Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

[Chad Kelly]

Hi all.
I also believe the team who designed the web accessibility toolbar for 
IE have also done one for Opera.


On 6/25/2011 1:39 PM, Andrew Boyd wrote:
There's a range of code level checker options available as add ons for 
FF, and some web based options.


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On 25/06/2011, at 8:36 AM, Jim Croft <mailto:jim.cr...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The Visionaustralia accessibility toolbar looks interesting but only 
works on Windows and IE5 and above. This could hardly be described as 
a 'web srandards compliant' application.


Has anything been done that is platform independent or for Mac or Linux?

Jim

[Mobile]

On 25/06/2011 4:32 AM, "Doug Burt" <mailto:flyin...@shaw.ca>> wrote:

> Hey Gang,
>
> I just downloaded the visonaustralia.org 
<http://visonaustralia.org> toolbar offered there, seems to
> work great and caught a batch of errors I thought were gone after 
using
> another validation program. Neat find Chad, thanks for passing it 
along it's

> a great resource...
>
> Cheers,
> Doug Burt
>
> -Original Message-
>
> On Behalf Of Chad Kelly
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:40 PM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org <mailto:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org>
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing
>
> Hi
> Your best bet would be to look at the tools provided by Vision 
Australia

>
> visionaustralia.org <http://visionaustralia.org> under accessible 
solutions.

> They have a free toolbar you can download.
> I am also looking at providing web accessibility testing services as a
> part of the services offered by CPK Web Services. Would anyone be
> interested in that kind of a service?
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

[Andrew Boyd]

There's a range of code level checker options available as add ons for FF, and 
some web based options. 

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http://uxbookclub.org -- connect, read, discuss


On 25/06/2011, at 8:36 AM, Jim Croft  wrote:

> The Visionaustralia accessibility toolbar looks interesting but only works on 
> Windows and IE5 and above. This could hardly be described as a 'web srandards 
> compliant' application.
> 
> Has anything been done that is platform independent or for Mac or Linux?
> 
> Jim
> 
> [Mobile]
> 
> On 25/06/2011 4:32 AM, "Doug Burt"  wrote:
> > Hey Gang,
> > 
> > I just downloaded the visonaustralia.org toolbar offered there, seems to 
> > work great and caught a batch of errors I thought were gone after using 
> > another validation program. Neat find Chad, thanks for passing it along 
> > it's 
> > a great resource...
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Doug Burt
> > 
> > -Original Message-----
> > 
> > On Behalf Of Chad Kelly
> > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:40 PM
> > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> > Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing
> > 
> > Hi
> > Your best bet would be to look at the tools provided by Vision Australia
> > 
> > visionaustralia.org under accessible solutions.
> > They have a free toolbar you can download.
> > I am also looking at providing web accessibility testing services as a
> > part of the services offered by CPK Web Services. Would anyone be
> > interested in that kind of a service?
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

[Jim Croft]

The Visionaustralia accessibility toolbar looks interesting but only works
on Windows and IE5 and above. This could hardly be described as a 'web
srandards compliant' application.

Has anything been done that is platform independent or for Mac or Linux?

Jim

[Mobile]
On 25/06/2011 4:32 AM, "Doug Burt"  wrote:
> Hey Gang,
>
> I just downloaded the visonaustralia.org toolbar offered there, seems to
> work great and caught a batch of errors I thought were gone after using
> another validation program. Neat find Chad, thanks for passing it along
it's
> a great resource...
>
> Cheers,
> Doug Burt
>
> -Original Message-
>
> On Behalf Of Chad Kelly
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:40 PM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing
>
> Hi
> Your best bet would be to look at the tools provided by Vision Australia
>
> visionaustralia.org under accessible solutions.
> They have a free toolbar you can download.
> I am also looking at providing web accessibility testing services as a
> part of the services offered by CPK Web Services. Would anyone be
> interested in that kind of a service?
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

[Andrew Boyd]

Hi,

It's worth looking at what W3C has to say - see 
http://www.w3.org/WAI/eval/Overview.html - but it depends what your goals are. 
Do you want to pick up as many code-level issues as possible or undertake a 
conformance check in accordance with the WCAG 2.0 standard?

