Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-03-02 Thread Jeffrey Sessler 
Cisco doesn't require you to use their switches, but there are advantages if 
you do. They aren't so fantastic that you'd replace what you have, but if you 
do happen to have Cisco, items like CDP or their once pre-standard POE+ are 
value-add. Cisco will no doubt start shipping AP's with the new multigigabit 
proposed standard, and they'll also be shipping new switches with support. If 
you're in a refresh-cycle, putting the two together may get you to a place you 
could otherwise not reach with a multi-vendor solution.
 
Jeff


>>> On Monday, March 02, 2015 at 1:37 PM, in message 
>>> , 
>>> Hunter Fuller  wrote:

Well, I don't know why Cisco is different, but they seem to be; Cisco
wireless gear doesn't care what switch it runs on, as far as I'm
aware, as long as it can get its dot3af power from it.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Turner, Ryan H  wrote:
> Well, let's be fair...  Every wireless vendor that runs a switching line is 
> going to try to get you to run their switches.  Why would Cisco be any 
> different than HP.


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-03-02 Thread Hunter Fuller 
Ah, gotcha. I do sincerely hope that it doesn't matter - I would be
really disappointed if we started seeing vendor lock-in between APs
and switches, for example. But for now, as you say, it seems we are
safe from this.

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On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Turner, Ryan H  wrote:
> I didn't make my point clearly, enough.  I am saying that it probably won't 
> matter that you don't run HP switches, just like it doesn't matter than you 
> may not run cisco switches...  And that I suspect every company that has 
> products in both switching and wireless is going to temp you, one way or the 
> other, to converging to a single vendor.  I was simply saying this is nothing 
> new or different, and that in the end, probably won't matter.
>
> Ryan H Turner
> Senior Network Engineer
> The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
> CB 1150 Chapel Hill, NC 27599
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hunter Fuller
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 4:37 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
>
> Well, I don't know why Cisco is different, but they seem to be; Cisco 
> wireless gear doesn't care what switch it runs on, as far as I'm aware, as 
> long as it can get its dot3af power from it.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Turner, Ryan H  wrote:
>> Well, let's be fair...  Every wireless vendor that runs a switching line is 
>> going to try to get you to run their switches.  Why would Cisco be any 
>> different than HP.
>
>
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-03-02 Thread Turner, Ryan H 
I didn't make my point clearly, enough.  I am saying that it probably won't 
matter that you don't run HP switches, just like it doesn't matter than you may 
not run cisco switches...  And that I suspect every company that has products 
in both switching and wireless is going to temp you, one way or the other, to 
converging to a single vendor.  I was simply saying this is nothing new or 
different, and that in the end, probably won't matter.

Ryan H Turner
Senior Network Engineer
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
CB 1150 Chapel Hill, NC 27599
+1 919 445 0113 Office
+1 919 274 7926 Mobile

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hunter Fuller
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 4:37 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

Well, I don't know why Cisco is different, but they seem to be; Cisco wireless 
gear doesn't care what switch it runs on, as far as I'm aware, as long as it 
can get its dot3af power from it.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Turner, Ryan H  wrote:
> Well, let's be fair...  Every wireless vendor that runs a switching line is 
> going to try to get you to run their switches.  Why would Cisco be any 
> different than HP.


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-03-02 Thread Hunter Fuller 
Well, I don't know why Cisco is different, but they seem to be; Cisco
wireless gear doesn't care what switch it runs on, as far as I'm
aware, as long as it can get its dot3af power from it.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Turner, Ryan H  wrote:
> Well, let's be fair...  Every wireless vendor that runs a switching line is 
> going to try to get you to run their switches.  Why would Cisco be any 
> different than HP.


