[xubuntu-users] Community Meeting, Fri, 23rd November

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Hello everyone!

The next meeting is scheduled for Friday 23rd November at 22:00:00 UTC 
2018 [1], we welcome you all to join.


Current agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings

We should be discussing plans for the upcoming 19.04 cycle - some 
discussion of which can be found on the 19.04 etherpad [2] (You'll need 
to be a member of the etherpad group on Launchpad to read it [3]


The meeting is, as always, on chat.freenode.net 
<http://chat.freenode.net> at #xubuntu-devel[4]


Cheers all

Kev (flocculant)

Xubuntu Council Member


[1] 
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Xubuntu+Community+Meeting=20181123T22=%3A=1=30

[2] https://pad.ubuntu.com/x-19-04-proposals
[3] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad
[4] http://freenode.net/kb/answer/chat
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Re: [xubuntu-users] Cosmic Cuttlefish (18.10) Beta Testing

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On 25/09/18 06:25, flocculant wrote:
At some point during today we should see images arrive at the tracker 
[1] for the Cosmic Beta.


Please help to test this milestone - everyone should be able to do 
something to test this for us all.


Links to the Beta section on the iso tracker will be posted to this 
thread as soon as someone sees them.


thanks all

Kev



Unsurprsingly  - we're getting respins shortly so will need to at least 
smoketest the images again.


Though if people haven't tested yet - and intended to - please do what 
you already intended to do


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Re: [xubuntu-users] Cosmic Cuttlefish (18.10) Beta Testing

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On 25/09/18 06:25, flocculant wrote:
At some point during today we should see images arrive at the tracker 
[1] for the Cosmic Beta.


Please help to test this milestone - everyone should be able to do 
something to test this for us all.


Links to the Beta section on the iso tracker will be posted to this 
thread as soon as someone sees them.


thanks all

Kev




64 bit images : 
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/396/builds/181438/testcases


32 bit images : 
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/396/builds/181439/testcases


Cheers

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[xubuntu-users] Cosmic Cuttlefish (18.10) Beta Testing

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At some point during today we should see images arrive at the tracker 
[1] for the Cosmic Beta.


Please help to test this milestone - everyone should be able to do 
something to test this for us all.


Links to the Beta section on the iso tracker will be posted to this 
thread as soon as someone sees them.


thanks all

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Upgrade to 18.04.1

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On 30/07/18 17:34, Bryan Christ wrote:

Quick question..

I'm running Xubuntu 16.04.5 on a couple of systems.  Both of them are 
are up to date as of this morning.  I know that 18.04.1 was released 
last week, but I'm not offered to update on either of these systems.  
I've tried:


sudo update-manager -c
sudo do-release-upgrade

Both are acting like nothing is available.  Should I be expecting this 
to work right now or is there some delay for Xubuntu?


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[xubuntu-users] 18.04.1 Point Release Testing

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Builds are now available for us to test.

These builds include -proposed packages - intended.

You can find them to test at 
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/392/builds


Please test as much as you can find the time for during the next 2 days.

They will be rebuilt and aren't currently considered to be Final. That 
said if we get the testing done - I will be able to tell what changes on 
the iso between now and Thursday and can then make an informed decision 
on what needs to be run over at the last minute.


I would much rather have that task - than testing everything in the 
short window I will have between getting home and having to mark the 
iso's as ready


Thanks in advance

Kev

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[xubuntu-users] 17.10 EOL

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On Thursday 19th July 2018, Xubuntu 17.10 goes End of Life (EOL). For 
more information please see the Ubuntu 17.10 EOL Notice [1]


We strongly recommend upgrading to the current release, Xubuntu 18.04, 
as soon as practical. Alternatively you can download the current Xubuntu 
release and install fresh.


Cheers

Kev

[1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-July/000233.html


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Re: [xubuntu-users] Firefox new tabs crash upon opening

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On 11/07/18 16:09, raggmopp_2...@yahoo.com wrote:

Mods:
Please forgive I just sent this before subscribing.
Yours
  
  Just performed a xubuntu update through

  software updater.
  I am not an experiences user, having
  problems finding the name of the update, or even my specific
  OS version (it is some type of 14, because my laptop is old
  and that is best matched for the laptop according to xubuntu
  experts).
  My firefox tabs crash upon opening, my
  Chromium tabs do not.
The tabs I had open before the update still work, just the new ones opened 
crash.
  Any help would be very welcome.
  Thank you
  


Are you talking about this happening on tabs?

Gah! your tab just crashed

If so try this:

about:config

Ignore the warning about dragons or somesuch if you see it.

Set these both to false

browser.tabs.remote.autostart
browser.tabs.remote.autostart.2

See if that helps, if it doesn't change them back.


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[xubuntu-users] Next Community Meeting

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The next meeting is scheduled for Monday 4th June a2 22:00:00 UTC [1], 
we welcome you all to join.


Current agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings

The meeting is, as always, on chat.freenode.net at #xubuntu-devel [2]

Cheers

Kev

[1] 
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Xubuntu+Community+Meeting=20180604T22=%3A=1


[2] 
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=xubuntu-devel=tracker.=1=MTE9MjE131




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[xubuntu-users] Fwd: Re: Application testing for the new development cycle

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 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: Application testing for the new development cycle
Date:   Sat, 19 May 2018 08:40:19 +0200
From:   Willem Hobers <whob...@gmail.com>
Reply-To:   Xubuntu Development Discussion <xubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com>
To: xubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com



Tested, 1629, testcase: Xubuntu Power. All went as expected.


Op 17-05-18 om 22:45 schreef flocculant:


During this new 6 month cycle we are hoping to ramp up testing of 
applications - separate from testing ISO's.


So if you want to get involved with something that you can pick up, 
put down and which isn't too onerous this could be for you.


Before we can set up testing of applications ( it's tracked on a 
Ubuntu QA tracker and they call it package testing) we need to make 
sure the tests we do have are up to date.


