Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x

2008-07-24 Thread Jorge Bodden

Matt,

We use it and have had no issues with it.  Since we have to authenticate 
against several authentication mechanisms, we send the auth packet to a 
radius server (Funk), who then passes is through to the proper mechanism 
(LDAP, AD, proxy).  Also, please note that this is how we authenticated 
users (and still do) for our VPN users/clients so we never had to 
re-invent that spoke on the wheel.  

If you have any questions about details, please send me an email off 
line, and I would be more than happy to help out.


Thanks.

Jorge Bodden

Jenkins, Matthew wrote:


How many others are doing 802.1x in a Cisco LWAPP environment?  Have 
you had success with it, or would you recommend another route for 
authentication?  Currently we are using VPNs over our secure wireless 
and I am investigating whether we would be ahead to start using 802.1x 
coupled with WPA.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.


 


Thanks,

 


Matt

 


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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x

2008-07-24 Thread Lee H Badman
We do it with WiSMs. WPA (greatest compatibility), TKIP, MS-CHAPv2 with
native Windows/Mac supplicants for general users, and WPA2 for
higher-security specialty networks. We use AD as credential store, and
use ID Engines for supplicant configuration.
 
Here are the biggest hang-ups/issues I see people experience as they
ponder and then support 802.1x:
 
-  Which EAP type to use 
-  Which RADIUS server to use 
-  Which supplicants to allow/support
-  How to get those supplicants properly configured
-  The challenge of getting lots of outdated wireless drivers
updated- very important
 
But- once you get there, is largely a piece of cake to support. After
having done captive portal and VPN, 802.1x is actually easier for us.
But... 802.1x can also get very complex depending on how you choose to
implement. There's simple go/nogo (if in AD then allow onto net) or use
RADIUS attributes and VLAN steering to get very granular on who goes
where and when. The more complex you make it, the harder it can be to
support (like anything)...
 
No specific 802.1x issues with LWAPP found here- although we still have
all of LWAPP's other quirks to contend with.
 
Lee H. Badman
Wireless/Network Engineer
Information Technology and Services
Syracuse University
315 443-3003


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How many others are doing 802.1x in a Cisco LWAPP environment?  Have you
had success with it, or would you recommend another route for
authentication?  Currently we are using VPNs over our secure wireless
and I am investigating whether we would be ahead to start using 802.1x
coupled with WPA.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 
Thanks,
 
Matt
 
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x

2008-07-24 Thread Walt Howd
We're doing 802.1x with LWAPP. We have two controllers, 300 APs and  
average around 1100 concurrent wireless users.


We just switched to 802.1x authentication last year, with great  
success. Previously we ran a network with just WEP and MAC address  
registration. Last summer  we brought a new wireless network up on the  
controllers supporting WPA1 and WPA2 with TKIP and AES enabled. We  
then turned on a captive portal on the legacy network that redirected  
users to a website containing information on the new network and a  
switch over date. The users could choose to see the directions on how  
to switch, or continue using legacy network up until the switchover  
deadline.


A big factor in the 802.1x puzzle that will determine the success of  
your project is your EAP method. We chose PEAPv0 as it had the  
greatest compatibility in our environment and lowest overhead. Hope  
this helps!


Walt

On Jul 24, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Jenkins, Matthew wrote:

How many others are doing 802.1x in a Cisco LWAPP environment?  Have  
you had success with it, or would you recommend another route for  
authentication?  Currently we are using VPNs over our secure  
wireless and I am investigating whether we would be ahead to start  
using 802.1x coupled with WPA.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.


Thanks,

Matt

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x

2008-07-24 Thread Jorge Bodden

Walt,

Good point about the EAP method.

Matt,

Because we have to authenticate several different users, we HAD to use 
EAP-TTLS.  This is probably where you will have to do most of your 
research.  In this case, there aren't really any wrong ways of doing 
things.  You just have to make an educated decision as to what is best 
for you, and move forward.


Thanks.

Jorge Bodden

Walt Howd wrote:
We're doing 802.1x with LWAPP. We have two controllers, 300 APs and 
average around 1100 concurrent wireless users. 

We just switched to 802.1x authentication last year, with great 
success. Previously we ran a network with just WEP and MAC address 
registration. Last summer  we brought a new wireless network up on the 
controllers supporting WPA1 and WPA2 with TKIP and AES enabled. We 
then turned on a captive portal on the legacy network that redirected 
users to a website containing information on the new network and a 
switch over date. The users could choose to see the directions on how 
to switch, or continue using legacy network up until the switchover 
deadline.


A big factor in the 802.1x puzzle that will determine the success of 
your project is your EAP method. We chose PEAPv0 as it had the 
greatest compatibility in our environment and lowest overhead. Hope 
this helps!