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VBRH M-9B
+1 256 824 5331

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-27 Thread Chuck Anderson 
Of course you wouldn't have a problem, they are HP branded/coded.
Have you tried generics, not specifically coded for HP switches?  When
I speak of vendor lock-in, that is what I mean--the need to buy optics
that are coded specifically for that brand of switch/router.  It makes
sparing a pain, and prevents you from using exotic optics that HP
might not make, like CWDM, DWDM, bi-dir, etc.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 02:44:41PM -0600, Van Jones wrote:
> Agreed, we use generic J4859C's from Newegg in all of our HP gear across
> campus with no problems.  We just make sure we buy the ones with a lifetime
> warranty (~$79) in case one goes bad.
> 
> 
> 
> *Van K. Jones*
> Network Support Manager
> Mississippi College
> P: 601.925.3493 | F: 601.925.3955
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> 
> <http://www.mc.edu/>
> 
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Hinson, Matthew P <
> matthew.hin...@vikings.berry.edu> wrote:
> 
> > Haven't personally experienced this one... I've used some $30 J4859C's I
> > got from eBay and the switch didn't care.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Anderson
> > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:57 PM
> > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
> >
> > HP also has a history of forced lock-in.  Their switches specifically
> > prevent you from using third-party SFPs.  Imagine if they did this with the
> > wireless APs--purposely make them not work with non-HP ethernet switches.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 09:47:52PM +, Williams, Matthew wrote:
> > > I've heard from multiple CIOs that they don't want a "converged campus"
> > solution.  They don't want to end up beholden to a single vendor for
> > financial and security reasons.  They want best-of-breed products that
> > provide the most bang for the buck without the caveats of, "Well if you
> > want that that feature then you'll have to buy this
> > appliance/plugin/thing-a-ma-bob, too."
> > >
> > > I find the potential merger a bit disappointing because Aruba was a
> > wireless company (with a few switches) and that's what they did.  I'd hate
> > to see them end up getting lost in the shuffle of HP's portfolio of
> > solutions.  Hopefully, if this all goes through, that won't happen.
> > >
> > > Respectfully,
> > >
> > > Matthew Williams
> > > IT Manager, Wireless
> > > Kent State University
> > > Office: (330) 672-7246
> > > Mobile: (330) 469-0445
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
> > > [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:33 PM
> > > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba
> > > Networks
> > >
> > > Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to
> > routers to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to
> > truly compete with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the "converged
> > campus" to sound like a marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is
> > what we'll have to wait and see.
> > >
> > > Thomas Carter
> > > Network and Operations Manager
> > > Austin College
> > > 903-813-2564
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
> > > [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank
> > > Sweetser
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM
> > > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba
> > > Networks
> > >
> > > On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote:
> > > > I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless
> > > > and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal;
> > > > we'll see what happens with that.
> > > >
> > > > I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a
> > >

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-27 Thread Van Jones 
Agreed, we use generic J4859C's from Newegg in all of our HP gear across
campus with no problems.  We just make sure we buy the ones with a lifetime
warranty (~$79) in case one goes bad.



*Van K. Jones*
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Mississippi College
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Hinson, Matthew P <
matthew.hin...@vikings.berry.edu> wrote:

> Haven't personally experienced this one... I've used some $30 J4859C's I
> got from eBay and the switch didn't care.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Anderson
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:57 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
>
> HP also has a history of forced lock-in.  Their switches specifically
> prevent you from using third-party SFPs.  Imagine if they did this with the
> wireless APs--purposely make them not work with non-HP ethernet switches.
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 09:47:52PM +, Williams, Matthew wrote:
> > I've heard from multiple CIOs that they don't want a "converged campus"
> solution.  They don't want to end up beholden to a single vendor for
> financial and security reasons.  They want best-of-breed products that
> provide the most bang for the buck without the caveats of, "Well if you
> want that that feature then you'll have to buy this
> appliance/plugin/thing-a-ma-bob, too."
> >
> > I find the potential merger a bit disappointing because Aruba was a
> wireless company (with a few switches) and that's what they did.  I'd hate
> to see them end up getting lost in the shuffle of HP's portfolio of
> solutions.  Hopefully, if this all goes through, that won't happen.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Matthew Williams
> > IT Manager, Wireless
> > Kent State University
> > Office: (330) 672-7246
> > Mobile: (330) 469-0445
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
> > [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
> > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:33 PM
> > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba
> > Networks
> >
> > Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to
> routers to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to
> truly compete with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the "converged
> campus" to sound like a marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is
> what we'll have to wait and see.
> >
> > Thomas Carter
> > Network and Operations Manager
> > Austin College
> > 903-813-2564
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
> > [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank
> > Sweetser
> > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM
> > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba
> > Networks
> >
> > On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote:
> > > I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless
> > > and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal;
> > > we'll see what happens with that.
> > >
> > > I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a
> > > company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in R&D. I
> > > know that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue
> > > with $170M R&D. They need the financial backing to stay in second
> > > and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have
> > > a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave
> with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere.
> >
> > But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches!
> >
> > My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not
> > Aruba the client access company.  This would lead them to keeping the
> > APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that
> > let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor
> > capabilities, their
> > switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging
> around atrophying.
>
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-27 Thread David Ziemba 
Agreed. We have LH still in production, came up from the 160’s (supermicro), 
2060’s (dell), and 4300’s (HP). LH was amazing with support, and an easy 
front-range trip to make to their support center / labs. HP support is terrible 
with LH products, and we are also no longer an LH customer.


