On Sat, May 18, 2024, at 00:51, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> I love this article very much. Unhelpful, bossy blowhards should
> experience exactly these emotions. My favorite part was the accusation
> of "cancel culture," which I have learned is Boomer code for
> "accountability." They really hate
> you’re right, i apologize. big difference between being a total knob vs
> exhibiting knob behavior in certain instances. and there’s no excuse for
> aspersion.
i would not add html to your email.
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> i would not call people "losers"
you’re right, i apologize. big difference between being a total knob vs
exhibiting knob behavior in certain instances. and there’s no excuse for
aspersion.
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> This mailing list pre-dates the evident new philosophy of cancel-culture.
> Back when this was still an only mildly hostile place the policy was "don't
> feed the troll". We did indeed believe that ignoring (at worst adding their
> address to an "ignore" list) was sufficient to deal with it.
> Why can’t we remove these losers from the mailing list? Look at this mess. If
> you want to ask ChatGPT about 9front, by all means, it’s your computer. But
> dumping walls of verbal diarrhea into the ML and onto LinkedIn and making
> everyone fight over it is such a waste of time. I
Just a simple note. When I compared the fossil version posted by Moody in the
original discussion thread to the one I am using (and IIRC it is the one in
the 9legacy git repository), I found that they differed in 2 points. One was
the increase of a msg buffer, which is probably no big issue,
> Responding off list shortly :)
I'd like to be included into the discussion as well.
Thanks.
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I would _love_ a complete list of known issues.
What I'm aware of:
- IIRC ORCLOSE doesn't work properly (visible as acme leaving temporary
files around after exiting)
- At least one deadlock remaining
- Syncs are not atomic, so a crash can render the system unbootable if
e.g. termrc was being
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Noam Preil:
> I demonstrated one
> of the problems with fossil by (attempting to) install Go, which crashes
> the file system _every single time_.
This is a useful bit of evidence that needs following up. The go test
suite (which begins by installing and completely rebuilding go) is
running 24/7
This mailing list pre-dates the evident new philosophy of cancel-culture.
Back when this was still an only mildly hostile place the policy was "don't
feed the troll". We did indeed believe that ignoring (at worst adding their
address to an "ignore" list) was sufficient to deal with it. But I am
> The document is blatantly AI-generated
> Not accurate at all
Why can’t we remove these losers from the mailing list? Look at this mess.
If you want to ask ChatGPT about 9front, by all means, it’s your computer.
But dumping walls of verbal diarrhea into the ML and onto LinkedIn and
making
"I have a branch of 9front with fossil restored. I have discussed what
would be needed to add fossil upstream again, and there was acceptance
to the possibility if the issues get worked out _first_."
I took the Fossil sources from whatever was the most readily available
distribution and after
On Sat, May 18, 2024, at 01:26, Noam Preil wrote:
> The only company listed there is yours, no?
>
> That's not a good look.
On a long enough timeline, it will not matter.
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he already admitted he's using grammarly.
On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 7:00 PM Noam Preil wrote:
>
> There's a clear pattern, though. The document is blatantly AI-generated,
> and I believe that the author acknowledged it as such ("the model was
> confirmed as trained on 9front sources"); even if it
On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 10:13:45AM +0100, Andrew Back wrote:
> On 16/05/2024 09:54, tlaro...@kergis.com wrote:
>
> > I add these that I finally found (not easily) in France. From
> > Microchip, the expensive:
> >
> > https://www.mouser.fr/ProductDetail/494-MPFSICICLE-KITES
> >
> > and this:
> >
There's a clear pattern, though. The document is blatantly AI-generated,
and I believe that the author acknowledged it as such ("the model was
confirmed as trained on 9front sources"); even if it wasn't, the logical
mistakes it makes are of a type humans don't generally make.
The author has many
I have found multiple deadlocks over the last few years, and only
bothered fixing one of them. That patch is in 9legacy, as well, now.
During my IWP9 talk in which, among other things, I explained why I
intend to replace fossil despite curently using it, I demonstrated one
of the problems with
The only company listed there is yours, no?
That's not a good look.
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It is not, but in fairness, some people really do write the same way
that the LLMs do, so it's not impossible for a real person to appear to
be an LLM.
I'm leaning towards LLM-generated, anyways. It's far too similar in
structure / syntax to other AI spam I've had to deal with recently.
> The absence of Fossil from 9front was the one I found most difficult to
> overcome, but at least in theory only the equivalent of "fossil/conf" (an
> rc script I eventually shoehorned from plan9port) is essential. I can see
> how it would be inconvenient to need to support software that is
>
A document that had no research put into it is not a first draft, it's
at best spam.
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On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 4:47 PM Michael Kerpan wrote:
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> Could people please stop accusing people of being fake just because they
> write verbosly? That kind of behavior is part and parcel of the incredibly
> rude and mean-spirited behavior mentioned in that LinkedIn thing.
>
> Mike
>
>
On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 07:32:18AM -0400, pl...@room3420.net wrote:
> an other interesting reading :
> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-conflict-vester-thacker-htt3f?trk=article-ssr-frontend-pulse_more-articles_related-content-card
I love this article very much.