Walt

On Jul 24, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Jenkins, Matthew wrote:

How many others are doing 802.1x in a Cisco LWAPP environment?  Have 
you had success with it, or would you recommend another route for 
authentication?  Currently we are using VPNs over our secure wireless 
and I am investigating whether we would be ahead to start using 
802.1x coupled with WPA.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 
Thanks,
 
Matt
 
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x

2008-07-24 Thread Peter P Morrissey
I think the biggest challenge was (and still is to some extent) getting
people to use it and not user our Guest access or PDA access. We don't
require guests configure 1x and not all PDA's can even do 1x. As a
result, sometimes people use the network we provide for that instead of
using the 1x network. It required a major publicity campaign to get
everyone to make the switch. 

 

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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x

 

How many others are doing 802.1x in a Cisco LWAPP environment?  Have you
had success with it, or would you recommend another route for
authentication?  Currently we are using VPNs over our secure wireless
and I am investigating whether we would be ahead to start using 802.1x
coupled with WPA.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.

 

Thanks,

 

Matt

 

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Fairmont State University
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x

2008-07-24 Thread Jenkins, Matthew
Thanks everyone for your quick responses!  As far as the EAP method goes, we 
will primarily be using MS AD to authenticate.  I figured we would use MS IAS 
unless there is something better to sit between MS AD.  I'll have to check out 
Jorge's suggestion of using Funk.
 
We are having a large issue with people wanting to register playstations, pdas, 
and such on the wireless.  Currently we can't do it because our guest network 
is using the basic Cisco auth page.  As far as laptop guests go if we were 
using 802.1x, we can give out temporary 1-day accounts.  However, how is 
everyone handling PDAs and gaming consoles that do not support 802.1x?
 
Thanks,
 
Matt
 
Matthew Jenkins
Network/Server Administrator
Fairmont State University
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I think the biggest challenge was (and still is to some extent) getting people 
to use it and not user our Guest access or PDA access. We don't require guests 
configure 1x and not all PDA's can even do 1x. As a result, sometimes people 
use the network we provide for that instead of using the 1x network. It 
required a major publicity campaign to get everyone to make the switch. 

 

Pete Morrissey

 

 



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Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:01 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x

 

How many others are doing 802.1x in a Cisco LWAPP environment?  Have you had 
success with it, or would you recommend another route for authentication?  
Currently we are using VPNs over our secure wireless and I am investigating 
whether we would be ahead to start using 802.1x coupled with WPA.  Any thoughts 
would be appreciated.

 

Thanks,

 

Matt

 

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Network/Server Administrator
Fairmont State University
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x

2008-07-24 Thread Walt Howd
We're lucky in that we do not allow any device onto the wireless  
network that does not support 802.1x and PEAP.


As a previous poster mentioned, it can be very difficult to stop users  
from using your non-secure networks if they are still available.


This policy would not be viable in all institutions but here we  
provided several months of lead time prior to the switch and heard  
very little grumbling. The message to the institution was that the  
network has to be secure and we can't allow any insecure backdoors.


For gaming consoles we tell students to plug into the wired network.

For PDAs, we recommend devices that do support 802.1x. Later versions  
of Windows Mobile can access the network as well as the new iPhones.


FWIW, we also chose Microsoft IAS over Cisco ACS and use AD as our  
backend. It has worked well with the Cisco controllers. We have even  
done dynamic VLAN assignment based off AD group membership since day  
one and have not had any issues.


Walt

On Jul 24, 2008, at 4:37 PM, Jenkins, Matthew wrote:

Thanks everyone for your quick responses!  As far as the EAP method  
goes, we will primarily be using MS AD to authenticate.  I figured  
we would use MS IAS unless there is something better to sit between  
MS AD.  I'll have to check out Jorge's suggestion of using Funk.


We are having a large issue with people wanting to register  
playstations, pdas, and such on the wireless.  Currently we can't do  
it because our guest network is using the basic Cisco auth page.  As  
far as laptop guests go if we were using 802.1x, we can give out  
temporary 1-day accounts.  However, how is everyone handling PDAs  
and gaming consoles that do not support 802.1x?


Thanks,

Matt

Matthew Jenkins
Network/Server Administrator
Fairmont State University
Visit us online at www.fairmontstate.edu

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Sent: Thu 7/24/2008 4:38 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x

I think the biggest challenge was (and still is to some extent)  
getting people to use it and not user our Guest access or PDA  
access. We don’t require guests configure 1x and not all PDA’s can  
even do 1x. As a result, sometimes people use the network we provide  
for that instead of using the 1x network. It required a major  
publicity campaign to get everyone to make the switch.


Pete Morrissey


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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x

How many others are doing 802.1x in a Cisco LWAPP environment?  Have  
you had success with it, or would you recommend another route for  
authentication?  Currently we are using VPNs over our secure  
wireless and I am investigating whether we would be ahead to start  
using 802.1x coupled with WPA.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.


