Hello,
John Chambers:
> Simon Wascher writes:
> | I would like to add:
> | [1+3
> | and
> | [1&3
(...)
> My current implementation has
> "-,.0123456789" as the legal chars; making it "-,.+&0123456789" is a
> one-line change. (In an earlier
e that expression as long as
it does not break the integrity of the code.
Not asking all the time "why should we allow this ?" but "Why not?" and
rejection not just being the personal oppinion that it is silly. Its one
of the basic freedom rights, this right to do things others may c
[1"Foo"ABC
Ooops, an euphoric lack of concentration, pardon and thanks for the
correction. But anyway
["last time" will work without troubles.
But I agree that the votes on [1,3 and on ["" must be separated.
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conclusion not to qualify other
listmembers postings as "silly". Not every bit of notation I do not
share, use or understand is neccessarily silly.
:-|
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gain I do not see any troubles to allow the extention-extention:
`|(spaces, backslashes, linebreakes, tabs)[<"text">'
where also could be any of the extentions proposed earlier.
Example:
abcdefg |1+3 a2bcdefg :|\
[2+4 b2cdefga ||\
["last ending" c8 |]
ranscriber
orientated approach with very little limitations, as the number of
repeats can be choosen free, and alternatively a text which can be
identified by programs as repeat-related can be added to extend the
possibilities further out. I think such a solution would end discussions
on this top
uld *not* live with such a solution. It *must* be possible to use
words for describing tempo whithout having to define them in numbers.
If the words used for describing a tempo do not match any already
defined string of words they simply cannot affect a programms playback
(but these words will still
ck program it is not. And definitely it should *not* be
part of the abc format standard, since for some musicans using textual
tempo indicators is to *avoid* metronome numbers to sugest that it
depends on the circumstances of a performance which tempo is the right
one.
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
es,
* textual tempo indicators are allowed without the need to agree on if
and how they are interpreted by player programs, which I do belive is a
separate topic.
Simon
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an one pre-existing standard for each textual tempo
indicator, and therefore it would be counterproductive to fix them
unchangeable within a program and even worse to disastrous to fix them
within the standard.
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common agreement (forewards and backwards
copatability in tunes and at least partly in programs ? )
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a short text (in the short
example above, its 14 vs. 12 characters - last but not least this means
compressing the tune size about 1/7, often it will be much more).
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Hello,
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> On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Simon Wascher wrote:
>
> > why if the beat changes with the meter, the meter (M:) isnt the field
> > which defines by its content (I do *not* mean to add an extention to
> > it) what Allegro (~120 beats per minute)
sical music's set of italian tempo descriptors which have in no way
a consistent well defined generally accepted meaning as every
musicologist can demonstrate.
Simon
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d "Allegro". And if ever it will be possible
to use 3+3+2/8 in an abc M: field, we can find a way to define allegro
under such a M: field.
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musical
source.
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using
%%begintext
%%endtext
and generate a single .ps file ?
Simon
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es that backwards compatability whith (some) old
programs is provided.
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ayability, its
freeware) but in this case there are some things that tangent the
display.
> I keep going back to HTML but it really seems to me that we're about to
> make all the mistakes over again that the HTML crowd made a few years
> ago.
in your statements, please keep in your mind that I do not understand a
word about HTML, maybe other listmembers too.
Simon
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need of a stringent
syntax for this, since it does not much make a difference which part of
a program has to recognize a string.
and if features are not implemented, it may also cause people to include
%%programspecific commands whithin files.
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the colon this will not be
printed if it is followed by any other character. everething else is
printed entirely.
because this does not need a special character or something similar at
all. Just a "special case" as Laurie called it, the playback only with
the minus [or any other single cha
Hello Anselm,
Anselm Lingnau wrote:
> Simon Wascher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Lets say you are right, its completely impossible that someone needs
> > that.
