from:"Walter Hieber"

Re: [yoper-dev] It's alive !

2008-11-30 Thread Walter Hieber

Looks great! Glad to see the improvement.
Walter

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tobias Gerschner
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 3:41 AM
To: Yoper Development List
Subject: [yoper-dev] It's alive !

Hi,

After a long time of silence ... .

As some of you are aware I've been tied up mentally at work for an
extended period of time. Now I cut myself free and I can feel the
power return . As a first result I proudly present :
http://web3.yoper.com , a first shot at a new improved presence of
Yoper in the www.

I intend to replace www.yoper.com within 24 hours. But by no means
this page is complete with features, design , usability , content and
... whatever I could not think of.  But I am already very confident
that this new page is superior to what we have in many ways.

So, what is the most important function that you like to see on
www.yoper.com and how well is it represented right now on
www.yoper.com or web3.yoper.com .

Please let me / us know .

cheers

--
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Yoper Linux - www.yoper.com

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Re: [yoper-dev] Yoper 3.0.1 Titanium Maintenance Release

2007-10-03 Thread Walter Hieber

Awesome news! I'll give it a spin as soon as I can. 
Walter

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tobias Gerschner
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 4:48 PM
To: Yoper Development List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [yoper-dev] Yoper 3.0.1 Titanium Maintenance Release

Hi,

We're proud to announce the distribution release of yoper 3.0.1
Titanium. It is the first and only maintenance release for Yoper 3.0.
We are already very busy working on Yoper 3.1, which is scheduled to
be released in Dec 2007.

The focus for 3.0.1 has been bugfixing and updating. There are more
than 500 updated or new packages. This release features kernel
2.6.21.1 including the -ck
patchset with the SD scheduler. It ships xorg 7.3 and compiz for
desktop effects. It furthermore comes with kde 3.5.7, koffice 1.6.3.
and Firefox 2.0.0.7 as well as a large number of other cutting-edge
desktop packages available via online repositories.

This release is shipped in 2 flavors. A slim cd with 142 MB and a live
cd with 678 MB. A DVD will be released in 2 weeks time to include
feedback from the 3.0.1 release.

The full announcement is available here :
http://www.yoper.com/announcements/yoper-3.0.1/ . Please use this in
your announcement posts to make sure people can find release specific
updates  ( torrent seeds , bugfixes etc. )

For those interested what has been going on behind the scenes , check
out here: http://www.yoper.com/wiki/index.php?title=Developers .

Also stop by at irc.freenode.org #yoper to chat with us .

kind regards

-- 
Tobias Gerschner
Member of Board of Yoper Linux Ltd. NZ

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Re: [yoper-dev] IRC-Meeting coming thursday 8 pm NZ-Time (GMT+11)

2007-07-23 Thread Walter Hieber





Hi all! I am starting a new company (Already working on it) where I
will be offering web site development and hosting. One of my goals is
to sponsor Yoper projects. Just keep that in mind as you plan for Yoper
3.0 new roll out. I am currently busy developing the system and
hopefully at some point I will be able to offer Yoper Based Hosting.
The project is at its infancy right now but you can take a quick look
at www.thesuntree.com My new company is The Sun Tree Web Services, LLC.
. It will be a project that aims to give back to the open source
community and Yoper is my favorite project! It is a for profit project
but I do plan on making a way to return income to developers and
customers for referals. The details are not perfectly clear yet but I
have several developers and site operators that will be involved and
any members with the Yoper team that have an interest let me know. 
Best regards, Walter

Arnulf Pelzer wrote:

  Moin,
we have to do this following stuff to end of 2007 imho:
1. New website design, Joomla based, Multilingual, starting with Yoper 3.0
2. New Wiki, gentoo like, Multilingual, starting with Yoper 3.0
3. Graphics, includes icons wallpapers and a mascot (thinking about a
underwater flying penguin)

greets
Arnulf


2007/7/23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  
  
Hi all!

I think it's time that we meet to discuss our plans for the 3.1 release to
 actually start the development on that. Goals of that discussion will be a
 timed roadmap for 3.1 (assembled in a wiki entry perhaps) as well as possible
 and impossible projects and improvements for the planned release date (end
 2007).


Most importants topics for now:
1. installer - my suggestion: anaconda (I'm currently building all the
depencies)
2. usability
3. lsb-compliance

There will be a log for all that can't participate in the meeting. Though I
would like to see all you yoperians devs out there ;)

Regards

apriori
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[yoper-dev] Titanium is awesome!

2007-06-23 Thread Walter Hieber

Tobias and team,
 I have been a pretty quiet team member for quite a while now for a variety
of reasons. Mostly because my life has been filled with a lot of demanding
activities and there has been very little time for much else. That being
said after installing Yoper Version 3.0 Titanium release I am most proud to
say that this is the best Yoper ever! Tobias and team you all should be
commended to the highest rank for this release. I am shocked that there
hasn't been the fan fare that this release deserves. Andreas did a great job
with Yoper, don't get me wrong but Tobias and team you did it! You improved
Yoper to a level that it has never been at before. The useage of smart for
handling the builds has been an excellent move and the real community
building packages moves Yoper Titanium into an entirely different status. I
know that Ubuntu has the lions share of users right now and with the kind of
backing they have its understandable. I beleive that Yoper Titanium and the
following releases could again land at the top of Distrowatch. It's my
opinion that Ubuntu's success is because they have made it easy for the
average user to install and use, and they have made available a ton of
support. Now that Yoper is stable and amazingly fast I beleive that we stand
a real possibility to do the same.

Let the Yoperization Begin!

Walter


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[yoper-dev] Application request: No Machine NX

2007-06-22 Thread Walter Hieber

Here is an application that I used to use and that we once had 
available. Maybe If I can do it I will be build the rpm for us but if I 
don't get to it and someone wants a challenge Here is it:
http://www.nomachine.com/

Walter

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Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Yoper 3.0 Titanium released

2007-06-16 Thread Walter Hieber

I just finished creating a New Yoper wallpaper for those that might mant to
try it. Here is the link
http://yoperstuff.com/Yoper-Screenshots/Yoper-titanium3.0.png

Enjoy!
Walter



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Re: [yoper-dev] Problem with development.yoper.com

2007-06-10 Thread Walter Hieber

Hey I just lookeed at the text file that explains the problem.
Does running the script completely hang up the server or is it when it gets
hit a number of times? Because if the problem is the later then I recommend
reactivating the script temporarily , running the script one time and then
saving the output from your browser as an html file and then deactivating
the script, and replacing the script with the saved html output of the
script. This would be an impovement over the explaination.
 Regards, Walter

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Davide "m3xican"
Coppola
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 2:17 PM
To: yoper-dev@lists.yoper.com
Subject: Re: [yoper-dev] Problem with development.yoper.com


Hi,
I suggest to re-activate the page and replace the PHP script with an
announcement (also a simple txt file), just to inform the users that
the service is temporary unavailable, it's not so a good thing getting
an error page ;-)

However in order to fix the problem, I'm thinking to use a DB to store
parsed data.
A script can run once a day (or every time an admin wants) and collect
data in the DB, and another script can retrieve data from the DB and
show them in a web page.

This solution would also give the possibility to implement research of
packages in a easy way.

TobiG, can you create a DB and email me the login data? :-)

Cheers.

2007/6/9, Tobias Gerschner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
>
> I took the package database down for the moment. I had to power cycle
> the development server 2 times today. Something seems to lock up the
> server. My only guess is right now that it is caused by too many
> accesses on the package database.
>
> We'll have to keep an eye on it. I'll keep you all updated on it.
>
> regards

--
Davide "M3xican" Coppola


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[yoper-dev] New theme for Yoperstuff.com

2007-05-23 Thread Walter Hieber

I've not had much time to work on this version but I am wishing all the best
to the team. I have changed the theme to Yoperstuff.com and I hope that you
like it. I will try to keep up with the current Yoper development on
yoperstuff. A lot has been goinbg on but I do hope to return to Yoper team
again in the future, Keep up the great work.
Walter
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Re: [yoper-dev] last chance to get something done for the beta iso

2007-03-23 Thread Walter Hieber

As soon as it is ready I will put a post in Yoperstuff.com and upload a 
copy to Yoperstuff.com for download there also.

Walter



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[yoper-dev] Re: Linspire Standardizes Software Installation Across Linux Distributions

2007-01-23 Thread Walter Hieber





Do you think that Yoper might benefit from this?
Walter

Linspire, Inc. wrote:

  Linspire Standardizes Software
Installation Across Linux Distributions
  
  Linspire's CNR ("Click 'N Run") Service to support popular
Linux distributions, including Debian, Fedora, Freespire, Linspire,
OpenSUSE, and Ubuntu
  
  
  
  San Diego, California - January 23th, 2007 -  Linspire, Inc.,
developer of the commercial desktop Linux operating system of the same
name, announced plans to standardize software installation across Linux
distributions by expanding its popular CNR ("Click 'N Run") digital
download and software management service to support several of the most
popular desktop Linux distributions in 2007. Previously available only
for Linspire and Freespire desktop Linux users, the CNR Service will
begin providing users of other desktop Linux distributions a free and
easy way to access over 20,000 desktop Linux products, packages and
libraries, all with a single mouse click. 
  
Finding, installing and updating software has been confusing for many
desktop Linux users, with each distribution requiring their own
installation process. With over five years of development, CNR will now
normalize the process of finding, installing and updating Linux
software for the most popular Linux distributions, both Debian and RPM
based. Support for different Linux distributions will begin being
available in the 2nd Quarter of 2007 via a new website, http://cnr.com. Distributions expected to be
supported during 2007 are (alphabetically): Debian, Fedora, Freespire,
Linspire, OpenSUSE, and Ubuntu, with other distributions planned to
follow. 
  
CNR will remain a free service for all the distributions supported.
Work on this project began a year ago, and Linspire has completely
redesigned, updated, and enhanced the CNR technology to support
multiple distributions, both Debian and RPM based. At http://cnr.com, users may use their web
browser to search for applications by title, popularity, user rating,
category, function, and so on. An open-sourced plugin for each
supported distribution is then used to add the one-click installation
functionality. The new multi-distribution CNR system will support
different distributions, as well as different versions within these
distributions. 
  
"The CNR Service was designed to solve the complexity of finding and
installing desktop Linux applications, as well as educating the world
about all the quality Linux software available," said Kevin Carmony,
CEO of Linspire. "It only made sense to expand our successful CNR
Service to additional desktop Linux distributions and their users. CNR
will normalize the process of installing software across most of the
popular distributions, something Linux really needs to gain mainstream
adoption."
  
  
The new multi-distribution CNR technology standardizes the installation
process for the user without requiring a new or altered packaging
system. CNR uses standard .deb and .rpm files, while shielding the user
from the complexity of these packaging systems. This allows developers
to continue using their same packaging methods, and the different
distributions can continue with their normal release management
practices. By building CNR around existing packaging systems, it also
brings the silos of tens of thousands of quality Linux applications
immediately into the CNR system. CNR adds server and client side
intelligence to overcome any dependency challenges presented by the
current packaging systems, but without the need for altering these
ubiquitous systems.
  
  
CNR.com will also bring more choices for users to purchase premium
products and services, such as legally licensed DVD Players, Sun's
StarOffice, Win4Lin Pro, CodeWeavers' CrossoverOffice, TransGaming's
Cedega, as well as numerous other commercial software applications from
various categories including, media playback, personal and business
productivity, finances, virtualization, development tools and games.
CNR will also allow users quick access to multimedia codecs and
hardware drivers, bringing one-click support for MP3, Windows Media,
Quick Time, Java, Flash, ATI and nVidia graphics, and so on.
  
  
The new CNR.com web site is now active with an informational
placeholder where users can learn more about the plans for the
multi-distribution CNR. There you will find an extensive FAQ (http://cnr.com/faq), screenshots of the
soon-to-be released CNR Warehouse (http://cnr.com/screenshots),
and a forum to discuss the future of CNR with other interested parties (http://cnr.com/forum.)
  
  
  About CNR ("Click 'N Run") 
  
  
CNR, short for “Click 'N Run,” is a technology developed by Linspire,
Inc., which allows desktop Linux users to find, install, uninstall,
manage, and keep updated thousands of software programs on their Linux
computers, all with just one click.
Users also get a powerful way to manage their entire software library,
with advanced features, such as customizable "aisles" where you can
i

Re: [yoper-dev] personal summary of irc meeting for the upcoming stableyoper release

2007-01-21 Thread Walter Hieber

Hey guys. Recent changes may allow me more time to participate. Only
time will tell. Here is something that will help us but its written for
Ubuntu. Maybe we can customize it for Yoper needs. I haven't looked at
the code so I'm really not sure.  Its a ATI/Nvidia installer tool that
does quite a bit. Its written in python.