You will need a few things:

 1. an up to date iso to boot - you can run the test from a USB, a
virtual machine
 2. something to write on
 3. a web browser
 4. an e-mail client
 5. patience - we've not checked them for at a year

You can grab the iso from 
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current - this url is 
always the latest.


Open your browser at 
http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/377/builds/146768/testcases 



You'll see a list of applications and packages there.

 1. Pick something you fancy checking - Reply All to this mail telling
other people what you intend to test (we'd not want everyone to be
checking the same testcase)
 2. Open your chosen testcase, then click the Detailed information on
the testcase button and make a note of the Testcase ID
 3. Follow the testcase _exactly_ as it tells you
 4. Make notes where something isn't working as the testcase expects -
this is a bug, a testcase bug. If necessary continue to the next
step as best you can ignoring the instruction if the application
no longer works as written
 5. When you have completed checking your testcase and assuming that
you found no errors with it - let us know on the mailing list.

That's a lot of words which basically mean - read the testcase, follow 
it and note down where something is different.


If you did find an issue with the testcase - report it to Launchpad. 
This could be as simple as the testcase calls for a button called Next 
but it's now called Continue, it could even be that the testcase 
covers something the application does but isn't tested.


 1. Open your browser at
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug
 2. In the Summary box - please report it with something like this
syntax Testcase 1559 Catfish Fails To Open From Whiskermenu, 1559
being the ID you previously noted
 3. Click Next - then regardless of any previous bugs it prompts you
with - Click No, I need to report a new bug
 4. Using the notes you made while checking the testcase fill in your
further information
 5. You can now if you wish tell us the bug number - but it's not
necessary as I am subscribed to Testcase Bugs

If you have needed to report a bug - the Testcase ID is important - 
there are 1700 different ID numbers - and the majority refer to live 
testcases.


If the list of applications on the package tracker doesn't include 
something you use that you think should be tested - and is something 
that we have _by default_ - you can report this to the same url above 
- just say Testcase need for 'you fave application we don't test'


If I need further information I will comment on your bug report so 
please keep an eye out for that.


If you found that easy to do - how about doing another one ;)

Cheers

Kev

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[xubuntu-users] Fwd: Re: Application testing for the new development cycle

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Subject:Re: Application testing for the new development cycle
Date:   Fri, 18 May 2018 17:12:47 +0200
From:   Willem Hobers <whob...@gmail.com>
Reply-To:   Xubuntu Development Discussion <xubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com>
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I did the test-case for Gigolo (ID 1587). I have reported some test-case 
issues, and also some issues with gigolo itself. Please tell me if 
there's any more information needed or if I have not followed the 
instructions below correctly.


Willem


Op 17-05-18 om 22:45 schreef flocculant:


During this new 6 month cycle we are hoping to ramp up testing of 
applications - separate from testing ISO's.


So if you want to get involved with something that you can pick up, 
put down and which isn't too onerous this could be for you.


Before we can set up testing of applications ( it's tracked on a 
Ubuntu QA tracker and they call it package testing) we need to make 
sure the tests we do have are up to date.


You will need a few things:

 1. an up to date iso to boot - you can run the test from a USB, a
virtual machine
 2. something to write on
 3. a web browser
 4. an e-mail client
 5. patience - we've not checked them for at a year

You can grab the iso from 
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current - this url is 
always the latest.


Open your browser at 
http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/377/builds/146768/testcases 



You'll see a list of applications and packages there.

 1. Pick something you fancy checking - Reply All to this mail telling
other people what you intend to test (we'd not want everyone to be
checking the same testcase)
 2. Open your chosen testcase, then click the Detailed information on
the testcase button and make a note of the Testcase ID
 3. Follow the testcase _exactly_ as it tells you
 4. Make notes where something isn't working as the testcase expects -
this is a bug, a testcase bug. If necessary continue to the next
step as best you can ignoring the instruction if the application
no longer works as written
 5. When you have completed checking your testcase and assuming that
you found no errors with it - let us know on the mailing list.

That's a lot of words which basically mean - read the testcase, follow 
it and note down where something is different.


If you did find an issue with the testcase - report it to Launchpad. 
This could be as simple as the testcase calls for a button called Next 
but it's now called Continue, it could even be that the testcase 
covers something the application does but isn't tested.


 1. Open your browser at
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug
 2. In the Summary box - please report it with something like this
syntax Testcase 1559 Catfish Fails To Open From Whiskermenu, 1559
being the ID you previously noted
 3. Click Next - then regardless of any previous bugs it prompts you
with - Click No, I need to report a new bug
 4. Using the notes you made while checking the testcase fill in your
further information
 5. You can now if you wish tell us the bug number - but it's not
necessary as I am subscribed to Testcase Bugs

If you have needed to report a bug - the Testcase ID is important - 
there are 1700 different ID numbers - and the majority refer to live 
testcases.


If the list of applications on the package tracker doesn't include 
something you use that you think should be tested - and is something 
that we have _by default_ - you can report this to the same url above 
- just say Testcase need for 'you fave application we don't test'


If I need further information I will comment on your bug report so 
please keep an eye out for that.


If you found that easy to do - how about doing another one ;)

Cheers

Kev

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[xubuntu-users] Application testing for the new development cycle

[flocculant]

During this new 6 month cycle we are hoping to ramp up testing of 
applications - separate from testing ISO's.


So if you want to get involved with something that you can pick up, put 
down and which isn't too onerous this could be for you.


Before we can set up testing of applications ( it's tracked on a Ubuntu 
QA tracker and they call it package testing) we need to make sure the 
tests we do have are up to date.


You will need a few things:

1. an up to date iso to boot - you can run the test from a USB, a
   virtual machine
2. something to write on
3. a web browser
4. an e-mail client
5. patience - we've not checked them for at a year

You can grab the iso from 
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current - this url is 
always the latest.


Open your browser at 
http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/377/builds/146768/testcases 



You'll see a list of applications and packages there.

