Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads

2005-06-24 Thread /0
no club or venue has a system that will allow the lsitener (outside of the lack of record noise) to differentiate between a 320k mp3 and a record. if there is one, I'd like to go there and enjoy some 320k mp3s - Original Message - From: Guilherme Menegon Arantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

(313) black murda discography

2005-06-24 Thread david smith
I found a self-titled LP from 1971 called Black Murda, an excellent funk-soul band from detroit. As far as i know they are not on discogs, found a little bit on google, but no complete discography. Are there any funk fans out there that can help me fill in the blanks?

(313) Eric Prydz Remix Of Good Life

2005-06-24 Thread Cyclone Wehner
Anyone heard the new Eric Prydz of Good Life by Inner City - one of the big DJs here is all excited about it.

Re: (313) Axis Wrist Sweat Bands

2005-06-24 Thread Cyclone Wehner
Maybe they can do a nice skin care range for the ladies who spend too much time in clubs. And a perfume would be nice... No! An Axis thong ain't right at all! they had a whole heap of art stuff there that you couldn't buy. disk union basically stocks the same merchandise as the submerge store

Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads

2005-06-24 Thread Tim Moore
*Everything* is an approximation! I'm pretty sure those pops and crackles weren't on the master! ;-) On Jun 23, 2005, at 3:43 PM, Guilherme Menegon Arantes wrote: May I be annoying, and raise a technical point here? Digitalised music is always an approximation, so I prefer to stick with the

Re: (313) Ultravox

2005-06-24 Thread Cyclone Wehner
I know, Howard was big here too (everywhere) - but was he recognised as much more than a pop star with a haircut? NME was dominated by jaded punk hacks who dismissed New Romanticism as not cred enough - they preferred Julian Cope and Paul Weller etc. It's worthwhile finding old copies and reading

Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads

2005-06-24 Thread z66
Tim Moore wrote: *Everything* is an approximation! I'm pretty sure those pops and crackles weren't on the master! ;-) exactly! and vinyl master also got its restrictions.. although i really dig the sound of cut grooves as well as that on thick chrome tapes -- you can even record your MP3

Re: (313) Axis Wrist Sweat Bands

2005-06-24 Thread David Gillies
Cyclone Wehner wrote: Maybe they can do a nice skin care range for the ladies who spend too much time in clubs. And a perfume would be nice... No! An Axis thong ain't right at all! How's about a Southern Outpost one? http://www.cafepress.com/so612.5737450 :-P

RE: (313) Axis Wrist Sweat Bands

2005-06-24 Thread Melody Ng
are you suggesting that the SO thong is 'right'? ;) -Original Message- From: David Gillies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 10:53 To: Cyclone Wehner Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Axis Wrist Sweat Bands Cyclone Wehner wrote: Maybe they can do a nice skin care

Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads

2005-06-24 Thread /0
funny you mention this... I used to dump tracks to VCR tapes. sometimes you get the head flutter which is kinda nice :) -Joe - Original Message - From: z66 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:33 PM Subject: Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads

Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads

2005-06-24 Thread Matt Kane's Brain
wasn't mastering to cheapo cassette one of the basic channel Secrets? On Jun 23, 2005, at 20:56, /0 wrote: funny you mention this... I used to dump tracks to VCR tapes. sometimes you get the head flutter which is kinda nice :) -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk

Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads

2005-06-24 Thread /0
hahahahahaha not much of a secret. I like how one mans ghetto recording scheme becomes another mans secret weapon. - Original Message - From: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: z66 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:01

(313) Event Spam - Advent and Wla Garcia in Portland, OR tonight

2005-06-24 Thread DB
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(313) fuse-in at livesets.com - this weekend only

2005-06-24 Thread Roman von Contzen
good morning! livesets.com is going to broadcast 26 hours of livesets from this years fuse-in - starting today at 12am CET on livesets.com! from the livesets.com website: This friday it's time for something different. We will skip 'A Tribute To' for once to let you hear Detroits finest

Re: (313) fxhe mofo

2005-06-24 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
-- Original Message -- From: Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] just got a copy of marcellus pittman's 'nyrobi knight' 12 ummm is this record meant to sound like this? track a2 cherry lee in particular, I mean I know some of these peeps like it dark crazy but this