Regards,
David Ziemba

Senior Network Engineer
719.389.6063
z...@coloradocollege.edu<mailto:z...@coloradocollege.edu>

ITS: Innovations & Solutions

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian Holley
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 3:22 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

A little off topic, but…I was a LeftHand SAN customer several years ago.  
Awesome mid-tier solution…bought by HP.  HP decided that their in-house 
technical support could do a better job off supporting the product than the 
folks who had all the knowledge.  We went for two years having to figure things 
out ourselves.  The LeftHand products are still in existence, but HP has now 
priced them in the stratosphere.

I no longer am a LeftHand/HP customer…

   Brian

Brian Holley • Assistant VP / CSO
Middle Tennessee State University • mtsu.edu<http://www.mtsu.edu/>
Office 615-898-2228 • Cell 615-601-2025


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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ray DeJean
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:34 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Coehoorn, Joel 
mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu>> wrote:
> I do think this can be good for Aruba  If integrated well, HP could have 
> a compelling

We'll see how it works out. We had a 3Com system once upon a time. Remember 
3Com?

HP doesn't have a good track record for "integrating well" with the products it 
acquires. I remember 3com well. We were all 3com. After a few years of the 
HP/3com mess, we're Brocade now. And last year, stopped buying Aruba in favor 
of Ruckus. :)

Ray



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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-26 Thread Brian Holley 
A little off topic, but…I was a LeftHand SAN customer several years ago.  
Awesome mid-tier solution…bought by HP.  HP decided that their in-house 
technical support could do a better job off supporting the product than the 
folks who had all the knowledge.  We went for two years having to figure things 
out ourselves.  The LeftHand products are still in existence, but HP has now 
priced them in the stratosphere.

I no longer am a LeftHand/HP customer…

   Brian

Brian Holley • Assistant VP / CSO
Middle Tennessee State University • mtsu.edu<http://www.mtsu.edu/>
Office 615-898-2228 • Cell 615-601-2025


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ray DeJean
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:34 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Coehoorn, Joel 
mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu>> wrote:
> I do think this can be good for Aruba  If integrated well, HP could have 
> a compelling

We'll see how it works out. We had a 3Com system once upon a time. Remember 
3Com?

HP doesn't have a good track record for "integrating well" with the products it 
acquires. I remember 3com well. We were all 3com. After a few years of the 
HP/3com mess, we're Brocade now. And last year, stopped buying Aruba in favor 
of Ruckus. :)

Ray



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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-26 Thread Hinson, Matthew P 
Haven't personally experienced this one... I've used some $30 J4859C's I got 
from eBay and the switch didn't care.