1. Pick something you fancy checking - Reply All to this mail telling
   other people what you intend to test (we'd not want everyone to be
   checking the same testcase)
2. Open your chosen testcase, then click the Detailed information on
   the testcase button and make a note of the Testcase ID
3. Follow the testcase _exactly_ as it tells you
4. Make notes where something isn't working as the testcase expects -
   this is a bug, a testcase bug. If necessary continue to the next
   step as best you can ignoring the instruction if the application no
   longer works as written
5. When you have completed checking your testcase and assuming that you
   found no errors with it - let us know on the mailing list.

That's a lot of words which basically mean - read the testcase, follow 
it and note down where something is different.


If you did find an issue with the testcase - report it to Launchpad. 
This could be as simple as the testcase calls for a button called Next 
but it's now called Continue, it could even be that the testcase covers 
something the application does but isn't tested.


1. Open your browser at
   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug
2. In the Summary box - please report it with something like this
   syntax Testcase 1559 Catfish Fails To Open From Whiskermenu, 1559
   being the ID you previously noted
3. Click Next - then regardless of any previous bugs it prompts you
   with - Click No, I need to report a new bug
4. Using the notes you made while checking the testcase fill in your
   further information
5. You can now if you wish tell us the bug number - but it's not
   necessary as I am subscribed to Testcase Bugs

If you have needed to report a bug - the Testcase ID is important - 
there are 1700 different ID numbers - and the majority refer to live 
testcases.


If the list of applications on the package tracker doesn't include 
something you use that you think should be tested - and is something 
that we have _by default_ - you can report this to the same url above - 
just say Testcase need for 'you fave application we don't test'


If I need further information I will comment on your bug report so 
please keep an eye out for that.


If you found that easy to do - how about doing another one ;)

Cheers

Kev

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Bionic Beaver 18.04 Release Candidate

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On 22/04/18 07:53, flocculant wrote:

We've almost got to the end of yet another 6 month cycle.

On the iso tracker now we have our release candidates available for 
testing, it's entirely likely that over the next few days we'll see 
the iso's respun by the Canonical Release Team as late landing 
critical issues are found and dealt with.


So - please pick your iso from the 64 and 32 bit options on the 
tracker   and test it and report it.


http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/389/builds

Thanks for testing during the cycle for everyone involved in getting 
Xubuntu out of the door and for those about to install after all the 
hard work.


Cheers

Kev



Unsurprisingly we had a respin.

If you've not got around to testing then have a go for the rest of the 
community.


Cheers

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[xubuntu-users] Bionic Beaver 18.04 Release Candidate

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We've almost got to the end of yet another 6 month cycle.

On the iso tracker now we have our release candidates available for 
testing, it's entirely likely that over the next few days we'll see the 
iso's respun by the Canonical Release Team as late landing critical 
issues are found and dealt with.


So - please pick your iso from the 64 and 32 bit options on the tracker 
  and test it and report it.


http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/389/builds

Thanks for testing during the cycle for everyone involved in getting 
Xubuntu out of the door and for those about to install after all the 
hard work.


Cheers

Kev


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Re: [xubuntu-users] A Bionic Experience

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On 05/04/18 18:52, Leigh S wrote:

Hi, Moin, Olá etc

I am really, really happy with the absolutely excellent Xubuntu, thanks!

I did read through the blog and link info about helping with testing 
with very good intentions but it all went over my head and I could see 
that I would just be more trouble than help, given the time I have 
available (small child, work, house rebuild etc etc). ...snip ...

THANK YOU FOR A GREAT JOB!
(It's very much appreciated)

Leigh






First - thanks for testing and your mail to this list.

Secondly - testing's not hard - certainly easier than it reads ... pop 
by the dev irc channel sometime and ask - we're a friendly bunch [1]


Kev


[1] 
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=xubuntu-devel=tracker.=1=MTE9MjE131


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Re: [xubuntu-users] A Bionic Experience

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On 07/04/18 00:11, Peter Flynn wrote:

On 06/04/18 08:55, Chris Green wrote:

On Thu, Apr 05, 2018 at 08:14:55PM +0100, Peter Flynn wrote:
[snip]

(Also, I did not know if I should remove the stick before reboot after
installation finished

Most distributions explicitly ask you after the "Restart Now" button,
something like "Please remove the installation media and press Enter" or
something similar. I thought Xubuntu was among them...maybe not 18

No, I've seen this 'problem' as well when installing Xubuntu, I've
never seen a "remove the installation medium" message and have to
guess when to take it out.  Often I get back to the installation
screen and have to remove the USB stick and reboot.

Mint certainly has it because I installed a copy the other day and there
it was right at the end before the reboot. I was pretty certain Xubuntu
had it, but I may just be wrong; and I think I've seen it in
RedHat-based systems too. It certainly makes sense: I can't imagine why
it wouldn't be there.

P



We have it.

I've seen it, and I do boot our iso's really regularly - though it can 
take a long time to appear.


That said I just rebuilt our iso's following an update to fontconfig 
(which was causing long boot time on live-session and for the 1st login 
post-install) and the remove media message turned up in a normal(ish) time.


Kev



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Re: [xubuntu-users] Final Beta Testing

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On 31/03/18 07:44, flocculant wrote:
During the week leading up to Thursday 5th April we will see iso's 
available for milestone testing.


Please help to test this milestone - everyone should be able to do 
something to test this for us all.


If you've not already read the recent blog post from the Development 
and QA teams regarding the importance of testing - then have a read 
now ;) [1]


Links to the Final Beta section on the iso tracker will be posted to 
this thread as soon as I see them.


thanks all

Kev

[1] https://xubuntu.org/news/testing-for-xubuntu/



http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/388/builds

Currently empty - but it will be where it will show up.

thanks

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[xubuntu-users] Final Beta Testing

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During the week leading up to Thursday 5th April we will see iso's 
available for milestone testing.


Please help to test this milestone - everyone should be able to do 
something to test this for us all.


