11, 2002 1:32 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] FWD: Letter from Daniel Bell
Eric Scuccimarra wrote:
Regarding the bass line issue - what about Ice Ice Baby and Under
Pressure?
Before I made the post, I went looking to see if I could find the (Bootsy?
Clinton?) quote
Anyone recall the cover version of Tour D'France that was on that K-tel
Break dance LP by 10 Speed? LOL... I think Kraftwerk got the proper
credit though? The question is did they get paid.. ha ha
lol i've got this...the whole thing lame covers. Matt i'm surprised you
owned up to having this,
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Matthew MacQueen wrote:
Anyone recall the cover version of Tour D'France that was on that K-tel
Break dance LP by 10 Speed? LOL... I think Kraftwerk got the proper
credit though? The question is did they get paid.. ha ha
I have that record. God Bless the Goodwill.
My
He did...John Tejada is with him presently and they have also been discussing
it..
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From: scotto you know [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 7:47 AM
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curious, has anyone check
What about Sleazy D - I've Lost Control on Trax? I always thought
that Losing Control was sort of a remake of that...
Dan has I think before cited that as an influence, but if you take the two
tracks it could hardly be considered a remake or even sample-fodder. Sleazy D
I've Lost Control and
It may well be that Funky Drummer is the most sampled bit ever,
but it's not true that drums and bass (i.e. the rhythm section to us
old timers) can be copied without limitation. Not now, not ever.
Of course, the practical side comes into play. In the old days, if
you snipped four bars and put
late last year i heard dan bell was releasing a record called i am
original anyone know when this is comming out?
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Just had a listen to Wink's track and it is a pretty straight rip-off of
Phreak.
Its kind of a shame that Dan spent so much of his letter going into the
history between himself and Josh Wink and drawing strained parallels between
other tracks because, is this new case, he's definitely got a strong
I remember seeing an interview with (I think) Bootsy Collins, who remarked
that (at least it used to be) you couldn't sue someone over a drum pattern
or a bass line. Melodies and lyrics only. So if there's not much more to a
track than beats and bass, you put it out at your own risk. That's
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Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [313] FWD: Letter from Daniel Bell
Hello,
It was this way. It used to be that the bassline and drum pattern were not
considered part of the song. The melody and lyrics were the only thing
recognized
playing a Beatles song on the guitar, you are not
sampling the Beatles.
mt
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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:04:08 +0200
even though maybe you can't sew for stealing intellectual property when
Just had a listen to Wink's track and it is a pretty straight rip-off of
Phreak.
Agreed.
Its kind of a shame that Dan spent so much of his letter going into the
history between himself and Josh Wink and drawing strained parallels between
other tracks because, is this new case, he's
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From: Matthew MacQueen
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:06 AM
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Maybe it's fine time to start understanding the there are artists whose
bread and butter is composed music and there are artists whose bread and
butter is remixes, and there are artists who do both.
Agreed, but its a pre-requisite for this sort of remixing that the
original artist,
a) won't
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Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:34 AM
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Subject: Re: [313] FWD: Letter from Daniel Bell
Maybe it's fine time to start understanding the there are artists whose
bread and butter is composed music and there are artists whose
Maybe it's fine time to start understanding the there are artists whose bread
and butter is composed music and there are artists whose bread and
butter is remixes, and there are
artists who do both.
And just for the record I have no beef any of that-- heavy sampling,
inspiration,
Eric Scuccimarra wrote:
Regarding the bass line issue - what about Ice Ice Baby and Under
Pressure?
Before I made the post, I went looking to see if I could find the (Bootsy?
Clinton?) quote I paraphrased. I couldn't find it, but I did see somewhere an
allusion to changes in the law that
Hi all
I don't know if I am alone here but don't most people sample everyone elses
melodies, bass lines etc.
I mean Ben Sims has had his beatssampled loads of times and he doesn't send
out lawyer letters??
Or is this different??
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Damn, it seems this Josh Wank guy has a very low ceativity.
I actually never liked any of his work.
But this Dan Bell story explains it all to me.
He's just a cheap copycat!
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I don't know if I am alone here but don't most people sample everyone elses
melodies, bass lines etc.
well kind of yeah but if he's being completey ripped off that's a
different matter surely.
I mean Ben Sims has had his beatssampled loads of times and he doesn't
send out lawyer letters??
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:Hi all
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:I don't know if I am alone here but don't most people sample everyone elses
:melodies, bass lines etc.
:
:I mean Ben Sims has had his beatssampled
although I'm yet to hear the track, probably the least Josh Wink could do is
pay DBX the mechanical royalties (ie like he's doing a cover of Phreak)
especially if he plans to sell 500,000+ copies through some major record
company
on 10/4/02 7:17 PM, raoul at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Damn, it
Hi all
I don't know if I am alone here but don't most people sample everyone elses
melodies, bass lines etc.
I think most people is an exaggeration of biblical proportions
I mean Ben Sims has had his beatssampled loads of times and he doesn't send
out lawyer letters??
Maybe they
If it sounds familiar when you hear it is because it bears more than a
passing resembelence to Daniel Bell aka DBX Phreak that was
originally released on Accelerate records in 1992.
can anyone point me to a mp3 snippet of the tune so i can make my own mind
up?
had a hunt around and had no
here we go...
W
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I've heard the Wink track and at the time thought it was just him doing
exactly what he's done on previous successful cuts - set a pattern going,
including a 'catchy' phrase, and then tweak as it goes along to build the
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robin:
can anyone point me to a mp3 snippet of the tune so i can make my own mind
up?
Josh Wink's Freak and Super Freak (which appear to be the same track)
and Dan's Superphreak are all currently available on Audiogalaxy.
rob
peoples u r forgeting on thing ,dan bell was not talking about sampling his
music. or whatever i mean if u sample losing control and make something new
out of it i am sure he will have no problem. i think that he ment to say
that winx stole his ideas and arrengment or whatever, and this is the
Is the track on Audiogalaxy definitely DBX's Superphreak? I haven't had
a chance to listen, but a couple of people on global-techno
are wondering if it's mislabeled, as the similarities aren't
particularly pronounced (apart from the 808 etc.) Anyone know for sure if
that is indeed the DBX track in
Yeah as soon as someone locates an MP3 for the track please post it to the
list:)
Peace,
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Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:32 PM
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Yeah as soon as someone locates an MP3 for the track please post it to the
list:)
Peace,
m*
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From: Wes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah as soon as someone locates an MP3 for the track please post it to the
list:)
Peace,
m*
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From: Wes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Yair Etziony [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Daniel Bell
Yeah as soon as someone locates an MP3 for the track please post it to the
list:)
Peace,
m*
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Yeah as soon as someone locates an MP3 for the track please post it to the
list:)
Peace,
m*
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From: Wes
It was probably the audacity (or lack of originality) to make a
similar track and even *name* it the same way that infuriated Dan ...
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At 5:16 PM -0500 4/10/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorta sounds like Josh took Dan's Beat Phreak and Superphreak - it has
the constant minimal beat and 303
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