Re: (313) Eric Prydz Remix Of Good Life

2005-06-24 Thread David Gillies
Cyclone Wehner wrote: Anyone heard the new Eric Prydz of Good Life by Inner City - one of the big DJs here is all excited about it. Link to a audio clip here: http://www.spankrecords.com.au/stock/vinyl/vinylDetail.asp?id=23924 From the sounds of the clip, its not really much different from

FW: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads

2005-06-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message- From: z66 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 June 2005 01:33 Tim Moore wrote: *Everything* is an approximation! I'm pretty sure those pops and crackles weren't on the master! ;-) exactly! and vinyl master also got its restrictions.. although i really dig

FW: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads

2005-06-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 June 2005 02:02 wasn't mastering to cheapo cassette one of the basic channel Secrets? Interesting that - I knew of quite a few people who did it but didn't know of they did. For definite? On all

(313) friday question

2005-06-24 Thread marsel
what is the friday question of this week?

(313) hutton

2005-06-24 Thread marsel
and, oh yeah if _everyone_ did purchase that Hutton Drive record on Frantic Flowers?! it's absolutely amazing!

Re: (313) friday question

2005-06-24 Thread Placid
Why arent more of the red planets pressed on red vinyl ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is the friday question of this week?

FW: (313) hutton

2005-06-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 June 2005 09:33 and, oh yeah if _everyone_ did purchase that Hutton Drive record on Frantic Flowers?! it's absolutely amazing! G - waiting, waiting, waiting for this one.

Re: (313) friday question

2005-06-24 Thread alex . bond
what is the friday question of this week? what colour swimming trunks (speedo style) is marsel wearing today? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their

Re: FW: (313) hutton

2005-06-24 Thread alex . bond
G - waiting, waiting, waiting for this one. Yeah, me too. Tim, I know you're hearing us, me and francis are hanging out for this. Me need it. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent

FW: (313) gil did it

2005-06-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message- From: diana potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2005 21:42 and then -you- ask but 'gee why' http://nomusic.net/~gyaker/Gee_Why_presents_Four_Times_Electric.mp3 a fellow lister suppling tunes. shout outs. big ups. d Diana enhance your shout

Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads

2005-06-24 Thread robin
May I be annoying, and raise a technical point here? Digitalised music is always an approximation, so I prefer to stick with the real thing and keep my vinyl. In a decent sound system anyone can tell the difference when comparing the real thing with .wav, .mp3 or any other standard digital

Re: (313) friday question

2005-06-24 Thread marsel
that's an easy one! yellow what is the friday question of this week? what colour swimming trunks (speedo style) is marsel wearing today?

Re: (313) friday question

2005-06-24 Thread marsel
to give the freaks and collectors something to do was only the first one on red? i got good memories of that one when buying i bought it very together on the same moment with that second maurizio on orange vinyl and i clearly remember i had some like wow , finally again real good techno

Re: (313) friday question

2005-06-24 Thread fab.
that one: what is the friday question of this week?

Re: (313) friday question

2005-06-24 Thread marsel
so loopy minimal techno today! - Original Message - From: fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 11:06 AM Subject: Re: (313) friday question that one: what is the friday question of this week?

RE: (313) friday question

2005-06-24 Thread Blaauw, Martijn de
Well, with the current heat overhere i wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't wearning any at all -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: vrijdag 24 juni 2005 11:01 Aan: 313 Onderwerp: Re: (313) friday question that's an easy one!

Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads

2005-06-24 Thread fab.
hi guilherme, i have never tried this way, i usually just digitalise in 320kbit/44100 Hz what is the result you want to obtain? a higher definition of sound? you might want to try FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec - http://flac.sourceforge.net/) fab. - Original Message - From:

Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads

2005-06-24 Thread Guilherme Menegon Arantes
On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 09:55:50AM +0100, robin wrote: May I be annoying, and raise a technical point here? Digitalised music is always an approximation, so I prefer to stick with the real thing and keep my vinyl. In a decent sound system anyone can tell the difference when comparing the

Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads

2005-06-24 Thread robin
But I almost always buy records because of the music, barely have in mind the club/DJ tool concept, and 98% of the time I am listenin to them in my home stereo. So it is important they sound good there. yeah fair point. me too. my home setup is even worse tho :) i also think that people's

Re: (313) legit mp3 downloads (artists get PAID)?