If you've not already read the recent blog post from the Development and 
QA teams regarding the importance of testing - then have a read now ;) [1]


Links to the Final Beta section on the iso tracker will be posted to 
this thread as soon as I see them.


thanks all

Kev

[1] https://xubuntu.org/news/testing-for-xubuntu/


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Re: [xubuntu-users] Testing for Xubuntu Introduction Session

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On 09/03/18 19:10, Len Philpot wrote:
Speaking only for myself, something written would be preferable as 
long as there's a place / means to ask questions (here?) in the event 
of issues. I have no objection to chat, but given a choice (in 
general) I'll opt for documentation. ... as long as I can ask later.  :-)


Thanks.

[snip]



We do have some documentation at https://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/

The testing parts are in Chapter 4 - some of it is for testers. It does 
take some reading and could possibly at times be too much information.


That said - I am always happy to answer questions on either of our 
mailing lists



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Re: [xubuntu-users] Testing for Xubuntu Introduction Session

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On 09/03/18 18:50, Len Philpot wrote:

On March 9, 2018 12:44:54 flocculant <floccul...@gmx.co.uk> wrote:


Is there an appetite amongst the community for us to run a fairly
informal session on how you could join in?


A concise 1-2-3 based tutorial / guide would be nice for those of us 
who haven't participated before.


Thanks


*Len Philpot* -- lphilpo...@gmail.com <mailto:lphilpo...@gmail.com>
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written or a live session on irc that people could ask things that 
confuse them?



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[xubuntu-users] Testing for Xubuntu Introduction Session

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Hi all,

following the recent blog post and social media posts we've seen an 
upswing in new people washing up on our shores :)


Is there an appetite amongst the community for us to run a fairly 
informal session on how you could join in?


We've got approximately 4 weeks between now and the start of Final Beta 
and then Release Candidate that we could fit something in - I'll wait 
for replies on either of the 2 lists - and we'll get something written 
for social media posts.


cheers

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Re: [xubuntu-users] General Note on the the iso.qa tracker site

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On 08/03/18 18:26, Eric Curtin wrote:

Ubuntu is still supporting i386 for 18.04?

Whichever devices run on i386 CPU's probably need a hardware upgrade 
rather than an distro upgrade! ☺️


Would have been nice to just support 64 bit for x86 on 18.04, cuts the 
test matrix in 
half





Ubuntu isn't - as far as I am aware most (if not all) flavours are still 
supporting i386 for the foreseeable future.


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[xubuntu-users] General Note on the the iso.qa tracker site

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Every time we put out a call for testing - we link you to this place.

Not sure whether people are aware but, if someone visits there and at 
least 1 test has been done for each possible test - they would see 
something like [1]




This tells us a few things:

1. we've got 5 of 5 tested in both Mandatory sections
2. we've got 3 of 3 tested in both Run Once sections
3. we have no optional testcases

It doesn't however tell us how many people have tested each of the 
various testcases, to see that you need to enter either the 64 or 32 bit 
sections - and you'll now see a list of all the various testcases and 
how many times each one has been tested.


On entering you might find that each test has been run once - and while 
that proves that the test has either passed or failed - it's done so 
once for one person.


I'm sure that you'd agree that this is less than ideal.

What we at the Xubuntu Team would really like to see, is more and more 
of the community doing testing, but more importantly reporting it.


If you're someone with a very specific set of hardware then it is even 
more important.


Let's get the number of tests run for each option at least into double 
figures, recently we've had to release when we've had 2 or 3 test 
results recorded.


The greater the spread of hardware we get tested the more we can be sure 
that the release is likely to be good for more people.


cheers

Kev


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[xubuntu-users] Bionic Beta racing along - testing needed

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The first $6million beta will be available some time in the next few 
hours for testing.


This is the first of 2 milestones we are taking part in prior to the 
release of 18.04 in April. Being an LTS we'll be supporting this release 
for 3 years.


Please help to test this milestone - everyone should be able to do 
something to test our milestones.


If you think there's little point in testing - please have a read of 
https://xubuntu.org/news/testing-for-xubuntu/


Once the milestone makes it to the ISO tracker - you'll be able to find 
it on here


http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/387/builds

thanks all

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[xubuntu-users] EOL Notice - 17.04 Zesty Zapus

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On January 13, 2018 this release reaches it's end of life.

If you are running this release we suggest you upgrade to 17.10 which is 
currently supported.


https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-January/000227.html


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[xubuntu-users] 17.10 Download and installation - Bug on some Lenovo machines

[flocculant]

Due to a bug in some Lenovo machines, installing in some circumstances 
is discouraged.


Ubuntu 17.10 corrupting BIOS - many LENOVO laptops models > 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1734147


Please check the above report if you are thinking of installing 17.10 on 
a Lenovo laptop.


This has been noted on the Xubuntu.org download page and the release 
note for 17.10.


When we are sure that the bug is fixed we will remove the warnings from 
those 2 places.


Cheers

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[xubuntu-users] Fwd: Planned Maintenance Advisory (Service Affecting): Ubuntu mailing lists - 2017-09-04 00:00 UTC

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for information




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deliverability to email providers using DMARC [1], we will be performing 
service-affecting maintenance on the  Ubuntu mailing lists server, 
starting from 00:00 UTC next Monday, 2017-09-04. We anticipate this 
maintenance to take no longer than 6 hours.


During the downtime, there will be no emails delivered on Ubuntu mailing 
lists.  All other Canonical-managed Ubuntu services should remain up and 
be unaffected.


Progress of the work will be communicated in #canonical-sysadmins on 
Freenode IRC.  If you have any questions or concerns please contact the 
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[xubuntu-users] 16.10 EOL

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16.10 is due to go End of Life on 20th July. Upgrade to 17.04 to keep 
support. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZestyUpgrades


regards

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Prospective Testers: What questions do you have?

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On 03/06/17 01:35, Jose I Diaz Bardales wrote:

...
Hello Flocculant and List,

I am not new to testing but I have been absent lately (work-family life).

I had some free time today and read the logs you provided about testing.

