Re: [AFMUG] freznel impact calculator

2020-02-28 Thread Ken Hohhof
I know empirically the big wind turbine blades affect 5 GHz PMP links in cases where I could think they are well outside first Fresnel zone. It can be pretty dramatic listening to the Cambium alignment tone (we typically use a little amplified speaker so even the person on the ground can hear

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-28 Thread Steve Jones
I watch that one and this one from Johns hopkins: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 the biggest issue is people are comparing china with everywhere else. they had an unchecked outbreak thye thought they could contain without much

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-28 Thread David Williamson
Why in the world would any WISP owner invest in stocks? Much higher ROI investing into the expansion of your own WISP. SMH. David Williamson From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 5:59 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Re: [AFMUG] freznel impact calculator

2020-02-28 Thread Eric Nielsen
Yeah, the process is completely outside of the standard interference analysis database. I don’t recall the tools they use, but it performs a 3D analysis and calculates the fresnel clearances when plotting the turbines, factoring the hub height and blade length. Pretty cool stuff. On Fri, Feb 28,

Re: [AFMUG] freznel impact calculator

2020-02-28 Thread Steve Jones
Im reaching out to them, they did a path study for a similar thing on one of our links, it was not on our dime for that link, so maybe we didnt get a full dataset and report back, we just got a yes/no on impact, but not enough detail to make a risk assessment. They told me they have access to the

Re: [AFMUG] freznel impact calculator

2020-02-28 Thread Eric Nielsen
Comsearch does something called a “reverse geoplanner”. If you provide them with the turbine locations and the path details they’ll tell you the risk of fresnel obstruction. They’re equipped to do this because they perform the microwave studies for wind farms. On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:43 PM

Re: [AFMUG] equipment lease/purchase companies

2020-02-28 Thread Ryan McAfee
clueless on equipment, so you have to go find a broker > >> (who takes a cut) who shops it to an out-of-state non-retail bank. > >> --= -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/private/af_af.afmug.com/

[AFMUG] freznel impact calculator

2020-02-28 Thread Steve Jones
I have a 3 link path i need to turn up in 11ghz. we drove the path yesterday. 2 legs are golden. one however is problematic, ive got two wind turbines that are in or just outside the fresnel. If it were one, id probably be inclined to risk the impact if there was just one turbine, but two is iffy

Re: [AFMUG] equipment lease/purchase companies

2020-02-28 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
I'd consider checking in with Live Oak bank. Don't know what their rates are, but they have a program oriented specifically toward our industry. On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:36 PM Dev wrote: > We had a company quote us 7%, but our math came out to 12%, they disagreed > no matter what we said.

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-28 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm on. The answer always turns out to be no. It's amazing that somewhere else hasn't figured

Re: [AFMUG] equipment lease/purchase companies

2020-02-28 Thread Dev
We had a company quote us 7%, but our math came out to 12%, they disagreed no matter what we said. Aren’t they required to disclose the real rates? IIRC Ritalia was around 12% or so, so expensive money. I wish our credit union could be bothered to consider it, but they have a fresh stack of

Re: [AFMUG] equipment lease/purchase companies

2020-02-28 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
And don't fall for the 'lease rate' crap the leasing companies push. Let's say you get a 5-year lease on a 100K piece of equipment. The leasing company will quote you a leasing rate of something like 2.5%, with a payment of $2500/month, with a dollar buyout. The naive assumption is that 2.5% is

Re: [AFMUG] Sali Lake City steak place

2020-02-28 Thread Bill Prince
Knives Chuck. Knives. bp On 2/28/2020 3:57 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Moochies meat balls are simply too large to work on a sandwich.   

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-28 Thread Lewis Bergman
Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply chain they have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the infrastructure, much less the slip set to do it I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing it is years away. On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-28 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
I've got a chunk of change I was going to move into the stock market earlier this year, but then realized that it was an election year, and that things were going to be volatile, so I left it in the high yield (2%ish) savings. Figured that the risk was high enough this year that I should wait.