Cheers, Andrew

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On 25/06/2011, at 2:15 AM, "Spellacy, Michael"  wrote:

> Hi WSG Friends!
> 
> The company I work for is considering dropping WatchFire for testing
> because of the price. I'm really concerned about not being able to test
> code against specific accessibility guidelines like WCAG 1.0 or 2.0. Do
> any of you know of any cheaper (or free) applications that do just as
> good a job?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any recommendations you may have!
> 
> Regards,
> Spell 
> 
> Michael Spellacy 
> Lead User Interface Developer
> TMP Worldwide Advertising & Communications, LLC
> 125 Broad Street, 10th Floor
> New York, NY 10004
> www.tmp.com
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

[Doug Burt]

Hey Gang,

I just downloaded the visonaustralia.org toolbar offered there, seems to 
work great and caught a batch of errors I thought were gone after using 
another validation program. Neat find Chad, thanks for passing it along it's 
a great resource...


Cheers,
Doug Burt

-Original Message-

On Behalf Of Chad Kelly
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:40 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

Hi
Your best bet would be to look at the tools provided by Vision Australia

visionaustralia.org under accessible solutions.
They have a free toolbar you can download.
I am also looking at providing web accessibility testing services as a
part of the services offered by CPK Web Services. Would anyone be
interested in that kind of a service?

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RE: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

[Spellacy, Michael]

Thanks, Steve! I look forward to hearing from them! Quite right on
manual testing! I do quite a bit of it and couldn't agree more!

Regards,
Spell

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Steve Green
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 1:04 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

We are currently negotiating with one of the major automated
accessibility tool vendors to resell their tool in the UK. We cannot
sell into the US so I have forwarded your message and they should
contact you. In my opinion their tool is better than WatchFire and
should also be cheaper.

Any tool only tests about 25% of the WCAG checkpoints, whether it's WCAG
1.0 or 2.0, so we would recommend manual testing at various points in
the website's lifecycle, such as when developing new templates and
perhaps an annual audit. We can provide that service if required.

I endorse the other comment regarding the use of Vision Australia's
tools if you have the skills to use them.

Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd
 

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Spellacy, Michael
Sent: 24 June 2011 17:16
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

Hi WSG Friends!

The company I work for is considering dropping WatchFire for testing
because of the price. I'm really concerned about not being able to test
code against specific accessibility guidelines like WCAG 1.0 or 2.0. Do
any of you know of any cheaper (or free) applications that do just as
good a job?

Thanks in advance for any recommendations you may have!

Regards,
Spell 

Michael Spellacy
Lead User Interface Developer
TMP Worldwide Advertising & Communications, LLC
125 Broad Street, 10th Floor
New York, NY 10004
www.tmp.com



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RE: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

[Steve Green]

We are currently negotiating with one of the major automated
accessibility tool vendors to resell their tool in the UK. We cannot
sell into the US so I have forwarded your message and they should
contact you. In my opinion their tool is better than WatchFire and
should also be cheaper.

Any tool only tests about 25% of the WCAG checkpoints, whether it's WCAG
1.0 or 2.0, so we would recommend manual testing at various points in
the website's lifecycle, such as when developing new templates and
perhaps an annual audit. We can provide that service if required.

I endorse the other comment regarding the use of Vision Australia's
tools if you have the skills to use them.

Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd
 

-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Spellacy, Michael
Sent: 24 June 2011 17:16
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

Hi WSG Friends!

The company I work for is considering dropping WatchFire for testing
because of the price. I'm really concerned about not being able to test
code against specific accessibility guidelines like WCAG 1.0 or 2.0. Do
any of you know of any cheaper (or free) applications that do just as
good a job?

Thanks in advance for any recommendations you may have!

Regards,
Spell 

Michael Spellacy
Lead User Interface Developer
TMP Worldwide Advertising & Communications, LLC
125 Broad Street, 10th Floor
New York, NY 10004
www.tmp.com



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RE: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

[Spellacy, Michael]

Thanks, Chad. I will look into this. By the way, as a plus, it would be
nice if any future tool we used generated reports as well. Clients just
have to have those reports! Sigh. If what you mentioned does that then
great but if not then that is okay. Getting the testing done is what
really matters.

Regards,
Spell

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Chad Kelly
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:40 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

Hi
Your best bet would be to look at the tools provided by Vision Australia

visionaustralia.org under accessible solutions.
They have a free toolbar you can download.
I am also looking at providing web accessibility testing services as a 
part of the services offered by CPK Web Services. Would anyone be 
interested in that kind of a service?


