RE: (313) techno mentalism

2006-09-24 Thread chthonic streams
> > In a sense, though, this does have a fair bit to do with >> techno. A part of the story of techno (and IDM, for that >> matter) has been the effort to get respect for the genre, >> which raises questions about whether it needs respect, whose >> respect really counts, whether disrespect from ce

(313) NE + MOTOR (again, not detroit techno, but...)

2006-09-20 Thread chthonic
anyone interested in the reunion of nitzer ebb might want to check out my blog post about the irving plaza show, which also gives a quick overview and some links for the uninitiated. nyc/berliner act MOTOR opened with more of a techno vibe, for anyone who likes them (i do) http://echoplex.b

(313) output records article/interview link

2006-09-16 Thread chthonic streams
here's the entiretly of what the man actually said: http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/38539/Exclusive_Output_Recordings_Calls_It_Quits d.

Re: (313) ghostly cast

2006-09-13 Thread chthonic streams
>Does anyone have episodes one through four of the Ghostly podcast? The new >version of iTunes wiped out those episodes for some reason. >-- >matt kane's brain >http://hydrogenproject.com >aim -> mkbatwerk >[EMAIL PROTECTED] they're all still here: http://www.ghostly.com/ghostlycasts/

(313) ellen allien/apparat show

2006-09-06 Thread chthonic streams
well it's not detroit tchno, but all techno originates from detroit right? then somehow made it over to berlin where people like ellen allien take it in similar but unique directions. so in the spirit of trying to post something actually about techno, here's a blog post i just put up about the

RE: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t

2006-09-06 Thread chthonic streams
i agree ken. i just joined a few weeks ago and this is practically all i've seen, but i'm not going to unsub yet because i haven't had a chance to learn and discuss what i came here for. i'd say, if people start sh!t like that and don't go away (and aren't removed from the list), then counter

Re: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t

2006-09-06 Thread chthonic streams
amen. the sniping that came out of that thread has been going on for over a week now. d.

Re: (313) Gloomy Clubs

2006-09-05 Thread chthonic streams
I read in UK Vogue that there are now clubs orientated to melancholia - one in Islington called Feeling Gloomy and another called Loss run by the Last Tuesday Society. That's pretty cool. I wonder if anyone had heard of them? They look a bit Sloanie to me, like where you'd meet minor Brit arist

Re: (313) The Laptop Debate - the imitation of sound

2006-09-04 Thread chthonic streams
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Self-appointed "golden ears" dismiss feeling and creativity, because anyone can appreciate those qualities in music (though not always at first blush, since some tastes are acquired), whereas it takes a genuine superior class of lonely douche to prioritize the productio

Re: (313) The Laptop Debate - the imitation of sound

2006-09-03 Thread chthonic streams
nto my other rant about "people can't hear anymore because they're used to everything sounding not so good". maybe it's only musicians and an_l retentive audiophiles who care about this? It's easy to play a piano. You just sit down and bang away at the keys. Doesn'

Re: (313) The Laptop Debate - the imitation of sound

2006-09-03 Thread chthonic streams
so what you are saying basically is that "laptop" and "computer music" are still in relative infancy so the majority (or at least a large number) of the users/musicians still haven't progressed much beyond the discovery stage. philosophically speaking therefore, this music is not inherentl

(313) list issues

2006-09-03 Thread chthonic streams
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i got the full message..about 7 or 8 times so far... and yet i didn't get it back, except in pieces just today. the only times those pieces worked were when a swear word was removed or misspelled. this is not my provider or host's issue and i don't have a filt

(313) Laptop Debate - imitation

2006-09-03 Thread chthonic streams
I honestly think the same thing is possible with Laptops, but maybe we haven't seen the Ron Hardy or Derrick May of the laptop yet. But it's silly to argue that computers, in and of themselves, are the problem. agreed. a big problem when switching over to computer, just like from analog to di

(313) Laptop debate - gear f3tishizm

2006-09-03 Thread chthonic streams
In order to work that way, those artists had to be as good at running a drum machine, synths, effects and a mixing board. They had to have a definite idea of the sound they wanted. They had to know how to play, and to embrace and roll with happy accidents. there are a lot of skills one has to

Re: (313) The Laptop Debate - the imitation of sound

2006-09-03 Thread chthonic streams
I honestly think the same thing is possible with Laptops, but maybe we haven't seen the Ron Hardy or Derrick May of the laptop yet. But it's silly to argue that computers, in and of themselves, are the problem. agreed. a big problem when switching over to computer, just like from analog to di

Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.

2006-09-03 Thread chthonic streams
certain plugins go a long way toward warming and fattening up music - but if whatever it's affecting just isn't there in the first place, it's not going to be the same. in recorded sound, the most important element is the source, followed by the initial capturing of that source, and then by

Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.

2006-09-03 Thread chthonic streams
still trying to get this one through...did some edits so we'll see. Not to stir the pot, stir please, what else are email discussion lists for? That being a lot of my favorite Detroit and Chicago tracks were made in a certain way that I think made them more exciting. Specifically, it's se

Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.

