Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Luke Jenkins]

Pete,

We have 52 channels of IPTV using a similar setup to Bruce with Haivision gear 
and we are using Cisco wireless. It has been a great success.

The equivalent secret sauce for Cisco wireless is called VideoStream or 
MediaStream (same tech, different marketing folks). Here is the sales document: 
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/wireless/ps6302/ps8322/ps10315/ps10325/white_paper_c11-577721.html
 and the tech document: 
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps10315/products_tech_note09186a0080b6e11e.shtml
 that go over VideoStream.

Down the line there are some IEEE standards that should replicate much of the 
functionality of these vendor specific solutions. 802.11aa (Robust streaming of 
Audio Video Transport Streams) is slated to be included in both 802.11ac and 
802.11ad.

With all of that said, I still think putting in either copper or at least 
decent size conduit to every room is a great way to future/legacy-proof your 
dorm rooms.

If you have additional questions, hit me up off list and I'll do my best to 
help.

-Luke

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Luke Jenkins
Network Analyst
Weber State University
ljenk...@weber.edu


On Jan 19, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Peter P Morrissey wrote:

> Hi Bruce,
>  
> Thank you for sharing more of the details. We currently have legacy coax to 
> every location and Time Warner provides the CATV service. One of the reasons 
> I asked the question was because we have contemplated in-sourcing it and 
> delivering it over IP. We would have to replicate a plethora of offerings and 
> channels that Time Warner currently provides in order to provide an 
> equivalent service, not to mention a head end, set top boxes etc.  We already 
> have the luxury of CAT5 or better to every pillow with dedicated 100 mbps FDX 
> which I am guessing we would want to leverage if this concept ever went 
> anywhere for us. But it is very helpful to hear about experiences pushing the 
> limits with both wireless and IP to help us understand the possibilities. If 
> we were to pursue something like this over wireless, we would probably hit up 
> Cisco, our current vendor.
>  
> Pete
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:18 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?
>  
> Pete,
>  
> The numbers I am providing here may be outdated since I am not currently 
> involved in our daily operations. Our IPTV solution was already in place and 
> is handled by a different group here on campus.
>  
> We are providing 15 channels of encrypted 720p IPTV to clients running 
> Haivision’s VideoFurnace InStream client. During our testing before 
> deployment, we had 20+ clients spread across the 15 channels viewing 
> simultaneously connected to one Aruba AP-125 AP.
>  
> Since we deployed this in fall 2009, we have not had any complaints from our 
> customer base due to the video streaming. We periodically experience 
> congestion issues on our Internet connections, but that is unrelated to the 
> video streaming.  We started only offering the IPTV service on a 5GHZ 
> 802.11n-only SSID. Eventually, we got complaints from users with 802.11b/g/n 
> clients that wanted this service. We then expanded the offering to our normal 
> 802.11 a/b/g/n SSID and retired the “high speed” SSID.
>  
> Aruba’s Dynamic Multicast Optimization technology is their “magic” We were 
> involved during alpha & beta testing and were one of the first customers to 
> deploy this to our customers. We worked directly with Aruba engineering to 
> stress test this technology as it was being developed & refined.
>  
> I can put together a conference call to talk about this more offline in 
> detail, if you wish. We have been very impressed with Aruba’s technology and 
> support. No vendor is perfect and, many times, we are running our system on 
> custom code testing solutions to bugs we have found. We are doing things with 
> Aruba’s technology that other wireless vendors said could not be done.
>  
> Bruce Osborne
> Network Engineer
> IT Network Services
>  
> (434) 592-4229
>  
> LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
> 40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011
>  
> From: Peter P Morrissey [mailto:ppmor...@syr.edu] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 4:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Wireless only dorms, advice?
>  
> Bruce,
>  
> Are you saying that you are providing HDTV channels to all their wide screen 
> TV’s in the rooms over wireless that is equivalent in quality to what they 
> would get from satellite or standard CATV? I would be curious to hear what 
> the quality of experience is for the students watching HDTV, and wh

RE: Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Osborne, Bruce W]

Russ,

I know we are using some AP-105s, but we prefer the AP-125s in our denser 
areas. We are more familiar with AP-125 since that was our only choice when we 
first deployed Aruba wireless and we used  AP-125 when we alpha tested and beta 
tested the IPTV solution.

I know one reason we have not tried the newer models is because we have not yet 
upgraded to ArubaOS 6.X. We are still running the old 3.4.X code. We have a 
migration plan, but there have been considerations outside of Aruba wireless 
that have delayed our migration.  I believe our current plan is to move to the 
most current 6.1 build when we move.

I think AP-105 should work for 10 channels. It really depends on the size of 
the streams and how many different channels are in use at the same time.


Bruce Osborne
Network Engineer
IT Network Services

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011

From: Russ Leathe [mailto:russ.lea...@gordon.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Wireless only dorms, advice?

Thanks Bruce,

Are you using anything else besides the AP-125?  Ap-105 and/or AP-175?

We are upgrading IPTV to HD and we want to push 10 IPTV channels over 802.11n.



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]>
 On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 4:09 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Russ,

I disagree regarding IPTV. We have been successfully running IPTV with our 
Aruba system for over two years. We started with a single 5 GHz 11n-only SSID, 
and then expanded to an 802.11a/b/g/n SSID. I expect Cisco has something 
similar. I think Lee Badman is one of the Cisco experts here.


Bruce Osborne
Network Engineer
IT Network Services

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011

From: Russ Leathe 
[mailto:russ.lea...@gordon.edu]<mailto:[mailto:russ.lea...@gordon.edu]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Wireless only dorms, advice?

We just finished rolling out wifi to all dorms.  Each dorm is uniquely 
different in terms of age and/or construction materials.  I used a variety of 
tools to determine placement of ap's.  However, the first thing I did was place 
one or two AP's in area's that I thought would be strategic.  I used Air Magnet 
to determine if the heat map would provide adequate coverage.  I did a total of 
16 dorms like this and ended up adding 12 additional AP's in area's that had 
little coverage.  We installed a total of 424 Ap's and we added 12 more, not 
bad.

That said, I still have a small percentage of users with 'wire only' devices.  
Not to mention the game consoles that are still wire only.  That said, we will 
be building a new dorm next year.  I plan on wifi only but will include wired 
ports as well.
Granted, not the "port per pillow" we have been use to, but maybe "port per 
room".   I haven't made a decision yet.
Wireless is still half duplex and the best I can get out of 802.11n is 300mps.  
So, applications like IPTV, Digital Signage still require a wire. Not to 
mentioned fire alarms, HVAC. Phones, emergency notification...all things that 
we need to run a building,  still require a wire.

I have had as many as 20 clients on one AP, with no issues.  However, as more 
bandwidth intensive apps are available (not to mention the increase in 
devices), I suspect I will have to limit this.  So far, there has not been a 
need.

I hope this is helpful to you!

Russ
Gordon College
r...@gordon.edu<mailto:r...@gordon.edu>

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]>
 On Behalf Of Laird, Sara M
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:05 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Hello,

I am looking for anyone who has moved to wireless only dorms.  We have fast 
track dorm construction project that is starting and our CIO would like to make 
it wireless only.  I am wondering if anyone has done this and if so what kind 
of advice or comments can you share.  We will be using Cisco waps.  Also I am 
wondering what kind of ratio you based your access points on, how many devises 
per person.

Best Regards,

Sara

Sara M. Laird
Network Administrator
Mount Saint Mary's University
301.447.5014
Faith * Discovery * Leadership * Community
** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE 
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RE: Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Russ Leathe]

Thanks Bruce,

Are you using anything else besides the AP-125?  Ap-105 and/or AP-175?

We are upgrading IPTV to HD and we want to push 10 IPTV channels over 802.11n.



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 4:09 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Russ,

I disagree regarding IPTV. We have been successfully running IPTV with our 
Aruba system for over two years. We started with a single 5 GHz 11n-only SSID, 
and then expanded to an 802.11a/b/g/n SSID. I expect Cisco has something 
similar. I think Lee Badman is one of the Cisco experts here.