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Anderson
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:57 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

HP also has a history of forced lock-in.  Their switches specifically prevent 
you from using third-party SFPs.  Imagine if they did this with the wireless 
APs--purposely make them not work with non-HP ethernet switches.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 09:47:52PM +, Williams, Matthew wrote:
> I've heard from multiple CIOs that they don't want a "converged campus" 
> solution.  They don't want to end up beholden to a single vendor for 
> financial and security reasons.  They want best-of-breed products that 
> provide the most bang for the buck without the caveats of, "Well if you want 
> that that feature then you'll have to buy this 
> appliance/plugin/thing-a-ma-bob, too."
>
> I find the potential merger a bit disappointing because Aruba was a wireless 
> company (with a few switches) and that's what they did.  I'd hate to see them 
> end up getting lost in the shuffle of HP's portfolio of solutions.  
> Hopefully, if this all goes through, that won't happen.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Matthew Williams
> IT Manager, Wireless
> Kent State University
> Office: (330) 672-7246
> Mobile: (330) 469-0445
>
> -Original Message-
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:33 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba
> Networks
>
> Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to 
> routers to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to 
> truly compete with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the "converged campus" 
> to sound like a marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll 
> have to wait and see.
>
> Thomas Carter
> Network and Operations Manager
> Austin College
> 903-813-2564
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank
> Sweetser
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba
> Networks
>
> On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote:
> > I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless
> > and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal;
> > we'll see what happens with that.
> >
> > I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a
> > company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in R&D. I
> > know that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue
> > with $170M R&D. They need the financial backing to stay in second
> > and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have
> > a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with 
> > some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere.
>
> But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches!
>
> My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not
> Aruba the client access company.  This would lead them to keeping the
> APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that
> let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor
> capabilities, their
> switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around 
> atrophying.

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-26 Thread Thomas Carter 
I don't know that I agree with "converged campus" either, but I have known CIOs 
who want "one neck to wring" when there are problems or fall for the "it will 
all work together seamlessly" pitch. 

I just don't want to assume that this will ruin Aruba, and looking at their 
financials, it might help. I see lots of losses on Aruba's income statements 
(although a small income this last quarter). 

Thomas Carter
Network and Operations Manager
Austin College 
903-813-2564


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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Williams, Matthew
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 3:48 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

I've heard from multiple CIOs that they don't want a "converged campus" 
solution.  They don't want to end up beholden to a single vendor for financial 
and security reasons.  They want best-of-breed products that provide the most 
bang for the buck without the caveats of, "Well if you want that that feature 
then you'll have to buy this appliance/plugin/thing-a-ma-bob, too."

I find the potential merger a bit disappointing because Aruba was a wireless 
company (with a few switches) and that's what they did.  I'd hate to see them 
end up getting lost in the shuffle of HP's portfolio of solutions.  Hopefully, 
if this all goes through, that won't happen.

Respectfully, 

Matthew Williams
IT Manager, Wireless
Kent State University
Office: (330) 672-7246
Mobile: (330) 469-0445 

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:33 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to routers 
to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to truly compete 
with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the "converged campus" to sound like a 
marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll have to wait and 
see. 

Thomas Carter
Network and Operations Manager
Austin College 
903-813-2564


-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote:
> I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and 
> grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll 
> see what happens with that.
>
> I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a 
> company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in R&D. I know 
> that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M 
> R&D. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close 
> the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling 
> package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN 
> sprinkled in there somewhere.

But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches!

My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the 
client access company.  This would lead them to keeping the APs and 
controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to 
selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their
switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around 
atrophying.

-- 
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Manager of Network Operations   |  is simple, elegant, and wrong.
Worcester Polytechnic Institute |   - HL Mencken

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-26 Thread Frank Sweetser 
Yeah, same here!  (the best of breed opinion anyway, not a CIO...)  There are 
few things quite as frustrating as seeing a vendor starve your favorite 
product line of development resources solely because some other 800lb gorilla 
customer is dumping truckloads of cash in a different one, or because adding 
feature X to product Z is against internal policy because feature X is for 
carriers and product Z belongs to the enterprise group.


A true multi vendor best of breed approach at least gives you a better chance 
of having the company better focused on a solution to the problem you're 
looking for, rather than trying to make compromises to satisfy all of their 
markets at once.


Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu|  For every problem, there is a solution that
Manager of Network Operations   |  is simple, elegant, and wrong.
Worcester Polytechnic Institute |   - HL Mencken

On 02/26/2015 04:47 PM, Williams, Matthew wrote:

I've heard from multiple CIOs that they don't want a "converged campus" solution.  They 
don't want to end up beholden to a single vendor for financial and security reasons.  They want 
best-of-breed products that provide the most bang for the buck without the caveats of, "Well 
if you want that that feature then you'll have to buy this appliance/plugin/thing-a-ma-bob, 
too."

