Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

2020-01-06 Thread Sean Heskett
I don’t use the book of face so I’m unfamiliar. I think wispa should offer every opportunity for us to communicate and not limit it to just forums. Forums are get for knowledge base/tech support type stuff because you have a threaded searchable archive. But it’s a repository of knowledge, not

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

2020-01-06 Thread Daniel White
Yes it is going away to a forum.  Personally not a fan myself but demand seems to be more for forums than the mailing lists.  Will also make some of the committee work that happens easier so I have been told. Most of the day to day conversation happens on Facebook anymore... was the only

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

2020-01-06 Thread Sean Heskett
Forums suck Glad we have animal farm :) On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 9:03 PM Steve Utick wrote: > From the E-Mail Trina sent out: " In the near future we’ll be launching > additional features of the new system. One of these will be forums that > will be replacing the WISPA Mailing Lists. For

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

2020-01-06 Thread Steve Utick
>From the E-Mail Trina sent out: " In the near future we’ll be launching additional features of the new system. One of these will be forums that will be replacing the WISPA Mailing Lists. For now, we are leaving the Mailing Lists active. When we are close to launching the forums, we’ll let

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

2020-01-06 Thread chuck
I got emails from Trina about their new whizbang forum that will be taking over everything. I thought it also said they will be shutting down the email list. But I may have not read it very carefully. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 7:10 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users

Re: [AFMUG] Puerto Rico Earthquake

2020-01-06 Thread TJ Trout
Hope everything is ok Gino, let us know if we can help in any way? On Mon, Jan 6, 2020, 4:37 PM Sean Heskett wrote: > Gino, > > I hope everyone is ok in PR. Let’s us know if you need help with anything! > > -Sean > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com >

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

2020-01-06 Thread Ken Hohhof
You mean the main members list? Where did you hear it was going away? From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 7:55 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] WISPA email list I thought the WISPA email list was going to be shut off. But just now I got an email.

[AFMUG] WISPA email list

2020-01-06 Thread chuck
I thought the WISPA email list was going to be shut off. But just now I got an email. Like to delete my folder once it is defunct. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Puerto Rico Earthquake

2020-01-06 Thread Sean Heskett
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/article238996843.html On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 5:36 PM Sean Heskett wrote: > Gino, > > I hope everyone is ok in PR. Let’s us know if you need help with anything! > > -Sean > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] Puerto Rico Earthquake

2020-01-06 Thread Sean Heskett
Gino, I hope everyone is ok in PR. Let’s us know if you need help with anything! -Sean -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-06 Thread Andreas Wiatowski
Thanks Forrest! Hopefully we can get a patch in place before then… or an alternative path. Internet. ​Phone. ​TV. Andreas Wiatowski CEO/Founder Silo 1-866-727-4138, ext 600 | andr...@silo.ca silo.ca From: AF on behalf of "Forrest Christian (List Account)" Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave

Re: [AFMUG] OT preserve and protect our precious bodily fluids

2020-01-06 Thread Bill Prince
That looks legit, except that it is from Taiwan. The actual government has different information, as do several legitimate medical organizations. bp On 1/5/2020 3:33 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Sci-hub.tw/10./1750-3841.14847 Damn... but I don’t eat soy so guess this isn’t the problem

Re: [AFMUG] Company Valuation

2020-01-06 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
I agree. I think you have to write up what a buyer "could make" from your network ; not necessarily what you are making. That was done for us a few acquisitions ago to help us "see" what we were buying. Truth be told, we weren't really looking to sell. We were looking for some partners on

Re: [AFMUG] Heights Towers

2020-01-06 Thread Josh Baird
We have 2 or 3 of the Texas Towers freestanding aluminum towers ranging from 60-90ft. Seem to be fine for light loads, although I'm not the one climbing them :) On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 12:21 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I get ads about aluminum towers from these guys on occasion: > >

Re: [AFMUG] Company Valuation

2020-01-06 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
I had hoped you would chime in. Thanks Chuck. - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Members Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Company Valuation If this is the case, I have towers you can come get for

Re: [AFMUG] Company Valuation

2020-01-06 Thread chuck
Yes, and we all probably do it the same way. No point in paying more to the IRS if you can buy some more gear and give some bonuses. But you can point that out in the negotiation. Cash converted to assets and growth of assets and net shareholders equity is something that is not ignored.