Bruce Osborne
Network Engineer
IT Network Services

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011

From: Russ Leathe 
[mailto:russ.lea...@gordon.edu]<mailto:[mailto:russ.lea...@gordon.edu]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Wireless only dorms, advice?

We just finished rolling out wifi to all dorms.  Each dorm is uniquely 
different in terms of age and/or construction materials.  I used a variety of 
tools to determine placement of ap's.  However, the first thing I did was place 
one or two AP's in area's that I thought would be strategic.  I used Air Magnet 
to determine if the heat map would provide adequate coverage.  I did a total of 
16 dorms like this and ended up adding 12 additional AP's in area's that had 
little coverage.  We installed a total of 424 Ap's and we added 12 more, not 
bad.

That said, I still have a small percentage of users with 'wire only' devices.  
Not to mention the game consoles that are still wire only.  That said, we will 
be building a new dorm next year.  I plan on wifi only but will include wired 
ports as well.
Granted, not the "port per pillow" we have been use to, but maybe "port per 
room".   I haven't made a decision yet.
Wireless is still half duplex and the best I can get out of 802.11n is 300mps.  
So, applications like IPTV, Digital Signage still require a wire. Not to 
mentioned fire alarms, HVAC. Phones, emergency notification...all things that 
we need to run a building,  still require a wire.

I have had as many as 20 clients on one AP, with no issues.  However, as more 
bandwidth intensive apps are available (not to mention the increase in 
devices), I suspect I will have to limit this.  So far, there has not been a 
need.

I hope this is helpful to you!

Russ
Gordon College
r...@gordon.edu<mailto:r...@gordon.edu>

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]>
 On Behalf Of Laird, Sara M
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:05 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Hello,

I am looking for anyone who has moved to wireless only dorms.  We have fast 
track dorm construction project that is starting and our CIO would like to make 
it wireless only.  I am wondering if anyone has done this and if so what kind 
of advice or comments can you share.  We will be using Cisco waps.  Also I am 
wondering what kind of ratio you based your access points on, how many devises 
per person.

Best Regards,

Sara

Sara M. Laird
Network Administrator
Mount Saint Mary's University
301.447.5014
Faith * Discovery * Leadership * Community
** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE 
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Marcelo Lew]

Just an FYI, the Aruba AP-93H is a single radio AP, so you cannot run both 
bands at the same time.  At this time you most likely will need both, 2.4ghz 
for phones, and 5ghz for laptops, notebooks, etc.  But yes, I like the idea a 
lot, too bad is not a dual radio AP.

Marcelo Lew
Wireless Enterprise Administrator
University Technology Services
University of Denver
Desk: (303) 871-6523
Cell: (303) 669-4217
Fax:  (303) 871-5900
Email: m...@du.edu<mailto:m...@du.edu>

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rick Brown
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 3:07 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

That is the one we're seriously considering for the residence halls.  It is 
amazing it took someone this long to come up with this for enterprise use.






On 1/18/2012 2:38 PM, Jennings, Zachariah E. wrote:
You mean like this?
http://www.arubanetworks.com/product/aruba-ap-93h-access-point/

Zach Jennings
Senior Network Server Manager
Aruba Certified Mobility Professional, Airheads MVP
West Chester University of PA
610-436-1069

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:24 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Though slightly off topic, I gotta chime in. I wish all major vendors offered 
an in-wall wireless AP option- very empowering for environments with lots of 
unused UTP.

Lee H. Badman
Wireless/Network Engineer
Information Technology and Services
Adjunct Instructor, iSchool
Syracuse University
315 443-3003


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]>
 On Behalf Of Harry Rauch
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:15 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Dorms are a bear to implement wireless, especially legacy buildings. We have 
had wireless APs in dorms for 6 years and have made several upgrades after 
discovering the weaknesses of different schemes.

Our two most difficult dorms are multi-bed apartments that are two-story inside 
the apartment. We elected to go with the Ruckus 2075 in-wall AP with four 
additional ports. The coverage has been excellent and we have only needed one 
per apartment. You may want to think of in-wall options similar to hotels.
Harry Rauch Sr. Network Analyst Eckerd College 4200 - 54th Ave S St. 
Petersburg, FL 33711

On 1/18/12 1:51 PM, Rick Brown wrote:
Sara,

We have not moved that way but are looking at implementing wireless in the 
dorms.   We have decided to factor in several things in determining the density 
of wireless.  You'll need to consider the fact that students are coming in with 
3-4 wireless devices per person these days with at least a couple being used 
simultaneously.  You'll also want to factor in the residence hall layouts.  
We've determined that we'll probably need to place at least one per suite.  
This is due both to multiple devices per user but also due to construction 
material and layout of the suites.  If you want to take full advantage of 
802.11N technology you'll also want to design based on 5GHz coverage with also 
reduces your coverage area.  Even in our older residence halls where there are 
two people per room and 4 to 5 bedrooms per suite one AP is going to be pushing 
it and we may find that we need two to a 8-10 person suite. Our residence halls 
tend to be constructed with concrete block with drastically reduces the 
coverage area of 5GHz.

I'm sure others that have already implemented wireless only can provide actual 
results but these are some of the things we're trying to factor in.

Rick



On 1/18/2012 1:05 PM, Laird, Sara M wrote:
Hello,

I am looking for anyone who has moved to wireless only dorms.  We have fast 
track dorm construction project that is starting and our CIO would like to make 
it wireless only.  I am wondering if anyone has done this and if so what kind 
of advice or comments can you share.  We will be using Cisco waps.  Also I am 
wondering what kind of ratio you based your access points on, how many devises 
per person.

Best Regards,

Sara

Sara M. Laird
Network Administrator
Mount Saint Mary's University
301.447.5014
Faith * Discovery * Leadership * Community
** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE 
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RE: Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Peter P Morrissey]

Hi Bruce,

Thank you for sharing more of the details. We currently have legacy coax to 
every location and Time Warner provides the CATV service. One of the reasons I 
asked the question was because we have contemplated in-sourcing it and 
delivering it over IP. We would have to replicate a plethora of offerings and 
channels that Time Warner currently provides in order to provide an equivalent 
service, not to mention a head end, set top boxes etc.  We already have the 
luxury of CAT5 or better to every pillow with dedicated 100 mbps FDX which I am 
guessing we would want to leverage if this concept ever went anywhere for us. 
But it is very helpful to hear about experiences pushing the limits with both 
wireless and IP to help us understand the possibilities. If we were to pursue 
something like this over wireless, we would probably hit up Cisco, our current 
vendor.

Pete

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:18 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Pete,

The numbers I am providing here may be outdated since I am not currently 
involved in our daily operations. Our IPTV solution was already in place and is 
handled by a different group here on campus.

We are providing 15 channels of encrypted 720p IPTV to clients running 
Haivision's VideoFurnace InStream client. During our testing before deployment, 
we had 20+ clients spread across the 15 channels viewing simultaneously 
connected to one Aruba AP-125 AP.

Since we deployed this in fall 2009, we have not had any complaints from our 
customer base due to the video streaming. We periodically experience congestion 
issues on our Internet connections, but that is unrelated to the video 
streaming.  We started only offering the IPTV service on a 5GHZ 802.11n-only 
SSID. Eventually, we got complaints from users with 802.11b/g/n clients that 
wanted this service. We then expanded the offering to our normal 802.11 a/b/g/n 
SSID and retired the "high speed" SSID.

Aruba's Dynamic Multicast Optimization technology is their "magic" We were 
involved during alpha & beta testing and were one of the first customers to 
deploy this to our customers. We worked directly with Aruba engineering to 
stress test this technology as it was being developed & refined.

I can put together a conference call to talk about this more offline in detail, 
if you wish. We have been very impressed with Aruba's technology and support. 
No vendor is perfect and, many times, we are running our system on custom code 
testing solutions to bugs we have found. We are doing things with Aruba's 
technology that other wireless vendors said could not be done.

Bruce Osborne
Network Engineer
IT Network Services

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011

From: Peter P Morrissey [mailto:ppmor...@syr.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Wireless only dorms, advice?

Bruce,

Are you saying that you are providing HDTV channels to all their wide screen 
TV's in the rooms over wireless that is equivalent in quality to what they 
would get from satellite or standard CATV? I would be curious to hear what the 
quality of experience is for the students watching HDTV, and what the 
experience is like for those surfing the net, as well as the download speeds 
and stability and latency they experience.