"Envy" is a command line application for Ubuntu Linux written in Python
which will:
1) detect the model of your graphic card (ATI and Nvidia cards are
supported)
2) download the right version of the proprietary driver for your ATI or
Nvidia card from ATI or Nvidia's websites
3) handle the dependencies (compilers, OpenGL, etc.) required to build
the module
4) install the driver
5) set up your xorg.conf (i.e. the configuration file of the Xserver)
for you
6) restart the Xserver for you (if you wish so)


http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html

Hopefully more available soon,
Walter




Carlos López wrote:
> Hi guys! I am happy the final release is closer. This means two
> things. On the hand all the users, which are a lot, waiting for the
> Yoper release will thank us a lot. On the other hand, the Yoper team
> needs to get especially involved in the advance stage. Thus, I'll put
> my little contribution by finishing all the multimedia apps I have
> been working in since almost one month ago and start testing the
> current and forcoming ISOs. I will also try to give my point of view
> about things that need improvement so the are suitable for a desktop
> user. I'll do more things if time let me do them, but I can't promise
> anything else. Yet, I will do my best, really.
>
> I think the effort is well worth.
>
> Yoper rocks! ;-)
>
> PS: I hope my partner does not break up after this... :-D
>
>
>> From: "Tobias Gerschner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Yoper Development List" 
>> Subject: [yoper-dev] personal summary of irc meeting for the upcoming
>> stableyoper release
>> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:39:08 +1300
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> here is a quick summary of the recent IRC Meeting about the upcoming
>> stable release. Happy to see people taking interest and giving input
>> and contribute !
>>
>> The main information page for the upcoming release is :
>> http://www.yoper.com/wiki/index.php?title=ISO_completion_-_Ilmenite_Edition
>>
>> .
>>
>> The public beta shall be finished by 26th of Feb 2007 . So whatever we
>> want to do , we should ask ourself ' are we able to finish it by that
>> day'. After that we really need to focus on tidying up.
>>
>> The following is a list of things that were offered / agreed to
>> achieve. I may have misunderstood things or just missed them. If so,
>> please don't be offended and just correct me. The order is
>> chronologic, means follows the flow of the discussion.
>>
>>
>> Petter:
>>
>> - starts maintaining the xfce desktops look and feel.
>> - tobias supports to package additional packages upon request of
>> petter as well as modifying existing packages to meet the wishes of
>> the 'xfce desktop design team'
>>
>> Questions that Petter wants to be publically discussed:
>> - A software selection with QT programs. Any suggestions?
>> - Adding scripts for automatic shortcut/menu modifications. Where
>> would YOU like the menu and shortcuts to be available?
>> - Graphical profile, colors etc
>> - Do we actually have any finished configtools?
>> - How close to windows should we make keyboard shortcuts and stuff?
>>
>> Tobias: improve yis to allow even more customization for creating your
>> own yoper cd
>>
>> anyone,
>>
>> - get more people involved for preparing the final release
>> - need testers and people willing to provide configurations for yoper
>> user desktop
>>
>>
>> Kernowyon:
>> - test gaming requirements - wine , winex , sdl work close together
>> with tobias to make sure everything is available and maybe even
>> installable during initial setup
>>
>> ( kernowyon : for my needs, I require sdl - thats what gamers need,
>> plus 3d acceleration - either with the nvidia/ati drivers in the
>> release or easily installable
>>
>> Tobias:- improve xorg.conf generation for 3d effects
>>
>> Anyone: - testing testing testing
>> Tobias:- get wine and winex done
>>
>> anyone:
>> - test well known apps in wine and games in winex (
>> http://www.americasarmy.com/ )
>>
>> melideux&tobias:
>> - sort nvidia driver concept and get all drivers into the repos (
>> 7184, 9631 , 9742 )
>>
>> musikolo&tobias:
>> - finish and merge multimedia efforts into rocketfuel
>>
>>
>> Anyone:
>> - changes to packages that would affect other packages are only
>> allowed till 3rd Feb
>> - it is still ok to get totally new packages into rocketfuel as long
>> as they do not affect other packages Requires / BuildRequires
>> - any new package has to go through the regular package lifecycle as
>> in the wiki
>>
>> tobias:
>> - trying OOo 2.1 without Java
>> - improve installer according to To Do List
>>
>> anyone:
>> - identify areas of improvements for yoper user e

Re: [yoper-dev] IRC Discussion scheduled for SAT 21st of January 2007 , 10 p.m. CET

2007-01-19 Thread Walter Hieber

I will try to attend but I have already made plans to be Kayaking so its 
possible I won't make it. I will try to leave xchat open so I can read 
the chat later.

Walter

Tobias Gerschner wrote:


Hi,


We'd like to invite anyone to participate and contribute in an open
discussion of the upcoming stable Yoper release.

A preliminary agenda can be found here :
http://www.yoper.com/wiki/index.php?title=To_Do_for_upcoming_version

The meeting is scheduled for SAT 21st of January 2007 , 10 p.m. CET .
If you don't know what that means for you, check here :
http://www.worldtimeserver.com .

If you'd like to checkout the latest development snapshot do it here :

http://88.198.41.209/build/YOS-WEEKLY-2007-03-slim.iso

Feedback is very vital at this stage. In order to improve Yoper we
need constant feedback. So please check that ISO out and if you have
the time to stop by in the meeting and help us making Your Operating
System better.

regards




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Re: [yoper-dev] Next Development ISO is available

2006-12-27 Thread Walter Hieber

Great news Tobias! What an excellent Christmas present. I hope that I 
can find the time to install it soon.


Walter

Tobias Gerschner wrote:


Hi,

I am very happy to present the next development version, available for
daring testers. This is not yet a development release ready for
distrowatch. The purpose of this release is to get first testing one a
broader range of different system setups done.

This snapshot is only available here :
http://88.198.41.209/build/YOS-2.92-007.iso , md5sum is
db7555a1c3c181d8c0c6d5c9dcb3ce8b

The packages available in this release are xorg 7.2 rc3 + cherry
picked changes from the xorg gitweb. Furthermore KDE 3.5.5, Firefox
2.0.0.1 , amarok 1.4.4 and a lot more up-to-date applications are
available.

The Yoper Installer underwent some redesigning and should now handle a
lot more system setups (oreomasta :wink:). Furthermore you actually
can confirm your choices in one final step before applying the changes
to your system. The default bootloader is grub. The grub / xfs issue
got adressed but is not finally solved. There is an hack / workaround
to allow installation of grub. It worked here in 50 % an 5 testing
systems. The installer will automatically fall back to lilo after 3
failed attempts to install grub.  You may still succeed to install
grub manually after installation.

New Setup Procedure : The installer will - in a first step - install a
base system only. After reboot you proceed with the configuration part
and the actual package installation. So keep your CD close to you
after rebooting!

Personally I consider the installer to be far more mature then the
previous version. Also Yoper made a big step forward and we have more
and more packagers sharing the workload. A big thanks goes to
lordtweety aka Kaneri Warren for providing such great support during
the upgrade to xorg 7.2. .

So please anybody feel free to participate in testing this idea. It is
now your turn to provide us with feedback and suggestions to make the
installation procedure and Yoper better.



Your Yoper Team


Please find attached the known issues:

Installer:

- The Yoper Installer will install the bootloader into the MBR of the
same hard disc as where you have your root partition.
- The Yoper Installer does not yet update the packages during the
installation. This means you might find more and more updates
immediately after installation, the older this snapshot gets. It is
planned to allow up-to-date installation of packages.
- English / Spelling Errors etc. , there has been no proper spellcheck 
yet


Yoper:

Release Blockers:

- The ISO comes without ppp / rp-pppoe support , While the packages in
general are available I can't test this nor do I know how to set it up
in the installer. Therefore we need someone being able to install ppp
/ rp-pppoe and share his experience as well as testing support to get
this working on the installation cd as well.
- The version of Xorg included is not a final release and in fact
there are versions of Xorg 7.3 included. The only side effects are a
few very uncommon drivers not being available in this snapshot.
- Neither koffice nor openoffice are available.
- There is no graphical concept nor a concept for a Yoper Desktop
- The file-associations for the default Yoper applications needs to be
configured and packaged to work 'out of the box'

Other Stuff:

- Xgl not easily enabled , to be looked into
- grub has currently an image I copied and pasted from 2 previous
Yoper contributions in the forum. But it looks very bad with 16
colors. For the future I'd like to go with that :
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7716/yoperscreenoddiidotcomvud4.jpg
So we could use all 14 colours on different reds. Any input welcome. I
leave that decision to the team or anyone willing to take over the
graphical stuff.

regards




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[yoper-dev] Yoperstuff as a blog

2006-12-14 Thread Walter Hieber

You know every once in a while I read something and just want to voice my
thoughts. If you ever find yourself in those shoes let me remind you that
Yoperstuff.com is still available for you to get it off your chest. Consider
this an open invite for your own blog ideas. Don't worry if you think that
others may have a different opinion just use it to get your thoughts off
your chest.

If you want an account to write anything related to Linux or Yoper or Open
source or anything related just e-mail me and you can have your voice out
there saying what ever is on your mind.
Walter




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[yoper-dev] Very cool site with images of various linux installs

2006-12-14 Thread Walter Hieber

http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php

Just thought you might find it pretty cool. 
Walter

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Re: [yoper-dev] Yoperstuff.com domain question

2006-10-31 Thread Walter Hieber





I like the joomla and I maybe able to help with the logo. Looks good
I've been very silent since my web store has been teaming with new
customers and all evenings are committed to answering e-mails and
adding products. I actually have had to hire a guy to help with the
data entry. I went ahead and re-enrolled the domain for another year
just in case my time became available to work on it again. I don't mind
paying for it and holding it in the event that we need it for something
plus it helps with SEO for my web store. If no one minds I may use it
for my web store as a backup server and for SEO. I know I can because I
pay for it but I don't want to do anything with it that will irritate
the team since it was originally obtained with the team in mind. Just
know that it's available to be used in the event that you guys invent a
good use for it. Who knows if I have enough business capital available
when the next release of the Yoper 3.0 stable is released than maybe I
can manufacture some products like shirts and such and sell them there
and donate a large portion to the Yoper project which was at one time
the main goal of Yoperstuff.com 

So Tobias when the time comes you can count on me to furnish your
hosting cost at the very least with Yoperstuff.com proceeds and maybe
more once we release a stable version.

Best Regards, Walter


Miller, Reid A. wrote:

  Yoper Devs,

This is a really old thread so I'll summerize instead of inline posting.
Walter generously purchased the domain Yoperstuff.com for a news source to
benefit the Yoper community. The domain name expires in October and he was
wondering if he should continue to pay for the domain name.

As some may know the website has been "under development" by myself for a
while. You can preview it at http://www.yoper.com/joomla where I'm building
it out (yes I know it's rough in IE6, and the logo looks messed up in every
browser). My main point is that I've moved over all the news content from
the Yoperstuff.com domain so we can gracefully loose that domain.

The new main yoper.com site will be managed under Joommla, just like
Yoperstuff.com was. It will have its own news portal as a part of that CMS.
You can see this taking place at the building area. The main point of this
email is that the Yoperstuff.com content has been saved. Additionally, if
anyone knowledgable about web design is interested in helping out with the
new Yoper website speak up. I could use an extra hand ;)

Patience is a virtue, the new site will be done eventually :)

--Reid Miller
(oreo_masta)


-Original Message-
From: Tobias Gerschner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tue 9/12/2006 1:23 PM
To: Yoper Development List
Subject: Re: [yoper-dev] Yoperstuff.com domain question
 
2006/9/12, Walter Hieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  
  
Hi guys. I'm glad to see the recent activity in the team and hope that I
can return to full activity again in the future. In the mean time I have
a question: The domain yoperstuff.com is set to expire soon and I would
like to know if the team sees using it of any value?. I started to add
content but as you know my web store www.thepumpbox.com and the business
that I operate from it have been consuming all my time. Its not very
expensive to keep it going $4.95/month but if we don't really have any
use for it than maybe I will let it expire.

If we want to set it up as a web store I can certainly be of service
since after running the www.thepumpbox.com site I have plenty of
experience with it.
Thanks guys. Let me know what you think.
Best Regards, Walter

  
  
Hi,

Walter, yeah summer seems to be over in the crowded places on earth .
At the end of the world the spring is starting :) .

in my opinion we could easily handle a shop using existing domains. 5
USD a month is still money. About setting up a shop. First and
foremost we need someone willing and able to setup and maintain an
online shop. My to do list is way to long for that.

With Reid's recent work on Joomla, there might be also a chance of far
easier integration of a small scale online shop. Reid, what do you
think ?

regards

  




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Re: [yoper-dev] meeting

2006-09-28 Thread Walter Hieber

Tobias Gerschner wrote:
> 2006/9/27, Tobias Gerschner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> 2006/9/26, petter k <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > I was thinking that its about time for a new meeting and Tobias
>> seemed to
>> > agree. But to get a good meeting
>> > we need to figure out a good time to have it. Tobias does not have
>> > broadband at home so it would be best for
>> > him if we could do it during the week. Early monday morning for him
>> equals
>> > sunday evening in Europe, will
>> > that work for the rest of you?
>> >
>> > We could also need some key points to talk about during the
>> meeting, any
>> > suggestions?
>>
>> We need a helluva guide for the buildserver. Most information about
>> internals has to be written by me. But about usage and workflows other
>> packagers could assist. I'd like to discuss that to get a proper guide
>> for new people joining the effort.
>>
>> regards
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> so what about the meeting? Seems like the majority is actually not
> interested to have one.
>
> I am going to be at work for another 6 hours. Than I am off the
> internet for the rest of this week.
>
> regards
>
I just joined on any one there?
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Re: [yoper-dev] leaving gnome in /usr

2006-09-25 Thread Walter Hieber





I've been using gnome for about 1 week now and at first I didn't like
it but now I think I prefer some of how it works better than how KDE
does. I still miss many KDE features but find that having both is
really the best way to go. I don't find that gnome is as easy to
configure and alter but once you get past that point it doesn't really
matter. Its the right step Tobias. Thanks, 
Walter


Chakkaradeep C C wrote:
Hi Tobias,
  
  On 9/25/06, Tobias Gerschner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
  Hi,

If you feel it's the wrong step, please tell me.
   
  I personally feel if Yoper moves to Gnome, it will be really
really fast and also with Gnome, I can see good development going on in
terms of Desktop.I am happy about it.
   
  KDE is always an option :)
   
  But, just my thoughts.. :D
  
  regards

--
Tobias Gerschner
Member of Board of Yoper Linux Ltd. NZ

Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must
do.