I do have two questions (or clarifications)

[Question] If enable the Propose repositories to test a specific package
and verify that it has been fixed. Will this action update other Propose
packages as well?
If you enable the -proposed repository to test a specific package - eg 
apt update then either upgrade only the package to test, or reinstall 
it, then disable -proposed you will not have updated *all* available 
from -proposed.


However if you apt update then apt upgrade you will upgrade *any* 
package you have installed that is available in -proposed.

[Question] I like to test the daily ISO for the current development
cycle but I notice a new daily ISO for Xenial and Vivid should I be
testing those daily ISOs?
Vivid - this is EOL for us now, Vivid remains on the ISO tracker for 
Ubuntu and Phone. Though looking now I see that while it appears on the 
tracker there are no relevant builds available for anything. It will 
likely change to Released at some point.


Xenial - this will remain on the tracker until it's EOL for Ubuntu 
(2019). Historically we tend to ignore the tracker for LTS releases 
APART from when there is a milestone, next being 16.04.3.


However if you want to test them go ahead, bear in mind we don't 
regularly check tracker for Xenial now, so if you did find an issue then 
you'll need to let us know either on irc or at our -devel mailing list.

TIA







Hope that helps
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Re: [xubuntu-users] No indication of disk checks at login

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On 27/05/17 11:40, Chris Green wrote:

[snip]
16.04

Ok - was hoping it to be 16.10 - that had some white on the plymouth 
screen - not too good with white text.


I'd suggest reporting it then, could be that there is a Xubuntu specific 
issue going, in which case the bug might get re-routed to a different 
package.


From a terminal

ubuntu-bug plymouth

It might well be that there's something up locally - but I've no idea 
what - I've not seen any other reports of similar.




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[xubuntu-users] Prospective Testers: What questions do you have?

[flocculant]

A short while ago we ran the first IRC session for this cycle for 
prospective testers to come along to. This was really a primer for what 
we do. Well - how I run my installs and what I do ...


Turnout was much as it usually is for these things ;)

What I'd like to do next time is build on that - and this is easy for 
you - you don't need to actually come along to anything ...


We ask you to do just 2 things, read the previous session log [1]. Then 
ask your question in this thread, we want the question in the following 
form of so we can easily copy it -


[Question] I want to know if unicorns are real or if they are myths?

Once we have a sensible amount of questions from people - we'll look at 
how to get that information out to people, we have a few options 
available to us there. Another IRC session, a blog post, a wiki page - 
mostly dependent


Kind regards

Kev for Xubuntu QA

[1] https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/05/12/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t19:08


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Re: [xubuntu-users] No indication of disk checks at login

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On 17/05/17 13:26, Chris Green wrote:

I used to get a (small) message on the pre-login screen when fsck disk
checks were done automatically at start up.  These seem to have
disappeared now.

Is this a bug?  It's really necessary for the system to say something
as otherwise it simply looks as if the boot has hung for some reason
and with big disks it can take a long time for the checks to complete.

First - are you sure that fsck is running? You've not changed the fstab 
options?


Secondly - I have 2 types of disk locally - ssd and hdd's - never really 
notice fsck when it's checking on the ssd (unless I'm watching the 
monitor at the time), but still see that on hdd's ( and did while 
testing the last 4 releases - currently seeing it when it takes some 
time on Artful)


If you haven't changed the options in fstab and fsck IS running - 
perhaps set it to perform a check on next boot - and really watch the 
monitor - just in case it's very quick. Then redo the fsck check - and 
edit the kernel line so you've no quiet splash [1] - what you need to do 
is remove the quiet splash from the linux line here, so you boot with 
text - see what that says.


If you don't see anything on GUI - but do with text (and assuming here 
that you've got hdd and not ssd - with no errors) I'd say that was a bug.


regards


[1] 
https://askubuntu.com/questions/19486/how-do-i-add-a-kernel-boot-parameter


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[xubuntu-users] Xubuntu Testers IRC Session

[flocculant]

For the session it's not necessary to have anything installed other than 
a working browser.


It will help to have at least the following open in your browser:

 * http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/

 * http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/

 * https://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa.html

 * https://wiki.xubuntu.org/qa/isotesting



We'll be using the Xubuntu team's development channel for the most part, 
if IRC is just some acronym that means little - you can join the channel 
from the teams dev tracker - https://dev.xubuntu.org/  .


Go to the IRC tab - this opens a webchat tab, deal with the Captcha, 
then Connect, eventually you'll find yourself in the #xubuntu-devel 
channel (you can 
see channel names in the status at top) in the bar at the bottom type 
/join #xubuntu-offtopic 
.


You are now in both channels. When you want to ask a question - please 
do so in the -offtopic channel, using [QUESTION] - Dave (akxwi-dave) 
will be reading in there and will paste questions into the devel channel 
at appropriate times.


If you know what IRC is and use it - then join the channels as you 
normally would ;)


We'll be covering 5 subjects during the session:

 * Testing for SRU bug fixes

 * Milestone and Daily ISO testing

 * Package testing

 * Exploratory testing

 * Testing Xfce git packages


[1] https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg 
=Xubuntu++Testers+Session 
=20170512T19 
=%3A 
=1 

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Xubuntu Testing - IRC Session

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On 28/04/17 19:38, flocculant wrote:

Bumping this - will decide on date on the 5th May


On 21/04/17 17:46, flocculant wrote:
It's some time since we last thought about running a session on IRC 
for new testers and how we use the development versions.


We plan to try and run one early in this new Artful cycle, if you are 
interested please pop along to the doodle poll and register your 
interest against the options there [1]


We're not sure of the way we'll run the session - that likely depends 
to some degree on how many people are expected.


We will cover at the least, multi-booting, the Xubuntu PPA's, running 
the development release as your main system, bug reporting and when 
to do it, where you can get close to real-time information on major 
breakages if they occur.


regards

Kev

[1] http://doodle.com/poll/5nkgh7nr7hi2v4h2







Closed poll early.