2005-06-24 Thread Global Warming ?!
Others I would add to the list below. Heavy Industries Bevlar Dobox Clever Music Luumu Acrylik .. This music out there is pretty diverse and amazing, certinaly enough for me to enjoy and feel excited about. Check out Speakeasy on Psurkit.net ... Its a

Re: (313) legit mp3 downloads (artists get PAID)?

2005-06-24 Thread Global Warming ?!
BTW .. I am in a ballroom right now with 400 Rugby supporters form NZ and the UK .. playing a selection of net label music at 192 ' On a Bose vocal PA .. arrgh Neither the location or the PA are my choice, but the sounds are excellent ! .simon

Re: (313) legit mp3 downloads (artists get PAID)?

2005-06-24 Thread fab.
take interest in a format that is allowing a huge number of artists to release music to the world. x2 thanks for the tips guyssome label were uknown to me

RE: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads

2005-06-24 Thread Odeluga, Ken
-Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 June 2005 00:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads no club or venue has a system that will allow the lsitener (outside of the lack of record noise) to

RE: (313) TitontonDuvanté?

2005-06-24 Thread Odeluga, Ken
Yeah I noticed his releases seem to have tapered out recently too, Michael. His last really new stuff was in 2003... Ken

Re: (313) TitontonDuvanté?

2005-06-24 Thread fab.
actually at the local record shop there is a release which i suspect is new. unfortunately i cant remember the label. fab. - Original Message - From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: RE: (313)

Re: (313) legit mp3 downloads

2005-06-24 Thread Greg Earle
On Jun 23, 2005, at 11:43 PM, Guilherme Menegon Arantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I be annoying, and raise a technical point here? May I be annoying, and raise a rebuttal here? :) Digitalised music is always an approximation, so I prefer to stick with the real thing and keep my vinyl. In

Re: FW: (313) gil did it

2005-06-24 Thread diana potts
gee why = gil yaker --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: diana potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2005 21:42 and then -you- ask but 'gee why' http://nomusic.net/~gyaker/Gee_Why_presents_Four_Times_Electric.mp3 a

(313) friday question

2005-06-24 Thread marsel
is this a booty label as well? as there is not any info on the records http://www.discogs.com/release/430805

RE: (313) friday question

2005-06-24 Thread marsel
is it maybe as well, because we get older? i mean we see all music from 10-15 years ago on bootleg as we know the original i don't have the idea there are more bootlegs floating around ehm.. are there? -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: (313) friday question

2005-06-24 Thread alex . bond
is it maybe as well, because we get older? yeah, I reckon maybe. i don't have the idea there are more bootlegs floating around ehm.. are there? I think in modern electronic music (techno?), theres more around these days than there were. just because the records are getting older and more sought

(313) Rick Wilhite - The Love For Music EP

2005-06-24 Thread Carlos de Brito
has anyone heard this? is it good? (it surely is, but i wanna know more, any clips out there in the www?) discogs has info on this, seems to be only a few weeks old, haven't seen it in the shops, though: http://www.discogs.com/release/474326 (pending release, you have to be logged in to see

Re: (313) Rick Wilhite - The Love For Music EP

2005-06-24 Thread robin
i had a quick flick through in the shop. it sounded a little obvious so i left it. i think tom's mentioned that he picked it up and liked it robin... On 24 Jun 2005, at 15:20, Carlos de Brito wrote: has anyone heard this? is it good? (it surely is, but i wanna know more, any clips out

RE: (313) Ultravox

2005-06-24 Thread Stoddard, Kamal
I play who's that girl almost every week. But that's all. Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:29 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Ultravox I know, Howard was

Re: (313) Rick Wilhite - The Love For Music EP

2005-06-24 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
-- Original Message -- From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] i had a quick flick through in the shop. it sounded a little obvious so i left it. i think tom's mentioned that he picked it up and liked it yeah its decent, not the best record of all time. and

Re: (313) friday question

2005-06-24 Thread Derek Plaslaiko.
not that im aware of. im not even sure if they are a legit label or not. they just put out a double pack with pretty much all the official remixes of Blue Monday (hardfloor, the beach, 1988 remix dub, original, etc). they could be legit, but i dont know. the pressings are usually pretty

RE: (313) friday question

2005-06-24 Thread Robert Taylor
What's the deal with The Beach/Blue Monday? Is The Beach a remix of Blue Monday? It sure sounds like it, but it is always just called The Beach -Original Message- From: Derek Plaslaiko. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 June 2005 14:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org

RE: (313) TitontonDuvanté?