Thanks,
Pete



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]>
 On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 4:09 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Russ,

I disagree regarding IPTV. We have been successfully running IPTV with our 
Aruba system for over two years. We started with a single 5 GHz 11n-only SSID, 
and then expanded to an 802.11a/b/g/n SSID. I expect Cisco has something 
similar. I think Lee Badman is one of the Cisco experts here.


Bruce Osborne
Network Engineer
IT Network Services

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011

From: Russ Leathe 
[mailto:russ.lea...@gordon.edu]<mailto:[mailto:russ.lea...@gordon.edu]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Wireless only dorms, advice?

We just finished rolling out wifi to all dorms.  Each dorm is uniquely 
different in terms of age and/or construction materials.  I used a variety of 
tools to determine placement of ap's.  However, the first thing I did was place 
one or two AP's in area's that I thought would be strategic.  I used Air Magnet 
to determine if the heat map would provide adequate coverage. 

RE: Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Osborne, Bruce W]

Pete,

The numbers I am providing here may be outdated since I am not currently 
involved in our daily operations. Our IPTV solution was already in place and is 
handled by a different group here on campus.

We are providing 15 channels of encrypted 720p IPTV to clients running 
Haivision's VideoFurnace InStream client. During our testing before deployment, 
we had 20+ clients spread across the 15 channels viewing simultaneously 
connected to one Aruba AP-125 AP.

Since we deployed this in fall 2009, we have not had any complaints from our 
customer base due to the video streaming. We periodically experience congestion 
issues on our Internet connections, but that is unrelated to the video 
streaming.  We started only offering the IPTV service on a 5GHZ 802.11n-only 
SSID. Eventually, we got complaints from users with 802.11b/g/n clients that 
wanted this service. We then expanded the offering to our normal 802.11 a/b/g/n 
SSID and retired the "high speed" SSID.

Aruba's Dynamic Multicast Optimization technology is their "magic" We were 
involved during alpha & beta testing and were one of the first customers to 
deploy this to our customers. We worked directly with Aruba engineering to 
stress test this technology as it was being developed & refined.

I can put together a conference call to talk about this more offline in detail, 
if you wish. We have been very impressed with Aruba's technology and support. 
No vendor is perfect and, many times, we are running our system on custom code 
testing solutions to bugs we have found. We are doing things with Aruba's 
technology that other wireless vendors said could not be done.

Bruce Osborne
Network Engineer
IT Network Services

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011

From: Peter P Morrissey [mailto:ppmor...@syr.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Wireless only dorms, advice?

Bruce,

Are you saying that you are providing HDTV channels to all their wide screen 
TV's in the rooms over wireless that is equivalent in quality to what they 
would get from satellite or standard CATV? I would be curious to hear what the 
quality of experience is for the students watching HDTV, and what the 
experience is like for those surfing the net, as well as the download speeds 
and stability and latency they experience.

Thanks,
Pete



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]>
 On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 4:09 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Russ,

I disagree regarding IPTV. We have been successfully running IPTV with our 
Aruba system for over two years. We started with a single 5 GHz 11n-only SSID, 
and then expanded to an 802.11a/b/g/n SSID. I expect Cisco has something 
similar. I think Lee Badman is one of the Cisco experts here.


Bruce Osborne
Network Engineer
IT Network Services

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011

From: Russ Leathe 
[mailto:russ.lea...@gordon.edu]<mailto:[mailto:russ.lea...@gordon.edu]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Wireless only dorms, advice?

We just finished rolling out wifi to all dorms.  Each dorm is uniquely 
different in terms of age and/or construction materials.  I used a variety of 
tools to determine placement of ap's.  However, the first thing I did was place 
one or two AP's in area's that I thought would be strategic.  I used Air Magnet 
to determine if the heat map would provide adequate coverage.  I did a total of 
16 dorms like this and ended up adding 12 additional AP's in area's that had 
little coverage.  We installed a total of 424 Ap's and we added 12 more, not 
bad.

That said, I still have a small percentage of users with 'wire only' devices.  
Not to mention the game consoles that are still wire only.  That said, we will 
be building a new dorm next year.  I plan on wifi only but will include wired 
ports as well.
Granted, not the "port per pillow" we have been use to, but maybe "port per 
room".   I haven't made a decision yet.
Wireless is still half duplex and the best I can get out of 802.11n is 300mps.  
So, applications like IPTV, Digital Signage still require a wire. Not to 
mentioned fire alarms, HVAC. Phones, emergency notification...all things that 
we need to run a building,  still require a wire.

I have had as many as 20 clients on one AP, with no issues.  However, as more 
bandwidth intensive apps are available (not to mention the increase in 
devices), I suspect I will have to limit this.  So far, there has not been a 
need.

I hope this is helpful to you!

Russ
Gor

RE: Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Peter P Morrissey]

Bruce,

Are you saying that you are providing HDTV channels to all their wide screen 
TV's in the rooms over wireless that is equivalent in quality to what they 
would get from satellite or standard CATV? I would be curious to hear what the 
quality of experience is for the students watching HDTV, and what the 
experience is like for those surfing the net, as well as the download speeds 
and stability and latency they experience.

Thanks,
Pete



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 4:09 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Russ,

I disagree regarding IPTV. We have been successfully running IPTV with our 
Aruba system for over two years. We started with a single 5 GHz 11n-only SSID, 
and then expanded to an 802.11a/b/g/n SSID. I expect Cisco has something 
similar. I think Lee Badman is one of the Cisco experts here.


Bruce Osborne
Network Engineer
IT Network Services

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011

From: Russ Leathe [mailto:russ.lea...@gordon.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Wireless only dorms, advice?

We just finished rolling out wifi to all dorms.  Each dorm is uniquely 
different in terms of age and/or construction materials.  I used a variety of 
tools to determine placement of ap's.  However, the first thing I did was place 
one or two AP's in area's that I thought would be strategic.  I used Air Magnet 
to determine if the heat map would provide adequate coverage.  I did a total of 
16 dorms like this and ended up adding 12 additional AP's in area's that had 
little coverage.  We installed a total of 424 Ap's and we added 12 more, not 
bad.

That said, I still have a small percentage of users with 'wire only' devices.  
Not to mention the game consoles that are still wire only.  That said, we will 
be building a new dorm next year.  I plan on wifi only but will include wired 
ports as well.
Granted, not the "port per pillow" we have been use to, but maybe "port per 
room".   I haven't made a decision yet.
Wireless is still half duplex and the best I can get out of 802.11n is 300mps.  
So, applications like IPTV, Digital Signage still require a wire. Not to 
mentioned fire alarms, HVAC. Phones, emergency notification...all things that 
we need to run a building,  still require a wire.

I have had as many as 20 clients on one AP, with no issues.  However, as more 
bandwidth intensive apps are available (not to mention the increase in 
devices), I suspect I will have to limit this.  So far, there has not been a 
need.

I hope this is helpful to you!

Russ
Gordon College
r...@gordon.edu<mailto:r...@gordon.edu>

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]>
 On Behalf Of Laird, Sara M
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:05 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Hello,

I am looking for anyone who has moved to wireless only dorms.  We have fast 
track dorm construction project that is starting and our CIO would like to make 
it wireless only.  I am wondering if anyone has done this and if so what kind 
of advice or comments can you share.  We will be using Cisco waps.  Also I am 
wondering what kind of ratio you based your access points on, how many devises 
per person.

Best Regards,

Sara

Sara M. Laird
Network Administrator
Mount Saint Mary's University
301.447.5014
Faith * Discovery * Leadership * Community
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RE: Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Russ Leathe]

Sorry, I meant the STB-HD boxes not the client.  I should have been more clear.



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 4:09 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Russ,

I disagree regarding IPTV. We have been successfully running IPTV with our 
Aruba system for over two years. We started with a single 5 GHz 11n-only SSID, 
and then expanded to an 802.11a/b/g/n SSID. I expect Cisco has something 
similar. I think Lee Badman is one of the Cisco experts here.