On 6/25/2011 2:15 AM, Spellacy, Michael wrote:
> Hi WSG Friends!
>
> The company I work for is considering dropping WatchFire for testing
> because of the price. I'm really concerned about not being able to
test
> code against specific accessibility guidelines like WCAG 1.0 or 2.0.
Do
> any of you know of any cheaper (or free) applications that do just as
> good a job?
>
> Thanks in advance for any recommendations you may have!
>
> Regards,
> Spell
>
> Michael Spellacy
> Lead User Interface Developer
> TMP Worldwide Advertising&  Communications, LLC
> 125 Broad Street, 10th Floor
> New York, NY 10004
> www.tmp.com
>
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

[Chad Kelly]

Hi
Your best bet would be to look at the tools provided by Vision Australia 
visionaustralia.org under accessible solutions.

They have a free toolbar you can download.
I am also looking at providing web accessibility testing services as a 
part of the services offered by CPK Web Services. Would anyone be 
interested in that kind of a service?



On 6/25/2011 2:15 AM, Spellacy, Michael wrote:

Hi WSG Friends!

The company I work for is considering dropping WatchFire for testing
because of the price. I'm really concerned about not being able to test
code against specific accessibility guidelines like WCAG 1.0 or 2.0. Do
any of you know of any cheaper (or free) applications that do just as
good a job?

Thanks in advance for any recommendations you may have!

Regards,
Spell

Michael Spellacy
Lead User Interface Developer
TMP Worldwide Advertising&  Communications, LLC
125 Broad Street, 10th Floor
New York, NY 10004
www.tmp.com



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[WSG] Accessibility Testing

[Spellacy, Michael]

Hi WSG Friends!

The company I work for is considering dropping WatchFire for testing
because of the price. I'm really concerned about not being able to test
code against specific accessibility guidelines like WCAG 1.0 or 2.0. Do
any of you know of any cheaper (or free) applications that do just as
good a job?

Thanks in advance for any recommendations you may have!

Regards,
Spell 

Michael Spellacy 
Lead User Interface Developer
TMP Worldwide Advertising & Communications, LLC
125 Broad Street, 10th Floor
New York, NY 10004
www.tmp.com



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Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

[Richard R. Hill]

I general, I advise designers to apply the standards (W3C, 508 … Whatever they 
have chosen) as diligently as possible keeping in mind the the intent of the 
standards (rather than just meeting the guidelines as worded). It is up to 
browser technology to also adhere to the standards. Theoretically, that should 
provide visitors an appropriate experience regardless of their disability.  
There is no way anyone can test effectively for all possible disabilities, even 
with "expert" human testers.

First, the testers must be trained to remove personal bias (a preference for 
navigation placement for instance) from actual accessibility issues.

Second, you can't possibly afford to test against all possible disability 
combination ( not JST blindness but perhaps low vision with arthritis, color 
blindness with hearing impairment or impairment or ).

 The intent of the standards is to provide the largest number of developers 
guidelines they can adopt to make their sites as universally usable by the 
widest number of user possible. And to provide browser (and other 
software/hardware) manufacturers guidelines on how to develop client technology 
that will provide an appropriate user experience.

Will this work perfectly?  No. Where shortfalls are identified, the standards 
will be enhanced (hopefully). In fact there is no single standard. W3C has 
multiple flavors. Which standard is used also impacts the degree of 
accessibility. So, if an organization chose WCAG 2 A sat the standard, 
obviously, their sites will not be as usable for visitors need a greater amount 
of accommodation (say WCAG 2 AA or AAA).

That said, am I against user testing?  Not at all.  If it is available to you, 
use it.  It can only help.  Should lack of such a resource prevent you from 
crafting accessible content?  Not at all.

By the by, even when testing content, use as many tools as you can.  They all 
report different results, which can often be enlightening.

Finally, the http://amnestyshop.org.uk/christmas-2010.html page has 
accessibility issues (forms mislabeled, fiedlsets with no legend, reliance on 
javascript to provide menu access, links with same label that have different 
target), no navigation skipping mechanism).  Depending on the tool I use, I get 
109 issues- Parsing (use of &): 3, HTML: 57, WCAG v2 A: 49.  SO, the page has 
issues that can be detected.  As far as how easy it is to navigate, most of the 
main elements have headers and this are used in a mostly correct fashion, so a 
browser that can dew]al correctly with headers allows a visitor to easily(?) 
move through the content (better with a skip nav).
–––
Rick Hill

From: Steve Green 
mailto:steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk>>
Reply-To: "wsg@webstandardsgroup.org<mailto:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org>" 
mailto:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org>>
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 07:27:41 -0700
To: "wsg@webstandardsgroup.org<mailto:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org>" 
mailto:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org>>
Subject: RE: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org<mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org> 
[mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Lesley Lutomski
Sent: 22 October 2010 14:49
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org<mailto:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org>
Subject: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

On 20/10/10 21:13, Nick Stone wrote:

> Does anyone have suggestions on how to obtain website usability feedback  > 
> from various members of the disabled community?