Thanks,

Matt

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x

2008-07-24 Thread Jenkins, Matthew
Walt, how did you do the dynamic vlan assignment based off groups?  I assume it 
is a radius parameter mapped to the AD group somehow?  Thanks a bunch,
 
Matt
 
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Howd
Sent: Thu 7/24/2008 5:58 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x


We're lucky in that we do not allow any device onto the wireless network that 
does not support 802.1x and PEAP.  

As a previous poster mentioned, it can be very difficult to stop users from 
using your non-secure networks if they are still available.   

This policy would not be viable in all institutions but here we provided 
several months of lead time prior to the switch and heard very little 
grumbling. The message to the institution was that the network has to be 
secure and we can't allow any insecure backdoors.  

For gaming consoles we tell students to plug into the wired network. 

For PDAs, we recommend devices that do support 802.1x. Later versions of 
Windows Mobile can access the network as well as the new iPhones.

FWIW, we also chose Microsoft IAS over Cisco ACS and use AD as our backend. It 
has worked well with the Cisco controllers. We have even done dynamic VLAN 
assignment based off AD group membership since day one and have not had any 
issues.

Walt

On Jul 24, 2008, at 4:37 PM, Jenkins, Matthew wrote:



Thanks everyone for your quick responses!  As far as the EAP method 
goes, we will primarily be using MS AD to authenticate.  I figured we would use 
MS IAS unless there is something better to sit between MS AD.  I'll have to 
check out Jorge's suggestion of using Funk.
 
We are having a large issue with people wanting to register 
playstations, pdas, and such on the wireless.  Currently we can't do it because 
our guest network is using the basic Cisco auth page.  As far as laptop guests 
go if we were using 802.1x, we can give out temporary 1-day accounts.  However, 
how is everyone handling PDAs and gaming consoles that do not support 802.1x?
 
Thanks,
 
Matt
 
Matthew Jenkins
Network/Server Administrator
Fairmont State University
Visit us online at www.fairmontstate.edu 
https://fsmail.fairmontstate.edu/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.fairmontstate.edu/
  
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Sent: Thu 7/24/2008 4:38 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x


I think the biggest challenge was (and still is to some extent) getting 
people to use it and not user our Guest access or PDA access. We don't require 
guests configure 1x and not all PDA's can even do 1x. As a result, sometimes 
people use the network we provide for that instead of using the 1x network. It 
required a major publicity campaign to get everyone to make the switch.

 

Pete Morrissey

 

 




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Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:01 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x

 

How many others are doing 802.1x in a Cisco LWAPP environment?  Have 
you had success with it, or would you recommend another route for 
authentication?  Currently we are using VPNs over our secure wireless and I am 
investigating whether we would be ahead to start using 802.1x coupled with WPA. 
 Any thoughts would be appreciated.

 

Thanks,

 

Matt

 

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Fairmont State University
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http://www.fairmontstate.edu/ 

 

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x

2008-07-24 Thread Walt Howd

Here's the information from Cisco:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/114/dynamicvlan-config.pdf


And here's the docs from our build:

Define remote access policies as follows:
Select New Remote Access Policy
Select Use the Wizard
Policy Name:
Cisco Wireless Student User / Checkout Laptop Policy
Access Method:

Wireless
Group:
DOMAIN\Students
DOMAIN\Wireless Checkout Laptops

EAP Type:
Protected EAP (PEAP)
Configure

Select valid cert from ipsCA
Enabled Fast Reconnect: Checked

Select Edit at the bottom

Number of authentication retries: 5
Allow clients to change password after it has expired: Checked

Click Ok, Next, Finish.

Select Edit Profile

Select the Advanced tab:

Select Add

Add the following attributes

Tunnel-Medium-Type: 802.
Tunnel-Pvt-Group-ID: VLANID (208 in this case)
Tunnel-Type: VLAN


On Jul 24, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Jenkins, Matthew wrote:

Walt, how did you do the dynamic vlan assignment based off groups?   
I assume it is a radius parameter mapped to the AD group somehow?   
Thanks a bunch,


Matt

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Fairmont State University
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Sent: Thu 7/24/2008 5:58 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x


We're lucky in that we do not allow any device onto the wireless  
network that does not support 802.1x and PEAP.


As a previous poster mentioned, it can be very difficult to stop  
users from using your non-secure networks if they are still available.


This policy would not be viable in all institutions but here we  
provided several months of lead time prior to the switch and heard  
very little grumbling. The message to the institution was that the  
network has to be secure and we can't allow any insecure backdoors.


For gaming consoles we tell students to plug into the wired network.

For PDAs, we recommend devices that do support 802.1x. Later  
versions of Windows Mobile can access the network as well as the new  
iPhones.