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Regards,
C.C.Chakkaradeep,
Novatium Solutions Limited,Chennai.
  http://chakkaradeep.livejournal.com
  http://www.yoper.com
  http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Freespire_Community_Board_Home
  
  
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something can't be done. I didnt ask for permission or approval. I just
went ahead and did it."  - from "Direct from Dell"
  

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[yoper-dev] Yoperstuff.com domain question

2006-09-12 Thread Walter Hieber

Hi guys. I'm glad to see the recent activity in the team and hope that I 
can return to full activity again in the future. In the mean time I have 
a question: The domain yoperstuff.com is set to expire soon and I would 
like to know if the team sees using it of any value?. I started to add 
content but as you know my web store www.thepumpbox.com and the business 
that I operate from it have been consuming all my time. Its not very 
expensive to keep it going $4.95/month but if we don't really have any 
use for it than maybe I will let it expire.


If we want to set it up as a web store I can certainly be of service 
since after running the www.thepumpbox.com site I have plenty of 
experience with it.

Thanks guys. Let me know what you think.
Best Regards, Walter

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Re: [yoper-dev] New Wiki Layout!

2006-08-14 Thread Walter Hieber


VERY NICE I LIKE IT!

Chakkaradeep C C wrote:


Hi all,

Well, I just gave Reid hint regarding Freespire Wiki - 
http://wiki.freespire.org and I can see Reid brought that good looking 
stuff back to Yoper too :)thats nice to seethanks Reid :)


--
Regards,
C.C.Chakkaradeep,
Novatium Solutions Limited,Chennai.
http://chakkaradeep.livejournal.com/
http://www.yoper.com
http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Freespire_Community_Board_Home

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you something can't be done. I didnt ask for permission or approval. I 
just went ahead and did it."  - from "Direct from Dell"




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[yoper-dev] A new yoperist has arrived.

2006-08-02 Thread Walter Hieber


Last night at 9:59 My second daughter was born. 7 lbs 3 onces, 18 inches
long Another Yoperist in the making.

Best regards to all
Walter


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[yoper-dev] Just a friendly Greetings to all the Yopers out there

2006-07-23 Thread Walter Hieber

I hadn't said much in a quite a while just wanted to say hello to all. I've
been rather busy with life in general as I am sure the rest of you all are.
I hope everyone is doing well.

Walter

Walter C. Hieber III
Director of Technical Operations

www.thepumpbox.com
P I B, Inc.
P.O. Box 2484
Eaton Park, FL 33840-2484
Fax/Phone: (813) 234-6368


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[yoper-dev] I have an idea that I want to bounce across you all

2006-06-22 Thread Walter Hieber

Nothing other than this idea has happened so far. I was brain storming about a 
potential method to bring a little more order to the open source world the idea 
is an Open Source Currency and the unit of Currency is the Yoper.
Read below if you are interested. I have not yet setup a Forum at Yoperstuff 
but do plan on it as soon as I can if this idea stirs any interest in the Open 
Source Community.
You heard it here first!

The Linux Currency for all open source projects- the Yoper
The Yoper is a unit of currency that can be traded and used as a unit of value 
for trading, voting, and supporting, contributed open source works, 
applications, or actual real physical property.

Members of the Open Source community such as developers, contributors, users, 
and any participant can open a Yoper account and begin participating in the 
exchange. To obtain a Yoper account a user must either sign up and pay $10.00 
to establish the Yoper account or have a recognized Open Source project that 
has been submitted for review and approval by the Yoper Reserve. The member 
then gets Y10 added to the account and can immediately begin using their Yopers 
to make purchases, cast votes, donate to projects, or purchase real items such 
as memberships, merchandise, Skype calls, mp3 downloads, etc or any other type 
of transaction that people want to setup trade for. 

Each Yoper Account member will have a unique PGP key that is part of the 
transaction mechanism that will function as an account routing tool. When a 
contributing member signs up for an account and uses an open source 
contribution then the Yoper Reserve will evaluate the project and set an 
estimated contribution value (ECV). The ECV is the total amount of Yoper that 
the project is worth in Yoper and then a “per use” suggested donation amount 
(SDA).  

For example lets say that an account holder produces a project called MyMed. 
MyMed is a program to keep track of your medications and medical records. The 
project is submitted for review and the Yoper Reserve by way of votes, and 
evaluation rubrics estimates that the Project is worth a total of Y5,000.00 The 
Yoper Reserve will grant Y5,000 to the creators account and provide the project 
with a Yoper Donation Slot which is nothing more than a secure link to make a 
Yoper donation contribution similar to making a paypal payment with the 
suggested donation amount. Users can offer more per use or decide not to pay at 
all. The use will simply strengthen the Open Source movement and pressure 
should be exerted to influence users to participate in the exchange for the 
good of open source. 

The Yoper will be accessed via online transactions so open source participant 
members can provide a link in the signature lines on forums, or in e-mail 
signatures and people can donate to each other freely for aid and assistance. 

The possibilities are endless and efforts to involve all the contributing 
members of established Linux projects and Linux supporting companies should be 
involved prior to the first day launch of the Yoper Currency System. If you 
would like to Join the discussion of this concept please visit Yoperstuff.com 
and visit the Yoper Open Source Currency forum to share your views.

Walter C. Hieber III


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RE: [yoper-dev] Yoperstuff development for Yoper.com beta

2006-06-02 Thread Walter Hieber

Great public it is!
Walter

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tobias Gerschner
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 8:15 PM
To: yoper-dev - open minded discussion
Subject: Re: [yoper-dev] Yoperstuff development for Yoper.com beta

Hi,

despite being rather quiet with replying I am heavily interested
what's going on so my vote goes for leave it public. So the chances
that somebody joins the work is better anyway.

cheers

-- 
Tobias Gerschner
Member of Board of Yoper Ltd. NZ

Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do.
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Re: [yoper-dev] Yoperstuff development for Yoper.com beta

2006-06-02 Thread Walter Hieber

Chaks, and Reid. You guys both have admin status on Yoperstuff.com I 
just wanted you both to know that you can feel free to modify, add or 
remove anything that you see there. I am working on building the 
developers screenshots page but would like some help on incorporating 
the Gallery modules since it seems a lot more complex than the gallery I 
was building. I can use either so it's no big deal which ever we chose.


Hope you all are doing well.
Also Chaks, I really liked the xfce site. That looks great. I wiould 
love to have ours look like that.

Walter


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RE: [yoper-dev] maybe interisting

2006-05-30 Thread Walter Hieber




Are 
you sure. When you install via klik you get a cmg file which contains its own 
file system and you can have this in any user space but than again maybe it 
won't fit into the userspace approach. However, I must say I was pretty 
impressed with it last night when I used it to install several applications that 
we didn't have in the repository and it worked quickly and without errors. 

Walter

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Chakkaradeep C 
  CSent: Monday, May 29, 2006 10:44 PMTo: yoper-dev - open 
  minded discussionSubject: Re: [yoper-dev] maybe 
  interistingHi Walter and all,
  On 5/30/06, Walter 
  Hieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  


One that you didn't mention 
is Klik. --> http://klik.atekon.de/
  Well,my ideas were concentrating more on bringing in a User Space 
  Installation rather than single click installations :) , so taken that case, 
  Klik wont fit into this.
  


Same thing and it has a lot 
of recent development. Works like Mac OSX. I have installed in on Yoper in 
the past but hasn't worked for me yet. I haven't really tried to make it 
work though. 
Walter

  
  -Original 
  Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
  Chakkaradeep C CSent: Monday, May 29, 2006 1:50 
  PMTo: yoper-dev - open minded 
  discussion
  Subject: Re: [yoper-dev] maybe 
  interisting
  
Hi all,

well, its time to tell about my idea as zero install as come into 
picture :), thanks arnulf some of my ideas are,1) User 
installing apps in his user-space area (using zero-conf,autopackage,openpkg 
etc.,)2) Having a common platform for installing third party 
software tools (using autopackage,openpkg). This would enable us to maintain 
a desktop standard for apps.Let me explain, We develop yoper, have 
the core . The third party softwares are those which are not developed by 
Yoper, like Firefox,xmms etc., We package these where it will install in a 
common platform in Yoper and will be specific to user/all users. This also 
helps us to manage the core in a easier manner.3) The above two 
points will enable a user to install appliacations and need not be a root to 
install. This installation will be totally done in his own user-space area. 
The key point to be noted here would be, making installable files 
relocatable. 4) There are many apps which are too big and come with 
various options. For example, OpenOffice is huge, has many addons 
available,comes out in different languages etc., . What we can do is, bundle 
them with an installer which asks the user on series of questions , like, 
what Oo package he wants to install, what language packs he wants to install 
etc., The User feels lot more easier when he has what he needs 
rather giving all to him and telling, "You can also remove apps by using 
smart". Make options open, we get users coming to us.Another note - 
My ideas may seem to be similar to Windows (i feel it is not :-o) ). No, 
they are not. If you forget Windows and then re-read, you will find them as 
some of the basic needs what a normal user would want.Currently 
three projects called ZeroInstall,AutoPackage,OpenPkg can help 
us to bring in the user installation. The comparison chart with other 
systems can be found here --> http://zero-install.sourceforge.net/matrix.htmlThe 
Zero Install system makes software installation not merely easy but 
unnecessary. Users run their applications directly from the Internet from 
the software author's pages. Caching makes this as fast as running a normal 
application after the first time and allows off-line use.So , it is nothing 
but network file system from which we run file systems.This can be seen as 
its advantage as well as disadvantage.Suppose, i click on firefox, the user 
has to wait until firefox gets downloaded into user's cache and then only he 
can use. Once the application is in the User's cache, it is nothing but 
installed.This would be good if the download speed is good and, where dial 
up are been used, this would fail. Another advantage of using ZeroInstall 
is, they allow use of Digital Signatures. It has good security features, 
here is the link http://zero-install.sourceforge.net/...-security.html 
With Autopackage ( http://autopackage.org/ ), 
when i interacted with the people in their IRC Network, they told that if 
the application has relocatable files ( i really dont have idea becoz, i 
have some confusion regarding whether system files should be relocatable or 
application's files) and packaged in that way, users will have the ability 
to install applications.Here , with Autopack

RE: [yoper-dev] maybe interisting

2006-05-29 Thread Walter Hieber

Wow. I
just used klik and it worked in Yoper! Using deb files?! Wow hat was fast!! You
have got to try this.
Walter

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Chakkaradeep C
CSent: Monday, May 29, 2006 1:50 PMTo: yoper-dev - open
minded discussionSubject: Re: [yoper-dev] maybe
interistingHi all,

well, its time to tell about my idea as zero install as come into picture
:), thanks arnulf some of my ideas are,1) User installing
apps in his user-space area (using zero-conf,autopackage,openpkg
etc.,)2) Having a common platform for installing third party software
tools (using autopackage,openpkg). This would enable us to maintain a desktop
standard for apps.Let me explain, We develop yoper, have the core .
The third party softwares are those which are not developed by Yoper, like
Firefox,xmms etc., We package these where it will install in a common platform
in Yoper and will be specific to user/all users. This also helps us to manage
the core in a easier manner.3) The above two points will enable a user
to install appliacations and need not be a root to install. This installation
will be totally done in his own user-space area. The key point to be noted
here would be, making installable files relocatable. 4) There are many
apps which are too big and come with various options. For example, OpenOffice
is huge, has many addons available,comes out in different languages etc., .
What we can do is, bundle them with an installer which asks the user on series
of questions , like, what Oo package he wants to install, what language packs
he wants to install etc., The User feels lot more easier when he has
what he needs rather giving all to him and telling, "You can also remove apps
by using smart". Make options open, we get users coming to us.Another
note - My ideas may seem to be similar to Windows (i feel it is not :-o) ).
No, they are not. If you forget Windows and then re-read, you will find them
as some of the basic needs what a normal user would want.Currently
three projects called ZeroInstall,AutoPackage,OpenPkg can help
us to bring in the user installation. The comparison chart with other systems
can be found here --> http://zero-install.sourceforge.net/matrix.htmlThe
Zero Install system makes software installation not merely easy but
unnecessary. Users run their applications directly from the Internet from the
software author's pages. Caching makes this as fast as running a normal
application after the first time and allows off-line use.So , it is nothing
but network file system from which we run file systems.This can be seen as its
advantage as well as disadvantage.Suppose, i click on firefox, the user has to
wait until firefox gets downloaded into user's cache and then only he can use.
Once the application is in the User's cache, it is nothing but installed.This
would be good if the download speed is good and, where dial up are been used,
this would fail. Another advantage of using ZeroInstall is, they allow use of
Digital Signatures. It has good security features, here is the link http://zero-install.sourceforge.net/...-security.htmlWith
Autopackage ( http://autopackage.org/ ), when i interacted with the people
in their IRC Network, they told that if the application has relocatable files
( i really dont have idea becoz, i have some confusion regarding whether
system files should be relocatable or application's files) and packaged in
that way, users will have the ability to install applications.Here , with
Autopackage,they havent brought in the Security Features as we have in
ZeroInstall. The OpenPkg system, i just encountered with this and saw
their presentation here -- http://www.openpkg.org/documentation...ation/openpkg/ . The
way they explain what is OpenPkg seems to be promising , but am unsure whether
this would help us to bring in our concept.The OpenPkg architecture is really
promising.It also forms an easy way of installing RPM apps.So if it doesnt fit
into our User Space installation, we could easily convert RPMs to an easy
installable medium using OpenPkg.One such company which uses is www.spikesource.orgI havent
tried anything yet , however i just collect details regarding
these.any comments are welcome :) as usual :)--
Regards,C.C.Chakkaradeep,Novatium Solutions Limited,Chennai.http://www.novatium.comhttp://www.yoper.com--"Sometimes
it's better not to ask - or to listen - when people tell you something can't
be done. I didnt ask for permission or approval. I just went ahead and did
it." - from "Direct from Dell"
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RE: [yoper-dev] maybe interisting

2006-05-29 Thread Walter Hieber

One
that you didn't mention is Klik. --> http://klik.atekon.de/
Same
thing and it has a lot of recent development. Works like Mac OSX. I have
installed in on Yoper in the past but hasn't worked for me yet. I haven't really
tried to make it work though.
Walter

RE: [yoper-dev] Yoperstuff update delayed due to session cookies

2006-05-29 Thread Walter Hieber


I already have Chaks photos and have informed Chaks about the e-mail size
problem. Anyone else that is ready to send me your shots let me know and I
can either provide you a method to upload them or you can e-mail direct to
me not the list please.
Thanks,
Walter
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of mark
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 8:45 PM
To: yoper-dev - open minded discussion
Subject: Re: [yoper-dev] Yoperstuff update delayed due to session
cookies


On Monday 29 May 2006 16:58, Chakkaradeep C C wrote:
> Hi Walter and all,
>
> On 5/29/06, Walter Hieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > For this up coming week I have a challenge for the group.
> >
> > Well its not really much of a challenge but I would like for each of you
> > to
> > send me a screen shot of your desktop. I would like for you to list the
> > font, the windeco, and any other features that you have on your desktop
> > that
> > you think are of interest. I will be building a screenshot gallery at
> > yoperstuff.com so that we can see what the devs of the Yoper world Yoper
> > Desktops look like.
> >
> > Also, at some point I would like to have a digital photo of a head shot
> > of all the developers. I know that you all may not want to share this so
> > don't
> > feel obligated but I think that it does help to give Yoper a human touch
> > when you see the people who are behind the coolest Linux distro in the
> > World.
> > Thanks,
> > Walter
>
> Here are my screenshots...hope everybody enjoy... :)
>


Chaks,

25 megs of emails
I think it would be easier to ftp it to somewhere on the web rather than
email
that quantity. It takes ages to download for me - and some on the list are
only on dial up.