Kevin Ireson replied with some helpful comments, but I think Nick's main point 
was that there is no substitute for testing by real people with real 
disabilities and that can be very hard to achieve.  I can try to make my sites 
accessible to someone using a screen reader, for example, but as I don't use 
one myself I'm only guessing at how a real user would approach the site.  
Accessibility testing software is helpful, but doesn't test for all types of 
disability.

For example, there are a wide range of conditions that result in impaired 
movement, including things as common as arthritis.  These can make using mouse 
and keyboard both quite difficult.  With this in mind, might I suggest you 
visit http://amnestyshop.org.uk/christmas-2010.html
and see if you find any potential problems.  Would your normal accessibility 
testing have thrown up these issues, or not?  (I apologise for picking on 
Amnesty; it has the most extreme version I know of a common problem.)

I do know of one organisation that arranges site testing by disabled people, 
but their charges are beyond the budget of any of my clients.
Any ideas, anyone?

Thank you.

Lesley

---

Since you ask, we arrange user testing with disabled participants and assistive 
technologies. It's not cheap but we are more cost-effective than the larger 
organisations such as RNIB, Shaw Trust and 

RE: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

[Steve Green]

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
Behalf Of Lesley Lutomski
Sent: 22 October 2010 14:49
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

On 20/10/10 21:13, Nick Stone wrote:

 > Does anyone have suggestions on how to obtain website usability feedback  > 
 > from various members of the disabled community?


Kevin Ireson replied with some helpful comments, but I think Nick's main point 
was that there is no substitute for testing by real people with real 
disabilities and that can be very hard to achieve.  I can try to make my sites 
accessible to someone using a screen reader, for example, but as I don't use 
one myself I'm only guessing at how a real user would approach the site.  
Accessibility testing software is helpful, but doesn't test for all types of 
disability.

For example, there are a wide range of conditions that result in impaired 
movement, including things as common as arthritis.  These can make using mouse 
and keyboard both quite difficult.  With this in mind, might I suggest you 
visit http://amnestyshop.org.uk/christmas-2010.html
and see if you find any potential problems.  Would your normal accessibility 
testing have thrown up these issues, or not?  (I apologise for picking on 
Amnesty; it has the most extreme version I know of a common problem.)

I do know of one organisation that arranges site testing by disabled people, 
but their charges are beyond the budget of any of my clients. 
Any ideas, anyone?

Thank you.

Lesley

---

Since you ask, we arrange user testing with disabled participants and assistive 
technologies. It's not cheap but we are more cost-effective than the larger 
organisations such as RNIB, Shaw Trust and AbilityNet.

An intermediate option is an expert review by a consultant with experience of 
user testing, and we do this when time and/or budget are limited. Obviously it 
doesn't pick up all the issues that user testing does, but it's a fraction of 
the cost and it picks up enough issues to be worthwhile.

We also provide screen reader training for developers and testers who want an 
insight into how people use screen readers. This course teaches enough to do 
some basic  testing and provides a lot of guidelines for accessible design 
(beyond compliance with WCAG).

If even this is not affordable, there's no reason why you can't arrange your 
own user testing. At first it takes a bit of work to find participants, and you 
will have to pay them an incentive (typically £20 to £30 per hour plus travel). 
In most cases you can do the testing in people's homes, so you don't need any 
equipment or software. You will need to read up on how to run user tests to get 
the best results, but it's not rocket science and there is lots of guidance on 
the web. There are quite a few disability support groups who will help you find 
participants, but be aware that those who offer a testing service (such as the 
three I mentioned above) tend not to be cooperative.

Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd


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[WSG] Accessibility Testing

[Lesley Lutomski]

On 20/10/10 21:13, Nick Stone wrote:

> Does anyone have suggestions on how to obtain website usability feedback
> from various members of the disabled community?


Kevin Ireson replied with some helpful comments, but I think Nick's main 
point was that there is no substitute for testing by real people with 
real disabilities and that can be very hard to achieve.  I can try to 
make my sites accessible to someone using a screen reader, for example, 
but as I don't use one myself I'm only guessing at how a real user would 
approach the site.  Accessibility testing software is helpful, but 
doesn't test for all types of disability.