FWIW, we also chose Microsoft IAS over Cisco ACS and use AD as our  
backend. It has worked well with the Cisco controllers. We have even  
done dynamic VLAN assignment based off AD group membership since day  
one and have not had any issues.


Walt

On Jul 24, 2008, at 4:37 PM, Jenkins, Matthew wrote:



	Thanks everyone for your quick responses!  As far as the EAP method  
goes, we will primarily be using MS AD to authenticate.  I figured  
we would use MS IAS unless there is something better to sit between  
MS AD.  I'll have to check out Jorge's suggestion of using Funk.


	We are having a large issue with people wanting to register  
playstations, pdas, and such on the wireless.  Currently we can't do  
it because our guest network is using the basic Cisco auth page.  As  
far as laptop guests go if we were using 802.1x, we can give out  
temporary 1-day accounts.  However, how is everyone handling PDAs  
and gaming consoles that do not support 802.1x?


Thanks,

Matt

Matthew Jenkins
Network/Server Administrator
Fairmont State University
	Visit us online at www.fairmontstate.edu https://fsmail.fairmontstate.edu/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.fairmontstate.edu/ 
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Sent: Thu 7/24/2008 4:38 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x


	I think the biggest challenge was (and still is to some extent)  
getting people to use it and not user our Guest access or PDA  
access. We don't require guests configure 1x and not all PDA's can  
even do 1x. As a result, sometimes people use the network we provide  
for that instead of using the 1x network. It required a major  
publicity campaign to get everyone to make the switch.




Pete Morrissey








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To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x



	How many others are doing 802.1x in a Cisco LWAPP environment?   
Have you had success with it, or would you recommend another route  
for authentication?  Currently we are using VPNs over our secure  
wireless and I am investigating whether we would be ahead to start  
using

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x

2008-07-24 Thread Brooks, Stan
Matt,

At Emory, we are handling what we call PWD's - personal wireless devices - 
including PDAs, game consoles, on other miscellaneous wireless devices using 
our Guest Access SSID.  For students, staff, and faculty devices that don't 
support our secure 802.1x SSID, but on campus and have a legitimate need,  we 
use MAC authentication to bypass the guest access captive portal.  The user has 
to bring the device in so that we can verify the type of device and get the MAC 
address.  The MAC address, Users ID, and device type are entered in the RADIUS 
database.  Our Aruba infrastructure then uses that RADIUS server to 
authenticate our guest access SSID users - a pass will put them into a special 
PWD role while a fail forces them to use the captive portal for guest access 
authentication.

We lock down our guest access pretty well - only web/secure web and VPN access 
is allowed and also bandwidth-limited.  The PWD role is slightly more open - we 
add secure mail and some TiVo/game console access.  We originally added the MAC 
authentication to handle the flood of iPhones last fall.  The TiVos and game 
consoles, too.  This fall with the iPhone 2.0 firmware supporting 
WPA/2-Enterprise 802.1x, we will have less of those, but probably more game 
consoles and other devices.

While I'm sure what all the Cisco capabilities are, you should be able to 
implement something similar to what we've done with our Aruba hardware.

 - Stan Brooks - CWNA/CWSP
  Emory University
  Network Communications Division
  404.727.0226
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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenkins, Matthew
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:37 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x

Thanks everyone for your quick responses!  As far as the EAP method goes, we 
will primarily be using MS AD to authenticate.  I figured we would use MS IAS 
unless there is something better to sit between MS AD.  I'll have to check out 
Jorge's suggestion of using Funk.

We are having a large issue with people wanting to register playstations, pdas, 
and such on the wireless.  Currently we can't do it because our guest network 
is using the basic Cisco auth page.  As far as laptop guests go if we were 
using 802.1x, we can give out temporary 1-day accounts.  However, how is 
everyone handling PDAs and gaming consoles that do not support 802.1x?

Thanks,

Matt

Matthew Jenkins
Network/Server Administrator
Fairmont State University
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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv on behalf of 
Peter P Morrissey
Sent: Thu 7/24/2008 4:38 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x
I think the biggest challenge was (and still is to some extent) getting people 
to use it and not user our Guest access or PDA access. We don't require guests 
configure 1x and not all PDA's can even do 1x. As a result, sometimes people 
use the network we provide for that instead of using the 1x network. It 
required a major publicity campaign to get everyone to make the switch.

Pete Morrissey



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenkins, Matthew
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:01 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco WLAN 4400 Controllers and 802.1x

How many others are doing 802.1x in a Cisco LWAPP environment?  Have you had 
success with it, or would you recommend another route for authentication?  
Currently we are using VPNs over our secure wireless and I am investigating 
whether we would be ahead to start using 802.1x coupled with WPA.  Any thoughts 
would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Matt

Matthew Jenkins
Network/Server Administrator
Fairmont State University
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