Re: [AFMUG] Company Valuation

2020-01-06 Thread Tyson Burris
I disagree. Revenue minus expenses is profit. Finding a WISP who expenses correctly can be difficult. Even I pull my hair out on all the expenses and various ways you can expense items. Profit times X is the selling price. I was just speaking with my wife about this and complaining about

Re: [AFMUG] Heights Towers

2020-01-06 Thread Ken Hohhof
I get ads about aluminum towers from these guys on occasion: http://www.texastowers.com/ From: AF On Behalf Of dave via AF Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 8:36 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: dave Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Heights Towers Just started looking at these for end users to have at

Re: [AFMUG] Company Valuation

2020-01-06 Thread Chuck Hogg
If this is the case, I have towers you can come get for free ;) Seriously. You just need the crane and everything to come get them. By the time you take it down, it's worth less than a new one and the cost of taking it down would be more than the value of what it's worth IMHO. I know of a large

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-06 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Update: Over the weekend our GNSS module supplier confirmed that simulation shows that this problem was definitely caused by the GLONASS rollover. If you have a receiver with these issues still happening a power cycle should fix it until the end of 2023. Some additional rollover testing is

Re: [AFMUG] Company Valuation

2020-01-06 Thread Steve Jones
some WISP needs to go on shark tank, just to see what they say On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 11:08 AM CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: > > Good discussion. I'll have to play with some numbers > > > - Original Message - > *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Sent:*

Re: [AFMUG] Company Valuation

2020-01-06 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Good discussion. I'll have to play with some numbers - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Company Valuation Revenue has no bearing on value. Say you have $1 billion in

Re: [AFMUG] Heights Towers

2020-01-06 Thread Mathew Howard
I'm really wondering why you would ever want an aluminum tower (other than COW type stuff, where weight is important). Seems to me that you're almost always going to be better off with a light duty steel tower. I can't imaging those things are cheaper than those cheap sheet metal things... On

Re: [AFMUG] OT preserve and protect our precious bodily fluids

2020-01-06 Thread Jaime Solorza
lol Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 5:08 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Huh? Is this the impossible-whopper-gives-you-manboobs story? > > Spanish speaking people love soy, they are always saying things like yo no > soy marinero, soy capitan. > > >

[AFMUG] Interesting product

2020-01-06 Thread Jaime Solorza
https://rajant.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Rajant_SpecSheet_LX5.pdf Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Heights Towers

2020-01-06 Thread chuck
Aluminum costs more than steel from the standpoint of a fabricator. Being more expensive and weaker, not sure where aluminum towers have a place in the world other than COWs and things like that. From: dave via AF Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 7:35 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: dave Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] Company Valuation

2020-01-06 Thread chuck
Revenue has no bearing on value. Say you have $1 billion in revenue but are spending $2 billion to provide the service thus requiring an additional billion from investors each year. What is the value of that company? Think Movie Pass. Think Uber. Lots of public companies run at a loss

Re: [AFMUG] Company Valuation

2020-01-06 Thread Brian Webster
That all depends on the underlying ground lease. If there are terms associated with the lease then they can be considered a liability even after you take the tower down. One could also consider the tower a possible a possible commercial real estate venture if it's has any other tenants and/or if

Re: [AFMUG] Heights Towers

2020-01-06 Thread dave via AF
ALSO because PHYSICS LOL! On 1/6/20 8:32 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: .because it's light, not because it's strong. Aluminum flexes.  Structural steel has bounce too, but aluminum a lot more so.  It'll flex enough that climbers will comment on how much it moves.  Presumably it's safe if you

Re: [AFMUG] Heights Towers

2020-01-06 Thread dave via AF
Just started looking at these for end users to have at their home to even get service or improve on what they have. Single dish or radio perfect for a max of 80' if needed. For the most part we see around 40 and 50' for LOS in my part of the woods. On 1/3/20 1:29 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Has