For example, there are a wide range of conditions that result in 
impaired movement, including things as common as arthritis.  These can 
make using mouse and keyboard both quite difficult.  With this in mind, 
might I suggest you visit http://amnestyshop.org.uk/christmas-2010.html 
and see if you find any potential problems.  Would your normal 
accessibility testing have thrown up these issues, or not?  (I apologise 
for picking on Amnesty; it has the most extreme version I know of a 
common problem.)


I do know of one organisation that arranges site testing by disabled 
people, but their charges are beyond the budget of any of my clients. 
Any ideas, anyone?


Thank you.

Lesley


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RE: [WSG] Accessibility testing

[Foskett, Mike]

Jon,

I submitted the tool on the accessify forum for comment.
http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=13098

Some interesting comments there.


Mike.



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http://faetest.dres.uiuc.edu

I'm totally shocked, that tool is actually quite good.
If I get time later I'll run it through a few problematic sites and
compare against manual reviewed reports.


Mike Foskett
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You can try the Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator
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http://faetest.dres.uiuc.edu

This is the Candidate release 1, that hopefully be our production
version available later this week.

Please let me know what you think of it.

Jon


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>
> Hi all,
> I'm wrapping up a Government agency website.
> They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty
pointless;
> others very valid - but no problem.
> Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner.
> http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php
> And "our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A" could apparently be
improved.
> They have provided scores for star rating, compliance, navigability
and
> listenability.
> Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very
> accessible eh? :)
> What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable
> results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?
> TIA.
> Henrik
>
>
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

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David Dorward wrote:

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:

2: according to specs (and browsers) a character encoding stated in
 an xml declaration is good, and further stating unnecessary. No 
warning should be given in such a case.


An  declaration (or anything else before the Doctype) will 
trigger Quirks mode in IE6 [...]


IE6 works best in quirks mode...

...IMO, so that's a very welcome side-effect.


so should be avoided.


FWIW: anything other than an xml declaration before doctype will make
_all_ IE/win versions stay in quirks mode.

The prolog is optional if the defaults (XML 1.0 and UTF-8 or UTF-16) 
are used.


Which means one can deliberately choose to put the xml declaration in,
and its 'encoding' is valid and honored. That's my point.


It is forbidden if HTML 4.01 is used.


Indeed.

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Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

[Shawn Henry]

What similar software / online systems do people use [for web accessibility 
testing]...


For an extensive list of Web accessibility evaluation software and online systems 
("tools"), see:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/Overview.html
It's a searchable database of over 100 tools.

And I'll second Ben's recommendation to go beyond tools in evaluating accessibility. See, for 
example, "Involving Users in Web Accessibility Evaluation" 


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Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

[David Dorward]

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
> 2: according to specs (and browsers) a character encoding stated in an
> xml declaration is good, and further stating unnecessary.
> No warning should be given in such a case.

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Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Jon Gunderson wrote:


http://faetest.dres.uiuc.edu

Please let me know what you think of it.


First impression: good.
Informative page reports.

A few points...

1: i and b can in many cases not be replaced by h1..h6 or em and strong.
Both i and b are valid - span-like (no implied semantics) - elements in
HTML4/XHTML1, and are (so far) kept that way in (X)HTML5.
The existence of b and i should not be called a failure.

2: according to specs (and browsers) a character encoding stated in an
xml declaration is good, and further stating unnecessary.
No warning should be given in such a case.

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[Foskett, Mike]

http://faetest.dres.uiuc.edu

I'm totally shocked, that tool is actually quite good.
If I get time later I'll run it through a few problematic sites and
compare against manual reviewed reports.


Mike Foskett
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You can try the Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator
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http://faetest.dres.uiuc.edu

This is the Candidate release 1, that hopefully be our production
version available later this week.

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Jon


On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Henrik Madsen
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>
> Hi all,
> I'm wrapping up a Government agency website.
> They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty
pointless;
> others very valid - but no problem.
> Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner.
> http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php
> And "our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A" could apparently be
improved.
> They have provided scores for star rating, compliance, navigability
and
> listenability.
> Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very
> accessible eh? :)
> What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable
> results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?
> TIA.
> Henrik
>
>
> Henrik Madsen
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That is a very cool tool. Nice job.

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> Hi all,
> I'm wrapping up a Government agency website.
> They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty pointless;
> others very valid - but no problem.
> Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner.
> http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php
> And "our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A" could apparently be improved.
> They have provided scores for star rating, compliance, navigability and
> listenability.
> Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very
> accessible eh? :)
> What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable
> results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?
> TIA.
> Henrik
>
>
> Henrik Madsen
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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

You can try the Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator
service.  It is a free service, no cost to create an account.

http://faetest.dres.uiuc.edu

This is the Candidate release 1, that hopefully be our production
version available later this week.