Session will run (assuming people show up) on:

Friday 12th May @19:00 UTC [1]

regards

Kev


[1] 
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Xubuntu++Testers+Session=20170512T19=%3A=1


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Re: [xubuntu-users] Xubuntu Testing - IRC Session

[flocculant]

Bumping this - will decide on date on the 5th May


On 21/04/17 17:46, flocculant wrote:
It's some time since we last thought about running a session on IRC 
for new testers and how we use the development versions.


We plan to try and run one early in this new Artful cycle, if you are 
interested please pop along to the doodle poll and register your 
interest against the options there [1]


We're not sure of the way we'll run the session - that likely depends 
to some degree on how many people are expected.


We will cover at the least, multi-booting, the Xubuntu PPA's, running 
the development release as your main system, bug reporting and when to 
do it, where you can get close to real-time information on major 
breakages if they occur.


regards

Kev

[1] http://doodle.com/poll/5nkgh7nr7hi2v4h2





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[xubuntu-users] Xubuntu Testing - IRC Session

[flocculant]

It's some time since we last thought about running a session on IRC for 
new testers and how we use the development versions.


We plan to try and run one early in this new Artful cycle, if you are 
interested please pop along to the doodle poll and register your 
interest against the options there [1]


We're not sure of the way we'll run the session - that likely depends to 
some degree on how many people are expected.


We will cover at the least, multi-booting, the Xubuntu PPA's, running 
the development release as your main system, bug reporting and when to 
do it, where you can get close to real-time information on major 
breakages if they occur.


regards

Kev

[1] http://doodle.com/poll/5nkgh7nr7hi2v4h2


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Re: [xubuntu-users] Xubuntu 16.04 : no more xfce4-mixer?!

[flocculant]

Make sure it's installed then. Package is actually called pavucontrol,
should be available to add to panel now.

Then check in Add Items again.


On 27/12/16 09:24, Ulli Horlacher wrote:
> On Tue 2016-12-27 (09:10), flocculant wrote:
>> pavucontrol - which will be in your panel already - assuming you've not
>> removed it
> I have upgraded from Xubuntu 12.04, there is no pavucontrol in my panel.
> When I click on "Add New Items" I cannot find pavucontrol or "volume
> control" or similar.
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Re: [xubuntu-users] Xubuntu 16.04 : no more xfce4-mixer?!

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pavucontrol - which will be in your panel already - assuming you've not
removed it


On 26/12/16 15:52, Ulli Horlacher wrote:
> Xubuntu 16.04 has no more xfce4-mixer!
> What is an alternative for controlling audio output and volume?
>
>  


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Re: [xubuntu-users] Broken distro deposited on the official website

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http://askubuntu.com/questions/760406/ubuntu-16-04-final-not-booting-from-stick-gfxboot-c32-not-a-com32r-image


On 19/12/16 23:08, user wrote:
>
> I'm trying to install Xubuntu 16.04 32 bit downloaded by ".torrent" link:
> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/xenial/release/desktop/xubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
>
> 1. After writing the image to a flashdrive using Ubuntu Boot Disc
> utility I got the following message on load:
> "Missing parameter in configuration file. Keyword: path
> gfxboot.c32: not a COM32R image" .
> Tested on 2 laptops.
> 2. There is no checksum on visible place of the website so I'm not
> able to check the correctness of downloaded the image.
> 3. Aren't mentioned above bugs too serious to happen with "the most
> popular and user friendly" OS?
>
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Re: [xubuntu-users] ...just learned a lesson that I really already knew...

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First - could you not get to recovery rather than ssh?

Anyway - I have

/usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/90-numlock.conf

   [Seat:*]
   greeter-setup-script=/usr/bin/numlockx on

Obviously have numlockx installed. I've found that numlock at the 
keyboard settings makes no difference at all to login screen.




On 01/12/16 03:50, Len Philpot wrote:
...and after nearly 20 years in IT (most of that on *nix) I should 
have known better, but...   :-)
Lesson: Be careful what you put in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf. It can 
prevent login.
Backstory: I applied updates as prompted tonight and after rebooting, 
it (16.04.1 LTS) came up to the teal boot splash with the rotating 
circle and did... nothing. No login prompt and no combination of 
Ctrl+Alt+Fx would give me a console prompt.
But I was able to SSH in from my laptop! There were lots of messages 
in /var/log/syslog about lightdm failing to start (tell me something I 
don't know!) and 'systemctl status lightdm.service' confirmed it was 
down. There were also a couple of messages about not being able to 
load /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf due to an entry not being in a group 
(or something like that - Not on the box now to check).
Anyway, when I took a look at lightdm.conf, there was a "numlockx" 
line (the only one) I had forgotten about putting there a few days 
ago... from unverified online advice.  :-/  I was trying to get number 
lock to turn on automatically, but obviously that's not the way to do 
it!  :-)  I deleted (the otherwise empty) lightdm.conf and voila...! 
It works great again.
Once again, I should have asked the question: What did you change 
last? (only this time of myself).
Speaking of number lock: Is there a way to reliably and safely enable 
it at login?

Thanks.

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Error Noted After Update

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https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/synaptic/+bug/1522675

It's a warning - not an error.

Been about for a while.

I ignore it.
On 24/10/16 06:54, Don wrote:

Can someone explain this error notice:

W: Can't drop privileges for downloading as file 
'/var/cache/apt/archives/partial/uno-libs3_5.2.2-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb' 
couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission 
denied)



Received the last few updates.

Don





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Re: [xubuntu-users] Jordan's weird dev upgrade method [was Re: 16.10 Yakkety alpha]

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On 26/05/16 14:53, Florian Coste wrote:

Hi,

2016-05-26 10:53 GMT+02:00 JMZ :

5) If a ppa website says that it explicitly supports yakkety, you're probably 
okay with the ppa signature you have now.  If not, you'll have to run the new 
signature with 'add-apt-repository' and generate new source.list.d files.

