Re: [9fans] 9vx

2023-06-26 Thread ibrahim via 9fans
I'm using it on a daily base for development and as a server plattform. 9vx is my terminal, while I use geany editor from linux as an editor. 9p filesystems can easily be started for data transfer with native 9legacy. The only feature I miss in 9vx is the lack of some plan9 devices in my case

Re: [9fans] 9vx

2023-06-26 Thread hiro
in case somebody else is wondering what Stuart is talking about, he's referencing a specific text passage using one of these google chrome specific features: https://web.dev/text-fragments/ On 6/26/23, Stuart Morrow wrote: >> Another interesting project would be seeing if it could be >>

Re: [9fans] 9vx

2023-06-26 Thread Stuart Morrow
> Another interesting project would be seeing if it could be > modified to work as a 64-bit binary but still running a 32-bit environment > on the inside... https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/papers/vx32:usenix08/#:~:text=The%20recent%2064,bit%20host%20application. This needs to happen. I'd use it.

Re: [9fans] 9vx

2023-06-25 Thread David du Colombier
>Does anyone still use 9vx for anything? Anyone ever look at adding > a cocoa/metal GUI layer for more recent Mac OS X? I'm looking at > drawterm-cocoa as a starting point. > >This is a losing game for sure, since Apple dropped 32-bit binary > support, but most of the project still

[9fans] 9vx

2023-06-24 Thread Ben Huntsman
Hi there Does anyone still use 9vx for anything? Anyone ever look at adding a cocoa/metal GUI layer for more recent Mac OS X? I'm looking at drawterm-cocoa as a starting point. This is a losing game for sure, since Apple dropped 32-bit binary support, but most of the project still

Re: [9fans] 9vx, 9legacy

2021-04-18 Thread ibrahim via 9fans
For everyone interested : On 64 bit debian systems you need to install the X11 compatibility libraries with sudo apt-get install libx11-dev:i386 sudo apt-get install libxext-dev:i386 The same syntax is for the other libraries mentioned by David necessary. Afterwards it compiles without

Re: [9fans] 9vx, 9legacy

2021-04-18 Thread ibrahim via 9fans
Thanks for your fast reply, I'll try to find the way to install X11 compatibility libraries for debian 64 bit systems. > >     a) When I typed fshalt I got an error that I don't have permissions to >     call /bin/echo. It seems like echo from the host system was called >     instead of echo

Re: [9fans] 9vx, 9legacy

2021-04-18 Thread David du Colombier
> While looking for a way to exchange files between a linux system and an > hosted virtual machine running plan9 I found vx32 and 9vx. I couldn't > master to compile it under a 64 bit Linux cause libX11 was missing as a > compatible 32 bit library so I installed a 32 bit linux and everthing >

[9fans] 9vx, 9legacy

2021-04-18 Thread ibrahim via 9fans
While looking for a way to exchange files between a linux system and an hosted virtual machine running plan9 I found vx32 and 9vx. I couldn't master to compile it under a 64 bit Linux cause libX11 was missing as a compatible 32 bit library so I installed a 32 bit linux and everthing compiled

Re: [9fans] 9vx on OSX

2015-11-07 Thread arisawa
Hello, thanks all. > mine is weird: when I type “abc”, I have “aabbcc”. I replaced 9vx (not only 9vx binary but whole set of 9vx package) on Yosemite by the one that is working on Mountain Lion. however the problem is not fixed. probably that is only to me. some differences in environment

Re: [9fans] 9vx on OSX

2015-11-07 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sat Nov 7 02:53:10 PST 2015, aris...@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp wrote: > Hello, > > thanks all. > > > mine is weird: when I type “abc”, I have “aabbcc”. > > I replaced 9vx (not only 9vx binary but whole set of 9vx package) on Yosemite > by the one that is working on Mountain Lion. > however the

Re: [9fans] 9vx on OSX

2015-11-05 Thread Mark van Atten
On my machine at least it suffers from breaking window corners when changing the window size with B1. The source of this Lion version should be useful for someone wishing to adapt 9vx.OSX to Yosemite. But I have only been able to find the binary. Mark.

