >>> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >>> * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * >>> * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >>> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Eclusion zone does not mean you cant use it. You have to contact the earth statio operators to get exemptions. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices I can't use 3650 out here. We're in an exclusion zone. marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > Marlon - looked into Redline an80i 3.65? It's like 3k for the low > speed key of 14 megs and maybe 4k for something more like 40 megs. > You can upgrade from low to high speed key later at no dollar penalty. > Keep in mind low speed is 7mhz and high speed is 20mhz. > > On 9/16/09, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the original >> question! >> >> I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul solution. 20 megs >> both ways will do just fine for now. >> >> What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. Something less >> than $3000 if it's at all possible. >> >> I know about the MT gear. I''ve already used one. And I REALLY like the >> Airaya gear it'll replace. I'm just wondering what people are using and >> liking. I don't want any unproven brand new gear. Or something too >> cheap >> like an 802.11a ap and client setup. >> >> thanks, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Butch Evans" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> >>> On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote: >>>> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any >>>> FCC >>>> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. >>>> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on >>>> board >>>> wireless. >>> >>> You are half correct. The Crossroads does have a built-in radio. The >>> RB411 does not. There IS a RB411R that has a built-in radio (2.4GHz). >>> >>> -- >>> >>> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >>> * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * >>> * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >>> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