> I'm not claiming that it is impossible for anybody to need this. But if
> this is a sensible propo
n the R:field has a meaning of its own
if the tune is cut of from its macro file and so it would be with tempo
indicators.
Its true its not standard. So it must undergo discussion anyway.
Simon
PS: how do you like my actual proposal for the Q:field ? (besides the
macro topic)
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Anselm Lingnau wrote:
> Simon Wascher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Example
> > X:1
> > Q:n/n=n N/N=N andante
> I think this is much too complicated. I'm still waiting for you (or
> anybody) to explain why an ABC tune should contain one prescribed
>
be displayed but a playback tempo set this
can be done using just the "-" after the tempo indicator:
Example:
X:1
Q:n/n=n -
X:1
Q:andante -
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out 80 but by the last 1/4
about 140 %will use default
Q: Slow then quicker, 1st 1/2 = 80, last 1/4 = 140 % will use 1/2=80
this is something new: a changing tempo. Wonder which player could
handle this. Maybe we can start a new topic on this :o) .
Q: Parts A and B =120, C=140 % will use defau
n be done using a "-" after the numeral tempo indicator.
Example:
X:1
Q:n/n=n -
Old versions of setting the tempo like Q:60 cannot be expanded, so
Example:
X:1
Q:60 Andante
will be displayed as: "60 Andante" if "Andante" is predefined as textual
tempo indicator play
time please
accept that other people do expand features you never heard of and never
will use.
simon
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Hello Laurie,
I think maybe now we got it:
The golden rule could be:
If there is a n/n=n string right after the colon this will not be
printed if it is followed by any other character.
everething else is printed entirely.
this restricts "playback only" fields to n/n=n what is acceptable, an
ax interprete
this pile ? what are your solutions?
will you write an all plattform automatic conversion tool and is it sure
that no part of thecontent gets lost in this process?
I am honestly interested and my questions are not cynical. But there are
serious problems that would be created by a new s
rets.
> under the stipulation that a tune would not have a `display speed'
> of 1/4=90 and a `playback speed' of 1/4=120,
Its likely that exactly this is desired: One metronome number comes with
the source and another is used for actuall playback.
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Au
of the string should be ignored.
> Use a two character string starting with % if necessary, otherwise
> there's no way to put a comment in a tempo field.
my *exemplary* proposal for a separator was not % but %%display or
%display (the second can be ruled out by reason of keeping the sta
cross program file
compatibility.
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key of
the piano keyboard and the related character is displayed in abc, press
the key longer and you get a longer note a 2 or 3 or 4 is added (an
extra menue lets determine the player the strictness of the input)?
hoping for a positive answer
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
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H.,
GBFE!
S.
Ps:God Bless Facsimile Editions!
Simon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Simon Wascher wrote:
>
> > Baerenreiter does indeed own the copyright on the actuall layout, the
> > picture of the print, but never does or did own the musical
&
thanks for all your sugestions, for a start I am happy with "Ich sah
einmal den lichten Morgensterne" :-) .
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Hello,
I look for the "Gloggauer Liederbuch", does anyone know if there is an
internet source for this renaissance song book ?
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to tie it to the L: could have its merits, especially if one
could use an L: field directly bevore the w: field like:
X:1
L:1/4
M:3/4
K:C
abc/a/ | bca |
L:1/2
w:left# right# left#
Just a sugestion.
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
Taral wrote:
> How about a w: character that means "
ink it was a bit faster.
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
> John Chambers wrote:
(...)
> 2. Use a direct midi to abc midi converter. As far as I know midi2abc is
> the only one available although I've heard rumours of others as well.
> abc2midi does a reasonably good job as long
and use just those letters used in archive fields they
could not do any harm. The question then would be if any indexing
application would support it.
I am willing to change the standard if it does no harm to actuall
programs and therefore existing abc files)
regards,
Simon Wascher - Vienna,
obligatory".