Re: [9fans] 9vx on OSX

2015-11-04 Thread Mark van Atten
There is a 9vx binary built for Lion on Jan 27, 2012 at http://code.google.com/p/nix-os/source/browse/9vx.OSX Just tried it out briefly on Yosemite (10.10.5), and, within the limits of such a short attempt, I can say that it seems to work. Going full screen at first left a part on the right

Re: [9fans] 9vx on OSX

2015-11-04 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
I just tried it on El Capitan and I don't see the problem, but it has other issues (e.g. rio backdrop doesn't fill the 9vx window; full screen mode doesn't create its own desktop). BTW, the 9vx I'm using has a date of July 1 2008. I'm sure some API's have changed underneath it. I don't think

[9fans] 9vx on OSX

2015-11-03 Thread arisawa
Hello, does anyone have 9vx that is working on recent osx (Yosemite for example)? mine is weird: when I type “abc”, I have “aabbcc”. Kenji Arisawa

Re: [9fans] 9vx giving bad syscall number 53

2015-05-19 Thread David du Colombier
The current vx32 repository, which includes the nsec syscall, is available on: https://github.com/0intro/vx32 -- David du Colombier

[9fans] 9vx giving bad syscall number 53

2015-05-19 Thread Vasudev Kamath
Hi, I was trying to use the 9vx with plan9 iso from labs as mentioned in this post ¹ (sorry for inserting private archive link, 9fans.net gives a 404 error). When I run the below command 9vx -r plan9.iso -u glenda CWD=#Z`pwd` nvram=#Z`pwd`/plan9.nvr I find following errors in 9vx. fs 58:

Re: [9fans] 9vx giving bad syscall number 53

2015-05-19 Thread Vasudev Kamath
David du Colombier 0in...@gmail.com writes: The current vx32 repository, which includes the nsec syscall, is available on: https://github.com/0intro/vx32 Thanks David, it works now.

[9fans] 9vx/Go/Yosemite questions

2014-11-13 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
i succeeded in compiling a recent 9vx (from 0intro's repo on bitbucket) on linux, but not on osx. - is anyone working on porting this version to Yosemite? - in order to run go built for plan9/386 on 9vx, presumably go should be built without support for SSE2. is there a way to avoid this?

Re: [9fans] 9vx/Go/Yosemite questions

2014-11-13 Thread minux
On Nov 13, 2014 2:25 PM, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: - in order to run go built for plan9/386 on 9vx, presumably go should be built without support for SSE2. is there a way to avoid this? set GO386 to 387 before running all.rc

Re: [9fans] 9vx on Mac OSX 10.9.1

2013-12-24 Thread arisawa
Thank you. It seems the problem is only to me. 2013/12/24 14:40、Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com のメール: On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 13:04:18 +0900 arisawa aris...@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp wrote: Hello, After recent update of OSX, 9vx puts to the console very noisy messages such as: 2013-12-18 10:49:13.529

[9fans] 9vx on Mac OSX 10.9.1

2013-12-23 Thread arisawa
Hello, After recent update of OSX, 9vx puts to the console very noisy messages such as: 2013-12-18 10:49:13.529 9vx.OSX[588:1503] Warning - conversion from 64 bit to 32 bit integral value requested within NSPortCoder, but the 64 bit value 140734683798163 cannot be represented by a 32 bit value

Re: [9fans] 9vx on Mac OSX 10.9.1

2013-12-23 Thread Bakul Shah
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 13:04:18 +0900 arisawa aris...@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp wrote: Hello, After recent update of OSX, 9vx puts to the console very noisy messages such as: 2013-12-18 10:49:13.529 9vx.OSX[588:1503] Warning - conversion from 64 bit to 32 bit integral value requested within

Re: [9fans] 9vx getting root from plan9 file server

2013-03-11 Thread Matthew Veety
On Mar 11, 2013, at 9:29, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: Anyone succeeded in getting 9vx to take its root from a remote plan9 file server? There is a mail from RSC from 2009 but he indicates it is untested, I was just wondering if anyone got it to work and have a command like they