Have you ever seen a ppa which supports already the next stable
version before it's released ?
You'll find that the ones that *we* care about will when necessary, at 
this time all of our dev ppa's are yakkety ready.



Why don't use the daily iso built from the devel version ? Why do you
think it's not easier ?

By the way, I think I should be ready to have a dual-boot with the
actual stable version (Xenial) and with the next release (Yakkety). I
should be ready to use everday the devel version, and come back to
Xenial if something is wrong. But, I have a question, how to deal with
ppa ? As I said, I think it's hard to find ppa which support the devel
version, so, if I need a ppa for my personal work (which support only
stable version), how can I do in order to use it in the devel version
?

Thanks
Florian

Often I've managed to run 'supported' ppa with 'dev' release - just 
change where it's pointing e.g. if you add a ppa and it's good for 
xenial and previous but not yakkety - edit the source file to say 
xenial. _Won't always work - but worth trying_. I have to do that with 
clementine dev version from ppa.


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Re: [xubuntu-users] XUbuntu Desktop selection

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On 18/05/16 19:18, Wither Slick wrote:


Did you ever get an answer? I'm really curious about this too.

On May 14, 2016 1:14 PM, "Tong Sun" > wrote:

>
> On the XUbuntu lightdm login prompt, there is a selection in UR 
corner, of choosing XFce or Ubuntu.

>
> I had always been wondering what's the differences between the two, 
but never bother to ask before.

>
> Please help.
> Thanks
>
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"The xubuntu session differs from the xfce session in that it applies 
some of the xubuntu-specific enhancements to Xfce (themeing, wallpaper, 
some config changes, etc). Have a look at the files in the 
xubuntu-default-settings package." [1]


Sums it up.

To check it out - you could try Toz's suggestion from the same post [1]

"The best way to test and view the differences is to create two new 
accounts, and for one, select Xubuntu session and the other xfce session 
then compare. (You can also delete the ~/.config/xfce and 
~/.cache/sessions folder between logins to reset xfce, but you will lose 
all customizations)."


regards


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Re: [xubuntu-users] I have "Indicators" and "Notification Area" in my panel, are they both necessary?

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On 14/05/16 10:07, Chris Green wrote:

As per the subject I seem to have two items in my panel which serve
the same purpose.

"Indicators" has 'Application Indicators', 'Messaging
Menu' and 'Sound Menu' in it.

"Notification Area" has 'Owncloud', 'Xfce Power Manager', 'Network
Manager Applet', and four more.

The configuration GUI for both looks the same except for the name, are
these really different or has one got left over from an old version of
xubuntu?

Is it possible to clear this up?


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Re: [xubuntu-users] Interrupted release upgrade, how to complete?

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On 14/05/16 09:45, Chris Green wrote:

The cat (not in my good books!) jumped on the keyboard of my laptop
while doing a do-release-upgrade from 15.10 to 16.04.

It happened while downloading the files.

I have run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade' which ended up
producing a working system but it hasn't upgraded completely.  It
still has the 4.2.x kernelt for example.

Running 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade' again produces a huge
list of "The following packages have been held back", presumably I
need to get these to be installed as well to complete the upgrade.
How do I do this?


apt-get dist-upgrade should deal with the held packages

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Xubuntu

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On 14/05/16 09:09, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:

On 13/05/16 21:27, Michael Johnsen wrote:

To Xubuntu team
I have been glad to have installed Xubuntu on my Laptop half a year ago.
Today, 13-05-2016 I updated as I have done regularly, but this time it
says "interface down", and I haven't been able to connect to the
internet since.
How Come?

Hope You are able to help me,
and thanks

Michael Johnsen
town of Odense,
Denmark


Hello Michael,

forwarding this to the Xubuntu-users [1] mailing list where user support
is done.

Note: By subscribing to that list, you can make sure your mails go
through directly and do not need moderation.

Cheers,
Pasi

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You don't say what version of Xubuntu you installed.

There was a package uploaded to the repo's that affects (as far as I am 
aware) 14.04.


http://askubuntu.com/questions/727127/last-upgrade-crashes-network-manager-no-internet-connection-no-applet/727462#727462

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnl3/+bug/1511735

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Xubuntu core

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On 30/04/16 21:44, Tong Sun wrote:

Hi,

I come across this "*Xubuntu core*"
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/18/xubuntu_review/

Does any one know,

- is there any 16.04 release iso that I can download?
- is there other introduction materials than above?

Thanks





This community release has been hanging about for a few cycles.

We do keep it on the testing tracker[1] - if you've tried using it - 
please pass on what you've seen while installing it.


We do (and I mean both Unit and Xubuntu QA) watch that even though it's 
not xurrently official.


The build does change - currently we're expecting a more recent build 
since the release of 16.04


cheers

Kev

[1] 
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/360/builds/118691/testcases


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Re: [xubuntu-users] Hard Drive Full !!!

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On 07/05/16 13:04, J. Paul Bissonnette wrote:

I tried to copy files from an external HDD to my Home dir and
received a warning that that HDD was full.  !

This is not possible since yesterday I had 330GB free. I checked the
size of each dir and it did not add up to anywhere near being full.

For some unknown reason checked /media from a terminal, there was 3
devices connected with the balance of the data that gave a disk full
warning.

Very interesting since at this time no HDDs were connect externally. One
of the devices mounted as root has been in a suitcase for 3 weeks and
the other 2 are in a 5 bay external rack powered off and the USB 3.0
cable disconnected. These two have video files that I have been
transferring between two external HDDs.

Has anyone an theory as to how this might have happened?






None.

Not surprising you've given no real info to anyone.

I'd first guess at some encryption foo so please give people the results of

df -h
df -h /boot
mount

thanks

Just as a for instance I've got ~2Tb free - NONE of which is available 
to root to do what 'it' wants with ...




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Re: [xubuntu-users] Xubuntu mirrors

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On 30/04/16 21:48, Tong Sun wrote:
Anyone knows if there is any Xubuntu mirrors available in Canada, or 
near Toronto/New York?