Re: [AFMUG] Sali Lake City steak place

2020-02-28 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
You obviously need to either get a bigger mouth, or work on your meatball sub handling skills ;) But yeah, they are a bit larger than one would expect, and probably larger than what should go on a sub. I tend to lean toward their cheesesteaks, which is why I recommend the downtown location

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-28 Thread Ken Hohhof
I thought Black Monday in October 1987 was a buying opportunity. What a mistake that was! I eventually got back even, but I think it took a couple years. You never know the peak or the bottom until after the fact. Oh, and I see Boeing keeps going down. From: AF On Behalf Of

Re: [AFMUG] Sali Lake City steak place

2020-02-28 Thread chuck
Moochies meat balls are simply too large to work on a sandwich. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 4:52 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sali Lake City steak place I have a whole list of places we like to go to in the salt lake

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-28 Thread Steve Jones
kungflu was the catalyst companies have been waiting for. having all eggs in one basket failed. the speed at which many production contracts come to fruition will show that theyve been in negotiations for a long time. It will add tremendous stability to the markets On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:54 PM

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-28 Thread Bill Prince
Google has already begun moving production of their next-gen pixel phones to Vietnam. I don't believe they're the only ones. bp On 2/28/2020 3:48 PM, Steve Jones wrote: I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major

Re: [AFMUG] Sali Lake City steak place

2020-02-28 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
I have a whole list of places we like to go to in the salt lake area, but neither Rodizio or any steak place is on it. The ones which come to mind are: Pie Pizza (any Location, although the one near the university is my favorite) Moochies - Beefsteak sandwiches, meatball subs (the downtown

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-28 Thread Steve Jones
I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major companies will announce contracts to move production to another country, like within the next two weeks. Many other will follow suit, diversity in production is probably going to decimate the chinese economy. I expect an unrelated announcement

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-28 Thread chuck
I should have moved it, but I will take the roller coaster ride. And it was up so high too From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 3:58 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool Let it keep going down! I moved everything to Money

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-28 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
#metoo ! - Original Message - From: Darin Steffl To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool I just wanna know when we hit rock bottom so I can buy as much up as possible :) On Fri, Feb

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-28 Thread Matt Hoppes
Let it keep going down! I moved everything to Money Market Monday. Once it bottoms out I’ll stick it back in stocks. > On Feb 28, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Darin Steffl wrote: > > I just wanna know when we hit rock bottom so I can buy as much up as possible > :) > >> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 4:38 PM

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-28 Thread Darin Steffl
I just wanna know when we hit rock bottom so I can buy as much up as possible :) On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 4:38 PM wrote: > How long before the stock market recovers. Stats would suggest 4 months. > But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the sky is falling > thing, I am sure that will

Re: [AFMUG] micro-pop on power pole

2020-02-28 Thread dmmoffett
Seen it done with and without permission.In some places it's easier to set your own pole. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: ch...@wbmfg.com Date: 2/28/20 5:19 PM (GMT-05:00) To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

[AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-28 Thread chuck
How long before the stock market recovers. Stats would suggest 4 months. But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the sky is falling thing, I am sure that will extend this correction. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] micro-pop on power pole

2020-02-28 Thread chuck
Cell companies do it all the time. There is some federal regs that force the highway ROW people to let you set a pole or get on someone’s pole in the ROW. From: Dev Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 2:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] micro-pop on power pole I

Re: [AFMUG] equipment lease/purchase companies

2020-02-28 Thread can...@believewireless.net
Ritalia has horrible rates. Other companies are better. Your bank is probably the best. On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > +1 on Ritalia! > > Also done well with Summit and LCA. > > Jeff Broadwick > CTIconnect > 312-205-2519 Office > 574-220-7826 Cell >

Re: [AFMUG] micro-pop on power pole

2020-02-28 Thread Dev
I saw this in southern Washington, but I don’t know who’s it is but I think the pole owner is a co-op. > On Feb 28, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Graham McIntire wrote: > > Has anyone deployed wireless equipment on a power company pole? I'm > just talking about something small in the communications

Re: [AFMUG] micro-pop on power pole

2020-02-28 Thread Jason McKemie
I've done it a couple of times, they usually set a drop pole and have me put my equipment on that, however. No active wireless equipment on the main runs. On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 2:56 PM Graham McIntire wrote: > Has anyone deployed wireless equipment on a power company pole? I'm > just talking

Re: [AFMUG] equipment lease/purchase companies

2020-02-28 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
+1 on Ritalia! Also done well with Summit and LCA. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Feb 28, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Graham McIntire wrote: > > We did a lease/finance through Ritalia and had great luck with them. I > can't say we had a