I find the potential merger a bit disappointing because Aruba was a wireless 
company (with a few switches) and that's what they did.  I'd hate to see them 
end up getting lost in the shuffle of HP's portfolio of solutions.  Hopefully, 
if this all goes through, that won't happen.

Respectfully,

Matthew Williams
IT Manager, Wireless
Kent State University
Office: (330) 672-7246
Mobile: (330) 469-0445

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:33 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to routers to core 
switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to truly compete with the likes of 
Cisco. They're pushing the "converged campus" to sound like a marketing wonk. 
Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll have to wait and see.

Thomas Carter
Network and Operations Manager
Austin College
903-813-2564


-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote:

I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and
grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll
see what happens with that.

I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a
company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in R&D. I know
that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M
R&D. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close
the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling
package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN 
sprinkled in there somewhere.


But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches!

My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the 
client access company.  This would lead them to keeping the APs and 
controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to 
selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their
switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around 
atrophying.



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-26 Thread Chuck Anderson 
HP also has a history of forced lock-in.  Their switches specifically
prevent you from using third-party SFPs.  Imagine if they did this
with the wireless APs--purposely make them not work with non-HP
ethernet switches.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 09:47:52PM +, Williams, Matthew wrote:
> I've heard from multiple CIOs that they don't want a "converged campus" 
> solution.  They don't want to end up beholden to a single vendor for 
> financial and security reasons.  They want best-of-breed products that 
> provide the most bang for the buck without the caveats of, "Well if you want 
> that that feature then you'll have to buy this 
> appliance/plugin/thing-a-ma-bob, too."
> 
> I find the potential merger a bit disappointing because Aruba was a wireless 
> company (with a few switches) and that's what they did.  I'd hate to see them 
> end up getting lost in the shuffle of HP's portfolio of solutions.  
> Hopefully, if this all goes through, that won't happen.
> 
> Respectfully, 
> 
> Matthew Williams
> IT Manager, Wireless
> Kent State University
> Office: (330) 672-7246
> Mobile: (330) 469-0445 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:33 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
> 
> Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to 
> routers to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to 
> truly compete with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the "converged campus" 
> to sound like a marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll 
> have to wait and see. 
> 
> Thomas Carter
> Network and Operations Manager
> Austin College 
> 903-813-2564
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
> 
> On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote:
> > I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and 
> > grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll 
> > see what happens with that.
> >
> > I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a 
> > company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in R&D. I know 
> > that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M 
> > R&D. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close 
> > the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling 
> > package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic 
> > SDN sprinkled in there somewhere.
> 
> But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches!
> 
> My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba 
> the client access company.  This would lead them to keeping the APs and 
> controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to 
> selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their
> switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around 
> atrophying.

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-26 Thread Williams, Matthew 
I've heard from multiple CIOs that they don't want a "converged campus" 
solution.  They don't want to end up beholden to a single vendor for financial 
and security reasons.  They want best-of-breed products that provide the most 
bang for the buck without the caveats of, "Well if you want that that feature 
then you'll have to buy this appliance/plugin/thing-a-ma-bob, too."

I find the potential merger a bit disappointing because Aruba was a wireless 
company (with a few switches) and that's what they did.  I'd hate to see them 
end up getting lost in the shuffle of HP's portfolio of solutions.  Hopefully, 
if this all goes through, that won't happen.

Respectfully, 

Matthew Williams
IT Manager, Wireless
Kent State University
Office: (330) 672-7246
Mobile: (330) 469-0445 

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:33 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to routers 
to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to truly compete 
with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the "converged campus" to sound like a 
marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll have to wait and 
see. 

Thomas Carter
Network and Operations Manager
Austin College 
903-813-2564


-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote:
> I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and 
> grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll 
> see what happens with that.
>
> I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a 
> company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in R&D. I know 
> that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M 
> R&D. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close 
> the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling 
> package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN 
> sprinkled in there somewhere.