Mark

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RE: [yoper-dev] maybe interisting

2006-05-29 Thread Walter Hieber

I think its very cool lets try it. I wonder how it compares to klick? Nice
find Arnulf. Have you built it or installed it yet?
Walter

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Moin,
take a look at this site:
http://0install.org
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RE: [yoper-dev] Yoperstuff update delayed due to session cookies

2006-05-29 Thread Walter Hieber

Hey Reid and all.
 I had already built as an experimental screenshot display which I have
turned on just to get your review and opinion concerning. Its currently
turned on at the Yoperstuff.com main menu under the title SCREENSHOTS. I am
not opossed to using the joomla gallery but have a look at the one I built
just so you have seen the option. The border color can be further fine tuned
to match the current colors if you all think it needs it. Let me know. 

Reid, not that an invitation is needed but Reid if you feel so inclined I
would love it if you would help me in admining Yoperstuff as well. 
Walter

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Yoper Devs,

I agree that getting the Yoperstuff.com layout on the main Yoper.com website
is a great idea. I am currently working on some contracted work that entails
heavy incorporation of Joomla, its extensions, and other neat stuff into a
website. I think for the photos thing mentioned below, and maybe even the
screenshots section. The Gallery2 extension to Joomla would be a good idea:

http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,viewlink/link_i
d,137/Itemid,35/

I've incorparted it into the site I'm working on now and I like it alot.
Walter, do you think I could have a week or a week and a half on the
Yoperstuff.com site? I'd like to see if I can manipulate that header for our
forums and bugtracker. Or just the source code for the theme would be
sufficient I think :) although being able to play with it on Yoperstuff.com
would be prefered. Anyway, just send me a personal email (
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) with what you think.

Time to stop talking about the changeover and just do it ;) Implementing the
aforementioned does not change the long-term plan though. I think there
could still be a lot of good in planning the horizontal main menus and the
vertical sub-sections to the site. (Or that's how I picture it at least.)
I'll start a wiki section for input on it tomorrow. 

--Reid Miller

PS: Sorry for top-posting :p



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For this up coming week I have a challenge for the group.

Well its not really much of a challenge but I would like for each of you to
send me a screen shot of your desktop. I would like for you to list the
font, the windeco, and any other features that you have on your desktop that
you think are of interest. I will be building a screenshot gallery at
yoperstuff.com so that we can see what the devs of the Yoper world Yoper
Desktops look like.

Also, at some point I would like to have a digital photo of a head shot of
all the developers. I know that you all may not want to share this so don't
feel obligated but I think that it does help to give Yoper a human touch
when you see the people who are behind the coolest Linux distro in the
World.
Thanks,
Walter


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RE: [yoper-dev] Yoperstuff update delayed due to session cookies

2006-05-28 Thread Walter Hieber

For this up coming week I have a challenge for the group.

Well its not really much of a challenge but I would like for each of you to
send me a screen shot of your desktop. I would like for you to list the
font, the windeco, and any other features that you have on your desktop that
you think are of interest. I will be building a screenshot gallery at
yoperstuff.com so that we can see what the devs of the Yoper world Yoper
Desktops look like.

Also, at some point I would like to have a digital photo of a head shot of
all the developers. I know that you all may not want to share this so don't
feel obligated but I think that it does help to give Yoper a human touch
when you see the people who are behind the coolest Linux distro in the
World.
Thanks,
Walter


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RE: [yoper-dev] Yoperstuff update delayed due to session cookies

2006-05-28 Thread Walter Hieber

It's not hard at all if we all feel like that is the best way to procede.
I'll back it up and we can load it on yoper.com web server. We just need one
mysql database and place the joomla cms it at the root of yoper.com web
server. Like Tobias said I don't want to step on any toes. If the current
developers of Yoper.com want to modify every inch of the yoperstuff.com
design and content that I have created it will be fine with me. I really
started this as a tool for all of us not just for me. If you want to start
from scratch I will not be offended either. Also if the group wants to use
my yoperstuff site as a beta in preparation for the fresh roll out the new
Yoper.com that will also be fine with me. Like I said before this is all of
ours not just mine. I just happen to pay the bill, which I will for as long
as I need to.
Walter

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2006/5/29, Walter Hieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Okay, the simplified review of this week has been updated at
Yoperstuff.com.
> If you feel like you would like to add or comment on the review please do
so
> directly to my e-mail and not the dev-mailing list. Part of my hopes for
> Yoperstuff is to reduce the amount of e-mail traffic on the dev list so we
> can use it for real announcments and devlopment.
> Thanks,
> Walter

Hi,

to all webdevs a simple question. How easy is it to get the yoperstuff
crm setup as www.yoper.com main page? I know that there is a longterm
overhaul preplanned but that's going to take a while.

I find it personally distracting to have yoperstuff.com with recent
news and actually our current yoper.com news site isn't really
state-of-the-art. So it just seems natural to me, to get this crm to
yoper.com. Hope I do not step on any toes ;) .

cheers

--
Tobias Gerschner
Member of Board of Yoper Ltd. NZ

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RE: [yoper-dev] Yoperstuff update delayed due to session cookies

2006-05-28 Thread Walter Hieber

Okay, the simplified review of this week has been updated at Yoperstuff.com.
If you feel like you would like to add or comment on the review please do so
directly to my e-mail and not the dev-mailing list. Part of my hopes for
Yoperstuff is to reduce the amount of e-mail traffic on the dev list so we
can use it for real announcments and devlopment.
Thanks,
Walter

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Dear Team,
This morning I woke up inspired to write about Yoper and update the team
with a fresh story on Yoperstuff pertaining to the active week we have had,
but I lost track of time and after writting for about an hour and refining
it 4 times I went to save it and lost the entire thing due to session
cookies expiring. Ouch! I started to write again but lost the drive after
the frustration with the accident. I have started again to write the weeek
update but since I am also painting and moving furniture around I doubt I
will have it finished tonight. I may be able to finish tommorow night so I
will update you all when the Weekly Yoper Update is published at Yoperstuff.
If you have any items that you want to make sure get commented on please
send me either raw or edited material and I will include your stories. Or if
you want to be an editor and add your own contact let me or Chaks know and
we will add author status to your user account at Yoperstuff.

Walter
Yoper Ltd.


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[yoper-dev] Yoperstuff update delayed due to session cookies

2006-05-27 Thread Walter Hieber

Dear Team,
This morning I woke up inspired to write about Yoper and update the team
with a fresh story on Yoperstuff pertaining to the active week we have had,
but I lost track of time and after writting for about an hour and refining
it 4 times I went to save it and lost the entire thing due to session
cookies expiring. Ouch! I started to write again but lost the drive after
the frustration with the accident. I have started again to write the weeek
update but since I am also painting and moving furniture around I doubt I
will have it finished tonight. I may be able to finish tommorow night so I
will update you all when the Weekly Yoper Update is published at Yoperstuff.
If you have any items that you want to make sure get commented on please
send me either raw or edited material and I will include your stories. Or if
you want to be an editor and add your own contact let me or Chaks know and
we will add author status to your user account at Yoperstuff.

Walter
Yoper Ltd.


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Re: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-25 Thread Walter Hieber

I'm not Tobig or Chacks but  here is my take: although your concerns are 
valid I seriously doubt that Yoper will crumble or get pulled away by 
Andreas. I would agree that the comments by Andreas were probably bad 
form especially since the project has really grown and now many people 
contribute in many ways that hadn't happened before. I honestly don't 
think he was trying to insult anyone but rather having been around when 
almost ever comment Andreas made was perceived as being dictatorial I 
recognize this as being his way and nothing more. (I wouldn't read 
anything into it) The way Yoper is developed is slow and limited in 
resources. So there is a good chance that we won't be able to do 
everything we want right away if this means we release Tiatnium without 
xgl. Oh well. If we include it, hurray for us. It is what it is. Nothing 
more and nothing less.


Should we fork. Proabably not. Why? No real reason to. We have been 
through this discussion before many times.
Could we use some additional help? Absolutley! So David please don't 
pull out over a fear that Andreas is going to sabatage us since I am 
sure that he will not.


Should we include xgl? Yes if we can. No if we can't plain and simple.
Andreas, do you want to build xgl for us?

Walter


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I was a little concerned about this.

Is Yoper a community project with no real ownership, or are we doing this with 
the threat of Andreas pulling the Yoper name if we do not follow his wishes? 
I need to know now before devoting more time to this. I have already 
purchased a laptop (although it was a cheap one) just for this project. I 
have not spent anywhere near the time others have, however I plan on making 
significant contributions to this distro. This should be a group conscience 
decision to put in Xgl or any other technology. I wanted LVM, but was also 
told that Yoper is not ready. I am fine with that. Now that I have seen there 
is a lot of work to get the system stable, I understand why it should wait. I 
am perfectly fine at this stage walking away with no hard feelings. But if I 
spend the next year on Yoper only to have it pulled by Andreas because he 
does not like how we do things, then I will be greatly dissapointed. Maybe a 
fork is the right thing to do at this point.


Andreas, 
As far as calling it Flopper? That is bad form. You left this project. It is 
not yours any more. I understand a fondness, but if you want that kind of 
control, you should not have licensed it under the GPL. All you have is the 
name. The code can be taken and forked by anyone. I can only speak for 
myself, I was impressed with your efforts in the past and wanted to 
contribute. But, if you are going to be a dictator, then I will go elsewhere.


I am interested in hearing from chaks and TobiG on this issue.

David Huffman (bigredradio)


On Thursday 25 May 2006 02:43, Andreas Girardet wrote:
 


Folks

you know me. I am no enemy of clear words and of action.

Honestly, if the attitude of Yoper developers for Eye Candy is that back
wards, we might as well shut Yoper down. I will certainly not put my name
on the line for a distro that is:


1.) Unstable
2.) Takes ages to install
3.) Has absolutely no up to date packaging and hardly any interesting
packages (no OO!!!)
4.) Does not have the latest Eye Candy
5.) Where developers have left the ideal of taking the best of other
distro's and integrate it

Are you guys still doing Yoper or would it not be better starting your own
distro? Maybe call if Flopper?

Saying that Xgl "slows" things down is pretty laughable given the fact that
XGL actually uses the Video RAM for its Rendering (and the GPU) and that in
itself is more than what your Yoper is doing at the moment.

I feel Yoper is diverting from its path and given the fact that you
published an alpha that does not even install on standard systems (how
apalling!), I think that you should review any future release. I will
certainly have a word on anything that comes out as after all this is my
baby and I will not let my baby run like that.

Get my point?

Andreas

On 5/25/06, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   


On Thursday 25 May 2006 01:00, Tobias Gerschner wrote:
 


Hi,


is there any knowledge about slowing down systems with XGL ? Or are
these just assumptions ? I don't have reviewed this particular matter.

FYI: I am somewhat locked away in my current location because the WLAN
here got down and I have to use public machines, where I obviously
can't do much.

So, I propose we get it work before worrying. Xorg 7.1 is on the run,
and that is enough reason for me to upgrade X . Given the fact that
Yoper Development is somewhat slower than anyone of us likes we have
to upgrade the system from time to time anyway (IMHO).


cheers
   


For my part, it was an assumption :)  Even KDE slows down a PC compared
to Flux or XFCE - so the added 3d goodness of Xgl is likely to require
larger amounts of memory simply to perform the eye

Re: [yoper-dev] Yoper tools

2006-05-25 Thread Walter Hieber

The only change to add is that my scripts are written to generate a gui 
using kdialog and the functions are performed by bash. These are going 
to be all gui based not strictly command line.

Walter

pettern k wrote:


So lets see if i have got this right:

-YIS is a all in one config, installation utility written mainly in 
python/qt. Developers is chaks, tobias and jurgen.


-Yoperconf(new version) is a configuration utility probebly written in 
C++/qt. Developed by Jurgen


-Walters tools is a set of small command line tools mainly bash scripts.

-David(bigredradio) is working on some init, lvm and initrd scripts. 
He seems to like perl so i guess he is using perl.





On 5/25/06, *jelle wierdsma* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:


Hi all,

I think a meeting .. is a good idea .. i think an eye to eye with
TobiG and Chaks and Linuxuser alone .. is also a good idea .. as
language problems can sometimes lead to hurt feelings .. as people
dont understand eachother well enough ... however the outcome .. i
will respect whatever decision linuxuser makes after these
meetings ... and welcome him again to our great yoper community ..
where there is always room for more ..