Re: [9fans] 9vx on mountain lion

2013-02-18 Thread arisawa
Hello, Thanks for the information. it was bothersome to apply cocoa-screen.m in p9p to screen.c in vx32. The problem comes from the function setcursor() in screen.c. so, for the temporally, I made the function dummy. it seems the compiled 9vx is stable without serious problems. remaining

Re: [9fans] 9vx on mountain lion

2013-02-18 Thread lucio
Try to compile from https://bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32 I understood that the consolidated repository was https://bitbucket.org/yiyus/vx32 Am I missing something? ++L

Re: [9fans] 9vx on mountain lion

2013-02-18 Thread David du Colombier
I understood that the consolidated repository was https://bitbucket.org/yiyus/vx32 Am I missing something? Yiyus' and Ron's repositories have the same content. The current vx32 repository (based on Ron's) is: https://bitbucket.org/0intro/vx32 It doesn't fix the reported problem

Re: [9fans] 9vx on mountain lion

2013-02-18 Thread lucio
Yiyus' and Ron's repositories have the same content. The current vx32 repository (based on Ron's) is: https://bitbucket.org/0intro/vx32 That's three, I guess there's strength in numbers :-) It doesn't fix the reported problem anyway. And I'm still praying for the Go fixes, but they

Re: [9fans] 9vx on mountain lion

2013-02-18 Thread Jeff Sickel
Take a look at the changes in https://bitbucket.org/jas/drawterm-cocoa A bit different from the p9p side, but does handle the cursor changes et al. -jas On Feb 18, 2013, at 6:51 AM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: Yiyus' and Ron's repositories have the same content. The current vx32

Re: [9fans] 9vx on mountain lion

2013-02-18 Thread arisawa
Hello, I have tried. it seems the drawterm binary works OK. Kenji Arisawa On 2013/02/19, at 1:22, Jeff Sickel j...@corpus-callosum.com wrote: Take a look at the changes in https://bitbucket.org/jas/drawterm-cocoa A bit different from the p9p side, but does handle the cursor

Re: [9fans] 9vx on mountain lion

2013-02-17 Thread Ярослав Коломієць
Try to compile from https://bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32 Hello 9fans, my 9vx that was in 9vx-0.12 does not work on mountain lion. that leads to panic with a message: -bash$ 9vx.OSX 71 rio fault 0x8 no segment anyone has newer version or patch? Kenji Arisawa

Re: [9fans] 9vx on mountain lion

2013-02-17 Thread arisawa
Thank you, Ярослав. I installed the patch: rminnich-vx32-17a064eed9c2 However, -bash$ gnumake 9vx/osx/screen.c: In function ‘setcursor’: 9vx/osx/screen.c:547: error: ‘OSXCursor’ undeclared (first use in this function) 9vx/osx/screen.c:547: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only

Re: [9fans] 9vx on mountain lion

2013-02-17 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
Nice... I was just getting that same error a few days ago when I tried to build it too. I chalked it up to some earlier posts that said something along the lines of use a binary from Snow Leopard... and didn't want to ask around to see if it's been fixed. Glad to see I'm not alone... -Ben

Re: [9fans] 9vx on mountain lion

2013-02-17 Thread Jeff Sickel
It's the long ago announced (over five years ago) and finally enacted removal of Carbon APIs that are biting you. At some point someone can pull in the changes from darwin-cocoa or recent p9p devdraw/cocoa-screen.m to get 9vx to build and run on OSX 10.8+. -jas On Feb 17, 2013, at 5:09 PM,

[9fans] 9vx on mountain lion

2013-02-16 Thread arisawa
Hello 9fans, my 9vx that was in 9vx-0.12 does not work on mountain lion. that leads to panic with a message: -bash$ 9vx.OSX 71 rio fault 0x8 no segment anyone has newer version or patch? Kenji Arisawa

Re: [9fans] 9vx and Go

2012-12-10 Thread Anthony Martin
lu...@proxima.alt.za once said: Yes, the tsemacquire syscall is not currently implemented in 9vx. The ticks field is also not present in the mach structure, so adding tsemacquire isn't trivial. I was hoping to get away with just adding the field, but if the comment is correct, I need at

Re: [9fans] 9vx and Go

2012-12-10 Thread Charles Forsyth
MOVQ isn't a 32-bit instruction. On 10 December 2012 16:42, Anthony Martin al...@pbrane.org wrote: There's also a few instructions (MOVQ, EMMS, etc.)

