We had to update a machine to Mac OS X Hi Sierra this week (cybersecurity
mandate) on Tuesday of this week.
This machine runs as a web 'client' on 4D 15.4.
I have long standing controls in place to monitor the 4D application and keep
it running.
Since the OS update, 4D is hanging at 3am every mor
since it is at the same time -
There are a couple of possibilities:
- anti virus software (either update, or scan)
- cron job - specifically the daily 'cleanup' routines run by OS X
- some other specific timed action setup by(?) IT, the end user(s)?
Chip
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 16:22:36 +, Perkin
Chip,
Except for the OS Upgrade nothing changed. This problem didn't exist under
Sierra.
The machine has AV installed (IT policy mandates that too) but it has never
been a problem in the past.
I'm the only end user of the machine. As noted I do have a 3am job, but that
has run fine in the past
Try turning on the debug/request log in 4D to see what's firing in your
application at that time, if anything..
Also, look at the Mac Console log to see what's happening at 3 AM, if
there's anything unique running there that's not happening earlier.
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Sent from: http://4d.1045681.n5.nabble.co
here is a link about the cron jobs/scripts
http://thexlab.com/faqs/maintscripts.html
I do not really know what they do, only that they exist, I only quickly
scanned the article.
the article at the above link says they (may) run at 3:15am
of course, the underlying OS changed (Sierra to High Sierr
Chip,
/var/log/daily.out exists
Since the OS is newly updated no weekly or monthlies have run yet.
I can see that the daily OS X cleanup scripts are running at ~22:15 local time.
That rules these out.
Thanks,
Brad Perkins
On 10/27/17, 12:25 PM, "Chip Scheide" <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> wrot
I have grep'd everything in /var/log --- the files the the console displays --
and haven't found anything that is running at 3am. That is assuming of course
that any system level activity would be logged. The closest entry is at 3:01
and that is when my monitoring script emails me the first of m
Brad, you wrote in your first posting, you saw a 4D error message very shortly.
But you weren't able to read it.
So it would be really helpful if a 4D Server would not show such messages only,
they should also be logged into a file (or in system log) regardless of my
settings, at least during t
One thing you might try is changing the time that the script runs.
If the the script runs successfully at 2:00 AM and the computer hangs at
3:00 AM
then the problem is probably not the script.
If the computer hangs at the new scheduled time for the script and not
3:00AM
then that would lead me
I think I found the problem. When I upgraded the server OS on Tuesday I had a
second GUI login session open for the admin user as I needed to sudo to fix
some permissions, etc (aka fast user switching). When I checked on the
application early Saturday AM I realized I had left that user logged in
x27;ve never used them. What
would I need to do to enable 4D to log between 2:45 and 3:15 AM?
Thanks,
Brad
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From: Perkins, Bradley D
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 9:08 AM
To: 4d_tech@lists.4d.com
Subject: Re: 4D Remote hanging at 3am after upgrading to Hi Sierra.
I
On Nov 4, 2017, at 3:32 PM, Perkins, Bradley D via 4D_Tech
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> I believe I've done everything I can using the pmset command to prevent
> sleep, standby etc. It isn't clear if you can totally turn power management
> off everywhere though. In researching this problem I
Hello,
I am an avid user of caffeinate (it's a great name, by the way),
to keep my mac awake.
there are several modes (assertions) to pick and choose,
caffeinate -dimu is the most aggressive,
dprevent display from sleep
iprevent system from sleep
sprevent display from sleep (but not if running
typo, s if for system, not display.
enter "man caffeinate" in terminal for details.
> 2017/11/06 5:00、Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> のメール：
> sprevent display from sleep (but not if running on battery)
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4D
didn't prevent the 3am sleep. I grep'd all of my logs and
could not find anything notable happening between 2:57 and 3:01.
Thanks,
Brad Perkins
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>Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 12:07:43 -0500
>From: Jim Crate
>To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tec
On Nov 5, 2017, at 4:25 PM, Perkins, Bradley D via 4D_Tech
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> saw no value in running Apple's Server App. Even under OS X Server, I
> always ran Apache manually. I found that the Mac OS X Server's UI for
> managing web sites would often overwrite our custom configurat
You may have said so earlier, but is the machine set to never sleep in the
Energy control panel?
RE: caffeinate
If you launch 4D using caffeinate /path/to/4d, the machine should not go to
sleep until 4D quits. See also the -w option where you can have 4D set it up
after it has started.
John D
Some more information on my problem.
As I mentioned before I couldn't find anything in the various system logs
on the local machine that would correlate a 3am event. I'd also moved the
one 3am local job to 2am and that didn't move the problem time. Earlier
this week I remembered that 4D Backup run
Is this a Mac?
If so, have you tried running a PURGE from the OS in On Backup Shutdown?
http://kb.4d.com/assetid=77831
http://kb.4d.com/assetid=75978
-Tim
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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4D Internet Users G
> On Nov 11, 2017, at 11:26, Timothy Penner via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
>
> Is this a Mac?
>
> If so, have you tried running a PURGE from the OS in On Backup Shutdown?
>
> http://kb.4d.com/assetid=77831
> http://kb.4d.com/assetid=75978
>
> -Tim
Do the backup database methods
The thinking behind this recommendation, as I understand it, goes like this:
macOS has its own cache system.
backup creates a large file.
the system cache the large file to improve access speed the next time (which
typically never happens, by the way).
free system memory runs out.
4D Server asks
Tim,
The 4D Remote which is hanging is a Mac which was recently upgraded to
High Sierra, but the backup is running on a Windows 2008r2 Server.
The hang times are consistent with when the backup is running. First it
was 3am. I changed the backup to run at 5am and not the hang happens at
5am. This o
> On Nov 11, 2017, at 18:00, Perkins, Bradley D via 4D_Tech
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>
> The hang times are consistent with when the backup is running. First it
> was 3am. I changed the backup to run at 5am and not the hang happens at
> 5am. This only started happening after the client ma
On Nov 12, 2017, at 1:00 PM, 4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com wrote:
> The 4D Remote which is hanging is a Mac which was recently upgraded to
> High Sierra, but the backup is running on a Windows 2008r2 Server.
> The hang times are consistent with when the backup is running. First it
> was 3am. I chan
Sorry, I haven't really been following the thread, but have you tried
protecting the backup and your 3 a.m. code with a semaphore? Or turned on
detailed logging on the 4D Remote side to see what it's trying to do?
--
Jeffrey Kain
jeffrey.k...@gmail.com
On Nov 12, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Tim Nevels v
The good news is that the problem hasn't occurred the last 2 nights.
I haven't had time to check if the backups didn't run though. It is
possible that the database didn't change over the weekend and backups
were skipped. Friday was a federal holiday. Now that people are back at
work I'll be surpr
On Nov 13, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Perkins, Bradley D via 4D_Tech
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> Also, I saw Jim Crate's suggestion to have a script take a screen shot.
> I'd already considered that. The problem is that during times when the
> client was down and not rebooting via scripts, I've logg
For what it's worth, I have been having the same issue where on most nights
the backup never starts until I connect to the server via Screen Sharing.
In most cases, when I do connect the server crashes. When I reopen the
server the backup completes as normal.
Yesterday I changed a setting and the
F.Y.I.
ACI0098967 fixes the App Nap slowdown which could apply to a 4D Server with no
active user interface (i.e. Admin Window).
this is v17 build 230086 from 23rd Nov.
https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?branch=17
for other versions I offer
https://github.com/miyako/4d-plugin-prevent-app-nap
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