Re: [AFMUG] Heights Towers

2020-01-06 Thread John Osmon
Nothing wrong with aluminum if used correctly, but it has a very small "endurance strength." Steel and other materials enjoy a load limit under which they will not fail under repeated loading cycles -- Aluminum does not. Aluminum will *always* eventually fail. Good background:

Re: [AFMUG] OT preserve and protect our precious bodily fluids

2020-01-06 Thread chuck
The man boob thing came from a guy that drank something like a gallon of soy milk for a year. Once the problem was identified he quit drinking the soy milk and the boobs went away. The interwebs are connecting that story to this story. But at the bottom of that abstract, they equate a soy

Re: [AFMUG] Company Valuation

2020-01-06 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
guess i am amazed by these responses but this is why i asked. i argued the towers can be taken down and the steel sold and they can be converted to cash, therefore, they have more value. maybe not - Original Message - From: Jesse DuPont To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users

Re: [AFMUG] Company Valuation

2020-01-06 Thread Jesse DuPont
My 1.7 cents worth - perhaps even less - of an opinion is "maybe," but generally, no. The amount of cash you'd get out of taking down the towers doesn't seem to be anywhere near their replacement value by the time you take into account deconstruction in a reusable way.

Re: [AFMUG] Company Valuation

2020-01-06 Thread Lewis Bergman
No. I would say it is worth exactly the same to whomever buys it. I would guess you have some sort of payment arrangement with the land owner unless the towers have easements that have no payments required and that looks exactly like a tower lease payment on a P Some buyers don't want to own the

[AFMUG] Company Valuation

2020-01-06 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Lets say for easy math purposes you bill approximately 1.5 million annually. I've heard 1.5 times annual revenue thrown around for a valuation purpose. There is a lot more to this figure but it's a place to start. So, if your company billed 1.5 million, you'd say your valuation was around

Re: [AFMUG] Heights Towers

2020-01-06 Thread Adam Moffett
Yeah.  I also suspect that those get inspected for loose bolts a lot more frequently than most towers do..just sayin.  You do you, bro. On 1/6/2020 9:35 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Agreed. Have you watched an aircraft wing flex? On Jan 6, 2020, at 9:32 AM, Adam Moffett

Re: [AFMUG] Heights Towers

2020-01-06 Thread Matt Hoppes
Agreed. Have you watched an aircraft wing flex? > On Jan 6, 2020, at 9:32 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > .because it's light, not because it's strong. > > Aluminum flexes. Structural steel has bounce too, but aluminum a lot more > so. It'll flex enough that climbers will comment on how

Re: [AFMUG] Heights Towers

2020-01-06 Thread Adam Moffett
.because it's light, not because it's strong. Aluminum flexes.  Structural steel has bounce too, but aluminum a lot more so.  It'll flex enough that climbers will comment on how much it moves.  Presumably it's safe if you stay within the load it's rated for, but the next scary thing is

Re: [AFMUG] Heights Towers

2020-01-06 Thread Matt Hoppes
Do you fly in aircraft? They are made of aluminum. > On Jan 6, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > Aluminum...no thanks. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:30 PM Matt Hoppes >>

Re: [AFMUG] Ipv4

2020-01-06 Thread Josh Luthman
Big company has no idea and it's just policy that's been approved I expect. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 11:36 PM John Osmon wrote: > On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 07:24:06PM -0500, Matt Hoppes wrote: > > I

Re: [AFMUG] Heights Towers

2020-01-06 Thread Josh Luthman
Aluminum...no thanks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:30 PM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > Has anyone heard of this company before? > > http://www.heightstowers.com/home.html > >

Re: [AFMUG] OT preserve and protect our precious bodily fluids

2020-01-06 Thread Adam Moffett
If you look at the scale on the graph.  It's well beyond "on par".   In sheer quantity the estrogen supplement fits within the margin of error on the soy burger. but it's plant estrogen, not human estrogen.  The effect on a human is not the same.  The effect on humans is also not

Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

2020-01-06 Thread Christopher Tyler
I can answer that question. Don't do it. Grey market gear will end up costing you almost as much as getting it used (possibly new) from a dealer. And the hoops you have to jump through to get software updates on grey market is obscene. You have pay several thousand to get it re-certified by