Re: [9fans] 9vx and Go

2012-12-10 Thread Anthony Martin
Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com once said: MOVQ isn't a 32-bit instruction. It is if you're using MMX registers. Anthony

Re: [9fans] 9vx and Go

2012-12-10 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Dec 10 19:11:39 EST 2012, al...@pbrane.org wrote: Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com once said: MOVQ isn't a 32-bit instruction. It is if you're using MMX registers. does 8g default to using mmx? - erik

Re: [9fans] 9vx and Go

2012-12-10 Thread Anthony Martin
erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net once said: On Mon Dec 10 19:11:39 EST 2012, al...@pbrane.org wrote: Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com once said: MOVQ isn't a 32-bit instruction. It is if you're using MMX registers. does 8g default to using mmx? No. They're written using

Re: [9fans] 9vx and Go

2012-12-10 Thread Charles Forsyth
oh no, not MMX. SSE/SSE2 surely (ie, XMM)? On 11 December 2012 00:10, Anthony Martin al...@pbrane.org wrote: It is if you're using MMX registers.

Re: [9fans] 9vx and Go

2012-12-10 Thread erik quanstrom
No. They're written using BYTE instructions where needed. Currently 8g will only generate 387 style fp code but the is to eventually use SSE. See http://golang.org/issue/3912. that's not what i read. i read that it's going to be a compile-time option. surely they're not sneaking xmm in

Re: [9fans] 9vx and Go

2012-12-10 Thread Anthony Martin
erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net once said: No. They're written using BYTE instructions where needed. Currently 8g will only generate 387 style fp code but the is to eventually use SSE. See http://golang.org/issue/3912. that's not what i read. i read that it's going to be a

Re: [9fans] 9vx and Go

2012-12-09 Thread David du Colombier
Trying to execute Go programs in 9vx suggests that somehow the new syscalls required by the Go runtime are not supported. There are a few possible ways in which my installation is at fault, but before I dig deeper (or ask different questions) I want to know that the problem is not in 9vx

Re: [9fans] 9vx and Go

2012-12-09 Thread lucio
If you plan to work on vx32, please use the following repository, since it should contain the most recent work. https://bitbucket.org/0intro/vx32 You could send patches directly to myself since Ron Minnich handed the repository off to me. Will do... ++L

[9fans] 9vx and Go

2012-12-08 Thread lucio
Trying to execute Go programs in 9vx suggests that somehow the new syscalls required by the Go runtime are not supported. There are a few possible ways in which my installation is at fault, but before I dig deeper (or ask different questions) I want to know that the problem is not in 9vx itself.

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-28 Thread Dennis den Brok
Mein Kampf was clearly not included to promote Nazi ideals, as Germans (who are probably the target audience) aren't even allowed to possess this book. So in practice the joke punishes every law-abiding German citizen by disallowing them to download 9front. Possession of Mein Kampf is not

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-27 Thread yy
2011/11/21 Jens Staal staal1...@gmail.com: What I would like to know is if you can boot a plan9 system from iso via 9vx as persistent partition whereas changes are saved to another directory (so basically setting up a union mount between the iso and a directory) - alternatively specifying an

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-27 Thread Jens Staal
On 11/27/11 14:39, yy wrote: 2011/11/21 Jens Staalstaal1...@gmail.com: What I would like to know is if you can boot a plan9 system from iso via 9vx as persistent partition whereas changes are saved to another directory (so basically setting up a union mount between the iso and a directory) -

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-27 Thread Dan Cross
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:32 PM, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: /lib/mainkampf is part of an ongoing project to make venti sha-1 hashes easy to remember by translating them into hitler-speeches. It's also, frankly, offensive.

