RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN Analysis Tools

2005-07-18 Thread King, Michael
 
 We're looking for help from current WLAN managers. You can 
 either provide general input or answer the following two 
 questions. I hope in most cases you would be willing to post 
 your thoughts publicly, but if you have comments that are of 
 a sensitive nature, you can e-mail me directly.
 
 1. What are the most common WLAN problems you face, either in 
 the design or operation of your network, for which WLAN 
 analysis tools might be helpful?

Bridging of the wired and wireless interface, and interference from
Rougue/AdHoc Wireless Networks.

 
 2. Which specific available tools -- commercial or otherwise 
 -- are most helpful in allowing you to do your job?

Ethereal, Allows packet capture and basic decodes on wireless frames.
Ekahau Site Survey.  Site Survey tool that also is very good at
detecting hidden networks (With appropriate card)
Network Stumbler.  

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN Analysis Tools

2005-07-18 Thread Lee Badman
1. What are the most common WLAN problems you face, either in the design
or
operation of your network, for which WLAN analysis tools might be
helpful?

- Rogue APs- but are only of concern if executive policy forbids them
and is enforceable (hot and cold here at SU)
- Design/budgetary planning- people want to know what it will cost to
do a building without a valid/realistic survey
- User education- some things just aren't suited for wireless/doing
things over wireless with no security

2. Which specific available tools -- commercial or otherwise -- are
most
helpful in allowing you to do your job?

- Ekahau works nicely for planning
- AirMAgnet wonderful all-around tool
- Wild Packets AiroPeek- nice decodes
- Net stumbler/WiFiFoFum, other freebies- they are free
- Noppix Auditor suite- free, host of Linux-based powerful wireless
tools

Lee



Lee H. Badman
Network Engineer
CWSP, CWNA (CWNP011288)
Computing and Media Services (NSS)
250 Machinery Hall
Syracuse University
Syracuse, NY 13244
(315) 443-3003 Voice
(315) 443-1621 Fax

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN Analysis Tools

2005-07-18 Thread Brassil, John
 1. What are the most common WLAN problems you face, either in 
 the design or operation of your network, for which WLAN 
 analysis tools might be helpful?

1:   Misconfigured clients.  Same as it ever was - if we didn't have users on 
the network, life would be so much simpler.  2.  Poor receptivity of clients 
(can anyone say titanium-shelled Macs!)  3.   Intermittent connectivity.  RF is 
dyanmic.  Deal with  it.
 
 2. Which specific available tools -- commercial or otherwise 
 -- are most helpful in allowing you to do your job?

1.  Airwave Monitoring Platform  (AMP.)  Even with an all-Cisco infrastructure, 
this is hands-down the best tool we have for keeping tabs on what's up in our 
network.  2.  Airmagnet Sniffer.   Sooo nice to be able to see everthing at 
once.  Wish it had better depth on decodes, tho.  3.  The Cisco ADU - a very 
well designed client interface and really handy for basic troubleshooting in 
our environment, see above.

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN Analysis Tools

2005-07-18 Thread Philippe Hanset
 1. What are the most common WLAN problems you face, either in the design or
 operation of your network, for which WLAN analysis tools might be helpful?

#1, Ad-Hoc networks in large classrooms

#2, Interferences on 5 GHz, point-to-point links

#3, People believing that we need to secure WLANs at all prices


 2. Which specific available tools -- commercial or otherwise -- are most
 helpful in allowing you to do your job?

#1, -Education for prevention
-Netstumbler etc.. for Detection
-On-site visit and yelling, for remediation (cannot detect a specific
 user when 200 laptops are next to each other...don't want to use
 jamming solutions

#2,  -We use of a portable Spectrum Analyzer


#3,  -Secure Applications, then revisit the problem!
 (WLAN security is only between Devices and APs
  it's all clear after that!)

Philippe Hanset
University of Tennessee


 Thanks,

 Dave Molta
 Director, Syracuse University Center for Emerging Network Technologies
 Sr. Technology Editor, Network Computing
 315-443-4549

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN Analysis Tools

2005-07-18 Thread John Watters
1, Most common problems:
   a. Users putting up their own APs and then providing open access to our 
entire
  network through it.
   b. VPN configuration issues. Our users must go through our VPN for access to
  anything other than basic Web browsing or email.

2. Helpful Tools:
   a. AirWave AMP product does incrediblty well in managing my 250+ Cisco APS.
  Most are 1200 series boxes with a few old 340/350s still around. The 
ability
  to config a new box just like others (with a few things like IP address  
name) 
  still being unique is a piece of cake. In addition, the unit tracks device
  uptimes, device usage, client usage across APs, etc. A piece of cake to 
drive.
   b. The Cisco ADU software for doing site surveys and getting stats on
  throughput, errors, frequency usage, etc.
   c. The NetMRI box does a good job of finding rogue APs across an entire 
network.
  It will handle any size address space(s) you point it to. But, it is way 
  too pricy. Our was a demo unit that is now gone.


-jcw




 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
 From: Dave Molta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:58:14 -0400
 Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN Analysis Tools
 Reply-To: 802.11 wireless issues listserv  
 WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
 
 I'm working with a couple of my students here at Syracuse on an article for
 a December issue of Network Computing magazine that we are tentatively
 calling the Wireless LAN Analysis Toolkit. We're hoping to provide readers
 with an understanding of the range of problems faced by managers of large
 WLANs along with a feel for the essential tools that are available, both
 commercial and open-source. We're thinking about everything from the
 physical layer (e.g., spectrum analyzers) all the way up the stack. Since
 Frank Bulk recently looked at distributed monitoring systems, we're not
 planning to cover those products explicitly.
 
 We're looking for help from current WLAN managers. You can either provide
 general input or answer the following two questions. I hope in most cases
 you would be willing to post your thoughts publicly, but if you have
 comments that are of a sensitive nature, you can e-mail me directly.
 
 1. What are the most common WLAN problems you face, either in the design or
 operation of your network, for which WLAN analysis tools might be helpful?
 
 2. Which specific available tools -- commercial or otherwise -- are most
 helpful in allowing you to do your job?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Dave Molta
 Director, Syracuse University Center for Emerging Network Technologies
 Sr. Technology Editor, Network Computing
 315-443-4549
 
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John Watters  UA: Office of Information Technology  205-348-3992

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