Ich denke das eine meeting .. ist eine gute idee .. ich denke das
eine "augen zu augen" meeting mit TobiG, Chaks und linuxuser
allein zusammen .. ist auch eine gute idee .. weil sprache
probleme konnen ein falsches bild geben von was man sagt zu
einander .. und das beschadigt wahrscheinlich auch die gefuhle ...
weil man einander nicht gut genug versteht ... was auch passiert
.. ich wird respectieren was linuxuser wahlt nach dem meetings ..
ich begruss linuxuser wieder zu unser grossartig yoper community
.. wo ist immer mehr raum fur mehr ... excuse my poor german
linuxuser ... :)

Greetings to all ..

Regards,

Johnbon


On 5/25/06, *Chakkaradeep C C* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

Hi Walter and all,

On 5/25/06, *Walter Hieber* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

 No one else that I know of has really had much interest
in developing theses further but I will continue since
they have arisen out of need and maybe at somepoint they
can help someone else out or be incorporated into a larger
tool set?  Thats where I'm at with my tool set.
Walter


sure it is helpful for YoperConf and it will help us a
lot, you will have everything in YoperConf :)..

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]*On Behalf
Of *pettern k
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:11 PM
*To:* yoper-dev - open minded discussion
*Subject:* Re: [yoper-dev] Yoper tools

A meeting would be nice, but some info in the wiki,
forum,e-mail list or some other place is also good.
At the moment i think most of us is confused and has
no idea whats going on with the tools for yoper.


On 5/25/06, *Tobias Gerschner* <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

2006/5/25, Petter K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>:

Hi

I have been busy latly because im finishing my

bachelor degree and now i

have no idea whats going on with development of

tools for yoper.


I thought Tobias, Chaks and Jurgen was making YIS

with all tools needed

for yoper installation and configuration.
Then i think i heard walter was making some

script(might have been someone

else).
Then i bigredradio was talking about some kudzu

replacement.

And now Jurgen has started with Yoperconf.

Can anyone enlighten me?
In two weeks im done with my bachelor and ready

to help out, but when

things are this unorganized its impossible to

know where my help is needed.

Hi,

as aforementioned the WLAN is down here and paying
4 NZD per hour for
internet access is good for email checking , but
nothing else,
actually.

How about some meeting in chat on weekend to shed
light to all of us ?


cheers

--
Tobias Gerschner
Member of Board of Yoper Ltd. NZ

Know

RE: [yoper-dev] Yoper tools

2006-05-24 Thread Walter Hieber




As far 
as my yoper-utils-application tool set is concerened I build these as I need 
them and keep adding to the collection but unless someone else wants to 
elaborate them I will simply keep making them and collecting them over time and 
hopefully somone can benefit from them. So far I have one to set network 
settings: yoper-util-network, one to setup ndiswrapper: yoper-utils-ndis, one to 
create a back up of your home directory and I even found a way to make them into 
a konqueror metabar tool set so that its an avaialable Konqueror tool bar to 
pull them from. However, these are KDE specific since they are based upon 
kdialog for the gui and bash for the functionality. No one else that I know of 
has really had much interest in developing theses further but I will continue 
since they have arisen out of need and maybe at somepoint they can help someone 
else out or be incorporated into a larger tool set?  Thats where I'm at 
with my tool set.
Walter

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of pettern 
  kSent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:11 PMTo: yoper-dev - 
  open minded discussionSubject: Re: [yoper-dev] Yoper 
  toolsA meeting would be nice, but some info in the 
  wiki, forum,e-mail list or some other place is also good. At the moment i 
  think most of us is confused and has no idea whats going on with the tools for 
  yoper.
  On 5/25/06, Tobias 
  Gerschner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  2006/5/25, 
Petter K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:> 
Hi>> I have been busy latly because im finishing my bachelor 
degree and now i> have no idea whats going on with development of 
tools for yoper. >> I thought Tobias, Chaks and Jurgen was 
making YIS with all tools needed> for yoper installation and 
configuration.> Then i think i heard walter was making some 
script(might have been someone > else).> Then i bigredradio 
was talking about some kudzu replacement.> And now Jurgen has started 
with Yoperconf.>> Can anyone enlighten me?> In two 
weeks im done with my bachelor and ready to help out, but when > 
things are this unorganized its impossible to know where my help is 
needed.Hi,as aforementioned the WLAN is down here and paying 
4 NZD per hour forinternet access is good for email checking , but 
nothing else, actually.How about some meeting in chat on weekend 
to shed light to all of us ?cheers--Tobias 
GerschnerMember of Board of Yoper Ltd. NZKnowing is not enough; 
we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do. 
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RE: [yoper-dev] Java

2006-05-21 Thread Walter Hieber

Cool!

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Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 9:49 AM
To: yoper-dev@lists.yoper.com
Subject: [yoper-dev] Java

Moin,
take a look at this site.
https://jdk-distros.dev.java.net/
greets
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RE: [yoper-dev] Maybe not the right place but a simple question

2006-05-18 Thread Walter Hieber

It's
so good to see you around again.
Walter

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Andreas
GirardetSent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:26 PMTo:
yoper-dev - open minded discussionSubject: Re: [yoper-dev] Maybe
not the right place but a simple questionIf you are gone
Walter, then we might as well shut Yoper.com
down .. I understand your wonder.After all the vision is who's
used it from day one, eh.;)A.
On 5/14/06, Walter
Hieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Hey
you have to keep things interesting or you get stale I guess. I
don'ttake myself all that seriously so I certainly don't expect anyone
else to. Itend to be a very balanced person but both sides of the
fulcrum are at quite a distance.As for the Yoperstuff site. I
plan on doing a weekly review of the status ofwhats going on with Yoper.
This is something that I know I can do and hopewill benefit the entire
group. If you or anyone has any ideas that they would like to
incorporate into it let me know and I will do
it.Thanks,Walter-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Tobias GerschnerSent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 10:38 AMTo:
yoper-dev - open minded discussionSubject: Re: [yoper-dev] Maybe not the
right place but a simple question > Well what can one do but
keep on moving forward?>> WalterHi Walter,well
it was entertaining ;) wasn't it :p .cheers--Tobias
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Re: [yoper-dev] Yoperstuff.com is ready for your usage

2006-05-17 Thread Walter Hieber

I'm real busy today but let me just say that the changes look great.
Thanks,
Walter

Chakkaradeep C C wrote:

Hi,

On 5/17/06, *Miller, Reid A.* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

Yoper Devs,

First and foremost. I like the Yoperstuff page. I think it'd be a
nice spot
for developer blogs, etc. It brings to mind many ideas though:

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ready for your usage

On Wednesday 17 May 2006 17:53, Chakkaradeep C C wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> On 5/13/06, Chakkaradeep C C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:
> > Hi Walter,
> >
> > On 5/12/06, Walter Hieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> > > I have brought back the tabled Yoperstuff.com
<http://Yoperstuff.com> site to serve as a news
> > > site
> > > for Yoper Linux. I will post current issues and information
for us all
> > > to
> > > see. This way we can keep from having to use the mailing
list for
> > > updating
> > > everyone and we can all see what's going on without having
to search
> > > through
> > > a ton of e-mails. Announcements and regular news can be
posted on the
> > > Yoperstuff.com <http://Yoperstuff.com> site. We can use IRC
for team meetings, Forums for user
> > > help,
> > > the e-mail list for discussion issues when all members can
not be
> > > available.
> > > I will be the primary administrator of Yoperstuff.com
<http://Yoperstuff.com> but I will need
> > > at least one other admin so if you are inclined please raise
your hand
> > > and volunteer.

Personally, I'd like to incorporate this into the main Yoper
website. The
design we have going now is currently not serving our needs, and
it needs to
be moved over to a CMS of some sort so that it can grow nicely,
and so that
it can provide very active content to readers.

I have been busy this school year. It will be over in a day :) So
I'm sorry
for the lack of work done on the main site, but I have been silently
evaluating CMS systems. Two which I like:

Drupal 4.7 -- php_template is very nice and with enough skilled
workers
behind it, we could have a very unique customer php theme to our
site. So
despite the fact that it's powered by Drupal, it won't look like
every other
Drupal page out there. I have not done adequate research into
seeing how
well our forums and bugtracker can be encapsulated into the design.

Joomla -- As you can see from Walter's site, it can be themed
nicely to suit
our needs. I haven't looked into how well our forums or bugtracker
could be
encapsulated into this either.

phpbb forum extension for joomla available --> 
http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,viewlink/link_id,134/Itemid,35/

however, current forum rocks! (www.yoper.com/forum 
<http://www.yoper.com/forum>)

Reid, why cant we have the existing forum itself and link from CMS?

I think that a CMS is essential though. It provides easy RSS,
Drupal has
great album plugins that we could use for screenshots, existing
information
can be moved and expanded on like we want. I'd like to see things
like a
static-content install guide on the main Yoper page, not "hidden"
(people
often don't look to far) in the wiki.

> > >
> > > Walter
> > >
> > > www.yoperstuff.com <http://www.yoperstuff.com>
> >
> > The www.yoperstuff.com <http://www.yoperstuff.com> looks kewl.
If the help is not with some PHP and
> > HTML codings, and if you need help like editing (how we do in
Wiki),
> > putting datas, i can help you.
>
> The www.yoperstuff.com <http://www.yoperstuff.com> is now in a
new look. I have removed the user
logins
> and made many items visible to normal public access.There are
still more
to
> configure...but i would happy if we could get feedback on
whether we ned
> user accounts and blogs enabled..or is it going to be a site
maintained by
> adminstrators...
>
> Thank You.
>

My main question would be, is there a team that wants to work with
me this

RE: [yoper-dev] Fwd: Minimum Desktop Conditions for Yoper 3

2006-05-16 Thread Walter Hieber


Java is vital for several programs like Azureus and many commercial apps.
Luckily it now comes packaged with openoffice. I installed it using the
source method but found that I had to add the path to the profile. The
issues around openoffice is the way it integrates to the entire system. Take
a look at the OpenOffice spec in the Fedora project and you will see that it
has the potential to become really integrated. It works fine with out all
the complexity but it leads me to wonder why would fedora go through all the
steps to integrate it so much if there weren't significant benefits?

Xgl is cool to look at but will require Video drivers to support 3D so if it
is included it needs to be optional since a default Xgl might make it
impossible to get working if the drivers were not set perefectly from the
begining.

Just my 2 cents.
Walter
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RE: [yoper-dev] Re: Regarding taking forward Yoper Projects

2006-05-13 Thread Walter Hieber




Very 
exciting. I wrote a story on the Yoperstuff site for you. Its now available. 

Walter

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Chakkaradeep C 
  CSent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 3:10 PMTo: yoper-dev - 
  open minded discussionSubject: [yoper-dev] Re: Regarding taking 
  forward Yoper ProjectsHi All,
  On 5/12/06, Chakkaradeep C C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
  
Hi All,Its been a long time since Yoper people got into 
development and the date to progress YIS Pre Installation module is just 3 
days left.The main reason for Yoper Team to be slow in projects is lack of 
resources.I had approached GeekLogix Sollutions for support for Yoper 
Projects and also funds if possible.This happened some 4 months 
ago.One month back, i received a reply from Geeklogix that they can 
host a server for us and based on network traffic, they may also increase 
the storage. They also suggested me, joining their BOSE program which is 
similar to Google Summer Code Contest. After discussing with Tobias, myself 
and Tobias decided to apply Yoper for BOSE. We proposed 3 projects 
(http://www.lab4geeks.com/index.php/BOSE_Program),1) 
Yoper Installer - YIS2) Yoper Network Tool - YNT3) Yoper Device 
Configuration - YDCWe did get 1 resource allocated each for the YIS 
and YDC projects and unfortunately,we didnt get any resource for YNT, as the 
candidate who had applied didnt have the essential skillset for the 
project.So i had to reject him.The new joinee in YIS is Mr.Rajagopal 
Natrajan who was present in our last meet and for YDC we have 
Mr.Sainudheen.Mr.Sainudheen would join Yoper Team from June first week as he 
is in the middle of his University exams.This step was not disclosed 
for a long time since we were not sure whether we would really get support 
and now this seems to be a first step towards getting good 
resources.Once this step proves to be a success, we could easily 
apply for next Google Summer of Code too.Tomorrow (May 13th), i am 
presenting a Presentation at Chennai LUG regarding Yoper and i am expecting 
still few people to join in our projects.
  This mail is regarding the update on my Yoper speech at Chennai LUG. 
  Everybody were really impressed about the History of Yoper :). They told me 
  that it is good to see that we didnt stop as Andreas moved to Novell. They 
  raised questions regarding how are we managing, working part time.I 
  showcased the Team Structure, the current projects and also regarding BOSE 
  program.Few came over to me and told that it is good to see Yoper 
  progressing and keep up the good work :D (flying high), however they said 
  Yoper should incorporate some new things which would make it unique and ahead 
  of other distros not only in speed.I told them, we do have ideas, but we lack 
  resources (same old story!) and they had to admit it.I would be discussing 
  about this ideas very soon with everybody, its just that i dont want to create 
  hype among everybody :).Many gave ideas, like why dont Yoper go for an 
  Indianised Version having Indian languages support. It was good to see people 
  giving ideas. They saw the booting speed, kde desktop loading,and few asked me 
  to show the menu open speed,Home folder loading speed.They were feeling good 
  to see the performance.Overall, it was a good end.I do hope we get 
  some resources in, lets wait..
  