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-27 Thread Stanley Lieber
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: this reasoning is so ridiculous that i have to believe you're trolling. the U.S. Constitution has been the foundation for the rule of law in this country for 200+ years, and the Gettysburg address honored the

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-27 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011, Dan Cross wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:32 PM, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: /lib/mainkampf is part of an ongoing project to make venti sha-1 hashes easy to remember by translating them into hitler-speeches. It's also, frankly, offensive. I think 'disgusting'

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-27 Thread Iruatã Souza
I like some of the fun in 9front, /lib/theo in special, and I dislike the idea of having the US constitution in /lib. But my point is that I think it is a little bit too much having Mein Kampf in there. It seems to me some people needed attention and adding such a disgusting text to the tree was

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-27 Thread Dan Cross
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: On Sun, 27 Nov 2011, Dan Cross wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:32 PM,  cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: /lib/mainkampf is part of an ongoing project to make venti sha-1 hashes easy to remember by translating them into

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-27 Thread hiro
Mein Kampf was clearly not included to promote Nazi ideals, as Germans (who are probably the target audience) aren't even allowed to possess this book. So in practice the joke punishes every law-abiding German citizen by disallowing them to download 9front.

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-27 Thread Andrés Domínguez
2011/11/27 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: I suspect one of the reasons why 9front exists is because some people in the Plan 9 community this days seem to take themselves and the whole project a bit too seriously. Which is kind of weird for a project called after an Ed Wood film.

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-27 Thread Anthony Martin
cinap_len...@gmx.de once said: /lib/mainkampf is part of an ongoing project to make venti sha-1 hashes easy to remember by translating them into hitler-speeches. Well now that it's gone, how about using excerpts from Industrial Society and its Future? I can send a patch to add /lib/kaczynski.

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-26 Thread Uriel
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:02 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: if folks have a problem with 9front it is not technical.  folks don't get that far.  it is because 9front appears to have defined itself in criticism of people (not code).  and further defined itself by some

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-26 Thread erik quanstrom
9front seems to me to define itself as: having fun while getting useful stuff done. With an emphasis in *fun* and in not taking anything too seriously, while one the technical side favoring simplicity and things that work. This might not be exactly the same original Plan 9 values, but seems

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-26 Thread Jacob Todd
The constitution and the gettysburg address are in there, too. On Nov 26, 2011 6:51 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: 9front seems to me to define itself as: having fun while getting useful stuff done. With an emphasis in *fun* and in not taking anything too seriously, while

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-26 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 3:40 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: 9front seems to me to define itself as: having fun while getting useful stuff done. With an emphasis in *fun* and in not taking anything too seriously, while one the technical side favoring simplicity and things that

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-26 Thread Lucio De Re
uriel, what you say would make sense if the jokes didn't include putting mein kampf in /lib. The constitution and the gettysburg address are in there, too. Is this balanced by having The Diary of Ann Frank in there, too? ++L

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-26 Thread cinap_lenrek
no, but the communist manifesto ;) -- cinap

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-26 Thread cinap_lenrek
/lib/mainkampf is part of an ongoing project to make venti sha-1 hashes easy to remember by translating them into hitler-speeches. -- cinap

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-25 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
A good clue might have been that they're Sharepoint experts. On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Stanley Lieber stanley.lie...@gmail.com wrote: The article linked above is an example of poor journalism, complete with misquotes and fabricated quotes.

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Yaroslav
2011/11/22 Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com: because 9fans not only agree to disagree, they also disagree to agree :) +1

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
You mean -1, don't you? On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Yaroslav yari...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/11/22 Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com: because 9fans not only agree to disagree, they also disagree to agree :) +1

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread erik quanstrom
This, to be honest, doesn't say much. However, recently I stumbled over this: http://www.sptechweb.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=35742print=true geoff did cwfs, and has done more to maintain the system than the rest of us put together. he has my respect for that. thanks, geoff. - erik

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
it seems to me that cat-v.org is in the business of promoting itself. i've had patches that were accepted and some that were rejected for good reasons. please point out the rejected patches (which are also kept) so that we can judge the veracity of the claims being made. I have great respect for

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I'm impressed by the work Geoff, and others do on Plan9, and I'm not talking about 9front at all. Jim, Charles, and others made an excellent port for amd64, which is cleaner that any other system I've seen. We used that as a starting point for nix. I think is childish to fork a system because the

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Stanley Lieber
The work of Geoff and everyone inside and outside of Bell Labs who have contributed over the years is greatly appreciated. Obviously, none of us would be here talking about Plan 9 without their contributions. It's because of their hard work that we have a base from which to launch our experiments.