Bruce Osborne
Network Engineer
IT Network Services

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011

From: Russ Leathe 
[mailto:russ.lea...@gordon.edu]<mailto:[mailto:russ.lea...@gordon.edu]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Wireless only dorms, advice?

We just finished rolling out wifi to all dorms.  Each dorm is uniquely 
different in terms of age and/or construction materials.  I used a variety of 
tools to determine placement of ap's.  However, the first thing I did was place 
one or two AP's in area's that I thought would be strategic.  I used Air Magnet 
to determine if the heat map would provide adequate coverage.  I did a total of 
16 dorms like this and ended up adding 12 additional AP's in area's that had 
little coverage.  We installed a total of 424 Ap's and we added 12 more, not 
bad.

That said, I still have a small percentage of users with 'wire only' devices.  
Not to mention the game consoles that are still wire only.  That said, we will 
be building a new dorm next year.  I plan on wifi only but will include wired 
ports as well.
Granted, not the "port per pillow" we have been use to, but maybe "port per 
room".   I haven't made a decision yet.
Wireless is still half duplex and the best I can get out of 802.11n is 300mps.  
So, applications like IPTV, Digital Signage still require a wire. Not to 
mentioned fire alarms, HVAC. Phones, emergency notification...all things that 
we need to run a building,  still require a wire.

I have had as many as 20 clients on one AP, with no issues.  However, as more 
bandwidth intensive apps are available (not to mention the increase in 
devices), I suspect I will have to limit this.  So far, there has not been a 
need.

I hope this is helpful to you!

Russ
Gordon College
r...@gordon.edu<mailto:r...@gordon.edu>

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]>
 On Behalf Of Laird, Sara M
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:05 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Hello,

I am looking for anyone who has moved to wireless only dorms.  We have fast 
track dorm construction project that is starting and our CIO would like to make 
it wireless only.  I am wondering if anyone has done this and if so what kind 
of advice or comments can you share.  We will be using Cisco waps.  Also I am 
wondering what kind of ratio you based your access points on, how many devises 
per person.

Best Regards,

Sara

Sara M. Laird
Network Administrator
Mount Saint Mary's University
301.447.5014
Faith * Discovery * Leadership * Community
** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE 
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RE: Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Osborne, Bruce W]

Russ,

I disagree regarding IPTV. We have been successfully running IPTV with our 
Aruba system for over two years. We started with a single 5 GHz 11n-only SSID, 
and then expanded to an 802.11a/b/g/n SSID. I expect Cisco has something 
similar. I think Lee Badman is one of the Cisco experts here.


Bruce Osborne
Network Engineer
IT Network Services

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011

From: Russ Leathe [mailto:russ.lea...@gordon.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Wireless only dorms, advice?

We just finished rolling out wifi to all dorms.  Each dorm is uniquely 
different in terms of age and/or construction materials.  I used a variety of 
tools to determine placement of ap's.  However, the first thing I did was place 
one or two AP's in area's that I thought would be strategic.  I used Air Magnet 
to determine if the heat map would provide adequate coverage.  I did a total of 
16 dorms like this and ended up adding 12 additional AP's in area's that had 
little coverage.  We installed a total of 424 Ap's and we added 12 more, not 
bad.

That said, I still have a small percentage of users with 'wire only' devices.  
Not to mention the game consoles that are still wire only.  That said, we will 
be building a new dorm next year.  I plan on wifi only but will include wired 
ports as well.
Granted, not the "port per pillow" we have been use to, but maybe "port per 
room".   I haven't made a decision yet.
Wireless is still half duplex and the best I can get out of 802.11n is 300mps.  
So, applications like IPTV, Digital Signage still require a wire. Not to 
mentioned fire alarms, HVAC. Phones, emergency notification...all things that 
we need to run a building,  still require a wire.

I have had as many as 20 clients on one AP, with no issues.  However, as more 
bandwidth intensive apps are available (not to mention the increase in 
devices), I suspect I will have to limit this.  So far, there has not been a 
need.

I hope this is helpful to you!

Russ
Gordon College
r...@gordon.edu<mailto:r...@gordon.edu>

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]>
 On Behalf Of Laird, Sara M
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:05 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Hello,

I am looking for anyone who has moved to wireless only dorms.  We have fast 
track dorm construction project that is starting and our CIO would like to make 
it wireless only.  I am wondering if anyone has done this and if so what kind 
of advice or comments can you share.  We will be using Cisco waps.  Also I am 
wondering what kind of ratio you based your access points on, how many devises 
per person.

Best Regards,

Sara

Sara M. Laird
Network Administrator
Mount Saint Mary's University
301.447.5014
Faith * Discovery * Leadership * Community
** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE 
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Luis Fernando Valverde]

I would like to know if anyone has evaluated to use Internet Service
Provider level APs to cover and offer wireless services in dorms or wide
areas with hundreds of users, instead of using Enterprise APs designed to
support 25 users per AP.

Soon, we are going to test GoNet Systems ISP level APs to serve
approximately 300-400 users in 4 adjacent classrooms on first floor and 12
study rooms on second floor.


---
Luis Fernando Valverde
Director de Tecnología de Información y Comunicaciones
INCAE Business School
Tel: 506+ 24 37 23 38
www.incae.edu


On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Voll, Toivo  wrote:

> I pretty much second Rick’s comments. We also don’t have wireless-only
> dorms yet, but the next one will have much less wire than our existing ones.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> One AP per suite is what we’ve done, but you have to also consider non-RF
> placement issues – vandalism concerns, maintenance access and residents
> complaining about blinky lights above their beds. 
>
> ** **
>
> Does the architect have issue with visible APs? If the APs are above
> ceiling / behind walls, do indeed check the materials and placement of
> ventilation ducts. Also, plan on PoE switches (and UPSes?) so power-cycling
> capability and visibility into the gear are improved.
>
> ** **
>
> Keep in mind that the tiling of 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz doesn’t have to be the
> same, nor power levels, since the number of non-overlapping channels
> differs. I’d try to find as many carrots as possible to steer people to 5
> GHz. 2.4 GHz is a pain, with game console controllers, microwaves and
> number of other consumer devices adding to the lack of channels. Depending
> on your vendor, having a good ability to sniff the air / do spectrum
> analysis can be helpful in figuring out whether a wing just lost
> connectivity due to a microwave, misbehaving AP or rogue AP. Other design
> decisions – do you plan to support broadcast/multicast discovery (wireless
> printers, time capsules etc.) or legacy devices that require low data rates
> (i.e. Nintendo).
>
> ** **
>
> Toivo Voll
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Information Technology Communications
>
> University of South Florida
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Rick Brown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 18, 2012 13:52
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?
>
> ** **
>
> Sara,
>
> We have not moved that way but are looking at implementing wireless in the
> dorms.   We have decided to factor in several things in determining the
> density of wireless.  You'll need to consider the fact that students are
> coming in with 3-4 wireless devices per person these days with at least a
> couple being used simultaneously.  You'll also want to factor in the
> residence hall layouts.  We've determined that we'll probably need to place
> at least one per suite.  This is due both to multiple devices per user but
> also due to construction material and layout of the suites.  If you want to
> take full advantage of 802.11N technology you'll also want to design based
> on 5GHz coverage with also reduces your coverage area.  Even in our older
> residence halls where there are two people per room and 4 to 5 bedrooms per
> suite one AP is going to be pushing it and we may find that we need two to
> a 8-10 person suite. Our residence halls tend to be constructed with
> concrete block with drastically reduces the coverage area of 5GHz.
>
> I'm sure others that have already implemented wireless only can provide
> actual results but these are some of the things we're trying to factor in.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> On 1/18/2012 1:05 PM, Laird, Sara M wrote: 
>
> Hello,
>
>  
>
> I am looking for anyone who has moved to wireless only dorms.  We have
> fast track dorm construction project that is starting and our CIO would
> like to make it wireless only.  I am wondering if anyone has done this and
> if so what kind of advice or comments can you share.  We will be using
> Cisco waps.  Also I am wondering what kind of ratio you based your access
> points on, how many devises per person.  
>
>  
>
> Best Regards, 
>
>  
>
> Sara
>
>  
>
> Sara M. Laird
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Mount Saint Mary's University
>
> 301.447.5014
>
> Faith t Discovery t

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Craig Eyre]

Hey All,

Just keep in mind that there are very few smartphone/tablets that support
802.11n in the 5Ghz and iPhones(at least half of smartphones here) don't
even support 5Ghz period (not even 802.11a). I don't look after our dorms
wireless but they implemented a "fast" SSID in the 5Ghz 802.11n to allow
the people who wish to move ahead with technology a better experience and
then an ssid in the 2.4Ghz.