As Yoper getting popular again , i think we have to be more organised 
and not keep ourselves silent as how it has been for last few weeks. It was 
clear, everybody were busy with their official work,even i was. However, as 
from May 15th, we are starting our Projects, we should be organised, and i 
would also like to have a meeting of that current project teams to meet once 
in 2 weeks in IRC to discuss regaring the proceedings.This mail was 
intended to keep the developers updated regarding how Yoper is 
proceeding.Thank You.-- 
Regards,C.C.Chakkaradeep,Novatium Solutions 
Limited,Chennai.http://www.novatium.comhttp://www.yoper.com
--"Sometimes it's better not to ask - or to 
listen - when people tell you something can't be done. I didnt ask for 
permission or approval. I just went ahead and did it."  - from 
"Direct from Dell" -- 
  Regards,C.C.Chakkaradeep,Novatium Solutions Limited,Chennai.http://www.novatium.comhttp://www.yoper.com--"Sometimes 
  it's better not to ask - or to listen - when people tell you something can't 
  be done. I didnt ask for permission or approval. I just went ahead and did 
  it."  - from "Direct from Dell" 
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RE: [yoper-dev] Maybe not the right place but a simple question

2006-05-13 Thread Walter Hieber

Hey you have to keep things interesting or you get stale I guess. I don't
take myself all that seriously so I certainly don't expect anyone else to. I
tend to be a very balanced person but both sides of the fulcrum are at quite
a distance.

As for the Yoperstuff site. I plan on doing a weekly review of the status of
whats going on with Yoper. This is something that I know I can do and hope
will benefit the entire group. If you or anyone has any ideas that they
would like to incorporate into it let me know and I will do it.

Thanks,
Walter

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tobias Gerschner
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 10:38 AM
To: yoper-dev - open minded discussion
Subject: Re: [yoper-dev] Maybe not the right place but a simple question


> Well what can one do but keep on moving forward?
>
> Walter

Hi Walter,

well it was entertaining ;) wasn't it :p .

cheers

--
Tobias Gerschner
Member of Board of Yoper Ltd. NZ

Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do.
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RE: [yoper-dev] Maybe not the right place but a simple question

2006-05-13 Thread Walter Hieber


Looks like the plank in my eye was much bigger than I realized!

http://www.yoper.com/wiki/index.php?title=Team:Members&diff=8864&oldid=8854

It was kindly pointed out to me that I had removed myself from the list after 
the fiasco of the release announcement when Blacksand was released. That was a 
very bad night for me. 

I feel that I owe apologies to you all especially if anyone felt that I was 
speaking to them. Reid I feel I owe you an apology directly since you did 
respond. 

Well what can one do but keep on moving forward? 

Walter





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RE: [yoper-dev] Maybe not the right place but a simple question

2006-05-13 Thread Walter Hieber

I am still waiting for aproval but they do show up when I log into my projects 
but still pending aproval. I can send them to you soon. 
Walter

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of mark
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 6:53 AM
To: yoper-dev - open minded discussion
Subject: Re: [yoper-dev] Maybe not the right place but a simple question

On Saturday 13 May 2006 01:58, Walter Hieber wrote:
> Hadn't even noticed it. Sorry if you thought that was what I was talking
> about Reid. I am not against cleaning up things, Lord knows we need to
> organize and clean up tons of stuff. I should have been more specific.
>
> On second evaluation I should have pointed out where I was refering to and
> now upon searching it again I discovered that this article which I am
> refering to is new and not something that I had ever been listed anyways.
> http://www.yoper.com/wiki/index.php?title=Discussion
>
> Once again I shot first and asked questions later.
>
> Yeah I can be an ass sometimes. I'm sure no one has noticed ;)
>
> As far as signing the articles I totally agree with you Reid. When I first
> began adding to the wiki I hadn't even created an account. I have since
> then done so and do make a habit of signing in before editing. However,
> good advice.
>
> So how's the weather?
>
> Sorry for the outburst. Long week at work and since I don't own a dog, I
> kicked the first thing I could find to releive some stress.
>
> Maybe I'll find some time this weekend to make it up to the group.
>
> Best Regards,
> Walter
>
>

Whilst not guilty myself, I have a fair idea who did edit the wiki like this. 
Personally, I would not worry - I prefer to remain "one of the backroom boys" 
rather than be singled out on the wiki myself. I have removed my own entry 
from certain categories before now ;)
The important thing is that WE know who you are and your valuable 
contributions to Yoper :)   
Reid, as he has said, is responsible for the main wiki articles - all those 
how-tos and so on. He does the formatting and stuff as well as lifting many 
useful things from the forums to add to the wiki. I agree with him that he 
was not responsible for the changes to your entries.

By the way, did the Yoper tools you were creating ever get a sourceforge page 
Walter?  I would be interested in testing them out.

Mark
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[yoper-dev] Yoperstuff.com is ready for your usage

2006-05-12 Thread Walter Hieber


I have brought back the tabled Yoperstuff.com site to serve as a news site
for Yoper Linux. I will post current issues and information for us all to
see. This way we can keep from having to use the mailing list for updating
everyone and we can all see what's going on without having to search through
a ton of e-mails. Announcements and regular news can be posted on the
Yoperstuff.com site. We can use IRC for team meetings, Forums for user help,
the e-mail list for discussion issues when all members can not be available.
I will be the primary administrator of Yoperstuff.com but I will need at
least one other admin so if you are inclined please raise your hand and
volunteer.

Walter

www.yoperstuff.com


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RE: [yoper-dev] Maybe not the right place but a simple question

2006-05-12 Thread Walter Hieber

Hadn't even noticed it. Sorry if you thought that was what I was talking about 
Reid. I am not against cleaning up things, Lord knows we need to organize and 
clean up tons of stuff. I should have been more specific. 

On second evaluation I should have pointed out where I was refering to and now 
upon searching it again I discovered that this article which I am refering to 
is new and not something that I had ever been listed anyways. 
http://www.yoper.com/wiki/index.php?title=Discussion

Once again I shot first and asked questions later. 

Yeah I can be an ass sometimes. I'm sure no one has noticed ;)

As far as signing the articles I totally agree with you Reid. When I first 
began adding to the wiki I hadn't even created an account. I have since then 
done so and do make a habit of signing in before editing. However, good advice. 

So how's the weather?

Sorry for the outburst. Long week at work and since I don't own a dog, I kicked 
the first thing I could find to releive some stress. 

Maybe I'll find some time this weekend to make it up to the group.

Best Regards,
Walter

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Miller, Reid A.
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 6:51 PM
To: yoper-dev - open minded discussion
Subject: Re: [yoper-dev] Maybe not the right place but a simple question

Walter (and all),

On Friday 12 May 2006 17:31, Walter Hieber wrote:
> Just running through the wiki and noticed that I have been removed from
any
> place that has anything to do with anything. Not really sure by who but
> sufice it to say that though I may not be a professional programmer nor a
> Linux super star by any account, If someone is going to remove me have the
> common courtesy to let me know and give me some concrete and meaninful
> reason. I know that this may not have been done intentionally nor with bad
> motive but let me just say that I have devoted to many hours and posts and
> headaches and effort and thought to Yoper to casually or accidentally be
> displaced. No hard feelings. Just know that I have been around long enough
> and through enough with Yoper to not wither easily.

I was the one who removed your tags from the middle of articles. I'll do one

specific example that I can remember, for ndiswrapper you had written the 
majority of that article. You had written it over the course of 3 days and 
had sig'ed it after each day. I was cleaning up articles to make them move 
more fluidly, wikifying them a bit as well. When I combined the 3 segments 
into one article, I simply removed the signatures.

By no means was I trying to erase your name from anything. I was just 
organizing the articles.

>
> Am I angry? I'm not angry. Just know this: I am here and will remain until
> I decide to go.
> Have a problem with this? Stone me now. If I leave it will be on my own
> feet.
>

I think this has been blown out of proportion. If you're going to sig an 
article use the signature stamp as well, that way it has a time and date too

for readers to see. As far as ownership of edits, screenames are held in the

history of each article.

> Walter
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[yoper-dev] Maybe not the right place but a simple question

2006-05-12 Thread Walter Hieber


Just running through the wiki and noticed that I have been removed from any
place that has anything to do with anything. Not really sure by who but
sufice it to say that though I may not be a professional programmer nor a
Linux super star by any account, If someone is going to remove me have the
common courtesy to let me know and give me some concrete and meaninful
reason. I know that this may not have been done intentionally nor with bad
motive but let me just say that I have devoted to many hours and posts and
headaches and effort and thought to Yoper to casually or accidentally be
displaced. No hard feelings. Just know that I have been around long enough
and through enough with Yoper to not wither easily.

Am I angry? I'm not angry. Just know this: I am here and will remain until I
decide to go.
Have a problem with this? Stone me now. If I leave it will be on my own
feet.

Walter


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RE: [yoper-dev] Thoughts....

2006-05-11 Thread Walter Hieber

I'll send a screen shot later tonight but it will be a walterized version.
Walter

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of mark
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:09 AM
To: discussion, yoper-dev - open minded
Subject: [yoper-dev] Thoughts

Morning all :)

I am feeling a bit better today, so I am back to the "hub" of my PC empire -
the bedroom ;) Its like some sort of Star Trek command console surrounded by
these PCs again!

Anyway, nosing around over the last few days - taking things nice and
steady,
I came across a few things I thought may be worth mentioning.

First up is the lack of any screenshot availability on the website. I know
things will be changing as time moves on, but one of the main reasons I
chose
Yoper in the first place when I was distro hunting, was the screenshots of
the OS. It looked cool! I feel some shots of Yoper - even the testing
versions - would be nice on the website. I know its hard to get shots - but
Ksnapshot is included with Yoper, which will take images of the display.
Getting install images is less easy - Qemu still refuses to play, despite a
lot of tweaking here.
Second - the link for reporting problems with the forum still points to
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]". IIRC, we looked into this ages ago - and there was no
way for Marlon to sort it. Its only a small issue, but if a new user ( or
more experienced user for that) gets a problem which brings up the
"incorrect
use of the board..." type message, they click on report this and get a mail
to a dead account.
Thirdly - spamming. I know several people have raised this. The latest fun
for
spammers seems to be forum posting. I guess wikis are locked down too much
for them!  I appreciate the efforts of the team on hiding the messages these
morons post - but can I ask that people let me know the username of the
spammer they hid - and if they deleted the post or simply hid it. That way I
can remove the offending spammer from the forum permanently and see about
blocking their IPs. Last night I deleted around 20 spammers whose posts had
been removed but they were still live members.
I have taken action to block the more persistant IP ranges, but sadly, the
board does not allow me to make specific email addresses verify through me.
Most of the spam comes from mail.ru addresses - but if I block all mail.ru
addys, then I am blocking some current genuine members as well as potential
members. So for now I am blocking specific IP ranges, based on research ;)

Anyway, thats it for now ;)
Hope you are settling in OK in NZ Tobias!  I was informed that parts of MZ
were issued with a severe weather warning regarding snow yesterday! It is
almost like being back in Gemany I expect! lol

Cheers,
Mark

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RE: [yoper-dev] Yoper Meet

2006-05-06 Thread Walter Hieber

I will be there also.
Walter

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Petter K
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 10:28 AM
To: yoper-dev - open minded discussion
Subject: Re: [yoper-dev] Yoper Meet


i will be there.


On Sat, 06 May 2006 14:57:23 +0300, Chakkaradeep C C  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> This mail is regarding Yoper Meet which is going to be held at 19:00 hrs
> UTC. This is an important Meet as we are going to discuss regarding the
> plans for next release.
>
> I would be happy if yoperians could make themself free for the meet.
>
> Thank You.
>
> --
> Regards,
> C.C.Chakkaradeep,
> Novatium Solutions Limited,Chennai.
> http://www.novatium.com
> http://www.yoper.com
>
> --
> "Sometimes it's better not to ask - or to listen - when people tell you
> something can't be done. I didnt ask for permission or approval. I just  
> went
> ahead and did it."  - from "Direct from Dell"



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Re: [yoper-dev] Regarding Weekly Meeting

2006-05-04 Thread Walter Hieber

As far as I'm concerned the meeting is still on although there has not 
been much confirmation shown. However, if past experiences hold true 
people will show up through ot the meeting at various intervals.


Chakkaradeep C C wrote:


Hi All,

So, we have meeting on this 6th, saturday ?.

Walter, is the meeting confirmed ?.

I would like to  have the meeting on this saturday as we have to move 
with YIS Development soon. I would be propsing the YIS Calendar which 
i have already sent to YIS Devel people.


--
Regards,
C.C.Chakkaradeep,
Novatium Solutions Limited,Chennai.
http://www.novatium.com
http://www.yoper.com

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you something can't be done. I didnt ask for permission or approval. I 
just went ahead and did it."  - from "Direct from Dell"




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[yoper-dev] yoper-utils project at sourceforge

2006-04-29 Thread Walter Hieber

Hi team,

I started a project at sourceforge called yoper-utils (still pending
review). I hope to build an entire collection of lightweight and effective
utilities to perform various system tasks. Scripts that I have already built
are: yoper-utils-ndis: performs the ndiswrapper setup, yoper-utils-network:
allows the user to change network settings quickly, yoper-utils-rpmwizard:
provides a simple gui to build rpms using mach locally.

I have plans to build many utilities to perform simple system tasks. Because
of my limited programming skills I am writing these using kdialog and bash.
This allows very light weight apps to be built however they are limited to
kde since they depend upon kdialog for the gui. These might possibly be
re-coded in python by a skilled python coder to work in any graphical
environment.

If you have any ideas that you think might make good material for
yoper-utils project please send them and if you have scripts of your own
that might be modified and elaborated using kdialog for gui controls send
them and I will be glad to see if I can wrangle them into a
yoper-utils-tool.