I've checked those mirrors listed in
http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/mirrors/

but none that I checked (3 in total, including 
http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/ubuntu-releases/) carry Xubuntu iso 
any more.


Thanks




Looks ok to me if you look at the Xubuntu releases and not Ubuntu ones

http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/xubuntu-releases/xenial/


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[xubuntu-users] IRC Testing sessions

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Similar to those we set up during the last cycle - we are considering 
doing the same for this cycle.


While we've not settled upon when we would be running them, it is likely 
that the first will be towards the end of May or in June.


What would help us right now would be the likelihood of attendees.

The first would cover both ISO testing and package testing during the 
same session and be a brief run-through for newer testers.


Later sessions, if there is a need, would cover things with a bit more 
detail.


So right now a simple 'yay' from you, if you would attend, will give us 
some idea of whether it's worth running, we can then follow up with more 
concrete times.


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[xubuntu-users] Xenial Xerus Testing Final

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We are now 4 or 5 days away from release.

So if you've been thinking about testing iso's for us all and haven't 
got around to it - have a go - it's quite simple :)


We've got important bugs listed on the draft release note [1] check the 
date at the top for when we last edited that.


There is a bug affecting most people where you don't see the try/install 
dialogue and the iso lands at the live session desktop [2]


_You can still however test the iso for our parts reporting to the 
tracker as normal. _


As always report to the tracker > 
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds


regards


[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/FinalRelease/Xubuntu
[2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menulibre/+bug/1515184
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[xubuntu-users] Call for testing Beta 2 - regarding upgrades

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*Current situation with Xubuntu 16.04 upgrades*

As promised earlier, this is where we stand currently with upgrading 
–note that the tests we have undertaken so far have for the most part 
only been in virtual machines, though see bug reported by one of our 
testers on hardware [1].


1) Upgrading from 15.10 to 16.04 worksusing any method.
2) Upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04 works when you use the ISO to upgrade; 
see [2].

3) Upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04 FAILS using update-manager.

In the original bug report the tester was left with a frozen system 
after upgrading. After a hard reset, they could get into a VT, but not 
the GUI. It is possible that you don't see all of the symptoms mentioned 
here, but it is likely you will end up in a broken environment. As noted 
in the bug report [1], running "dpkg  --configure -a" shouldallow you to 
finish the upgrade and thenlet the system boot normally.


All information we can get to triage the source of the fail is welcome. 
Ifyouhaveamachineor twoyoucan afford to 'break' and then attempt to fix, 
we would be very happy to hear your results from such testing.


If you're in a situation where you cannot afford to break your system, 
then we do NOT recommend trying to proceed with the upgrade.The choice 
of course is yours to make, but we don't want our testers to be left 
with broken machines.


Work onfixingthe upgrade pathfrom 14.04 to 16.04 is being undertaken by 
Canonical.More information and calls for testing will follow in due course.



[1] 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1559463

[2] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1498/info

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Call for Testing.

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On 22/03/16 14:21, Petter Adsen wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 06:53:58 +
floccul...@gmx.co.uk wrote:


On 21/03/16 10:24, Dave Pearson wrote:

With the imminent release of Xenial Beta 2, the need for testing
increases.

If you have any spare time, no matter how much. Please consider
helping the QA Team and fellow testers.


The iso's can both be found here

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/358/builds

I will be extremely surprised if there are no rebuilds between now
and Thursday so please keep checking there for new builds.

As always the only way we will know how these images work for you is
by you actually reporting to the tracker.

Are you most interested in upgrades or clean installs? I have a couple
of machines I can test on, but I don't have the time to test both.

Petter


Probably clean installs is best for the moment.

I'll be sending a mail to the list about upgrading later tonight - 
giving people the heads up on where we are, what I've seen.


So maybe wait until you've seen that - it might make your mind up for you ;)

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Call for Testing.

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On 21/03/16 10:24, Dave Pearson wrote:


With the imminent release of Xenial Beta 2, the need for testing 
increases.


If you have any spare time, no matter how much. Please consider 
helping the QA Team and fellow testers.


Information can be found here. 
http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-tester.html


With more eyes looking for Bugs and Problems you can help improve your 
favourite Distro.


If you have any questions feel, free to grab one of the Team on IRC, 
or via this list.



Dave

akxwi-dave

Xubuntu QA Member





The iso's can both be found here

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/358/builds

I will be extremely surprised if there are no rebuilds between now and 
Thursday so please keep checking there for new builds.


As always the only way we will know how these images work for you is by 
you actually reporting to the tracker.




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[xubuntu-users] QA testing documentation

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Along with many of the other 'team' documents, the testing and QA pages 
have moved from the website [1] . *This page is now deprecated.*


We are moving all across to http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors

The QA pages now live there, any changes to how we work will take place 
there, currently we have 3 pages


http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-team.html
http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-testing.html
http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-bugs.html

hopefully they all make some sort of sense, we have endeavoured to make 
these pages answer all the questions that we can think off, we would 
love to hear your feedback on them, and the information they can give you.


Mostly we want to know - what's missing?

What did you need to know? Did you find out?

We have assumed some things - check out the first page 
http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/



(please bear in mind that if you landed here on Xenial that pdf is broken)



[1] http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa
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Re: [xubuntu-users] How to test packages IRC session

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On 22/12/15 20:06, floccul...@gmx.co.uk wrote:
Following on from the "How to begin testing session on IRC [1] " we 
ran in November, we are planning to run a session based around packages.


We'll be covering things like, amongst others,  using the dev ppa's, 
how to create useful bug reports, exploratory testing, making sure 
bugs get reported.


We'll be attempting to run this on the 31st January.  This is just 
before a slew of calls for testing of packages and the first of the 
Beta milestones we'll be participating in this cycle (Beta 1).


There is a doodle poll at [2] for people to choose their time(s) from.


[1] 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-November/010966.html

[2] http://doodle.com/poll/2h6dfni5gybedvf6





bumping this post-xmas break
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