2005-06-24 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
-- Original Message -- From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah I noticed his releases seem to have tapered out recently too, Michael. His last really new stuff was in 2003... the shop i work in had a 12 in sometime late last year by him, its got a

RE: (313) friday question

2005-06-24 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
-- Original Message -- From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] What's the deal with The Beach/Blue Monday? Is The Beach a remix of Blue Monday? It sure sounds like it, but it is always just called The Beach the beach is just the dub/intrumental of blue

RE: (313) legit mp3 downloads (artists get PAID)?

2005-06-24 Thread Stoddard, Kamal
Its an amzing world out there, and any MP3 snobs should stop lording over their vinyl collections, and just take interest in a format that is allowing a huge number of artists to release music to the world. .simon The world is quite amazing isn't it? I was thinking that

(313) b-boy/girl groups (electrofunk)

2005-06-24 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
After looking at David Elsewhere Bernal's videos (including the VW GTI commercial) I want to watch some more I used to have a bunch of sites bookmarked that had b-boy/girl teams - mostly pop lock stuff seems like these websites have a short lifespan as they've all gone 404 I know there's a

Re: (313) b-boy/girl groups (electrofunk)

2005-06-24 Thread Stewart Caig
David Elsewhere rocks. have you seen the one of him popping to Autechre? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: (313) b-boy/girl groups (electrofunk) After looking at David Elsewhere Bernal's videos

Re: (313) legit mp3 downloads (artists get PAID)?

2005-06-24 Thread fab.
yeah, but one thing is professional usage, where i can understand the worries about quality of sound/large files etc and another one is just plain home listening. there is just a huge amount of really high quality music out there that seems to be ingored by a lot of electronic music headsi

Re: (313) black murda discography

2005-06-24 Thread David
Ahem That's Black Merda... David Armin-Parcells www.daimusic.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: david smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: (313) black murda discography I found a self-titled LP from 1971 called

Re: (313) legit mp3 downloads (artists get PAID)?

2005-06-24 Thread z66
.. i think the point is beyond the format -- it's just whole new way of presenting musik and reaching the audience. MP3 and other digital musik formats are not really young anymore, it's just that now they've evolved in something really useful, bearing acceptable quality, modern

Re: (313) [Fwd: Sonar pictures]

2005-06-24 Thread Benoît Pueyo
Ah ! we definitely were not far from each other at sci-fi records as on the Thursday i spent a few minutes with Rachmad and Mills aswell, and on the saturday i was outside the shop catching Mills doing his showcase (hanging some redbull, believing it could save me from being tired hahha).

Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads

2005-06-24 Thread David Powers
Yes, recently playing at a little house party, what I noticed was that playing direct off my laptop has a different tone quality - basically, there are a lot more highs present on the laptop tracks than on the vinyl. It easy easy enough to EQ the sound system a little so that the laptop

Re: Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads

2005-06-24 Thread /0
obviously. if you're doing a CD and record, you have to master your tracks twice, because mastering to CD and vinyl are two vastly different things. in this way, I prefer digital, because you're having to master your way around the limitations of the vinyl -Joe From: David Powers [EMAIL

Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads

2005-06-24 Thread robin
obviously. if you're doing a CD and record, you have to master your tracks twice, because mastering to CD and vinyl are two vastly different things. in this way, I prefer digital, because you're having to master your way around the limitations of the vinyl that's true joe, i think

RE: (313) legit mp3 downloads (artists get PAID)?

2005-06-24 Thread Stoddard, Kamal
Didn't mean to mislead. I'm down for the digi-distro for sure. The advances made to facilitate this as it grows in influence will probably facilitate the kinds of change I'm talking about (ie, bandwidth expansion to accommodate more downloads will make it more viable to disseminate larger files

(313) Shopping Time

2005-06-24 Thread tydesign
Ok. Haven't been on the list in awhile. But it's Record Time's anniversary sale, so can folks recommend any must have records?