But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches!

My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the 
client access company.  This would lead them to keeping the APs and 
controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to 
selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their
switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around 
atrophying.

-- 
Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu|  For every problem, there is a solution that
Manager of Network Operations   |  is simple, elegant, and wrong.
Worcester Polytechnic Institute |   - HL Mencken

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-26 Thread Thomas Carter 
Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to routers 
to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to truly compete 
with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the "converged campus" to sound like a 
marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll have to wait and 
see. 

Thomas Carter
Network and Operations Manager
Austin College 
903-813-2564


-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote:
> I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and 
> grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll 
> see what happens with that.
>
> I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a 
> company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in R&D. I know 
> that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M 
> R&D. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close 
> the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling 
> package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN 
> sprinkled in there somewhere.

But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches!

My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the 
client access company.  This would lead them to keeping the APs and 
controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to 
selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their
switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around 
atrophying.

-- 
Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu|  For every problem, there is a solution that
Manager of Network Operations   |  is simple, elegant, and wrong.
Worcester Polytechnic Institute |   - HL Mencken

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-26 Thread Philippe Hanset 
HP already acquired Colubris back in 2008…they have Wi-Fi.
I would say that it is the entire ecosystem that they care about!
(Airwave, ClearPass, ….)

Could be exciting for the switch business too (HP switches are affordable…if 
you add the Aruba software it becomes a nice integrated system)

Compete with Cisco all the way!

Philippe Hanset
www.eduroam.us



> On Feb 26, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Frank Sweetser  wrote:
> 
> On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote:
>> I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab
>> Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we’ll see what
>> happens with that.
>> 
>> I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this – Cisco is a company
>> that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in R&D. I know that’s not all
>> wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M R&D. They need the
>> financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If
>> integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba
>> all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere.
> 
> But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches!
> 
> My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba 
> the client access company.  This would lead them to keeping the APs and 
> controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to 
> selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their 
> switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around 
> atrophying.
> 
> --
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> Manager of Network Operations   |  is simple, elegant, and wrong.
> Worcester Polytechnic Institute |   - HL Mencken
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-26 Thread Frank Sweetser 

On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote:

I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab
Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we’ll see what
happens with that.

I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this – Cisco is a company
that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in R&D. I know that’s not all
wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M R&D. They need the
financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If
integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba
all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere.


But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches!

My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the 
client access company.  This would lead them to keeping the APs and 
controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to 
selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their 
switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around 
atrophying.


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Manager of Network Operations   |  is simple, elegant, and wrong.
Worcester Polytechnic Institute |   - HL Mencken

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-26 Thread Thomas Carter 
But at the time, HP had the bigger market share compared to 3Com already. This 
time Aruba is the much bigger market share. And that was like 2-3 HP CEOs ago.

Thomas Carter
Network and Operations Manager
Austin College
903-813-2564
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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:25 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

> I do think this can be good for Aruba  If integrated well, HP could have 
> a compelling
> package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN
> sprinkled in there somewhere.

We'll see how it works out. We had a 3Com system once upon a time. Remember 
3Com?




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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-26 Thread Ray DeJean 
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Coehoorn, Joel  wrote:

> > I do think this can be good for Aruba  If integrated well, HP could
> have a compelling
>
> We'll see how it works out. We had a 3Com system once upon a time.
> Remember 3Com?
>

HP doesn't have a good track record for "integrating well" with the
products it acquires. I remember 3com well. We were all 3com. After a few
years of the HP/3com mess, we're Brocade now. And last year, stopped buying
Aruba in favor of Ruckus. :)

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-26 Thread Coehoorn, Joel 
> I do think this can be good for Aruba  If integrated well, HP could
have a compelling
> package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic
SDN
> sprinkled in there somewhere.

We'll see how it works out. We had a 3Com system once upon a time. Remember
3Com?