Just some ideas for you.



Craig Eyre
Network Analyst
IT Services Department
Mount Royal University
4825 Mount Royal Gate SW
Calgary AB T2P 3T5

P. 403.440.5199
E. ce...@mtroyal.ca

"The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of
strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will."  Vincent
T. Lombardi




From:   "Robertson, Joshua A." 
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Date:   01/18/2012 01:17 PM
Subject:    Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?
Sent by:The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv




We purchased a few older apartment buildings which we converted to dorms
and are doing wireless only in them.  For the wireless we’re using Cisco
1142i and put one per apartment (some apartments are 2 beds, some are 4).

As mentioned you definitely want to do PoE on the switches to provide
better power visibility and have a good UPS.  Since you’re going Cisco as
well I’d suggest N+N controller redundancy as this will be their only
network connectivity.  If I were doing it now I’d go with a 3500 series for
CleanAir, but that wasn’t available at the time.

The only issue we’ve really ran into are gaming systems which wanted to use
lower rates or couldn’t handle our captive portal authentication.

Also starting in the Fall in our other residence halls we shut down all
wired jacks prior to move in and only activated them upon request (no
charge).  All the dorms have 802.11n (mostly Cisco 3502i) installed in the
hallway (densely) with the exception of a handful with APs in the rooms.  I
created a couple web-forms for the students to use.  One activates the port
+ creates an 802.1x exception for a gaming device (known gaming OUIs), the
other just activates the port for computer usage.  While we have had a lot
of gaming device activations, we have seen very few activations for
computer usage.  So as such it seems that our users have pretty much gone
wi-fi only for their computers and are just using the wired ports for
gaming at this point.

But personally if I were in charge of new construction I would still want
one cabled drop in addition to the AP in the room and would do activations
upon request as Philippe mentioned.

Josh Robertson
Network Systems Senior Engineer
Old Dominion University
Office of Computing & Communications Services
(757)683-5046
j2rob...@odu.edu
http://occs.odu.edu/
(Embedded image moved to file: pic24230.jpg)Description: wifilogoside-small

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Voll, Toivo
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:48 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

I pretty much second Rick’s comments. We also don’t have wireless-only
dorms yet, but the next one will have much less wire than our existing
ones.

One AP per suite is what we’ve done, but you have to also consider non-RF
placement issues – vandalism concerns, maintenance access and residents
complaining about blinky lights above their beds.

Does the architect have issue with visible APs? If the APs are above
ceiling / behind walls, do indeed check the materials and placement of
ventilation ducts. Also, plan on PoE switches (and UPSes?) so power-cycling
capability and visibility into the gear are improved.

Keep in mind that the tiling of 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz doesn’t have to be the
same, nor power levels, since the number of non-overlapping channels
differs. I’d try to find as many carrots as possible to steer people to 5
GHz. 2.4 GHz is a pain, with game console controllers, microwaves and
number of other consumer devices adding to the lack of channels. Depending
on your vendor, having a good ability to sniff the air / do spectrum
analysis can be helpful in figuring out whether a wing just lost
connectivity due to a microwave, misbehaving AP or rogue AP. Other design
decisions – do you plan to support broadcast/multicast discovery (wireless
printers, time capsules etc.) or legacy devices that require low data rates
(i.e. Nintendo).

Toivo Voll
Network Administrator
Information Technology Communications
University of South Florida



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rick Brown
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 13:52
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Sara,

We have not moved that way but are looking at i

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Robertson, Joshua A.]

We purchased a few older apartment buildings which we converted to dorms and 
are doing wireless only in them.  For the wireless we’re using Cisco 1142i and 
put one per apartment (some apartments are 2 beds, some are 4).

As mentioned you definitely want to do PoE on the switches to provide better 
power visibility and have a good UPS.  Since you’re going Cisco as well I’d 
suggest N+N controller redundancy as this will be their only network 
connectivity.  If I were doing it now I’d go with a 3500 series for CleanAir, 
but that wasn’t available at the time.

The only issue we’ve really ran into are gaming systems which wanted to use 
lower rates or couldn’t handle our captive portal authentication.

Also starting in the Fall in our other residence halls we shut down all wired 
jacks prior to move in and only activated them upon request (no charge).  All 
the dorms have 802.11n (mostly Cisco 3502i) installed in the hallway (densely) 
with the exception of a handful with APs in the rooms.  I created a couple 
web-forms for the students to use.  One activates the port + creates an 802.1x 
exception for a gaming device (known gaming OUIs), the other just activates the 
port for computer usage.  While we have had a lot of gaming device activations, 
we have seen very few activations for computer usage.  So as such it seems that 
our users have pretty much gone wi-fi only for their computers and are just 
using the wired ports for gaming at this point.

But personally if I were in charge of new construction I would still want one 
cabled drop in addition to the AP in the room and would do activations upon 
request as Philippe mentioned.

Josh Robertson
Network Systems Senior Engineer
Old Dominion University
Office of Computing & Communications Services
(757)683-5046
j2rob...@odu.edu<mailto:j2rob...@odu.edu>
http://occs.odu.edu/
[cid:image001.jpg@01CCD5F4.13A504A0]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Voll, Toivo
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:48 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

I pretty much second Rick’s comments. We also don’t have wireless-only dorms 
yet, but the next one will have much less wire than our existing ones.

One AP per suite is what we’ve done, but you have to also consider non-RF 
placement issues – vandalism concerns, maintenance access and residents 
complaining about blinky lights above their beds.

Does the architect have issue with visible APs? If the APs are above ceiling / 
behind walls, do indeed check the materials and placement of ventilation ducts. 
Also, plan on PoE switches (and UPSes?) so power-cycling capability and 
visibility into the gear are improved.

Keep in mind that the tiling of 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz doesn’t have to be the same, 
nor power levels, since the number of non-overlapping channels differs. I’d try 
to find as many carrots as possible to steer people to 5 GHz. 2.4 GHz is a 
pain, with game console controllers, microwaves and number of other consumer 
devices adding to the lack of channels. Depending on your vendor, having a good 
ability to sniff the air / do spectrum analysis can be helpful in figuring out 
whether a wing just lost connectivity due to a microwave, misbehaving AP or 
rogue AP. Other design decisions – do you plan to support broadcast/multicast 
discovery (wireless printers, time capsules etc.) or legacy devices that 
require low data rates (i.e. Nintendo).

Toivo Voll
Network Administrator
Information Technology Communications
University of South Florida



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]>
 On Behalf Of Rick Brown
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 13:52
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Sara,

We have not moved that way but are looking at implementing wireless in the 
dorms.   We have decided to factor in several things in determining the density 
of wireless.  You'll need to consider the fact that students are coming in with 
3-4 wireless devices per person these days with at least a couple being used 
simultaneously.  You'll also want to factor in the residence hall layouts.  
We've determined that we'll probably need to place at least one per suite.  
This is due both to multiple devices per user but also due to construction 
material and layout of the suites.  If you want to take full advantage of 
802.11N technology you'll also want to design based on 5GHz coverage with also 
reduces your coverage area.  Even in our older residence halls where there are 
two people per room and 4 to 5 bedrooms per suite one AP is going to be pushing 
it and we may find that we need two to a 8-10 person suite. Our residence ha

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Jennings, Zachariah E.]

I totally agree. They definitely make retrofitting an older dorm a lot easier.

Zach Jennings
Senior Network Server Manager
Aruba Certified Mobility Professional, Airheads MVP
West Chester University of PA
610-436-1069

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:46 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Yeah- but even better are single-gang flush mount. 
http://www.extremenetworks.com/products/altitude-4511.aspx who makes it is 
irrelevant to my point- just calling out the power of not running new wire for 
wireless on the ceiling when lots of it is sitting there unused in the wall.