Ok, I'm back. I stopped by because I heard about the ruckus. I am not wrong
about my sentiments. I am not submitting disinformation. I'm expressing my
viewpoint based on my experience and what I've witnessed reading 9fans. Help do
the right thing and help eliminate abusive behavior. The
On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 02:22:01PM +, Samuel Reader via 9fans wrote:
> The 2nd draft is out. I've made some corrections as mentioned by others, and
> I have added those who have helped to the acknowledgements. This draft is
> only for those that are interested in the content. If you are not
I guess that Vic Thacker and Samuel Reader are the very same person. And Ori, I
was trying to be sarcastic when I called the linkedin paper "interesting". :)
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We call it as we see them, it is very clear that Vic is using an LLM. Based on
his responses to being called out for it
along with the way its been written. The article features AI art as well.
Take one walk down Vic's story postings on linkedin. All AI art, all written in
the same AI tone.
> I confirmed the model was trained on 9front resources, including
> git history.
I looked quickly at the document but didn't see a statement that
it was machine-generated text or what the inputs were. Though
"LLM ethics" are far from settled, I think at this stage it would
be good to state
Hit the enter key a bit early...
This is directed at Vic, if that is not clear already.
To everyone else who called me out for assuming malice on victor's part because
he was "just trying to help", does this not
make my claim more obvious now? This likewise is including AI bullshit, and I
Could people please stop accusing people of being fake just because they
write verbosly? That kind of behavior is part and parcel of the incredibly
rude and mean-spirited behavior mentioned in that LinkedIn thing.
Mike
On Fri, May 17, 2024, 10:21 AM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> or rename
it's hard to help if we don't see the query. why don't you put the
query into the document, or better just make it some text files in a
git repo so people can help you by sending patches.
On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 4:23 PM Samuel Reader via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
>
> The 2nd draft is out.
The 2nd draft is out. I've made some corrections as mentioned by others, and I
have added those who have helped to the acknowledgements. This draft is only
for those that are interested in the content. If you are not interested please
disregard. I confirmed the model was trained on 9front
or rename that linkedin garbage to "using AI to disincentivize open
discussion communities"
On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 4:16 PM Jacob Moody wrote:
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-conflict-vester-thacker-htt3f/
>
> This linked-in article is frankly disgusting, I
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-conflict-vester-thacker-htt3f/
This linked-in article is frankly disgusting, I suggest you take this incorrect
garbage down.
On 5/17/24 07:43, Samuel Reader via 9fans wrote:
> It is only a first draft, and it is not a finished
It's very clear at this point Vic Has never read the 9front FAQ or perhaps
any other documentation provided by 9front.
Some of the things they ask from the community seem I'll informed because
of that and other reasons (like asking for GPU drivers from the community
for Nvidia or AMD is out of
still you have not disclaimed anywhere that this is machine generated.
i expect a warning, bec. otherwise this low quality garbage is going
to be interpreted by future humans and AI alike as possibly factual,
which it clearly is not.
but i give you bonuspoint for making it in quotation marks.
On
i got very suspicious at the mention of a procinfo syscall - unlikely in plan9,
and i couldn't imagine a use for such a thing given we have /proc already.
-Steve
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I'm not sure it is interesting.
Quoth pl...@room3420.net:
> an other interesting reading :
> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-conflict-vester-thacker-htt3f?trk=article-ssr-frontend-pulse_more-articles_related-content-card
It is only a first draft, and it is not a finished product. I'll correct the
mistakes found.
Thank you for the kind feedback.
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On Friday, May 17th, 2024 at 9:31 PM, qwx via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
> On Fri May 17 13:33:21 +0200 2024,
On Fri May 17 13:33:21 +0200 2024, pl...@room3420.net wrote:
> an other interesting reading :
> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-conflict-vester-thacker-htt3f?trk=article-ssr-frontend-pulse_more-articles_related-content-card
I'm appalled and frankly furious about
I've included 9front git history. Here is the results.
"I reviewed the 9front Git repository to confirm details about the differences
between 9front and 9legacy. Here are some key points:
1. *Syscall Changes*: As mentioned, 9front did not add new syscalls beyond the
'nsec' syscall, which
Great that you're building AI prompts instead of operating systems.
More trollfactories for "cyber" "warfare" will mean that all our
trolls will be out of a job soon. Vic, what you post on linkedin
sounds mainly like a big "fuck you" towards 9front, not a fair answer
given the technical
On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 3:20 PM adventures in9
wrote:
> Suggesting ways to try out a Plan9 system is not a hypothetical for
> me. I put myself out there doing videos demonstrating Plan9 systems,
> and so I get questions all the time.
FWIW I have found your channel *extremely* helpful in
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now an AI generated book? and you're blaming 9front of having invented
new syscalls? what? oh come on!
On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 12:07 PM samuel.reader via 9fans
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> Someone asked about the differences between 9front and 9legacy. This first
> draft provides a brief
Quoth samuel.reader via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>:
> Someone asked about the differences between 9front and 9legacy. This first
> draft provides a brief overview.
> https://link.storjshare.io/s/jx6tw46kfxskld45ussjek46ccpq/revitalizing-project/RevitalizingPlan9.pdf
Unfortunately, it doesn't
Someone asked about the differences between 9front and 9legacy. This first
draft provides a brief overview.
https://link.storjshare.io/s/jx6tw46kfxskld45ussjek46ccpq/revitalizing-project/RevitalizingPlan9.pdf
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