Best Regards, Walter


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RE: [yoper-dev] spammers

2006-04-29 Thread Walter Hieber

Glad
to see you are back. I think I may have also had a heart attack recently though
I go to the doctor monday. Its probably not a heart attatck but I was mountain
biking after years of low activity and I think I really over did it! I hope your
feel better soon and don't feel obligated to tackle any more than you can handle
Mark. Ive also been looking after spammers. I don't have the admin ability to
remove them but I usually screw with thier messages and
links.
Walter

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of jelle
wierdsmaSent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:39 AMTo:
yoper-dev - open minded discussionSubject: Re: [yoper-dev]
spammershi mark,how are you doing now ...take
it easy ey .. with your heart ...btw ...good that you are taking on
the spam issue ...regards,Johnbon
On 4/29/06, mark
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Saturday 22 April 2006 09:23, Edward Johnson wrote:> i set invisible
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too... someone give extra look plzI have literally just walked in
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RE: [yoper-dev] spammers

2006-04-22 Thread Walter Hieber




I 
second the motion. There is no reason to allow that garbage.
Walter

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Edward 
  JohnsonSent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 4:24 AMTo: 
  yoper-dev - open minded discussionSubject: [yoper-dev] 
  spammersi set invisible 4 spams on the general chat 
  forum...would have deleted but opted not to.. awaiting second 
  opinionspammers account could be deleted too... someone give extra look 
  plz
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Re: [yoper-dev] Re: Regarding YIS-2 -- Pre Installation Discussion

2006-04-19 Thread Walter Hieber

At the final screen of installation there needs to be an explaination of 
what whill happen after the installation is complete so that the user 
realize that there is more to do upon first boot. Just a transition. 
Something like: After installation is complete you will be asked for 
user name, password, timezone, and etc.


If anyone finds problem with this suggestion disregard it completely.
Walter


Chakkaradeep C C wrote:


Hi all,

Thanks for all the discussion regarding YIS :). Now i do have come up 
with a final decision from the previous mails.


Ok, let me go one by one.

Installer Startup

1) Check for proper installation medium
2) Detect the RAM size and check which installer to start (YIS-CLI or 
YIS-GUI)

3) Provide an option in the startup either 800x600 or 1024x768 for YIS-GUI
4) Default will be 1024x768 for YIS-GUI
5) Help needed on how to automatically resize UI controls in Qt with 
respect to Resolution for YIS-GUI


Partition Setup

1) Use QtParted , however this should be indicated as an "Advanced 
Users" section
2) Root Partition (/) should be compulsory and other optional 
partitions are Boot,Swap,Home

3) Automatic Paritioning Mechanism will be brought in
4) Usage of LVM (if anybody can work on it)

Installation

I dont think we have anything to add here. If any , please do comment 
on this.


Progress Indication

There will be an overall progress-bar indication on the progress of 
YIS which includes from disclaimer to final setup.


If there are any changes or anything need to be changed, please feel 
free to add.


Once confirmed, i will load it in Yoper Wiki.

Thanks

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Re: [yoper-dev] Re: statement from andreas on ftp.yoper.com ?? i got this tip from Chaks btw

2006-04-18 Thread Walter Hieber

Im not necessarliy requesting that we change name but just keep in mind 
that that is always an option.

Walter

Chakkaradeep C C wrote:


Hi,

On 4/18/06, *Tobias Gerschner* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Hi,

just came back from my Easter break waving a goodbye to my parents
before leaving to NZ. So sorry for the late reply.

Can somebody please give me a short summary ? I did see nothing on
http://ftp.yoper.com
Maybe Andreas removed it already ?

However, surely Andreas tends to be complicated sometimes (who does
not) but he surely does not act that way.

And in my opinion there is no use to change the name of the distro (
how did this come up ? )

Ok, crawling recursively through another 120 emails.

regards


I think Andreas has removed it after arnulf sending a personal message 
to him.


I also dont find any reason why we should go for distro change. I go 
with tobias regarding this.


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Re: [yoper-dev] testing only

2006-04-18 Thread Walter Hieber

Already done. I have been weeding through the build and its been going 
better. I am almost done fixing all the issues I have hit.

Thanks,
Walter

Tobias Gerschner wrote:


Hi,

you might need at minimum xorg-x11-devel, maybe use --extra-includes
and looking in config.log is also a good way to get things solved.

regards


2006/4/16, Walter Hieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 


thanks


-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [yoper-dev] testing only


Walter Hieber wrote:
   


what are you testing?

Anyone know why a manual configure keeps bombing saying "Can't find X
includes." I have reinstalled a ton of devel packages and nothing seems to
hit the spot?

Walter

 


Moin,
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for includes try
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Re: [yoper-dev] Re: statement from andreas on ftp.yoper.com ?? i got this tip from Chaks btw

2006-04-17 Thread Walter Hieber

Someone might want to send an update to distrowatch so it doesn't stink 
up for both Yoper and Andreas. I still think that Hive Linux is still a 
good name for a distro . A hexagon and a bee in the center would make a 
great logo...

Walter

Fabian M. Schindler wrote:

It guess it is an old message that was forgotten on the server. An
"accident". At least I hope so. If not, Andreas has really shot himself
into his foot and hurt SUSEs credibility.

Cheers,
Fabian

Am Montag, den 17.04.2006, 21:07 +0200 schrieb jelle wierdsma:

Hi all,

As you say mark this is probably old news and even if it is recent
news .. it doesnt matter at all ... we are preparing and working hard
towards a new yoper release ... which is led by teamleader Tobias
Gerschner .. not Andreas Girardet with all due respect ... andreas's
his yoper editions were the work of one man ... and they are in the
past ... off course Andreas can say all he wants about his own
releases .. but we are all working on a new release now ... which is a
community effort ... in other words there is a new yoper sun out
there .. which shines on us .. and the rain is falling .. and yoper is
growing .. and blossoming .. ok i will stop now .. dont want to sound
too much like a preacher .. :)

mainpoint is:

TobiG led yoper editions are the future ... and they will rock this
earth  :)

Regards,

Johnbon

On 4/17/06, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   On Monday 17 Apr 2006 17:58, jelle wierdsma wrote:
   > Hi all,
   >
   > In reaction to your post mark ...
   >
   > If distrowatch picked it up ... Andreas has some explaining
   to do .. for
   > starters to TobiG .. and after that to the rest of us ..
   this is not good 
   > publicity for us ... he is really sort of shooting us all

   through the head
   > with this message .. especially now it is public on
   distrowatch ... thanks
   > Andreas for stabbing us in the back i suppose .. like it
   says on 
   > distrowatch ... i guess he can do this though .. as i

   understand he owns
   > the trademark .. giving him sort of the right to kill it
   off ... :(
   > I think if he put this message on the server recently .. he
   is 
   > intentionally .. doing this to all of us .. but ok let us

   wait for his
   > defense .. maybe you can shed some light on this matter
   TobiG  ?? ... i
   > cant imagine this doesnt shock you either ..
   >
   > But for now ..
   >
   > Regards,
   >
   > Johnbon
   >

   I still feel this is something Andreas put there some time

   ago
   I suspect Distrowatch may have picked this up from the posts
   here on the dev 
   lists - they are, after all, open to all. We have always gone

   for open
   discussion - which means that all posts to this list are
   available to all.
   Ladislav, the guy who runs Distrowatch has posted on here
   before - and of 
   course, he is welcome to do so :) So perhaps that is where

   Distrowatch got
   the information. It would seem logical - the message on there
   appeared after
   the posts on this list.

   I suspect Tobias is busy with his move currently, and will be
   unable to get 
   involved in attempting to sort this out. Likewise, I suspect

   Andreas posted
   the message in the ftp server some time ago - and probably
   forgot all about
   it!
   Although Andreas is no longer actively involved in Yoper
   development, he does 
   take an interest in what is happening - I would not like us to

   point fingers
   at Andreas - or any other person - over this. I honestly
   believe it is
   nothing more than an oversight. I am sure there was a reason
   for the message 
   being there - maybe when the Yoper server was moved, or

   something similar.

   It is rather annoying that it has appeared on Distrowatch at

   this time - after
   all, we are gearing up for the release, However, I suppose
   Open Source means 
   exactly what it implies - that we do not hide what happens on

   Yoper, even if
   it is a little frustrating!

   Hopefully, those involved will be able to explain a little

   more about what has
   happened - but until then I guess we need to just assume this
   is an oversight 
   from some time ago.

   Mark

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RE: [yoper-dev] testing only

2006-04-16 Thread Walter Hieber

thanks


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Arnulf J. Pelzer
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 2:43 PM
To: yoper-dev - open minded discussion
Subject: Re: [yoper-dev] testing only


Walter Hieber wrote:
> what are you testing?
>
> Anyone know why a manual configure keeps bombing saying "Can't find X
> includes." I have reinstalled a ton of devel packages and nothing seems to
> hit the spot?
>
> Walter
>
Moin,
testing digital signing of my mail
for includes try
smart search includes or smart search X includes
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RE: [yoper-dev] testing only

2006-04-16 Thread Walter Hieber

smaret search X includes shows up in a million places

Has no one else run into this problem trying to build from source?
Walter

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Arnulf J. Pelzer
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 2:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [yoper-dev] testing only


Walter Hieber wrote:
> what are you testing?
>
> Anyone know why a manual configure keeps bombing saying "Can't find X
> includes." I have reinstalled a ton of devel packages and nothing seems to
> hit the spot?
>
> Walter
>
Moin,
testing digital signing of my mail
for includes try
smart search includes or smart search X includes
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RE: [yoper-dev] testing only

2006-04-16 Thread Walter Hieber

what are you testing?

Anyone know why a manual configure keeps bombing saying "Can't find X
includes." I have reinstalled a ton of devel packages and nothing seems to
hit the spot?

Walter

-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 1:52 PM
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Subject: [yoper-dev] testing only


test


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RE: [yoper-dev] Re: statement from andreas on ftp.yoper.com ?? i got this tip from Chaks btw

2006-04-16 Thread Walter Hieber

Who
knows how long this has been there? Strange. If he did it I guess he's just
pointing people towards his new project. Ohe well. I screwed up my 2.91 and
tested a few distros in the between time before I reloaded and can tell you that
nothing even comes close. Ubuntu, Suse 10.0 and 10.1 are no match for Yoper
Tobias style.
Walter

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of jelle
wierdsmaSent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:26 AMTo:
yoper-dev - open minded discussionSubject: [yoper-dev] Re:
statement from andreas on ftp.yoper.com ?? i got this tip from Chaks
btwHi all,As Chaks pointed out to me ... i forgot
to include the proper link .. so here it is ...http://ftp.yoper.comSee for yourself
...I am assuming for now that this is a BS statement from Andreas
Girardet with all due respect not to be taken seriously :) ... but ok .. for
now ..Regards,Johnbon
On 4/16/06, jelle
wierdsma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

see for yourself .. this statement below is on ftp.yoper.com:
Hello Linux enthusiastsGood Bye YoperIf you need a distro, then go to my favourite Open Source project called openSUSE and a project called SLICK,a light weight KDE desktop with apt integration and Con Kolivas patched kernel.
http://www.opensuse.org/SLICKIso's for SLICK are currently only on bittorrent as this ftp server is down for maintenance.
Andreas Girardet***Regards,Johnbon
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RE: [yoper-dev] Re: Cliff Wade (Hawkwind) as potential package builder

2006-04-09 Thread Walter Hieber

Thanks for the updates Fabian and Mark.
I've wrestled ndiswrapper in the past and am semi fluent it building, moding
it and setting it up but I would like to try the  open drivers since it
seems like that might give me more flexability. I hope your family and
health return to normal as soon as possible. Fabian, I hope your disertation
goes exceptionally well. Chaks and Tobias I hope all is well in your worlds.
Same for the rest of the team.

Take care,
Walter
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builder

On Sunday 09 April 2006 20:52, Walter Hieber wrote:
> At present, i think it is better to focus on how to program YIS :-D
> [Walter Hieber] No doubt!
>
> Here is my shout out to the team. I know i missed some of you but just
> wondering whats going on in your worlds?
>
> Where are Fabian, Justin, Reid, Arnolf, Johnbon, Marlon, Pioneer, and
SebaT
> ?

Fabian, Justin, Reid etc I have seen mails from in the last day or two ;)
And I spotted Pioneer in the irc earlier when I popped quickly in to check
it
was working :)

>
> Here is where I'm at:
> Totally toasted my Yoper 2.91 blacksand install! Started screwing around
> with runlevel scripts and writing stuff to automate ndiswrapper with my
> RALink card and managed to prevent logging it at all. Oh well serves me
> right.

Walter - email me about the Ralink card. Using ndiswrapper is hard work!
There
are 2 good open drivers for the cards - the ralink one and the serialmonkey
one. Depends which card you have. The usb dongle thing is a pain to set up,
but the pci card or the pcmcia card are simple :)  Using the ralink driver
on
my belkin pcmcia card here on a laptop as I write!  Admittedly that is on
Debian  - but Yoper worked with them in version 2.2.0-6 and 2.1 :)  I have
no
need to try them on Blacksand, although I can if it will help.

> Were having another baby so Ive been ordered by the queen to move my
office
> out of the room to my glassed room so no free time for me for a while. My
> business is working out well and we are having moderate success so Iv'e
bee
> focusing most of my free time to updating products. Work is going well so
> nothing notworthy there to mention.

Great news Walter! Congrats on the baby to both of you :)  Great news on the
business front too :)

> I still can't get over how rediculous my pre-emptive Yoper release
> announcment was. What a dork!

Don't let it worry you :)  We have all cocked up something in the past ;)

> Ive been enjopying some Steely Dan and some occasional RUSH and I had a
> very cool dream the other night that I was literaly eating the colorful
> fruit flavored notes of a Guitar solo by Steve Via at the end of the song
> For the Love of God! - Yeah and I promise I have never used or touch any
> drugs in my life! Honest. Hope every one is doing well and that the
silence
> lately is just the usual lul before the storm.
> Take care all!,
> Walter

Ah - Rush :)   2112 was a great album :)

I have been fairly quiet in the last week or so - we had a family
bereavement,
which involved a lot of running around and sorting out things. I have also
had a few problems with my health - so I have tried to ease off a bit on all
fronts for a week or two. It is also school holidays here - so I shall be
less visible this next two weeks than usual I expect. Still about - killing
spammers off and watching the posts on the forum and mailing list and
hopefully answering a few bits as I can.
Still here - but less obvious ;)

On the VMWare front again, I was thinking about my earlier reply - and I
thought maybe Cliff is looking from the view of Windows running Yoper in
VMWare? That may or may not work I suppose - some kernels have issues in
VMWare I know. But to be honest, I don't think its a kernel thing with
Yoper.
As I said before, the early 2.91 test worked OK in Qemu, but later ones
failed. Possibly something to do with the YIS installer? Not sure what
though. I will see what I can do in the next week or two to discover the
problem.