But you do help make the point!


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]>
 On Behalf Of Jennings, Zachariah E.
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:39 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

You mean like this?
http://www.arubanetworks.com/product/aruba-ap-93h-access-point/

Zach Jennings
Senior Network Server Manager
Aruba Certified Mobility Professional, Airheads MVP
West Chester University of PA
610-436-1069

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]>
 On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:24 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Though slightly off topic, I gotta chime in. I wish all major vendors offered 
an in-wall wireless AP option- very empowering for environments with lots of 
unused UTP.

Lee H. Badman
Wireless/Network Engineer
Information Technology and Services
Adjunct Instructor, iSchool
Syracuse University
315 443-3003


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]>
 On Behalf Of Harry Rauch
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:15 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Dorms are a bear to implement wireless, especially legacy buildings. We have 
had wireless APs in dorms for 6 years and have made several upgrades after 
discovering the weaknesses of different schemes.

Our two most difficult dorms are multi-bed apartments that are two-story inside 
the apartment. We elected to go with the Ruckus 2075 in-wall AP with four 
additional ports. The coverage has been excellent and we have only needed one 
per apartment. You may want to think of in-wall options similar to hotels.
Harry Rauch Sr. Network Analyst Eckerd College 4200 - 54th Ave S St. 
Petersburg, FL 33711

On 1/18/12 1:51 PM, Rick Brown wrote:
Sara,

We have not moved that way but are looking at implementing wireless in the 
dorms.   We have decided to factor in several things in determining the density 
of wireless.  You'll need to consider the fact that students are coming in with 
3-4 wireless devices per person these days with at least a couple being used 
simultaneously.  You'll also want to factor in the residence hall layouts.  
We've determined that we'll probably need to place at least one per suite.  
This is due both to multiple devices per user but also due to construction 
material and layout of the suites.  If you want to take full advantage of 
802.11N technology you'll also want to design based on 5GHz coverage with also 
reduces your coverage area.  Even in our older residence halls where there are 
two people per room and 4 to 5 bedrooms per suite one AP is going to be pushing 
it and we may find that we need two to a 8-10 person suite. Our residence halls 
tend to be constructed with concrete block with drastically reduces the 
coverage area of 5GHz.

I'm sure others that have already implemented wireless only can provide actual 
results but these are some of the things we're trying to factor in.

Rick



On 1/18/2012 1:05 PM, Laird, Sara M wrote:
Hello,

I am looking for anyone who has moved to wireless only dorms.  We have fast 
track dorm construction project that is starting and our CIO would like to make 
it wireless only.  I am wondering if anyone has done this and if so what kind 
of advice or comments can you share.  We will be using Cisco waps.  Also I am 
wondering what kind of ratio you based your access points on, how many devises 
per person.

Best Regards,

Sara

Sara M. Laird
Network Administrator
Mount Saint Mary's University
301.447.5014
Faith * Discovery * Leadership * Community

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Voll, Toivo]

I pretty much second Rick’s comments. We also don’t have wireless-only dorms 
yet, but the next one will have much less wire than our existing ones.

One AP per suite is what we’ve done, but you have to also consider non-RF 
placement issues – vandalism concerns, maintenance access and residents 
complaining about blinky lights above their beds.

Does the architect have issue with visible APs? If the APs are above ceiling / 
behind walls, do indeed check the materials and placement of ventilation ducts. 
Also, plan on PoE switches (and UPSes?) so power-cycling capability and 
visibility into the gear are improved.

Keep in mind that the tiling of 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz doesn’t have to be the same, 
nor power levels, since the number of non-overlapping channels differs. I’d try 
to find as many carrots as possible to steer people to 5 GHz. 2.4 GHz is a 
pain, with game console controllers, microwaves and number of other consumer 
devices adding to the lack of channels. Depending on your vendor, having a good 
ability to sniff the air / do spectrum analysis can be helpful in figuring out 
whether a wing just lost connectivity due to a microwave, misbehaving AP or 
rogue AP. Other design decisions – do you plan to support broadcast/multicast 
discovery (wireless printers, time capsules etc.) or legacy devices that 
require low data rates (i.e. Nintendo).

Toivo Voll
Network Administrator
Information Technology Communications
University of South Florida



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rick Brown
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 13:52
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Sara,

We have not moved that way but are looking at implementing wireless in the 
dorms.   We have decided to factor in several things in determining the density 
of wireless.  You'll need to consider the fact that students are coming in with 
3-4 wireless devices per person these days with at least a couple being used 
simultaneously.  You'll also want to factor in the residence hall layouts.  
We've determined that we'll probably need to place at least one per suite.  
This is due both to multiple devices per user but also due to construction 
material and layout of the suites.  If you want to take full advantage of 
802.11N technology you'll also want to design based on 5GHz coverage with also 
reduces your coverage area.  Even in our older residence halls where there are 
two people per room and 4 to 5 bedrooms per suite one AP is going to be pushing 
it and we may find that we need two to a 8-10 person suite. Our residence halls 
tend to be constructed with concrete block with drastically reduces the 
coverage area of 5GHz.

I'm sure others that have already implemented wireless only can provide actual 
results but these are some of the things we're trying to factor in.

Rick



On 1/18/2012 1:05 PM, Laird, Sara M wrote:
Hello,

I am looking for anyone who has moved to wireless only dorms.  We have fast 
track dorm construction project that is starting and our CIO would like to make 
it wireless only.  I am wondering if anyone has done this and if so what kind 
of advice or comments can you share.  We will be using Cisco waps.  Also I am 
wondering what kind of ratio you based your access points on, how many devises 
per person.

Best Regards,

Sara

Sara M. Laird
Network Administrator
Mount Saint Mary's University
301.447.5014
Faith • Discovery • Leadership • Community
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Lee H Badman]

Yeah- some are single-band with the notion that you'd put 5 GHz in one single 
gang existing cable location, 2.4 Ghz in the next... odd sounding at first, but 
opens up a lot of creative options (again, where you have existing UTP).

-Lee
 
 

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jethro R Binks
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:40 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

On Wed, 18 Jan 2012, Lee H Badman wrote:

> Though slightly off topic, I gotta chime in. I wish all major vendors 
> offered an in-wall wireless AP option- very empowering for environments 
> with lots of unused UTP.

Seems to be getting better.  Aruba have just announced something 
("wall-to-wall wifi"), HP introduced something last year, and Brocade's 
rebadged Motorola solution has had one for a while, and it seems Ruckus 
too.  Dunno about Cisco, but if not now it is probably coming.

Need to keep an eye on the capabilites of them though; some may or may 
not offer 11n, or maybe only at 2.4G.

Jethro.


> 
> Lee H. Badman
> Wireless/Network Engineer
> Information Technology and Services
> Adjunct Instructor, iSchool
> Syracuse University
> 315 443-3003
> 
> 
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Harry Rauch
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:15 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?
> 
> Dorms are a bear to implement wireless, especially legacy buildings. We 
> have had wireless APs in dorms for 6 years and have made several 
> upgrades after discovering the weaknesses of different schemes.
> 
> Our two most difficult dorms are multi-bed apartments that are two-story 
> inside the apartment. We elected to go with the Ruckus 2075 in-wall AP 
> with four additional ports. The coverage has been excellent and we have 
> only needed one per apartment. You may want to think of in-wall options 
> similar to hotels.
> 
> Harry Rauch Sr. Network Analyst Eckerd College 4200 - 54th Ave S St. 
> Petersburg, FL 33711
> 
> On 1/18/12 1:51 PM, Rick Brown wrote:
> Sara,
> 
> We have not moved that way but are looking at implementing wireless in the 
> dorms.   We have decided to factor in several things in determining the 
> density of wireless.  You'll need to consider the fact that students are 
> coming in with 3-4 wireless devices per person these days with at least a 
> couple being used simultaneously.  You'll also want to factor in the 
> residence hall layouts.  We've determined that we'll probably need to place 
> at least one per suite.  This is due both to multiple devices per user but 
> also due to construction material and layout of the suites.  If you want to 
> take full advantage of 802.11N technology you'll also want to design based on 
> 5GHz coverage with also reduces your coverage area.  Even in our older 
> residence halls where there are two people per room and 4 to 5 bedrooms per 
> suite one AP is going to be pushing it and we may find that we need two to a 
> 8-10 person suite. Our residence halls tend to be constructed with concrete 
> block with drastica!
 lly reduces the coverage area of 5GHz.
> 
> I'm sure others that have already implemented wireless only can provide 
> actual results but these are some of the things we're trying to factor in.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/18/2012 1:05 PM, Laird, Sara M wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am looking for anyone who has moved to wireless only dorms.  We have fast 
> track dorm construction project that is starting and our CIO would like to 
> make it wireless only.  I am wondering if anyone has done this and if so what 
> kind of advice or comments can you share.  We will be using Cisco waps.  Also 
> I am wondering what kind of ratio you based your access points on, how many 
> devises per person.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Sara
> 
> Sara M. Laird
> Network Administrator
> Mount Saint Mary's University
> 301.447.5014
> Faith * Discovery * Leadership * Community
> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE 
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Lee H Badman]