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:25 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: This, to be honest, doesn't say much. However, recently I stumbled over this: http://www.sptechweb.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=35742print=true geoff did cwfs, and has done more to maintain the system than

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread cinap_lenrek
so it is childish to replace 9load? or build a distribution that uses the stable and robust cwfs instead of fossil? write an audio layer? moving realmode and keyboard processing to userspace? unify the boot process to to break into rc shell, so one can at see what hardware got detected, poke at

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread ron minnich
Um, cinap, just FYI, I was not aiming at you or anyone else in particular. Sorry if it sounded that way. It's a holiday here, and not many other places, but still ... happy -day everyone! ron

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
neither am I. I was saying it would have been much better to see which one was the problem with patches and address it. have fun. On Thursday, November 24, 2011, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: Um, cinap, just FYI, I was not aiming at you or anyone else in particular. Sorry if it sounded

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Nov 24 15:40:16 EST 2011, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: so it is childish to replace 9load? or build a distribution that uses the stable and robust cwfs instead of fossil? write an audio layer? moving realmode and keyboard processing to userspace? unify the boot process to to break into rc

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Lucio De Re
I have great respect for Geoff and what he has been and continues to do for Plan 9. I'd like to add my voice to this. And I take exception to Schmidt taking the glory for cwfs, which is Geoff Collyer's work and is not in any way to be treated as a sequel to Fossil. ++L

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Lucio De Re
I take full responsibility for the misunderstandings, though I wonder why we're all so credulous when it comes to articles on websites. Because that's the point of journalism. You ought to have made sure that the community affected by the article was informed about its inaccuracies. I do

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Lucio De Re
so it is childish to replace 9load? or build a distribution that uses the stable and robust cwfs instead of fossil? write an audio layer? moving realmode and keyboard processing to userspace? unify the boot process to to break into rc shell, so one can at see what hardware got detected, poke

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Stanley Lieber
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Lucio De Re lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: I have great respect for Geoff and what he has been and continues to do for Plan 9. I'd like to add my voice to this.  And I take exception to Schmidt taking the glory for cwfs, which is Geoff Collyer's work and is not

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Stanley Lieber
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Lucio De Re lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:  I take full responsibility for the misunderstandings, though I wonder why we're all so credulous when it comes to articles on websites. Because that's the point of journalism.  You ought to have made sure that the

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Stanley Lieber
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Lucio De Re lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: Is it too late to merge Plan 9, 9front and NIX by applying patches as the Go Authors do with their stuff? The divergence is probably already too wide for merging with simple patches, but 9front's changes are of course

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-22 Thread Charles Forsyth
In this case, it seems to be less agreement or disagreement than significantly different experiences. Some of that is caused by using 9vx differently, but it also happens that the version of 9vx that others are using has a great many non-trivial differences with the much older one I'm using, and

[9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-21 Thread Anton
Hello all, Recently I've discovered Plan 9 and I'm fascinated by it's numerous beauties, and I want to try it for more or less regular use, probably port something. However, as it won't work on my laptop natively, i'm forced to use 9vx (running in kvm is too slow). It has one magor drawback - it

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-21 Thread Alexander Kapshuk
have you considered running plan 9 from within virtualbox? plan 9 seems to be fairly responsive running within the latest version of virtualbox on debian squeeze here. On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Anton fluffyl...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, Recently I've discovered Plan 9 and I'm

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-21 Thread Akshat Kumar
What are the problems with trying to boot it natively (by the way, you probably won't be able to drive the wireless card, if you do get it to boot native)? Have you tried Erik Quanstro's 9atom kernel? ak On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Anton fluffyl...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, Recently