I know this melody as from the Paix collection via a hungarian book, it
is vry popular here with drone based instruments.
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
Frank Nordberg wrote:
> (...)
Of course the ungarescha is really a bagpipe piece, so it doesn't
it'll
> be years before there are enough files containing it for it to be
> worthwhile for the Tune Finder to search on it.
We are talking about info that cannot be stored propperly in the moment
anyway. To start something new always takes its time.
I am not an expert but to
Hello,
Jack Campin wrote:
(...) relating to the Tune Finder. The problem is that a typical pair of
alternate
> titles from that collection is:
> T:Appone mulieri super mammas bufonem, ut ablactet eum, et moriatur mulier, sitque
>bufo grossus de lacte
> (...) This might be worth doing for othe
Hello Frank,
Frank Nordberg wrote:
> Simon Wascher wrote:
> > I use a freeware Mac editor called BBEdit Lite, which I use a lot for
> > editing my abc files anyway, for doing this job.
> Oh, I use BBEdit too, but I wasn't aware of that feature since it's
> hid
facilities to specify line terminators and/or can
recognize, accept, replace all kinds and combinations of linebreakes.
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es per minute,
irrespective of the default note length."
It is easy to have an alternative Q:field behind a "%" sign that is
activated just when the "%" is removed, like:
Q:90
%Q:120 %my prefered playback speed
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Jack Campin wrote:
> >Simon Wascher wrote:
> > I would find it much better to write the music voice after voice. It
> > is not really possible to read the four voices in parallel in the abc
> > text anyway
>
> Not unless the source is laid out helpfully, but for
John Chambers wrote:
>
>
Hello,
> Simon Wascher schrieb:
(...)
> | $ Example: P:[Einleitung][1.][1.][2.][2.][1.][Ausgang]
John Chambers wrote:
> Less messy would be to just use either of:
> $ Example: P:Einleitung,1,1,2,2,1,Ausgang
> $ Example: P:Einleit
Hello,
John Chambers wrote:
> Simon Wascher writes:
> | I usually use "#"A or "b"A to show editorial accidentals.
> One thing to beware of here is that in some
> musical circles, an accental above (or below) the note is used to
> mean "just this o
Hello,
Phil Taylor wrote:
> Simon Wascher wrote:
> >I would find it much better to write the
> >music voice after voice. (...)
> I disagree. Writing the abc line by line preserves the original
> music layout in the abc,
Not necessarily, especially not if the original l
marking parts.
If my english is not sufficient please correct me, I hope you can get
the meaning.
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icate to
extract parts for playing.
I still find that programmers should enable voice after voice input. The
way it is here simply mixes up text matters and layout matters (not your
fault).
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erson moves.
To avoid double use there has to be a record of ID's which are in use or
had been used in the past (also this record could contain information
about the author like suporting the actuall URL; this record must be at
a "save place" in the net, available for a long perio
give it up
when they reached its limits, so they glued another extention onto its
edge and another and another. There were hundreds of attempts of
designing a more intelligent and more general notation system, but
practically none survived (do you know the notation system by Josef
Matthias
tool.
Simon
John Chambers wrote:
> Simon Wascher schrieb:
(..)
> | But following the line of things like H, do re mi, etc. isnt'n it the
> | advantage of computers to be able to translate between the differnt
> | languages in no time? Maybe we shold have more than one eye
e eye on
peripheral programms which interprete from language to language via abc
format? Why not having program versions of an abc programms which
includes all these things like an B/H/si substitution. The abc text
itself must not be tangented, but the usability would be more
international.
Simon Wa
an B
and b in "german" abc notation (better to me than _H and h).
Whithin the music body H is interpreted by abc programs as fermata, so
simply accepting H as a substitute for B cannot work that easy.
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
Laurenz Wiskott wrote:
>
> Dear abcusers,
>
/file adress, the
"virtual X:" number and the date and time of creation.