Yeah- but even better are single-gang flush mount. 
http://www.extremenetworks.com/products/altitude-4511.aspx who makes it is 
irrelevant to my point- just calling out the power of not running new wire for 
wireless on the ceiling when lots of it is sitting there unused in the wall.

But you do help make the point!


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jennings, Zachariah E.
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:39 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

You mean like this?
http://www.arubanetworks.com/product/aruba-ap-93h-access-point/

Zach Jennings
Senior Network Server Manager
Aruba Certified Mobility Professional, Airheads MVP
West Chester University of PA
610-436-1069

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:24 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Though slightly off topic, I gotta chime in. I wish all major vendors offered 
an in-wall wireless AP option- very empowering for environments with lots of 
unused UTP.

Lee H. Badman
Wireless/Network Engineer
Information Technology and Services
Adjunct Instructor, iSchool
Syracuse University
315 443-3003


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]>
 On Behalf Of Harry Rauch
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:15 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Dorms are a bear to implement wireless, especially legacy buildings. We have 
had wireless APs in dorms for 6 years and have made several upgrades after 
discovering the weaknesses of different schemes.

Our two most difficult dorms are multi-bed apartments that are two-story inside 
the apartment. We elected to go with the Ruckus 2075 in-wall AP with four 
additional ports. The coverage has been excellent and we have only needed one 
per apartment. You may want to think of in-wall options similar to hotels.
Harry Rauch Sr. Network Analyst Eckerd College 4200 - 54th Ave S St. 
Petersburg, FL 33711

On 1/18/12 1:51 PM, Rick Brown wrote:
Sara,

We have not moved that way but are looking at implementing wireless in the 
dorms.   We have decided to factor in several things in determining the density 
of wireless.  You'll need to consider the fact that students are coming in with 
3-4 wireless devices per person these days with at least a couple being used 
simultaneously.  You'll also want to factor in the residence hall layouts.  
We've determined that we'll probably need to place at least one per suite.  
This is due both to multiple devices per user but also due to construction 
material and layout of the suites.  If you want to take full advantage of 
802.11N technology you'll also want to design based on 5GHz coverage with also 
reduces your coverage area.  Even in our older residence halls where there are 
two people per room and 4 to 5 bedrooms per suite one AP is going to be pushing 
it and we may find that we need two to a 8-10 person suite. Our residence halls 
tend to be constructed with concrete block with drastically reduces the 
coverage area of 5GHz.

I'm sure others that have already implemented wireless only can provide actual 
results but these are some of the things we're trying to factor in.

Rick



On 1/18/2012 1:05 PM, Laird, Sara M wrote:
Hello,

I am looking for anyone who has moved to wireless only dorms.  We have fast 
track dorm construction project that is starting and our CIO would like to make 
it wireless only.  I am wondering if anyone has done this and if so what kind 
of advice or comments can you share.  We will be using Cisco waps.  Also I am 
wondering what kind of ratio you based your access points on, how many devises 
per person.

Best Regards,

Sara

Sara M. Laird
Network Administrator
Mount Saint Mary's University
301.447.5014
Faith * Discovery * Leadership * Community
** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE 
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Jethro R Binks]

On Wed, 18 Jan 2012, Lee H Badman wrote:

> Though slightly off topic, I gotta chime in. I wish all major vendors 
> offered an in-wall wireless AP option- very empowering for environments 
> with lots of unused UTP.

Seems to be getting better.  Aruba have just announced something 
("wall-to-wall wifi"), HP introduced something last year, and Brocade's 
rebadged Motorola solution has had one for a while, and it seems Ruckus 
too.  Dunno about Cisco, but if not now it is probably coming.

Need to keep an eye on the capabilites of them though; some may or may 
not offer 11n, or maybe only at 2.4G.

Jethro.


> 
> Lee H. Badman
> Wireless/Network Engineer
> Information Technology and Services
> Adjunct Instructor, iSchool
> Syracuse University
> 315 443-3003
> 
> 
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Harry Rauch
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:15 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?
> 
> Dorms are a bear to implement wireless, especially legacy buildings. We 
> have had wireless APs in dorms for 6 years and have made several 
> upgrades after discovering the weaknesses of different schemes.
> 
> Our two most difficult dorms are multi-bed apartments that are two-story 
> inside the apartment. We elected to go with the Ruckus 2075 in-wall AP 
> with four additional ports. The coverage has been excellent and we have 
> only needed one per apartment. You may want to think of in-wall options 
> similar to hotels.
> 
> Harry Rauch Sr. Network Analyst Eckerd College 4200 - 54th Ave S St. 
> Petersburg, FL 33711
> 
> On 1/18/12 1:51 PM, Rick Brown wrote:
> Sara,
> 
> We have not moved that way but are looking at implementing wireless in the 
> dorms.   We have decided to factor in several things in determining the 
> density of wireless.  You'll need to consider the fact that students are 
> coming in with 3-4 wireless devices per person these days with at least a 
> couple being used simultaneously.  You'll also want to factor in the 
> residence hall layouts.  We've determined that we'll probably need to place 
> at least one per suite.  This is due both to multiple devices per user but 
> also due to construction material and layout of the suites.  If you want to 
> take full advantage of 802.11N technology you'll also want to design based on 
> 5GHz coverage with also reduces your coverage area.  Even in our older 
> residence halls where there are two people per room and 4 to 5 bedrooms per 
> suite one AP is going to be pushing it and we may find that we need two to a 
> 8-10 person suite. Our residence halls tend to be constructed with concrete 
> block with drastically reduces the coverage area of 5GHz.
> 
> I'm sure others that have already implemented wireless only can provide 
> actual results but these are some of the things we're trying to factor in.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/18/2012 1:05 PM, Laird, Sara M wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am looking for anyone who has moved to wireless only dorms.  We have fast 
> track dorm construction project that is starting and our CIO would like to 
> make it wireless only.  I am wondering if anyone has done this and if so what 
> kind of advice or comments can you share.  We will be using Cisco waps.  Also 
> I am wondering what kind of ratio you based your access points on, how many 
> devises per person.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Sara
> 
> Sara M. Laird
> Network Administrator
> Mount Saint Mary's University
> 301.447.5014
> Faith * Discovery * Leadership * Community
> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE 
> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at 
> http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
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> 

.  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
Jethro R Binks, Network Manager,
Information Services Directorate, University Of Strathclyde, Glasgow, UK

The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in
Scotland, number SC015263.

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Jennings, Zachariah E.]

You mean like this?
http://www.arubanetworks.com/product/aruba-ap-93h-access-point/

Zach Jennings
Senior Network Server Manager
Aruba Certified Mobility Professional, Airheads MVP
West Chester University of PA
610-436-1069

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:24 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Though slightly off topic, I gotta chime in. I wish all major vendors offered 
an in-wall wireless AP option- very empowering for environments with lots of 
unused UTP.

Lee H. Badman
Wireless/Network Engineer
Information Technology and Services
Adjunct Instructor, iSchool
Syracuse University
315 443-3003


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]>
 On Behalf Of Harry Rauch
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:15 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Dorms are a bear to implement wireless, especially legacy buildings. We have 
had wireless APs in dorms for 6 years and have made several upgrades after 
discovering the weaknesses of different schemes.