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-21 Thread Anthony Martin
Anton fluffyl...@gmail.com once said: However, as it won't work on my laptop natively, i'm forced to use 9vx (running in kvm is too slow). It has one magor drawback - it is freezing my entire system after some random time. Symptoms are - no reaction on input (mouse/keyboard), no changes in

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-21 Thread yy
2011/11/21 Anton fluffyl...@gmail.com: Linux hippo 3.0-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 19 12:14:48 UTC 2011 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo CPU T2600 @ 2.16GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux (Archlinux) You may try booting an older kernel. I've had similar problems since I updated my main arch system to linux

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-21 Thread Jens Staal
On 11/21/11 12:01, yy wrote: 9vx-hg (checked out 2011.11.17) - cmd line (9vx -r 9front -u glenda) 9front iso image - 9front-1131.664b953bfdde (I've copied it's contents and `chmod -R u+w`ed it) If you are using a modern version of 9vx (rminnich's repository at bitbucket) you don't need to copy

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-21 Thread yy
2011/11/21 Jens Staal staal1...@gmail.com: What I would like to know is if you can boot a plan9 system from iso via 9vx as persistent partition whereas changes are saved to another directory (so basically setting up a union mount between the iso and a directory) - alternatively specifying an

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-21 Thread Anton
Wow, so many replies :) have you considered running plan 9 from within virtualbox? I've not tried it yet, since the are a lot mentions that Plan 9 is slow under vb, but I'll try it if nothing helps. What are the problems with trying to boot it natively? As you correctly suggested, my

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-21 Thread Sergey Kish
Jens, vx32-hg is already in AUR http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=28147Maybe it should use rminnich/vx32 repo by default /_hgroot/c_hgroot=https://bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32;. On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Jens Staal staal1...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/21/11 12:01, yy wrote: 9vx-hg

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-21 Thread Sergey Kish
I love Gmail, vx32-hg is already in AUR http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=28147 Maybe it should use rminnich/vx32 repo by default /_hgroot/c _hgroot=https://bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32; . On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Sergey Kish sergey.k...@gmail.com wrote: Jens, vx32-hg is

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-21 Thread Jens Staal
2011/11/21 Sergey Kish sergey.k...@gmail.com: Jens, vx32-hg is already in AUR http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=28147Maybe it should use rminnich/vx32 repo by default /_hgroot/c_hgroot=https://bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32;. http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=28147 uses

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-21 Thread ron minnich
If you're on linux, you should consider kvm + kvmtool + plan 9. vx32 is incomplete. It has many problems. Nobody's had the time to really fix it. It's nice that it works but you should not assume that it's a solid piece of software; it's not. ron

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-21 Thread Charles Forsyth
i have to say my experience is quite different. % uname -aLinux pensomolto 3.0.0-12-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 7 14:50:42 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux ubuntu 11.10 but note that i use gnome not unity (because i want to use it). i use 9vx, and have done for years. i use it as both a

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-21 Thread erik quanstrom
my only practical problem so far is DNS, which i suppose must be single-threaded. my experiment in wiring dns to a mach didn't work; it was less stable than before. mttf measured in seconds. - erik

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-21 Thread Anton
If you're on linux, you should consider kvm + kvmtool + plan 9 AFAIK, kvmtool wasn't integrated into 3.1. Is it stable/mature enough to run plan 9? i have to say my experience is quite different Hm, that's odd. 9vx runs ok in ubuntu in tinycore, but not in arch. Maybe the thing is in Arch's

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-21 Thread Jens Staal
On 11/21/11 18:09, Anton wrote: If you're on linux, you should consider kvm + kvmtool + plan 9 AFAIK, kvmtool wasn't integrated into 3.1. Is it stable/mature enough to run plan 9? i have to say my experience is quite different Hm, that's odd. 9vx runs ok in ubuntu in tinycore, but not in

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-21 Thread Charles Forsyth
what do you do??? On 21 November 2011 10:24, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: but it is also pretty easy for me to drive it into a corner such that simple commands don't have repeatable results -- memory corruption problems start to appear.

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