(Barfly 1.30 dislikes text after the X: number, [%if it is not comented
out])
hoping to add something usefull,
Simon Wascher
John Chambers wrote:
(...)
> O'Neill numbered the tunes in his
> books, and t
Hello John,
Thanks a lot! give you a big hug for this quick and good response!
regards
:-) Simon Wascher
John Chambers wrote:
(...)
> However, I can do something simple in the meantime: I just changed
> the way that the tune is converted, which is done by abc2ps. I added
> the
c must also mean
discussion on maintaining the sources.
One first attempt could be to support the original URL and, if given in
the abc tune header, mail adress with every printout and whith every
copying from file to file, but print tends to be passed on to non
netties so a real support of th
ble to specify each symbol longhand as well.
> I don't personally care whether we use ! ! or ` ` or * * or what, but I
> think it would really be handy.
>
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Jon McNamara wrote:
>
>Part 1.1Type: Plain Text (text/plain)
>Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't know how good the ABC is - I can play these in ABCMUS but not in
ABC2WIN - so something is
strange somewhere - if anyone knows what I'm doing wrong - I love to
know! (...)
THe dis
d a .ps
viewer and maybe a .fmt file) or something alike.
If it is just to get the info ino the abc-file use "N:" or "P:" or "W:"
or "w:" or "Guitarchords" or simlpy "%".
I hope this was not to mercyless, I still look foreward to every usefull
addition to the standards.
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s sense for my purpose
because normally there is a finger to every note.
examlpe:
X:1
M:none
L:1/4
K:C
"pos.1"ABcd | "pos.1"efga :|
w:4 3 2 1 4 3 2 1
Simon Wascher
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> Laurie Griffiths said -
>> Muse uses ; to include fingering hints in ABC.
>>
Hello Frank,
This is one of my favorite ballads on Julie Murphys "black Mountais revisited" album,
when I am back home I will see if there is any source given
cu
Simon
>
> Von: Frank Nordberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Datum: 2001/06/20 Wed PM 12:26:10 CEST
> An: abcusers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Bet
Bc|CDEF GABc|CDEF GABc|]
this works with my version of abc2ps (used cm since I have no inch
ruler). I tried your examples wit it and got no result too. ?:-|
CU
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size, thickness, design of flaggs
beams, dots, noteheads, ... aem ... ALL :o)
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the text or layout program you want to use. (on old word 5.1
one cannot change the size of the pict, but the size of the whole page
can be enlarged to coope with those picts.)
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he
basic note allways moves to the tonal center, meaning according to the
K:field.
I do understand nothing about programming so I cannot even get an idea
how complicate it is to implement such a feature but I love to dream.
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Hello John,
It seems that together with the drone (I am hurdy gurdy player), the
beat notes produced by the tempered fifth (and secund) are so strong
that I missjudged the distance between perfect and equaly tempered fifth
since I never worked on the math for tempered scales.
I think the given G
have the advantage to intonate the lower and push
the key up to the higher :-)
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red intonation and to calculate the intonation
outgoing from the tonic center, maybe even when using a twelve key piano
keyboard for input.
Back to abc and traditional music this would for example mean that the
K: signature should influence the intonation.
Simon Wascher - Vienn
ler or larger means to change these notes (their
equation on the keyboard)
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ce between 12 just intonated fifths and the octave between the
other fifths. As I remember, this specific system also includes a
correction for the thirds.
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able to
update my homepage for some month some dance-forms are stil not posted.
> http://www.fff.at/fff/dance/
I know this site, it deals with traditional dance, as far as I know, it
contains no abc files but surely links to sites which contain abc files.
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
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.teleweb.at" to
"members.chello.at" ( by the way what did you post from my stuff ? I
could not recive your mail then and am curious :-) )
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pressive policy by these
archives to prevent such illegal copyrighting.
So: Allways make propper copyright and source notes to any abc you post
and never remove such information from a tune header.
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