In the meantime, please feel free to shout me about the ralink drivers if
you
want Walter :)
Cheers,
Mark
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RE: [yoper-dev] Re: Cliff Wade (Hawkwind) as potential package builder

2006-04-09 Thread Walter Hieber




At present, i think it is better to focus on how to program YIS 
:-D[Walter Hieber] No doubt!
 
Here 
is my shout out to the team. I know i missed some of you but just wondering 
whats going on in your worlds?
 
Where 
are Fabian, Justin, Reid, Arnolf, Johnbon, Marlon, Pioneer, and 
SebaT ?
 
Here 
is where I'm at:
Totally toasted my Yoper 2.91 blacksand install! Started screwing around 
with runlevel scripts and writing stuff to automate ndiswrapper with my RALink 
card and managed to prevent logging it at all. Oh well serves me right. 

Were 
having another baby so Ive been ordered by the queen to move my office out of 
the room to my glassed room so no free time for me for a while. My business is 
working out well and we are having moderate success so Iv'e bee focusing most of 
my free time to updating products. Work is going well so nothing notworthy there 
to mention. 
I 
still can't get over how rediculous my pre-emptive Yoper release announcment 
was. What a dork!
 
Ive been enjopying some Steely Dan and some occasional 
RUSH and I had a very cool dream the other night that I was literaly eating the 
colorful fruit flavored notes of a Guitar solo by Steve Via at the end of the 
song For the Love of God! 
- Yeah and I promise I have never 
used or touch any drugs in my life! Honest. Hope every one is doing well and 
that the silence lately is just the usual lul before the storm. 

Take care all!, 
Walter

 
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RE: [yoper-dev] Re: Cliff Wade (Hawkwind) as potential package builder

2006-04-09 Thread Walter Hieber

I wonder if we can get Yoper 2.91 to work in Xen? I'll give it a shot if I
have some time. Qemu gets hung up at boot time with it for some reason.
Yeah I had trouble getting on irc also. Not sure whats up?

How about a wake up shout to the team?

I know were all busy but a brief hello might do a little good to all.

I totally screwed up my installation of 2.91 so I will reloading soon.
Hey Chaks what did you think about the Universal Linux installer idea?

Hi all!
Walter

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builder

On Sunday 09 April 2006 10:09, Tobias Gerschner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 2006/4/9, Hawkwind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Tobias,
> >
> > Thank you very much for this great information.  I am taking some time
> > to look it over and study it a bit.  I am thinking of running Yoper
> > within a VMware session since I really don't have a system to install
> > it on so I can practice building stuff for it.  Do you think this will
> > be ok, or does it really need to have an actual install ?
>
> As far as I am it needs to be installed . Mark can you can shed any
> light on this?
>

VMWare is not a toy I use these days to be honest. As far as I am aware,
Yoper
does not work with VMWare - at least not the Blacksand versions. There was a
hacked kernel for the older 2.1 to run with VMWare - I think VMWare has
specific requirements in a kernel if I recall correctly. Perhas one of the
others may run VMWare and can offer some ideas? Otherwise, I can look around
for the VMWare requirements - it should be possible to include the hacks
needed.
As an additional comment - Blacksand does not seem to run under Qemu either.
The first release of the testing version ran - hence my screenshots of it in
Qemu - but I have not been able to reproduce the install with any of the
later versions for some reason. Not sure why - I did spend several days
fiddling about for no result :(
I would suggest an install to hard drive is the best way to test currently.
Anyone recall who hacked the old Yoper system for VMWare? I think it is
mentioned in the forum - I will check later.

> > Also, just curious as to why noone is in the #Yoper channel on
> > FreeNode.  Seems IRC is one of, if not the best and easiest way to get
> > help for most anything, especially linux.
>
> Usually IRC is quite crowded. But well there's real life, too. I am
> currently preparing to leave for NZ and this keeps me pretty busy in
> many ways. My take off date is 20th of NZ and my family needs to
> rearrange quite some stuff to be well prepared. I try to be more
> available in the evenings though.
>

I will agree with Tobias here - the irc channel usually has a few people in
there. I saw Chaks had issues getting in yesterday - so maybe there was a
problem with irc in general?  I rarely use it myself now.

Cheers,
Mark
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RE: [yoper-dev] buildserver changes ahead

2006-04-07 Thread Walter Hieber




Here 
is an interesting read--> http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1227256506;fp;2;fpid;3
 
Wouldn't it be interesting If Yis could somehow be 
modified into this Universal Linux Installer that this article speaks 
of?
 
A Your 
operating system Linux installer that could come preinstalled on Manufacturers 
hardware to let the user install the Linux of thier choice? 
Now 
that would be cool. Yoper on every out of the box installation! Just something 
cool that crossed my mind.
 
Enjoy!
Walter
 
 

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  open minded discussionSubject: Re: [yoper-dev] buildserver changes 
  aheadHi Walter.
  On 4/7/06, Walter 
  Hieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  Hey 
Brother,Just letting you know I'm still out here. I've been quite since 
I vebeen feverishly working on my store in the last couple of weeks. 
Justwanted to let you know your not alone right 
now.Walter
  nice to hear from you !
  Tobias 
Gerschner wrote:>Hi,>>due to the cross-compile 
problems on the new buildserver I ordered a >change of the root-image 
to 32-bit.>>I am going to disable services now and will run a 
complete backup when>done. Until the ISP has done the change of the 
rootimage the>buildserver will stay down to avoid data-loss. 
>>cheers Tobias>>-->Tobias 
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Re: [yoper-dev] buildserver changes ahead

2006-04-07 Thread Walter Hieber


Hey Brother,
Just letting you know I'm still out here. I've been quite since I ve 
been feverishly working on my store in the last couple of weeks. Just 
wanted to let you know your not alone right now.

Walter

Tobias Gerschner wrote:



Hi,

due to the cross-compile problems on the new buildserver I ordered a
change of the root-image to 32-bit.

I am going to disable services now and will run a complete backup when
done. Until the ISP has done the change of the rootimage the
buildserver will stay down to avoid data-loss.

cheers Tobias

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[yoper-dev] Walter away for a few days

2006-03-19 Thread Walter Hieber




Not that it will matter much. I will be away 
on business for a few days. I'll try to check in if I can. Until then keep on 
rockin.
Walter
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RE: [yoper-dev] Xon

2006-03-18 Thread Walter Hieber

I don't disagree. This simple fix will work if implimented in the iso during
the create user part. The only reason I could think agains it is that it
does open up security that other wise is naturally closed. Maybe it can be a
selected feature during install? Opening an X connection to other users
allows "man in the middle" attacks. Not real common problem but real. It's
the best way to hijack a vnc session.

Walter

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Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [yoper-dev] Xon


The reason i wanted to add this is not to add any new features, but it
will just make it simpler for our users to run applications as root.
And why not have a script to do it instead of documenting how to fix it
and getting questions about it all the time.

After looking a little more at it im not 100% sure if xon is the script i
was looking for.
http://wiki.x.org/X11R6.8.0/doc/xon.1.html




On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 01:04:25 +0100, Walter Hieber
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Way back when... I added this to the wiki and it was elaborated.
> This still works just fine for exporting  X
> http://www.yoper.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_to_export_Display
>
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joakim Asklund
> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 6:33 PM
> To: yoper-dev - open minded discussion
> Subject: Re: [yoper-dev] Xon
>
>
> So what does xon do actually? And what does xhost + do that is limiting
> when
> starting X-app as another user?
>
> /Joakim
>
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 00:09:14 +0100
> petter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> With all yoper version i have tried i think it has been impossible to
>> run
>> X apps as other users then the one that is running the x session. I know
>> how to fix it, but why not let the user run it without any hassle ?
>>
>> Most distros lets users do this and i think most of them do it with the
>> xon script. What do you think about adding it to the iso?
>>
>>
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RE: [yoper-dev] Xon

2006-03-18 Thread Walter Hieber

Way back when... I added this to the wiki and it was elaborated.
This still works just fine for exporting  X
http://www.yoper.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_to_export_Display

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Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 6:33 PM
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So what does xon do actually? And what does xhost + do that is limiting when
starting X-app as another user?

/Joakim

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 00:09:14 +0100
petter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi
>
> With all yoper version i have tried i think it has been impossible to run
> X apps as other users then the one that is running the x session. I know
> how to fix it, but why not let the user run it without any hassle ?
>
> Most distros lets users do this and i think most of them do it with the
> xon script. What do you think about adding it to the iso?
>
>
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RE: [yoper-dev] regarding xpde

2006-03-16 Thread Walter Hieber




I have 
tried xpde several times and although it looks similar, because of licensing it 
will never be able to achieve the goal of being a XP replacment for those who 
want that. Its a neat project and they have done a good job of mimicing XP but 
as limited as it is, it would never be a good replacement for KDE even if it 
were a perfect duplicate of XP. Hoever, nothing wrong with having it in the 
repo. Just my 2 cents.
Walter

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  CSent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 5:37 AMTo: yoper-dev - 
  open minded discussionSubject: Re: [yoper-dev] regarding 
  xpdeHi all,
  On 3/16/06, Tobias 
  Gerschner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  Hi,2006/3/16, 
Chakkaradeep C C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:> 
hi all,>>  i was going thru lightweight desktops 
available and i got few like> FluxBox,Xfce and Xpde. 
>>  Is Xpde the right approach in Linux?...can 
somebody mimic Windows XP> interface and make lookalike and still M$ 
be silent?..is there no licensing> 
issues?...>>  If Xpde is good and worth a try, 
should yoper try to build in it? There's also the question , who`s 
actually doing it :)
  and i also want to add few things,1) Xpde is jsut in the Beta 
  Stage.2) We dont have proper apps for configuring and other stuffs as how 
  other lightweight desktops have3) I personally feel Xfce can be easily be 
  used as the lightweight desktop optional to KDE or Gnome.4) There are so 
  many plugins available for Xfce to make it wonderful.In my Yoper, Xfce does 
  not take much time to load KDE apps too..so thats also an 
  advantage.comments are invited
  regards--Tobias 
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[yoper-dev] help with /etc/mach/conf

2006-03-15 Thread Walter Hieber

Okay so I'm trying to setup mach again on the new system and here is 
what I keep getting:

mach
Could not read location file /etc/mach/location: EOL while scanning 
single-quoted string (location, line 14)
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Below is my conf.


See if you can spot the bug. Thanks

I know it must be a quotation mark or something.
# mach system configuration file -*- 
python -*-


# These configuration options can be overridden on per-root basis in
# /etc/mach/dist

# Spinner theme
config['spinner'] = {
   'wheel':  '/-\|',
   'text':   '<-WORKING->',
   'point':  ".:':",
}

# Directories
config['dirs'] = {
   'states':   '/var/lib/mach/states',
   'roots':'/var/lib/mach/roots',
   'results':  '/var/lib/mach/results',
   'tmps': '/var/cache/mach/tmp',
   'packages': '/var/cache/mach/packages',
   'archives': '/var/cache/mach/archives',
}

# Default root
config['defaultroot'] = 'yoper-2.2-testing'

# Files created in the root
config['files'] = {
   '/etc/resolv.conf': '''
#nameserver 215.237.151.97
#nameserver 215.237.150.33
nameserver 4.2.2.1
''',
   '/etc/hosts': '''
127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain
''',
   '/usr/bin/apt-sigchecker': '''#!/bin/bash
while read p; do
/bin/true
done
'''
}

config['script-success'] = "echo Results:"

# Additional macros
config['macros'] = {
   'Packager': 'Walter C. Hieber ',
   'vendor':   'Yoper Ltd.',
}



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RE: [yoper-dev] Planning etcnet configuration logic

2006-03-15 Thread Walter Hieber


HAve a look at this page. Has a ton of great implementations!
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/2003/10/msg02562.html

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I made some changes. Is this what you are looking for?

Tobias Gerschner wrote:

>Hi,
>
>http://www.yoper.com/wiki/index.php?title=Developers:etcnet_configuration
>
>I started here collecting ideas what real world usage profiles current
>computers face. Please review and add your usage profile if not listed
>already.
>
>When this is done I want to use this information designing a
>configuration interface ( or enhance the existing etcnetconf, not
>looked at code yet )
>
>
>regards
>
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Re: [yoper-dev] Planning etcnet configuration logic

2006-03-15 Thread Walter Hieber


I made some changes. Is this what you are looking for?

Tobias Gerschner wrote:


Hi,

http://www.yoper.com/wiki/index.php?title=Developers:etcnet_configuration

I started here collecting ideas what real world usage profiles current
computers face. Please review and add your usage profile if not listed
already.

When this is done I want to use this information designing a
configuration interface ( or enhance the existing etcnetconf, not
looked at code yet )


regards

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[yoper-dev] Finally on Blacksand

2006-03-11 Thread Walter Hieber




I had 
to quit cold turkey! I reformatted the old Yoper 2.2.0-6 and just let go of the 
past. Made a backup of my home directory and and said goodbye to the old Yoper. 
Strange feeling really. A little sad on one hand, but looking at the new Yoper 
and seeing it soo clean and shiny is like moving into a new life. (Such a 
dramatist!) 
 
Three 
cheers for the new Yoper! Super fast, better harware support, no more Sax2. 

Hip Hip Hurray! Hip 
Hip Hurray! Hip Hip 
Hurray! 
 
Super job 
Team!
 
Walter

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