Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-30 Thread darnistle
Kelly, Stephen wrote: How can they? And why would they. Who just stands still and doesn't grow, both as people and artists... but who are tg relevant to now?.. apart from their old fans?.. do you know what i mean?.. there are going to be a lot of fat, balding blokes in berlin on new

Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-30 Thread darnistle
Martin Dust wrote: On 29 Nov 2005, at 15:49, Kent Williams wrote: I've read through his websites, and interviews over the years, so I know he's always thought carefully about what he does, and that he's serious. But like a lot of artists I could name, I am not sold on the end product.

Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-30 Thread Martin Dust
The process is still interesting though, not everything is about A or B, sometimes the journey is more interesting... For me, the attraction has always been the content. I appreciate the inner consistency of their approach amidst the sheer variability of their musical output. I'd agree

Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-29 Thread darnistle
Jamie Stewart wrote: Sweet feckin jesus. I didn't think p orridge could shock me any longer but that last image popped my eye. Nasty. http://www.genesisp-orridge.com/ I still find it inspiring that he has maintained all these years. The spirit lives on. Wish I could see TG live

Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-29 Thread Martin Dust
They play Barcelona in March :) On 29 Nov 2005, at 03:12, darnistle wrote: Jamie Stewart wrote: Sweet feckin jesus. I didn't think p orridge could shock me any longer but that last image popped my eye. Nasty. http://www.genesisp-orridge.com/ I still find it inspiring that he has

Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-29 Thread Kent Williams
Gen has always depended on shock to make his point, and he's made a few valid points along the way -- the primary one being to use any means necessary to resist subsumption into capitalist money making machine. One day, Throbbing Gristle has Parliement up in arms, the next, someone's trying to

Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-29 Thread Martin Dust
OK, I'll bite Gen has always depended on shock to make his point, and he's made a few valid points along the way -- the primary one being to use any means necessary to resist subsumption into capitalist money making machine. One day, Throbbing Gristle has Parliement up in arms, the next,

Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-29 Thread Kent Williams
There's obviously no accounting for taste -- and I'm def. not slagging yours. I've heard a lot of Psychic TV over the years without it ever really getting under my skin. Not my cup of whatever. If you're a fan and Gen's work is meaningful to you, that's great. My first paragraph says precisely

RE: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-29 Thread Odeluga, Ken
-Original Message- From: Kent Williams said: Gen has always depended on shock to make his point, Point? What point? Maybe the 'point' is that there is no point. I certainly couldn't find one, even if I did find stuff in TG and after which I could enjoy. The question is why should

Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-29 Thread Martin Dust
On 29 Nov 2005, at 15:49, Kent Williams wrote: There's obviously no accounting for taste -- and I'm def. not slagging yours. I have none so don't worry Kent :) I've heard a lot of Psychic TV over the years without it ever really getting under my skin. Not my cup of whatever. If you're a

RE: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-29 Thread Kelly, Stephen
as a fan, i'm not sure that this throbbing gristle stand for the same things as before.. and that's what's most shocking to me..

Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-29 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 11/29/05, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Massive fan as I am of UR (etc) that I am, I still find myself asking what the hell relevance do they have vis a vis any one else's type of self-expression? What you say about their work ethic might well be true, but it's a sterile point in

Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-29 Thread Martin Dust
How can they? And why would they. Who just stands still and doesn't grow, both as people and artists... On 29 Nov 2005, at 16:37, Kelly, Stephen wrote: as a fan, i'm not sure that this throbbing gristle stand for the same things as before.. and that's what's most shocking to me..

RE: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-29 Thread Kelly, Stephen
How can they? And why would they. Who just stands still and doesn't grow, both as people and artists... but who are tg relevant to now?.. apart from their old fans?.. do you know what i mean?.. there are going to be a lot of fat, balding blokes in berlin on new years eve.. as a long time fan i

Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-29 Thread Martin Dust
On 29 Nov 2005, at 17:11, Kelly, Stephen wrote: How can they? And why would they. Who just stands still and doesn't grow, both as people and artists... but who are tg relevant to now?.. apart from their old fans?.. do you know what i mean?.. there are going to be a lot of fat, balding

RE: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-29 Thread Kelly, Stephen
I do know what you mean, I went to see Stiff Little Fingers a while a go and had to leave for a number of reasons :) exactly.. the kids are listening to stuff like nu monkey which to my ears is bollocks, but there you go - our dads thought tg were bollocks too..

Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-25 Thread Jamie Stewart
Sweet feckin jesus. I didn't think p orridge could shock me any longer but that last image popped my eye. Nasty. http://www.genesisp-orridge.com/ vmax wrote: It would be nice to see them come to the states.. On Nov 24, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Martin Dust wrote: They play Barcelona in March :)

Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-25 Thread fab.
yeah, his tattoo is crooked. - Original Message - From: Jamie Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vmax [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin Sweet feckin jesus. I didn't think p orridge could

Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-24 Thread Martin Dust
Looks pretty good, wish I could make it over, they're doing great stuff at the moment... m On 24 Nov 2005, at 10:31, Blaauw, Martijn de wrote: Interessting news for some of u on this list.i guess:-) Sorry of this is mentioned before.. 'UK quartet Throbbing Gristle

Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-24 Thread vmax
I agree, it is going to be a great night for all that attend.. I would like to be there as well.. On Nov 24, 2005, at 5:33 AM, Martin Dust wrote: Looks pretty good, wish I could make it over, they're doing great stuff at the moment... m On 24 Nov 2005, at 10:31, Blaauw, Martijn de

Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-24 Thread Martin Dust
They play Barcelona in March :) On 24 Nov 2005, at 15:23, vmax wrote: I agree, it is going to be a great night for all that attend.. I would like to be there as well.. On Nov 24, 2005, at 5:33 AM, Martin Dust wrote: Looks pretty good, wish I could make it over, they're doing great stuff

Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin

2005-11-24 Thread vmax
It would be nice to see them come to the states.. On Nov 24, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Martin Dust wrote: They play Barcelona in March :) On 24 Nov 2005, at 15:23, vmax wrote: I agree, it is going to be a great night for all that attend.. I would like to be there as well.. On Nov 24, 2005,