(313) A reasonable compression rate?

2005-06-24 Thread Tristan Watkins
The storage requirements for 1000 records at 24 bit 96 KHz would be astronomical. IIRC, I mixed down a 6 minute track to 32 bit 96 KHz and it was over 300MB! If you actually decide to encode an average of 2 tracks/record that would require ~600GB. 1500 records and you're nearly at a terrabyte

RE: (313) A reasonable compression rate?

2005-06-24 Thread Stoddard, Kamal
Getting fanatical about any of these choices is a bit silly if you ask me,as five years from now there'll probably be a new format that poops all over the compession of today and we'll all be glad we kept the vinyls so that we can re-encode everything from the source in the new format. My

RE: (313) black murda discography

2005-06-24 Thread Stoddard, Kamal
Werd. http://tinyurl.com/9al93 You can buy a couple of their lp's on vinyl rerelease here. Check tuff city in general if you never been there. I like their description of them, too late for the hendrix generation and too early for the parliament-funkadelic generation... sweet. Kamal K. Stoddard

(313) 303expo date change

2005-06-24 Thread /0
hi!!! the dates for the 303expo in germany have changed. to feb-17-28, 2006. website @ www.303expo.com will be updated... sometime... why? they want to make sure that when it happens, that the entire universe is woomped to its very foundation. I'm trying to convince them to book

Re: (313) A reasonable compression rate?

2005-06-24 Thread z66
.. i'm using lame LAME 3.90.3 for MP3 encoding using VBR [which in average turns out to be ~200kbps]. been mostly encoding seedee extracted WAVs as well as my own production and i can't tell much of a difference, maybe sounds a little more 'compact'. lame encoding presets are optimized and

Re: (313) A reasonable compression rate?

2005-06-24 Thread z66
seconded! however i'm making use of encoded audio already and most likely i'll have to deal with it a lot during next 5 years, so i'm interested to handle the matter best way possible at any time. ///Z Getting fanatical about any of these choices is a bit silly if you ask me,as five

Re: (313) A reasonable compression rate?

2005-06-24 Thread matt kane's brain
At 03:54 PM 6/24/2005, Tristan Watkins wrote: But hell, 32 bit 96 KHz is nothing. Why not go for one of those audiophile formats like Sony's 1 bit 2.1 MHz DVD audio format which is meant to replicate the stream of analogue audio more accurately than larger bit types? No clue what kind of file

Re: (313) A reasonable compression rate?

2005-06-24 Thread matt kane's brain
At 03:41 PM 6/24/2005, z66 wrote: i guess some lossless format will take over sooner or later as bandwidth and storage makes it accessible already flac and Apple Lossless give 2:1 compression. Eh. the Sony format you mentioned sounds interesting! i wonder of the way of interpreting and

(313) friday question

2005-06-24 Thread /0
who will make the last detroit techno record? I've got 10 bux that says I can ruin the genre for everyone

Re: (313) b-boy/girl groups (electrofunk)

2005-06-24 Thread /0
the description reminds me of 8bit From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/24 Fri AM 11:01:20 EDT To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) b-boy/girl groups (electrofunk) After looking at David Elsewhere Bernal's videos (including the VW GTI commercial) I want to watch some more I

Re: (313) friday question

2005-06-24 Thread marc christensen
My tongue-in-cheek response (to un-ruin the genre) says it already happened DJ T-1000 The Last DJ On Earth But that hasn't stopped folks from releasing some fine detroit techno records afterwards. I think it's obvious that it'll be the last DJ left on earth who makes the last 313 record.

Re: (313) b-boy/girl groups (electrofunk)

2005-06-24 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
I think I just recalled the name: Demons of the Mind (although I think they spelled it differently) MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: (313) b-boy/girl groups (electrofunk)

2005-06-24 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
did they split into two different groups? I found a B-boy summit listing them and Medea Sirkas - which I thought was one of their former names. MEK Michael.Elliot-Kn

RE: (313) TitontonDuvanté?

2005-06-24 Thread fabrice Lig
Titonton is studiing these last years, so busy with school...But we made two new tracks a year ago...we have to do one or two other tracks to complete a new e.p ;-)...nothing urgent...it will come later... Fabrice Lig From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313)