Please let me know what you think of it.

Jon


On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Henrik Madsen
 wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I'm wrapping up a Government agency website.
> They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty pointless;
> others very valid - but no problem.
> Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner.
> http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php
> And "our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A" could apparently be improved.
> They have provided scores for star rating, compliance, navigability and
> listenability.
> Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very
> accessible eh? :)
> What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable
> results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?
> TIA.
> Henrik
>
>
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RE: RE: [WSG] Accessibility testing [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Chris Vickery]

That is a very cool tool. Nice job.

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
Behalf Of Jon Gunderson
Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 4:25 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

You can try the Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator
service.  It is a free service, no cost to create an account.

http://faetest.dres.uiuc.edu

This is the Candidate release 1, that hopefully be our production
version available later this week.

Please let me know what you think of it.

Jon


On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Henrik Madsen
 wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I'm wrapping up a Government agency website.
> They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty pointless;
> others very valid - but no problem.
> Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner.
> http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php
> And "our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A" could apparently be improved.
> They have provided scores for star rating, compliance, navigability and
> listenability.
> Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very
> accessible eh? :)
> What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable
> results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?
> TIA.
> Henrik
>
>
> Henrik Madsen
> Generator
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RE: RE: [WSG] Accessibility testing [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Chris Vickery]

That is a very cool tool. Nice job.

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
Behalf Of Jon Gunderson
Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 4:25 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

You can try the Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator
service.  It is a free service, no cost to create an account.

http://faetest.dres.uiuc.edu

This is the Candidate release 1, that hopefully be our production
version available later this week.

Please let me know what you think of it.

Jon


On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Henrik Madsen
 wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I'm wrapping up a Government agency website.
> They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty pointless;
> others very valid - but no problem.
> Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner.
> http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php
> And "our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A" could apparently be improved.
> They have provided scores for star rating, compliance, navigability and
> listenability.
> Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very
> accessible eh? :)
> What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable
> results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?
> TIA.
> Henrik
>
>
> Henrik Madsen
> Generator
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

[Dani Iswara]

On Firefox (fx) with web developer extension, add ATRC web
accessibility checker (testing; sometimes temporary down) against WCAG
2.0, WCAG 1.0, BITV, Stanca Act, Section 508.

Open the tools menu of its extension:
Edit tools
Add
choose (tool type) URL
add: http://checker.atrc.utoronto.ca/servlet/Checkacc?submit1=Check+It&file=
give some description
OK

I guess colour contras analyser extension (luminosity contrast ratio
[WCAG 2.0] and AERT colour contrast algorithm) is useful
And try FireVox extension for the speech reader on fx.

-- 
Regards,

Dani Iswara
http://daniiswara.net/
daniisw...@gmail.com


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Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

[Jon Gunderson]

You can try the Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator
service.  It is a free service, no cost to create an account.

http://faetest.dres.uiuc.edu

This is the Candidate release 1, that hopefully be our production
version available later this week.

Please let me know what you think of it.

Jon


On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Henrik Madsen
 wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I'm wrapping up a Government agency website.
> They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty pointless;
> others very valid - but no problem.
> Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner.
> http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php
> And "our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A" could apparently be improved.
> They have provided scores for star rating, compliance, navigability and
> listenability.
> Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very
> accessible eh? :)
> What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable
> results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?
> TIA.
> Henrik
>
>
> Henrik Madsen
> Generator
> hen...@igenerator.com.au
> www.igenerator.com.au
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

[Jennie K]

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 6:34 AM, Stuart Foulstone
wrote:

> Also take account of results in published surveys of actual users.
>
> For example, see screen-reader user survey:
>
> http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey/
>
>
>
> On Sat, February 14, 2009 11:35 pm, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
> > On 11/2/09 05:59, Henrik Madsen wrote:
> >> What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable
> >> results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?
> >
> > Define "reliable results". :)
> >
> > Such systems are intrinsically limited in what they can test.
> >
> > If your contract requires you to pass checks with this piece of
> > software, fine, but beyond that I recommend using wetware as well as
> > software: imagining about the user experience for different user groups
> > [1-2], thinking through the application of accessibility guidelines to
> > your site [3-5], code reviewing your code line-by-line with fellow
> > developers, and if at all possible testing the final product with people
> > with disabilities [6-7].
> >
> > [1] http://www.uiaccess.com/accessucd/
> > [2]
> >
> http://delicious.com/benjaminhawkeslewis/howPeopleWithDisabilitiesUseTheWeb?sort=alpha&order=asc
> > [3] http://www.section508.gov/
> > [4] http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/
> > [5] http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/wcag.php
> > [6]
> > http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/26-accessibility-testing/#usertesting
> > [7]
> >
> http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/public_seeitrightaudit.hcsp
> >
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> >
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