Our two most difficult dorms are multi-bed apartments that are two-story inside 
the apartment. We elected to go with the Ruckus 2075 in-wall AP with four 
additional ports. The coverage has been excellent and we have only needed one 
per apartment. You may want to think of in-wall options similar to hotels.
Harry Rauch Sr. Network Analyst Eckerd College 4200 - 54th Ave S St. 
Petersburg, FL 33711

On 1/18/12 1:51 PM, Rick Brown wrote:
Sara,

We have not moved that way but are looking at implementing wireless in the 
dorms.   We have decided to factor in several things in determining the density 
of wireless.  You'll need to consider the fact that students are coming in with 
3-4 wireless devices per person these days with at least a couple being used 
simultaneously.  You'll also want to factor in the residence hall layouts.  
We've determined that we'll probably need to place at least one per suite.  
This is due both to multiple devices per user but also due to construction 
material and layout of the suites.  If you want to take full advantage of 
802.11N technology you'll also want to design based on 5GHz coverage with also 
reduces your coverage area.  Even in our older residence halls where there are 
two people per room and 4 to 5 bedrooms per suite one AP is going to be pushing 
it and we may find that we need two to a 8-10 person suite. Our residence halls 
tend to be constructed with concrete block with drastically reduces the 
coverage area of 5GHz.

I'm sure others that have already implemented wireless only can provide actual 
results but these are some of the things we're trying to factor in.

Rick



On 1/18/2012 1:05 PM, Laird, Sara M wrote:
Hello,

I am looking for anyone who has moved to wireless only dorms.  We have fast 
track dorm construction project that is starting and our CIO would like to make 
it wireless only.  I am wondering if anyone has done this and if so what kind 
of advice or comments can you share.  We will be using Cisco waps.  Also I am 
wondering what kind of ratio you based your access points on, how many devises 
per person.

Best Regards,

Sara

Sara M. Laird
Network Administrator
Mount Saint Mary's University
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Hanset, Philippe C]

Sara,

We are testing wireless only, and here is what I would do if I were making a 
new dorm:
-Pull 2 UTP circuits to each room (it lasts decades and doesn't add that much 
to the total cost of the building)
-Activate those circuits only on request and for a fee (only have enough switch 
ports for your APs, don't buy electronics
for wired ports unless requested. You will most likely end up with spare ports 
on your switches for wireless anyway.
-5 and 2.4 GHz wireless everywhere with a maximum of 6-8 people per AP
-Locate APs in rooms using one of the two UTP (1 AP for 3 rooms, assuming 2 
people per room)
-Locate circuits in a convenient place for wired and wireless

Somewhat modular. In the future if you need more ports you can always use one 
of those APs with built-in hubs (e.g. Aruba 93H, Motorola, Hopefully Cisco will 
have one ;-)

Philippe

Philippe Hanset
Univ. of TN, Knoxville
www.eduroamus.org





On Jan 18, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Laird, Sara M wrote:

Hello,

I am looking for anyone who has moved to wireless only dorms.  We have fast 
track dorm construction project that is starting and our CIO would like to make 
it wireless only.  I am wondering if anyone has done this and if so what kind 
of advice or comments can you share.  We will be using Cisco waps.  Also I am 
wondering what kind of ratio you based your access points on, how many devises 
per person.

Best Regards,

Sara

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Mount Saint Mary's University
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Lee H Badman]

Though slightly off topic, I gotta chime in. I wish all major vendors offered 
an in-wall wireless AP option- very empowering for environments with lots of 
unused UTP.

Lee H. Badman
Wireless/Network Engineer
Information Technology and Services
Adjunct Instructor, iSchool
Syracuse University
315 443-3003


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Harry Rauch
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:15 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Dorms are a bear to implement wireless, especially legacy buildings. We have 
had wireless APs in dorms for 6 years and have made several upgrades after 
discovering the weaknesses of different schemes.

Our two most difficult dorms are multi-bed apartments that are two-story inside 
the apartment. We elected to go with the Ruckus 2075 in-wall AP with four 
additional ports. The coverage has been excellent and we have only needed one 
per apartment. You may want to think of in-wall options similar to hotels.

Harry Rauch Sr. Network Analyst Eckerd College 4200 - 54th Ave S St. 
Petersburg, FL 33711

On 1/18/12 1:51 PM, Rick Brown wrote:
Sara,

We have not moved that way but are looking at implementing wireless in the 
dorms.   We have decided to factor in several things in determining the density 
of wireless.  You'll need to consider the fact that students are coming in with 
3-4 wireless devices per person these days with at least a couple being used 
simultaneously.  You'll also want to factor in the residence hall layouts.  
We've determined that we'll probably need to place at least one per suite.  
This is due both to multiple devices per user but also due to construction 
material and layout of the suites.  If you want to take full advantage of 
802.11N technology you'll also want to design based on 5GHz coverage with also 
reduces your coverage area.  Even in our older residence halls where there are 
two people per room and 4 to 5 bedrooms per suite one AP is going to be pushing 
it and we may find that we need two to a 8-10 person suite. Our residence halls 
tend to be constructed with concrete block with drastically reduces the 
coverage area of 5GHz.

I'm sure others that have already implemented wireless only can provide actual 
results but these are some of the things we're trying to factor in.

Rick



On 1/18/2012 1:05 PM, Laird, Sara M wrote:
Hello,

I am looking for anyone who has moved to wireless only dorms.  We have fast 
track dorm construction project that is starting and our CIO would like to make 
it wireless only.  I am wondering if anyone has done this and if so what kind 
of advice or comments can you share.  We will be using Cisco waps.  Also I am 
wondering what kind of ratio you based your access points on, how many devises 
per person.

Best Regards,

Sara

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Mount Saint Mary's University
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RE: Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Russ Leathe]

We just finished rolling out wifi to all dorms.  Each dorm is uniquely 
different in terms of age and/or construction materials.  I used a variety of 
tools to determine placement of ap's.  However, the first thing I did was place 
one or two AP's in area's that I thought would be strategic.  I used Air Magnet 
to determine if the heat map would provide adequate coverage.  I did a total of 
16 dorms like this and ended up adding 12 additional AP's in area's that had 
little coverage.  We installed a total of 424 Ap's and we added 12 more, not 
bad.

That said, I still have a small percentage of users with 'wire only' devices.  
Not to mention the game consoles that are still wire only.  That said, we will 
be building a new dorm next year.  I plan on wifi only but will include wired 
ports as well.
Granted, not the "port per pillow" we have been use to, but maybe "port per 
room".   I haven't made a decision yet.
Wireless is still half duplex and the best I can get out of 802.11n is 300mps.  
So, applications like IPTV, Digital Signage still require a wire. Not to 
mentioned fire alarms, HVAC. Phones, emergency notification...all things that 
we need to run a building,  still require a wire.

I have had as many as 20 clients on one AP, with no issues.  However, as more 
bandwidth intensive apps are available (not to mention the increase in 
devices), I suspect I will have to limit this.  So far, there has not been a 
need.

I hope this is helpful to you!

Russ
Gordon College
r...@gordon.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Laird, Sara M
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:05 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?

Hello,

I am looking for anyone who has moved to wireless only dorms.  We have fast 
track dorm construction project that is starting and our CIO would like to make 
it wireless only.  I am wondering if anyone has done this and if so what kind 
of advice or comments can you share.  We will be using Cisco waps.  Also I am 
wondering what kind of ratio you based your access points on, how many devises 
per person.

Best Regards,

Sara

Sara M. Laird
Network Administrator
Mount Saint Mary's University
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Wireless only dorms, advice?

[Laird, Sara M]

Hello,

I am looking for anyone who has moved to wireless only dorms.  We have fast 
track dorm construction project that is starting and our CIO would like to make 
it wireless only.  I am wondering if anyone has done this and if so what kind 
of advice or comments can you share.  We will be using Cisco waps.  Also I am 
wondering what kind of ratio you based your access points on, how many devises 
per person.

Best Regards,

Sara

Sara M. Laird
Network Administrator
Mount Saint Mary's University
301.447.5014
Faith * Discovery * Leadership * Community

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