2006-09-03 Thread chthonic streams
Not to stir the pot, stir please, what else are email discussion lists for? That being a lot of my favorite Detroit and Chicago tracks were made in a certain way that I think made them more exciting. Specifically, it's setting up a bunch of gear and recording it live to two track, with one or

Re: (313) The Laptop Debate - sound

2006-09-03 Thread chthonic streams
"but maybe we haven't seen the Ron Hardy or Derrick May of the laptop yet. But it's silly to argue that computers, in and of themselves, are the problem." no, true. it's the lifeless,stiff, ear-scratching bright sound that is the problem.. it's like a plastic doll,with or without make-up it's

Re: (313) wtf?

2006-09-03 Thread chthonic streams
Three things shall bar thee from the list of three one and three, from the list of three one and three, three things shall bar thee. 1. Words considered obscene in America, because we're a bunch of wanking gits. 2. Multi-Part Mime, i.e. not 'Plain Text' messages. 3. Posting from an address other

Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.

2006-09-03 Thread chthonic streams
Not to stir the pot, stir please, what else are email discussion lists for? That being a lot of my favorite Detroit and Chicago tracks were made in a certain way that I think made them more exciting. Specifically, it's setting up a bunch of gear and recording it live to two track, with one or

Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.

2006-09-02 Thread chthonic streams
Not to stir the pot, stir please, what else are email discussion lists for? That being a lot of my favorite Detroit and Chicago tracks were made in a certain way that I think made them more exciting. Specifically, it's setting up a bunch of gear and recording it live to two track, with one or

(313) The Laptop Debate - 2nd try

2006-09-02 Thread chthonic streams
Not to stir the pot, stir please, what else are email discussion lists for? That being a lot of my favorite Detroit and Chicago tracks were made in a certain way that I think made them more exciting. Specifically, it's setting up a bunch of gear and recording it live to two track, with one or

(313) wtf?

2006-09-02 Thread chthonic streams
i sent 2 replies to the laptop thread, one with identical subject line and one changed - and neither has shown up yet. what's going on with this listserver? idm-l is on hyperreal and doesn't have this issue. d. (wondering if this will get through)

Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.

2006-09-02 Thread chthonic streams
Not to stir the pot, stir please, what else are email discussion lists for? That being a lot of my favorite Detroit and Chicago tracks were made in a certain way that I think made them more exciting. Specifically, it's setting up a bunch of gear and recording it live to two track, with one or

Re: (313) re: production

2006-08-31 Thread chthonic
many ifs in that sentence. while i agree that some of the motown output was classic, it also had a "formulaic" quality to it that's plagued the pop industry ever since. e.g. had a hit? next single will be a rehash of that hit. also, this is probably the wrong list to mention this name, but s

Re: (313) re: production

2006-08-31 Thread chthonic
VERY good point. when i drop $1k on a piece of gear, i get into it. plugins are like "oh, this doesn't work, i'm bored with it, let's try the next one". plugins are wonderful things, capable of huge transformations barely available to even the most high-end gear a few years ago. but there'

Re: (313) Um...

2006-08-28 Thread chthonic
>"It seems to me like the dividing line, kinda, between being a kid > and being an adult is that when you are a kid, you want to impose > yourself on the world and change the world to be like you, and be > congratulated for being yourself. > > The other side of that line is you realize that th

Re: (313) problems posting, carl craig, melancholic techno, hawtin, mills, b***hfest, arsenal, dublin

2006-08-28 Thread chthonic streams
On 8/25/06, Aidan O'Doherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i've discovered that i can only post to 313 using my gmail account by > replying to someone else's mail. and even then i'm not sure if it's showing > up on the list (doesn't seem to be working either). anyone know why this > > co

Re: (313) Hawtin Bashing

2006-08-25 Thread chthonic streams
Or people talking about his genius for self-promotion, marketing and running a business? hah! sounds like to a lot of people, hawtin is the madonna of techno. d.

Re: (313) She wants....

2006-08-23 Thread chthonic
-- Original Message -- From: "Blaauw, Martijn de " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:21:09 +0200 >This band called 'She wants revenge'..do i hear Joy Divison in a >2006 format??? > >Hmmm...sounds quite allright actually don't forget to

Re: FW: (313) more blankheadedness

2006-08-23 Thread chthonic
17:11:16 +0100 >> -Original Message- >> From: chthonic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: 23 August 2006 16:32 >> >> "soundboard" is shorthand for "soundboard recording", meaning >> the source of a live recording was directly from the mix

Re: (313) Melodic techno (was new planet e)

2006-08-23 Thread chthonic
-- Original Message -- From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:27:04 -0400 >On 8/23/06, chthonic streams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> you could lodge this complaint against some of the

Re: (313) more blankheadedness

2006-08-23 Thread chthonic
-- Original Message -- From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:08:04 +0100 >I'm starting to wonder if the weekend I've just had in Berlin has wiped part >of my brain (=likely). In addition to

Re: (313) Melodic techno (was new planet e)

2006-08-23 Thread chthonic streams
Can't speak for the others, but I'm talking about a general trend rather than any specific artists. If you compare current releases with those of say 10 years ago, they have in general become far smoother, cleaner and, in a way, colder. I rarely hear new material with the depth and warmth of