[Jennie K]

You can also try Vision Australia's Toolbar
http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/info.aspx?page=1985

They have quite a few tools (that work with IE - I also have the firefox one
as well).

I never rely on one completely on a single tool and check using multiple as
they all give slightly different results.

I have recently completed a course because on top of the tools there are
manual things to check.  Video, audio and things like flash games etc are
the hardest to get compliance on and I I'm not sure how much the toolbars
can help with these.

Someone recently published the WebAIM WCAG 2.0 Checklist here so I'll repost
it as it might help for manual checking

http://www.webaim.org/standards/wcag/checklist/


On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Henrik Madsen wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm wrapping up a Government agency website.
>
> They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty pointless;
> others very valid - but no problem.
>
> Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner.
>
> http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php
>
> And "our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A" could apparently be improved.
> They have provided scores for star rating, compliance, navigability and
> listenability.
>
> Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very
> accessible eh? :)
>
> What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable
> results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?
>
> TIA.
>
> Henrik
>
>
> Henrik Madsen
> *Generator*
> hen...@igenerator.com.au
> www.igenerator.com.au
>
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

[Stuart Foulstone]

Also take account of results in published surveys of actual users.

For example, see screen-reader user survey:

http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey/



On Sat, February 14, 2009 11:35 pm, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
> On 11/2/09 05:59, Henrik Madsen wrote:
>> What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable
>> results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?
>
> Define "reliable results". :)
>
> Such systems are intrinsically limited in what they can test.
>
> If your contract requires you to pass checks with this piece of
> software, fine, but beyond that I recommend using wetware as well as
> software: imagining about the user experience for different user groups
> [1-2], thinking through the application of accessibility guidelines to
> your site [3-5], code reviewing your code line-by-line with fellow
> developers, and if at all possible testing the final product with people
> with disabilities [6-7].
>
> [1] http://www.uiaccess.com/accessucd/
> [2]
> http://delicious.com/benjaminhawkeslewis/howPeopleWithDisabilitiesUseTheWeb?sort=alpha&order=asc
> [3] http://www.section508.gov/
> [4] http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/
> [5] http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/wcag.php
> [6]
> http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/26-accessibility-testing/#usertesting
> [7]
> http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/public_seeitrightaudit.hcsp
>
> --
> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
>
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

[Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis]

On 11/2/09 05:59, Henrik Madsen wrote:

What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable
results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?


Define "reliable results". :)

Such systems are intrinsically limited in what they can test.

If your contract requires you to pass checks with this piece of 
software, fine, but beyond that I recommend using wetware as well as 
software: imagining about the user experience for different user groups 
[1-2], thinking through the application of accessibility guidelines to 
your site [3-5], code reviewing your code line-by-line with fellow 
developers, and if at all possible testing the final product with people 
with disabilities [6-7].


[1] http://www.uiaccess.com/accessucd/
[2] 
http://delicious.com/benjaminhawkeslewis/howPeopleWithDisabilitiesUseTheWeb?sort=alpha&order=asc

[3] http://www.section508.gov/
[4] http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/
[5] http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/wcag.php
[6] http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/26-accessibility-testing/#usertesting
[7] 
http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/public_seeitrightaudit.hcsp


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Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

[Todd Budnikas]

The Firefox Web Developer Toolbar (by Chris Pederick:
http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/) has an option under "Tools"
to validate Section 508. In the end, it ultimately just point to this
site:
http://www.cynthiasays.com/fulloptions.asp

There is an optional select menu to change from Section 508 to WCGA, etc.