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On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Thomas Carter 
wrote:

>   I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and
> grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we’ll see
> what happens with that.
>
> I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this – Cisco is a
> company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in R&D. I know
> that’s not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M R&D.
> They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap
> on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with
> ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled
> in there somewhere.
>
> Thomas Carter
>
> Network and Operations Manager
>
> Austin College
>
> 903-813-2564
>
> [image: AusColl_Logo_Email]
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Jeffrey Sessler
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:59 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba
> Networks
>
>
>
> Makes sense. Aruba is #2 in the market (but pretty distant from Cisco),
> and HP is 4th depending on who to talk with, so acquiring Aruba would put
> their combined market share well past the other competition, and a tad
> closer to Cisco. Then again, it could go all wrong under HP. I thought Dell
> would have been a better match - I wonder what happens to the Aruba/Dell
> oem relationship if this happens? Or the Alcatel oem agreement.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
> >>> On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 1:07 PM, in message <
> b46a050c-963c-4838-acec-6c890472e...@exchange.louisville.edu>, Trent Hurt
>  wrote:
>
> http://mvnoblog.com/hp-is-reportedly-trying-to-buy-aruba-networks/
>
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-26 Thread Thomas Carter 
I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab 
Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll see what 
happens with that.
I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a company 
that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in R&D. I know that's not all 
wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M R&D. They need the 
financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If 
integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all 
managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere.
Thomas Carter
Network and Operations Manager
Austin College
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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler
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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

Makes sense. Aruba is #2 in the market (but pretty distant from Cisco), and HP 
is 4th depending on who to talk with, so acquiring Aruba would put their 
combined market share well past the other competition, and a tad closer to 
Cisco. Then again, it could go all wrong under HP. I thought Dell would have 
been a better match - I wonder what happens to the Aruba/Dell oem relationship 
if this happens? Or the Alcatel oem agreement.

Jeff

>>> On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 1:07 PM, in message 
>>> mailto:b46a050c-963c-4838-acec-6c890472e...@exchange.louisville.edu>>,
>>>  Trent Hurt mailto:trent.h...@louisville.edu>> 
>>> wrote:
http://mvnoblog.com/hp-is-reportedly-trying-to-buy-aruba-networks/

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-26 Thread Jeffrey Sessler 
Makes sense. Aruba is #2 in the market (but pretty distant from Cisco), and HP 
is 4th depending on who to talk with, so acquiring Aruba would put their 
combined market share well past the other competition, and a tad closer to 
Cisco. Then again, it could go all wrong under HP. I thought Dell would have 
been a better match - I wonder what happens to the Aruba/Dell oem relationship 
if this happens? Or the Alcatel oem agreement.
 
Jeff

>>> On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 1:07 PM, in message 
>>> , Trent Hurt 
>>>  wrote:

http://mvnoblog.com/hp-is-reportedly-trying-to-buy-aruba-networks/

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-26 Thread Oliver Elliott 
This does make me a bit more reluctant to use Airwave to monitor a Cisco
network. Even under Aruba you might expect to put less and less effort into
supporting "the enemy", HP ownership might be the final straw.

Oli

On 26 February 2015 at 16:26, Frank Sweetser  wrote:

> On 02/26/2015 11:23 AM, Julian Y Koh wrote:
>
>> On Wed Feb 25 2015 15:07:31 CST, Trent Hurt 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://mvnoblog.com/hp-is-reportedly-trying-to-buy-aruba-networks/
>>>
>>
>> > report-hp-to-buy-aruba-for-wireless-tech.html>
>>
>> Lee’s not going to be on HP’s Christmas card list… :)
>>
>>
> No, but I think he might be on mine now =)
>
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-26 Thread Frank Sweetser 

On 02/26/2015 11:23 AM, Julian Y Koh wrote:

On Wed Feb 25 2015 15:07:31 CST, Trent Hurt  wrote:


http://mvnoblog.com/hp-is-reportedly-trying-to-buy-aruba-networks/




Lee’s not going to be on HP’s Christmas card list… :)



No, but I think he might be on mine now =)

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks

2015-02-26 Thread Julian Y Koh 
On Wed Feb 25 2015 15:07:31 CST, Trent Hurt  wrote:
> 
> http://mvnoblog.com/hp-is-reportedly-trying-to-buy-aruba-networks/



Lee’s not going to be on HP’s Christmas card list… :)




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