[AFMUG] micro-pop on power pole

2020-02-28 Thread Graham McIntire
Has anyone deployed wireless equipment on a power company pole? I'm just talking about something small in the communications attachment space, small AP and backhaul. Graham McIntire Verona Networks President/Owner -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] equipment lease/purchase companies

2020-02-28 Thread Graham McIntire
We did a lease/finance through Ritalia and had great luck with them. I can't say we had a great rate (I don't remember what it was,) but they were easy to deal with and worked out well. Graham McIntire Verona Networks President/Owner On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 2:40 PM wrote: > > I have had a

Re: [AFMUG] equipment lease/purchase companies

2020-02-28 Thread chuck
I have had a pretty good experience with John Deere on both rent to own and lease on a couple of mini excavators. Just ask the dealer for dealer financing. -Original Message- From: Dev Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 11:32 AM To: AF@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] equipment

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-28 Thread Ken Hohhof
Oh, wait, now I see what you guys are referring to. Well, that’s not optimal. From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 9:31 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE It was brought to my attention over 6 months ago, but I decided

Re: [AFMUG] equipment lease/purchase companies

2020-02-28 Thread Ken Hohhof
Another approach would be a line of credit, which again, they don’t care what you buy. Once upon a time those were easy to get, and they are usually indexed to prime rate. But the days when your local bank would go into the vault and bring out a wheelbarrow full of money and ask are you sure

Re: [AFMUG] equipment lease/purchase companies

2020-02-28 Thread Josh Luthman
Wouldn't a lease from them for a machine be like 10% though? That's awfully expensive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 2:23 PM Erich Kaiser wrote: > We use Lease Corporation of America for all of our

Re: [AFMUG] equipment lease/purchase companies

2020-02-28 Thread Erich Kaiser
We use Lease Corporation of America for all of our leases, they don't care what you buy. Erich Kaiser On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 12:33 PM Dev wrote: > Has anyone had a good experience with equipment lease/purchase/finance > companies for things like mini-ex, directional bore, etc? Our local

[AFMUG] equipment lease/purchase companies

2020-02-28 Thread Dev
Has anyone had a good experience with equipment lease/purchase/finance companies for things like mini-ex, directional bore, etc? Our local banks are totally clueless on equipment, so you have to go find a broker (who takes a cut) who shops it to an out-of-state non-retail bank. -- AF mailing

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-28 Thread Mike Hammett
It was brought to my attention over 6 months ago, but I decided it was in everyone's best interest if I didn't spread it. Within the past month, it got spread on the FB groups. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-28 Thread Mathew Howard
I don't think it ever came up on this list... I had no idea about it either until a week or so ago. On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:14 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > Holy crap, I must be way out of the loop, but I never saw anything on this > list about "bleary's"

Re: [AFMUG] Sali Lake City steak place

2020-02-28 Thread Jaime Solorza
Not sure ..he works for Raytheon and half of the time we don't know where he is at and won't tell. Hush hush double secret probation stuff On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 7:06 AM wrote: > Spencers. I am not a huge fan of Rodizeo. > What is the event he is attending? > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:*

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-28 Thread Ken Hohhof
When someone is billed as a “thought leader” you probably know what you’re getting, the good and the bad of it. From: AF On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 11:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE Holy crap, I must be way

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE

2020-02-28 Thread dave
Unlike 5Ghz the 3Ghz band has a slightly less chance of surface reflection which helps tremendously with propagation thru folage and the such much like 2.4 but 2.4 has a lower eirp and can be absorbed by foliage more easily. This is why u see 5Ghz being used by radar because it has a much better

Re: [AFMUG] Sali Lake City steak place

2020-02-28 Thread chuck
Spencers. I am not a huge fan of Rodizeo. What is the event he is attending? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 6:28 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sali Lake City steak place Yep . thanks I found it but I think they are going to Spencers On

Re: [AFMUG] Sali Lake City steak place

2020-02-28 Thread chuck
Hmmm, not ringing a bell. Red Iguana is my #1 fav. Ruth’s Chris is always good but terribly expensive. Texas Roadhouse is popular. I am not a steak guy. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:50 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown Subject: Sali Lake

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE

2020-02-28 Thread dave
We may see a few points I suspect but the result should be same or very close as we see on any of our pre cbrs units. Here is one thats about a mile thru some tree. This area I am giving results is not in any way flat. It has Hills cliffs lakes and many types of tree. I am still onboarding our