Also, the Firefox Accessibility Extension goes a bit further:
http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu/tools.php

and a few additional web based solutions mentioned here
http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu/tools.php#other

> http://www.vmware.com/download/fusion/
>
> http://www.soft32.com/Download/Free/Apple_Boot_Camp/4-200398-1.html
>
> Problem solved? Otherwise,
>
> Firefox has plugins that give nice reports, (HTML Validator plugin may
> have
> had the Accessibility options, i can't remember, it's been a while since i
> used it)
>
> Apart from that, I'm not sure I can help you
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Henrik Madsen
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm wrapping up a Government agency website.
>>
>> They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty
>> pointless;
>> others very valid - but no problem.
>>
>> Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner.
>>
>> http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php
>>
>> And "our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A" could apparently be improved.
>> They have provided scores for star rating, compliance, navigability and
>> listenability.
>>
>> Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very
>> accessible eh? :)
>>
>> What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable
>> results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Henrik
>>
>>
>> Henrik Madsen
>> *Generator*
>> hen...@igenerator.com.au
>> www.igenerator.com.au
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

[Maurivan Luiz]

Hi Henrik Madsen,

I also work with Mac, if needed use sofwares 'windows only'I usually  
use the VirtualBox, this software is Opensource.


This software has an incredible performance to emulate other operating  
systems inside the windows, and more! is opensource (:


See this link:
http://www.virtualbox.org


[]'s
Maurivan Luiz
maurivan.com
midiaweb.com.br




Em 11/02/2009, às 04:25, Luke Hoggett escreveu:


Parallels

Henrik Madsen wrote:



Hi all,

I'm wrapping up a Government agency website.

They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty  
pointless; others very valid - but no problem.


Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner.

http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php

And "our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A" could apparently be  
improved. They have provided scores for star rating, compliance,  
navigability and listenability.


Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not  
very accessible eh? :)


What similar software / online systems do people use and get  
reliable results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?


TIA.

Henrik


Henrik Madsen
Generator
hen...@igenerator.com.au
www.igenerator.com.au


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RE: [WSG] Accessibility testing

[Michael MD]

> Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very 
> accessible eh? :)
> 


It appears to be based on eclipse ... (probably java based like other
eclipse-based stuff) 

Might it be possible to build it from source on Mac or Linux?

Has anyone here tried this?

I never really quite got my head around the Eclipse IDE for programming, and
my knowledge of java is not up to scratch to try building it myself.


> I use VirtualBox (www.virtualBox.org) to run virtual Windows machines for
this sort of thing, also formultiple 
> browser versions. Bitter experience has shown me you can't rely on
simulations completely.

I tried installing Windows XP into qemu on a linux host but its annoyingly
slow.

I don't think I'd be able to tolerate the lng wait to start up a large
java application in there! - java apps take way too long to start on native
Windows!







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Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

[Peter Dolkens]

http://www.vmware.com/download/fusion/

http://www.soft32.com/Download/Free/Apple_Boot_Camp/4-200398-1.html

Problem solved? Otherwise,

Firefox has plugins that give nice reports, (HTML Validator plugin may have
had the Accessibility options, i can't remember, it's been a while since i
used it)

Apart from that, I'm not sure I can help you

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Henrik Madsen wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm wrapping up a Government agency website.
>
> They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty pointless;
> others very valid - but no problem.
>
> Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner.
>
> http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php
>
> And "our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A" could apparently be improved.
> They have provided scores for star rating, compliance, navigability and
> listenability.
>
> Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very
> accessible eh? :)
>
> What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable
> results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?
>
> TIA.
>
> Henrik
>
>
> Henrik Madsen
> *Generator*
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

[Mark Harris]

Henrik Madsen wrote:

Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very 
accessible eh? :)


What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable 
results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?




I use VirtualBox (www.virtualBox.org) to run virtual Windows machines 
for this sort of thing, also for multiple browser versions. Bitter 
experience has shown me you can't rely on simulations completely.


~mark


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Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

[Luke Hoggett]

Parallels

Henrik Madsen wrote:


Hi all,

I'm wrapping up a Government agency website.

They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty 
pointless; others very valid - but no problem.


Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner.

http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php

And "our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A" could apparently be 
improved. They have provided scores for star rating, compliance, 
navigability and listenability.


Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very 
accessible eh? :)


What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable 
results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?


TIA.

Henrik


Henrik Madsen
*Generator*
hen...@igenerator.com.au 
www.igenerator.com.au 


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[WSG] Accessibility testing

[Henrik Madsen]

Hi all,

I'm wrapping up a Government agency website.

They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty  
pointless; others very valid - but no problem.


Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner.

http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php

And "our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A" could apparently be  
improved. They have provided scores for star rating, compliance,  
navigability and listenability.


Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very  
accessible eh? :)


What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable  
results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?


TIA.

Henrik


Henrik Madsen
Generator
hen...@igenerator.com.au
www.igenerator.com.au



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